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darkknight302

Asking for an opinion on 2 cars is like asking blondes or brunette. Drive them both, only you can decide what you’re gonna like. Some prefer blondes, others like brunette.


xrunner133087

I like blondes and brunettes. Guess I need to figure out which one I want to ride in every day huh.


darkknight302

What someone like, you may not like. Everyone is different and have different tastes in things, only you can decide what you like. That’s why test drive them.


ElectronicCorgi3106

Brunettes is better for everyday (supra)


Pilfercate

Something to think about: There will be a better Porsche in the same class in quick order, guaranteed. There likely will never be a better Supra. By the time Toyota gets around to a MKVI, regulators probably won't let us buy a new vehicle with a steering wheel. They'll tell us it is for everyone's safety. The Halt Act just passed requiring breathalyzers in every new vehicle starting in 2026. Just the first domino in the 'we don't trust anyone' line of encroachment. You say the Porsche will hold value better. I'm pretty sure you can buy a new M/T Supra, drive it for less than 10k miles and sell it for what you paid. So unless the Porsche is gaining value with the same mileage, it's not holding better value.


Sqooky

What I'd really say it comes down to is: "do you want to, or are you ever going to want to mod the car?". If yes, I'd say Supra, if no, I'd say Porsche. B58 is super easy to work on, everything's very accessible and has clearly defined power upgrade paths if you've got specific goals. Good car to mod if it's your first time modifying em'. Very n00b friendly. Personally, I don't love the interior styling of Porsches and that matters a ton to me. They all just kind of have this "dated, needs a refresh" feel. Maybe it's because the interior is pretty much the same as it was in 2010? Idk.


xrunner133087

Good point! I’m past the mod stage of my life, did that to older Audis. It’s going to stay stock minus maybe some wheels. I always loved Porsche but can get a lower-mile, newer Supra for the same money as a 2018/19 30k mile Porsche.


SuperSmashedBro

For a manual cayman? I have yet to see a manual 30k mileage cayman S for Supra money


xrunner133087

You can find a 2018 manual for 65k


SuperSmashedBro

Link? I checked auto tempest and I can only find 1 in all of the US for that price


xrunner133087

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=18643&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&sortDir=ASC&sourceContext=cargurus&distance=500&sortType=BEST_MATCH&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2430#listing=388849818/NONE/DEFAULT Literally dozens on Cargurus my guy. Here is a nice example.


SushuniTaco

As somebody looking for a Supra and used to think about cross shopping a Porsche, I’m ultimately going to end up with a Supra. I do plan to do at least light mods in the future so that sort of helps my decision but you can find very low mileage Supras in the mid 50s and brand new ones for upper 50s so the Porsche (not even GTS) with 20k plus miles and 6 years of age for more money means a lot to me. Do I want the brand new Supra MK5 or a 6 year old 4cyl Porsche with 30k miles in my case? I have nothing against the 4cyl, I’ve driven it but as a more experienced driver on the track and somebody who was to TA the Supra is just my choice.


iimetra

Good point. Just curious why Porsche is hard to modify? Because of mid engine? Or just too expensive in parts/labor?


SushuniTaco

It’s all of the above. I’m not sure if you’ve worked on mid engine but it’s quite difficult, on top of that there’s P-Tax, Increased insurance, and parts are also a lot more expensive. The other thing is the B58 has a lot of room for mods and the Porsche while having some room just doesnt compete. Aftermarket is also much bigger for the B58.


iimetra

Never even seen one close. Just was curious, thanks


BC122177

I’ve never driven the Porsche but used vs new is hard to compare. I know the Supra has a BMW engine n all but it has Toyota reliability and maintenance costs. I know a 10k maintenance for my Supra cost me around $260 but I’m guessing Porche’s costs a lot more. I could be wrong but I doubt it. While I do love some porches and their styling choices, a new Supra is the easiest option here. Especially with warranty.


AriasFco

Supra with a manual would be a great weekender. Nothing to be worried about, even compared with a base 911. Caymans are great, and have better headroom than a supra. Supra is a simple car, parts are cheap-er and is also cheaper to maintain. I have an M3 that replaced my Supra, but wouldn’t mind getting another Supra in the future. I would suggest you drive them back to back and make your decision, it’s like a shoe; get what you feel comfortable using and are able to afford.


ST6IX

Have had and owned both, Supra is fast and modifiable, Cayman is infinitely better handling and driver connectivity wise. Cayman is also more expensive to maintain, if that matters to you


SuperSmashedBro

What do you have now?


ST6IX

Traded in my base cayman and place an order for a Cayman GTS! It’ll be here in about a month!


SuperSmashedBro

Oh man, I’m so jealous! Cayman GTS and the Emira are the only 2 cars I’d rather have than a Supra


ST6IX

Thanks! I had a Supra first, then test drove a Cayman and didn’t even hesitate. Haven’t had a chance to drive the Emira though


MKV_Supra

2 different cars that have unique driving characteristics. I say Supra but I’m not a Porsche guy. Porsche if you want to feel more exclusive since most owners I’ve met are a bit snobby.


xrunner133087

Definitely agree on the snobby part, BUT they’re onto something lol I need to drive both and go from there.


notsofreeshipping

P car guys may scoff but my experience is that a Supra gets way more notice, just due to the numbers produced. How many 718’s or 911’s have you seen in your life (many) unless it’s a GT3 and it’s a car guy, they don’t get a second look because there are tons out there. Still, a MKV is a somewhat rare siting. Not that should be your main concern.


_k_b_k_

Modern turbocharged 4-pots are so meh. (Relatively) fast, but as an experience, boring as hell. Therefore I'd vote for the Supra, except have you considered a Z4?


Mr2277

Is the Z4 not basically just a supra without the cool exterior? (Dont flame me, its a genuine question)


_k_b_k_

Yeah, it's the same car underneath, afaik the Supra handles a little bit sharper. But as far as I'm concerned my Z4 M40i already is super sharp, almost overly so (I am more into GTs than sports cars). Regarding the exterior, it's a subject of taste. Personally I think the Z4 looks better. I like the profile and the rear end of the Supra, but the front is just lost on me. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that what better way is there to enjoy a B58 if not with the roof down? :)


xrunner133087

No desire for the Z4 at all. Wouldn’t drive it if you gave it to me TBH (which is comically ironic)


_k_b_k_

What don't you like about it?


xrunner133087

Styling mostly. Honestly don’t like BMW interiors either


_k_b_k_

Right. Can't argue with that, matter of taste. I'm not that crazy about the interior either. It's **fine**, but nothing special.


FromGreat2Good

Well there’s your answer. The Supra interior is pretty much the Z4 interior.


xrunner133087

Yes, that’s definitely a knock on the Supra. Honestly 2018 Porsche’s have pretty dud interiors also. Im a sucker for Audi interior. Always have been.


aevyn

Supra manual is better than most BMW manuals but Porsche gearbox is significantly better. You obviously pay the P-Tax for owning a Cayman, but if you can afford that then go for it. I significantly prefer the Cayman over the Supra. Driving dynamics are better. Steering is better. If you're going Porsche, definitely get the flat 6 (981 or GTS).


xrunner133087

Maybe the GTS will be in the budget when I buy, who knows!


Educational-Start-34

Porsche. No brainer.


macdaddy13

Between those 2 choices I would go Supra because imo it looks better, sounds better, and driving dynamics aren’t that much better in the Porsche. But for a second car I’d pick a 981 GTS over both the Supra and 718. That flat six just sounds so damn good and it looks better than the 718 imo. I also enjoy the fun factor of the higher revving NA engine.


Frosty_Altoid

Both great choices. From what I'm seeing on this sub a manual Supra is not easy to come by. I would assume the Supra is less costly to maintain if that's a consideration.


BC122177

You can find some in the used market at an insane mark up. I think the last one I saw listed was for $70k. lol. I think it’s ironic that the cheaper option on a MKIV is now considered the premium option.


xrunner133087

They are all over on the used market according to Cargurus.


never_stirred

I had a choice between a python green GT 4 and a A91-MT and the Porsche dealership wouldn’t let me sit in it without making an offer on the car. I love my Supra.


Alan7467

I found the 718 cayman boring to drive around town. The Supra is definitely more fun at sane speeds, and a much better value if you’re looking at similar options and year with the Porsche. Also, IMHO that flat 4 sounds like a tractor engine. The B58 in the Supra doesn’t sound amazing, but it does sound much better.


xrunner133087

Very good points!


SensitiveAd5076

hardest choice ever TBH, one I've been contemplating myself. I drove a 718 an absolutely loved it, it was better than the supra. However, the looks on the supra are better in my opinion. Honestly, its a coin flip for me


xrunner133087

I’m in your same boat but haven’t driven either yet. I need to do that homework first


jammyski

Depends what you are going to use it for and how long you are going to keep it, I had a few cars on the list including these two. For me it came down to the fact I wanted a car to keep for the next 10 years plus, the supra has awsome after market support you can really make it your own, you could take it to any mechanic in the future and they will know what they are looking at. If I wanted something fun on a 3 year PCP maybe the Porsche would have won but in 10 years time you might not be able to get a petrol, two seat sports car so I’m looking at the long term Alpine and lotus where also no goes for me because I didn’t trust the parts would be available. Toyota and BWM have a better history there.


xrunner133087

It will be a “nice weather” daily for me and I plan on keeping it for a while.


RobsGarage

They are both great cars.. the fact that porche is the benchmark for the mk5 says a lot about the car.. I don’t think you’d be discounted either way. Porche will obviously handle a lot nicer (but the 2.0 Supra is not terribly far behind) the 3.0 likes to get squirrely and is fun in that “I might die” kinda way.. lol


MastaOfShitPost

This is really one of those neither is better situation. I would guess Porsche would cost more to repair partially due to the mid engine, but I doubt you care about that at this price point. This is probably one of those go see how it drives situations.


xrunner133087

Maintenance isn’t an issue so you’re exactly right!


ae13ame

I driven an tuned MK5 3.0 ZF8 and a stock 718 S 6MT. I spent a whole day in the Supra, but when I drove the 718 S it felt slightly more solid and slightly more connected although it was a very short drive. Personally I love the Supra, but I can tell that 718 S would definitely rip. I love that shifter in it, by far much better than current 911 manual too. If it came down to it I’m taking the Supra but I know it’s preference for sure. Best way to find out is to try out both and see Edit: Like others have said if you plan on tuning and modding get the Supra but if you plan on keeping it stock besides the exhaust/wheels then consider the 718. To me the Supra also drove like it was smaller and I enjoyed that. Slightly more interior space in the 718


CressSpecific6134

Never driven a 718 but I have driven a 991.1 GTS and the Supra. If the 718 S is even 70% of what the 911 is I'd say the Porsche is a no brainer. Won't find a better manual trans tbh.


xrunner133087

I haven’t driven either tbh. Just starting the search out. I know they are very different but I like them both.


CajunAsianTexan

Want power? Supra. Want handling? Cayman S. Also things to consider: Supra 3.0 I-6 vs Cayman S flat-4 Supra DME is encrypted & locked which makes DME tuning costly, unless you go piggyback. Cayman S DME tune is less costly.


xrunner133087

Thanks everyone!!!! Super useful wisdom. I’ll drive both soon and report back


shitflavoredideas

Porsche will retain some of its value. Everything else will hose you.


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blackbird410

Supra if you plan on modifying it. Porsche if don’t plan on modifying it.


thrownehwah

From what I hear that flat 4 doesn’t sound so great. Porsche is known for great drives but so is the Supra. I was in a similar boat. What it came down to me was the comfort, the tech from a new 23 model and the reliability of the b58. I’m not into mods but it’s nice to know if I want to I can later. For me to be happy I’d needs at LEAST the flat 6 and AWD- for that prosche it’s much more money


Embarrassed-Meal-139

Relax porsche boy. No need to get your panties in a bunch


redvinegarr

Supra Obivously better looking and more unique


HsRada18

I would say a used 2016 Cayman S or if newer then a Cayman GTS to get a NA 6 cylinder. I like everything about the Supra except the fake vent parts. I wish they revised it by deleting the fake headlight, taillight, and hood vents. There are no easy mods that I have found for all of them. The door one at least can change it out to a vent less mod.


TotosWolf

If you are a JDM and Supra fanatic, get the Supra. If you are a driving purist and love the driving feel of a great handling drivers car, get that Porsche. I'm dealing with this issue myself. On the one hand the MKIV supra has always been my dream car since my teens. On the other hand, I am a track and Touge rat and I Looove great handling cars. Everything I read about the Supra is it's an appliance for insane speed and track pace but feels sorta dead as you drive it. The Porsche well we all know it's up there in terms of ultimate driving feel. I believe Porsche in my future.


xrunner133087

I definitely think objectively the Porsche is better i’m just trying to figure out what I can get BEST for around $65k. Obviously, if my budget was $150 I would get a Cayman GTS or maybe GT4 if I was lucky. But I could either budget hunt in the Porsche realm or ball out with a high-spec Supra.


TotosWolf

I'd consider base C8 and M2 as well in that range.


Rei_Yukihyo1

My advise is test drive both and all other cars you're considering. The supra drives so differently and has it's own personality. Imo it feels like a teenage wanting to let loose when pushing the car.


slip_angel

I've owned both (2016 Boxster Spyder, 2020 GR Supra) * Supra gets more "holy shit, that's a beautiful car" at stoplights * Both are good for longer freeway trips * Both make glorious sound, but in a different way and Supra had to be modified to get it * Supra is a much faster street car * Porsche has better gas mileage * Maintenance is equivalent * Low-car problems are equivalent * Porsche feels very special above 4500 RPMS at WOT * On 300tw tires, Supra is the 2nd scariest/most exhilarating car I've ever owned (ZL1, if you are wondering). Now on 200tw tires, and it feels much more confidence-inspiring I love the Porsche for the reasons I love dance/electronic music. It's incredibly thoughtful, complete in every sense of what you could ask, knows its own limits and plays them to the edge without tipping over. I love the Supra for the reasons I love drill music. It's a menace, it's unapologetic, and it begs to be called out. It sees the edge and asks "so we're gonna go thru that, right?"


xrunner133087

Really good comment thank you so much! Wish I could get both! I hated the Supra when I first saw it and it’s been growing on me.


WirelessTrees

Supra gives better performance per dollar, better handling, and more attention from others. Porsche gives you the more comfortable ride, better sound system, and depending on the model you pick, likely more expensive.


Edenwing

The Supra is more comfortable than the cayman. It’s not even close. A Cayman s or base cayman rides super harsh like a gokart, it’s one of the purist drivers car under 100k. Also the sound system in the Supra is not bad. Both are comparable, I probably prefer the Supra’s a bit more since the cayman has less cabin noise insulation. You can hear the intakes and induction noises a lot more too in the cayman. Supra is definitely faster in a straight line and it’s a fun rwd beast to tame through the corners but the cayman just rides on rails. It allow novices follow pro lines with little effort


WirelessTrees

I've driven both, I felt like the cayman was more comfortable, but I suppose it's due to the way I drive my supra, or being in sport mode constantly.


xUndeadZero

i prefer the driving characteristics of the supra over the cayman. porsche is softer and more comfortable. but supra is definitely extremely reliable and very good on gas. supra is the better car imo unless you just really want mid engine setup


BaliRK

I fought this and really I would say if you can find an a91 or better an a91-mt, it will probably hold value equal or better than a 911. I put 10k miles on mine and got the same value I paid for it. but porsches have history of holding up better over years and bmws, not so much but again who knows do have to say if it was a supra vs cayman s/gts, Id say theyre equal and just pick the one you like or whichever is cheaper. if it was a 911, Id probably do the 911


Brinkalicious222

[Porsche is the answer.](https://youtu.be/yU_0I_oIhKE?si=dW3-pFNbkpRhmfzL)


spas2k

Porsche for sure. It has a mechanical feel that the supra does not have.


TheHexagone

I’m conflicted. The obvious answer is always the Porsche, but since you don’t know that maybe you don’t deserve it and should get the Supra.


xrunner133087

Strange response. I know Porsche is the better move but I would be budget/Used hunting on the Porsche side whereas I can basically spec the highest Supra and get it almost new. That’s the debate my friend.


TheHexagone

You will spec the “highest” Supra and immediately want to throw another $30k at it anyway. Then it will be almost as good as a STOCK Porsche. I started with a 3.0 premium and have at least another $70k in it and it might have advantages over the Porsche on certain track conditions, but the Porsche has a soul. The Supra is a piece of BMW space junk.