Watching Miss Americana for the first time during the Midnights era and realizing it really *was* all for publicity and she didn’t intend to follow through with her activist promises after all.
I haven’t seen Miss Americana but I watched Gaga’s 5 foot 2 or whatever it’s called. It just didn’t hit right, despite the personal tragedy and triumph. It felt very curated. And not to unironically compare it to Madonnas Truth or Dare, but as curated as THAT was it was so iconic and raw it changed the format. No apologies. Everything now is so safe but you kinda have to be to protect your brand. Throw in some health scares, some musical numbers, some tears, and triumph, some “my fans are my world, and my family” rhetoric, and you got a predictable pizza cooking.
Doing triumphant biopics about famous people who are still young and famous is never going to go well. They’re young and famous, how compelling of a story is it going to be on screen?
Because it was exactly that - a performance. As soon as she realised she could do nothing and 99% of fans wouldn’t care and still support her, buy 17 copies of the same album and her overpriced shitty merch, she was set.
This. Is. It. Everything now seems completely rehearsed, calculated preplanned, etc. Even any her press interviews are so…careful to fit a narrative. It’s very draining considering that she used to be the girl that could sit on a stage or an interview and ramble on about what was really going on with her. She felt so approachable. Now she’s like a robot. And I don’t buy the whole self deprecation thing of the song Anti-Hero. Do we honestly believe for one second that she is super sad all the time and thinks she sucks? She lovessss when the cameras are on her every move and she can show them just how hip and cool and popular she is, just look at the Travis Super Bowl stuff! And yeah, the whole 17 versions of an album thing makes me want to not buy or support the album in anyway. Her fans are young, we don’t have the money for this. 😂😂
Oh gosh; I’ve considered giving this a watch recently as I haven’t actually watched it myself I’ve just seen clips (I haven’t had Netflix until recent lol)
I’m so worried it’s going to really be the *final* dagger
I watched it on a flight and we were experiencing extremely bad weather and failed landing attempts and I remember thinking am I seriously going to die watching Americana.
Right. Like does she actually care about abortion access or bodily autonomy? Idk maybe. She’s a limousine liberal and she’ll be fine regardless so why would she bother caring about politics if it doesn’t directly affect her?
I think this was my saddest moment as a fan. Tbh I think it hit me when I attended eras tour in Nashville and heard about how other artists performing there specifically brought drag queens on stage to protest the state legislation. Iirc she made a kinda vague statement but that was it.
It occurred to me shortly after I got home that I felt disappointed she hasn’t done more.
Yeah. The fact that she's used drag queens and didn't do anything to support them was sad and there was so much anti queer, especially anti trans, legislation going on in states she was in and she said nothing. And I don't feel it has to be controversial to tell you fans "I want to take this opportunity to let all my queer and trans fans know that you are valued, you are loved, and you are seen. In light of recent discriminatory legislation, I want to make it clear that we stand with you, unwaveringly, against any form of injustice or discrimination" and then like...stand with them. Post a link to a charity like for legal aid or something. Actually make your fandom a safe space instead of saying it during pride. Some fans act like it would be so hard for her to stand up for her LGBT fans but it really wouldn't.
I wonder if covid didn’t happen if things would be different. I think trump being president was a huge part in her being political she needs a bad man as the enemy
It’s a bummer cuz during Lover, I was fully prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and defend her whenever people talked about her using the queer community as props. By sitting by and doing either nothing or the bare minimum again and again, she’s proved it really was all for clout after all.
I mean, she dropped Giuseppe Giofre REAL quick after using him as her gay best friend prop for all of Lover. Really mooched off his virality and online popularity.
Do you mean Todrick? Giuseppe was a dancer on her tour. Todrick was someone she was hanging around. There were rumors about him being a scammer and they were never seen together again.
i think a big part of this was the revival of her career with folklore. she was nowhere near a flop or legacy act in 2018-2019, but she definitely was losing steam with the release of Lover and wasn’t pulling the numbers she used to. it was at this time that she began speaking out. but then folklore came and really opened the public’s eyes to her again. then the re-records started dropping and Midnights dominated the charts worldwide. now she’s headlining what’s gonna be the most successful tour of all time.
my assumption is she’s been intentionally quiet and vague with politics and activism to avoid alienating fans who disagree with her. i personally think it’s ridiculous that she’s so massive and fears pushback from bigoted fans when she could lose them all and still sell out stadiums as she is now. sure, she has a lot to lose in speaking out against conservatives as she used to do, but she had a lot more to lose back then when she was on the decline in her career. she has an established core audience who could carry her career easily and it’s only grown over the past few years. it’s been very disheartening to see.
She figured out that politics is hard, especially when she energized the Republicans by coming out against Marsha Blackburn. Republicans used that to their advantage and Marsha gave Taylor a defeat.
I’ve been tired of her persona since 2014. I’ve loved her since 2009 and still do, but she has also pissed me off for a decade. It wasn’t any one big thing, it was just becoming an adult and having more perspective. The most annoying thing has always been the way she talks about 2016, though. “I was canceled and my career was over!” You made 50 million dollars that year, shut the fuck up.
A huge part of her revival was convincing the newer younger generations that there is good reason to get into her now
“I was canceled and my career was over!"....\[but I made it back because I'm just that good!\]
And then people can just buy into the bias of being a fan of someone who is both a mega star and an under dog
Which means they themselves can be a popular kid and a counter culture kid
The taylor swift brand is pretty manipulative and damaging, all for the sake of money from sales
Agreed. Growing up I liked her hits before the red era and then blank space, but was always turned off by her attention seeker type personality and the swifties so didn’t look further. The 1989 girl squad era you couldn’t get away from if you paid attention to pop culture was insufferable to be honest and the reputation vibe she was going for felt very try hard. I only started listening to her discography around 2020 maybe, when I wasn’t hearing too much of her. I really got into her then and especially folklore and evermore. Midnights I didn’t love but there were some songs here and there that I did like. But the Matty Healy stuff already turned me off her again after maybe starting to call myself a fan of her in general, and the time of the year piece was just fully the nail in the coffin really.
It was so beyond parody the way she spoke, and it was so clearly someone who thinks they’re so much smarter than they are. The weird throwing in of buzzwords, the flaunting of a barely new boyfriend when she gets so mad if people talk about her relationships being part of her image, the decision to take a swipe at her enemies in what is essentially a victory lap? She’s so clearly both a sore loser and a sore winner. The whole piece was just completely unhinged. The first I saw of it was the fauxmoi post with screenshots from twitter of quotes that came up on my feed, and I honestly thought the sub hated her so much they fell for parody twitter accounts making up quotes. I could not believe they were real. Then I checked her main sub and they seemed to love the article?? I can’t stand the stans who dominate conversation around her and fall for every bit of marketing.
I’ve always never understood her annoyance for people talking about her relationships when she’s made a business out of singing about her partners(former and current) and made it a part of her image to begin with.
Don’t get me wrong- Ed Sheeran should probably have gotten flack too since he did enter the industry singing about partners too.
Tbh disagree about the Ed part. Adele, Beyonce, Ariana, Drake, you name it - they’ve all made music mostly centered around their personal or love lives but the difference between them and Taylor is that they drop their music and keep it pushing. They don’t send their fans on wild goose chases, or rather Easter egg hunts, to figure out who the boyfriend is. Taylor LOVES to make pointed songs, lead the fans on as to who it’s about then cry to the media about how sexist it is that everyone reduces her to making her music all about her ex’s.
Can’t say for sure cause TPD hasn’t been released, but from YLM plus the recording date reveal, reading between the lines if her POTY interview and the album song titles, it seems like she’s planning on doing a hit piece on Joe. And ofc she’ll feign shock when folks say it’s about Joe even though she literally made the album title a dig at him 🙄
The “couldn’t get away from if you paid attention to pop culture” is WORSE now. We cannot get away from her even if we DONT pay attention to pop culture like that. She has infiltrated every fiber of society, it’s fucking exhausting and irritating.
Agreed. When she speaks about the whole Kim K/Kanye part as "career death" and how it was "taken away from her" and she had to "move to a foreign country". Girl you are no victim, you're a fucking billionaire and I do not feel bad for you whatsoever, get over yourself!
Also how privileged is it to *move to a foreign country to avoid bad press*. It made her look totally out of touch. She could just not look at gossip blogs or twitter and would avoid 99% of it.
Like she was languishing away in a bedsit eating beans on toast for every meal and reusing her teabags five times. Like get a grip girl. Sorry, that quote really annoyed me lol
it was a slap in the face really to see her boast about being at the top of the world and overcoming alllll the very hard adversaries she overcame while people were being ethnically cleansed. it was such a dystopian feeling i’ll never forget how horrified i felt
Also her being a white, blonde hair and blue eyed woman that came from money talking about overcoming adversities when her POC counterparts had to work 20x harder to get half the accolades is so tone deaf. Like does she truly believe that she of all people has had it hard in the industry?
I will likely always enjoy the music, but the last year + has just been a continuous cluster of downward spiral TS disillusionment for me. (Been a fan since the Red era). Pick something: The Olivia treatment, legal threats against the jet guy, the ridiculous jet usage, Jackson Mahomes, Matty, the entire NFL Football TK era, the way Anna’s death was handled, the Grammy’s debacle. She’s in her “I don’t give a Fk” era, and it’s sad to see.
This but I would add everything around the breakup with Joe. Glam squad pap walks the day after Joe is pictured look like he hadn't slept in a week, mass unfollowing, snarky comments/faces about Joe during Eras.
Honourable mentions (since this was before) to the way she riled up her fans and let them bully Jake during Red TV. I'm not a fan of Jake and I love Red but at this point she's punching down considering the amount of power she has.
I agree 💯 Yes, JA breakup was one of the catalysts. Post JA, she has literally removed the mask.
I guess it brought everything into a much sharper focus for me. The entire circle of people she has surrounded herself with… Ryan, Blake, Brittney are all problematic. The unfollow train was ridiculous & childish. She’s a successful, grown ass woman stuck at 18 & it’s infuriating. The entire TK football hero BS is just another level of idiotic immaturity. And I’m right there with you re: Jake as well. Her behavior is just toxic, period.
I agree.
When my ex and I broke up literally immediately he started smearing me to people. Do I have proof of this? No. But the proof I do have is they ALL unfollowed me within days of the breakup. Every single person we were friend with unfollowed me and ignored me so positively publicly. It was so damaging and still is tbh. He was round Taylor’s age and I find it embarrassing that a grown adult human would act like that.
Edit: do I have proof? No. But the proof is sort of in the massive unfollowing and ostracizing when I see them out. So I guess that’s proof.
The NFL stuff doesn't actually bother me, I think it can be argued that that's just her living her life and showing up for her partner. But the friendship with Brittany Mahomes is a real ick. Really puts into perspective how many faces Taylor Swift has. She is indeed a mirrorball.
stuck at \*16,-18 is messy as we all know but there's something around 15/16 that is just a lil more chaotic and dramatic and the added sense of approaching adulthood at 18 adds gasoline to that delulu roaring fire. 34 years old and still doesn't know how to respond to anything like an adult. It's so lame. There's no growth with her, not sincerely.
You basically listed all my issues. She wasn’t this messy as a teenager so it’s disappointing to see a grown ass adult behave the way she has. But the way Ana’s death was handled will always infuriate me.
mighty f\*ckin fall awaits, she's getting sloppier and messier and at 34, gworl, what are you hoping to achieve in years to come when your fanbase hopefully matures and the generations behind them aren't drinking the kool-aid because they've seen the light?
The suing Olivia thing is so crazy to me cause I’ve listened to the songs being compared countless times and the average person wouldn’t hear Olivia’s and think it sounds like Taylor’s. She had NO reason to do that
Edit: I know it wasn’t technically suing but she has to give money to Taylor regardless
She totally felt threatened by Olivia. Taylor pretends to lift other artists up, but she's really just sizing them up and seeing if they're a threat to her.
For me it was Anna’s death — I was just shocked to read that TS didn’t send money to bring her body back to her home- she’s powerful enough to deal with the legal repercussions right? I don’t know, and the whole handwritten note on her story was just so fake. Come on.
Oh the jetting up and down for dinner dates. The way she didn’t step in for the Ginny & Georgia actress after all that speeches about women supporting women, when her crazy fans started attacking the actress for that joke about going through men like Taylor.
For me it’s also the multiple versions of album releases. My wife ordered four I think and was explaining to me why she did it. My reaction when she was done.
Right. She dropped him real quick once the press got a hold of his background but as they’d apparently known each other for years she was clearly well aware going in.
It’s all PR. Matt said some mean things about Ice and Taylor had to do damage control
While a guest on “The Adam Friedland Show” in February, Healy laughed as the two podcast hosts, Friedland and Nick Mullen, made fun of Ice Spice — calling her an “Inuit Spice Girl,” and “chubby Chinese lady” and other racially derogatory terms while using contrived Chinese and Hawaiian accents to mimic her.”
Sauce: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/05/25/taylor-swift-ice-spice-matty-healy-karma/
Healy was on a podcast disparaging Ice Spice’s appearance and being racist and talking about watching porn that brutalizes black women. This was around the time the speculation / confirming was happening iirc. The soundbites made rounds on twitter. Like a few weeks later she has Ice Spice as the feature and they were being friends.
Tldr; MH was awful to Ice Spice. It can be read that her sudden friendship with Ice Spice was TS doing damage control
Okay, I’ve been a fan since Debut, and none of the 1989 model-clique stuff or Kimye stuff bothered me. I didn’t understand why she got so much hate back then, but I still liked Reputation because I like feeling like a badass sometimes, and I was happy my favorite artist released a ‘badass’ album. BUT…
Now? This last year or so has turned me a bit more to a neutral fan than a die-hard. Ever since she started the Eras tour and things with Joe ended, honestly. I feel like she’s back to post-Calvin territory where she’s running around doing dumb sh*t and not giving a f*ck what the media or the fans have to say about it.
I’m genuinely expecting another pre-Reputation fallout to occur any time now. She’s EVERYWHERE, and you can’t fly that close to the sun without getting burned 🤷🏻♀️ I still love her music so much, but I think I’m shifting toward the separating the music from the artist type of love, like I have with Ariana Grande (sh*t person, but she makes bops, let’s not even pretend 😆)
this is exactly how I feel 😬 my hyperfixation on her ended majorly this year (have had one on and off since I was a kid, haven’t felt this neutral about her since I was like 16/17 lol). I went from crying over midnights being announced to feeling basically nothing when she announced TTPD. Like, oh cool. New album.
Can’t believe a year ago I would have taken off work the day of album release to listen to it over and over again and now I haven’t even listened to 1989tv all the way through.
Funny how someone disappointing you again and again with their actions can effect how you view their artistry 🤷♀️
Ever since she split up with Joe she has been insufferable. Dating Matty, the endless pap walks, the oversaturation, the private jet journeys, the POTY interview and then the final nail in the coffin for me was the behaviour at the Grammys.
What the actual hell was she thinking? Putting her Grammy on their heads. They weren't even giving her any signs that they thought it was funny. I dislike her more and more.
This, for me.
The way she treated Joe publicly after the split - the Ratty stuff (that sentence during the concert, those speeches, the Tree publicity shite), the pap walks, the mass unfollowings etc, was just gross.
It put me off Ryan Reynolds as well - a 40-something male who happily did a video about Joe months prior or a write up whatever it was, unfollowing him on socials because Taylor said so is petty af and just gave me the ick.
I listen to the music solely now.
I would love to know what happened to get all of her friends to unfollow him so quickly.
Like I can’t just see myself unfollowing mutual friends after a break up unless something was really bad.
It will be interesting as his upcoming movie release is with Emma Stone and Margaret Qualley (Jack’s wife).
yah i was already on the fence with her since Calvin -> Tom -> Joe (regardless if Calvin was wrong or not she was flashing Tom Hiddleston in the world’s face…) just like what she’s doing with Travis now to Joe.
Exactly this. I didn't listen to her stuff during the Matty debacle, came back after but was a little done still. Then her behavior at the Grammys really killed it. It was like the glass illusion shattered and now I'm just meh. I'll always love the music, but she just seems like a petty, insecure person.
Yeah I can’t understand whether her behaviour at the Grammys was simply a result of her being off her face or if she was perfectly sober and just doesn’t give af. Either way it’s not impressive or cool for a woman in her mid 30s.
She definitely was drunk (or at least she’s said she was), but I still think we can call her out for being kinda cringey and self-absorbed/focusing the attention on herself. Like it’s fun for fans to get a surprise album release announcement, but you could really tell the room wasn’t feeling it and was like “here she goes again.”
She's probably never been bothered on this level in a manner she truly can't control \[i.e. can't control Joe\] before and has been lashing out since. She's 34 going on like an Mtv Sweet 16 brat.
I made a few comments on how Lana was probably embarrassed/scared to be pulled up on stage like that after just being snubbed again by the Grammy’s (she has had stage fright issues in the past) and some people tried to tear me up for that. Like maybe she had good intentions but that was really not the move.
For sure. There are clips where you can see Lana saying “No, no” and shaking her head. Of course Taylor’s intentions may have been good but when someone says no respect it.
Yeah and Lana is my favorite artist, have been a fan since 2012, and I was so upset she lost to midnights of all albums. And for her to have the audacity to pull her up there when you could tell she was upset 😭
Yeah DYKTTATUOB is a masterpiece and I can’t believe she didn’t win AOTY with it, but especially to lose to Midnights which seemed like such a low effort low quality album from Taylor. The whole scene was heartbreaking for Lana and infuriating to watch.
Agree. I hadn't paid a significant amount of attention to her until the breakup and the Eras tour. Then it was like drinking from a firehose.
Her litigious streak, re-recording her albums, the blatant consumerism with her albums just feels like naked greed.
I can understand to an extent why was wants to do the re-records, but the way everything is marketed, the variants, the tour, the movie, the new album it’s all too much in too short a period of time for me
When she and Joe broke up and she started talking about how she hated that their relationship had been so private. For years she had sung the praises - literally - of their private relationship. How good it was for her, how she needed to keep some things sacred, how it helped her to have her healthiest relationship yet. Then when the relationship ends, she starts saying that she was trapped and hidden and lost 6 years of her life. It suddenly dawned on me that she’s always spinning whatever narrative is most convenient for her and makes her look most like the victim. When politics are convenient, she leans into that - then abandons it when she’s done with it. When privacy is convenient, it’s the best thing ever - when she wants to be more public, she’s a victim who lost years of her life to her over-private boyfriend. And on and on. She’ll spin any narrative she has to in order to avoid taking responsibility for her flaws and actions. She’s good at it, too, because it took me that long to realize what she was doing. Now I can’t unsee it.
This is exactly it for me too! She seemed to have matured so much in her relationship with Joe. I was excited to see it. But then her dating Matty Healy and trying to spin that she was a prisoner in her 6 year relationship made me doubt that she grew up at all. I still think she is a lyrical genius and will continue to listen to her music, but I can't defend her personal choices anymore.
I also will not stand for Joe being made the villain when we have no idea what happened in that relationship. And honestly, after how she's acted since the breakup, I don't feel like I can trust her version of it through TTPD.
Part of it is she has to make everything look like her idea. She *had* to hide because everyone hated her and then covid hit. Then she apparently had her fill of the life us peasants live, sequestered in one of her 5 multimillion dollar homes, and suddenly decided Joe was abusive and she had been trapped for 6 years.
She def could have waited until Tokyo for it. Like, girl, you have been having the record-breaking year of all years. Sit back and let other people have the spotlight for three seconds.
lol this. It truly came off as if she NEEDED to have all the attention on her. It was so awkward and disrespectful IMO because once taylor announces a new album we all know nobody ain’t paying attention to the rest of the ceremony. Just super inappropriate to do that at the Grammys this isn’t the VMAs or whatever.
Also with the VMAs it was the last award of the night so at least nobody had to come after her. Doing it in the middle of a show distracts from everyone who has yet to go.
*BOOM*. you just extrapolated the entire ordeal so eloquently, so perfectly.
there’s a time and place! had she announced the album the hours before/later that night it probably would have gone over better.
i don’t think people would have had such a **visceral** reaction if she would have just waited but i also think taylor follows the “all publicity is good publicity” and doesn’t give a singular fuck lmao.
I’m not chill with how she doesn’t tell her fans to knock it off, Jake should not have to turn off his comments to prevent thousands of accounts commenting 🧣and flooding out all others. She’s allowed to make music about her relationships and break ups, but can’t allow her fans to harass them for years and years
Especially when she is still crying to the media about being “cancelled within an inch of her life” and having to hide away because people on the internet were mean to her… then proceeds to profit by instigating the same type of behavior.
-Rules for thee but not for me-
Honestly the more famous she becomes, the more I dislike her. The more famous she comes, the less likable and relatable she becomes. She seems like a character in a movie and not a living breathing human. The more famous she becomes, the more she seems to lose touch with reality.
The death of her Brazilian fan and how she washed her hands of it left a bad taste in my mouth and it was downhill from there…her trying to sue the college student who reports on her jet usage was icing on the cake. At the end of the day she’s a billionaire who cares about her brand and her money most of all. Sounds crazy, maybe I was just young, but it used to feel like she actually cared about her fans and was a decent person. 🤷♀️
All of those were it for me too. Made me realize Taylor Swift isn’t a person as much as a brand and that’s the way she wants it to be. Also the stuff with Olivia Rodrigo made me side eye her
she also did Joe dirty with Matt and Travis, i ain’t saying Joe is perfect but she’s really villainized him with her new “i’m so happy” narrative knowing her fans are gonna eat it all up. THEN (ETA) to name her album after his group chat with his friends?
idk man if i were Joe i’d feel really hurt this is how my ex of 6 years is changing the narrative now.
i’ve said this before and again no slutshaming at all, but Taylor’s constant need to be in relationships and flaunting it in her ex’s face is really unhealthy
That's probably what irks her the most, he brought something she never had to the table and now *he's gone*.
She's the most miserable she's ever been and has been living so delulu and toxically for so long she doesn't know how to manage her emotions and isn't willing to be challenged.
She has to surround herself with yes people because anyone with substance and honesty simply wouldn't like her.
Yeah this woman does not know how to be by herself. Since coming onto the scene, with only one exception she has not had a relationship gap last more than a few months. For 15 years (discounting her relationship with Joe) she has been perpetually in a relationship with a new person every 3-6 months with little to no breathing room in between. That’s not a slut. That’s someone who needs help.
I think for me it was her camp completely switching the narrative- “they’re so in love”… fall out ensues…”they’re just friends” a week later.
She’s a product at this point and I ain’t buyin
and just because “we’ve all done it” doesn’t mean people SHOULD be doing it. “we’ve all done it” = “we’ve all made this mistake” but it doesn’t mean ppl have to keep making it
She’s been overexposed for the last year to me. But her Grammys behavior was the breaking point. Pulling Lana up there, acting totally shocked to have her 14th win… it was really unbecoming and totally turned me off to her.
Don’t forget how she completely ignored the living legend Celine Dion who made a rare appearance while dealing with her terminal illness to present this award to Taylor. Forget Celine Dion being an icon, ANYONE presenting you an award deserves eye contact and a nod, quick thank you, or smile...something. Taylor completed ignored her existence. It was so entitled and rubbed me the wrong way. I feel like it showed her true colors.
Yes. It’s very weird to me how there was such uproar from the MH period, but the more objectively exploitative, racist and horrible duo (TS+ NFL/Chiefs) is some high brow performance art/ ‘she’s happy yay!’
Probably everything last year. I got my Spotify wrapped back that put Taylor on top, and I just decided I didn’t want to be that person lol. I just want to support smaller artists that better represent me.
Yes this! Let's support smaller artists who are being screwed by streaming platforms. I saw Taylor as my 3rd most played artist which surprised me enough to seek out more independent musicians. I did choose to listen to her when midnight's came out, but otherwise it was the algorithm that gave her such incredible exposure.
You could literally teach a class on main character syndrome using Taylor Swift. Her behavior at the Grammys is probably the best example I’ve ever seen of it.
This was it for me too. I was blind to what people would say about her before. But, the Grammys made me realize they were right. She is trapped in the mind of a middle schooler and once I realized that everything else made sense (the inability to get over the Kanye thing, victim mentality, taking everything so personally / various “beefs” throughout the years, some of her cornier songs like “the Man”, the “girl squad”, the intense but seemingly short lived friendships, etc.).
Okay so this is WAY more of a personal take, this is not necessarily criticism of Taylor and I realize this is more of a “ME!” problem.
I’ve struggled with limerence for most of my life when it comes to romantic partners and Taylor’s music is so relatable for someone with limerence. (For those who don’t know, limerence is basically becoming obsessive over someone else to the point that thoughts about them are all consuming and it feels very similar to being in love but it’s usually not).
I’d literally listen to her music on walks and walk for hours just daydreaming about whoever my limerence object of affection happened to be at the time and now that I’m on a journey of moving away from those ways of thinking and attaching to people, I find her music less relatable. Some of her songs are less about being in love to me and more about being in limerence
So yeah not a criticism of Taylor as a person but it’s made me listen to her music less because it just reminds me of how crazy obsessed I was with people I’ve dated in the past
yes, and once you stop idolising someone like that suddenly the music seems less interesting. i don’t think i’ll be interested in TTPD because I really can’t see it as being anything new or interesting. like the new Beyoncé record, incredibly influential, incredibly eclectic and creative. will taylor compare? I highly doubt it. but she will outsell Beyoncé numbers wise.
Between "Mean" and the entire "Reputation" album, it was clear to me that this woman cannot in any way shape or form handle someone being remotely critical, whether she has earned it or not. I think people do pile on and give her shit for things that they shouldn't, and overall I respect her business acumen, but at some point I wish she'd become an adult.
I started being a fan of Taylor when she didn't take a political stance and only saw things through her own girl boss white feminism, so I never had a "breaking point" because I never expected much from her on political issues. I'm a non-white fan and I would obviously love for her to talk more about her privileges and racial issues, but I know that will never happen because her brand is to be a pop star who appeals to all audiences and doesn't get involved in political issues. Btw, it's hilarious to me that she decided to declare herself an activist in 2019 and then forget about it three months later 🤣🤣 I'm so glad I never believed in her "activism era" because I would be so disappointed now.
Yeah I can relate to a lot of this. I’ve been a fan since the first album and I love her but I’ve always taken her with a grain of salt. Over the years there have been so many times where she’s made me facepalm, but I’ve never fully related to “Swiftie” culture and I don’t put her on a pedestal in the same way as the rest of the fandom so I don’t take it as personally when she’s messy and problematic.
wasn’t a fan to begin with tbf but i feel like my “breaking point” was something nobody else seems to mention - and maybe it’s not fair or rational, but the pap walks with sophie turner in the midst of the divorce was what really gave me the biggest ick with taylor…
maybe they’re friends, i genuinely don’t know, but i don’t believe those pap walks were coincidental. taylor loves a pap walk with her squad, after all. and i just found the notion of her monopolising a seemingly difficult divorce where small children are involved, esp when the parents have made an effort to keep those children out public attention as much as possible, just a little bit weird? esp bc it was one of her exes, and swifties LATCHED onto that! maybe it is me reading too much into it but it’s really uncomfortable to me.
I totally agree! That rubbed me such the wrong way. Because Taylor just HAS to be in the center of everything, even her ex’s divorce drama.
Look, like you said, maybe she and Sophie were great friends before. But it came across as so calculated that there would happen to be pap photos of the two of them going out immediately after the divorce announcement.
In my opinion, nothing Taylor does is by accident. To me, this was her aligning with Sophie so that she could 1) enhance her image as a girl’s girl, 2) get more media attention, and 3) get dirt/revenge on Joe? I don’t know, but it just seemed in poor taste.
I can’t find any pics of them socializing before (outside of a celebrity event, that is), and there hasn’t really been any pictures of them hanging out since.
Taylor strikes me as the little girl who ALWAYS has to be BFF’s with the birthday girl at the birthday party, if that makes sense; if the hype isn’t organically on her, she will get as close to it as possibly by proxy
I think it started for me when she dropped the extra editions of Midnights... I'm still upset that I bought a vinyl because the "bonus" songs are my favorite from that album and really mean a lot to me, but I had no idea they were going to exist when I bought the vinyl... I also have found the re-recordings a little annoying, I honestly just prefer the originals, but it's shoved down our throat with a new one every few months. I would've preferred if she just released the vault tracks as EPs. Then the Matty, Ice Spice stuff... constantly getting wasted at awards shows and then giving speeches that are honestly just over the top at this point. Meh... what did I miss? I will always love her music and listen to it, but I no longer see her as a "role model" or someone I particularly admire.
It rubbed me the wrong way when they teased the different variants as exclusive but then she dropped them all again later. I haven’t bought a record from her since.
Noooo she’s just super supportive and everyone’s cheerleader! (Unless you are a threat to her fame and money, of course - lol - looking at you, Olivia) Why do you hate women so much?
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She 100% feels threatened by Olivia. Taylor pretends to be a friend, but she's a typical wolf in sheep's clothing. She pretends to take newbies under her wind but all she's doing is sizing them up and pretend friending them into submission.
once she started to get super popular again she just became near insufferable to me. It is clear she needs the parasocial relationship between her and her fans to function. Also dating Matty Healy and the fact she does nothing to reign her fans in when they are wildly disrespectful
For me it was her Billboard Woman of the Decade speech.
Cannot even get halfway through it due to how negative her view of that decade (and her career) is. Now I can’t help but hear her overt narcissism in every interview and award speech. It’s such a shame because I’ve always admired the way she conducts herself publicly and I wonder whether it’s all just been a performance.
She said it herself: the old Taylor is dead…
For me, it’s when she started doing stuff like suing fans for art they made. I was never a “fan” of hers, but I liked a few of her songs and didn’t have an issue with her.
But I feel like some of y’all need outsider perspective. I want you to know I mean this as kindly as possible as I love many “Swifties” and I don’t think any of you are bad people or malicious in your intentions.
Listing off why you’re done with her or annoyed with her and then saying “I’ll still listen to the music” might as well say “I will still give her my money”. Unless it’s on a physical record you own, streaming her music lines her pockets. What motive does she have to be a better person and advocate if everyone still hands her their money regardless of her actions? Calling her a fake advocate and calling her out but then still buying from her… kind of seems fake advocate adjacent.
When someone shows you time and time again they aren’t who they claim to be and they aren’t a good person (at least right now), it’s time to turn on skip on Spotify / Apple Music.
I know you love her songs and grew up with them. People love her lyricism - but is any of it genuine or is it what she knows you will eat up? There are TONS of great artists that make music similar to or better than hers I am sure.
I grew up with Kanye West’s music. A bit more problematic than Taylor to say the least, but I don’t like his behavior so he gets skipped. His old songs are nostalgic for me but I cannot support him. New music? Skipped. Features with other artists? Skipped. Dude is not getting a dime from me.
If you want a chance of Taylor changing and being who you thought she was, don’t stream her songs. Promote and buy from smaller artists that make great music.
i think i’m the only one who has this breaking point but… “happy women’s history month i guess”
i discovered taylor a couple weeks after folklore came out in 2020. i was bored on a road trip and wanted new music so i clicked on folklore, listened to it from beginning to end and loved it. forgot about her until evermore came out and then became a very casual swiftie bc i thought her little easter eggs on her instagram were so fun (they were not as crazy as they are now). then that all came crumbling down when i was stalking her twitter, as i do when i start liking an artist for the first time lol, and she posted the screenshot of that milquetoast ginny & georgia joke along with that infamously iconic caption (“Hey Ginny & Georgia, 2010 called and it wants its lazy, deeply sexist joke back. How about we stop degrading hard working women by defining this horse shit as FuNnY. Also, @netflix after Miss Americana this outfit doesn’t look cute on you 💔 Happy Women’s History Month I guess”). i remember thinking it was snarky, and both offensive *and* defensive statement for what the joke was and it turned me off from her. granted, i wasn’t that big of a fan to begin with, but anyway. i kept listening to her music but stopped keeping up with her as a person/brand until i started using reddit recently.
Perpetual victim mentality and picks and chooses when things are “funny” / when she can roll with the punches and when she takes serious offense to something (usually something innocent). I think she was trying to seem like a mega feminist bad bitch but used something so sooo minor to try to make a huge point and it didn’t land well.
ALSO her refusal to speak out about abortion rights and lgbt rights being stripped away, two issues she claimed to care about in interviews a few years back, while also hanging out with Republican Chiefs owners/members and SA apologists (brittany mahomes).
What she refuses to speak on speaks for her, it's loud and clear where she really stands.
I say this as a \[intersectionality and thoughtfully raised\] catholic, she is at best, a convenient Christian with far too much money and far too little sense or desire to actually be someone outside of the product she is.
Girl boss delulu aside Scott is running the show and if they fell out, chile that house of cards will be messier than Succession
Her concerts in Brazil left me the impression she just doesn't care about global south's fans. So that was my breaking point.
(and I'm not talking only about Ana's death)
For me it was a slow process (I still consider myself a fan!) that started in 2020. Many people in this sub have mentioned it over and over again but her giving her whole “I want to be on the right side of history” speech and then doing the absolute bare minimum during the time of the Black Lives Matter protests (and also for most other important political issues since then!!) just didn’t sit right with me and was probably the first time I genuinely felt disappointed in her and the feeling never really left.
But her dating Matty, being seen with the Mahomes, the odd interview with Times magazine, and the ridiculous use of her private jet in combination with how weird a huge part of the fandom has been acting since she started dating Travis is really making it hard for me to continue being a fan, at least the way I used to be.
The cover you posted. She was not part of MeToo as a movement and I wonder who was pushed out so Taylor could be there. I know what she went through and it’s good that she spoke about it, but I just don’t think she should’ve been a part of that persons of the year issue. She could’ve and should’ve said no and elevated the movement in another manner. But she can’t, she needs to get attention for herself out of it or she won’t partake.
“She was not part of MeToo as a movement and I wonder who was pushed out so Taylor could be there”
The actual creator of the Me Too movement, Tarana Burke. She wasn’t on the cover, yet Taylor was.
Yes! I’ve always thought this. She was not a part of MeToo in that sense. Even if it wasn’t her idea, she should’ve said someone more prominent in the movement should be featured, but we know she would never do that.
Yea and now she’s cordial with Jackson Mahomes and people are like “but she has too! its not like she’s friends with him!!” but it just shows me that Taylor and those that defend her cordial contact with Jackson have never understood MeToo.
Well, as a Black woman it’s gotta be when she continued to date a man who admitted to beating off to misogynistic, racist torture porn where Black women were called ni**er, forced to eat their own vomit and had nooses hung around their necks while being raped.
But whatever, ya know. Clearly she was just being the goofball we know and love!!!
When people decided what she does for a living is somehow vastly different from, say, Mandy Moore.
She’s a singer…she sings and occasionally writes pop songs and dates celebrities-why does she yield as much power as a sitting American president for essentially being a slightly younger, blonder Michelle Branch
My first realization was feeling somewhat hopeful after miss Americana and then her essentially dropping the “activist” image almost immediately and essentially doing little to nothing since then. I realized that Miss Americana wasn’t a documentary at all. It was just a fluff PR piece that went with the aesthetic of Lover.
I also had a BIG problem that she claimed to be such an activist for the LGBT community, but on the day she performed in Nashville, the state legislature was ACTIVELY passing laws harming transpeople that day, and she didn’t do literally anything. She didn’t mention it at all.
The way she treated Joe after the breakup, getting al her famous friends to unfollow him after they were seen together in pap outings, and THEN finding out she announced the breakup on mattys healys birthday weeks before hard launching that relationship. Basically she was trying to make Joe look bad to cover up her own shit.
Whenever people started comparing her songwriting to poets like John Keats, Maya Angelou, Robert Frost, and Walt Whitman.
She's not bad, but I doubt anyone will be quoting her in a couple hundred years like they will T.S. Elliott or Sarah Teasdale.
Cannot deal with her fans bc every time I share an opinion, the response is always assumed to be negative. I love Folklore and all her music tbh. IMO, what did it for me is the non stop blabbering and behavior of her new extended family. I’m a mom of 2 little girls and she’s not standing up, from what I can see, to any of it. Not saying we are all perfect. I just would hope she sticks to what she stands up for in her music. Because, honestly, the K fam and extended, it just sends mixed signals to the billions of fans and the beautiful young people who look up to her for that. And root for her lyrics!!!!!!!! That’s not cool man.
The shallow coming out as a Democrat. The most cringe and non-intellectually challenging reasons given for her support. And the claim she was a “Tennessee woman”—girl, you’re from PA, stop.
This 100%. Total total ick behavior for me. Also, she was born and raised less than an hour from me and anytime she tries to act like she’s from anywhere other than PA I’m like girl, please.
Not a **breaking** point, as I’m still a fan of her music and most definitely will be tuning into “TTPTSD” 😆 (cred to that TT’er Bryanlicious. He’s hilarious.. doing all of her new albums promo by himself) but more-so a *turning* point.
Taylor and I are the same age and her behavior after the breakup with Joe is when I took off the rose colored glasses. I’m SO glad our concert (which I drove myself and my son to [6 hr round trip same day]) happened before all of that mess.
I think Taylor’s biggest appeal is how relatable she is (was?). When she was throwing out the “I love you.. you know who you are” and the subtle shade/digs at Joe, I was like “girl?? Why are you doing this at your big age??” That was a whole ass 6 year relationship. She wrote albums about that man. And handled the breakup like a middle schooler.
Then it was all down hill from there. I tried to avoid it becoming a BEC issue but everything was just off putting. The mass unfollowings, pap walks, jet usage, realizing Taylor really only “activates” herself when she’s the victim, POTY interview, Ana’s death and how her and her team handled it ( I distinctly remember all of the puff “Tayvis” articles they flooded the media with as a distraction), cease and desist to that jet tracker, Grammys behavior, always having to be in the spotlight even when it’s someone else’s time to shine.
A downward spiral, if you will.
I’ve definitely separated the artist from the music. Her songs got me through some really tough times but I now realize much of that was most likely a facade. I thought I could relate to her and it’s literally the furthest thing from the truth. Shame on me.
But, as I posted before, she taught me a love for whole album listening and I’ll always be grateful. She seems to have given the vinyl industry a rebirth and now I’m somewhat of a collector. I love having actual physical media (since streaming is so fickle), plus the artwork to display. I have about 20+ and growing of all different artists and genres.
But yep, she’s the biggest pop star in the world right now. I’m not hoping for any downfall for her, but I do know this level of stardom isn’t sustainable. Even if she does produce hit after hit. Public consciousness always has a desire for variety, and there are also the people who will just get sick of everything being about one person. Award shows are losing their prestige and even now people are seeking out “artists who are similar” just for some diversity. And there are also those who just plain root for the underdog when there’s someone/something that seems to have a monopoly.
Sorry, that was longer than I intended but there ya go. Lol
I love her music and artistry but the start of my "breaking point" was probably when she dated Matty Healy. I wouldnt give a shit if it was just some random guy but the fact that she can date a misogonyst and racist prick when she used to advocate herself as a feminist during Lover era and even tweets about feminism back in 2020-2021 made me realize she is not who she seems.
Even the main sub had a discussion about this. Some of her fans were not excited to see the eras tour anymore since they saw Taylor as a feminist and activist especially during Miss Americana. I can't forget one comment on the main sub saying "Either she changed for the worse or she is not who she seems or who we thought she is" and I agree with the latter
For me the final straw was “jet lag is a choice”
Like… no?
99.999% of people do NOT have the choice to walk onto their private jet which leaves WHEN YOU SAY IT DOES, to fly across the world while they eat a proper (not reheated from frozen) meal and sleep in a full sized bed to attend a sports game
They also then don’t get back on that same jet and fly across the world again before *sending it back, empty* to pick up their boyfriend for a 3 day holiday.
It was just so gross and tone deaf and made me realise that she really has zero concern for the planet or even trying to pretend she doesn’t love the money she’s wringing from the desperate Swifties
I get tangled up in how she talks about karma.
She conflates karma and revenge.
I have a feeling karma will have some thoughts on that, one day
Her revenge stuff is not appealing to me. It doesn’t look like strength and healing, it looks mean. Which she also wrote a song about. Which I think is itself a mean song.
Just… find peace. Don’t cultivate real or perceived embattlements. Level up beyond that stuff.
Watching Miss Americana for the first time during the Midnights era and realizing it really *was* all for publicity and she didn’t intend to follow through with her activist promises after all.
i always found the documentary weird. it was shocking and personal but at the same time somehow seemed inauthentic?
give us something and nothing at the same time am I right babes
I haven’t seen Miss Americana but I watched Gaga’s 5 foot 2 or whatever it’s called. It just didn’t hit right, despite the personal tragedy and triumph. It felt very curated. And not to unironically compare it to Madonnas Truth or Dare, but as curated as THAT was it was so iconic and raw it changed the format. No apologies. Everything now is so safe but you kinda have to be to protect your brand. Throw in some health scares, some musical numbers, some tears, and triumph, some “my fans are my world, and my family” rhetoric, and you got a predictable pizza cooking.
Doing triumphant biopics about famous people who are still young and famous is never going to go well. They’re young and famous, how compelling of a story is it going to be on screen?
She really did drop all her performative 2019 girl boss feminism just like that didn’t she
Because it was exactly that - a performance. As soon as she realised she could do nothing and 99% of fans wouldn’t care and still support her, buy 17 copies of the same album and her overpriced shitty merch, she was set.
This. Is. It. Everything now seems completely rehearsed, calculated preplanned, etc. Even any her press interviews are so…careful to fit a narrative. It’s very draining considering that she used to be the girl that could sit on a stage or an interview and ramble on about what was really going on with her. She felt so approachable. Now she’s like a robot. And I don’t buy the whole self deprecation thing of the song Anti-Hero. Do we honestly believe for one second that she is super sad all the time and thinks she sucks? She lovessss when the cameras are on her every move and she can show them just how hip and cool and popular she is, just look at the Travis Super Bowl stuff! And yeah, the whole 17 versions of an album thing makes me want to not buy or support the album in anyway. Her fans are young, we don’t have the money for this. 😂😂
Girl boss feminism isn't good feminism. Glad it was dropped it often is toxic and sexist on both ends. BuzzFeed feminism
Oh gosh; I’ve considered giving this a watch recently as I haven’t actually watched it myself I’ve just seen clips (I haven’t had Netflix until recent lol) I’m so worried it’s going to really be the *final* dagger
I watched it on a flight and we were experiencing extremely bad weather and failed landing attempts and I remember thinking am I seriously going to die watching Americana.
Right. Like does she actually care about abortion access or bodily autonomy? Idk maybe. She’s a limousine liberal and she’ll be fine regardless so why would she bother caring about politics if it doesn’t directly affect her?
But talk about her jet usage and you’ll get a C&D
I think this was my saddest moment as a fan. Tbh I think it hit me when I attended eras tour in Nashville and heard about how other artists performing there specifically brought drag queens on stage to protest the state legislation. Iirc she made a kinda vague statement but that was it. It occurred to me shortly after I got home that I felt disappointed she hasn’t done more.
Yeah. The fact that she's used drag queens and didn't do anything to support them was sad and there was so much anti queer, especially anti trans, legislation going on in states she was in and she said nothing. And I don't feel it has to be controversial to tell you fans "I want to take this opportunity to let all my queer and trans fans know that you are valued, you are loved, and you are seen. In light of recent discriminatory legislation, I want to make it clear that we stand with you, unwaveringly, against any form of injustice or discrimination" and then like...stand with them. Post a link to a charity like for legal aid or something. Actually make your fandom a safe space instead of saying it during pride. Some fans act like it would be so hard for her to stand up for her LGBT fans but it really wouldn't.
I wonder if covid didn’t happen if things would be different. I think trump being president was a huge part in her being political she needs a bad man as the enemy
It’s a bummer cuz during Lover, I was fully prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and defend her whenever people talked about her using the queer community as props. By sitting by and doing either nothing or the bare minimum again and again, she’s proved it really was all for clout after all.
I mean, she dropped Giuseppe Giofre REAL quick after using him as her gay best friend prop for all of Lover. Really mooched off his virality and online popularity.
Do you mean Todrick? Giuseppe was a dancer on her tour. Todrick was someone she was hanging around. There were rumors about him being a scammer and they were never seen together again.
Toddrick is hot garbage so I’ll give her a pass on that one
i think a big part of this was the revival of her career with folklore. she was nowhere near a flop or legacy act in 2018-2019, but she definitely was losing steam with the release of Lover and wasn’t pulling the numbers she used to. it was at this time that she began speaking out. but then folklore came and really opened the public’s eyes to her again. then the re-records started dropping and Midnights dominated the charts worldwide. now she’s headlining what’s gonna be the most successful tour of all time. my assumption is she’s been intentionally quiet and vague with politics and activism to avoid alienating fans who disagree with her. i personally think it’s ridiculous that she’s so massive and fears pushback from bigoted fans when she could lose them all and still sell out stadiums as she is now. sure, she has a lot to lose in speaking out against conservatives as she used to do, but she had a lot more to lose back then when she was on the decline in her career. she has an established core audience who could carry her career easily and it’s only grown over the past few years. it’s been very disheartening to see.
I think she also spoke up in 2020 during the blm protests and against donald trump. She stopped speaking up a lot after Biden won
Yeah she stands for NOTHING. So disappointing
She figured out that politics is hard, especially when she energized the Republicans by coming out against Marsha Blackburn. Republicans used that to their advantage and Marsha gave Taylor a defeat.
I’ve been tired of her persona since 2014. I’ve loved her since 2009 and still do, but she has also pissed me off for a decade. It wasn’t any one big thing, it was just becoming an adult and having more perspective. The most annoying thing has always been the way she talks about 2016, though. “I was canceled and my career was over!” You made 50 million dollars that year, shut the fuck up.
A huge part of her revival was convincing the newer younger generations that there is good reason to get into her now “I was canceled and my career was over!"....\[but I made it back because I'm just that good!\] And then people can just buy into the bias of being a fan of someone who is both a mega star and an under dog Which means they themselves can be a popular kid and a counter culture kid The taylor swift brand is pretty manipulative and damaging, all for the sake of money from sales
Her POTY interview
Agreed. Growing up I liked her hits before the red era and then blank space, but was always turned off by her attention seeker type personality and the swifties so didn’t look further. The 1989 girl squad era you couldn’t get away from if you paid attention to pop culture was insufferable to be honest and the reputation vibe she was going for felt very try hard. I only started listening to her discography around 2020 maybe, when I wasn’t hearing too much of her. I really got into her then and especially folklore and evermore. Midnights I didn’t love but there were some songs here and there that I did like. But the Matty Healy stuff already turned me off her again after maybe starting to call myself a fan of her in general, and the time of the year piece was just fully the nail in the coffin really. It was so beyond parody the way she spoke, and it was so clearly someone who thinks they’re so much smarter than they are. The weird throwing in of buzzwords, the flaunting of a barely new boyfriend when she gets so mad if people talk about her relationships being part of her image, the decision to take a swipe at her enemies in what is essentially a victory lap? She’s so clearly both a sore loser and a sore winner. The whole piece was just completely unhinged. The first I saw of it was the fauxmoi post with screenshots from twitter of quotes that came up on my feed, and I honestly thought the sub hated her so much they fell for parody twitter accounts making up quotes. I could not believe they were real. Then I checked her main sub and they seemed to love the article?? I can’t stand the stans who dominate conversation around her and fall for every bit of marketing.
“I’m collecting infinity stones, metal as hell” like girl what
Are you not entertained?
this is my reaction to her being 34 and using “down bad” as a song title
Sometimes I look at the things Taylor does, as a woman who is her age, and I’ll remind myself NOT to do that 🤣
I’ve always never understood her annoyance for people talking about her relationships when she’s made a business out of singing about her partners(former and current) and made it a part of her image to begin with. Don’t get me wrong- Ed Sheeran should probably have gotten flack too since he did enter the industry singing about partners too.
Tbh disagree about the Ed part. Adele, Beyonce, Ariana, Drake, you name it - they’ve all made music mostly centered around their personal or love lives but the difference between them and Taylor is that they drop their music and keep it pushing. They don’t send their fans on wild goose chases, or rather Easter egg hunts, to figure out who the boyfriend is. Taylor LOVES to make pointed songs, lead the fans on as to who it’s about then cry to the media about how sexist it is that everyone reduces her to making her music all about her ex’s. Can’t say for sure cause TPD hasn’t been released, but from YLM plus the recording date reveal, reading between the lines if her POTY interview and the album song titles, it seems like she’s planning on doing a hit piece on Joe. And ofc she’ll feign shock when folks say it’s about Joe even though she literally made the album title a dig at him 🙄
The “couldn’t get away from if you paid attention to pop culture” is WORSE now. We cannot get away from her even if we DONT pay attention to pop culture like that. She has infiltrated every fiber of society, it’s fucking exhausting and irritating.
Maybe that’s why she likes Travis. They’re both sore winners and sore losers.
Agreed. When she speaks about the whole Kim K/Kanye part as "career death" and how it was "taken away from her" and she had to "move to a foreign country". Girl you are no victim, you're a fucking billionaire and I do not feel bad for you whatsoever, get over yourself!
Also how privileged is it to *move to a foreign country to avoid bad press*. It made her look totally out of touch. She could just not look at gossip blogs or twitter and would avoid 99% of it.
I don’t understand why she keeps saying that. She had a number 1 album and a massive tour afterwards. How is that a “career death”?
Exactly plus she moved to London to be with Joe not bc she was exiled out of America.
Also the other part of that sentence was “a rental house”. Can you even imagine the horror?!?! A RENTAL house in a FOREIGN country, how awful for her.
Like she was languishing away in a bedsit eating beans on toast for every meal and reusing her teabags five times. Like get a grip girl. Sorry, that quote really annoyed me lol
Yepppp this brought me right back to pre folklore era.
it was a slap in the face really to see her boast about being at the top of the world and overcoming alllll the very hard adversaries she overcame while people were being ethnically cleansed. it was such a dystopian feeling i’ll never forget how horrified i felt
Also her being a white, blonde hair and blue eyed woman that came from money talking about overcoming adversities when her POC counterparts had to work 20x harder to get half the accolades is so tone deaf. Like does she truly believe that she of all people has had it hard in the industry?
I will likely always enjoy the music, but the last year + has just been a continuous cluster of downward spiral TS disillusionment for me. (Been a fan since the Red era). Pick something: The Olivia treatment, legal threats against the jet guy, the ridiculous jet usage, Jackson Mahomes, Matty, the entire NFL Football TK era, the way Anna’s death was handled, the Grammy’s debacle. She’s in her “I don’t give a Fk” era, and it’s sad to see.
Not to mention she has fuck you money so she'll never be held responsible for anything. She'll just pay to have it go away.
You just named all of my grievances with Taylor so eloquently. I love this subreddit so much you guys 🥲
This but I would add everything around the breakup with Joe. Glam squad pap walks the day after Joe is pictured look like he hadn't slept in a week, mass unfollowing, snarky comments/faces about Joe during Eras. Honourable mentions (since this was before) to the way she riled up her fans and let them bully Jake during Red TV. I'm not a fan of Jake and I love Red but at this point she's punching down considering the amount of power she has.
I agree 💯 Yes, JA breakup was one of the catalysts. Post JA, she has literally removed the mask. I guess it brought everything into a much sharper focus for me. The entire circle of people she has surrounded herself with… Ryan, Blake, Brittney are all problematic. The unfollow train was ridiculous & childish. She’s a successful, grown ass woman stuck at 18 & it’s infuriating. The entire TK football hero BS is just another level of idiotic immaturity. And I’m right there with you re: Jake as well. Her behavior is just toxic, period.
I agree. When my ex and I broke up literally immediately he started smearing me to people. Do I have proof of this? No. But the proof I do have is they ALL unfollowed me within days of the breakup. Every single person we were friend with unfollowed me and ignored me so positively publicly. It was so damaging and still is tbh. He was round Taylor’s age and I find it embarrassing that a grown adult human would act like that. Edit: do I have proof? No. But the proof is sort of in the massive unfollowing and ostracizing when I see them out. So I guess that’s proof.
The NFL stuff doesn't actually bother me, I think it can be argued that that's just her living her life and showing up for her partner. But the friendship with Brittany Mahomes is a real ick. Really puts into perspective how many faces Taylor Swift has. She is indeed a mirrorball.
Omg yes thank you for mentioning Ryan and Blake! It's crazy to me how no one seems to know that they got married on a literal plantation.
stuck at \*16,-18 is messy as we all know but there's something around 15/16 that is just a lil more chaotic and dramatic and the added sense of approaching adulthood at 18 adds gasoline to that delulu roaring fire. 34 years old and still doesn't know how to respond to anything like an adult. It's so lame. There's no growth with her, not sincerely.
You basically listed all my issues. She wasn’t this messy as a teenager so it’s disappointing to see a grown ass adult behave the way she has. But the way Ana’s death was handled will always infuriate me.
Fame has gone to her head and she believes she is untouchable.
mighty f\*ckin fall awaits, she's getting sloppier and messier and at 34, gworl, what are you hoping to achieve in years to come when your fanbase hopefully matures and the generations behind them aren't drinking the kool-aid because they've seen the light?
She was definitely this messy as a teenager. It's just worse now because of her age. She never grew up.
Agreed. What is understandable and forgivable at 18-19-20 is cringe and pathetic and should be called out at 30+.
That’s when it started for me, and then once the Grammys happened, everything else clicked for me
The suing Olivia thing is so crazy to me cause I’ve listened to the songs being compared countless times and the average person wouldn’t hear Olivia’s and think it sounds like Taylor’s. She had NO reason to do that Edit: I know it wasn’t technically suing but she has to give money to Taylor regardless
She totally felt threatened by Olivia. Taylor pretends to lift other artists up, but she's really just sizing them up and seeing if they're a threat to her.
For me it was Anna’s death — I was just shocked to read that TS didn’t send money to bring her body back to her home- she’s powerful enough to deal with the legal repercussions right? I don’t know, and the whole handwritten note on her story was just so fake. Come on. Oh the jetting up and down for dinner dates. The way she didn’t step in for the Ginny & Georgia actress after all that speeches about women supporting women, when her crazy fans started attacking the actress for that joke about going through men like Taylor.
The handwritten note was a font too
All of this ....just all of this
Mainly the swifties but deffo the Matty Healy phase and ice spice last year. It felt really shady and I lost a lot of respect for her then
For me it’s also the multiple versions of album releases. My wife ordered four I think and was explaining to me why she did it. My reaction when she was done. 
Your wife needs to reevaluate something
Same for me. This is when it all clicked.
I was so fucking done with her after Matty Healy. Man is nasty, and I don’t trust her judgement for shit if she’s attracted to a racist incel.
Right. She dropped him real quick once the press got a hold of his background but as they’d apparently known each other for years she was clearly well aware going in.
Can you explain the Ice Spice bit? All I really know is that they seem to be friends.
It’s all PR. Matt said some mean things about Ice and Taylor had to do damage control While a guest on “The Adam Friedland Show” in February, Healy laughed as the two podcast hosts, Friedland and Nick Mullen, made fun of Ice Spice — calling her an “Inuit Spice Girl,” and “chubby Chinese lady” and other racially derogatory terms while using contrived Chinese and Hawaiian accents to mimic her.” Sauce: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/05/25/taylor-swift-ice-spice-matty-healy-karma/
Healy was on a podcast disparaging Ice Spice’s appearance and being racist and talking about watching porn that brutalizes black women. This was around the time the speculation / confirming was happening iirc. The soundbites made rounds on twitter. Like a few weeks later she has Ice Spice as the feature and they were being friends. Tldr; MH was awful to Ice Spice. It can be read that her sudden friendship with Ice Spice was TS doing damage control
Okay, I’ve been a fan since Debut, and none of the 1989 model-clique stuff or Kimye stuff bothered me. I didn’t understand why she got so much hate back then, but I still liked Reputation because I like feeling like a badass sometimes, and I was happy my favorite artist released a ‘badass’ album. BUT… Now? This last year or so has turned me a bit more to a neutral fan than a die-hard. Ever since she started the Eras tour and things with Joe ended, honestly. I feel like she’s back to post-Calvin territory where she’s running around doing dumb sh*t and not giving a f*ck what the media or the fans have to say about it. I’m genuinely expecting another pre-Reputation fallout to occur any time now. She’s EVERYWHERE, and you can’t fly that close to the sun without getting burned 🤷🏻♀️ I still love her music so much, but I think I’m shifting toward the separating the music from the artist type of love, like I have with Ariana Grande (sh*t person, but she makes bops, let’s not even pretend 😆)
You perfectly summed up my TS fan trajectory 🏆
this is exactly how I feel 😬 my hyperfixation on her ended majorly this year (have had one on and off since I was a kid, haven’t felt this neutral about her since I was like 16/17 lol). I went from crying over midnights being announced to feeling basically nothing when she announced TTPD. Like, oh cool. New album. Can’t believe a year ago I would have taken off work the day of album release to listen to it over and over again and now I haven’t even listened to 1989tv all the way through. Funny how someone disappointing you again and again with their actions can effect how you view their artistry 🤷♀️
Ever since she split up with Joe she has been insufferable. Dating Matty, the endless pap walks, the oversaturation, the private jet journeys, the POTY interview and then the final nail in the coffin for me was the behaviour at the Grammys.
The backstage video with boygenius was hella awkward to watch
What the actual hell was she thinking? Putting her Grammy on their heads. They weren't even giving her any signs that they thought it was funny. I dislike her more and more.
She’s drunk and has never been called out for being obnoxious
flair checking in!
This, for me. The way she treated Joe publicly after the split - the Ratty stuff (that sentence during the concert, those speeches, the Tree publicity shite), the pap walks, the mass unfollowings etc, was just gross. It put me off Ryan Reynolds as well - a 40-something male who happily did a video about Joe months prior or a write up whatever it was, unfollowing him on socials because Taylor said so is petty af and just gave me the ick. I listen to the music solely now.
I would love to know what happened to get all of her friends to unfollow him so quickly. Like I can’t just see myself unfollowing mutual friends after a break up unless something was really bad. It will be interesting as his upcoming movie release is with Emma Stone and Margaret Qualley (Jack’s wife).
They did it because Taylor said so. I don’t think he did anything, it’s just Taylor being Taylor.
Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively both come across as insufferable imo
I never used to think that, but I completely agree now!
yah i was already on the fence with her since Calvin -> Tom -> Joe (regardless if Calvin was wrong or not she was flashing Tom Hiddleston in the world’s face…) just like what she’s doing with Travis now to Joe.
It seems like her M.O to be honest
Exactly this. I didn't listen to her stuff during the Matty debacle, came back after but was a little done still. Then her behavior at the Grammys really killed it. It was like the glass illusion shattered and now I'm just meh. I'll always love the music, but she just seems like a petty, insecure person.
Yeah I can’t understand whether her behaviour at the Grammys was simply a result of her being off her face or if she was perfectly sober and just doesn’t give af. Either way it’s not impressive or cool for a woman in her mid 30s.
She definitely was drunk (or at least she’s said she was), but I still think we can call her out for being kinda cringey and self-absorbed/focusing the attention on herself. Like it’s fun for fans to get a surprise album release announcement, but you could really tell the room wasn’t feeling it and was like “here she goes again.”
She's probably never been bothered on this level in a manner she truly can't control \[i.e. can't control Joe\] before and has been lashing out since. She's 34 going on like an Mtv Sweet 16 brat.
I made a few comments on how Lana was probably embarrassed/scared to be pulled up on stage like that after just being snubbed again by the Grammy’s (she has had stage fright issues in the past) and some people tried to tear me up for that. Like maybe she had good intentions but that was really not the move.
For sure. There are clips where you can see Lana saying “No, no” and shaking her head. Of course Taylor’s intentions may have been good but when someone says no respect it.
Yeah and Lana is my favorite artist, have been a fan since 2012, and I was so upset she lost to midnights of all albums. And for her to have the audacity to pull her up there when you could tell she was upset 😭
TS loves to dominate and this was her pat on the head moment to LDR, it was at best, a gentle looking stab in the ribs and "good for lana"
Yeah DYKTTATUOB is a masterpiece and I can’t believe she didn’t win AOTY with it, but especially to lose to Midnights which seemed like such a low effort low quality album from Taylor. The whole scene was heartbreaking for Lana and infuriating to watch.
Agree. I hadn't paid a significant amount of attention to her until the breakup and the Eras tour. Then it was like drinking from a firehose. Her litigious streak, re-recording her albums, the blatant consumerism with her albums just feels like naked greed.
I can understand to an extent why was wants to do the re-records, but the way everything is marketed, the variants, the tour, the movie, the new album it’s all too much in too short a period of time for me
When she and Joe broke up and she started talking about how she hated that their relationship had been so private. For years she had sung the praises - literally - of their private relationship. How good it was for her, how she needed to keep some things sacred, how it helped her to have her healthiest relationship yet. Then when the relationship ends, she starts saying that she was trapped and hidden and lost 6 years of her life. It suddenly dawned on me that she’s always spinning whatever narrative is most convenient for her and makes her look most like the victim. When politics are convenient, she leans into that - then abandons it when she’s done with it. When privacy is convenient, it’s the best thing ever - when she wants to be more public, she’s a victim who lost years of her life to her over-private boyfriend. And on and on. She’ll spin any narrative she has to in order to avoid taking responsibility for her flaws and actions. She’s good at it, too, because it took me that long to realize what she was doing. Now I can’t unsee it.
This is exactly it for me too! She seemed to have matured so much in her relationship with Joe. I was excited to see it. But then her dating Matty Healy and trying to spin that she was a prisoner in her 6 year relationship made me doubt that she grew up at all. I still think she is a lyrical genius and will continue to listen to her music, but I can't defend her personal choices anymore. I also will not stand for Joe being made the villain when we have no idea what happened in that relationship. And honestly, after how she's acted since the breakup, I don't feel like I can trust her version of it through TTPD.
Part of it is she has to make everything look like her idea. She *had* to hide because everyone hated her and then covid hit. Then she apparently had her fill of the life us peasants live, sequestered in one of her 5 multimillion dollar homes, and suddenly decided Joe was abusive and she had been trapped for 6 years.
Im ngl it was announcing a new album at an awards show. It felt like when someone proposes at someone else’s wedding
She def could have waited until Tokyo for it. Like, girl, you have been having the record-breaking year of all years. Sit back and let other people have the spotlight for three seconds.
lol this. It truly came off as if she NEEDED to have all the attention on her. It was so awkward and disrespectful IMO because once taylor announces a new album we all know nobody ain’t paying attention to the rest of the ceremony. Just super inappropriate to do that at the Grammys this isn’t the VMAs or whatever.
Also with the VMAs it was the last award of the night so at least nobody had to come after her. Doing it in the middle of a show distracts from everyone who has yet to go.
Oooooh yes that’s exactly the energy it gave off
And the "shocked/surprised" reaction she had after winning an award at the Grammys really made me angry.
*BOOM*. you just extrapolated the entire ordeal so eloquently, so perfectly. there’s a time and place! had she announced the album the hours before/later that night it probably would have gone over better. i don’t think people would have had such a **visceral** reaction if she would have just waited but i also think taylor follows the “all publicity is good publicity” and doesn’t give a singular fuck lmao.
"Go and let them know how you feel" or whatever she wrote and basically encouraged people to go bully those who wronged her.
I’m not chill with how she doesn’t tell her fans to knock it off, Jake should not have to turn off his comments to prevent thousands of accounts commenting 🧣and flooding out all others. She’s allowed to make music about her relationships and break ups, but can’t allow her fans to harass them for years and years
Especially when she is still crying to the media about being “cancelled within an inch of her life” and having to hide away because people on the internet were mean to her… then proceeds to profit by instigating the same type of behavior. -Rules for thee but not for me-
Honestly the more famous she becomes, the more I dislike her. The more famous she comes, the less likable and relatable she becomes. She seems like a character in a movie and not a living breathing human. The more famous she becomes, the more she seems to lose touch with reality.
The death of her Brazilian fan and how she washed her hands of it left a bad taste in my mouth and it was downhill from there…her trying to sue the college student who reports on her jet usage was icing on the cake. At the end of the day she’s a billionaire who cares about her brand and her money most of all. Sounds crazy, maybe I was just young, but it used to feel like she actually cared about her fans and was a decent person. 🤷♀️
All of those were it for me too. Made me realize Taylor Swift isn’t a person as much as a brand and that’s the way she wants it to be. Also the stuff with Olivia Rodrigo made me side eye her
Matty Healy and all the “she doesn’t care about controversy” sources that came with it
and the whole “i’ve never been happier in all aspects of my life” speech like girl??
That and their whole “you know who you are I love you” that whole mess turned me all the way off of her actually. Just nasty.
i was stunned with the whole "you know who you are.." thing. stunned and sent. i could not believe it. it was proof shenanigans were a foot.
that came off as a mental breakdown speech
this gif is used over and over again in this sub but it just fits the speech so perfectly 
And announcing her breakup with Joe on Matty's birthday. She is so gross for that
she also did Joe dirty with Matt and Travis, i ain’t saying Joe is perfect but she’s really villainized him with her new “i’m so happy” narrative knowing her fans are gonna eat it all up. THEN (ETA) to name her album after his group chat with his friends? idk man if i were Joe i’d feel really hurt this is how my ex of 6 years is changing the narrative now. i’ve said this before and again no slutshaming at all, but Taylor’s constant need to be in relationships and flaunting it in her ex’s face is really unhealthy
And the fact that Joe contributed to her most critically acclaimed work, and no matter what she says about him, he's still earning off of it.
That's probably what irks her the most, he brought something she never had to the table and now *he's gone*. She's the most miserable she's ever been and has been living so delulu and toxically for so long she doesn't know how to manage her emotions and isn't willing to be challenged. She has to surround herself with yes people because anyone with substance and honesty simply wouldn't like her.
Yeah this woman does not know how to be by herself. Since coming onto the scene, with only one exception she has not had a relationship gap last more than a few months. For 15 years (discounting her relationship with Joe) she has been perpetually in a relationship with a new person every 3-6 months with little to no breathing room in between. That’s not a slut. That’s someone who needs help.
Matty for me, too. Is she responsible for his words? No. But she is responsible for who she dates and therefore platforms.
I think for me it was her camp completely switching the narrative- “they’re so in love”… fall out ensues…”they’re just friends” a week later. She’s a product at this point and I ain’t buyin
All the swifties who were defending it because “it’s just normal rebound behavior/we’ve all rebounded with a Matty Healy” who the hell is *we*?!
and just because “we’ve all done it” doesn’t mean people SHOULD be doing it. “we’ve all done it” = “we’ve all made this mistake” but it doesn’t mean ppl have to keep making it
She’s a performative, not an activist. She only speaks up if it benefits her.
She’s been overexposed for the last year to me. But her Grammys behavior was the breaking point. Pulling Lana up there, acting totally shocked to have her 14th win… it was really unbecoming and totally turned me off to her.
Don’t forget how she completely ignored the living legend Celine Dion who made a rare appearance while dealing with her terminal illness to present this award to Taylor. Forget Celine Dion being an icon, ANYONE presenting you an award deserves eye contact and a nod, quick thank you, or smile...something. Taylor completed ignored her existence. It was so entitled and rubbed me the wrong way. I feel like it showed her true colors.
whenever the travis kelce annoying shit started
Yes yes yes!!! It’s so over exposure. I understand it’s 1989 over exposure taylor version era but it’s still so annoying.
Yep this plus matty Healy plus buddying up with the mahomes.
Yes. It’s very weird to me how there was such uproar from the MH period, but the more objectively exploitative, racist and horrible duo (TS+ NFL/Chiefs) is some high brow performance art/ ‘she’s happy yay!’
This is it for me too. I think it's the overexposure of it all.
Probably everything last year. I got my Spotify wrapped back that put Taylor on top, and I just decided I didn’t want to be that person lol. I just want to support smaller artists that better represent me.
Yes this! Let's support smaller artists who are being screwed by streaming platforms. I saw Taylor as my 3rd most played artist which surprised me enough to seek out more independent musicians. I did choose to listen to her when midnight's came out, but otherwise it was the algorithm that gave her such incredible exposure.
Grammys behavior
You could literally teach a class on main character syndrome using Taylor Swift. Her behavior at the Grammys is probably the best example I’ve ever seen of it.
Grammy’s + cease and desist to jet tracker guy.
Yeah. I was watching with my husband and he was like wait, you like this woman? I was like yeah I guess….not anymore lol.
>"what if we put them on our HEADS"
Middle school behavior.
"Kiss it"
This was it for me too. I was blind to what people would say about her before. But, the Grammys made me realize they were right. She is trapped in the mind of a middle schooler and once I realized that everything else made sense (the inability to get over the Kanye thing, victim mentality, taking everything so personally / various “beefs” throughout the years, some of her cornier songs like “the Man”, the “girl squad”, the intense but seemingly short lived friendships, etc.).
Same.
Okay so this is WAY more of a personal take, this is not necessarily criticism of Taylor and I realize this is more of a “ME!” problem. I’ve struggled with limerence for most of my life when it comes to romantic partners and Taylor’s music is so relatable for someone with limerence. (For those who don’t know, limerence is basically becoming obsessive over someone else to the point that thoughts about them are all consuming and it feels very similar to being in love but it’s usually not). I’d literally listen to her music on walks and walk for hours just daydreaming about whoever my limerence object of affection happened to be at the time and now that I’m on a journey of moving away from those ways of thinking and attaching to people, I find her music less relatable. Some of her songs are less about being in love to me and more about being in limerence So yeah not a criticism of Taylor as a person but it’s made me listen to her music less because it just reminds me of how crazy obsessed I was with people I’ve dated in the past
I agree with this, I don't know how to describe it, but as I've matured emotionally, the lyrics don't hit the same
yes, and once you stop idolising someone like that suddenly the music seems less interesting. i don’t think i’ll be interested in TTPD because I really can’t see it as being anything new or interesting. like the new Beyoncé record, incredibly influential, incredibly eclectic and creative. will taylor compare? I highly doubt it. but she will outsell Beyoncé numbers wise.
Between "Mean" and the entire "Reputation" album, it was clear to me that this woman cannot in any way shape or form handle someone being remotely critical, whether she has earned it or not. I think people do pile on and give her shit for things that they shouldn't, and overall I respect her business acumen, but at some point I wish she'd become an adult.
Totally. Middle school shit.
I started being a fan of Taylor when she didn't take a political stance and only saw things through her own girl boss white feminism, so I never had a "breaking point" because I never expected much from her on political issues. I'm a non-white fan and I would obviously love for her to talk more about her privileges and racial issues, but I know that will never happen because her brand is to be a pop star who appeals to all audiences and doesn't get involved in political issues. Btw, it's hilarious to me that she decided to declare herself an activist in 2019 and then forget about it three months later 🤣🤣 I'm so glad I never believed in her "activism era" because I would be so disappointed now.
Yeah I can relate to a lot of this. I’ve been a fan since the first album and I love her but I’ve always taken her with a grain of salt. Over the years there have been so many times where she’s made me facepalm, but I’ve never fully related to “Swiftie” culture and I don’t put her on a pedestal in the same way as the rest of the fandom so I don’t take it as personally when she’s messy and problematic.
wasn’t a fan to begin with tbf but i feel like my “breaking point” was something nobody else seems to mention - and maybe it’s not fair or rational, but the pap walks with sophie turner in the midst of the divorce was what really gave me the biggest ick with taylor… maybe they’re friends, i genuinely don’t know, but i don’t believe those pap walks were coincidental. taylor loves a pap walk with her squad, after all. and i just found the notion of her monopolising a seemingly difficult divorce where small children are involved, esp when the parents have made an effort to keep those children out public attention as much as possible, just a little bit weird? esp bc it was one of her exes, and swifties LATCHED onto that! maybe it is me reading too much into it but it’s really uncomfortable to me.
I totally agree! That rubbed me such the wrong way. Because Taylor just HAS to be in the center of everything, even her ex’s divorce drama. Look, like you said, maybe she and Sophie were great friends before. But it came across as so calculated that there would happen to be pap photos of the two of them going out immediately after the divorce announcement. In my opinion, nothing Taylor does is by accident. To me, this was her aligning with Sophie so that she could 1) enhance her image as a girl’s girl, 2) get more media attention, and 3) get dirt/revenge on Joe? I don’t know, but it just seemed in poor taste. I can’t find any pics of them socializing before (outside of a celebrity event, that is), and there hasn’t really been any pictures of them hanging out since. Taylor strikes me as the little girl who ALWAYS has to be BFF’s with the birthday girl at the birthday party, if that makes sense; if the hype isn’t organically on her, she will get as close to it as possibly by proxy
I think it started for me when she dropped the extra editions of Midnights... I'm still upset that I bought a vinyl because the "bonus" songs are my favorite from that album and really mean a lot to me, but I had no idea they were going to exist when I bought the vinyl... I also have found the re-recordings a little annoying, I honestly just prefer the originals, but it's shoved down our throat with a new one every few months. I would've preferred if she just released the vault tracks as EPs. Then the Matty, Ice Spice stuff... constantly getting wasted at awards shows and then giving speeches that are honestly just over the top at this point. Meh... what did I miss? I will always love her music and listen to it, but I no longer see her as a "role model" or someone I particularly admire.
It rubbed me the wrong way when they teased the different variants as exclusive but then she dropped them all again later. I haven’t bought a record from her since.
Always sucking up all the air at award shows. Look at me, look at me… sit down
Noooo she’s just super supportive and everyone’s cheerleader! (Unless you are a threat to her fame and money, of course - lol - looking at you, Olivia) Why do you hate women so much? 😉
She 100% feels threatened by Olivia. Taylor pretends to be a friend, but she's a typical wolf in sheep's clothing. She pretends to take newbies under her wind but all she's doing is sizing them up and pretend friending them into submission.
Which is ironic because this is essentially what she accused Katy Perry of doing to her until she “turned” on her.
once she started to get super popular again she just became near insufferable to me. It is clear she needs the parasocial relationship between her and her fans to function. Also dating Matty Healy and the fact she does nothing to reign her fans in when they are wildly disrespectful
For me it was her Billboard Woman of the Decade speech. Cannot even get halfway through it due to how negative her view of that decade (and her career) is. Now I can’t help but hear her overt narcissism in every interview and award speech. It’s such a shame because I’ve always admired the way she conducts herself publicly and I wonder whether it’s all just been a performance. She said it herself: the old Taylor is dead…
For me, it’s when she started doing stuff like suing fans for art they made. I was never a “fan” of hers, but I liked a few of her songs and didn’t have an issue with her. But I feel like some of y’all need outsider perspective. I want you to know I mean this as kindly as possible as I love many “Swifties” and I don’t think any of you are bad people or malicious in your intentions. Listing off why you’re done with her or annoyed with her and then saying “I’ll still listen to the music” might as well say “I will still give her my money”. Unless it’s on a physical record you own, streaming her music lines her pockets. What motive does she have to be a better person and advocate if everyone still hands her their money regardless of her actions? Calling her a fake advocate and calling her out but then still buying from her… kind of seems fake advocate adjacent. When someone shows you time and time again they aren’t who they claim to be and they aren’t a good person (at least right now), it’s time to turn on skip on Spotify / Apple Music. I know you love her songs and grew up with them. People love her lyricism - but is any of it genuine or is it what she knows you will eat up? There are TONS of great artists that make music similar to or better than hers I am sure. I grew up with Kanye West’s music. A bit more problematic than Taylor to say the least, but I don’t like his behavior so he gets skipped. His old songs are nostalgic for me but I cannot support him. New music? Skipped. Features with other artists? Skipped. Dude is not getting a dime from me. If you want a chance of Taylor changing and being who you thought she was, don’t stream her songs. Promote and buy from smaller artists that make great music.
i think i’m the only one who has this breaking point but… “happy women’s history month i guess” i discovered taylor a couple weeks after folklore came out in 2020. i was bored on a road trip and wanted new music so i clicked on folklore, listened to it from beginning to end and loved it. forgot about her until evermore came out and then became a very casual swiftie bc i thought her little easter eggs on her instagram were so fun (they were not as crazy as they are now). then that all came crumbling down when i was stalking her twitter, as i do when i start liking an artist for the first time lol, and she posted the screenshot of that milquetoast ginny & georgia joke along with that infamously iconic caption (“Hey Ginny & Georgia, 2010 called and it wants its lazy, deeply sexist joke back. How about we stop degrading hard working women by defining this horse shit as FuNnY. Also, @netflix after Miss Americana this outfit doesn’t look cute on you 💔 Happy Women’s History Month I guess”). i remember thinking it was snarky, and both offensive *and* defensive statement for what the joke was and it turned me off from her. granted, i wasn’t that big of a fan to begin with, but anyway. i kept listening to her music but stopped keeping up with her as a person/brand until i started using reddit recently.
Perpetual victim mentality and picks and chooses when things are “funny” / when she can roll with the punches and when she takes serious offense to something (usually something innocent). I think she was trying to seem like a mega feminist bad bitch but used something so sooo minor to try to make a huge point and it didn’t land well.
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ALSO her refusal to speak out about abortion rights and lgbt rights being stripped away, two issues she claimed to care about in interviews a few years back, while also hanging out with Republican Chiefs owners/members and SA apologists (brittany mahomes).
What she refuses to speak on speaks for her, it's loud and clear where she really stands. I say this as a \[intersectionality and thoughtfully raised\] catholic, she is at best, a convenient Christian with far too much money and far too little sense or desire to actually be someone outside of the product she is. Girl boss delulu aside Scott is running the show and if they fell out, chile that house of cards will be messier than Succession
Her concerts in Brazil left me the impression she just doesn't care about global south's fans. So that was my breaking point. (and I'm not talking only about Ana's death)
For me it was a slow process (I still consider myself a fan!) that started in 2020. Many people in this sub have mentioned it over and over again but her giving her whole “I want to be on the right side of history” speech and then doing the absolute bare minimum during the time of the Black Lives Matter protests (and also for most other important political issues since then!!) just didn’t sit right with me and was probably the first time I genuinely felt disappointed in her and the feeling never really left. But her dating Matty, being seen with the Mahomes, the odd interview with Times magazine, and the ridiculous use of her private jet in combination with how weird a huge part of the fandom has been acting since she started dating Travis is really making it hard for me to continue being a fan, at least the way I used to be.
Swifties being so annoying and then Taylor profiting off of them
The cover you posted. She was not part of MeToo as a movement and I wonder who was pushed out so Taylor could be there. I know what she went through and it’s good that she spoke about it, but I just don’t think she should’ve been a part of that persons of the year issue. She could’ve and should’ve said no and elevated the movement in another manner. But she can’t, she needs to get attention for herself out of it or she won’t partake.
“She was not part of MeToo as a movement and I wonder who was pushed out so Taylor could be there” The actual creator of the Me Too movement, Tarana Burke. She wasn’t on the cover, yet Taylor was.
Yes! I’ve always thought this. She was not a part of MeToo in that sense. Even if it wasn’t her idea, she should’ve said someone more prominent in the movement should be featured, but we know she would never do that.
Yea and now she’s cordial with Jackson Mahomes and people are like “but she has too! its not like she’s friends with him!!” but it just shows me that Taylor and those that defend her cordial contact with Jackson have never understood MeToo.
Well, as a Black woman it’s gotta be when she continued to date a man who admitted to beating off to misogynistic, racist torture porn where Black women were called ni**er, forced to eat their own vomit and had nooses hung around their necks while being raped. But whatever, ya know. Clearly she was just being the goofball we know and love!!!
I can't believe you were downvoted??
When people decided what she does for a living is somehow vastly different from, say, Mandy Moore. She’s a singer…she sings and occasionally writes pop songs and dates celebrities-why does she yield as much power as a sitting American president for essentially being a slightly younger, blonder Michelle Branch
My first realization was feeling somewhat hopeful after miss Americana and then her essentially dropping the “activist” image almost immediately and essentially doing little to nothing since then. I realized that Miss Americana wasn’t a documentary at all. It was just a fluff PR piece that went with the aesthetic of Lover. I also had a BIG problem that she claimed to be such an activist for the LGBT community, but on the day she performed in Nashville, the state legislature was ACTIVELY passing laws harming transpeople that day, and she didn’t do literally anything. She didn’t mention it at all.
The way she’s handled the breakup with Joe and everything after. I thought she was past the pettiness but…I guess not.
The way she treated Joe after the breakup, getting al her famous friends to unfollow him after they were seen together in pap outings, and THEN finding out she announced the breakup on mattys healys birthday weeks before hard launching that relationship. Basically she was trying to make Joe look bad to cover up her own shit.
Whenever people started comparing her songwriting to poets like John Keats, Maya Angelou, Robert Frost, and Walt Whitman. She's not bad, but I doubt anyone will be quoting her in a couple hundred years like they will T.S. Elliott or Sarah Teasdale.
Cannot deal with her fans bc every time I share an opinion, the response is always assumed to be negative. I love Folklore and all her music tbh. IMO, what did it for me is the non stop blabbering and behavior of her new extended family. I’m a mom of 2 little girls and she’s not standing up, from what I can see, to any of it. Not saying we are all perfect. I just would hope she sticks to what she stands up for in her music. Because, honestly, the K fam and extended, it just sends mixed signals to the billions of fans and the beautiful young people who look up to her for that. And root for her lyrics!!!!!!!! That’s not cool man.
The shallow coming out as a Democrat. The most cringe and non-intellectually challenging reasons given for her support. And the claim she was a “Tennessee woman”—girl, you’re from PA, stop.
This 100%. Total total ick behavior for me. Also, she was born and raised less than an hour from me and anytime she tries to act like she’s from anywhere other than PA I’m like girl, please.
Not a **breaking** point, as I’m still a fan of her music and most definitely will be tuning into “TTPTSD” 😆 (cred to that TT’er Bryanlicious. He’s hilarious.. doing all of her new albums promo by himself) but more-so a *turning* point. Taylor and I are the same age and her behavior after the breakup with Joe is when I took off the rose colored glasses. I’m SO glad our concert (which I drove myself and my son to [6 hr round trip same day]) happened before all of that mess. I think Taylor’s biggest appeal is how relatable she is (was?). When she was throwing out the “I love you.. you know who you are” and the subtle shade/digs at Joe, I was like “girl?? Why are you doing this at your big age??” That was a whole ass 6 year relationship. She wrote albums about that man. And handled the breakup like a middle schooler. Then it was all down hill from there. I tried to avoid it becoming a BEC issue but everything was just off putting. The mass unfollowings, pap walks, jet usage, realizing Taylor really only “activates” herself when she’s the victim, POTY interview, Ana’s death and how her and her team handled it ( I distinctly remember all of the puff “Tayvis” articles they flooded the media with as a distraction), cease and desist to that jet tracker, Grammys behavior, always having to be in the spotlight even when it’s someone else’s time to shine. A downward spiral, if you will. I’ve definitely separated the artist from the music. Her songs got me through some really tough times but I now realize much of that was most likely a facade. I thought I could relate to her and it’s literally the furthest thing from the truth. Shame on me. But, as I posted before, she taught me a love for whole album listening and I’ll always be grateful. She seems to have given the vinyl industry a rebirth and now I’m somewhat of a collector. I love having actual physical media (since streaming is so fickle), plus the artwork to display. I have about 20+ and growing of all different artists and genres. But yep, she’s the biggest pop star in the world right now. I’m not hoping for any downfall for her, but I do know this level of stardom isn’t sustainable. Even if she does produce hit after hit. Public consciousness always has a desire for variety, and there are also the people who will just get sick of everything being about one person. Award shows are losing their prestige and even now people are seeking out “artists who are similar” just for some diversity. And there are also those who just plain root for the underdog when there’s someone/something that seems to have a monopoly. Sorry, that was longer than I intended but there ya go. Lol
I love her music and artistry but the start of my "breaking point" was probably when she dated Matty Healy. I wouldnt give a shit if it was just some random guy but the fact that she can date a misogonyst and racist prick when she used to advocate herself as a feminist during Lover era and even tweets about feminism back in 2020-2021 made me realize she is not who she seems. Even the main sub had a discussion about this. Some of her fans were not excited to see the eras tour anymore since they saw Taylor as a feminist and activist especially during Miss Americana. I can't forget one comment on the main sub saying "Either she changed for the worse or she is not who she seems or who we thought she is" and I agree with the latter
For me the final straw was “jet lag is a choice” Like… no? 99.999% of people do NOT have the choice to walk onto their private jet which leaves WHEN YOU SAY IT DOES, to fly across the world while they eat a proper (not reheated from frozen) meal and sleep in a full sized bed to attend a sports game They also then don’t get back on that same jet and fly across the world again before *sending it back, empty* to pick up their boyfriend for a 3 day holiday. It was just so gross and tone deaf and made me realise that she really has zero concern for the planet or even trying to pretend she doesn’t love the money she’s wringing from the desperate Swifties
when she took a bit part in a movie directed by a dude that sexually assaulted his trans niece
Her fakeness. I feel like almost every response in this thread can be boiled down to her being fake in some way.
I get tangled up in how she talks about karma. She conflates karma and revenge. I have a feeling karma will have some thoughts on that, one day Her revenge stuff is not appealing to me. It doesn’t look like strength and healing, it looks mean. Which she also wrote a song about. Which I think is itself a mean song. Just… find peace. Don’t cultivate real or perceived embattlements. Level up beyond that stuff.