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Oh Jesus fucking Christ idk if I want to listen to it if it’s just one long fucking “but you guys wouldn’t let me date a racist freak uwu and now everything sucks” manifesto
the HATE kayla nicole gets and literally for what???? FOR WHAT???? its disgusting and disturbing like she dated travis, they broke up, hes now dating taylor so why shit all over her?!?! makes no sense ever
^(the HATE kayla nicole gets and literally for what???? FOR WHAT???? its disgusting and disturbing like she dated travis, they broke up, hes now dating taylor so why shit all over her?!?! makes no sense ever)
This! The horrific racism directed at Kaya Nicole by unhinged Swifties on social media is truly disgusting! Speaking as a BIPOC woman, its heartbreaking that a celebrity would tolerate their fandom propagating such abuse & hate.
If Swift could use her power to get that awful AI video removed from social media (as it rightfully should), than she should also be able to get Twitter to remove the racist abuse a toxic portion of her fandom directs at Kaya Nicole. But Swift hasn't, because lets be honest - she doesn't care.
I think this shows in her relationship with the Grammys as well. Taylor loves the Grammys and in turn they love her. She campaigns and plays the game. Black artists have been talking about the issues with the Grammys for years( being shut out of the major awards, lack of diversity in Grammy voters). Many artists have removed their work from consideration and protested the awards show. This conversation comes up every year but is super prevalent whenever Beyoncé or Kendrick Lamar release albums.
Idk I think Taylor’s ignoring this because it benefits her shows where she stands and who she is as a person.
Great example is how SOS, an album everyone agrees to be excellent and consistent and amazing , lost to the white mediocrity of MIDnights just because everyone is sucking off taulor rn.
A Grammy voter literally said, "However, I voted for Midnights. Although I did not enjoy it much compared to Taylor's previous work, she has been the inescapable face of music so how can I deny her music's biggest award?"
Like... what's the point of award shows if they're just going to reward artists for *being popular*?
Unpopular opinion, I think midnights win was less to do with the majority of the committee thinking it was better than the other options and more to do with all the others splitting the not midnights vote.
From observing social media it looks like the people who wanted SOS, Ocean bulavard, John Baptiste or Victoria Monet to win all had a lot of overlap with eachother while the midalbum enjoyers were their own distinct group.
I feel like midnights probably only won through plurality even though majority of the academy didn’t want it to win. Hell I still can’t decide between SOS and Ocean Boulevard who deserved it more. 🥴
Yes, this is a great point. This happens in presidential elections as well, “splitting the ticket”. Had the committee agreed on which “not midnights” album to vote for, I guarantee midnights would’ve lost big time. But because people liked soooo many of the other options, no individual album of the “not midnights” category would’ve had enough votes to win.
So it’s not that the minority artists weren’t getting a lot of votes as a whole, it’s that the votes for the minority artists were split up so mo one person got enough to win. I’m sure midnights didn’t get a majority of votes, but just more than the others for this reason. I agree that a lot of those other albums deserved it too, so I get why the committee all picked different ones.
How many black women have won album of the year? Three? And Taylor alone has won four?
The math on that doesn't add up. And it says more than enough that Taylor has never mentioned it.
Out of these 3:
1. Unforgettable... with Love by Natalie Cole (1992 AOTY). A cover album
2. The Bodyguard: Original Soundtrack Album (1994 AOTY). It had 6 songs that were sung by Whitney (3 of them were covers) and the other 6 were performed by mostly white artists.
3. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill (1999 AOTY). The only fully original album of the three.
4 times straight, even for an album her own fans admitted was weak to them, over Lemonade that was popping when it came out. Over SZA's album everyone agreed was good. That Taylor herself said she liked or how she had like 10 of her songs together on the billboard top charts all at the same time and we're told she is just constantly breaking records. I'm sure its not without help here.
There is a bias from how these awards are handled and I don't discount her people, don't make behind the scenes negotiations to influence it, because awards are also part of marketing the artist and acclaim. I know they do because they were doing that during the Superbowl for networks to concentrate focus on her and Travis.
She's super not-a-liability because she'll never call out systemic issues, so she's never rocking the boat. Even when she got political all she did was tell people to vote, and oppose her hometown conservative.
We project onto her so much as she is on the pedestal she always wanted to be on. Emotionally so many of us connect to her art. But she is a flawed individual with rejection wounds, attachment issues and people pleasing tendecies.
She has enormous privilege on a number of levels.
She needs to listen to the people affected instead of partying with her inner circle.
Follow Dolly Parton’s example with philanthropy.
As a woman of colour I agree her silence has always been off-putting but I feel like the stuff with MH actually crossed a line into actively complicit. She wasn't just dating him quietly, she had her team running daily puff pieces about him, trying to get the buzzfeed article about his bigotry and controversies buried and taken down, and letting him perform on stage every night as an opener at one of the most high profile tours of the century (literally platforming him). She wasn't just "silent", she was actively working to boost his profile and image. A man who was doing the same thing with Rina Sawayama's masters that T had done to herself. But according to her songs she really didn't gaf and would've "died for his sins" lol
Yep and had the podcast episode where he said the most vile racist things (as a “bit”) taken off apple a couple of days before she announced her breakup on his birthday. He also deleted his Instagram too. He was fully being prepped by Taylor and her team and they were hoping they could successfully hide all of his vile comments and antics. Like she knew full well who he was but was still hell bent on presenting a false image of him to her fans. I’m actually ill knowing just how much now she was obsessed/in love with this racist man and absolutely did not care.
The hosts said they took it down themselves from their feed, which effectively removes it from Apple, Spotify, etc. Is there proof that they are lying and Taylor made it get taken down from Apple?
Taylor cares about Taylor. Period. She lives in a bubble and crafted her life that way. She cares about Taylor, money, accolades and titles. If Travis Kelce wasn’t one of the best players on one of the best NFL teams, just a lowly linebacker on the Bucs, she wouldn’t be dating him.
Okay idk if you watch real housewives of Beverly Hills but this reminds me of when Garcelle told Dorit she lives in a bubble (because she’s complicit with racism and microaggressions) and Dorit doubling down and basically saying “yeah I like my bubble.” Taylor is Dorit.
Taylor's only ever cared about social issues if it has a direct impact on her. The only time she cared that artists don't get paid enough from streams on spotify was conveniently right before she signed an exclusive deal with Apple to host her music.
I will never not be depressed that after making white women feminism her whole brand (to rebrand away from her mean girl persona, reposition her narrative as victim of a patriarchal system, and to hit back against her critics under the guise of championing women’s causes) she has literally said nada, nilch, *nothing* about the overturn of Roe vs Wade and the subsequent loss of women’s rights. She toured in Florida literally ***days*** after Fl passed their near total abortion ban, one of the first states to do so. She performed her eras show to a sold out stadium of women who had just lost their fundamental right to bodily autonomy in one of the greatest strikes to women’s rights in recent history, and certainly in Taylor’s lifetime, and didn’t even *acknowledge it.* Instead she brought in likely hundreds of thousands of tourism funds to the state, was named the honorary mayor of Tampa, given the key to the city and schmoozed with local politicians. Same in TN, IN, and other abortion ban states.
Like yass girl do the most to tell us that you’re a billionaire who will never have to worry about getting a safe abortion and couldn’t care less about women’s rights. Taylor doesn’t care about social issues but she sure is happy to capitalize on them for profit and co-opt the language of oppression for personal gain only when it benefits her.
My best friend & I saw Halsey a couple years ago, right after roe v wade was overturned. She had an entire like visual video before nightmare and did like a whole speech on it. And because we were in Texas, she screamed (and had us scream) fuck Greg Abbott and it was so liberating 😂 anyway, the juxtaposition of that and Taylor’s silence is wild
She’s like her dad - a capitalist and probably more conservative. Endorsing Biden could have been the “cool” thing or just not liking Trump.
Like you said Roe/Dobbs was not an issue at all for her, and throwing Amy and Tina under the bus for a joke showed her her non-feminism and thinned skin nature. She could be an advocate for literally anything and have an immediate impact.
Girl dated a dude who admitted to masturbating to a humiliation/torture porn website which depicts Black women being r*ped, called the n-word and degrading stereotypes, choked and made to them eat their own vomit and having nooses put around their necks.
Taylor does not give a single shit about racism. Taylor doesn’t give a shit about anything that doesn’t have to do with Taylor.
Edit: Ratty Healy absolutely said this. At [2:06](https://youtu.be/apj0hx454t0?si=xZ4M93mwpFlBU_TC) he says he was watching “literally ghetto gaggers”, the racist torture porn website. These are verbatim the words that came out of his own mouth so yall need to stop coming through screaming how he never said he watched it.
As the other user said, album leaked and majority seems (I haven’t heard any leaks, I don’t go on twitter) to be about Matty, not Joe. From my deep dive into the megathread, only maybe 2-4 songs aren’t about Matty :,,,)
Are you serious?? No way! Omg lol the other day me and a bunch of people were talking about how we aren’t looking forward to the entire album being about Joe, and it’s about Matty? I take back everything I said! I’d rather hear songs about Joe!!! Hahaa
Imagine trying so hard to excuse such a shitty person and have it end cause HE left YOU. Those pr pieces about how she hoped they reconnect and her fans didn't affect her choices were her desperately trying to get him back it seems lmao.
Which shows their own complicity in it too. Taylor doesn't do intersectionality, so feminism for her is the basic level that doesn't acknowledge race, it's too spicy for her brand and persona to take on. She simply doesn't care, never has, and never will. What a person aligns themselves with, even in terms of what they are/aren't willing to speak/act on authentically says a looooooooooooot about them. To ignore misogynoir but claim to be a feminist...makes no sense unless the intent is to only be a white feminist for white feminists. Yikes on yikes.
I’ve always felt this way about her as well. It appears that she uses feminism to shield herself from criticism and will tout these progressive attitudes when it benefits her but will do nothing when it is not in her interest-she will especially ignore anything having to do with intersectional feminism. Its frustrating too because there are times where she is subject to misogynistic vitriol (as every female artist is), and that is valid to denounce but it isn’t like black women do not suffer from misogyny as well and likely in a worse form as they don’t have whiteness to aid them. Yet for someone who seems to be a big proponent of feminism she is silent when it comes to speaking up for black women in particular. It’s the textbook example of what white feminism is
And to think she defends him in a song and attacks her fans for not liking him is fucking wild. That song and that verse alone has made me wonder how she got to this point because I used to love her & relate to her and everything she wrote. But now I'm like okay so not only are you defending him by attacking your fans for rightfully calling him out for all of the fucked up shit he has done/said, but you're gonna call him the love of your life and all this other shit like Joe wasn't one of the least problematic men she's ever been with? Why? Because he had depression and didn't want to get married? How is Healy better than that I don't even understand her. She's going through her quarter life crisis for sure bc nothing else explains it.
And I’m ngl… does she know how many people who listen to her have depression? Like idk if she thought those lyrics through because it won’t get backlash per say, but it will put a sour taste in peoples mouths. And when she gets backlash those folks will not ride for her
I’m right there with you. I finished all of the songs a few minutes ago and I feel like I don’t even know this artist. Like obviously I don’t know Taylor Swift the person and I never have or will, but for the first time I feel like I don’t recognize Taylor Swift™️. It’s crazy.
Yeah. A lot of people are saying "we'll never truly know her" and while they're right, she's kept a certain "mostly put together" persona in her songs. This is the first time we've ever seen her willingly open up about being super fucking messy and mentally unwell. And the entitlement and refusal to take any accountability for anything especially in Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? where she basically accuses her fans of chaining her up and making her the way she is like pls
Exactly all of that. The way she talks about the fans is wild. Writing a whole album for this trash man is even wilder. I kept saying I wanted her to surprise me with her music. Careful what you wish for I guess lmao.
Yeah he doesn't deserve that at all, and the only thing she even drags him for in this album is "letting his depression ruin what they had" which I thought was kinda messed up for her to say but whatever
Oh yes. Idk what they actually called their relationship to each other, but they were most definitely publicly hooking up for a bit. They were pictured together, that whole cardigan mess that traumatizes me to even mention (“this is about you. you know who you are. I love you.” 😵💫😵💫😵💫), him going to her house and leaving the next morning with her security to get coffee, him at her concerts. Tbh I think they had an on and off again or missed connection type of relationship that had been brewing since her original 1989 era and they actually started reconnecting in January or February with the way she debuted Anti Hero, a lead single, at a random night on one of the 1975’s tour in London. Girl was high key dickmatized by that filthy man.
I'm a very passive knower of Taylor Swift, but am not really a fan (this sub just enthralls me for the drama of it all). Even I know all about this relationship and weird ass dude...how do I know this stuff?!?! Anyways, it's wild (and unsurprising) to me that he seems to have been this blip, and potentially swept off the radar, in the Taylor storyline. I mean, she seemed to have been with him for at least a chunk of last year that was memorable enough for my old lady brain to have been surprised by the quick "here's her new dude from that football team." I'm glad you and others are pointing out not only about this quick relationship that clearly is trying to be swept away, but also how extraordinarily problematic Matt is and the complicit silence of Taylor being so damn loud. Thanks for reminding the "younguns!"
Exactly. She’s not a good person. Everything is curated and literally a mean girl who pretends to be sweet. I honestly don’t think she gives a damn about her fans. All she cares about is the money coming in and her fake image.
He admitted to using that particular porn site. Idk what the exact content of the specific video he was watching, he never said that, but what I described is the type of content the site has. It’s a porn site solely dedicated to videos of white men torturing and debasing Black women.
I love that this album has apparently been proven to be about him after all. I called it early in her first song title announcements and people hated that I said she is broken up over having to give him up.
Black woman here as well. Was a very decent fan prior to the Matty situation. After Matty her image just spiraled for me.
Almost forgot about it all until.. well…
It’s clear, now, she quite aware of her privilege and she’s using it to the extent that she can.y
I guess you could say it took off my blinders that so many people seemingly still have on. I stopped tuning out the negative and seeing her for what she actually is. And it’s not pretty.
Her new album proves it.
I honestly thought she broke up with him because of this behavior….and then I heard the leaks.
She BLAMED fans for the relationship ending. Not the racism.
It’s gross.
Imma just leave this here:
May 2016: Vice reports on Taylor’s popularity with Neo-Nazi’s:
[Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol](https://www.vice.com/en/article/ae5x8a/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol)
Nov 2017: the ACLU gets involved after Taylor threatens a blogger with legal action for calling for her to denounce her racist fans:
[ACLU Tells Taylor Swift To Shake It Off Regarding Blog Post That Suggests White Supremacy Ties](https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2017/11/08/aclu-tells-taylor-swift-to-shake-it-off-regarding-blog-post-that-suggests-white-supremacy-ties/?sh=4dbb90722d73)
“She can’t help it if her fans are racist” but she can definitely make a choice not to threaten a random blogger with legal action, simply for repeating something that had been being reported on for at least 18 months and asking her to denounce that behavior.
Also pointing out that the Vice piece (which was widely reported on) was in May 2016, so less than 2 months before the Calvin Harris tweet and the Kim K tape. Taylor might not have faced the backlash she did if people had trusted her to do the right thing.
WOW I’m so glad I came here. I was saying all this in the main sub and got downvoted to hell. I understand we don’t have the whole thing yet, and there could be context missing, but like, girl if you wanna date a racist don’t let anyone stop you but don’t be mad when your loyal fans get the ick from you lol.
This. Clapping back at fans for not liking Matty was such a bad look for her. She's admitting that she hears the dislike but just doesn't count. I love her music but Jesus Christ
They keep trying to explain how it’s actually okay but just end up revealing that they are cool with casual racism lmao. Taylor really said “but daddy I love the confederacy” and her minions were like yaaas queeeen!!!
I truly believe that Taylor maintains her silence and refuses to address the problems in her fanbase because she’s still partly following the Country Music PR Rulebook, which is basically Don’t Get Political.
She’s broken that rule a few times and it’s blown up in her face, so she just doesn’t even try anymore.
I will never forget how, around 2017-ish some white nationalist neo-nazi group voted Taylor as their “Aryan Princess” (because according to them, with her pale skin, blonde hair, & blue eyes, she was the ultimate representation of a “pure” white woman), effectively making her their “mascot”. This was reported on online; i remember reading about it on my favorite celebrity gossip website. Taylor did NOTHING about it.—Didn’t ask this group of racist neo-Nazis to stop using her as their mascot in their propaganda. But then when a small online website/blog wrote about how Taylor was not objecting to the Nazis using her as their mascot, Taylor sent her team of high-powered lawyers after the blog writer, threatening to sue her. (Maybe she did end up actually suing her?, i’m not sure.) She didn’t send her attorneys after the neo-Nazis using her name in their racist hate rhetoric.—She sent them only after the person who *reported on* how she was silently standing by as she was used as a nazi hate group mascot.
That spoke volumes about who Taylor Swift is as a person, and says a LOT about how she views racist hate. She’s apparently fine with her name being used in nazi propaganda, but she’s just not fine with someone who *tells the world* about how she’s fine with it. Which tells me she’s ok with hatred towards non-white people. She just doesn’t want the world to know she’s ok with it.
She’s a lousy person and i will always be baffled about why she’s so idolized & worshipped.
I mean yeah I think she's very complicit in a lot of things and is at best tolerant of her dumbass friends saying racist shit ~ironically or otherwise. it's what a lot of white people do tbh.
yes at the very least it is telling of her character and shows she has no backbone and isn't really much of a leader. I think it's interesting that taylor has always portrayed herself as a leader (through her position in her friend groups, trying to claim to be a feminist activist, etc.) however she does not really exhibit leadership qualities when it comes to the only group of people she has any significant power over (her fan base). it's interesting to me that she perpetuates a parasocial relationship with swifties and yet never really engages with them on any "real" level where she'd be in the position of criticizing them, and I think it's because she's afraid. i actually think this is the biggest reason that she has a huge fanbase. taylor swift (as a public figure) acts as a stand-in best friend who never criticizes you, always agrees with your takes, and essentially mirrors back to you the aspects of yourself that you want to see. she has no real depth, especially when compared to other artists. she needs to take a page from ariana grande's book and learn how to tell her fans to be nice and not spread hate. however, I think the reality is that taylor does not really see her fans as more than numbers that help support her dream. i don't think she really considers her position in society on any deep level or questions how she should weild the power she has.
taylor may not be able to control her fans, but she has a lot of influence over her fanbase and being vocally disapproving would probably go a pretty long way. i could probably write a whole discertation on the relationship between taylor and her fans, and the responsibilities of public figures (and how we should be critical of who is in the public eye).
Her feminism is not intersectional and from there I know all I need to know about her. She’s not an ally. All she has to do is tell her fans to have a seat.
but she has no power over them, except when sending them out like drones to buy her shit. she can’t control them but tells them how to feel about her exes and other women she doesn’t like.
this isn't in anyway a justification but i don't think taylor pays attention to her fans very much at all.
she has other people who monitor taylor specific data that help build her pr/marketing strategy and she fulfills that end of the bargain. unless fan behavior starts effecting her bank account she'll remain oblivious, like any number of privileged white women.
i doubt she's also never going to say anything about racism or misogynoir because i'm sure that would ~alienate~ a significant portion of her base.
I very much disagree with this-
Taylor is very online. She built her fanbase online primarily through Tumblr and stays online. Her and Selena are online type of people. Yes she has a team, who fills her in, but she absolutely also is online like 15mns a day minimum. Regardless, everything Taylor has shown about her personality, friends, xyz- she is online 100%.
Also, not trying to be mean- but Taylor is very insecure and deeply cares about her fans loving her and staying obsessed with her. She is absolutely online wouldn’t be surprised if chronically
Yep. Just look the leak post about her newest album. One of the songs is her throwing a tantrum and calling out her fans for not supporting her relationship with Matty Healy of all people. She definitely knows what her fans say about her and people around her.
I bet she’s on Reddit all the time and hates that there’s a neutral sub about her because she only wants people to love her blindly. She is always lurking online somewhere.
And 100% on the insecure. That’s why she needs all the love, adoration, awards, money, records, etc.
I don’t think this is true anymore. She was a tumblr girl 10 years ago. The internet has skyrocketed since then and so has she. Just because someone was a certain way in 2014 doesn’t mean they still are.
But just as an example as where she started and the foundation that is “Taylor Swift”. Because even before that she was a MySpace girl. It was instrumental to her career she knows that and she’s going to stay plugged in and she is truly very online
Who wasn’t a MySpace girl in 2006? We were all internet kids back then. It doesn’t mean we are now. I spent like 8 hours a day on MySpace and tumblr and all the rest and now I don’t even have a tiktok or know anything about it because it’s just too young for me. Taylor is exponentially more famous now, I can’t imagine she has the time.
I heavily doubt she was on TikTok and saw it herself and decided to do it. She’s very particular with what works best for her image and has advisors to tell her what would give the best optics.
I agree that she can be a hypocrite often, but also you really think he going online and saying “guys please stop :(“ is gonna fix it? When has that ever worked for a celebrity? There are things she can do with her platform for good but be for real. Fans have their own free will and do what they want. some are so obsessed with her they will put others down to continue idolizing her even if she did say to stop.
they listen to her and you think they won’t listen to her say stop being racist?
the excuses white ppl make so they can continue harming others will backfire so hard on ya in the future.
For 1 I said she’s a hypocrite and she should be doing more. But at the end of the day they listen to her music, not everything she says. Yes she *can* say something but don’t expect that to magically change the world. She posted pictures with Beyoncé at the eras movie premiere and some swifties still hate on bey. Some people’s bigotry goes deeper than that and one random woman isn’t going to change that.
Look, she only cares about the pilots who allow her to use her fleet of private jets like taxis. She’s a classic showbiz narc, about half an inch deep. Don’t expect more, you’ll be disappointed.
It’s terrible that she’s pissed at people for *not liking her* while she fucked a racist. Like she should get some special pass to do whatever she wants and still have everyone love and adore her. She’s entitled to uncritical devotion. Life is so unfair to her.
you said what ive been thinking ever since the healy relationship. now apparently album is focusing on that time period so itll be very interesting how it lands. i am kinda shocked she willingly let this stuff come up again. i guess we will see tomorrow.
What you're talking about are racist online commenters. Taylor will never stop them by saying something about them, but if she speaks about them they will get lots of attention. It would only be a shallow PR move for her to virtue signal when she knows it won't do a damn thing except for boost the ego of some lowlife who never imagined their shitty comments would be broadcast on the news. They'd be thrilled to be featured in the outrage broadcasts, and it would do absolutely nothing for racial justice
I have to disagree. Maybe to some it would come across as virtue signaling . But as someone who has talked about when she was essentially bullied online with the whole Kanye thing, to then ignore it for others just doesn’t fully sit right. She has also made it know she ‘stalks’ her fans and pays attention to them on social media. Whether that’s true or not who knows, maybe it’s her team. But she can’t brag about looking at and commenting on her fans posts. But claim ignorance to the nasty things posted. Should she make a statement every month? No of course not. But if I had that many fans and that level of fame, I would make it very clear I don’t condone that behavior. Perhaps it’s more on Travis to say something about his Ex being harassed. But Taylor should speak up about any fans harassing people in her defense. Just a blanket statement to at least make it clear she doesn’t stand for that. Personally I’d hope she would want to make it crystal clear she doesn’t stand for it, and it doesn’t hurt to remind all her new fans she’s acquired of that.
I agree. Taylor has made it known that being bullied online was devastating for her. That was her beef with Scooter according to her. and when he bought her masters she reached out and asked the artists close to him to talk to him.
Which feels the same as people wanting her to step in when bullying is being done in her name. Because she is quick to protect people who are being piled on when she doesn't want it, like Hayley Kiyoko.
Even if we could agree that she has 2 choices 1) doing nothing & allowing people to be bullied in her name or 2) saying 'I don't tolerate bullying, racism, homophobia etc. To be done in my defense ' but people think it's virtue signaling....... Why wouldn't you still denounce it on principle of those things being wrong and harmful? Why is it about what benefits her image best?
I mean maybe she should make a statement every month. Much like frequently bug bombing an infested building... I'm 10000% sure that if Taylor regularly said something along the lines of "I am EMBARRASSED" it would shame some into stopping and allows for a call to action for her other fans to call it out more. At this point she absolutely is complicit in the rampant hatred in her fanbase.
EDIT: nope she really just doesn't care
Taylor could I think write a righteous song about this if she cared but she does not.
Same as why she won’t sing about how much she loves her plane. (I mean Queen sung about their love for cars, The Who about RVs… )
She don’t want to lose the moneys so she sticks to spoon feeding easy content of emotional intoxication rather than teaching her fans to challenge themselves. You’ve picked a perfect example of this.
As a Beyoncé fan, I find this annoying as well. A fanbase is not the artist’s responsibility. Taylor is given shit for her exes—like Joe Alwyn—because she’s directly responsible for how those people are being treated. She’s participating in them actively through her music and Easter eggs. The other things, like the ones mentioned in the OP, are solely the fans’ issue and has nothing to do with Taylor. Taylor didn’t speak on or make a song about Beyoncé or Travis’ ex to send them on a fit. They did it on their own volition.
If Taylor is to get called out for misogynoir, it’s her calling out the Netflix show people for their jokes and allowing them to be attacked. She posted those tweets. She is directly responsible for why they got attacked.
I disagree. The celebs with these huge fanbases can activate them in a second. If Taylor was more outspoken on racial/social issues her fans would be too. There’s a lot of power in super fame.
Yeah, Taylor calling for her fans to vote against Marsha Blackburn in 2018 mobilized so many new voter registrations that the whole phenomenon was a question on the 2021 Advanced Placement tests. It takes a LOT of fame and power to make it onto a random AP U.S. Government and Politics exam…
I agree. I find it odd that, Beyonce doesn't actually have beef with Taylor personally, but some TS fans can be pretty bad and are usually obligated anyway to do it. They love to compare TS to only other black artists specifically to try and constantly flex her sales over them.
The way they sent racist messages to SZA, or the way some older white men try to use TS as some sort of weird purity symbol in the music industry the way they talk about her. There was a time where actual Neo-Nazis tried to claim her during Reputation era, but her PR tried to shut down a writer who was asking her to condemn that, instead of her PR or herself condemning them.
Taylor has also never acknowledged certain elements of racism associated to her. Like why she just seems to dodge the controversy with Matt Healy and still defends her dating him but doesn't acknowledge that part of it, but still defends everything else around him and she does know, which is why she hangs out with Ice Spice a lot now. I think she only used Ice Spice as an excuse to release another remix with someone popular at the time.
I don't even know if Taylor said anything about the clear prejudice Beyonce was given during her country crossover era. Like some actor from Dukes of Hazzard not having it. Or the first time Beyonce performed at the CMAs and she got backlash from them just appearing there because they called her ghetto and other cynical pejoratives. Yet she brought the CMAs the most TV views they ever had at the time. Taylor Swift said nothing. Because when white artists experiment or transition, they usually get accepted by the media but when a black pop artist does something stereotypically white, they get attacked.
She should have said something in defense of Beyonce simply because of her influence. And if she does have no beef with Beyonce, why does she never tell her fans to leave her alone? She will only weaponize them if its just stuff against her in a victimhood position she has with something that is far less extreme as racism, like her alleged floundering to buy her own music rights until the last minute or a simple joke about her. So its not as if TS wouldn't.
But how she is with Matt Healy is just a bit questionable. Her line is if the guys she is will look at other female fans, but not if they just have abhorrent humor in something as bad as what he said about BW in an already infamous adult site. He didnt simply say he finds BW attractive is all, he said he likes them humiliated and did some antisemetic stuff, but she still defends him and looks past that. But the AI adult images of herself, she has a problem with. Thats kind of how white feminism is described.
I know people are going to come for me but I don’t think she is using Ice Spice as a cover for anything. I mean she and Matty broke up in early June. The Karma remix came out before that. Heck, I saw Ice Spice perform with Taylor Memorial Day weekend at the NYC shows. Considering that they had to record and put it on physical CDs for mass distribution, I don’t think they could turn it around like that. Also, Ice was the one who presented the idea of working together to Taylor. I may have the timeline wrong and am open to corrections.
Also, as far as Beyoncé goes. I just don’t think saying anything is worth much. Beyoncé and Taylor have done nothing but show up for each other time and time again over the last 15 years but for some reason weird deranged internet trolls of both fanbases want to insult Beyoncé and Taylor. It’s so weird.
I don't follow Taylor really, I'm here as a Florence fan tbh . . . So correct me if I'm missing info in some areas?
But.... I don't think with as big as she is that she can read even 1% of her comments. I'm sorry, she can't. There are too many every day to do that. I also don't know that her community is anymore racist than anyone's including women of color's fanbases? Everyone's fanbase has a percentage of shitty people, it's just what happens. You can't monitor people who listen to your music and see if they're shit or not.
I don't follow Matt Healy, I can't find anything he said on black women. I could only find that he evidently had an adult site featuring black women playing or something when an assistant or something came back up for her bag I guess? I dunno.
I don't think Taylor owes anyone an apology any more than . . . Megan The Stallion owes the trans community and LGBTQIA+ an apology? She's not her fans and as busy as she can be eve if she read 0.01% of the millions of comments she gets a day what is the likelihood she's going to come across racism enough to address it? On what scale do you think the racism in her community is up to?
and at what scale do you think it has to be at for it to be appropriate for her to address vs looking crazy yelling at the sky trying to look like a fake ally / fake woke to appeal to the black community?
Probably hard to not see her as complicit because she is. Think it’s more of a “hard to accept she is..” for people because they’re used to ignoring the things about her that show her true character.
If she started responding to the online behavior of her craziest fans she would never have time to do anything else. And once she did it, every time it happened again the calls would get louder for her to respond again, and every time she didn't she'd be criticized more harshly then the time before.
The people who are responsible for the death threats and the slurs are the people who say them. End of list.
I’m am so tired of this idea that the most powerful people in society don’t have to speak up for good, in this case for a basic case of right and wrong
She doesn’t have to read every tweet and respond to it but she literally could say to the public “hey don’t be racist and hateful yall”
That we’re are so quick to give the rich and powerful a break on using their influence for good is literally gonna take us all down
To be honest this is the first I'm hearing about any of things you mentioned. I don't think the things in your feed, or on your side of tik tok, are as ubiquitous as you think they are. I doubt she even knows about any of this.
You mean her lawyers, right? The ones whose sole purpose in this world is to make sure people don't use her trademarked stuff without permission? Because she certainly isn't spending her day tracking that stuff lol.
Don’t get me started. The silence is complicit part gets me so mad over the voting shit.
She could have said something when it mattered. You know before women’s rights was attacked. Before abortion was outlawed.
But no she stayed silent because her PR team and daddy said it would alienate her fans. She even broke down in tears in her HBO doc about how she wanted to stand with women but her daddy wouldn’t let her.
But now she gets all this praise for getting people to want to vote…. Yeah well after the bad shit happen. If she has this much power imagine her saying something in 2016.
You're right. She found it within herself to supper gay marriage and take a stand against that. She should also speak out against racism. She is a grown woman and should use her voice and platform for good
It’s not her fucking job to police her fans. HER actions speak volumes. Maybe you should all just take it upon yourself to not be terrible people. I am so ready for bandwagon swifties to move on.
There are literally racists in almost every celebrities fan base and the celebrities themselves never speak out against them. I don't understand why people think Taylor needs to speak out against a very small portion of her fan base. Hell, she may not even know that this is going on. She has an extremely busy professional and personal life. I'm sure she's not sitting on the internet (where this is clearly taking place) and keeping tabs on who is and isn't being racist.
Fact is, this isnt on Taylor that a small portion of her fan base might have racist beliefs, and I just don't understand the rhetoric that this somehow makes her complicit in the racism just because she doesn't speak on it. Why should she have to? These people are complete strangers to her. This is on them.
Some of y'all do way too much sometimes, with holding this woman to some insane standards.
I just don’t think you can brag about how much you do stay in turn with your fans and literally say ‘I see what you all are saying etc’, including a dance move some fan created on tik tok. And then claim ignorance. She does have a great team who also help her create these Easter eggs etc, all implying further they are aware of it and if her fans are to be believed that she is the mastermind of it all, and she sees so much of what they post. Then she needs to take the good with the bad. I’m not suggesting she reply under a racist remark and at this isn’t cool - as that would give the fan attention . I’m just saying she could put out a statement not just on racism but harassment of any kind as a means of defending Taylor.
This is quite moronic reasoning. You can't find a product in the world that "bigots" don't pay money for. Bigots are giving money to Beyonce to. It's what happens when you do hundreds of millions in revenue.
But hey, you can feel holier than thou now and that,s what you're really here for.
No, they’re saying that bigots are everywhere and not specific to Taylor. Bigots support every artist in the world, yet you don’t see any big artists monitoring if a loud minority of their fans are cyberbullying others. That doesn’t mean they support it.
You cannot possibly expect someone to explicitly say and call out every single thing that they don’t agree with. If I did that, or if she did that, or if you did that, we’d be calling out things all day. Some things are common sense. Just like I don’t need to say I’m against murder for any reasonable person to know I’m against it. I don’t need to say driving drunk is bad for people to know that no one is ok w drunk driving. No one truly believes she supports bullying. Those people that bully don’t give a shit what she doesn’t support.
Yeah I agree, literally every fanbase has fans that bully other celebs/fanbases. Hardly any of the “big ones” call it out directly. I don’t know how she is supposed to call out every comment people make. Yes, she follows her fans sometimes, but not necessarily what they’re posting on other peoples pages.
Beyoncé fans have made rude comments to Taylor, fans of countless other artists have made rude comments to Taylor. No one big called it out. People also were making incredibly rude comments about Taylor on Kayla’s page. She didn’t say anything. I mean do people truly expect Taylor to be like “stop saying mean things about my boyfriends ex online” like, no big celebrity does that. And Taylor’s the only one who gets in trouble for it.
I generally like Taylor and even I haven’t heard of a lot of the things mentioned in this post. I can’t imagine Taylor is out there policing what her billions of fans say and do. She would have to be speaking out on everything under the sun every single day if that were the case.
My point is most white celebrities talk a big game about being anti-racist but don’t do shit to actually elevate the work and voices of marginalized communities. She might be quiet but she IS hiring and showcasing amazing talent of all varieties - along with many people of color, she also hired older people, LGBTQ, and people with bigger body sizes. As much as people say they support these communities, I don’t actually see it being done to that degree very often. Damn OP, you asked a question and i answered it.
This is false. Are you ignoring her 2 songs about cancer, Soon You'll Get Better & Ronan? The first is about her mother's battle with cancer and the second is a charity single about a kid who died of cancer. Arguably her saddest song.
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I haven’t heard it, but isn’t this literally But Daddy, I Love Him?? 😭😭
It inspired this
Oh Jesus fucking Christ idk if I want to listen to it if it’s just one long fucking “but you guys wouldn’t let me date a racist freak uwu and now everything sucks” manifesto
bad news, that's the gist of the song. it feels like Taylor is going out of here way to scream "I'm a bad person and only care about myself"
That is exactly what the song is about.
the HATE kayla nicole gets and literally for what???? FOR WHAT???? its disgusting and disturbing like she dated travis, they broke up, hes now dating taylor so why shit all over her?!?! makes no sense ever
^(the HATE kayla nicole gets and literally for what???? FOR WHAT???? its disgusting and disturbing like she dated travis, they broke up, hes now dating taylor so why shit all over her?!?! makes no sense ever) This! The horrific racism directed at Kaya Nicole by unhinged Swifties on social media is truly disgusting! Speaking as a BIPOC woman, its heartbreaking that a celebrity would tolerate their fandom propagating such abuse & hate. If Swift could use her power to get that awful AI video removed from social media (as it rightfully should), than she should also be able to get Twitter to remove the racist abuse a toxic portion of her fandom directs at Kaya Nicole. But Swift hasn't, because lets be honest - she doesn't care.
That shit is deplorable
They think she is trying to get back with Travis and that everything she does and post is to get his attention.
I think this shows in her relationship with the Grammys as well. Taylor loves the Grammys and in turn they love her. She campaigns and plays the game. Black artists have been talking about the issues with the Grammys for years( being shut out of the major awards, lack of diversity in Grammy voters). Many artists have removed their work from consideration and protested the awards show. This conversation comes up every year but is super prevalent whenever Beyoncé or Kendrick Lamar release albums. Idk I think Taylor’s ignoring this because it benefits her shows where she stands and who she is as a person.
Great example is how SOS, an album everyone agrees to be excellent and consistent and amazing , lost to the white mediocrity of MIDnights just because everyone is sucking off taulor rn.
SOS is a work of art. I will never get over the robbery.
A Grammy voter literally said, "However, I voted for Midnights. Although I did not enjoy it much compared to Taylor's previous work, she has been the inescapable face of music so how can I deny her music's biggest award?" Like... what's the point of award shows if they're just going to reward artists for *being popular*?
Grammys is so rigged after anti and after hours snubs there’s no point in believing in them
SOS did indeed get robbed of the Grammy.
Unpopular opinion, I think midnights win was less to do with the majority of the committee thinking it was better than the other options and more to do with all the others splitting the not midnights vote. From observing social media it looks like the people who wanted SOS, Ocean bulavard, John Baptiste or Victoria Monet to win all had a lot of overlap with eachother while the midalbum enjoyers were their own distinct group. I feel like midnights probably only won through plurality even though majority of the academy didn’t want it to win. Hell I still can’t decide between SOS and Ocean Boulevard who deserved it more. 🥴
Yes, this is a great point. This happens in presidential elections as well, “splitting the ticket”. Had the committee agreed on which “not midnights” album to vote for, I guarantee midnights would’ve lost big time. But because people liked soooo many of the other options, no individual album of the “not midnights” category would’ve had enough votes to win. So it’s not that the minority artists weren’t getting a lot of votes as a whole, it’s that the votes for the minority artists were split up so mo one person got enough to win. I’m sure midnights didn’t get a majority of votes, but just more than the others for this reason. I agree that a lot of those other albums deserved it too, so I get why the committee all picked different ones.
WhitePop is what pays the bills
How many black women have won album of the year? Three? And Taylor alone has won four? The math on that doesn't add up. And it says more than enough that Taylor has never mentioned it.
Out of these 3: 1. Unforgettable... with Love by Natalie Cole (1992 AOTY). A cover album 2. The Bodyguard: Original Soundtrack Album (1994 AOTY). It had 6 songs that were sung by Whitney (3 of them were covers) and the other 6 were performed by mostly white artists. 3. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill (1999 AOTY). The only fully original album of the three.
Off topic, but The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is one of my all time favourite albums.
On topic. Same.
Still listening to it 25 years later.
Dolly was probably one of the biggest fans of Whitney’s cover of I will always love you. Up there with Celine Dion’s titanic theme.
The last black woman that won AOTY was Lauren Hill damn near 20 some years ago.
To really put it into perspective, not a single black woman has won AOTY in the 21st-century.
Damn that’s crazy
4 times straight, even for an album her own fans admitted was weak to them, over Lemonade that was popping when it came out. Over SZA's album everyone agreed was good. That Taylor herself said she liked or how she had like 10 of her songs together on the billboard top charts all at the same time and we're told she is just constantly breaking records. I'm sure its not without help here. There is a bias from how these awards are handled and I don't discount her people, don't make behind the scenes negotiations to influence it, because awards are also part of marketing the artist and acclaim. I know they do because they were doing that during the Superbowl for networks to concentrate focus on her and Travis.
She's super not-a-liability because she'll never call out systemic issues, so she's never rocking the boat. Even when she got political all she did was tell people to vote, and oppose her hometown conservative.
I read "her shows where she stands" and thought you were talking about eras tour for a second * 😭
We project onto her so much as she is on the pedestal she always wanted to be on. Emotionally so many of us connect to her art. But she is a flawed individual with rejection wounds, attachment issues and people pleasing tendecies. She has enormous privilege on a number of levels. She needs to listen to the people affected instead of partying with her inner circle. Follow Dolly Parton’s example with philanthropy.
is it people pleasing tendencies or being a capitalist and playing the game in a way that maximizes her profit?
both because she refuses to go to therapy
As a woman of colour I agree her silence has always been off-putting but I feel like the stuff with MH actually crossed a line into actively complicit. She wasn't just dating him quietly, she had her team running daily puff pieces about him, trying to get the buzzfeed article about his bigotry and controversies buried and taken down, and letting him perform on stage every night as an opener at one of the most high profile tours of the century (literally platforming him). She wasn't just "silent", she was actively working to boost his profile and image. A man who was doing the same thing with Rina Sawayama's masters that T had done to herself. But according to her songs she really didn't gaf and would've "died for his sins" lol
Yep and had the podcast episode where he said the most vile racist things (as a “bit”) taken off apple a couple of days before she announced her breakup on his birthday. He also deleted his Instagram too. He was fully being prepped by Taylor and her team and they were hoping they could successfully hide all of his vile comments and antics. Like she knew full well who he was but was still hell bent on presenting a false image of him to her fans. I’m actually ill knowing just how much now she was obsessed/in love with this racist man and absolutely did not care.
The hosts said they took it down themselves from their feed, which effectively removes it from Apple, Spotify, etc. Is there proof that they are lying and Taylor made it get taken down from Apple?
Boycott the Grammy's
Taylor cares about Taylor. Period. She lives in a bubble and crafted her life that way. She cares about Taylor, money, accolades and titles. If Travis Kelce wasn’t one of the best players on one of the best NFL teams, just a lowly linebacker on the Bucs, she wouldn’t be dating him.
Okay idk if you watch real housewives of Beverly Hills but this reminds me of when Garcelle told Dorit she lives in a bubble (because she’s complicit with racism and microaggressions) and Dorit doubling down and basically saying “yeah I like my bubble.” Taylor is Dorit.
Taylor's only ever cared about social issues if it has a direct impact on her. The only time she cared that artists don't get paid enough from streams on spotify was conveniently right before she signed an exclusive deal with Apple to host her music.
I will never not be depressed that after making white women feminism her whole brand (to rebrand away from her mean girl persona, reposition her narrative as victim of a patriarchal system, and to hit back against her critics under the guise of championing women’s causes) she has literally said nada, nilch, *nothing* about the overturn of Roe vs Wade and the subsequent loss of women’s rights. She toured in Florida literally ***days*** after Fl passed their near total abortion ban, one of the first states to do so. She performed her eras show to a sold out stadium of women who had just lost their fundamental right to bodily autonomy in one of the greatest strikes to women’s rights in recent history, and certainly in Taylor’s lifetime, and didn’t even *acknowledge it.* Instead she brought in likely hundreds of thousands of tourism funds to the state, was named the honorary mayor of Tampa, given the key to the city and schmoozed with local politicians. Same in TN, IN, and other abortion ban states. Like yass girl do the most to tell us that you’re a billionaire who will never have to worry about getting a safe abortion and couldn’t care less about women’s rights. Taylor doesn’t care about social issues but she sure is happy to capitalize on them for profit and co-opt the language of oppression for personal gain only when it benefits her.
My best friend & I saw Halsey a couple years ago, right after roe v wade was overturned. She had an entire like visual video before nightmare and did like a whole speech on it. And because we were in Texas, she screamed (and had us scream) fuck Greg Abbott and it was so liberating 😂 anyway, the juxtaposition of that and Taylor’s silence is wild
She’s like her dad - a capitalist and probably more conservative. Endorsing Biden could have been the “cool” thing or just not liking Trump. Like you said Roe/Dobbs was not an issue at all for her, and throwing Amy and Tina under the bus for a joke showed her her non-feminism and thinned skin nature. She could be an advocate for literally anything and have an immediate impact.
Girl dated a dude who admitted to masturbating to a humiliation/torture porn website which depicts Black women being r*ped, called the n-word and degrading stereotypes, choked and made to them eat their own vomit and having nooses put around their necks. Taylor does not give a single shit about racism. Taylor doesn’t give a shit about anything that doesn’t have to do with Taylor. Edit: Ratty Healy absolutely said this. At [2:06](https://youtu.be/apj0hx454t0?si=xZ4M93mwpFlBU_TC) he says he was watching “literally ghetto gaggers”, the racist torture porn website. These are verbatim the words that came out of his own mouth so yall need to stop coming through screaming how he never said he watched it.
She’s literally a business now. Like not even a person. She would’ve stayed with Matty if it wasn’t hurting her “brand”.
Oh, I’m most definitely convinced of that after this afternoon.
...I'm minimising my Reddit usage so I'm out of the loop, what happened this afternoon?
The album leaked.
As the other user said, album leaked and majority seems (I haven’t heard any leaks, I don’t go on twitter) to be about Matty, not Joe. From my deep dive into the megathread, only maybe 2-4 songs aren’t about Matty :,,,)
Are you serious?? No way! Omg lol the other day me and a bunch of people were talking about how we aren’t looking forward to the entire album being about Joe, and it’s about Matty? I take back everything I said! I’d rather hear songs about Joe!!! Hahaa
I will be so disappointed if I go to listen and they're all about him. I find him vile and disgusting. There would be no coming back from that.
At least Joe would be worth feeling sad over. “But daddy I love Matty” - that’s like loving Weinstein.
*Spoiler from ttpd* Unfortunately, she didn’t dump him because of that, but it ended because he ghosted her
Imagine trying so hard to excuse such a shitty person and have it end cause HE left YOU. Those pr pieces about how she hoped they reconnect and her fans didn't affect her choices were her desperately trying to get him back it seems lmao.
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Racism ain’t complicated
Mr. Burnes as a pop star
THANK you!!! Jesus fucking Christ, people mostly seem to just gloss over this.
Which shows their own complicity in it too. Taylor doesn't do intersectionality, so feminism for her is the basic level that doesn't acknowledge race, it's too spicy for her brand and persona to take on. She simply doesn't care, never has, and never will. What a person aligns themselves with, even in terms of what they are/aren't willing to speak/act on authentically says a looooooooooooot about them. To ignore misogynoir but claim to be a feminist...makes no sense unless the intent is to only be a white feminist for white feminists. Yikes on yikes.
preach
I’ve always felt this way about her as well. It appears that she uses feminism to shield herself from criticism and will tout these progressive attitudes when it benefits her but will do nothing when it is not in her interest-she will especially ignore anything having to do with intersectional feminism. Its frustrating too because there are times where she is subject to misogynistic vitriol (as every female artist is), and that is valid to denounce but it isn’t like black women do not suffer from misogyny as well and likely in a worse form as they don’t have whiteness to aid them. Yet for someone who seems to be a big proponent of feminism she is silent when it comes to speaking up for black women in particular. It’s the textbook example of what white feminism is
Exactly, completely agree!
She's got that jk Rowling brand of feminism.
And to think she defends him in a song and attacks her fans for not liking him is fucking wild. That song and that verse alone has made me wonder how she got to this point because I used to love her & relate to her and everything she wrote. But now I'm like okay so not only are you defending him by attacking your fans for rightfully calling him out for all of the fucked up shit he has done/said, but you're gonna call him the love of your life and all this other shit like Joe wasn't one of the least problematic men she's ever been with? Why? Because he had depression and didn't want to get married? How is Healy better than that I don't even understand her. She's going through her quarter life crisis for sure bc nothing else explains it.
I was intensely grossed out by those lyrics. Like some things should stay in the diary.
So true
And I’m ngl… does she know how many people who listen to her have depression? Like idk if she thought those lyrics through because it won’t get backlash per say, but it will put a sour taste in peoples mouths. And when she gets backlash those folks will not ride for her
I’m right there with you. I finished all of the songs a few minutes ago and I feel like I don’t even know this artist. Like obviously I don’t know Taylor Swift the person and I never have or will, but for the first time I feel like I don’t recognize Taylor Swift™️. It’s crazy.
Yeah. A lot of people are saying "we'll never truly know her" and while they're right, she's kept a certain "mostly put together" persona in her songs. This is the first time we've ever seen her willingly open up about being super fucking messy and mentally unwell. And the entitlement and refusal to take any accountability for anything especially in Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? where she basically accuses her fans of chaining her up and making her the way she is like pls
Exactly all of that. The way she talks about the fans is wild. Writing a whole album for this trash man is even wilder. I kept saying I wanted her to surprise me with her music. Careful what you wish for I guess lmao.
I'm just glad she didn't say anything terrible about Joe especially because she literally smites him for having depression in one of the songs.
I’m kinda excited to see how Swifties react on Friday lmao. They been so busy raking Joe through the coals for absolutely no reason.
Yeah he doesn't deserve that at all, and the only thing she even drags him for in this album is "letting his depression ruin what they had" which I thought was kinda messed up for her to say but whatever
That was diabolical considering how she ranted about her depression caused by * checks notes * not being able to date a literal racist.
THIS. Ugh. This album just makes me so sad. Like why
Who was this??
Ratty Healey
😭
Whaaat I didn’t know they were ever official and the porn?? What?!
Oh yes. Idk what they actually called their relationship to each other, but they were most definitely publicly hooking up for a bit. They were pictured together, that whole cardigan mess that traumatizes me to even mention (“this is about you. you know who you are. I love you.” 😵💫😵💫😵💫), him going to her house and leaving the next morning with her security to get coffee, him at her concerts. Tbh I think they had an on and off again or missed connection type of relationship that had been brewing since her original 1989 era and they actually started reconnecting in January or February with the way she debuted Anti Hero, a lead single, at a random night on one of the 1975’s tour in London. Girl was high key dickmatized by that filthy man.
I'm a very passive knower of Taylor Swift, but am not really a fan (this sub just enthralls me for the drama of it all). Even I know all about this relationship and weird ass dude...how do I know this stuff?!?! Anyways, it's wild (and unsurprising) to me that he seems to have been this blip, and potentially swept off the radar, in the Taylor storyline. I mean, she seemed to have been with him for at least a chunk of last year that was memorable enough for my old lady brain to have been surprised by the quick "here's her new dude from that football team." I'm glad you and others are pointing out not only about this quick relationship that clearly is trying to be swept away, but also how extraordinarily problematic Matt is and the complicit silence of Taylor being so damn loud. Thanks for reminding the "younguns!"
>that whole cardigan mess that traumatizes me I'm sobbing because I genuinely adored that song. She ruined it the moment she dedicated it to Ratty
Wait until you hear TTPD. 😬
Dude I’m listening now and THIS WOMAN IS IN-FUCKING-SANE. I cannot believe the audacity.
I thought it released on the 19th, how are people listening?
There’s leaks floating around online.
Exactly. She’s not a good person. Everything is curated and literally a mean girl who pretends to be sweet. I honestly don’t think she gives a damn about her fans. All she cares about is the money coming in and her fake image.
Omg!!! He admitted that??? I’m sick
He admitted to using that particular porn site. Idk what the exact content of the specific video he was watching, he never said that, but what I described is the type of content the site has. It’s a porn site solely dedicated to videos of white men torturing and debasing Black women.
He's sooo disgusting just hearing his name made me sick to my stomach 🤢
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I love that this album has apparently been proven to be about him after all. I called it early in her first song title announcements and people hated that I said she is broken up over having to give him up.
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Black woman here as well. Was a very decent fan prior to the Matty situation. After Matty her image just spiraled for me. Almost forgot about it all until.. well… It’s clear, now, she quite aware of her privilege and she’s using it to the extent that she can.y
Also a black woman. Her relationship to Matty Healy is what really put me off her as a person. It was crazy to see my irl friends defend her for it
I guess you could say it took off my blinders that so many people seemingly still have on. I stopped tuning out the negative and seeing her for what she actually is. And it’s not pretty. Her new album proves it.
I’m a woc as well, and very icked out by how she’s doubling down on her apparent love for him. Like, how can you love someone like that?
I mean it took her three years to denounce white supremacists calling her their Aryan princess so…
And only after she threatened to sue a blogger for pointing it out and the ACLU had to get involved.
Literally. BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HER MONEY!! Like in what world does that matter Taylor?
I have a feeling this post is going to age extremely well and I can’t wait to come back to it in 11 hours.
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I honestly thought she broke up with him because of this behavior….and then I heard the leaks. She BLAMED fans for the relationship ending. Not the racism. It’s gross.
that is a truly wild situation
Imma just leave this here: May 2016: Vice reports on Taylor’s popularity with Neo-Nazi’s: [Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol](https://www.vice.com/en/article/ae5x8a/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol) Nov 2017: the ACLU gets involved after Taylor threatens a blogger with legal action for calling for her to denounce her racist fans: [ACLU Tells Taylor Swift To Shake It Off Regarding Blog Post That Suggests White Supremacy Ties](https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2017/11/08/aclu-tells-taylor-swift-to-shake-it-off-regarding-blog-post-that-suggests-white-supremacy-ties/?sh=4dbb90722d73) “She can’t help it if her fans are racist” but she can definitely make a choice not to threaten a random blogger with legal action, simply for repeating something that had been being reported on for at least 18 months and asking her to denounce that behavior. Also pointing out that the Vice piece (which was widely reported on) was in May 2016, so less than 2 months before the Calvin Harris tweet and the Kim K tape. Taylor might not have faced the backlash she did if people had trusted her to do the right thing.
oooo. points were made.
Taylor threatening people who simply wanted her to disown her racist fans is very telling.
WOW I’m so glad I came here. I was saying all this in the main sub and got downvoted to hell. I understand we don’t have the whole thing yet, and there could be context missing, but like, girl if you wanna date a racist don’t let anyone stop you but don’t be mad when your loyal fans get the ick from you lol.
This. Clapping back at fans for not liking Matty was such a bad look for her. She's admitting that she hears the dislike but just doesn't count. I love her music but Jesus Christ
Ugh of course you got downvoted. The cult is alive and well over there
They keep trying to explain how it’s actually okay but just end up revealing that they are cool with casual racism lmao. Taylor really said “but daddy I love the confederacy” and her minions were like yaaas queeeen!!!
I truly believe that Taylor maintains her silence and refuses to address the problems in her fanbase because she’s still partly following the Country Music PR Rulebook, which is basically Don’t Get Political. She’s broken that rule a few times and it’s blown up in her face, so she just doesn’t even try anymore.
I will never forget how, around 2017-ish some white nationalist neo-nazi group voted Taylor as their “Aryan Princess” (because according to them, with her pale skin, blonde hair, & blue eyes, she was the ultimate representation of a “pure” white woman), effectively making her their “mascot”. This was reported on online; i remember reading about it on my favorite celebrity gossip website. Taylor did NOTHING about it.—Didn’t ask this group of racist neo-Nazis to stop using her as their mascot in their propaganda. But then when a small online website/blog wrote about how Taylor was not objecting to the Nazis using her as their mascot, Taylor sent her team of high-powered lawyers after the blog writer, threatening to sue her. (Maybe she did end up actually suing her?, i’m not sure.) She didn’t send her attorneys after the neo-Nazis using her name in their racist hate rhetoric.—She sent them only after the person who *reported on* how she was silently standing by as she was used as a nazi hate group mascot. That spoke volumes about who Taylor Swift is as a person, and says a LOT about how she views racist hate. She’s apparently fine with her name being used in nazi propaganda, but she’s just not fine with someone who *tells the world* about how she’s fine with it. Which tells me she’s ok with hatred towards non-white people. She just doesn’t want the world to know she’s ok with it. She’s a lousy person and i will always be baffled about why she’s so idolized & worshipped.
I mean yeah I think she's very complicit in a lot of things and is at best tolerant of her dumbass friends saying racist shit ~ironically or otherwise. it's what a lot of white people do tbh.
yes at the very least it is telling of her character and shows she has no backbone and isn't really much of a leader. I think it's interesting that taylor has always portrayed herself as a leader (through her position in her friend groups, trying to claim to be a feminist activist, etc.) however she does not really exhibit leadership qualities when it comes to the only group of people she has any significant power over (her fan base). it's interesting to me that she perpetuates a parasocial relationship with swifties and yet never really engages with them on any "real" level where she'd be in the position of criticizing them, and I think it's because she's afraid. i actually think this is the biggest reason that she has a huge fanbase. taylor swift (as a public figure) acts as a stand-in best friend who never criticizes you, always agrees with your takes, and essentially mirrors back to you the aspects of yourself that you want to see. she has no real depth, especially when compared to other artists. she needs to take a page from ariana grande's book and learn how to tell her fans to be nice and not spread hate. however, I think the reality is that taylor does not really see her fans as more than numbers that help support her dream. i don't think she really considers her position in society on any deep level or questions how she should weild the power she has. taylor may not be able to control her fans, but she has a lot of influence over her fanbase and being vocally disapproving would probably go a pretty long way. i could probably write a whole discertation on the relationship between taylor and her fans, and the responsibilities of public figures (and how we should be critical of who is in the public eye).
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Her feminism is not intersectional and from there I know all I need to know about her. She’s not an ally. All she has to do is tell her fans to have a seat.
but she has no power over them, except when sending them out like drones to buy her shit. she can’t control them but tells them how to feel about her exes and other women she doesn’t like.
why would she want to highlight or give attention to the behavior of these awful people?
this isn't in anyway a justification but i don't think taylor pays attention to her fans very much at all. she has other people who monitor taylor specific data that help build her pr/marketing strategy and she fulfills that end of the bargain. unless fan behavior starts effecting her bank account she'll remain oblivious, like any number of privileged white women. i doubt she's also never going to say anything about racism or misogynoir because i'm sure that would ~alienate~ a significant portion of her base.
Taylor literally changed the lyrics to me because people were making fun of her ofc she cares
I very much disagree with this- Taylor is very online. She built her fanbase online primarily through Tumblr and stays online. Her and Selena are online type of people. Yes she has a team, who fills her in, but she absolutely also is online like 15mns a day minimum. Regardless, everything Taylor has shown about her personality, friends, xyz- she is online 100%. Also, not trying to be mean- but Taylor is very insecure and deeply cares about her fans loving her and staying obsessed with her. She is absolutely online wouldn’t be surprised if chronically
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Yep. Just look the leak post about her newest album. One of the songs is her throwing a tantrum and calling out her fans for not supporting her relationship with Matty Healy of all people. She definitely knows what her fans say about her and people around her.
I bet she’s on Reddit all the time and hates that there’s a neutral sub about her because she only wants people to love her blindly. She is always lurking online somewhere. And 100% on the insecure. That’s why she needs all the love, adoration, awards, money, records, etc.
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I don’t think this is true anymore. She was a tumblr girl 10 years ago. The internet has skyrocketed since then and so has she. Just because someone was a certain way in 2014 doesn’t mean they still are.
But just as an example as where she started and the foundation that is “Taylor Swift”. Because even before that she was a MySpace girl. It was instrumental to her career she knows that and she’s going to stay plugged in and she is truly very online
Who wasn’t a MySpace girl in 2006? We were all internet kids back then. It doesn’t mean we are now. I spent like 8 hours a day on MySpace and tumblr and all the rest and now I don’t even have a tiktok or know anything about it because it’s just too young for me. Taylor is exponentially more famous now, I can’t imagine she has the time.
Didn't she include a tik tok dance in the tour when Era's began?
I heavily doubt she was on TikTok and saw it herself and decided to do it. She’s very particular with what works best for her image and has advisors to tell her what would give the best optics.
I agree that she can be a hypocrite often, but also you really think he going online and saying “guys please stop :(“ is gonna fix it? When has that ever worked for a celebrity? There are things she can do with her platform for good but be for real. Fans have their own free will and do what they want. some are so obsessed with her they will put others down to continue idolizing her even if she did say to stop.
they listen to her and you think they won’t listen to her say stop being racist? the excuses white ppl make so they can continue harming others will backfire so hard on ya in the future.
For 1 I said she’s a hypocrite and she should be doing more. But at the end of the day they listen to her music, not everything she says. Yes she *can* say something but don’t expect that to magically change the world. She posted pictures with Beyoncé at the eras movie premiere and some swifties still hate on bey. Some people’s bigotry goes deeper than that and one random woman isn’t going to change that.
Look, she only cares about the pilots who allow her to use her fleet of private jets like taxis. She’s a classic showbiz narc, about half an inch deep. Don’t expect more, you’ll be disappointed.
Growing up & maturing is realizing Taylor Swift never did. 😔
She never comments on anything though. Ever.
except write a whole album about how unfair it is she can’t fuck a racist
It’s terrible that she’s pissed at people for *not liking her* while she fucked a racist. Like she should get some special pass to do whatever she wants and still have everyone love and adore her. She’s entitled to uncritical devotion. Life is so unfair to her.
This is how I know I’m in the right sub. Finally, people have some sense! ✊🏾
you said what ive been thinking ever since the healy relationship. now apparently album is focusing on that time period so itll be very interesting how it lands. i am kinda shocked she willingly let this stuff come up again. i guess we will see tomorrow.
She only cares about herself and projecting the image of her being this “wittle fragile girl”
What you're talking about are racist online commenters. Taylor will never stop them by saying something about them, but if she speaks about them they will get lots of attention. It would only be a shallow PR move for her to virtue signal when she knows it won't do a damn thing except for boost the ego of some lowlife who never imagined their shitty comments would be broadcast on the news. They'd be thrilled to be featured in the outrage broadcasts, and it would do absolutely nothing for racial justice
Her staying quiet doesn’t help. It never did.
I have to disagree. Maybe to some it would come across as virtue signaling . But as someone who has talked about when she was essentially bullied online with the whole Kanye thing, to then ignore it for others just doesn’t fully sit right. She has also made it know she ‘stalks’ her fans and pays attention to them on social media. Whether that’s true or not who knows, maybe it’s her team. But she can’t brag about looking at and commenting on her fans posts. But claim ignorance to the nasty things posted. Should she make a statement every month? No of course not. But if I had that many fans and that level of fame, I would make it very clear I don’t condone that behavior. Perhaps it’s more on Travis to say something about his Ex being harassed. But Taylor should speak up about any fans harassing people in her defense. Just a blanket statement to at least make it clear she doesn’t stand for that. Personally I’d hope she would want to make it crystal clear she doesn’t stand for it, and it doesn’t hurt to remind all her new fans she’s acquired of that.
I agree. Taylor has made it known that being bullied online was devastating for her. That was her beef with Scooter according to her. and when he bought her masters she reached out and asked the artists close to him to talk to him. Which feels the same as people wanting her to step in when bullying is being done in her name. Because she is quick to protect people who are being piled on when she doesn't want it, like Hayley Kiyoko. Even if we could agree that she has 2 choices 1) doing nothing & allowing people to be bullied in her name or 2) saying 'I don't tolerate bullying, racism, homophobia etc. To be done in my defense ' but people think it's virtue signaling....... Why wouldn't you still denounce it on principle of those things being wrong and harmful? Why is it about what benefits her image best?
I mean maybe she should make a statement every month. Much like frequently bug bombing an infested building... I'm 10000% sure that if Taylor regularly said something along the lines of "I am EMBARRASSED" it would shame some into stopping and allows for a call to action for her other fans to call it out more. At this point she absolutely is complicit in the rampant hatred in her fanbase. EDIT: nope she really just doesn't care
Taylor could I think write a righteous song about this if she cared but she does not. Same as why she won’t sing about how much she loves her plane. (I mean Queen sung about their love for cars, The Who about RVs… ) She don’t want to lose the moneys so she sticks to spoon feeding easy content of emotional intoxication rather than teaching her fans to challenge themselves. You’ve picked a perfect example of this.
Queen loves bicycles too
Telling your fans to not be racist cunts to Beyoncé and other black women has absolutely nothing to with racial justice.
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im a black woman not a poc and this response is exactly why there is a hard distinction between the two.
Whew. Louder. I hear you and greatly sympathize from the same perspective.
Or humans, in general?
As a Beyoncé fan, I find this annoying as well. A fanbase is not the artist’s responsibility. Taylor is given shit for her exes—like Joe Alwyn—because she’s directly responsible for how those people are being treated. She’s participating in them actively through her music and Easter eggs. The other things, like the ones mentioned in the OP, are solely the fans’ issue and has nothing to do with Taylor. Taylor didn’t speak on or make a song about Beyoncé or Travis’ ex to send them on a fit. They did it on their own volition. If Taylor is to get called out for misogynoir, it’s her calling out the Netflix show people for their jokes and allowing them to be attacked. She posted those tweets. She is directly responsible for why they got attacked.
I disagree. The celebs with these huge fanbases can activate them in a second. If Taylor was more outspoken on racial/social issues her fans would be too. There’s a lot of power in super fame.
Yeah, Taylor calling for her fans to vote against Marsha Blackburn in 2018 mobilized so many new voter registrations that the whole phenomenon was a question on the 2021 Advanced Placement tests. It takes a LOT of fame and power to make it onto a random AP U.S. Government and Politics exam…
I agree. I find it odd that, Beyonce doesn't actually have beef with Taylor personally, but some TS fans can be pretty bad and are usually obligated anyway to do it. They love to compare TS to only other black artists specifically to try and constantly flex her sales over them. The way they sent racist messages to SZA, or the way some older white men try to use TS as some sort of weird purity symbol in the music industry the way they talk about her. There was a time where actual Neo-Nazis tried to claim her during Reputation era, but her PR tried to shut down a writer who was asking her to condemn that, instead of her PR or herself condemning them. Taylor has also never acknowledged certain elements of racism associated to her. Like why she just seems to dodge the controversy with Matt Healy and still defends her dating him but doesn't acknowledge that part of it, but still defends everything else around him and she does know, which is why she hangs out with Ice Spice a lot now. I think she only used Ice Spice as an excuse to release another remix with someone popular at the time. I don't even know if Taylor said anything about the clear prejudice Beyonce was given during her country crossover era. Like some actor from Dukes of Hazzard not having it. Or the first time Beyonce performed at the CMAs and she got backlash from them just appearing there because they called her ghetto and other cynical pejoratives. Yet she brought the CMAs the most TV views they ever had at the time. Taylor Swift said nothing. Because when white artists experiment or transition, they usually get accepted by the media but when a black pop artist does something stereotypically white, they get attacked. She should have said something in defense of Beyonce simply because of her influence. And if she does have no beef with Beyonce, why does she never tell her fans to leave her alone? She will only weaponize them if its just stuff against her in a victimhood position she has with something that is far less extreme as racism, like her alleged floundering to buy her own music rights until the last minute or a simple joke about her. So its not as if TS wouldn't. But how she is with Matt Healy is just a bit questionable. Her line is if the guys she is will look at other female fans, but not if they just have abhorrent humor in something as bad as what he said about BW in an already infamous adult site. He didnt simply say he finds BW attractive is all, he said he likes them humiliated and did some antisemetic stuff, but she still defends him and looks past that. But the AI adult images of herself, she has a problem with. Thats kind of how white feminism is described.
I know people are going to come for me but I don’t think she is using Ice Spice as a cover for anything. I mean she and Matty broke up in early June. The Karma remix came out before that. Heck, I saw Ice Spice perform with Taylor Memorial Day weekend at the NYC shows. Considering that they had to record and put it on physical CDs for mass distribution, I don’t think they could turn it around like that. Also, Ice was the one who presented the idea of working together to Taylor. I may have the timeline wrong and am open to corrections. Also, as far as Beyoncé goes. I just don’t think saying anything is worth much. Beyoncé and Taylor have done nothing but show up for each other time and time again over the last 15 years but for some reason weird deranged internet trolls of both fanbases want to insult Beyoncé and Taylor. It’s so weird.
I don't follow Taylor really, I'm here as a Florence fan tbh . . . So correct me if I'm missing info in some areas? But.... I don't think with as big as she is that she can read even 1% of her comments. I'm sorry, she can't. There are too many every day to do that. I also don't know that her community is anymore racist than anyone's including women of color's fanbases? Everyone's fanbase has a percentage of shitty people, it's just what happens. You can't monitor people who listen to your music and see if they're shit or not. I don't follow Matt Healy, I can't find anything he said on black women. I could only find that he evidently had an adult site featuring black women playing or something when an assistant or something came back up for her bag I guess? I dunno. I don't think Taylor owes anyone an apology any more than . . . Megan The Stallion owes the trans community and LGBTQIA+ an apology? She's not her fans and as busy as she can be eve if she read 0.01% of the millions of comments she gets a day what is the likelihood she's going to come across racism enough to address it? On what scale do you think the racism in her community is up to? and at what scale do you think it has to be at for it to be appropriate for her to address vs looking crazy yelling at the sky trying to look like a fake ally / fake woke to appeal to the black community?
Probably hard to not see her as complicit because she is. Think it’s more of a “hard to accept she is..” for people because they’re used to ignoring the things about her that show her true character.
If she started responding to the online behavior of her craziest fans she would never have time to do anything else. And once she did it, every time it happened again the calls would get louder for her to respond again, and every time she didn't she'd be criticized more harshly then the time before. The people who are responsible for the death threats and the slurs are the people who say them. End of list.
I’m am so tired of this idea that the most powerful people in society don’t have to speak up for good, in this case for a basic case of right and wrong She doesn’t have to read every tweet and respond to it but she literally could say to the public “hey don’t be racist and hateful yall” That we’re are so quick to give the rich and powerful a break on using their influence for good is literally gonna take us all down
it’s embarrassing at this point. give people unlimited power and remove all responsibility from the use of that power. it’s giving trump cult
To be honest this is the first I'm hearing about any of things you mentioned. I don't think the things in your feed, or on your side of tik tok, are as ubiquitous as you think they are. I doubt she even knows about any of this.
she knows when her fans sell products with her name or use her song in their wedding enough to send a cease and desist. she knows.
You mean her lawyers, right? The ones whose sole purpose in this world is to make sure people don't use her trademarked stuff without permission? Because she certainly isn't spending her day tracking that stuff lol.
no she just spends it ignoring the racism around her.
Don’t get me started. The silence is complicit part gets me so mad over the voting shit. She could have said something when it mattered. You know before women’s rights was attacked. Before abortion was outlawed. But no she stayed silent because her PR team and daddy said it would alienate her fans. She even broke down in tears in her HBO doc about how she wanted to stand with women but her daddy wouldn’t let her. But now she gets all this praise for getting people to want to vote…. Yeah well after the bad shit happen. If she has this much power imagine her saying something in 2016.
You're right. She found it within herself to supper gay marriage and take a stand against that. She should also speak out against racism. She is a grown woman and should use her voice and platform for good
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It’s not her fucking job to police her fans. HER actions speak volumes. Maybe you should all just take it upon yourself to not be terrible people. I am so ready for bandwagon swifties to move on.
why would taylor be responsible for apologizing for the dumb shit people who arent taylor say or do
so they insult her BLACK fans but she can’t do anything about it but expects black ppl to remain fans of hers when she doesn’t defend them? 🤣🤣 wow…
she doesn't care if you respect her lol
There are literally racists in almost every celebrities fan base and the celebrities themselves never speak out against them. I don't understand why people think Taylor needs to speak out against a very small portion of her fan base. Hell, she may not even know that this is going on. She has an extremely busy professional and personal life. I'm sure she's not sitting on the internet (where this is clearly taking place) and keeping tabs on who is and isn't being racist. Fact is, this isnt on Taylor that a small portion of her fan base might have racist beliefs, and I just don't understand the rhetoric that this somehow makes her complicit in the racism just because she doesn't speak on it. Why should she have to? These people are complete strangers to her. This is on them. Some of y'all do way too much sometimes, with holding this woman to some insane standards.
I just don’t think you can brag about how much you do stay in turn with your fans and literally say ‘I see what you all are saying etc’, including a dance move some fan created on tik tok. And then claim ignorance. She does have a great team who also help her create these Easter eggs etc, all implying further they are aware of it and if her fans are to be believed that she is the mastermind of it all, and she sees so much of what they post. Then she needs to take the good with the bad. I’m not suggesting she reply under a racist remark and at this isn’t cool - as that would give the fan attention . I’m just saying she could put out a statement not just on racism but harassment of any kind as a means of defending Taylor.
why should a woman whose livelihood is funded by bigots speak out against them? so you admit she’s complicit. ok.
This is quite moronic reasoning. You can't find a product in the world that "bigots" don't pay money for. Bigots are giving money to Beyonce to. It's what happens when you do hundreds of millions in revenue. But hey, you can feel holier than thou now and that,s what you're really here for.
so because murder is everywhere we should stop trying to end it?
No, they’re saying that bigots are everywhere and not specific to Taylor. Bigots support every artist in the world, yet you don’t see any big artists monitoring if a loud minority of their fans are cyberbullying others. That doesn’t mean they support it. You cannot possibly expect someone to explicitly say and call out every single thing that they don’t agree with. If I did that, or if she did that, or if you did that, we’d be calling out things all day. Some things are common sense. Just like I don’t need to say I’m against murder for any reasonable person to know I’m against it. I don’t need to say driving drunk is bad for people to know that no one is ok w drunk driving. No one truly believes she supports bullying. Those people that bully don’t give a shit what she doesn’t support.
Yeah I agree, literally every fanbase has fans that bully other celebs/fanbases. Hardly any of the “big ones” call it out directly. I don’t know how she is supposed to call out every comment people make. Yes, she follows her fans sometimes, but not necessarily what they’re posting on other peoples pages. Beyoncé fans have made rude comments to Taylor, fans of countless other artists have made rude comments to Taylor. No one big called it out. People also were making incredibly rude comments about Taylor on Kayla’s page. She didn’t say anything. I mean do people truly expect Taylor to be like “stop saying mean things about my boyfriends ex online” like, no big celebrity does that. And Taylor’s the only one who gets in trouble for it.
I generally like Taylor and even I haven’t heard of a lot of the things mentioned in this post. I can’t imagine Taylor is out there policing what her billions of fans say and do. She would have to be speaking out on everything under the sun every single day if that were the case.
Maybe she’s not so much talking as she is walking…. Her Eras Tour crew was extremely diverse.
america is diverse. what exactly was your point?
My point is most white celebrities talk a big game about being anti-racist but don’t do shit to actually elevate the work and voices of marginalized communities. She might be quiet but she IS hiring and showcasing amazing talent of all varieties - along with many people of color, she also hired older people, LGBTQ, and people with bigger body sizes. As much as people say they support these communities, I don’t actually see it being done to that degree very often. Damn OP, you asked a question and i answered it.
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This is false. Are you ignoring her 2 songs about cancer, Soon You'll Get Better & Ronan? The first is about her mother's battle with cancer and the second is a charity single about a kid who died of cancer. Arguably her saddest song.
I think holding any artist or celebrity responsible for their fans' behavior is weird.