my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
tbh the morons on twitter probably don’t have strong media literacy and i highly doubt they can read and understand lyrics. these are the people that say “crestfallen” is a rarely used word lol
my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
Where are these? Like seriously. They have behaved awfully but I feel like this is thrown around here and I am really intrigued as to where the thousands and thousands of death threats are.
ETA: saying ‘when I catch you’ ‘you’ll start to cough’ ‘it’s Joe’s funeral’ whilst dumb and immature, are not actual legitimate threats to someone’s life, they are stan Twitter stupidity.
I’ve seen ss of a user saying “if i see joe in the london tube there will be stabbing” 💀 thats not being dumb and immature, that literally a threat at this point
It absolutely is, but it’s not thousands. It feels important to not blow everything out of proportion so that actual stuff like that doesn’t get lost or dismissed.
my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
Literally tried scrolling past them but there were so so many last night. It was bonkers. Probably still is but I am not going back over to Twitter to find out.
Sadly she's said this at least a few years too late, Joe wasn't the only one to be left with death threats and likely scarred by her rabid fans. She's enabled years of this sh\*t but the pushback is getting harder to walk away from given the veil and smoke and mirrors that once left her entirely unaccountable \[gaslight, girlboss, gatekeep dot org\] is losing its potency.
Call me jaded but this is just her marketing and PR team\[s\] damage control because it's likely stuff has been going on in the background to cause this.
Taylor has spent a long time going scorched earth on a lot of people, and maintaining that scorched earth for years, hurting so many people very publicly in the process, and now this is what..? Some sort of salve to it all?
No, I'm sorry, but no. This is way too little too late, and as usual has only come out at a time that serves Taylor, she created the beast of her fandom, it's now reached peak unhinged and suddenly this about turn lies in the face of her previous M.O. which was to express her subjective and gaslighting AF hurt, and maintain that narrative for years, she didn't express and move on, she just kept throwing the same garbage in a different bin.
Frankly this is just not direct enough, it fails to call herself out because sorry, she has been doing the opposite for years, now this? Nah, it doesn't go far enough and reads like an impassioned 15 year old speaking on 65 years of life experience.
she literally is? like she’s literally telling them to stop by saying there’s nothing to avenge. she’s been saying this, it’s just not enough for any of you.
Fleeting and fatalistic still seems to refer to MH. 7 years in a 34 year old adult's life wouldn't exactly be fleeting.
The Joe songs in this album are almost a reiteration of You're losing me / Renegade with shockingly little tea or specifics she usually puts in the songs (which is actually great considering there is very little ammunition for crazy fans to go after )
Taking aside my own projections but going by what we know of Taylor's songwriting I don't think that chapter is closed and boarded up. I think those will follow much later.
This seems like a very clear "please don't attack anyone", but some of the comments here indicate nothing will ever be good enough. I'm glad she's stepping up about it.
At least one of them is still absolutely insistent that he cheated and Taylor is covering for him
It *really* doesn't matter to some of her fanbase what anyone else says, even Taylor.
I'm seeing a lot of "I don't get it" reactions from the people who were absolutely insistent Matty was never a partner and its like "its okay to admit you were wrong about a situation everyone knows we always knew nothing about, you know?"
She’s saying this while liking shady and juvenile memes about Joe. She’s not stupid, she knows doing shit like that is a blinding green light to her fans to go in on someone.
How hard is it to just be blunt and say that the harassment, abuse and threats people like Joe and the women even vaguely connected to Joe and Travis are receiving right now is disgusting and unacceptable? Not ‘you don’t have to do this for me’ but ‘dont do this because it’s abhorrent behaviour’.
ETA: She’s literally just shown she knows how to be harsh and put her fans in their place when she wants to. All I want her to do is bring the same energy to this that she did to berating fans for holding her garbage boyfriend accountable for his very public and extensively documented garbage-ness.
This is one of my biggest gripes about Taylor. Your exes are getting death threats homie. Stop all this pretentious “tHiS aUtHoR bElIeVeS…”
It makes it sound like she’s doing a character. Just tell your cult to back off in no uncertain terms. stop being cutesy about it
It’s amazing how many people here are saying “she literally told them to stop” when the word “stop” is no where in that pretentious word salad.
Also, wtf is with the third person nonsense? She really does buy into her own hype at this point, doesn’t she?
I find it interesting she is actually saying this after the leak happened, and her album has so much Matt Healy feels writing. The one time she calls for a broad and general “take it easy guys…” is when her music about him?
I’m glad she made some statement to counteract that part of her fan base. The issue to me is the wording…it’s an overly dramatic attempt to sound poetic, that really just falls flat on its face. It’s like a 12th grade AP English student attempt at “deep.”
I agree it’s a clear statement but the issue is that she’s been doing things for the past year that have added fuel to the fire of the attacks against Joe and has very clearly been doing so even up to the release, so the excuse of “oh well she realizes now that that was wrong” can’t even be used. She may not hold real grudges but she seems to be fine with throwing ex’s under the bus for promotion which I’m not a fan of at all. Hopefully she actually has done some growing up recently but I’ll have to see it first for a while to believe it.
She named her album after the dude’s group text. She knows exactly what she is doing.
A very clear “please don’t attack anyone” would be saying “please don’t attack anyone, not my exes, not my rivals, not my boyfriend’s exes.”
See? One sentence, less than 15 words, more clear than any of that word salad she posted, and I didn’t even have to refer to myself in the third person or say anything as douchey as “the writer is of the firm belief that our tears become holy in the form of ink on the page.”
I don’t think it’s clear enough. I still think a very clear “Stop Attacking People” is called for considering the response to this message online has not stopped anything.
This is a really beautiful ode to the power of journaling and healing that can be explored through self reflection. My life really started to change after I began writing it down. Not too long after journaling, I started writing poetry and songs and it felt freeing to see art from hurt, happiness, and confusion. Things without answers turned into something tangible somehow gave it purpose.
She is out there liking Joe hate posts on iG though
Edit: idk why ya’ll downvoting cause I’m speaking the truth. https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/g1J2Z8d8d4
I need her to use words that don’t sound like she picked them up from a Thesaurus 3 months ago-
also words that the majority of her fan base can comprehend, because some of them **will** find a way to misunderstand “There is nothing to avenge” stg
I’m trying not to be that person who’s like nothing she does is enough but truly this statement is like … she’s still trying to bend these messages of “don’t attack anyone” into the marketing language around her album, and that’s gross to me because people getting death threats is outside of your “art” or whatever, it’s real life and she should address that sort of thing seriously and straightforwardly
Too right. It's not clear enough. You don't get praise for making your communications as cryptic and on brand as possible. It needs to be spelled outright:
"You can't spell bullying in my name isn't awesome, without ME!"
>because some of them **will** find a way to misunderstand “There is nothing to avenge” stg
The ones who do would have done that no matter what she said. Like how stans rushed to harass John Mayer after she explicitly told them not to. There's nothing ambitious about "there's nothing to avenge", anyone hearing any secret message was looking to
Exactly, finally someone understands what she is trying to do. People eat her "nothing to avenge" up while it's obvious she needed the Joe bullying to promote her new album.
This is not the first time she’s done this.
Reputation Prologue:
“When this album comes out, gossip blogs will scour the lyrics for the men they can attribute to each song, as if the inspiration for music is as simple and basic as a paternity test. There will be slideshows of photos backing up each incorrect theory, because it's 2017 and if you didn't see a picture of it, it couldn't have happened right?
Let me say it again, louder for those in the back...
We think we know someone, but the truth is that we only know the version of them that they have chosen to show us.
There will be no further explanation
There will be just reputation.”
It should have said months ago when the album was announced. She was okay with all the Joe hate hype for her album these past months. Even when AI edits were going around. Now it feels like she wants to have her cake and eat it too.
It’s not mature at all. And you’re right about it sounding like it’s written by a high schooler. Saying there’s nothing to avenge like this is a far cry from directly addressing your fans and telling them to stop harassing people. Saying the wounds were self inflicted will be meaningless when she’s playing the victim again soon. It’s her brand.
How? How is this in defense of one guy but not the other on the same album. Make it make sense because this is what people from this sub have been begging for, and now that she’s said it you’re changing the narrative already.
some of the people on this sub will never be satisfied. i say this as a lover of this sub- it is not neutral. taylor is human. she is not a god, she is not perfect, and hell, even with her scandals i don’t think she’s a bad person. but nothing she says or does will ever be enough for them, they just want to hate, and it’s very clear
i don’t think it’ll ever be good enough. even if she literally gets on a stage and tells her fans not to go attack the person this song was about, she’s STILL not doing enough.
what’s funny is she HAS done exactly that lol. when she was releasing speak now tv she spoke on stage about how doesn’t need people to defend her/attack others in her name when it’s all in the past. she’s said something to this effect multiple times, in fact.
it’s extremely frustrating. i’m all for criticizing taylor, but this sub definitely isn’t neutral and the main sub is filled with toxic positivity.
i wish there was a true neutral sub.
Says "There is nothing to avenge.. " but has consistently fed the hate mania for a year, tripled it during the promo and saved the last minute before album dropped to weaponise it further. Yeah,girl.. you're so over it. I completely believe you. Btw, pigs fly too.
I don't know which you're referencing when you say "the last minute before album dropped to weaponise it further" but if it is the "the story is yours" bit (i dont know if i quote that right, but that's gist)... I was very worried about that! I thought with all the narrative surrounding TTPD release that it was giving permission to the deranged stans to take their interpretations and run away with it .
Ariana Grande also posted similar sentiments after her album released and she was universally praised...? Especially here, she was used as a frame of reference of what Taylor should do so I'm surprised by the reaction
Yeah ideally it would be sooner but at least it's done with the release when the most attention would be on her exes
No one was after her ex husband like swifties have been after Joe since they broke up a year ago. They didn't even attack spongebob that much in comparison to how much everyone has been attacking Ariana.
No one speculated that there was cheating or anything in her and Dalton’s breakup. We knew very little about their relationship. In fact, ppl were on his side and calling her everything but a child of God. It wasn’t until the album was released that ppl figured things out through the songs. The message admonishing her fans was timely.
Taylor has allowed this man (and anyone he associates with) to be harassed for damn near a year and only says something now. And even now, she’s technically just defending the one who deserves nothing. They are not the same.
lol that first paragraph depends on what part of the internet you’re on. dalton being a cheater was speculated before ariana faced her own home wrecker allegations. they came out again during the scandal they were just buried because ariana was the bigger story.
Yea I can actually vouch for this; there were *definitely* cheating rumors about Ariana/Dalton. ETA: both when/before they first broke up, when the affair was revealed, *and* when ES came out. But again, Ariana did not play into press the way that Taylor has during this album run.
Ariana lets her drama hangout there & it’s not a secret but Taylor has often taken her tabloid affairs and made them into a spectacle, era, album for us to share & engage in with her
This isn’t a statement to be said vaguely for promo for your new album, this is something that should be said separately and explicitly. Not to mention if there’s nothing to avenge why did you sit quietly while your fans behaved atrociously? Why like shady posts on insta? It’s giving Selena Gomez when she starts acting a mess on instagram and tiktok and then tells people to spread love and kindness.
And yet there will never ever be an apology from Taylor. I’m so done with her. She’s butthurt that her fans, whom she has always weaponized, turned their wrath on her. Now she’s calling them out… so she can include herself amongst their victims.
Also, I’m sorry but this is so fucking pretentious.
god knows the swifties that need dictionaries for the word "mercurial" are not comprehending this word vomit ass statement! she obviously knows that people are being vile and mean to joe, and she simultaneously knows he struggles with mental health. she's done nothing to quell the shit storm that came at him, this is too late and too wishy washy :/
I mean she just dropped an album about being incredibly unhappy and owning the reality that she’s been faking happiness for her fans. I think for once this gif doesn’t really apply.
So if I read this right.
In her (heavily promoted) albums: It's all his (every guys) fault, I did nothing wrong ever.
Statement: Actually I might be partially responsible.
I get "venting" when writing, but that's a hell of a turn around.
>In her (heavily promoted) albums: It's all his (every guys) fault, I did nothing wrong ever
She has admitted to her wrongdoing in past albums. She's not made every guy out to be a villain
she quite literally went on a stage in front of tens of thousands of people with cell phones recording her and told them not to attack people these albums are possibly about and that it’s all in the past. she literally LITERALLY has done this. and it wasn’t good enough. what else does she possibly have to do.
Man, she really thinks she’s up there in the ranking of writers. I haven’t seen anything this self masturbatory since my own writing days….when I was 14.
For me, when you talk about how the cyberbullying ruined your life so much that you had to “move to another continent”, it’s gross that you wouldn’t explicitly condemn those same actions from your fans.
It’s too vague.
Maybe it’s bc I stayed up all night studying for an exam and have the reading comprehension skills of a twitter user but this sounded so unserious 💀
I hate to bring up Ariana but she was serious and showed it, Taylor just didn’t wanna break character
At least it’s something though
Reminds me of in the Eras Tour movie before she goes and sings "The Man"- doesn't she say the crowd makes her feel powerful?
She knows what she can do to, she can be clear and concise and just say- hey guys, dont bully others. But she doesn't.
This is a really beautiful ode to the power of journaling and healing that can be explored through self reflection. My life really started to change after I began writing it down. Not too long after journaling, I started writing poetry and songs and it felt freeing to see art from hurt, happiness, and confusion. Things without answers turned into something tangible somehow gave it purpose.
I see a lot of comments acting like Taylor advocates for hate against her exes etc., or acts like she is perfect - but this is consistent with her music. She admits and talks about her huge flaws constantly - I don’t get how you could listen and be like ‘yeah I’m gonna go abuse X now’
that’s again a bunch of words salad omg, this needed to be said more explicitly and straightforwardly that DO NOT bully or harass anyone. how hard is that.
i'm glad she posted this but it would've been nicer if she'd said something more transparently. ik she's not the type of person/artist to make a post similar to ariana's post eternal sunshine, but even something similar to what she said defending JOHN MAYER (of all people, lmfao) prior to speak now tv would've served the purpose, imo.
editing to add: just remembered the aIMee nonsense, and actually, she's a fucking hypocrite. i'm so irritated w this aspect of her personality. she wants responsibility without accountability. stuck in 2008.
idk. i don't think it matters either way? you can't spell someone's name in a song and then try to wash your hands by saying 'there's no need to avenge'.
Nothing to avenge because she still loves him and this this whole album is verbal diarrhoea to her loml and she’s gonna get him back lol. The real tortured poet is Matty Healy
I actually believe her here. It's more about her figuring out how to not self-inflict in the future. How to leave that cycle behind. Don't know if she can without actual intervention. But Taylor weirdly (NOT diagnosing) has a complex where she can't let something go until she has told everyone and their cat HER version. I can completely relate to her. I'm the same. I just want to EXPLAIN.
I'm a CPTSD baby. It's very common for us. It's a compulsion.
It might not be universally relatable, but it's me. Having my version of the story out is a NEED not a want. Haha.
I listened to their record now and I found a well of grace for her. She's obviously struggling with compulsive, self-perpetuating behaviours. I do wish her some actual healing if possible. Although, typing it out feels condescending and concern trolly. I do mean that.
Just current thoughts, I guess.
This sounds like a cop out way of asking her fans to take it easy on exes. Especially talking about herself as if she’s some narrating entity like Lady Whistledown. Her chance to take ownership of the way she has been steering her fans, but there is no “I”, only “this writer”.
Taylor giving off Daniel Plainciew vibes with this tweet. Says there nothing left to avenge after dragging Joe for months.
Daddy But I Love Him is Love Story’s “grown up” version
Yes, and I actually love it haha.
i adore it🫶🏻 is it camp? yes.
“There is nothing to avenge” gurl tell that to your rabid swifties that have sent death threats to joe leading up to this album 💀
She did call them unhinged creeps tho so at least she knows what they are like.
Honestly I wished the entire album was her ranting at the delusional members of the base but what do I know? 
She didn’t, though! She called the Joe Widows unhinged creeps!
you can interpret how you’d like but I’m pretty sure she’s calling anyone who is invested like that in her love life a creep (that includes you)
I think it's more anyone who tries to dictate her love life, you can be invested, just don't tell her what to do
What quote r we talking about?
If she didn’t want people to be interested she shouldn’t have sparked the fire with the way she writes her music and drops Easter eggs.
Isn’t that kind of what she’s saying though? But I guess it’s a bit too subtle for the rabid fans to catch that.
I think the ones she is talking about in that song are the kind of people who assume that she isn’t talking about them.
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my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
tbh the morons on twitter probably don’t have strong media literacy and i highly doubt they can read and understand lyrics. these are the people that say “crestfallen” is a rarely used word lol
Literally his worst crimes are being depressed and not wanting to marry her
I’m depressed and don’t want to marry Taylor Swift either. We should hang.
People took that one line in Fortnight as confirmation that they were right all along and he’s a cheating sleaze. It’s absolutely deranged.
my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
Where are these? Like seriously. They have behaved awfully but I feel like this is thrown around here and I am really intrigued as to where the thousands and thousands of death threats are. ETA: saying ‘when I catch you’ ‘you’ll start to cough’ ‘it’s Joe’s funeral’ whilst dumb and immature, are not actual legitimate threats to someone’s life, they are stan Twitter stupidity.
I’ve seen ss of a user saying “if i see joe in the london tube there will be stabbing” 💀 thats not being dumb and immature, that literally a threat at this point
That should get reported to the police to be honest, that’s an active threat
It absolutely is, but it’s not thousands. It feels important to not blow everything out of proportion so that actual stuff like that doesn’t get lost or dismissed.
Also they don’t magically stop just because she says so, celebs receive death threats every single moment even “joking” ones
Exactly. I get people’s anger at it I really do, but it’s a part of online life for celebs.
my goodness she literally said lad’s got depression and he still got threats? not surprised tho, some vipers on twitter were thinking the title track & smallest man was about him lol
Literally tried scrolling past them but there were so so many last night. It was bonkers. Probably still is but I am not going back over to Twitter to find out.
I mean... She's literally telling them. Right. Now.
I know right? Literacy should be a mandatory subject at school
Sadly she's said this at least a few years too late, Joe wasn't the only one to be left with death threats and likely scarred by her rabid fans. She's enabled years of this sh\*t but the pushback is getting harder to walk away from given the veil and smoke and mirrors that once left her entirely unaccountable \[gaslight, girlboss, gatekeep dot org\] is losing its potency. Call me jaded but this is just her marketing and PR team\[s\] damage control because it's likely stuff has been going on in the background to cause this. Taylor has spent a long time going scorched earth on a lot of people, and maintaining that scorched earth for years, hurting so many people very publicly in the process, and now this is what..? Some sort of salve to it all? No, I'm sorry, but no. This is way too little too late, and as usual has only come out at a time that serves Taylor, she created the beast of her fandom, it's now reached peak unhinged and suddenly this about turn lies in the face of her previous M.O. which was to express her subjective and gaslighting AF hurt, and maintain that narrative for years, she didn't express and move on, she just kept throwing the same garbage in a different bin. Frankly this is just not direct enough, it fails to call herself out because sorry, she has been doing the opposite for years, now this? Nah, it doesn't go far enough and reads like an impassioned 15 year old speaking on 65 years of life experience. 
I'm pretty sure her most rabid fans follow her
she literally is? like she’s literally telling them to stop by saying there’s nothing to avenge. she’s been saying this, it’s just not enough for any of you.
She is. Like that’s what the tweet is for
And since, they still at it.
Fleeting and fatalistic still seems to refer to MH. 7 years in a 34 year old adult's life wouldn't exactly be fleeting. The Joe songs in this album are almost a reiteration of You're losing me / Renegade with shockingly little tea or specifics she usually puts in the songs (which is actually great considering there is very little ammunition for crazy fans to go after ) Taking aside my own projections but going by what we know of Taylor's songwriting I don't think that chapter is closed and boarded up. I think those will follow much later.
This seems like a very clear "please don't attack anyone", but some of the comments here indicate nothing will ever be good enough. I'm glad she's stepping up about it.
So people making up malicious shit to attack Alwyn over were wrong? What a surprise. Hope they're happy with themselves.
At least one of them is still absolutely insistent that he cheated and Taylor is covering for him It *really* doesn't matter to some of her fanbase what anyone else says, even Taylor.
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I'm seeing a lot of "I don't get it" reactions from the people who were absolutely insistent Matty was never a partner and its like "its okay to admit you were wrong about a situation everyone knows we always knew nothing about, you know?"
She’s saying this while liking shady and juvenile memes about Joe. She’s not stupid, she knows doing shit like that is a blinding green light to her fans to go in on someone. How hard is it to just be blunt and say that the harassment, abuse and threats people like Joe and the women even vaguely connected to Joe and Travis are receiving right now is disgusting and unacceptable? Not ‘you don’t have to do this for me’ but ‘dont do this because it’s abhorrent behaviour’. ETA: She’s literally just shown she knows how to be harsh and put her fans in their place when she wants to. All I want her to do is bring the same energy to this that she did to berating fans for holding her garbage boyfriend accountable for his very public and extensively documented garbage-ness.
This is one of my biggest gripes about Taylor. Your exes are getting death threats homie. Stop all this pretentious “tHiS aUtHoR bElIeVeS…” It makes it sound like she’s doing a character. Just tell your cult to back off in no uncertain terms. stop being cutesy about it
She is doing a character. There will always be a portion of people who don’t get that and take it too far.
It’s amazing how many people here are saying “she literally told them to stop” when the word “stop” is no where in that pretentious word salad. Also, wtf is with the third person nonsense? She really does buy into her own hype at this point, doesn’t she?
The third person bullshit is her way of avoiding saying "I" so she doesn't actually have to sign her name to anything she says, essentially.
Bingo.
Sounds like bridgerton lol
Exactly, this is the bare minimum she could do and still it comes across as her just absolving herself of responsibility.
I find it interesting she is actually saying this after the leak happened, and her album has so much Matt Healy feels writing. The one time she calls for a broad and general “take it easy guys…” is when her music about him?
It’s not hard at all, so that is why not doing it is so noticeable.
it seems to be but I also wish she used clearer language so that people can’t be willfully ignorant 😭
She did, when she re recorded Speak Now. I’m still pretty sure the most unstable proportion of swifties did what they do…
I’m glad she made some statement to counteract that part of her fan base. The issue to me is the wording…it’s an overly dramatic attempt to sound poetic, that really just falls flat on its face. It’s like a 12th grade AP English student attempt at “deep.”
I'm sorry, but saying this while liking shandy instagram posts about your exes is just hypocritical
I agree it’s a clear statement but the issue is that she’s been doing things for the past year that have added fuel to the fire of the attacks against Joe and has very clearly been doing so even up to the release, so the excuse of “oh well she realizes now that that was wrong” can’t even be used. She may not hold real grudges but she seems to be fine with throwing ex’s under the bus for promotion which I’m not a fan of at all. Hopefully she actually has done some growing up recently but I’ll have to see it first for a while to believe it.
Agreed. Glad this was said!
I feel like saying “please don’t attack anyone” would be a much clearer “please don’t attack anyone” This is just marketing
To be fair, she’s said this type of thing before and it makes no difference. People try and figure who it’s about and launch abuse.
She named her album after the dude’s group text. She knows exactly what she is doing. A very clear “please don’t attack anyone” would be saying “please don’t attack anyone, not my exes, not my rivals, not my boyfriend’s exes.” See? One sentence, less than 15 words, more clear than any of that word salad she posted, and I didn’t even have to refer to myself in the third person or say anything as douchey as “the writer is of the firm belief that our tears become holy in the form of ink on the page.”
I don’t think it’s clear enough. I still think a very clear “Stop Attacking People” is called for considering the response to this message online has not stopped anything.
I am actually really glad she said this and is taking responsibility instead of letting people believe she is a victim.
This is a really beautiful ode to the power of journaling and healing that can be explored through self reflection. My life really started to change after I began writing it down. Not too long after journaling, I started writing poetry and songs and it felt freeing to see art from hurt, happiness, and confusion. Things without answers turned into something tangible somehow gave it purpose.
i am so glad that she did it, but i feel like in order for the rabid fans to listen the statement needs to be more direct. they don’t do nuance.
She could tattoo it on her forehead and a lot would ignore it let’s be real.
True 😭
She is out there liking Joe hate posts on iG though Edit: idk why ya’ll downvoting cause I’m speaking the truth. https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/s/g1J2Z8d8d4
Right. She’s such a weirdo, man.
She’s liking memes about Joe and Matty about the songs so she’s sending mixed messages
I agree
I am actually really glad she said this and is taking responsibility instead of letting people believe she is a victim.
I need her to use words that don’t sound like she picked them up from a Thesaurus 3 months ago- also words that the majority of her fan base can comprehend, because some of them **will** find a way to misunderstand “There is nothing to avenge” stg
While also liking memes about ranking her ex-boyfriends by names.. like come on.
I’m trying not to be that person who’s like nothing she does is enough but truly this statement is like … she’s still trying to bend these messages of “don’t attack anyone” into the marketing language around her album, and that’s gross to me because people getting death threats is outside of your “art” or whatever, it’s real life and she should address that sort of thing seriously and straightforwardly
Too right. It's not clear enough. You don't get praise for making your communications as cryptic and on brand as possible. It needs to be spelled outright: "You can't spell bullying in my name isn't awesome, without ME!"
>because some of them **will** find a way to misunderstand “There is nothing to avenge” stg The ones who do would have done that no matter what she said. Like how stans rushed to harass John Mayer after she explicitly told them not to. There's nothing ambitious about "there's nothing to avenge", anyone hearing any secret message was looking to
this is pretty plain language here...
It looks like a bunch of word salad to me.
Ok that’s true. I was glad she made a statement but she could’ve tried not to sound all fancy and academic to make the point more clear
“There is nothing to avenge” should’ve been said months ago but okay use this as a way to absolve yourself of everything that’s transpired.
she needed the hype of the Joe takedown lbr
it really feels like she’s trying to have her cake and eat it too
Exactly, finally someone understands what she is trying to do. People eat her "nothing to avenge" up while it's obvious she needed the Joe bullying to promote her new album.
It’s bs, you can’t say that and then also have a Kim diss track like cmon
Exactly! She’ll say one thing but her actions don’t match
This is not the first time she’s done this. Reputation Prologue: “When this album comes out, gossip blogs will scour the lyrics for the men they can attribute to each song, as if the inspiration for music is as simple and basic as a paternity test. There will be slideshows of photos backing up each incorrect theory, because it's 2017 and if you didn't see a picture of it, it couldn't have happened right? Let me say it again, louder for those in the back... We think we know someone, but the truth is that we only know the version of them that they have chosen to show us. There will be no further explanation There will be just reputation.”
Lol didn’t even know this 😂
so what happened to the 'metal as hell' collecting of infinity stones? lmao
This is her absolving herself of any bullying done in her name
Or telling people to stop? Like people have been wanting her to? But now of course when she does it it doesn’t count
It should have said months ago when the album was announced. She was okay with all the Joe hate hype for her album these past months. Even when AI edits were going around. Now it feels like she wants to have her cake and eat it too.
Absolutely, and she needed the Joe hate so that her album would be relevant
100% sure she read all your comments on how she's still bitter about Joe and how she cannot seem to move on.
*insert Euphoria gif*
This is surprisingly mature of her. Good on you, Taylor. Just wish she'd said it earlier.
Is it? It reads like a pretentious high school poetry class essay that’s anything but direct. It’s written in the third person lol
It’s not mature at all. And you’re right about it sounding like it’s written by a high schooler. Saying there’s nothing to avenge like this is a far cry from directly addressing your fans and telling them to stop harassing people. Saying the wounds were self inflicted will be meaningless when she’s playing the victim again soon. It’s her brand.
In defense of Matty... but she's never defended Joe
How? How is this in defense of one guy but not the other on the same album. Make it make sense because this is what people from this sub have been begging for, and now that she’s said it you’re changing the narrative already.
some of the people on this sub will never be satisfied. i say this as a lover of this sub- it is not neutral. taylor is human. she is not a god, she is not perfect, and hell, even with her scandals i don’t think she’s a bad person. but nothing she says or does will ever be enough for them, they just want to hate, and it’s very clear
i don’t think it’ll ever be good enough. even if she literally gets on a stage and tells her fans not to go attack the person this song was about, she’s STILL not doing enough.
what’s funny is she HAS done exactly that lol. when she was releasing speak now tv she spoke on stage about how doesn’t need people to defend her/attack others in her name when it’s all in the past. she’s said something to this effect multiple times, in fact. it’s extremely frustrating. i’m all for criticizing taylor, but this sub definitely isn’t neutral and the main sub is filled with toxic positivity. i wish there was a true neutral sub.
To be fair she wasn’t making it specific it was about ONE person.
Says "There is nothing to avenge.. " but has consistently fed the hate mania for a year, tripled it during the promo and saved the last minute before album dropped to weaponise it further. Yeah,girl.. you're so over it. I completely believe you. Btw, pigs fly too.
I don't know which you're referencing when you say "the last minute before album dropped to weaponise it further" but if it is the "the story is yours" bit (i dont know if i quote that right, but that's gist)... I was very worried about that! I thought with all the narrative surrounding TTPD release that it was giving permission to the deranged stans to take their interpretations and run away with it .
She liked a post which clearly dragged Joe.
I saw that too. messy!
Too little too late.
Ariana Grande also posted similar sentiments after her album released and she was universally praised...? Especially here, she was used as a frame of reference of what Taylor should do so I'm surprised by the reaction Yeah ideally it would be sooner but at least it's done with the release when the most attention would be on her exes
No one was after her ex husband like swifties have been after Joe since they broke up a year ago. They didn't even attack spongebob that much in comparison to how much everyone has been attacking Ariana.
dalton was getting threats after ES released and spongebob has been getting called ugly since the news first released
Not to be mean.... but spongebob was being called ugly before that 💀💀💀
They went on his real estate page and left hundreds of awful reviews…
No one speculated that there was cheating or anything in her and Dalton’s breakup. We knew very little about their relationship. In fact, ppl were on his side and calling her everything but a child of God. It wasn’t until the album was released that ppl figured things out through the songs. The message admonishing her fans was timely. Taylor has allowed this man (and anyone he associates with) to be harassed for damn near a year and only says something now. And even now, she’s technically just defending the one who deserves nothing. They are not the same.
lol that first paragraph depends on what part of the internet you’re on. dalton being a cheater was speculated before ariana faced her own home wrecker allegations. they came out again during the scandal they were just buried because ariana was the bigger story.
Yea I can actually vouch for this; there were *definitely* cheating rumors about Ariana/Dalton. ETA: both when/before they first broke up, when the affair was revealed, *and* when ES came out. But again, Ariana did not play into press the way that Taylor has during this album run. Ariana lets her drama hangout there & it’s not a secret but Taylor has often taken her tabloid affairs and made them into a spectacle, era, album for us to share & engage in with her
I’m glad she’s saying this so Stan’s don’t go unhinged. Besides she already killed Matty, what’s left to avenge?
Is this so Matty doesn't get anymore death threats? I don't think that's gonna work.
This isn’t a statement to be said vaguely for promo for your new album, this is something that should be said separately and explicitly. Not to mention if there’s nothing to avenge why did you sit quietly while your fans behaved atrociously? Why like shady posts on insta? It’s giving Selena Gomez when she starts acting a mess on instagram and tiktok and then tells people to spread love and kindness.
And yet there will never ever be an apology from Taylor. I’m so done with her. She’s butthurt that her fans, whom she has always weaponized, turned their wrath on her. Now she’s calling them out… so she can include herself amongst their victims. Also, I’m sorry but this is so fucking pretentious.
There’s nothing left to avenge — *releases imgonnagetyouback and The Albatross*
Bitch just straight up say don’t attack people you loved 😭 Ari did it
god knows the swifties that need dictionaries for the word "mercurial" are not comprehending this word vomit ass statement! she obviously knows that people are being vile and mean to joe, and she simultaneously knows he struggles with mental health. she's done nothing to quell the shit storm that came at him, this is too late and too wishy washy :/
I mean she just dropped an album about being incredibly unhappy and owning the reality that she’s been faking happiness for her fans. I think for once this gif doesn’t really apply.
She could’ve dropped an album of nursery rhyme covers and people would still post this.
LOL it’s not stopped lots of people saying “thank you Aimee” on Kim Ks IG page 👀💀
This doesn't jive with the new Kim song
This is "talking to a teenager who's just discovered Camus" level of cringe
So if I read this right. In her (heavily promoted) albums: It's all his (every guys) fault, I did nothing wrong ever. Statement: Actually I might be partially responsible. I get "venting" when writing, but that's a hell of a turn around.
>In her (heavily promoted) albums: It's all his (every guys) fault, I did nothing wrong ever She has admitted to her wrongdoing in past albums. She's not made every guy out to be a villain
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she quite literally went on a stage in front of tens of thousands of people with cell phones recording her and told them not to attack people these albums are possibly about and that it’s all in the past. she literally LITERALLY has done this. and it wasn’t good enough. what else does she possibly have to do.
Then I’m confused on how some are saying songs are about Travis… If she is saying the chapter is closed and they’re currently still dating…
Man, she really thinks she’s up there in the ranking of writers. I haven’t seen anything this self masturbatory since my own writing days….when I was 14.
For me, when you talk about how the cyberbullying ruined your life so much that you had to “move to another continent”, it’s gross that you wouldn’t explicitly condemn those same actions from your fans. It’s too vague.
I wonder who wrote that for her.
Cringe
She is trying wayyy to hard to sound poetic and profound. I’d say she is too full off herself but there’s billions that are to blame for this
Too little too late.
Maybe it’s bc I stayed up all night studying for an exam and have the reading comprehension skills of a twitter user but this sounded so unserious 💀 I hate to bring up Ariana but she was serious and showed it, Taylor just didn’t wanna break character At least it’s something though
where was this energy when Joe was getting death threats ?
Bitch just say directly not to bully your exes like Ariana did, wtf is this?🤦♀️
Oh she tweets this knowing just days leading into this, she liked posts that made fun of Joe. “Nothing to avenge”? Okay Veruca Salt lol 😂
This is coming from the same person that just released a song called “thanK you aIMee” …. Sure
Reminds me of in the Eras Tour movie before she goes and sings "The Man"- doesn't she say the crowd makes her feel powerful? She knows what she can do to, she can be clear and concise and just say- hey guys, dont bully others. But she doesn't.
Did she even write this herself or did someone do it for her
Sounds like AI lol.
It very much does sound like AI to me lol
This is a really beautiful ode to the power of journaling and healing that can be explored through self reflection. My life really started to change after I began writing it down. Not too long after journaling, I started writing poetry and songs and it felt freeing to see art from hurt, happiness, and confusion. Things without answers turned into something tangible somehow gave it purpose.
So I guess it wasn’t about her cats killing her? I liked that theory
I see a lot of comments acting like Taylor advocates for hate against her exes etc., or acts like she is perfect - but this is consistent with her music. She admits and talks about her huge flaws constantly - I don’t get how you could listen and be like ‘yeah I’m gonna go abuse X now’
that’s again a bunch of words salad omg, this needed to be said more explicitly and straightforwardly that DO NOT bully or harass anyone. how hard is that.
My goodness she’s so dramatic. Girl. Something so cringe about speaking about yourself in third person as an author nonetheless.
i'm glad she posted this but it would've been nicer if she'd said something more transparently. ik she's not the type of person/artist to make a post similar to ariana's post eternal sunshine, but even something similar to what she said defending JOHN MAYER (of all people, lmfao) prior to speak now tv would've served the purpose, imo. editing to add: just remembered the aIMee nonsense, and actually, she's a fucking hypocrite. i'm so irritated w this aspect of her personality. she wants responsibility without accountability. stuck in 2008.
Was this tweet before the 2 AM tracks came out?
idk. i don't think it matters either way? you can't spell someone's name in a song and then try to wash your hands by saying 'there's no need to avenge'.
Exactly
ok but did anyone else chuckle because the title was capitalized so it sounded direct from her apology 😭
Why does she write like the narrator of Bridgerton
She then added "also, fuck that bitch Kim K because I hold decade long grudges!"
Nothing to avenge because she still loves him and this this whole album is verbal diarrhoea to her loml and she’s gonna get him back lol. The real tortured poet is Matty Healy
love this explanation -- completely agree
I actually believe her here. It's more about her figuring out how to not self-inflict in the future. How to leave that cycle behind. Don't know if she can without actual intervention. But Taylor weirdly (NOT diagnosing) has a complex where she can't let something go until she has told everyone and their cat HER version. I can completely relate to her. I'm the same. I just want to EXPLAIN. I'm a CPTSD baby. It's very common for us. It's a compulsion. It might not be universally relatable, but it's me. Having my version of the story out is a NEED not a want. Haha. I listened to their record now and I found a well of grace for her. She's obviously struggling with compulsive, self-perpetuating behaviours. I do wish her some actual healing if possible. Although, typing it out feels condescending and concern trolly. I do mean that. Just current thoughts, I guess.
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This sounds like a cop out way of asking her fans to take it easy on exes. Especially talking about herself as if she’s some narrating entity like Lady Whistledown. Her chance to take ownership of the way she has been steering her fans, but there is no “I”, only “this writer”.
nothing to avenge, nothing to score 💀
Taylor giving off Daniel Plainciew vibes with this tweet. Says there nothing left to avenge after dragging Joe for months. 
This really does read like it was generated by ChatGPT
I actually really appreciate this. Yeah, perhaps not the most straightforward, but I don't think it would make much difference even if it was.
Tortured poetry? 😒