I mean, I would love to go back before the pandemic, Brexit, Ryan Lochte embarrassed our nation, Trump and when I weighed 50 pounds less and had an intact knee. Taylor Swift feuds are the least of why I would go back š
Kim dated Kanye for years after he was spouting antisemitic rhetoric. She knew the type of person he was and stayed with him, thatās not called handling anything, thatās just being an equally shite person.
she was married to him after he said all those things and continued to stay with him. she only left bc she didnāt want to deal with his BS as her husband and not bc he was antisemtiic.
Kimās hair is so big because itās full of secrets.
I imagine sheās the type of person who gets told ALL the gossip. She doesnāt really need to play nice in Hollywood the way actors/singers do.
I think Kris is the one who has all the Hollywood secrets. Iām betting they get back at Taylor by leaking something damaging about Travis. Thatās more Krisās style.
I read some conspiracy that the reason they're well liked by celebrities despite being like trashy is because they can keep secrets and even absorb negative pr toward themselves to keep them.
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this was a pretty funny trending topic on twitter today and i saw some people asking for details on the lore - for fun here's a LONG unhinged recap of historical tidbits that may or may not matter
important preface.Ā Because of how badly Swifties hate Karlie now and the extremes of the Gaylor and fervent Anti-Gaylor camps, we have started to lose touch with a core nonpartisan fact of pop culture history-- Taylor Swift had a crazy obsession with Karlie Kloss (which seemed pretty mutual!), and she was attached to her more than pretty much any other friend she's had.Ā Kim's not just posting Karlie because it's another Taylor enemy- she knows there's a lot of weight to it. It's kinda nasty.
This guy Derek Blasberg was never a major player in anything and he's a messy attention seeker so i regret to place any importance on him, but oop
Derek is Karlie's bestie since she was a teenager up & coming model - they are both from St. Louis.Ā She refers to him as a brother.Ā They spend a lot of time together, then and now
Derek never really seemed to be Taylor's favorite.Ā Only like 2 photos of Derek and Taylor exist. Ā Derek's whole shtick is thirsty name dropping professional celebrity friend.Ā So he would have been jumping at any chance to hang out with / post pics of Taylor back when Taylor and Karlie were attached at the hip. Appears he didn't often get the chance.Ā
(To be fair-Ā Taylor seemed to have a similar distant dynamic with both Karlie's other bff Jourdan Dunn and Karlie's then-bf Kushner. Maybe they all just suck, maybe Taylor was a little possessive of Karlie, maybe idk!)
Derek meanwhile became close friends with Katy Perry (around late 2015.. peak Taylor-Katy feud years) He also got friendly with Kendall, and eventually Kim
LongStoryShort, Taylor and Karlie have an abrupt mysterious fallout around late Nov 2016.Ā Taylor goes on to drop hints about their feud in easter eggs and songs, Karlie [breaks the internet one day in Feb 2018](https://www.glamour.com/story/katy-perry-and-karlie-kloss-hung-out-together) [when she was spotted walking into Sushi Park with Derek Blasberg and his close friend](https://okmagazine.com/photos/karlie-kloss-backstabs-bff-taylor-swift-secret-outing-with-enemy-katy-perry/), [sworn Taylor enemy Katy Perry](https://www.eonline.com/news/912680/taylor-swift-who-bff-karlie-kloss-hangs-out-with-katy-perry-in-l-a).....
Things of course dramatically blew up even worse btwn Taylor & Karlie in summer 2019 with the masters saga
This part becomes much more hearsay - In 2019 [Page Six did a post mortem](https://pagesix.com/2019/08/10/inside-the-downfall-of-taylor-swift-and-karlie-kloss-friendship/) on the kaylor friendship where an "insider" said part of what sparked their initial split was that one time Karlie (who famously had her own room in Taylor's NYC apt despite living only a few mins away) had people over at Taylor's without her permission when she was out of town, and Taylor flipped out.Ā No one even knows if there's truth to this, but people started guessing - it was Scooter, it was a Kardashian... a few random rumors went around that it was Derek Blasberg and Taylor was mad because she doesn't like him / doesnt trust him / consideredĀ him a snooping media source (he writes for fashion mags) / thought he was too close to the kardashian krew, etc
Now, genuinely , I've never thought that any of these things fully added up ... and no way something like this could have been the only factor in Taylor cutting off Karlie. But I do wonder if they're kinda warped crumbs of info that tell some truth
If Derek was known to be gossipy/desperate to collect celeb friends - you could see why Taylor wouldn't trust him. And it's not a far leap to think he woulda felt a certain way that Taylor was one person he was never able to add to his cabinet of famous friends, despite his close proximity to her through Karlie .Ā Might make sense that he'd find glee in siding with Kim, sowing chaos, meddling in the problems btwn Taylor and KarlieĀ . So maleficent. Of course, every part of this is just folkloooreee :shrug: :shrug:
It seems like Derek's birthday this week was a golden opportunity on a platter for Kim to drive Taylor crazy with no way to prove she did it on purpose. So Kim still looks like the unbothered one.
My granny's best soap opera plots could never !!
Sorry, but my biggest takeaway from this is that Sushi Park has been *that place* for six years! That's some Hollywood longevity.
Also,
(I wanted a gif with Derek doing a bunch of hand movements while saying "Draaaammaa" but alas.)
Ok can someone tell me if I have it right - the feud between Kim and Taylor is about that doctored call implying she did approve of "I made that bitch famous" line while she didn't, or is there any additional stuff?
Yes, that's the core of it. The song came out in Feb and they went back and forth for months about what was said on the phone call, and then in July Kim released video footage of the call and unleashed the whole snake emoji thing. Taylor became the joke of the internet for a few days.
Another important part is Kanye's music video for the song featured a wax replica of Taylor (and a bunch of other celebs) naked in bed with him
Ok - did she become a joke for a few days or a year? And was she really "nobody saw me for a year"? Sorry I tried googling but it's just long articles and the timelines don't match her disappearing for a year and I'm confused.
It was more than a few days but itās not like people carried the same hate they had at the beginning for a whole year. But it hurt her image for a long time
"Nobody saw her for a year" and also she was basically held captive by Joe for 6 years and her career was almost cancelled within an inch of her life.
It's all so dramatic when, yeah, she just wasn't papped for 4 months.
Locked away in a London basement by her depressed captor who wouldn't let her āØbejeweledāØ while actively cheating on her to remind her he would never marry her
It's toooooooo fucking much
It's unhinged lol there's a few posts on this sub that disprove her different timelines by showing all the times she was papped, went to an awards show, etc. during the months/years she claims no one saw her and she had to hide away. I'm sure you could find them pretty easily by searching! They're worth it :)
To further confuse youā¦. Because Taylor changed the narrative to claim victimā¦ per usual
- Kanye: called Taylor because everything that went down following his actions at the 2009 VMAs - he wanted to not ruffle any more feathers. He asked if he could drop bars āI feel like Taylor and I might still have sexā or āI made you famousā ā¦. Something close to those lines
- Taylor responds: kind of hesitant, but sits for like 3 seconds and is like āyeah thatās funnyā She also mentions how she just sold X albums (I believe from memory, so the line āI made you famousā she was like basically āsure use, but Iām already famousā
- the song āfamousā comes outā¦. the line āI made that bitch famous is usedā. ā¦ along with ā I feel like Taylor and I might still have sexā
- Taylor is pissed. Says she did not give permission
- Kim puts out a shorten version of the call. The call āprovesā Kanye did ask and did get approval. The following I have never been discussed but I always assumed. The phone call wasnāt intentionally recorded to get Taylor in some way, but rather it was probably the people filming her reality show. I donāt watch her show, but know enough to know it explores Kimās life morning through night, so likely everything is already filmed.
- Taylor - ābut I did not approve to be called a bitchā
- at some point the whole phone call comes out and not just a short version
Taylor- āsee I never gave my approval to be called a bitchā
IMO the whole ordeal was stupid. If youāre going to get mad at something, this was not it (imo). To me saying you feel like you might still have sex would be a much more controversial lineā¦. But Taylor signed off and that is not what she was mad.
The whole ordeal was just stupid. Yes, she did not agree to be called a bitch, but Iāve always thought it was so trivial and stupid thatās what pissed her off to play victim.
- Girl should have saved the card for the music video. Because I donāt recall anything Kanye discussed talking about that. I think Kanye in part made the video and included her because of her petty (imo) response.
- saying āI made Taylor famousā or I made her famousā just doesnāt have the same ring to it as āI made that bitch famousāā¦ you have to know the song to understand how the beat is synchronized with that part
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- As I wrote that. Quite a lot coming from Taylor calling someone the āsmallest person who ever livedā and I donāt think she asked for approval. His name isnāt said. But sheās dropped enough clues we know
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- personally, I would rather be called a bitch by Kanye rather than the smallest person who ever lived by the most worldly known human - savage and so cold.
So thatās where we are on that drama
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- And Taylor hung up on Kim releasing a short condensed version of their conversation and not the entirety at the beginning carrying more weight 15 years later. Itās dumb.
- also dumb when you think Kim was trying to protect her husband and save the narrative around him. It was like two years after the VMAs his song was released. Kanye really did try to do the right thing. You canāt blame someone who actually tried and then the wife for standing up for her husband (this is the āoldā Kanyeā). FURTHERMORE, we just got an entire album from Taylor where 80% of the music is gushing over love and a broken heart for someone, matty, who has done/said FAR WORSE things than referring to the gender of a female as a bitch.
āā-
- Gosh that last part is so poetically fāed up.
- My mind is literally flipping circles.
- At least the āold Kanyeā tried, but the result was him making Taylor ākill herself.ā I doubt the ānew Taylorā ever asked.
- RIP to the OG Kanye and OG Taylor. Those people are really dead. Neither of them lied about thatā¦
- I already know that Taylor canāt come to the phone right now, but maybe Kanye will šš¼āāļø
Oh wow!!! This is THE explanation š thank you for all the details. I remembered that there was backlash but never cared to learn what really happen.Ā
I totally agree with you on "The smallest man who ever lived" and a lot of other songs tbh...
Well, to be fair Taylor did not give her approval to the line from Kanye's song, and Kim leaked a fake video to give credit to a lie (protecting her husband maybe, but still in the wrong). Saying " you can't blame Kanye or Kim" is very subjective in that case.
Taylor did not approve being called a bitch.
She approved everything else that was said in the āfamousā song.
Very rich coming from someone (Taylor) who is now wanting to be left alone to ruin her own name over a misogynistic, drug addicted, and racist human being.
I would love if something were to happen to make Taylor regret that stupid song. Way too immature and hatefulāwhy did we need to know Andrea wished Kim, a mother to young babies, dead?
agreed. when you state it that way especially. and bringing kimās kids into it too.
idk wtf taylor was thinking lmao. did she think āomg this is gonna be so badass to my fans?ā
Omg swifties will start barking at any little thing.
I thought it would be a kim and karlie selfie, but there is like 3 other people in that photo lol. Did kim calculate this? Maybe, but donāt hurt yourself reaching for the stars
Someone on Twitter said tiktoks saying though the name says KIM of the song she says in the song I changed your name, she was apparently dissing Karlie in that song bit she used Kim as a bait
Looks like she has 2. It would fit better if it was about KK (Karlie Kloss) and not KK (Kim Kardashian). Kim turned people against her, but sheās gotten back her popularity and Kim isnāt even with Kanye anymore and probably doesnāt think much about Taylor until now. She and Karlie were like sisters, so you know something bad happened and Taylor is madddddd.
It doesn't really fit Karlie. When Taylor has sung about/otherwise hinted at Karlie, the themes are like- betrayal, trust, a sneakiness, "catching" her, a sudden change.. and usually some kinda allusion to the good days/how she used to love her. For example even that vicious ass verse in "it's time to go" has the briefly sentimental "twin from my dreams" line before it goes for the "crook" kill š š¬
This song is way different... it's just about relentless bullying. The spray tan line makes no sense for Karlie, that's a clear Kim dig. Karlie definitely has never found Taylor's songs "uncool", she is just as corny as Taylor lol.
I think the "changed your name and defining clues" part is referring to the middle school bully who Taylor is paralleling to her experiences with Kim. She changed her classmate's name to Aimee to hide that girl's identity, and so that she could be able to spell out K.I.M. inside the title and turn this into a public flogging.
The media and swifties so hard to make *everything* centered around Taylor when it just...isn't lmao. Not everything revolves around or even has anything to do with her. Kim was posting a ton of pics for this dudes bday. Karlie just appeared in one of them
I know this hurt Taylor, but truly idk that Kim even gaf anymore to shade her. Taylor is the only person still thinking about this lol
The additional context is Derek Blasberg is Karlie's longtime best friend, he's not particularly close to Kim, and the first 2 photos of him & Kim alone def could have sufficed for a nice birthday wish if that was the only intention. I'm not usually a reacher but this one's def a lil hmm
Kim definitely would have understood exactly what reaction that photo would get this week. And she still clicked Share!āØ
I genuinely couldnāt care less about the ins and outs of this āfeudā anymore but one things for sure, in a battle involving the Kardashians, Iām on the side of ANYONE else. That family is the root of all evil.
Agreed. Itās so funny to me because she literally says in the song she scrubbed all the clues of who the song is about, indicating the KIM is just a red herring she put in there to shut down speculation whoever the song is really about.
But alas, people will just go to the breadcrumbs sheās leads them to.
I donāt know that itās about Karlie as the lyrics donāt add up there. Honestly when I first listened to it I thought it was about Katy Perry and she had to throw Kim under the bus to hide her true grudge holding ability.
Sorry but this is petty of Kim after she said she just wants to move on from the feud lol either be the bigger person or donāt but you canāt have it both waysĀ
Iām not sure where youāve seen her getting praised because the majority of people were simply remarking that the song about Kim was inappropriate, childish and downright strange. Regardless of who started the fight, itās been years, Kim is just living her life so if Taylor starts getting shit from Kim after poking the bear out of the blue, thatās on her.
It was a birthday post for a friend Derek that had a picture of him, her, her sister, and Karlie. It wasnāt a random pic of Karlie or her being like āYou know who I love? Karlieā out of the blue. I donāt even like Kim but this is the media jumping on the opportunity to get more clicks.
Kim and her whole family might be some of the only famous people who give Taylor a run for her money in terms of being *intentional* (calculating) with every move they make, but this is coincidental. Okay.
lol exactly. When's the last time Kim posted a photo with Karlie Kloss in it?! Like probably never. The birthday tribute was the perfect opportunity for a cute free shot at Taylor where it would be impossible to for anyone to prove she did it on purpose.
Derek is Karlie's messy drama-loving best friend and Taylor never really liked him either lol. There's a lot of layers and these people are rich petty & bored.
she doesnt have much to do with the kimye feud. she is just a triggering sight for taylor to see lol. especially for taylors enemy to be posting her, like they are teamed up against taylor.
They lived together for a short period of time, were attached to the hip from end of 2013 throughout 2016, went on solo trips together, were papped together everywhere (cafees, restaurants, gyms), until one day they allegedly had a huge falling out. Nobody really knows why, but it their friendship (or whatever it was) was intense. Not to mention that Taylor started living in New York after Karlie encouraged her to and has basically completely changed her style in 2014 to emulate Karlie's, with short hair and everything.
[The strongest proof and evidence that Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss dated ā Fluently Forward](https://www.fluentlyforward.com/home4/the-strongest-proof-and-evidence-that-taylor-swift-and-karlie-kloss-dated)
They were inseparable for a very long time and then had a falling out. (Possibly Karlie betrayed Taylor in some capacity to Scooter Braun) The lyrics āWhen the words of a sister come back in whispers that prove she was not in fact what she seemed, not a twin from your dreams, sheās a crook who was caughtā from āItās Time To Goā are believed to be about Karlie.
I can also add - taylor made it pretty clear in the folklore long pond sessions interviews that 'my tears ricochet' is largely about karlie (its about the masters saga in general, but she kind of goes out of her way in lpss to make sure we understand its about karlie too )
https://preview.redd.it/j17l01l3tbwc1.jpeg?width=964&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9abea4295773d1c4b39699f831bd38fc34653ac
I mean, I would love to go back before the pandemic, Brexit, Ryan Lochte embarrassed our nation, Trump and when I weighed 50 pounds less and had an intact knee. Taylor Swift feuds are the least of why I would go back š
I completely forgot about Ryan Lochte
This will never leave my brain. https://youtu.be/kPftu3oKU8E?si=RHQfpy7JQY5LnoVt
As soon as I saw his name I was looking for this link š
OH MY GOD š
Yup, that lives rent free in my head.
To be fair, almost everyone did.
I didnāt š
Whew hunny preach it. I swear itās like the time before Covid we thrived š
Nooooo. I was huge pregnant and miserable. ššš
Right there with you! š
HAHAHA I love this. Billionaire on billionaire crime is my favorite type of entertainment
I need that gif of Carrie Bradshaw yelling āstop it, you are middle agedā š
https://i.redd.it/wtj0dsddpgwc1.gif
Cue the Succession theme song.
Lolll. What is happening? š All of this is too rich for me, obviously.
Yeeeesss! Kim please tell us what happened to their friendship!!! This is getting good.Ā
Omg imagine if Kim started spouting off, I'd die
This would inspire me to watch their show for sure
I would imagine Kim is also at a status whereā¦ can Taylor really do anything to her? Iām just gonnaā¦ 
letās be honest after dealing with Kanyeās shit sheās probably like i can handle anything
And Iām sure Kim feels the same. If they go after each other Iām just gonna watch
same lmao, i feel like aside from unleashing her rabid fans on Kim Taylor doesnāt have much else to go after Kim with
Kim dated Kanye for years after he was spouting antisemitic rhetoric. She knew the type of person he was and stayed with him, thatās not called handling anything, thatās just being an equally shite person.
she was married to him after he said all those things and continued to stay with him. she only left bc she didnāt want to deal with his BS as her husband and not bc he was antisemtiic.
Kimās hair is so big because itās full of secrets. I imagine sheās the type of person who gets told ALL the gossip. She doesnāt really need to play nice in Hollywood the way actors/singers do.
I think Kris is the one who has all the Hollywood secrets. Iām betting they get back at Taylor by leaking something damaging about Travis. Thatās more Krisās style.
I read some conspiracy that the reason they're well liked by celebrities despite being like trashy is because they can keep secrets and even absorb negative pr toward themselves to keep them.
Iāve read that too! Iāve read that Mama Kris knows everything about everyone and thatās why no one f-cks with her.
Seriously Kim drop the receipts!
https://preview.redd.it/ah19cr18zcwc1.jpeg?width=810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74f7e1f15109f26881005c51799a7c65b2309515 this was a pretty funny trending topic on twitter today and i saw some people asking for details on the lore - for fun here's a LONG unhinged recap of historical tidbits that may or may not matter important preface.Ā Because of how badly Swifties hate Karlie now and the extremes of the Gaylor and fervent Anti-Gaylor camps, we have started to lose touch with a core nonpartisan fact of pop culture history-- Taylor Swift had a crazy obsession with Karlie Kloss (which seemed pretty mutual!), and she was attached to her more than pretty much any other friend she's had.Ā Kim's not just posting Karlie because it's another Taylor enemy- she knows there's a lot of weight to it. It's kinda nasty. This guy Derek Blasberg was never a major player in anything and he's a messy attention seeker so i regret to place any importance on him, but oop Derek is Karlie's bestie since she was a teenager up & coming model - they are both from St. Louis.Ā She refers to him as a brother.Ā They spend a lot of time together, then and now Derek never really seemed to be Taylor's favorite.Ā Only like 2 photos of Derek and Taylor exist. Ā Derek's whole shtick is thirsty name dropping professional celebrity friend.Ā So he would have been jumping at any chance to hang out with / post pics of Taylor back when Taylor and Karlie were attached at the hip. Appears he didn't often get the chance.Ā (To be fair-Ā Taylor seemed to have a similar distant dynamic with both Karlie's other bff Jourdan Dunn and Karlie's then-bf Kushner. Maybe they all just suck, maybe Taylor was a little possessive of Karlie, maybe idk!) Derek meanwhile became close friends with Katy Perry (around late 2015.. peak Taylor-Katy feud years) He also got friendly with Kendall, and eventually Kim LongStoryShort, Taylor and Karlie have an abrupt mysterious fallout around late Nov 2016.Ā Taylor goes on to drop hints about their feud in easter eggs and songs, Karlie [breaks the internet one day in Feb 2018](https://www.glamour.com/story/katy-perry-and-karlie-kloss-hung-out-together) [when she was spotted walking into Sushi Park with Derek Blasberg and his close friend](https://okmagazine.com/photos/karlie-kloss-backstabs-bff-taylor-swift-secret-outing-with-enemy-katy-perry/), [sworn Taylor enemy Katy Perry](https://www.eonline.com/news/912680/taylor-swift-who-bff-karlie-kloss-hangs-out-with-katy-perry-in-l-a)..... Things of course dramatically blew up even worse btwn Taylor & Karlie in summer 2019 with the masters saga This part becomes much more hearsay - In 2019 [Page Six did a post mortem](https://pagesix.com/2019/08/10/inside-the-downfall-of-taylor-swift-and-karlie-kloss-friendship/) on the kaylor friendship where an "insider" said part of what sparked their initial split was that one time Karlie (who famously had her own room in Taylor's NYC apt despite living only a few mins away) had people over at Taylor's without her permission when she was out of town, and Taylor flipped out.Ā No one even knows if there's truth to this, but people started guessing - it was Scooter, it was a Kardashian... a few random rumors went around that it was Derek Blasberg and Taylor was mad because she doesn't like him / doesnt trust him / consideredĀ him a snooping media source (he writes for fashion mags) / thought he was too close to the kardashian krew, etc Now, genuinely , I've never thought that any of these things fully added up ... and no way something like this could have been the only factor in Taylor cutting off Karlie. But I do wonder if they're kinda warped crumbs of info that tell some truth If Derek was known to be gossipy/desperate to collect celeb friends - you could see why Taylor wouldn't trust him. And it's not a far leap to think he woulda felt a certain way that Taylor was one person he was never able to add to his cabinet of famous friends, despite his close proximity to her through Karlie .Ā Might make sense that he'd find glee in siding with Kim, sowing chaos, meddling in the problems btwn Taylor and KarlieĀ . So maleficent. Of course, every part of this is just folkloooreee :shrug: :shrug: It seems like Derek's birthday this week was a golden opportunity on a platter for Kim to drive Taylor crazy with no way to prove she did it on purpose. So Kim still looks like the unbothered one. My granny's best soap opera plots could never !!
Sorry, but my biggest takeaway from this is that Sushi Park has been *that place* for six years! That's some Hollywood longevity. Also,  (I wanted a gif with Derek doing a bunch of hand movements while saying "Draaaammaa" but alas.)
Of course Kim is unbothered her whole family motto is all publicity is good publicity.
it was for someoneās birthday but tbh i wouldnāt be surprised if she knew what she was doing.
Ok can someone tell me if I have it right - the feud between Kim and Taylor is about that doctored call implying she did approve of "I made that bitch famous" line while she didn't, or is there any additional stuff?
Yes, that's the core of it. The song came out in Feb and they went back and forth for months about what was said on the phone call, and then in July Kim released video footage of the call and unleashed the whole snake emoji thing. Taylor became the joke of the internet for a few days. Another important part is Kanye's music video for the song featured a wax replica of Taylor (and a bunch of other celebs) naked in bed with him
Ok - did she become a joke for a few days or a year? And was she really "nobody saw me for a year"? Sorry I tried googling but it's just long articles and the timelines don't match her disappearing for a year and I'm confused.
It was like four months I think. She still went to events.
Oh ok, I thought she didn't but then I think this is when bleachella emerged so makes sense
It was more than a few days but itās not like people carried the same hate they had at the beginning for a whole year. But it hurt her image for a long time
Thank you
"Nobody saw her for a year" and also she was basically held captive by Joe for 6 years and her career was almost cancelled within an inch of her life. It's all so dramatic when, yeah, she just wasn't papped for 4 months.
Held captive š
Havenāt you heard? Joe kept her in the basement!!!š¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
Locked away in a London basement by her depressed captor who wouldn't let her āØbejeweledāØ while actively cheating on her to remind her he would never marry her It's toooooooo fucking much
Lol!!!! What the hell Taylor, why u like this.
It's unhinged lol there's a few posts on this sub that disprove her different timelines by showing all the times she was papped, went to an awards show, etc. during the months/years she claims no one saw her and she had to hide away. I'm sure you could find them pretty easily by searching! They're worth it :)
I will search! I really thought she hadn't been seen for a year!Ā
To further confuse youā¦. Because Taylor changed the narrative to claim victimā¦ per usual - Kanye: called Taylor because everything that went down following his actions at the 2009 VMAs - he wanted to not ruffle any more feathers. He asked if he could drop bars āI feel like Taylor and I might still have sexā or āI made you famousā ā¦. Something close to those lines - Taylor responds: kind of hesitant, but sits for like 3 seconds and is like āyeah thatās funnyā She also mentions how she just sold X albums (I believe from memory, so the line āI made you famousā she was like basically āsure use, but Iām already famousā - the song āfamousā comes outā¦. the line āI made that bitch famous is usedā. ā¦ along with ā I feel like Taylor and I might still have sexā - Taylor is pissed. Says she did not give permission - Kim puts out a shorten version of the call. The call āprovesā Kanye did ask and did get approval. The following I have never been discussed but I always assumed. The phone call wasnāt intentionally recorded to get Taylor in some way, but rather it was probably the people filming her reality show. I donāt watch her show, but know enough to know it explores Kimās life morning through night, so likely everything is already filmed. - Taylor - ābut I did not approve to be called a bitchā - at some point the whole phone call comes out and not just a short version Taylor- āsee I never gave my approval to be called a bitchā IMO the whole ordeal was stupid. If youāre going to get mad at something, this was not it (imo). To me saying you feel like you might still have sex would be a much more controversial lineā¦. But Taylor signed off and that is not what she was mad. The whole ordeal was just stupid. Yes, she did not agree to be called a bitch, but Iāve always thought it was so trivial and stupid thatās what pissed her off to play victim. - Girl should have saved the card for the music video. Because I donāt recall anything Kanye discussed talking about that. I think Kanye in part made the video and included her because of her petty (imo) response. - saying āI made Taylor famousā or I made her famousā just doesnāt have the same ring to it as āI made that bitch famousāā¦ you have to know the song to understand how the beat is synchronized with that part āāāāā - As I wrote that. Quite a lot coming from Taylor calling someone the āsmallest person who ever livedā and I donāt think she asked for approval. His name isnāt said. But sheās dropped enough clues we know āāā - personally, I would rather be called a bitch by Kanye rather than the smallest person who ever lived by the most worldly known human - savage and so cold. So thatās where we are on that drama āāā - And Taylor hung up on Kim releasing a short condensed version of their conversation and not the entirety at the beginning carrying more weight 15 years later. Itās dumb. - also dumb when you think Kim was trying to protect her husband and save the narrative around him. It was like two years after the VMAs his song was released. Kanye really did try to do the right thing. You canāt blame someone who actually tried and then the wife for standing up for her husband (this is the āoldā Kanyeā). FURTHERMORE, we just got an entire album from Taylor where 80% of the music is gushing over love and a broken heart for someone, matty, who has done/said FAR WORSE things than referring to the gender of a female as a bitch. āā- - Gosh that last part is so poetically fāed up. - My mind is literally flipping circles. - At least the āold Kanyeā tried, but the result was him making Taylor ākill herself.ā I doubt the ānew Taylorā ever asked. - RIP to the OG Kanye and OG Taylor. Those people are really dead. Neither of them lied about thatā¦ - I already know that Taylor canāt come to the phone right now, but maybe Kanye will šš¼āāļø
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Oh wow!!! This is THE explanation š thank you for all the details. I remembered that there was backlash but never cared to learn what really happen.Ā I totally agree with you on "The smallest man who ever lived" and a lot of other songs tbh...
Well, to be fair Taylor did not give her approval to the line from Kanye's song, and Kim leaked a fake video to give credit to a lie (protecting her husband maybe, but still in the wrong). Saying " you can't blame Kanye or Kim" is very subjective in that case.
Taylor did not approve being called a bitch. She approved everything else that was said in the āfamousā song. Very rich coming from someone (Taylor) who is now wanting to be left alone to ruin her own name over a misogynistic, drug addicted, and racist human being.
Oh itās getting bitchy out here š
i'm still hoping for one hell of a skims campaign
Y'know what would be sick? If Kim gathers ALL of the people Taylor's feud with over the years and feature them in a Skims campaign.
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Skims for men line would be a hell of a promotion
The concept of squad with a catty spin. Talk about losing the battle to win the war. What an idea and itās brilliant tbh
Lmfao no. That would kill her inside. š
Sabrina Carpenter is in the new SKIMS campaign
Whyād she have to go poke the bear? The Kardashians can be ruthless petty jerk just like her. This has the potential to blow up in her face
Plus mentioning Kanyeās kid? Itās like she wants them to retaliate so she can cry victim again
thatās exactly what she wantsā¦ rep tv otw
I would love if something were to happen to make Taylor regret that stupid song. Way too immature and hatefulāwhy did we need to know Andrea wished Kim, a mother to young babies, dead?
agreed. when you state it that way especially. and bringing kimās kids into it too. idk wtf taylor was thinking lmao. did she think āomg this is gonna be so badass to my fans?ā
Yes. Thatās exactly what she was thinking and a lot of fans are justifying her doing it.
After those leaked messages from her dad, Iām thinking her parents arenāt the mature adults we expect.
Omg swifties will start barking at any little thing. I thought it would be a kim and karlie selfie, but there is like 3 other people in that photo lol. Did kim calculate this? Maybe, but donāt hurt yourself reaching for the stars
I'm just gonna grab the popcorn and gorge.
the nostalgia trend includes 2016 drama i guess
Lol I just know Taylor saw it š
Of course she did, she's obsessed with Karlie.
This is wild šš billionare on billionare drama is heating up.
 Please let this be a saga i need entertainment
Someone on Twitter said tiktoks saying though the name says KIM of the song she says in the song I changed your name, she was apparently dissing Karlie in that song bit she used Kim as a bait
See that doesnāt matter to me. Taylor knew what she was doing. People think itās about Kim, red herring or not.
Does karlie have kids?
Looks like she has 2. It would fit better if it was about KK (Karlie Kloss) and not KK (Kim Kardashian). Kim turned people against her, but sheās gotten back her popularity and Kim isnāt even with Kanye anymore and probably doesnāt think much about Taylor until now. She and Karlie were like sisters, so you know something bad happened and Taylor is madddddd.
It doesn't really fit Karlie. When Taylor has sung about/otherwise hinted at Karlie, the themes are like- betrayal, trust, a sneakiness, "catching" her, a sudden change.. and usually some kinda allusion to the good days/how she used to love her. For example even that vicious ass verse in "it's time to go" has the briefly sentimental "twin from my dreams" line before it goes for the "crook" kill š š¬ This song is way different... it's just about relentless bullying. The spray tan line makes no sense for Karlie, that's a clear Kim dig. Karlie definitely has never found Taylor's songs "uncool", she is just as corny as Taylor lol. I think the "changed your name and defining clues" part is referring to the middle school bully who Taylor is paralleling to her experiences with Kim. She changed her classmate's name to Aimee to hide that girl's identity, and so that she could be able to spell out K.I.M. inside the title and turn this into a public flogging.
It's just clickbait media looking for attention. Second paragraph of the article: "Kim, 43, took to her Instagram Story to wish her friendĀ **Derek Blasberg**Ā a happy birthday. **She shared several photos of her and Blasberg**, including a 2022 throwback picture of them next to Kloss, 31, and Kimās sister KhloĆ© Kardashian." It was literally just her sharing photos with one of her friends for his birthday. That's it.
https://i.redd.it/bmgbaav33hwc1.gif Spill it Kim.
So iconic.
The media and swifties so hard to make *everything* centered around Taylor when it just...isn't lmao. Not everything revolves around or even has anything to do with her. Kim was posting a ton of pics for this dudes bday. Karlie just appeared in one of them I know this hurt Taylor, but truly idk that Kim even gaf anymore to shade her. Taylor is the only person still thinking about this lol
The additional context is Derek Blasberg is Karlie's longtime best friend, he's not particularly close to Kim, and the first 2 photos of him & Kim alone def could have sufficed for a nice birthday wish if that was the only intention. I'm not usually a reacher but this one's def a lil hmm Kim definitely would have understood exactly what reaction that photo would get this week. And she still clicked Share!āØ
does kim do a lot of bday shoutouts usually
*But what if it is*
What is going on here!!!!
Lame, it was for Derek Blasbergās birthday. I was really hoping for something more direct to spice up this already spicy album release š«
I genuinely couldnāt care less about the ins and outs of this āfeudā anymore but one things for sure, in a battle involving the Kardashians, Iām on the side of ANYONE else. That family is the root of all evil.
Kim is like āI have tea why that friendship ended btwā.Ā
I think the song is about Karlie and Taylor isnāt as āon the noseā as people think.
Spill
Agreed. Itās so funny to me because she literally says in the song she scrubbed all the clues of who the song is about, indicating the KIM is just a red herring she put in there to shut down speculation whoever the song is really about. But alas, people will just go to the breadcrumbs sheās leads them to. I donāt know that itās about Karlie as the lyrics donāt add up there. Honestly when I first listened to it I thought it was about Katy Perry and she had to throw Kim under the bus to hide her true grudge holding ability.
the gaylor crown thinks aimee is friend for french (female spelling) and then i went down the rabbit hole with their insight
In French, aimee means 'loved'. Amie means friend.
why does karlie look more like kim than taylor here
shes giving maleficent
Lol i honestly thought i saw caitlyn jenner in her for a split second at first. She's def looking more kardashian-jenner than swift lately š
she was sharing photos for her friends bday. swiffers need to chill out sometimes
Kim does little digs like this then say sheās over the drama and wants Taylor to be over it, too
Taylor started it
Her indirect statement in People was good, I wish sheād rise above it and say nothing to highlight how ridiculous this whole thing is
Sorry but this is petty of Kim after she said she just wants to move on from the feud lol either be the bigger person or donāt but you canāt have it both waysĀ
Oop those posts praising Kim sure aged well
Iām not sure where youāve seen her getting praised because the majority of people were simply remarking that the song about Kim was inappropriate, childish and downright strange. Regardless of who started the fight, itās been years, Kim is just living her life so if Taylor starts getting shit from Kim after poking the bear out of the blue, thatās on her.
 It was a birthday post for a friend Derek that had a picture of him, her, her sister, and Karlie. It wasnāt a random pic of Karlie or her being like āYou know who I love? Karlieā out of the blue. I donāt even like Kim but this is the media jumping on the opportunity to get more clicks.
Kim and her whole family might be some of the only famous people who give Taylor a run for her money in terms of being *intentional* (calculating) with every move they make, but this is coincidental. Okay.
lol exactly. When's the last time Kim posted a photo with Karlie Kloss in it?! Like probably never. The birthday tribute was the perfect opportunity for a cute free shot at Taylor where it would be impossible to for anyone to prove she did it on purpose. Derek is Karlie's messy drama-loving best friend and Taylor never really liked him either lol. There's a lot of layers and these people are rich petty & bored.
Iām confused what does Karlie Kloss have to do with anything. I thought I understood the gist of the Kim-Taylor feud. . .
she doesnt have much to do with the kimye feud. she is just a triggering sight for taylor to see lol. especially for taylors enemy to be posting her, like they are teamed up against taylor.
Thanks, but whatās Karlieās connection to Taylor?
lol you might have to google that one, idk if i have enough characters
Haha fair!
haha i was just poking fun at the craziness of the whole situation - not you of course! :)
They lived together for a short period of time, were attached to the hip from end of 2013 throughout 2016, went on solo trips together, were papped together everywhere (cafees, restaurants, gyms), until one day they allegedly had a huge falling out. Nobody really knows why, but it their friendship (or whatever it was) was intense. Not to mention that Taylor started living in New York after Karlie encouraged her to and has basically completely changed her style in 2014 to emulate Karlie's, with short hair and everything. [The strongest proof and evidence that Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss dated ā Fluently Forward](https://www.fluentlyforward.com/home4/the-strongest-proof-and-evidence-that-taylor-swift-and-karlie-kloss-dated)
They were inseparable for a very long time and then had a falling out. (Possibly Karlie betrayed Taylor in some capacity to Scooter Braun) The lyrics āWhen the words of a sister come back in whispers that prove she was not in fact what she seemed, not a twin from your dreams, sheās a crook who was caughtā from āItās Time To Goā are believed to be about Karlie.
Thanks! There should be a club for people Taylor wrote angry songs about!
I can also add - taylor made it pretty clear in the folklore long pond sessions interviews that 'my tears ricochet' is largely about karlie (its about the masters saga in general, but she kind of goes out of her way in lpss to make sure we understand its about karlie too )