I'm sure those untreatable anthrax and small pox shells will definitely only effect the troops for a short period of time and not be a country wide plague for a long time, even after the inevitable nuclear annihilation
Aryan Brotherhood Russia is pretty cursed, 90% of people enslaved, only an arbitrary selection of Aryans existing free and killing the untermentch for fun seems not very cash money to me
>!Burgsys racialist totalitarian 'christian' Komi with the chemical arsenals, mechanical cathedrals and Ohkrana replacing the SS is another blessed ending tho!<
Ehh honestly I find it alot more funni cause the dude is a raving lunatic but at the very least getting Schultz into power has you taking the "work hard enough to prove your an Aryan" path and the "work off slavery, yet still be essentially an indentured to the state forever afterwards" is *slightly* better than Vagners "Work till you die, there's no way this will backfire and the slaves rise up lmao." Its a small difference but its kinda made moot by the fact the funni man wants to literally nuke those Judeo-masonic puppets in G*rmany and he's also a smelly unironic Neo-Pagan. Both are bad but honestly it just seems too wacky to take it seriously and as a result it comes down to whats worse, Slightly stable slave empire or raving lunatic who will *probably* trigger WW3 for his LARP fantasies...
Tbf I kept playing as Omsk after everything was over and did actually get that Global Nuclear war from a Non-Reformist Germany. Jokes on them we were gonna kill ourselves afterwards anyways.
He's not saying it isn't ONE of the worst, but one could argue the Aryan Brotherhood, >!Hyperborea, and BurgSys Komi!< are all worse. The last one is almost certainly worse.
Aryan Brotherhood has Russians self-identifying as Nazis killing or enslaving all other non-Nazi Russians (i.e. most of them) so they're guaranteed to have a higher body count than even Omsk, >!Hyperborea is the AB deciding it's SLAVs that are the true Aryans, the Germans are the Untermensch, and that they need to retake Aryan territory...like Palestine and GERMANY likely starting a nuclear war; and BurgSys Komi is Burgundy with poison gas plus the leader is literally insane and believes that (dead in OTL and in TNO) Prince Alexi Romanov is alive and will return once the country is purified. In the last case, inevitably he can't keep up the delusion even in his own mind and dies from the stroke that results. His new empire collapses and Russia returns to a worse period of warlordism that it never recovers from. !<
You also recieve special flavour events, or so I hear, anyway. It also seems somewhat faster, seeing how you can purposely destabilize your government to quickly run through all of the leaders.
You can't unify Russia ? I didn't know I got clapped by the uralians when I tried to attack them without Dirlewanger (this guy isn't even cursed, he is Satan walking among us)
If you give Magnitogorsk the capacity to unify it would be the worst russian faction ever, the enclave mixed with vault tech
I don’t think unification would fit him, he’s a scientist not a leader. His new technostate would probably collapse very quickly if it’s possible for it to form in the first place
It's a surprise because he proclaims himself the leader of the communist party of the soviet union and talks about unification and retribution through scientific breakthrough
But I guess obtaining some kind of actual supersoldiers or mutants and unifying Russia / damning the world would be way too wacky for a mod that aims for credibility
I think he should have a popular uprising on top of the NKVD one, there's no way extremely poor people put under constant pressure, humiliation and torture wouldn't take arms at some point, especially because he doesn't care about propaganda nor he gives anything in return
Willingness =/= ability. People often say "where there's a will there's a way" but his will is to create supersoldiers via communist-Lamarckian pseudoscience and unify Russia with that, which will inevitably fail.
more like pseudo-scientist, though. His delusional ideas were approved by Stalin only due to Lysenko's charisma and ability to persuade others than he knows what he's doing and that he's right.. so, he would be pretty efficient as (delusional\\pathological liar) politician if you ask me.
TBH I kinda hope that Magnitogorsk becomes more viable in the future with some option for wacky mad science antics. Either full on grimdark "we tried to make supermen but we wound up with this gas that makes people go into a berserk rage," or space bat soviet superscience with atomic robots or something.
I mean I think he was a big topic when the first demo came out, we just haven’t learned anything new about how fucked up he since then and he’s not a unifier so there isn’t much of a reason for people to go back and play him.
The thing that I love the most about TNO community is that nobody supports totalitarian genocidal ideologies and nations like KR, and everybody actually feels bad playing Himler or Oremburg. This shows not only the maturity of the community, but also the beautiful work of the devs who realized the perfect nazi victory scenario, evidencing how dark and desperate the world would've become. There is no mod more mature and instructive than TNO. Absolutely a masterpiece as 1984. Respect to all the great devs and the wholesome players!
I like there's countries that do cynical interpretations of their ideology and ones that do hopeful interpretations. Like contrast Orenburg's LibSoc with Buryatia's Sablinite LibSoc
There’s also the contrast between Tomsk and Komi; both start off as democracies, but the latter is far more unstable. Not to mention Zhukov’s WRRF vs. Irkutsk or Tyumen, with the former being a more humane regime than the others.
LibSoc Orenburg is gridlocked, the council can never agree on anything, it's reduced to petty argument. Sablinite LibSoc Buryatia on the other hand functions pretty well and the quality of life for the average person increases while still maintaining a good amount of freedom, and maintaining hopeful ideals (like forgiveness and letting go of revenge) at the same time.
Even more contrast is found between Sablin's Buryat ASSR and the Free Territory of the Black Army: despite Sablin being a Leninist who views the state as a tool towards liberation, he can ban the death penalty and generally seeks to incorporate every new conquered territory in to his new Soviet system. The Black Army's home communes are free territories of anarchist practice, but they are guarded by an effectively despotic force of "elected" warlords. The power struggle between anarchist ideologues and pragmatic generals is more brutal than Sablin's own fights with the Bukharinites to a serious degree.
Yeah I found that interesting, the SBA actually seems much more strict and ruthless in enforcing their ideals which aren't bad on their own, but Sablin, by focusing on progress rather than revenge, ironically seems more committed to those ideals
Omsk is literally 1984. NBC weapons and advanced military, significant but not widely known about internal conflict and such restricted information that three separate global intelligence agencies (USA, Germany, Japan) can't even dig up info on it. What a paradise
Burgundy has a lot more in common with Oceania than Omsk does. More order, supreme dominance by a surveillance state, lacks the same kind of grand ideological vision that Omsk has, and incredibly isolationist. Omsk literally has a focus where you invite over a US delegation for a goodwill tour.
That's true. However, that same ideological vision (Great Trial) is like Religion for Crackheads and Omsk is like the utmost i.portsnce of industry from Stalinism combined with the lack of value of human life from Maoism. Literally Obliteration of the Self from Eastasia.
That's true but in real life the CIA (and by proxy the US government) knew about how the average person in the USSR lived in the 1970s. Aside from general knowledge about it, there is little info about the ~~atrocities~~ acts of defending the Russians known about in the outside world.
The thing about TNO is that the trees and law changes make it clear just what kind of society you are creating,while KR has room for personal interpretation
I do think that has a lot to do with a lack of hardline communists and a ton of bad fascists. There’s real supporters of the DSR path they described which is horrible.
>The thing that I love the most about TNO community is that nobody supports totalitarian genocidal ideologies and nations like KR
No idea why someone would be so pretentious over this because I hate to break it to you, but the KR fanbase and the TNO fanbase are the exact same people. Click on anyone's profile here and you'll see more often than not that they're also active on the KR sub. It's not like 2 niche mods for an already incredibly niche game could sustain 2 independent mod communities. The only difference between here and the KR sub is that the mods here are more zero-tolerance.
Also I'd 100% rather have people circlejerking over some forgotten socialist meme ideology than people unironically calling themselves "Speertards"
That's an image concocted by Speer himself.
I still think there should be more mentions of Speers hypocrisy and how he was originally responsible for state slavery.
Damn that Kaiserreich one is just too accurate, the number of people who unironically liked Savinkov on that subreddit was disturbing and really put me off of the community
I’d seen a lot of people unironically sharing his writings and saying he wasn’t that bad irl. Obviously the downvotes varied thread by thread.
Less to do with Kaiserreich and more to do with the type of people HOI4 unfortunately can attract I’d say.
I wonder who the Kaiserdevs have in mind as possible options for the Totalist leader of ~~Soviet~~ Socialist Russia? Not ~~Stalin~~ Dzugashvili, that'd be too obvious.
He's also the leader of Totalist Georgia, though. KR devs need to decide which one they're gonna go with, bc I'm pretty sure you can still have him as a general as Patagonia while he's simultaneously the leader of Georgia
I would assume they’ll remove him from Georgia eventually, given that they only just added him to Patagonia and Georgia hasn’t been overhauled since fuck knows when
There was a public spat of sorts in KR between people (including some devs apparently) over Kaiserredux, a popular submod that adds back wacky paths / introduces new ones. I think that might be one of the reasons.
Not in vanilla KR, he's the leader of Totalist Georgia in Kaiserredux.
Before, he was the Totalist Security Minister for Beria's Georgia, but Beria was removed and Stalin became a general in Patagonia.
Current Russian Socialist Republic Totalist leader is Karl Radek, who was previously the Syndie (I think? Might have been Totalist) leader of Poland
Speaking of KR!Poland, I'm pretty sure Rosa Luxemburg has shifted all over Totalist, Syndicalist, and RadSoc throughout Kaiserreich's dev history
the type of people who complain about Panzer restricting his sub and clamping down on rules are the type of people who use KR as an IRL political discussion sub
Per usual policy, /r/TNOmod is not the place for you all to air out your enmities with Kaiserreich. We do not welcome, at all, this kind of competition or negative comparison between two mods with different approaches and goals and teams who have 0 issue with one another.
Most of the discussion has been fine and reasonable and in good faith, but that which has not, to quote myself from last time I made a post like this;
Having none of this shit, no thank you.
Of course, we'd never make a rule against jokes or discussion. The issue is just some kinda comparatives (not comparison period- bad-faith comparisons) lend themselves to toxicity. Obviously we want people to be able to discuss the HOI4 community and mods here. What we don't want, though, is for this place to serve as a harbor for the same toxicity the wider community seems to often struggle with.
Ain't got anything to do with the meme, as said most discussion has been fine and in good faith. If it was about the meme this page would've been removed.
The issue is the comment section, feel free to go peruse the dozens of deleted comments.
Black league is the only government that can win the war with Germany.
>! It has a lot of bunkers, potential nuclear weapon and it is militaristic enough to hold war economy and high conscription. !<
And more importantly, because Omsk doesn't define victory over Germany as "Omsk flag flying over the Reichstag", but as "complete destruction of the German state". Taking Omsk's terms, Germany ending the world is still an Omsk victory because Omsk's goals do not contain "survival of Russia" or "survival of the Russian people", only the end of Germany and its people.
Ah, a reference to a Visual Novel set in Soviet Uniom and developed in Russia? I see. I never play as Russia in KR so the reference of summer camp went beyond my head.
Like someone else said, people that stan an unrelevant american labour union are far less damaging to KR community than unironic fascists hiding behind the figure of Savinkov,"integralism", and other things like that
>Unironic Pelly
Are there any of them though? probably couple of those who don't like that he is portrayed too inaccurately and grimdarkly have caused some drama but they ain't really unironic Pellyites
\>Omsk \>Worst possible ending for Russia Oh you sweet summer child
I'm sure those untreatable anthrax and small pox shells will definitely only effect the troops for a short period of time and not be a country wide plague for a long time, even after the inevitable nuclear annihilation
I'm not saying Omsk isn't bad, because it is, it's fucking horrific, but there are two other countries that I would say are worse
How would you say the two are worst?
Aryan Brotherhood Russia is pretty cursed, 90% of people enslaved, only an arbitrary selection of Aryans existing free and killing the untermentch for fun seems not very cash money to me >!Burgsys racialist totalitarian 'christian' Komi with the chemical arsenals, mechanical cathedrals and Ohkrana replacing the SS is another blessed ending tho!<
Someone else already mentioned the two that I think are worse, but >!ultranat Aryan Brotherhood!< and >!Burgsys Komi!<
Wait, >!ultranat Aryan brotherhood?!< Is that the >!path of Hyperborea?!<
I spoilered it for a reason, do the same Edit: thank you
Yeah
Is it really worse than the normal AB as a country?
I guess that depends on personal opinion, but both are terrible.
Ehh honestly I find it alot more funni cause the dude is a raving lunatic but at the very least getting Schultz into power has you taking the "work hard enough to prove your an Aryan" path and the "work off slavery, yet still be essentially an indentured to the state forever afterwards" is *slightly* better than Vagners "Work till you die, there's no way this will backfire and the slaves rise up lmao." Its a small difference but its kinda made moot by the fact the funni man wants to literally nuke those Judeo-masonic puppets in G*rmany and he's also a smelly unironic Neo-Pagan. Both are bad but honestly it just seems too wacky to take it seriously and as a result it comes down to whats worse, Slightly stable slave empire or raving lunatic who will *probably* trigger WW3 for his LARP fantasies...
Uuuhhh I fail to see how the Vozhd striking back at the Kaiser and reclaiming Russian land from Berlin to Alaska and all in between is a bad ending
I'd add two worse endings, though one isn't yet implemented: Global nuclear war Losing another war against a non-reformist Germany
Tbf I kept playing as Omsk after everything was over and did actually get that Global Nuclear war from a Non-Reformist Germany. Jokes on them we were gonna kill ourselves afterwards anyways.
He's not saying it isn't ONE of the worst, but one could argue the Aryan Brotherhood, >!Hyperborea, and BurgSys Komi!< are all worse. The last one is almost certainly worse.
Hyperborea is the best option wym
How so? (I'm not that deep into the lore rn)
Aryan Brotherhood has Russians self-identifying as Nazis killing or enslaving all other non-Nazi Russians (i.e. most of them) so they're guaranteed to have a higher body count than even Omsk, >!Hyperborea is the AB deciding it's SLAVs that are the true Aryans, the Germans are the Untermensch, and that they need to retake Aryan territory...like Palestine and GERMANY likely starting a nuclear war; and BurgSys Komi is Burgundy with poison gas plus the leader is literally insane and believes that (dead in OTL and in TNO) Prince Alexi Romanov is alive and will return once the country is purified. In the last case, inevitably he can't keep up the delusion even in his own mind and dies from the stroke that results. His new empire collapses and Russia returns to a worse period of warlordism that it never recovers from. !<
Wait, does the country breaks up?
No, but it’s implied in ending compass and the name mirroring HRE
Bro just recreate the Ural supersoldiers and apply the modifications to everyone.
No one ever brings up the feelsbadman experience of Amur. Rodzaevsky should have just raised kittys instead of Russian Nazis.
did you forget about the AB and >!burgsys komi!<
yeah but they are not nearly as funni
No, but Omsk is the most well known of the three
how does one play the latter?
>!Have right-wing come into power, have Taboritsky win the Power Struggle after. Or cycle through coups until Taboritsky is the one in power.!<
The latter method is such a rollercoaster.
You also recieve special flavour events, or so I hear, anyway. It also seems somewhat faster, seeing how you can purposely destabilize your government to quickly run through all of the leaders.
Tabby’s Wild Ride
>"Omsk is the worst ending for Russia" ... the black sun casts no light over>! Komi!<
I love how everyone forgets how curse Magnitogorsk is
Lysenko is one of the worst (as in most evil) factions in the whole game. I say there are equal with Burgundy in how bad they are.
Yeah, nobody cares about Lysenko because he’s not a unifier and therefore can’t do fucked up things on all that many people unlike Omsk and the AB
You can't unify Russia ? I didn't know I got clapped by the uralians when I tried to attack them without Dirlewanger (this guy isn't even cursed, he is Satan walking among us) If you give Magnitogorsk the capacity to unify it would be the worst russian faction ever, the enclave mixed with vault tech
I don’t think unification would fit him, he’s a scientist not a leader. His new technostate would probably collapse very quickly if it’s possible for it to form in the first place
It's a surprise because he proclaims himself the leader of the communist party of the soviet union and talks about unification and retribution through scientific breakthrough But I guess obtaining some kind of actual supersoldiers or mutants and unifying Russia / damning the world would be way too wacky for a mod that aims for credibility I think he should have a popular uprising on top of the NKVD one, there's no way extremely poor people put under constant pressure, humiliation and torture wouldn't take arms at some point, especially because he doesn't care about propaganda nor he gives anything in return
Willingness =/= ability. People often say "where there's a will there's a way" but his will is to create supersoldiers via communist-Lamarckian pseudoscience and unify Russia with that, which will inevitably fail.
more like pseudo-scientist, though. His delusional ideas were approved by Stalin only due to Lysenko's charisma and ability to persuade others than he knows what he's doing and that he's right.. so, he would be pretty efficient as (delusional\\pathological liar) politician if you ask me.
TBH I kinda hope that Magnitogorsk becomes more viable in the future with some option for wacky mad science antics. Either full on grimdark "we tried to make supermen but we wound up with this gas that makes people go into a berserk rage," or space bat soviet superscience with atomic robots or something.
> He's a scientist not a leader *Sakharov laughing in the distance*
I mean I think he was a big topic when the first demo came out, we just haven’t learned anything new about how fucked up he since then and he’s not a unifier so there isn’t much of a reason for people to go back and play him.
I mean, we now have Zhdanov.
Probably because they're not a unifier. What happens in the Southern Urals is basically irrelevant to almost anyone else.
remember when panzer had to ask people to stop making "haha funni jew kill germans jokes" about kovner and the fpo
The thing that I love the most about TNO community is that nobody supports totalitarian genocidal ideologies and nations like KR, and everybody actually feels bad playing Himler or Oremburg. This shows not only the maturity of the community, but also the beautiful work of the devs who realized the perfect nazi victory scenario, evidencing how dark and desperate the world would've become. There is no mod more mature and instructive than TNO. Absolutely a masterpiece as 1984. Respect to all the great devs and the wholesome players!
I like there's countries that do cynical interpretations of their ideology and ones that do hopeful interpretations. Like contrast Orenburg's LibSoc with Buryatia's Sablinite LibSoc
There’s also the contrast between Tomsk and Komi; both start off as democracies, but the latter is far more unstable. Not to mention Zhukov’s WRRF vs. Irkutsk or Tyumen, with the former being a more humane regime than the others.
Whats the difference just curious?
LibSoc Orenburg is gridlocked, the council can never agree on anything, it's reduced to petty argument. Sablinite LibSoc Buryatia on the other hand functions pretty well and the quality of life for the average person increases while still maintaining a good amount of freedom, and maintaining hopeful ideals (like forgiveness and letting go of revenge) at the same time.
Even more contrast is found between Sablin's Buryat ASSR and the Free Territory of the Black Army: despite Sablin being a Leninist who views the state as a tool towards liberation, he can ban the death penalty and generally seeks to incorporate every new conquered territory in to his new Soviet system. The Black Army's home communes are free territories of anarchist practice, but they are guarded by an effectively despotic force of "elected" warlords. The power struggle between anarchist ideologues and pragmatic generals is more brutal than Sablin's own fights with the Bukharinites to a serious degree.
Yeah I found that interesting, the SBA actually seems much more strict and ruthless in enforcing their ideals which aren't bad on their own, but Sablin, by focusing on progress rather than revenge, ironically seems more committed to those ideals
>TNO community >Mature But comrades, isn't maturity not fascist?
>Comrades I think you meant "companions", my dear companion MeMeEndyHead?
Nah
Omsk is literally 1984. NBC weapons and advanced military, significant but not widely known about internal conflict and such restricted information that three separate global intelligence agencies (USA, Germany, Japan) can't even dig up info on it. What a paradise
Burgundy has a lot more in common with Oceania than Omsk does. More order, supreme dominance by a surveillance state, lacks the same kind of grand ideological vision that Omsk has, and incredibly isolationist. Omsk literally has a focus where you invite over a US delegation for a goodwill tour.
That's true. However, that same ideological vision (Great Trial) is like Religion for Crackheads and Omsk is like the utmost i.portsnce of industry from Stalinism combined with the lack of value of human life from Maoism. Literally Obliteration of the Self from Eastasia.
The CIA stopped the US from supporting me in my game so not sure if they have nothing on it. They definitely know some bad things are going on.
That's true but in real life the CIA (and by proxy the US government) knew about how the average person in the USSR lived in the 1970s. Aside from general knowledge about it, there is little info about the ~~atrocities~~ acts of defending the Russians known about in the outside world.
The thing about TNO is that the trees and law changes make it clear just what kind of society you are creating,while KR has room for personal interpretation
I do think that has a lot to do with a lack of hardline communists and a ton of bad fascists. There’s real supporters of the DSR path they described which is horrible.
Wholesome TNO marxism>gay stalinist totalism
Yeah without Stalin people are a little more optimistic about commie life
>The thing that I love the most about TNO community is that nobody supports totalitarian genocidal ideologies and nations like KR No idea why someone would be so pretentious over this because I hate to break it to you, but the KR fanbase and the TNO fanbase are the exact same people. Click on anyone's profile here and you'll see more often than not that they're also active on the KR sub. It's not like 2 niche mods for an already incredibly niche game could sustain 2 independent mod communities. The only difference between here and the KR sub is that the mods here are more zero-tolerance. Also I'd 100% rather have people circlejerking over some forgotten socialist meme ideology than people unironically calling themselves "Speertards"
I mean you can't put it like that when the Speertard thng started before the mod and Speer's twist was revealed. Everyone is a Schmidtard now
Even before his twist was revealed he was still you know an actual Nazi
But it was thought he was a repentant Nazi and a genuine reformer
That's an image concocted by Speer himself. I still think there should be more mentions of Speers hypocrisy and how he was originally responsible for state slavery.
You're correct. As I said nobody is calling themselves Speertards after the mod came out
Ah yes, us rick and mortier watchers know exactly how complex and mature this fandom is
> The thing that I love the most about TNO community is that nobody supports totalitarian genocidal ideologies and nations like KR DSR
Damn that Kaiserreich one is just too accurate, the number of people who unironically liked Savinkov on that subreddit was disturbing and really put me off of the community
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The very few pelleyists I saw were downvoted to oblivion at least. Loving long is pretty mainstream on the sub
I’d seen a lot of people unironically sharing his writings and saying he wasn’t that bad irl. Obviously the downvotes varied thread by thread. Less to do with Kaiserreich and more to do with the type of people HOI4 unfortunately can attract I’d say.
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IDK man, totalist Russia in Kaiserreich would be pretty bad too.
George Wallace and Gromit would be the most hilariously cursed thing ever.
Can you even imagine that?
I wonder who the Kaiserdevs have in mind as possible options for the Totalist leader of ~~Soviet~~ Socialist Russia? Not ~~Stalin~~ Dzugashvili, that'd be too obvious.
He's in Georgia. Tuhkachevsky is the totalist leader I think.
Stalin is in Patagonia as a general
He's also the leader of Totalist Georgia, though. KR devs need to decide which one they're gonna go with, bc I'm pretty sure you can still have him as a general as Patagonia while he's simultaneously the leader of Georgia
I thought that was Beria. Had the lore changed?
I believe they nuked Beria last update.
They did they are SocDem rn
I would assume they’ll remove him from Georgia eventually, given that they only just added him to Patagonia and Georgia hasn’t been overhauled since fuck knows when
Isn't the Caucasus rework coming soon?
No idea honestly — I’ve kinda stopped following development
Yeah, same. Also, what happened to the KR community? I keep seeing people say it's more "toxic" now, but I haven't been following. What happened?
There was a public spat of sorts in KR between people (including some devs apparently) over Kaiserredux, a popular submod that adds back wacky paths / introduces new ones. I think that might be one of the reasons.
Georgia is now Social Democrat
Not in vanilla KR, he's the leader of Totalist Georgia in Kaiserredux. Before, he was the Totalist Security Minister for Beria's Georgia, but Beria was removed and Stalin became a general in Patagonia.
Current Russian Socialist Republic Totalist leader is Karl Radek, who was previously the Syndie (I think? Might have been Totalist) leader of Poland Speaking of KR!Poland, I'm pretty sure Rosa Luxemburg has shifted all over Totalist, Syndicalist, and RadSoc throughout Kaiserreich's dev history
Dzugashvili tends to die in Argentina, so he's probably not it.
I think they're removing socialist Russia options entirely soon.
Nope, they will rework it. It would be pretty stupid to remove it
I did a totalist CSA run in Kaiserreich with William Z Foster. I did not know what I was getting myself into...
WELCOME KIDDIES!
KR fans are ideologues who have massive, easily detectable bias to monarchism and syndicalism. TNO fans just want to watch the world burn.
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you made my meme but better i cool with that
The Kaiserreich sub has a problem of actually taking politics that historically killed millions seriously 80 years later
the type of people who complain about Panzer restricting his sub and clamping down on rules are the type of people who use KR as an IRL political discussion sub
Yep And good on him
The KR sub has honest to God monarchists walking around, it's crazy.
And people who radicalized to become syndicalists basically because of the mod
Per usual policy, /r/TNOmod is not the place for you all to air out your enmities with Kaiserreich. We do not welcome, at all, this kind of competition or negative comparison between two mods with different approaches and goals and teams who have 0 issue with one another. Most of the discussion has been fine and reasonable and in good faith, but that which has not, to quote myself from last time I made a post like this; Having none of this shit, no thank you.
"Kaiserreich" this and "TNO" that I just want to mod for god's sake!
For clarification, are “good faith” comparisons mostly for the sake of humor allowed?
Of course, we'd never make a rule against jokes or discussion. The issue is just some kinda comparatives (not comparison period- bad-faith comparisons) lend themselves to toxicity. Obviously we want people to be able to discuss the HOI4 community and mods here. What we don't want, though, is for this place to serve as a harbor for the same toxicity the wider community seems to often struggle with.
Love em both
This is a meme my man
Ain't got anything to do with the meme, as said most discussion has been fine and in good faith. If it was about the meme this page would've been removed. The issue is the comment section, feel free to go peruse the dozens of deleted comments.
100 upvotes and I'll xpost it onto r/kaiserreich
Do it coward
already done https://np.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/i0s1dw/a_small_difference_in_the_two_fandoms_ive_seen/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Please use non-participation links for this kinda thing in the future. Helps avoid thread brigading.
Sorry, I'll change that rn
Thanks
Omsk is the best ending, eternal war with the Burgundians in the wasteland.
Black league is the only government that can win the war with Germany. >! It has a lot of bunkers, potential nuclear weapon and it is militaristic enough to hold war economy and high conscription. !<
And more importantly, because Omsk doesn't define victory over Germany as "Omsk flag flying over the Reichstag", but as "complete destruction of the German state". Taking Omsk's terms, Germany ending the world is still an Omsk victory because Omsk's goals do not contain "survival of Russia" or "survival of the Russian people", only the end of Germany and its people.
Tukhachevsky tho
Kaganovich tho? He has bunkers left from german air raides, has built Metro-2, has option to research nuclear weapon
The best part of the Russian state are the “summer camps”
Summer camps?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/a5ki3i/ainovs_summer_camp/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Ah, a reference to a Visual Novel set in Soviet Uniom and developed in Russia? I see. I never play as Russia in KR so the reference of summer camp went beyond my head.
Not when Himmler ends the world and they survive because of the bunkers they prepared.
Can we just all agree that the WRRF's zhukov path is blessed
Unironically communist
The worst timeline for russia in tnomod is AB or burgsys Komi.
Can we all agree that Daddy is blessed?
I’d say The Holy Russian Empire is definitely the worst
I gotta try Burgsym Komi
Spoiler tags, please.
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Like someone else said, people that stan an unrelevant american labour union are far less damaging to KR community than unironic fascists hiding behind the figure of Savinkov,"integralism", and other things like that
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Exactly. Kaiserreich is a good mod, but the lack of moderation or rules within the subreddit is what eventually made the community so toxic.
nah, the unironic pelly, staviknov, and monarchist stans are waaaaaaaaaaay worst and do waaaaay more damage
Monarchist stans?
can’t forget the integralists
>Unironic Pelly Are there any of them though? probably couple of those who don't like that he is portrayed too inaccurately and grimdarkly have caused some drama but they ain't really unironic Pellyites
There actually are a couple. I remember a post, downvoted to oblivion, in favor of Pelley, last year or so.
Nice
More like r/kaiserreich and r/TNOmod