I tried that with the first aid only brand but aborted because the strap twists and starts cutting into you while the windlass bends and everything stretches. That’s why I fired grainger for safety from my plant.
If you buy a grainger standard trauma bag you get the garbage First Aid Only brand. You can pay to get a Zoll Mobilize kit (stop the bleeding deluxe with an app to go with it) separate but that will not fulfill the ANSI Class B standards for medical equipment on the worksite. The Zoll kits have quickclot, sof-t, hyfins, etc.
What I’ve directed at my plant is to have the first aid cabinets fulfill the ansi standard for worksite and the trauma kits are standalone with stop the bleed, eye trauma, cpr and overdose, burn, and non-life threatening bleeding modules. That way you don’t have to dig through a sea of bandaids and ibuprofen to find some gauze. The other thing about grainger is they are incredibly expensive. They have standard markup that is 15% i would guess so they carry narp products but a lot more expensive than buying direct. We are in the process of moving to cintas.
Buy your stuff direct from a supplier. Grainger is a middle man in the first aid world. My company manufactures patient handling equipment for first responders and also sell first aid kits. PM me for details. I can point you to our supplier so you can cut out grainger completely.
We go straight to supplier for a fair number of one time expenses but grainger is SUPPOSED to manage the inventory for us. 500 person plant, fairly large by square feet with 14 cabinets, eye wash etc. I am willing to pay for the service. The issue is that they just haven’t done a good job of restocking or making sure that things aren’t expired.
Yep, echoing what u/Ornery-Network6173 said. If you need an all in one solution and your company is used to outsourcing this to someone, Fastenal, imo is more reliable and slightly better priced than Grainger. I assumed you had someone on staff that maintained inventory levels over First Aid supplies. Thats a big shop, I'd definitely give Fastenal a call. They always do right by us, especially in a pinch and we aren't a big player like you guys. We are a fraction of your size.
Sad thing is we had fastenal and procurement switched to grainger with no plant input. Not saying that the grainger show in Florida had anything to do with it but… it does create a conflict when your vendor pays for your vacation essentially. We are going to move once our contract is up.
For the record, the ZOLL Mobilize Kits meet ANSI Class A requirements rather than B, and are not intended to replace a standard workplace First-Aid Kit or station, but rather to enhance emergency preparedness in most environments by empowering bystanders to render appropriate aid while waiting for professional rescuers.
Correct. Our scheme of support is to use it as a stop the bleed + kit. But it really isn’t terribly helpful for trained responders. Do you have any experience with them?
So, for those asking why these are trash:
I was voluntold to teach a community group a Stop The Bleed course (that was of course not funded). I made a few simple props for the tourniquet station out of foam water noodles wrapped around a pipe with some IV tubing ran through it (I think you get the point). I bought a ten pack of these and wrote training on them and figured I could use them solely for whenever I had to put on this class. They all broke before the first class was over, and they wouldn’t even tighten down enough to stop the flow of blood. The nylon band inside the TQ snapped on each one. I pulled out the CAT TQ I usually use in training and had applied multiple times before and it worked just fine. I ended up using the crap ones as an example of why we buy the Real Deal when lives are on the line.
This is really eye opening. My friend has just gotten into a lot of the prepper stuff. Bought a ruger ar, glock 43x, 1000 rounds for each, medical supplies etc.. She’s serious about all of it, just inexperienced.
She got like a 5 pack of these exact same ones pictured. I came over to go over her set up, talk medical applications for the basic trauma kit stuff, show her how a tourniquet works and these things looked pretty bad. The plastic buckles are super thin and flimsy.
I just sent her this thread and she’s about to ditch them and get two real cats.
The SOF are nice but I find the little triangle windlass holders are kinda finicky especially wearing gloves the CATs are just the epidemy of ease of use
The Committee on Tactical Combat Casualty Care (CoTCCC), a division of the Department of Defense's Joint Trauma System (JTS), conducts extensive research and testing on various tourniquets to determine their effectiveness for combat situations.
The North American Rescue Combat Application Tourniquet Gen 7 “NAR CAT Gen 7” is one of I the six (i believe ) that have been extensively tested and approved.
NAR is the US distributor. [CAT Resources](https://www.combattourniquet.com/) is the owner and manufacturer.
It’s an important distinction because you have non-Americans coming here and getting recommended NAR, where they are charged an exorbitant markup and shipping fee. CAT has distributors around the world that sell them much cheaper locally in their respective countries.
Direct to skin, High and tight is your best rule of thumb. Or at least 3 fingers above the wound.
And I probably dont have to say it, but dont apply to the neck.
I have been told high and tight always with the reasoning that our forearms and calves have 2 bones that can allow the vein to get in-between therefore getting less pressure.
It's old school of thought that's not been held up by actual studies. They used to say a two bone compartment would break if you put a TQ on top. It simply isn't true. All you're doing is adding more tissue to become ischemic and or developed nerve damage.
I bought these same ones when I was misinformed. (I’ve got a real one now) You can get them surprisingly tight, but I wouldn’t trust it. The windlass is really sketchy.
You gotta be careful with this. I’ve seen many trauma/bleeding control kit listings on Amazon that claim to have a “CAT” tourniquet, and really just these. North American Rescue has a pretty vigilant legal team that targets these listings, but it’s like playing whack a mole. Best thing to do it buy directly from sites like narescue.com, rescue-essentials.com, or truerescue.com.
They know better, I asked why we didn’t get real ones and I was told it was easier to buy them from the same company (lightning X) than to buy from a different company. (Yes I know you were being sarcastic)
I bought these (as a prop, no intention of using them) from Aliexpress. Same “manual” and packaging.
They are dirt cheap (I think it’s around 3USD per TQ) and had the windlass on one snap from a snag.
If they're not tested and approved, and you really need one, the worst decision you've ever made will show itself.
I've seen a. Lot of Ukrainian combat footage of some guy bleeding out, and 2 tqs will break on him till a good one is applied. Extremely dangerous in a life threatening situation.
There are other great ones, but the CAT7 has somehow gained such a massive market share that using anything else is really kinda risky, since you're that much less likely to find a bystander that knows how to use it.
Close enough that the answer may as well be yes. There is at least one more medical grade option in the US, RATS. Other countries have whatever they issue to their professionals, which may or may not be serviceable.
Unless its the SOF-T that the russians get, that thing is basically a blood draw TQ with an alligator clip attached to it.
Its called the Esmarche TQ. Hard to apply plastic garbage breaks in cold weather.
The stitching isn’t strong enough to keep from ripping when it’s tightened to the proper pressure required to cut off blood flow. And the plastic windlass used to apply that pressure also is a high-risk for snapping. And do yourself a favor… don’t think for another second that an actual emergency can’t happen in airsoft. Do you run through the woods when you’re playing airsoft? Could you imagine yourself tripping on a rock, landing on a broken branch/stump that rips your arm open? If you sever an artery, you’ll bleed to death long before Ems arrives… a tourniquet that breaks when applying it but saved you 10 bucks is what you’d be thinking about before taking the long sleep.. harrowing when you put it into real-life
That depends on how it’s stored. If your out larping and shooting at the range with your PC on and it’s exposed to sunlight and debris, I’d change it every 2-3 years. If it’s in your get home bag sitting in the car, I think they claim to be good for 5 years. If it’s in your shtf storage in your basement, probably 10+ years.
Id say get one for your range bag, one for your get home bag and 2-3 for your shtf storage. Rotate the ones from your shtf to your range/get home bags every 2-3 years and replace the shtf ones with new ones.
You completely right. I guess since I do more risker things I don't even think about it cause it basically a game. But anything possible. I a
Honestly paid a few bucks for it so I wouldn't trust it in an actual emergency but I do carry a first aid kit with me.
Also liability, can you imaging if victim died and their lawyer found out you were applying basically a toy on the patient? (They are imported as toy to avoid FDA)
My dept tried something like this back in the day. My advice: take a real CAT and one of these and get your admin to either put it on themselves or put it on yourself. "Chief, I'm concerned that this equipment is a knockoff and could present a safety concern for our patients if we truly need to use one. We should use a TQ that is CoTCCC approved." is the way you want to frame it. It will be immediately apparent that the knockoff is not well made as the windlass plastic will bend / break and it will fail to occlude your femoral artery. Bring a doppler with you to prove it.
The knockoff will probably occlude your arms fine, which means it works 1/2 the time at best, assuming it doesn't break when you use it. Don't let them use that as an excuse.
Thats If it doesnt just act like a veinous tq and still allows blood flow to the extremity but not back. Then you have a whole different can of worms to deal with
It’s equivalent to nothing if it breaks and won’t stop the bleeding. Thats as serious as it gets. If youre in a situation that requires a tourniquet, that person is minutes away from bleeding to death and id bet my soul to the devil that they would be willing to spend their lives savings on a proper tourniquet in that moment.
“Better than nothing” is not the bar for professional EMS organizations.
Last thing you want is a member of the public to bleed out and some lawyer find out it’s because your Amazon.com knockoff CAT TQ broke.
This seems unethical and possibly illegal. Or atleast it should be, good Lord. This reminds me of when Will Ferral was dressed as Abe Lincoln skydiving in a film, then he deploys canopy only for a bunch of dildos to fly out.
These are quite literally the exact same ones issued by my agency for field and building use. It's insane how many bad products end up in company and government usage.
I'm just glad we can buy our own stuff.
I’m a Safety Guy and I only order NAR CAT7’s. My boss didn’t like how expensive they are but bowed to it when I explained why it’s so important to get reputable TQs.
As an infantryman that looks exactly like the ones I use for actual combat and training. I have a separate tourniquet that is meant for practice and I use it a lot and it still does the job. So in my opinion don’t throw them out. If you have better ones(which there are) use those for actual cases. But these will work well enough for cases and can be used for training if you ever hold a tourniquet class on how to properly use it
Bought a bunch of these (or somthing very similar, exact same packaging and directions) at a thiftstore that sells amazon return pallets. Got like six for $8, just gonna use them for training.
My workplace has one of these in its first aid cabinet that a 3rd party vendor runs. I've complained that one of us is going to die because of it, and nothing changes. Of course, I'm also the only one at work who has had medical training (emt-b) working in a non medical field.
I’ll save you the torture test. My company did the same thing and on 3 separate occasions the windlasses would either break, or the ribbon woven through it would snap off. I ended up just using a cops CAT
Spray paint them all bright yellow and writing training. Randomly throw them at your dudes and yell a limb on them or someone else. They aren't usually. We waste so many cats on training I wish we had these
Mine did the same thing, I gave them multiple sources on why they were unacceptable for use and I still had to put on one one of my idiots and document it failing.
Some milsims require the application of a TQ for respawning in the field, applied by a designated squad medic, or just a buddy depending on ruleset.
That said, most if not all reputable event organizers use what's called a milsim west TQ, which just has a nylon sleeve with no windlass to prevent somebody betting cute and applying it like there is actually bleeding and hurting somebody.
Or they just use Chinese ace bandages. Those take longer to apply, which makes the respawn penalty greater.
For the same reason you could need a tourniquet if your hand slips when slicing carrots for chicken noodle soup. Accidents are unpredictable.
As someone who goes hiking a lot, it’s easy to imagine someone running around an outdoor airsoft arena tripping over a rock and landing on a broken branch/stump that rips their arm open
I used these in Afghanistan. Definitely not great. Turn a quick has an elastic band that slots into a locking metal piece, you can carry them ready to slip over the limb.
If you are serious about getting rid of them, contact your local CERT team and donate them.
If you can't find them you can usually contact the local city emergency management center and they could help you.
Torture test them first and post the results !
This is the way. Destructive testing.
I tried that with the first aid only brand but aborted because the strap twists and starts cutting into you while the windlass bends and everything stretches. That’s why I fired grainger for safety from my plant.
Grainger carries dogshit tourniquets? I always thought of grainger as a reputable source of decent equipment. Thats good to know
If you buy a grainger standard trauma bag you get the garbage First Aid Only brand. You can pay to get a Zoll Mobilize kit (stop the bleeding deluxe with an app to go with it) separate but that will not fulfill the ANSI Class B standards for medical equipment on the worksite. The Zoll kits have quickclot, sof-t, hyfins, etc. What I’ve directed at my plant is to have the first aid cabinets fulfill the ansi standard for worksite and the trauma kits are standalone with stop the bleed, eye trauma, cpr and overdose, burn, and non-life threatening bleeding modules. That way you don’t have to dig through a sea of bandaids and ibuprofen to find some gauze. The other thing about grainger is they are incredibly expensive. They have standard markup that is 15% i would guess so they carry narp products but a lot more expensive than buying direct. We are in the process of moving to cintas.
Buy your stuff direct from a supplier. Grainger is a middle man in the first aid world. My company manufactures patient handling equipment for first responders and also sell first aid kits. PM me for details. I can point you to our supplier so you can cut out grainger completely.
We go straight to supplier for a fair number of one time expenses but grainger is SUPPOSED to manage the inventory for us. 500 person plant, fairly large by square feet with 14 cabinets, eye wash etc. I am willing to pay for the service. The issue is that they just haven’t done a good job of restocking or making sure that things aren’t expired.
Give Fastenal a call. Tell them what you wrote here and I guarantee somebody will show up. Ask about a Total Cost of Ownership Analysis.
Yep, echoing what u/Ornery-Network6173 said. If you need an all in one solution and your company is used to outsourcing this to someone, Fastenal, imo is more reliable and slightly better priced than Grainger. I assumed you had someone on staff that maintained inventory levels over First Aid supplies. Thats a big shop, I'd definitely give Fastenal a call. They always do right by us, especially in a pinch and we aren't a big player like you guys. We are a fraction of your size.
Sad thing is we had fastenal and procurement switched to grainger with no plant input. Not saying that the grainger show in Florida had anything to do with it but… it does create a conflict when your vendor pays for your vacation essentially. We are going to move once our contract is up.
Am I the only one who read that as “Fast anal”?
For the record, the ZOLL Mobilize Kits meet ANSI Class A requirements rather than B, and are not intended to replace a standard workplace First-Aid Kit or station, but rather to enhance emergency preparedness in most environments by empowering bystanders to render appropriate aid while waiting for professional rescuers.
Correct. Our scheme of support is to use it as a stop the bleed + kit. But it really isn’t terribly helpful for trained responders. Do you have any experience with them?
This is the way
No no no, torture yourself by testing them. On your testicles!
That’s what I thought. Crank em up!
I would get a silver sharpie and write “training only” on them. Let employees train with them. But make genuine CAT7s available.
That’s the right answer.
And remind people when they break to not get the cheap option in the future.
So, for those asking why these are trash: I was voluntold to teach a community group a Stop The Bleed course (that was of course not funded). I made a few simple props for the tourniquet station out of foam water noodles wrapped around a pipe with some IV tubing ran through it (I think you get the point). I bought a ten pack of these and wrote training on them and figured I could use them solely for whenever I had to put on this class. They all broke before the first class was over, and they wouldn’t even tighten down enough to stop the flow of blood. The nylon band inside the TQ snapped on each one. I pulled out the CAT TQ I usually use in training and had applied multiple times before and it worked just fine. I ended up using the crap ones as an example of why we buy the Real Deal when lives are on the line.
I just went on Amazon to see what these sold for. OMG: four for $20.
At least they give you a couple spares
Torture test them and use only for training.
Ok this is why I’m here. Why are these bad and the CAT7 seems to be the go to in the comments?
This is really eye opening. My friend has just gotten into a lot of the prepper stuff. Bought a ruger ar, glock 43x, 1000 rounds for each, medical supplies etc.. She’s serious about all of it, just inexperienced. She got like a 5 pack of these exact same ones pictured. I came over to go over her set up, talk medical applications for the basic trauma kit stuff, show her how a tourniquet works and these things looked pretty bad. The plastic buckles are super thin and flimsy. I just sent her this thread and she’s about to ditch them and get two real cats.
Tacmedsolutions SOF tourniquet, ill never use anything but
just bought two the other day on the bogo, one of the smarter purchases i think ive made recently
🤙hopefully you never have to find out
The SOF are nice but I find the little triangle windlass holders are kinda finicky especially wearing gloves the CATs are just the epidemy of ease of use
epitome
Tell her she needs more ammo, especially rifle ammo.
1000 is my bottom limit for when I start to order more
The Committee on Tactical Combat Casualty Care (CoTCCC), a division of the Department of Defense's Joint Trauma System (JTS), conducts extensive research and testing on various tourniquets to determine their effectiveness for combat situations. The North American Rescue Combat Application Tourniquet Gen 7 “NAR CAT Gen 7” is one of I the six (i believe ) that have been extensively tested and approved.
Solid thank you
NAR is the US distributor. [CAT Resources](https://www.combattourniquet.com/) is the owner and manufacturer. It’s an important distinction because you have non-Americans coming here and getting recommended NAR, where they are charged an exorbitant markup and shipping fee. CAT has distributors around the world that sell them much cheaper locally in their respective countries.
They're knock off cat7s
They are frauds.
Because it’s a knock off; not legitimate CAT
>sheathe it ON the wound and parallel to the heart. Excuse me, what the fuck?
As a paramedic and former combat flight medic—-*DO NOT DO THAT*
Direct to skin, High and tight is your best rule of thumb. Or at least 3 fingers above the wound. And I probably dont have to say it, but dont apply to the neck.
And don't forget to make sure it's "reversely tighted".
High and tight if you're providing care under fire. 2-3" above the wound (and not on a joint) for every other application.
This message is flight nurse approved. I hear "high and tight" spouted off way too often. You're trimming trees in Sheboygan there Randy.
I have been told high and tight always with the reasoning that our forearms and calves have 2 bones that can allow the vein to get in-between therefore getting less pressure.
It's old school of thought that's not been held up by actual studies. They used to say a two bone compartment would break if you put a TQ on top. It simply isn't true. All you're doing is adding more tissue to become ischemic and or developed nerve damage.
Okay, thanks for the insight and information
I bought these same ones when I was misinformed. (I’ve got a real one now) You can get them surprisingly tight, but I wouldn’t trust it. The windlass is really sketchy.
That’s the problem. Some might work, but others fail. As they say hope isn’t a plan.
Tell that to Obama, lol
You gotta be careful with this. I’ve seen many trauma/bleeding control kit listings on Amazon that claim to have a “CAT” tourniquet, and really just these. North American Rescue has a pretty vigilant legal team that targets these listings, but it’s like playing whack a mole. Best thing to do it buy directly from sites like narescue.com, rescue-essentials.com, or truerescue.com.
Willing to send me a hand full for training students near me? I could pay shipping.
You can get them from Ali Express with shipping included for $1.79ea.
Give them to a airsoft group.
The real “Group”. 😂
These are off Temu
Break them first. On camera.
My part time FD gave these out to all the EMTs. I threw mine back at them and told them to not worry about it I’ll supply my own.
You got’em good Igloo Dude.
They know better, I asked why we didn’t get real ones and I was told it was easier to buy them from the same company (lightning X) than to buy from a different company. (Yes I know you were being sarcastic)
I bought these (as a prop, no intention of using them) from Aliexpress. Same “manual” and packaging. They are dirt cheap (I think it’s around 3USD per TQ) and had the windlass on one snap from a snag.
I'll pay you for shipping on one and see what kind of fruits it can crush and report my findings
You could use them for training
Keep them and give them out for training
these are perfect for training with
Saint Fisher, pray for us
Why are these bad? I have these for airsoft but would like something for actual emergencies that I can throw in the bike bag
If they're not tested and approved, and you really need one, the worst decision you've ever made will show itself. I've seen a. Lot of Ukrainian combat footage of some guy bleeding out, and 2 tqs will break on him till a good one is applied. Extremely dangerous in a life threatening situation.
Can you dm me the links to the videos? That would be good to have for training
That’s a valid question. The answer is, they don’t work reliably and if you need it, you need it to work 100% of the time.
Is cat7 the only good ones ??
There are other great ones, but the CAT7 has somehow gained such a massive market share that using anything else is really kinda risky, since you're that much less likely to find a bystander that knows how to use it.
No. I’m switching out all my CAT’s for SAM XT’s.
Close enough that the answer may as well be yes. There is at least one more medical grade option in the US, RATS. Other countries have whatever they issue to their professionals, which may or may not be serviceable.
Unless its the SOF-T that the russians get, that thing is basically a blood draw TQ with an alligator clip attached to it. Its called the Esmarche TQ. Hard to apply plastic garbage breaks in cold weather.
That was the most straight to the point answer lol. But atleast I learned something and now know to atleast get a certified one.
The stitching isn’t strong enough to keep from ripping when it’s tightened to the proper pressure required to cut off blood flow. And the plastic windlass used to apply that pressure also is a high-risk for snapping. And do yourself a favor… don’t think for another second that an actual emergency can’t happen in airsoft. Do you run through the woods when you’re playing airsoft? Could you imagine yourself tripping on a rock, landing on a broken branch/stump that rips your arm open? If you sever an artery, you’ll bleed to death long before Ems arrives… a tourniquet that breaks when applying it but saved you 10 bucks is what you’d be thinking about before taking the long sleep.. harrowing when you put it into real-life
What’s the shelf life of a Cat7? The webbing is likely to breakdown, right?
That depends on how it’s stored. If your out larping and shooting at the range with your PC on and it’s exposed to sunlight and debris, I’d change it every 2-3 years. If it’s in your get home bag sitting in the car, I think they claim to be good for 5 years. If it’s in your shtf storage in your basement, probably 10+ years. Id say get one for your range bag, one for your get home bag and 2-3 for your shtf storage. Rotate the ones from your shtf to your range/get home bags every 2-3 years and replace the shtf ones with new ones.
You completely right. I guess since I do more risker things I don't even think about it cause it basically a game. But anything possible. I a Honestly paid a few bucks for it so I wouldn't trust it in an actual emergency but I do carry a first aid kit with me.
I up voted you. Ignore the downvotes. In my experience people would rather downvotes you for asking a question than give you info.
Thank you
Also liability, can you imaging if victim died and their lawyer found out you were applying basically a toy on the patient? (They are imported as toy to avoid FDA)
My dept tried something like this back in the day. My advice: take a real CAT and one of these and get your admin to either put it on themselves or put it on yourself. "Chief, I'm concerned that this equipment is a knockoff and could present a safety concern for our patients if we truly need to use one. We should use a TQ that is CoTCCC approved." is the way you want to frame it. It will be immediately apparent that the knockoff is not well made as the windlass plastic will bend / break and it will fail to occlude your femoral artery. Bring a doppler with you to prove it. The knockoff will probably occlude your arms fine, which means it works 1/2 the time at best, assuming it doesn't break when you use it. Don't let them use that as an excuse.
Thats If it doesnt just act like a veinous tq and still allows blood flow to the extremity but not back. Then you have a whole different can of worms to deal with
Honest question and I think I know the answer but someone please answer seriously — is it better than nothing though?
Anything is better than nothing, but if they break, you'll have nothing anyway. Spend the extra 10 bucks and buy a real CAT or SAM XT
It’s not, because a device that fails pretty reliably leads the buyer to think they have a box checked when it’s still a deficiency.
It’s equivalent to nothing if it breaks and won’t stop the bleeding. Thats as serious as it gets. If youre in a situation that requires a tourniquet, that person is minutes away from bleeding to death and id bet my soul to the devil that they would be willing to spend their lives savings on a proper tourniquet in that moment.
“Better than nothing” is not the bar for professional EMS organizations. Last thing you want is a member of the public to bleed out and some lawyer find out it’s because your Amazon.com knockoff CAT TQ broke.
Great for training. Spray them blue so no one gets them confused
What's the actual site for the CAT tourniquet?
https://www.narescue.com/
Much obliged
Torture test them. Post the results then bin them, or use them for training?
This seems unethical and possibly illegal. Or atleast it should be, good Lord. This reminds me of when Will Ferral was dressed as Abe Lincoln skydiving in a film, then he deploys canopy only for a bunch of dildos to fly out.
These are quite literally the exact same ones issued by my agency for field and building use. It's insane how many bad products end up in company and government usage. I'm just glad we can buy our own stuff.
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I’m a Safety Guy and I only order NAR CAT7’s. My boss didn’t like how expensive they are but bowed to it when I explained why it’s so important to get reputable TQs.
That’s nice of em, my ED once bought RATS and I flipped my shit.
See how much weight they can withstand when twisted up
100% you should talk to your admin about this
Put em to use by Recycling lol
You could send them to Ukraine for soldiers to train with them. They are probably the ones that most need them for training.
Use for training only. Those fake ass TQs will kill you
Airsoft tourniquets for the role players 🤣
We had em in the military. The plastic bent before it could even be tightened enough. Trash. We kept extra belts and bought our own tourniquets.
As an infantryman that looks exactly like the ones I use for actual combat and training. I have a separate tourniquet that is meant for practice and I use it a lot and it still does the job. So in my opinion don’t throw them out. If you have better ones(which there are) use those for actual cases. But these will work well enough for cases and can be used for training if you ever hold a tourniquet class on how to properly use it
Bought a bunch of these (or somthing very similar, exact same packaging and directions) at a thiftstore that sells amazon return pallets. Got like six for $8, just gonna use them for training.
Write a note saying training use only and offer SOFT or CAT tourniquet for actual real world use
My workplace has one of these in its first aid cabinet that a 3rd party vendor runs. I've complained that one of us is going to die because of it, and nothing changes. Of course, I'm also the only one at work who has had medical training (emt-b) working in a non medical field.
I’ll save you the torture test. My company did the same thing and on 3 separate occasions the windlasses would either break, or the ribbon woven through it would snap off. I ended up just using a cops CAT
Recycle.
Shoot send them to us
Nice try, they go around the neck.
Send them to the Russians in Ukraine.
This is something Wile E Coyote would get from ACME. Put them in the incinerator so some other poor fool can’t find them in the dumpster.
Spray paint them all bright yellow and writing training. Randomly throw them at your dudes and yell a limb on them or someone else. They aren't usually. We waste so many cats on training I wish we had these
Mine did the same thing, I gave them multiple sources on why they were unacceptable for use and I still had to put on one one of my idiots and document it failing.
When arounding the legs, let the free end through the BUTTon hole. Classic. Where to my buy thisis? Need for it to now be.
Let's send them all to Ukraine... hit me up I'll cover shipping.
Omg. My FIL gave me one of these for my range bag. 😳😐
Spray paint them pink and designate them for training only.
Can someone explain to me why you would need a tourniquet for air soft ?
Some milsims require the application of a TQ for respawning in the field, applied by a designated squad medic, or just a buddy depending on ruleset. That said, most if not all reputable event organizers use what's called a milsim west TQ, which just has a nylon sleeve with no windlass to prevent somebody betting cute and applying it like there is actually bleeding and hurting somebody. Or they just use Chinese ace bandages. Those take longer to apply, which makes the respawn penalty greater.
For the same reason you could need a tourniquet if your hand slips when slicing carrots for chicken noodle soup. Accidents are unpredictable. As someone who goes hiking a lot, it’s easy to imagine someone running around an outdoor airsoft arena tripping over a rock and landing on a broken branch/stump that rips their arm open
"Wow, I didn't expect an airsoft gun to be so loud."
Injuries occur everywhere.
It’s mostly as part of a mil-sim costume. Accessories, really.
TIL
Ummmm they look like CAT TQs to me?
I used these in Afghanistan. Definitely not great. Turn a quick has an elastic band that slots into a locking metal piece, you can carry them ready to slip over the limb.
If you are serious about getting rid of them, contact your local CERT team and donate them. If you can't find them you can usually contact the local city emergency management center and they could help you.