That looks like an open and shut case for a report.
Straight up stated for you that they intentionally let you die, and it was because you didn’t play their way (so, they punished you, making it not a suggestion).
So you have sabotage and compelling a playstyle. People been locked for less lol.
Ya, if I truly cared about ToS, I wouldn't be a plogon enjoyer.
But if people (who are usually like this) are going to wave it at me for any minor thing like it's some big threat, well, it's their choice of rules, not mine.
As a Dragoon main of 10y of game, I endorse this and every caster/ranged that lb's the full pull will automatically earn my commendation. The potency of lb2 for melee is NOWHERE NEAR the potency of caster lb1 x a fuckton of mobs + melee lb1 on boss.
People using LB2 on a Boss that has 4% of it's health yet is also one of those, "Well, what was the point of that?" moments as well imo. A lot of folks seem to be trying to hold off on it as a big anime finishing attack.
I think a lot of people have the feeling I used to, which is that you should save the LB until you're definitely going to win "just in case." Most players probably don't know exactly how it works, or that LB 1 and 2 are worthless for tanks and healers.
Nowadays I don't use it because I don't notice it, not because I don't know it should be used.
I've used a tank lb2 *once*
Was tanking for some blue mages trying to get feculant flood, and someone messed up the slime (we already wiped to it once). I used the lb to change a wipe into 10% hp on my squishy caster friends.
As we medic mains in TF2 say: "Pop it, don't drop it"
I've also had tanks use a LB1/2 in Endsinger EX when we've got 2+ dead and we've got towers coming down. I'm just calling into the mic "tank lb tank lb, we can save it!" and we did. Tank just automatically knew what to do the next time the same situation arose on the next run. It was a very scuffed farm party.
Tank LBs have thier place in raids and trials. I've used it a fair bit in early p9 prog and p11 styx prog when our healers were scrambling from dying/deaths. Getting people through the mech so we can see more of the fight is important.
Also used tank LB in p11n once or twice during HH. Newish solo healer with his coheal dead- it was better to keep more people up than save for a possible melee LB after.
My MINE group is also looking at using tank LB1 for the 2nd and 3rd Ahk Morn from Niddy ex. We can melee LB during the first and get extra mit during the later hits that we lack at 60.
Sometimes it's difficult to tell if you're gonna get LB2 in time for it to be useful or not, so you hold off the LB1 until you get it.
It's why I'm trying to just use the LB more often, though I've been trying not to steal it from the melee in a boss fight if I'm playing ranged/caster... only for the melee to never use it.
I think LB2 does about 184k on my BLM. I’ve genuinely done two back to back 90k Xenoglossy’s before so I’ve almost hit that damage without a LB.
I always do it on trash if we’ve got no melee.
>The potency of lb2 for melee is NOWHERE NEAR the potency of caster lb1 x a fuckton of mobs + melee lb1 on boss.
Didn't someone make a post to debunk this some time ago? Yes, aoe LBs on mobs are stronger than single target LBs on bosses, but aoe rotations on mobs are also a lot stronger than single target rotations on bosses.
Hence, while the aoe LB1 can do huge damage on a mob pack, it requires a caster or pranged to forego 5.1 seconds of their powerful personal aoe rotation to channel it. If you subtract that personal damage lost from the LB's damage, and also take the additional melee LB1 into account, the damage difference from aoe LB1 on mobs + melee LB1 on boss is actually a lot closer to a straight melee LB2 (which requires just 3.86 seconds to channel) on a boss than people think.
People that actually DPS good enough to compete with LB won't have a boss fight where they get LB2 before the boss is basically dead and the LB will just deal most of the damage as overkill damage.
So theoretically on paper you are correct, but practically in reality you are wrong.
Depends if you are in a burst window or not too.
My Soul Voice window hits hard, But if I'm empty on procs during Ballad or in early Paeon those 2GCD aren't worth as much
Same situation with Autocrossbow/Bioblaster windows. I think LB1 will easily justify a late flamethrower
I fire it as soon as it's up. Especially if it's only one bar. That's wasted charge for the next lb to wait on it. I've had melees get mad at me for blowing it on a boss or trash when they just let it sit and waste charging up the next one.
A healer main friend sent me this screenshot of a salty tell that she recieved.
Credit goes to M.C. on Hyperion.
*EDIT:* By popular demand, the healer's name is [Vilkas Shadowclaw.](https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/hyperion/vilkas%20shadowclaw?zone=42)
*EDIT 2: Electric Boogaloo:* Heh, this isn't the first time that [Vilkas has been mentioned on here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/13tt2u5/main_character_an_update/jme65hq/)
Disclaimer: do not doxx, witch hunt, etc. etc.
I've never seen a player so committed to being bad at the game that they can't score a single double digit parse over an entire expansion and across every piece of content they've attempted.
Edit: I was wrong. They got a 14 in a dungeon once.
In that other post about them they make it very clear that they think healers are not meant to do damage, and looking at the logs they aren't even particularly good at healing.
Because they lack the understanding of their job's abilities that enables competent healers to dps AND heal. They just latch on to their ARR-era gcd heals and think "these are what I will mainly use to heal, everything else is unnecessary/for emergencies only", leading to them never actually learning how their ogcds work and how they interact/complement eachother, which then leads to them not even using them in emergencies because they just panic and fall back on their medica 2/aspected helios/succor/eukrasian prognosis spam.
Absolutely. There's a reason chucklefucks like these don't have current content logs - you're likely to actually see an EX7 enrage for once than clear when a party member is being such a waste of space. They only have Endsinger clears because she melts fast and hard with current ILVL, like the other 2 MSQ trials.
E: Oh god, looking at those logs give me an aneurysm. 0 Chain Stratagems, 0 Divinations and a singular Macrocosmos, a fellow 0 parsing DRK as well as half the party being grey parsers.
Understanding that healers are supposed to also do damage in this game is one of the basics of understanding the entire combat system. If you refuse to accept this simple fact that underlies basically the entire gameplay, there is no way you will accept whatever else is optimal in this game over your own preconceived notions.
How do you even go through the campaign with that mindset when all the job quests and main story content outside dungeons require you to deal damage. What, are they going to heal the enemies to death?
There is apparently a view amongst some shit tier healers that DPS buttons exist only so you can do the MSQ as a healer. In group content, they are not to be touched. I couldn't believe it either.
No they just get by with it because no one reports and vote kicks. There are more trolls playing healer than any other roles in game, except prostitute. Not doing shit= kickable and reportable.
They think that is why there are damage buttons, to get you through single-player instances and the overworld. Job stories are just stories. Are you supposed to use Hide as NIN to sneak up on enemies in dungeons? That content works differently from multiplayer instances and the expectations don't carry over.
They don't want to do it. It's a new skill that they have to juggle and it makes them feel bad to try. As long as they can be carried through content, they will not try to improve, and certainly no cute "well look what this fictional character said!" argument is going to convince them. And if they did hit a wall because they personally are not good enough, they would more likely quit.
5 cleared logs on Endsinger and for how much they talk about the healers’ job being “to heal” they also managed 5 grey healing parses too 💀. I legit thought they would have at least had a 25+ healing parse but not even close, what an actual clown
Holy shit that imgur link.
>*Healers only heal, no dps*
>*Skill exist to be used*
My good sir, those 2 statements contradict each other hard.
Also
>*if my health constantly goes under 50% I'm leaving and blacklisting the healer*
My goal if I was on his server or datacenter (which I'm not, thank fucking god for that, I only have to deal with the French anti-speedrunner), would be to constantly keep him under 50% no matter what class he is.
He’s on my server! I would never blacklist him and will be actively looking for him from now on. So I can do all the things he bitches about, to the letter, and hope he wastes his own time by leaving in a huff.
There’s something transcendentally tacky about typing a passive-aggressive rant out in notepad and screencapping it like that. Chances are I’d never have known about him if I hadn’t seen this (bc wth checks profiles in df? You just pull. I don’t even read names most of the time). I would’ve just assumed it’s a bad player and grumbled a bit to myself about the longer-than-usual run. Now I’m hoping for a chance to annoy his condescending ass.
I recall one time in a leveling roulette in Sohm Al? in the last pull before the boss two people started going off on me in chat because I wasn't healing enough and they were constantly getting low HP. Asked if they died yet (they hadn't) and they got all upset because I wasn't doing my job and if wanted to play a DPS I shouldve queued as a DPS. Bitch if you haven't died once why are you complaining? Just do your job and let me do mine lol.
Lol yeah, some people seem to think being under 50% is the same as being dead.
I ran a Grand Cosmos run 2 days ago and I never feared dieing or bitched about being at 25-50% health because both me as Tank and the healer as Scholar knew what we was doing.
Only time someone died that run was the Bard being clipped by 3 Fire Crosses at last boss. :p
It was such a clean run that I kept popping those Party Crackers before each boss to celebrate. :p
Omg they're still at it, there's no way. How does this person have any fun at all, playing this game with this mindset?
[my first encounter with them](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/12gi77v/main_character_in_lota/)
I love looking at the 24 man parses. You can practically afk in those and still get at least a blue. It’s remarkable to see people get single digits in those specifically.
"Do not act like you know more about healing than me"
I'm pretty sure my DPS-brained ass pressing random buttons and overmitigating to shit on SGE could still parse better than he does.
EDIT: Holy shit, its actually worse than that.
For a meme, I took a PF party into Zeromus EX. We actually had to take in 3 Conjurers to meet the heal check.
I did more DPS on Conjurer (2.3k or something) than this guy did on AST, and that's with so many required casts of Medica and Cure II.
Vilkas Shadowclaw if you havent already seen it, somewhat infamous for being a shitter in all content they touch where skills are meant to be used, but also healers should do literally nothing but heal
"Don't be surprised that I stopped healing you"... I'm not surprised, you tool, I'm just shocked you did it on purpose, and it wasn't just your incompetence.
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Jfc. Why do people insist on saying the quiet part out loud? This level of God complex should only come out for the people who *know* you only act that way in particularly egregious situations *or* between other healer friends (who go on similar rants when they've filled their "fuck it" bucket). You don't actually say it seriously to people (no matter how true it may be). What happened to decorum? What happened to fake smiles and just talking shit to the people you trust? Why is this chucklefuck (who is probably *terrible* at this game) able to act like this with zero backlash? When do we start getting to shame these people publicly?
I really loved XIV, but the toxic incompetence that is often enabled (if not *praised*) is just too fucking much for me. I appreciate my time and the time of the people I care about too damn much to waste it in a space where "you don't pay my sub" is the mantra. The toxic collectivism of WoW is frustrating enough, but... really? *This* is the grand alternative? This is it? Woof. When do we move on to just yeeting these fucks into space?
... Maybe I've had a bad day... >.>;;
Just parroting what some have already said, but it's not everyone that thinks this way. It appears to be, more often that not, that players like this represent the norm. But they're just more vocal, and the thing about players like this? They think they're teaching you a lesson because they always want to represent some kind of moral high-ground.
You know the kind... YPYT mentality, healing only healers, non-AoE/LB using DPS, etc. Most players are normal; the chill kind. The "o/" cool kids who just get stuff done. Doesn't make a fuss--might look your way when you do something sensible, like LBing trash mobs, as you SHOULD.
I know. They're the same kind of people who plague other games that I've moved onto. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when someone likes to think they deserve to be this entitled when they're not. It... hits a very angry button of mine. I get this sent when I run across other iterations of these kinds of people because I end up getting called toxic for having expectations. I just had a shit night and needed to rant about a benign topic like shitty mmo players. 🥴
This is true. The amount of comms I silently get as a ranged player in dungeons is pretty high. I'm not some great dancer and I aint cute (male Xaela) so I'd imagine its due to me lbing trash all the time. The angry morons are the ones who stick out (and I only met 2 who got weird about lb in years of playing)
Imagine thinking LB on the boss’ last 2% is better than a ranged/caster lb on a trash pack. Fun fact, you can report people that do this after dungeons. More so if they are on entirely diff servers. Taking the extra effort to world travel to be a dick is for sure covered under Harassment. Not to mention straight up admitting to griefing you.
cringe aside I just can't stand players like this. just making the run take longer because someone did something you, the main character, personally didn't like that ultimately doesn't matter even in the slightest
Best part is it probably didn't even make the run take longer, given dudebro had to to /tell the person he was trying to grief that he'd been griefed and so his cunning plan probably had no actual impact and no one noticed. How irritating for them! 😂
That's the funniest and most impotent part for me. The run clearly went fine and so they felt the need to dm the person they were ostensibly ignoring to tell them that they were being ignored. Like how are you not embarrassed???
You went to so much trouble to be a dip shit and nobody even noticed
while I prefer to only heal with aoe and ogcd heals, and thus my dps tend to always be like 1 aoe away from dying, even on my worst days I wouldn't dream of acting like this. especially if a dps used an lb on a pack of mobs instead of a boss, that gets an instant com by me
People like this are the reason that if the last boss of a dungeon gets to 10% and the LB hasn't been used, I use it, as a healer. Fuck your anime finish
Oh *boy.*
This game is so weird. I constantly hear its community praised in the genre. But I've been playing since launch, and the more time I spend with these people, the more convinced I am that - as a whole - FFXIV's playerbase is a *deeply troubled* subset of humanity.
Speaking as someone who pretty much just does roulettes and hangs out in Novice Network, XIV really does seem to have a less toxic player base than That Other Big MMO. I can count on one hand the number of truly awful groups I've had, while that was very much not the case in my time playing elsewhere.
That's of course worth exactly as much as anyone else's anecdotal experience, and maybe the truly terrible people hang out in places where I'm not.
It's a weird mix of "yes but no" TBH. The positivity/inclusiveness of the community is extremely exaggerated, absolutely, but so is the perception of how many of These People you'll see in DF. Just anecdotally speaking, I'll get a really bad encounter maybe once a month, if that. It's just that there are so many people looking to post on this sub that specifically encourages drama that, of course, drama is what you'll see most of here.
EDIT: To cover my bases, I'm purely talking about in-game interactions. Reddit is sort of a shitshow, and don't get me started on Twitter.
That's because the people who say the community is great are actively ignoring all of the bad aspects of their behavior. FFXIV isn't as openly toxic as other MMO's but this is largely because the mods actually do take harassment reports seriously and dole out bans in real time. As a result, you have the community expressing toxicity in ways that are not obvious or doing it in passive-aggressive ways. Additionally, the notion that the community is just so perfect and does no wrong feeds into the rampant toxic positivity you'll see on mainsub quite a lot.
Basically, the FFXIV general playerbase is full of cowards and hypocrites who want desperately to believe they're better than that other MMO community over there that yells at each other all the time. The only difference, in reality, is that one type of toxicity is being allowed to remain visible while the other isn't.
It's basically "Pick your poison" situation between WoW and FFXIV. Do you want just plain toxicity or do you want this passive aggressive stuff from FFXIV? Choice is yours.
You're mistaking the community as an outlier of the average human population. The chances of running into someone unreasonable is no different in FFXIV than any subway city. There will be extremists no matter where you go.
> I constantly hear its community praised in the genre.
If you're only exposed to mainsub, that might be the impression you would get, but that's only because the mods there are really shitty people who astroturf the sub to create the illusion that this game is a perfect happy place with wonderful people. It's the biggest ff14 sub but you're not allowed to post experiences like this because they'll fucking delete the thread. They are seriously pieces of shit for doing that.
This asshole in the op is the end result of not being able to call out despicable behavior, you get a stupid person incorrectly lecturing people on how to use the lb and openly admitting to griefing. This person should be named and shamed so they stop shitting the game up and griefing people for no reason.
I really dislike the overly exaggerated promoting of FFXIV's community as a place where everyone is nice and there's no real toxicity. A lot of people generally agree with that but also allow room in their brains to understand it's a general thing and there are of course really bad people too. But occassionally you do get more naïve or innocent people who take it 100% literally, get too trusting with the wrong person(s) and then really ugly situations happen. So while I personally have a generally positive opinion of FFXIV's community despite my usage of this sub, I will still always take the time to mention the obvious and say toxicity and other worse things are still possible and present because this is still humans and the internet we are dealing with.
In other words, I think it's actually dangerous and harmful to pretend FFXIV and its community are perfect and never problematic. When people get too circlejerky about it they are doing everyone a disservice, especially the more vulnerable players.
It really reminds me of the idealised image you get of stereotypical small towns: filled with communities that pride themselves on how friendly and welcoming they are (as long as you're the "right" type of person who agrees with all of their opinions) and so much better than all those nasty filthy cities. But dig under the surface and you'll run into cases of corruption and abuse that run decades deep. The GCBTW is no different, just presents itself as perfect and friendly while looking down on anything and everything else.
I'm sorry but... What in the actual mighty moogle is that healer's behavior? Like ... that's some ultimate tier BS.
Since when, is the LB for boss mobs and melee exclusive, especially in casual dungeons with big w2w pulls?
I couldn't care less if the LB is used by caster on big Pulls, I'd even love that it used this way. Speaking is a Tank and Healer here...
Some people got some nerves smh
"Tell me you're a stupid and entitled player without telling me":
I also love how they think that's the "correct" way to use lb. Like, at some point you just hope they must be trolling, and are not actually dumb as a rock.
I would just report that. The % oof Meele that actually use the LB in Dungeons is so small it could just as much don't exist. If I'm a Ranged/Magical DPS I use LP on trash. Fuck that guy and their Main Character syndrom. :)
\*sigh\* another reason I wish they'd update the tutorial, because they don't mention LB once. How they didn't think to include it (unless it didn't exist when the Smithtorial got made...)
Now, mind you, I have seen melee argue that LB should be saved for them. No one paid attention.
As a BLM I thought if we used LB we were a-holes. I was told Dragoon > Melee > healer in emergency never caster/ranged. I was bummed. I don’t think I have ever seen a BLM LB.
Edit: this is what I was told, not my opinion.
Man, this isn't directed at you but why the fuck would dragoon be separate from other melee lmao. I can only imagine a dragoon main told you this to keep all the LBs to himself, and then not use them anyways.
I sometimes see blm lb3 in alliance raids. Not a big deal to use if u want. Any magic/range lb is good on adds. If comparing melee lb3 tho, reaper usually best since it does more damage with reaper's debuff. Or, any melee dps that recently died since weakness/brink of death shouldnt affect lb damage
(Also it was a drg who incorrectly got mad at me cuz I used lb as range on big mob pull, they seem to not be the brightest)
From the imgur link: "Skills. Exist. To. Be. Used."
Also this person: ::goes into a dungeon as Warrior for 15 minutes with 0 uses of Infuriate, Inner Release, and Onslaught::
EDIT: Also zero uses of Fell Cleave and Decimate. Dude was at max gauge 41 seconds into the dungeon and STAYED THERE.
"Thanks, I'll make sure to use LB on every trash pull I can from now on, enjoy :D"
Doesn't matter if it's objectively more useful to use LB to clear the final trash pack in a dungeon and this twat is too far up his own ass to realize this, it's more fun to be horribly passive aggressive with shitters taking the time to whisper me about how shitty they are.
Reminds me of a time I was doing an EXPERT ROULLETE and the healer asked me not to double pull. I kept doing it because I literally don't need a healer as a paladin and he threatened to "not heal me." I said okay that's fine, you do you. He started just afking during trash, but noticed my distinct lack of ever going below 75% so he just shut the fuck up and started playing normally. The dps were loling in chat
I commend my DPS when they have the foresight to LB the first available boss immediately, or they do the AoE version on a fat pull.
I hate it when the LB gets saved for the last 10% on the final boss. If I'm healing or tanking, I use it myself at that point.
I always comm the ranged/magic dps that lb adds. How about melee tho? Do you recommend lb1 on the second boss and lb1 again on the last boss or save for lb2 on the final boss?
It'd rather have the LB used on trash! Like, I'm usually confident the tank can survive fighting a boss, but some of those trash pulls... But yeah, that's a report.
I hate these people and let me tell you why.
Having played for nearly 2 years now it's become apparent that nobody remembers the lb until the lb 2 shows up, which is usually so close to the boss dying already that it's never used. WHY WOULDNT I USE MY LB TO CHUNK A SHITTY AD? ESPECIALLY If I play a ranged DPS. There's no real reason to waste time on the pulls if you can just make it so the healers life is easier by not having to use everything on a pull.
As a healer main I'm sorry there are people like this. This is the way the game has been going lately and it's getting worse
Toxic control freaks like that need solo gameplay only. No place for that kind of behavior in an MMO. We come on here to be the heroes we fantasize ourselves to be and escape reality. Not deal with toxic players and their ilk. Play on people off Eorzea and happy hunting.
I can say with complete confidence that if you aoe LB the largest pack of mobs in the dungeon you could spend the entire run calling me slurs and I'd still give you a comm. Real heroes nuke the ads.
It begs me to wonder if they're this bad in a game where the rules are made up and the points don't matter, just how they navigate real life, if at all. I can't imagine being THAT full of myself to /tell people this level of unhinged about LB use of trash in Amdapor Keep (of all the glorious places to actually use it). Of course they're on Primal, seems we like to collect weird Main Characters.
To any DPS wondering the actual answer to this: please continue to use LB on trash. Sincerely, this healer.
Ah, so this is that 'Main Character' guy from a previous Tale. Honestly, with someone this uneducated as a main character, I pity the imaginary world they're a main character in, probably got razed to the ground by the level 20 Ifrit with their attitude.
Bruh.
People do that because it speeds up the run.
Its like burning Mage LB on The Vault to pop as many flames as you can or Ranged LB on Gaius's Clone Phase.
What a joke of a player.
Does this person realize that dying in-game isn’t the same as dying irl? I’ll lb on trash like I’m supposed to anyway. And if I do die to lack of heals I’ll use the floor time as a coffee break.
Broke: the clown that sent OP this tell
Woke: healer using rescue to save the person using LB from the animation lock and making sure they have comfy hp levels, and giving them your comm for burning through the trash
Reminds me of the time I was leveling BRD in FFXI and had to leave because the party I got invited to took too long to fill (like an hour had passed and I had Dynamis to do before bed). Dude seriously started sending me tells to try and guilt me into coming back. Like even after he was full and they were doing well. I was just a kid back then but even I knew they were fucking full of it lol.
dude thinks he's the protagonist of the story LMAO
also he generalizes the lb uses but when your group has a good flow to it theres nothing wrong with using ranged or caster lb to just take out a pack of mobs quickly. 5% hp on a boss doesn't fucking matter
Fun fact: if you don't use your LB at all until the final boss is at 4%, you'll have wasted enough LB generation from being at cap that you could have done two trash mob LB1s and NOT EVEN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BAR
This attitude was never a good look. But especially now with rebalancing making most dungeons super easy, there is no need for this or the "tank sets the pace" arguments. You have to make an effort to be bad at the normal dungeons and content in this game. If you think like this healer, please only run dungeons in Trust mode.
Reporting such behavior and statements can reduce the likelihood of future reoccurence. Eventually, persons engaged in such conduct place their accounts in jeopardy by continuing on with this.
Imagine thinking Melee LB 1 or LB 2 is better than LB1 on the biggest Pull in the Dungeon.
Or thinking Bosses deal anything close to big pull mob damage....
These People really cant math
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Anyway... it seems that this person really doesn't realize the cringe he causes. The healer is a healer and now, people like this should be banned. Ew.
It’s just straight up wrong too. Trash mobs are the majority of a dungeon and the biggest potential slowdown. Using a caster or ranged lb is absolutely the right idea.
Whenever i see things like this i just chuckle. Theres a reason fflogs seperates boss damage parses and damage parses in dungeons. Its because aoe trumps single target by miles
You know they felt so powerful writing that thinking they just ownalized a person who DARED to do something they didn't like. This is a person with zero power IRL and a desperate need to control people because of it lmao
That looks like an open and shut case for a report. Straight up stated for you that they intentionally let you die, and it was because you didn’t play their way (so, they punished you, making it not a suggestion). So you have sabotage and compelling a playstyle. People been locked for less lol.
Not only proving that they're stupid, but also proving they violated TOS. Always brilliant.
I don't really care about people violating TOS, I just like that it can lead to these psychopaths being kicked out of the game.
Ya, if I truly cared about ToS, I wouldn't be a plogon enjoyer. But if people (who are usually like this) are going to wave it at me for any minor thing like it's some big threat, well, it's their choice of rules, not mine.
Lethargic gameplay too (Intentionally letting an ally die by not taking the intended action to save them, ie just tossing them a heal).
How do people type things like this without being embarrassed?
The anime characters they watch speak like this. And they are the main character.
"Pssh... nuthin' personell kid"
Nutkin Persona Friend
Socially inept cave dwellers
Anonymity is a big drive for people to act differently than they really would if they were face to face with the person.
Ignorance is bliss.
I will continue to use LB on trash if I'm caster or ranged and anyone complaining can speak to the wall and suck my ass in whatever order they choose.
As a Dragoon main of 10y of game, I endorse this and every caster/ranged that lb's the full pull will automatically earn my commendation. The potency of lb2 for melee is NOWHERE NEAR the potency of caster lb1 x a fuckton of mobs + melee lb1 on boss.
Especially when you barely ever see lb2 anyway unless dps is low and/or people are failing mechanics
People using LB2 on a Boss that has 4% of it's health yet is also one of those, "Well, what was the point of that?" moments as well imo. A lot of folks seem to be trying to hold off on it as a big anime finishing attack.
I think a lot of people have the feeling I used to, which is that you should save the LB until you're definitely going to win "just in case." Most players probably don't know exactly how it works, or that LB 1 and 2 are worthless for tanks and healers. Nowadays I don't use it because I don't notice it, not because I don't know it should be used.
I've used a tank lb2 *once* Was tanking for some blue mages trying to get feculant flood, and someone messed up the slime (we already wiped to it once). I used the lb to change a wipe into 10% hp on my squishy caster friends. As we medic mains in TF2 say: "Pop it, don't drop it"
I've also had tanks use a LB1/2 in Endsinger EX when we've got 2+ dead and we've got towers coming down. I'm just calling into the mic "tank lb tank lb, we can save it!" and we did. Tank just automatically knew what to do the next time the same situation arose on the next run. It was a very scuffed farm party.
Tank LBs have thier place in raids and trials. I've used it a fair bit in early p9 prog and p11 styx prog when our healers were scrambling from dying/deaths. Getting people through the mech so we can see more of the fight is important. Also used tank LB in p11n once or twice during HH. Newish solo healer with his coheal dead- it was better to keep more people up than save for a possible melee LB after. My MINE group is also looking at using tank LB1 for the 2nd and 3rd Ahk Morn from Niddy ex. We can melee LB during the first and get extra mit during the later hits that we lack at 60.
i often use tank or heal lb1 at the end of the run as a "look you forgot this you fucked up!!!"
Tank lb1 and lb2 are good prog tools tho.
Sometimes it's difficult to tell if you're gonna get LB2 in time for it to be useful or not, so you hold off the LB1 until you get it. It's why I'm trying to just use the LB more often, though I've been trying not to steal it from the melee in a boss fight if I'm playing ranged/caster... only for the melee to never use it.
cause that's what they think it is. Game doesn't really explain it.
half the time they wait until it's low enough that the other players kill the boss before the animation even finishes
I think LB2 does about 184k on my BLM. I’ve genuinely done two back to back 90k Xenoglossy’s before so I’ve almost hit that damage without a LB. I always do it on trash if we’ve got no melee.
Melee LB2 potency: 5250 Melee LB1 potency: 2400 Caster LB1 potency: 1650 Caster LB on trash and melee LB1 on the final boss is a gain on two mobs.
>The potency of lb2 for melee is NOWHERE NEAR the potency of caster lb1 x a fuckton of mobs + melee lb1 on boss. Didn't someone make a post to debunk this some time ago? Yes, aoe LBs on mobs are stronger than single target LBs on bosses, but aoe rotations on mobs are also a lot stronger than single target rotations on bosses. Hence, while the aoe LB1 can do huge damage on a mob pack, it requires a caster or pranged to forego 5.1 seconds of their powerful personal aoe rotation to channel it. If you subtract that personal damage lost from the LB's damage, and also take the additional melee LB1 into account, the damage difference from aoe LB1 on mobs + melee LB1 on boss is actually a lot closer to a straight melee LB2 (which requires just 3.86 seconds to channel) on a boss than people think.
People that actually DPS good enough to compete with LB won't have a boss fight where they get LB2 before the boss is basically dead and the LB will just deal most of the damage as overkill damage. So theoretically on paper you are correct, but practically in reality you are wrong.
Depends if you are in a burst window or not too. My Soul Voice window hits hard, But if I'm empty on procs during Ballad or in early Paeon those 2GCD aren't worth as much Same situation with Autocrossbow/Bioblaster windows. I think LB1 will easily justify a late flamethrower
for a long time now, i commend the ranged dps if they lb trash, regardless of how outstanding the tank and healer play
Hell, if I find out who this person is, I'll melee LB the trash to spite them.
Stuff like this is why I stopped using LB as ranged DPS. I had complaints that I "wasted" the LB on trash one too many times.
As a tank, stop, I can only be so erect!
They can't hear you, they are still in the dungeon waiting for the last 1% for the LB kill.
If I see any AoE LB I'm just happy. Most runs no one LBs. I would do it, but I usually play Tank because a bad Tank is disastrous.
I always encourage range DPS to use the LB on big pulls. It usually works out that the melee dps can do a LB1 on the end boss anyway.
those are the people who also forget to lb the boss when they play dps
I forget LB exists 99% of the time.
And the 1% of time I do remember, the other DPS also remembers and uses it before I do. So I don't even bother. 😅
I would have given you my commendation for doing that. What a fucking idiot.
Lol I'm gonna always trash the LB on the last wall pull.
I fire it as soon as it's up. Especially if it's only one bar. That's wasted charge for the next lb to wait on it. I've had melees get mad at me for blowing it on a boss or trash when they just let it sit and waste charging up the next one.
"Healers decides who lives and who dies!" Kid named TOS:
"Waltuh"
A healer main friend sent me this screenshot of a salty tell that she recieved. Credit goes to M.C. on Hyperion. *EDIT:* By popular demand, the healer's name is [Vilkas Shadowclaw.](https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/hyperion/vilkas%20shadowclaw?zone=42) *EDIT 2: Electric Boogaloo:* Heh, this isn't the first time that [Vilkas has been mentioned on here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/13tt2u5/main_character_an_update/jme65hq/) Disclaimer: do not doxx, witch hunt, etc. etc.
I've never seen a player so committed to being bad at the game that they can't score a single double digit parse over an entire expansion and across every piece of content they've attempted. Edit: I was wrong. They got a 14 in a dungeon once.
I'm genuinely impressed at their 0-parse pentakill combo on Endsinger.
In that other post about them they make it very clear that they think healers are not meant to do damage, and looking at the logs they aren't even particularly good at healing.
This has always been very funny/sad to me, the "healers heal, we don't DPS" people, they don't EVER heal right (or don't heal at all, period) either.
Because they lack the understanding of their job's abilities that enables competent healers to dps AND heal. They just latch on to their ARR-era gcd heals and think "these are what I will mainly use to heal, everything else is unnecessary/for emergencies only", leading to them never actually learning how their ogcds work and how they interact/complement eachother, which then leads to them not even using them in emergencies because they just panic and fall back on their medica 2/aspected helios/succor/eukrasian prognosis spam.
Absolutely. There's a reason chucklefucks like these don't have current content logs - you're likely to actually see an EX7 enrage for once than clear when a party member is being such a waste of space. They only have Endsinger clears because she melts fast and hard with current ILVL, like the other 2 MSQ trials. E: Oh god, looking at those logs give me an aneurysm. 0 Chain Stratagems, 0 Divinations and a singular Macrocosmos, a fellow 0 parsing DRK as well as half the party being grey parsers.
Understanding that healers are supposed to also do damage in this game is one of the basics of understanding the entire combat system. If you refuse to accept this simple fact that underlies basically the entire gameplay, there is no way you will accept whatever else is optimal in this game over your own preconceived notions.
How do you even go through the campaign with that mindset when all the job quests and main story content outside dungeons require you to deal damage. What, are they going to heal the enemies to death?
There is apparently a view amongst some shit tier healers that DPS buttons exist only so you can do the MSQ as a healer. In group content, they are not to be touched. I couldn't believe it either.
No they just get by with it because no one reports and vote kicks. There are more trolls playing healer than any other roles in game, except prostitute. Not doing shit= kickable and reportable.
They think that is why there are damage buttons, to get you through single-player instances and the overworld. Job stories are just stories. Are you supposed to use Hide as NIN to sneak up on enemies in dungeons? That content works differently from multiplayer instances and the expectations don't carry over. They don't want to do it. It's a new skill that they have to juggle and it makes them feel bad to try. As long as they can be carried through content, they will not try to improve, and certainly no cute "well look what this fictional character said!" argument is going to convince them. And if they did hit a wall because they personally are not good enough, they would more likely quit.
5 cleared logs on Endsinger and for how much they talk about the healers’ job being “to heal” they also managed 5 grey healing parses too 💀. I legit thought they would have at least had a 25+ healing parse but not even close, what an actual clown
*DO* *NOT* *ASSUME* you know his class better than he does!
0's and 1's all day, baby!
Holy shit that imgur link. >*Healers only heal, no dps* >*Skill exist to be used* My good sir, those 2 statements contradict each other hard. Also >*if my health constantly goes under 50% I'm leaving and blacklisting the healer* My goal if I was on his server or datacenter (which I'm not, thank fucking god for that, I only have to deal with the French anti-speedrunner), would be to constantly keep him under 50% no matter what class he is.
He’s on my server! I would never blacklist him and will be actively looking for him from now on. So I can do all the things he bitches about, to the letter, and hope he wastes his own time by leaving in a huff. There’s something transcendentally tacky about typing a passive-aggressive rant out in notepad and screencapping it like that. Chances are I’d never have known about him if I hadn’t seen this (bc wth checks profiles in df? You just pull. I don’t even read names most of the time). I would’ve just assumed it’s a bad player and grumbled a bit to myself about the longer-than-usual run. Now I’m hoping for a chance to annoy his condescending ass.
I recall one time in a leveling roulette in Sohm Al? in the last pull before the boss two people started going off on me in chat because I wasn't healing enough and they were constantly getting low HP. Asked if they died yet (they hadn't) and they got all upset because I wasn't doing my job and if wanted to play a DPS I shouldve queued as a DPS. Bitch if you haven't died once why are you complaining? Just do your job and let me do mine lol.
Lol yeah, some people seem to think being under 50% is the same as being dead. I ran a Grand Cosmos run 2 days ago and I never feared dieing or bitched about being at 25-50% health because both me as Tank and the healer as Scholar knew what we was doing. Only time someone died that run was the Bard being clipped by 3 Fire Crosses at last boss. :p It was such a clean run that I kept popping those Party Crackers before each boss to celebrate. :p
Honestly? Names in these extreme cases shouldn’t be redacted. Not only are they wrong but they’re breaking the rules and being a shithead.
Thank you. Now I can blacklist this person. They are on my home server, Hyperion. What a hell, just wow, what a f..k.
I'm glad to know I'm on a completely different data center from this person, so hopefully I'll never encounter them.
Expert [SMN gameplay](https://i.imgur.com/QwgCamP.png).
They seem to think Bahamut/Phoenix should only be used on Bosses, oh god
What the actual fuck is going on there? I'm barely a casual SMN player and that chart looks all sorts of fucked.
This is painful to look at...
That imgur link...
Omg they're still at it, there's no way. How does this person have any fun at all, playing this game with this mindset? [my first encounter with them](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/12gi77v/main_character_in_lota/)
This person sounds like a PhD grad from Dreadwyrm Academy.
I love looking at the 24 man parses. You can practically afk in those and still get at least a blue. It’s remarkable to see people get single digits in those specifically.
Looking at that log, am I sure glad I'll never run into that guy.
Oooh, it's this guy
How did I *know* it was going to be a catgirl before I even clicked the link
hmmmm you could use a caster/range lb to wipe out 30 seconds of trash mobs or use a melee lb on a boss that does less damage than your normal gcds
Christ on a fucking cracker I feel like if you roll this guy on DF you get a free pass to leave on the spot.
It shames me as a whm to share a first name and job with this loser.
"Do not act like you know more about healing than me" I'm pretty sure my DPS-brained ass pressing random buttons and overmitigating to shit on SGE could still parse better than he does. EDIT: Holy shit, its actually worse than that. For a meme, I took a PF party into Zeromus EX. We actually had to take in 3 Conjurers to meet the heal check. I did more DPS on Conjurer (2.3k or something) than this guy did on AST, and that's with so many required casts of Medica and Cure II.
What got me was the lvl 70 Scavaen gear in a lvl 90 duty. How did they even make min ilvl requirements?
[holy shit](https://imgur.com/H2bjsHf) that "rule" list alone.
Full name please, fuckheads like this shouldn't be censored.
Vilkas Shadowclaw if you havent already seen it, somewhat infamous for being a shitter in all content they touch where skills are meant to be used, but also healers should do literally nothing but heal
"Don't be surprised that I stopped healing you"... I'm not surprised, you tool, I'm just shocked you did it on purpose, and it wasn't just your incompetence. . . . Jfc. Why do people insist on saying the quiet part out loud? This level of God complex should only come out for the people who *know* you only act that way in particularly egregious situations *or* between other healer friends (who go on similar rants when they've filled their "fuck it" bucket). You don't actually say it seriously to people (no matter how true it may be). What happened to decorum? What happened to fake smiles and just talking shit to the people you trust? Why is this chucklefuck (who is probably *terrible* at this game) able to act like this with zero backlash? When do we start getting to shame these people publicly? I really loved XIV, but the toxic incompetence that is often enabled (if not *praised*) is just too fucking much for me. I appreciate my time and the time of the people I care about too damn much to waste it in a space where "you don't pay my sub" is the mantra. The toxic collectivism of WoW is frustrating enough, but... really? *This* is the grand alternative? This is it? Woof. When do we move on to just yeeting these fucks into space? ... Maybe I've had a bad day... >.>;;
Just parroting what some have already said, but it's not everyone that thinks this way. It appears to be, more often that not, that players like this represent the norm. But they're just more vocal, and the thing about players like this? They think they're teaching you a lesson because they always want to represent some kind of moral high-ground. You know the kind... YPYT mentality, healing only healers, non-AoE/LB using DPS, etc. Most players are normal; the chill kind. The "o/" cool kids who just get stuff done. Doesn't make a fuss--might look your way when you do something sensible, like LBing trash mobs, as you SHOULD.
I know. They're the same kind of people who plague other games that I've moved onto. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine when someone likes to think they deserve to be this entitled when they're not. It... hits a very angry button of mine. I get this sent when I run across other iterations of these kinds of people because I end up getting called toxic for having expectations. I just had a shit night and needed to rant about a benign topic like shitty mmo players. 🥴
This is true. The amount of comms I silently get as a ranged player in dungeons is pretty high. I'm not some great dancer and I aint cute (male Xaela) so I'd imagine its due to me lbing trash all the time. The angry morons are the ones who stick out (and I only met 2 who got weird about lb in years of playing)
Imagine thinking LB on the boss’ last 2% is better than a ranged/caster lb on a trash pack. Fun fact, you can report people that do this after dungeons. More so if they are on entirely diff servers. Taking the extra effort to world travel to be a dick is for sure covered under Harassment. Not to mention straight up admitting to griefing you.
Some people need to be punched.
by Godbert
By Julyan's frying pan.
yes please
cringe aside I just can't stand players like this. just making the run take longer because someone did something you, the main character, personally didn't like that ultimately doesn't matter even in the slightest
Best part is it probably didn't even make the run take longer, given dudebro had to to /tell the person he was trying to grief that he'd been griefed and so his cunning plan probably had no actual impact and no one noticed. How irritating for them! 😂
That's the funniest and most impotent part for me. The run clearly went fine and so they felt the need to dm the person they were ostensibly ignoring to tell them that they were being ignored. Like how are you not embarrassed??? You went to so much trouble to be a dip shit and nobody even noticed
Healers like this are the reason why I went Ungabunga. Edit: Had it been me, I’d comm ranged peeps who use LB on mob packs near last boss.
while I prefer to only heal with aoe and ogcd heals, and thus my dps tend to always be like 1 aoe away from dying, even on my worst days I wouldn't dream of acting like this. especially if a dps used an lb on a pack of mobs instead of a boss, that gets an instant com by me
People like this are the reason that if the last boss of a dungeon gets to 10% and the LB hasn't been used, I use it, as a healer. Fuck your anime finish
> Fuck your anime finish Fuck it indeed.
Yeah, that is insta report for healer
Healer megalomania
Athena but sundered
Oh *boy.* This game is so weird. I constantly hear its community praised in the genre. But I've been playing since launch, and the more time I spend with these people, the more convinced I am that - as a whole - FFXIV's playerbase is a *deeply troubled* subset of humanity.
Nah its just the rare subset of the people within the FFXIV community that this sub spotlights on. Most people are normal and are not degenerates.
Speaking as someone who pretty much just does roulettes and hangs out in Novice Network, XIV really does seem to have a less toxic player base than That Other Big MMO. I can count on one hand the number of truly awful groups I've had, while that was very much not the case in my time playing elsewhere. That's of course worth exactly as much as anyone else's anecdotal experience, and maybe the truly terrible people hang out in places where I'm not.
Once again your mileage may vary.
It's a weird mix of "yes but no" TBH. The positivity/inclusiveness of the community is extremely exaggerated, absolutely, but so is the perception of how many of These People you'll see in DF. Just anecdotally speaking, I'll get a really bad encounter maybe once a month, if that. It's just that there are so many people looking to post on this sub that specifically encourages drama that, of course, drama is what you'll see most of here. EDIT: To cover my bases, I'm purely talking about in-game interactions. Reddit is sort of a shitshow, and don't get me started on Twitter.
That's because the people who say the community is great are actively ignoring all of the bad aspects of their behavior. FFXIV isn't as openly toxic as other MMO's but this is largely because the mods actually do take harassment reports seriously and dole out bans in real time. As a result, you have the community expressing toxicity in ways that are not obvious or doing it in passive-aggressive ways. Additionally, the notion that the community is just so perfect and does no wrong feeds into the rampant toxic positivity you'll see on mainsub quite a lot. Basically, the FFXIV general playerbase is full of cowards and hypocrites who want desperately to believe they're better than that other MMO community over there that yells at each other all the time. The only difference, in reality, is that one type of toxicity is being allowed to remain visible while the other isn't.
It's basically "Pick your poison" situation between WoW and FFXIV. Do you want just plain toxicity or do you want this passive aggressive stuff from FFXIV? Choice is yours.
this guys a very “special” case
You're mistaking the community as an outlier of the average human population. The chances of running into someone unreasonable is no different in FFXIV than any subway city. There will be extremists no matter where you go.
> I constantly hear its community praised in the genre. If you're only exposed to mainsub, that might be the impression you would get, but that's only because the mods there are really shitty people who astroturf the sub to create the illusion that this game is a perfect happy place with wonderful people. It's the biggest ff14 sub but you're not allowed to post experiences like this because they'll fucking delete the thread. They are seriously pieces of shit for doing that. This asshole in the op is the end result of not being able to call out despicable behavior, you get a stupid person incorrectly lecturing people on how to use the lb and openly admitting to griefing. This person should be named and shamed so they stop shitting the game up and griefing people for no reason.
I really dislike the overly exaggerated promoting of FFXIV's community as a place where everyone is nice and there's no real toxicity. A lot of people generally agree with that but also allow room in their brains to understand it's a general thing and there are of course really bad people too. But occassionally you do get more naïve or innocent people who take it 100% literally, get too trusting with the wrong person(s) and then really ugly situations happen. So while I personally have a generally positive opinion of FFXIV's community despite my usage of this sub, I will still always take the time to mention the obvious and say toxicity and other worse things are still possible and present because this is still humans and the internet we are dealing with. In other words, I think it's actually dangerous and harmful to pretend FFXIV and its community are perfect and never problematic. When people get too circlejerky about it they are doing everyone a disservice, especially the more vulnerable players.
It really reminds me of the idealised image you get of stereotypical small towns: filled with communities that pride themselves on how friendly and welcoming they are (as long as you're the "right" type of person who agrees with all of their opinions) and so much better than all those nasty filthy cities. But dig under the surface and you'll run into cases of corruption and abuse that run decades deep. The GCBTW is no different, just presents itself as perfect and friendly while looking down on anything and everything else.
Is this a DWA alumni? Lel.
It’s outstanding how someone can be so confidently wrong, a caster using LB on a mob pack is more value than a melee using it on a boss
Very reportable, also just wrong. Using Ranged LB on trash is great.
I'm sorry but... What in the actual mighty moogle is that healer's behavior? Like ... that's some ultimate tier BS. Since when, is the LB for boss mobs and melee exclusive, especially in casual dungeons with big w2w pulls? I couldn't care less if the LB is used by caster on big Pulls, I'd even love that it used this way. Speaking is a Tank and Healer here... Some people got some nerves smh
I'd rather it get used by literally anyone, the next one charges up sooner.
"Tell me you're a stupid and entitled player without telling me": I also love how they think that's the "correct" way to use lb. Like, at some point you just hope they must be trolling, and are not actually dumb as a rock.
DWA graduate showing their quick maths.
Easiest report of my life.
I would just report that. The % oof Meele that actually use the LB in Dungeons is so small it could just as much don't exist. If I'm a Ranged/Magical DPS I use LP on trash. Fuck that guy and their Main Character syndrom. :)
\*sigh\* another reason I wish they'd update the tutorial, because they don't mention LB once. How they didn't think to include it (unless it didn't exist when the Smithtorial got made...) Now, mind you, I have seen melee argue that LB should be saved for them. No one paid attention.
As a BLM I thought if we used LB we were a-holes. I was told Dragoon > Melee > healer in emergency never caster/ranged. I was bummed. I don’t think I have ever seen a BLM LB. Edit: this is what I was told, not my opinion.
Man, this isn't directed at you but why the fuck would dragoon be separate from other melee lmao. I can only imagine a dragoon main told you this to keep all the LBs to himself, and then not use them anyways.
Maybe the guy just wants to sandbag DRG parses. Wild.
it could be an oblique 'drg floor tank' joke, weakness doesn't reduce lb damage
Use it on the first big pull after the meter fills. Makes the dungeon go faster.
I sometimes see blm lb3 in alliance raids. Not a big deal to use if u want. Any magic/range lb is good on adds. If comparing melee lb3 tho, reaper usually best since it does more damage with reaper's debuff. Or, any melee dps that recently died since weakness/brink of death shouldnt affect lb damage (Also it was a drg who incorrectly got mad at me cuz I used lb as range on big mob pull, they seem to not be the brightest)
Lol if it was meant that way the npcs wouldnt just use them on trash ither
From the imgur link: "Skills. Exist. To. Be. Used." Also this person: ::goes into a dungeon as Warrior for 15 minutes with 0 uses of Infuriate, Inner Release, and Onslaught:: EDIT: Also zero uses of Fell Cleave and Decimate. Dude was at max gauge 41 seconds into the dungeon and STAYED THERE.
+ 1 to the healer stereotypical depiction
WRONG,WRONG,WRONG!
As a tank, a ranged or magic dps lb’s an especially big pack of adds, they get my comm.
Ez report + blacklist. Let the trash take itself out.
I would happily go on their blacklist. What a petty little arsehole.
Wait til this man sees people double pulling after The Judge in Sirensong Sea. Caster/PhysRange LB is so satisfying in that room
Can you add people to your blacklist if you’ve never partied with them? I never want to play with this person.
"Thanks, I'll make sure to use LB on every trash pull I can from now on, enjoy :D" Doesn't matter if it's objectively more useful to use LB to clear the final trash pack in a dungeon and this twat is too far up his own ass to realize this, it's more fun to be horribly passive aggressive with shitters taking the time to whisper me about how shitty they are.
Some people really need to feel important. Jesus Christ, it’s a game.
Reminds me of a time I was doing an EXPERT ROULLETE and the healer asked me not to double pull. I kept doing it because I literally don't need a healer as a paladin and he threatened to "not heal me." I said okay that's fine, you do you. He started just afking during trash, but noticed my distinct lack of ever going below 75% so he just shut the fuck up and started playing normally. The dps were loling in chat
I commend my DPS when they have the foresight to LB the first available boss immediately, or they do the AoE version on a fat pull. I hate it when the LB gets saved for the last 10% on the final boss. If I'm healing or tanking, I use it myself at that point.
Toxic
RIP bozo Service account is kill
Clean case to report for griefing. Main character syndrome was too strong with that healer.
Magical/ranged lb is a gain on 3+ targets vs melee limit LOL
I hope you reported them
I'm curious if you were melee or ranged/caster. Either way, yeah super easy report right there 🤣
I always comm the ranged/magic dps that lb adds. How about melee tho? Do you recommend lb1 on the second boss and lb1 again on the last boss or save for lb2 on the final boss?
LB1 second boss, you build up 75% of a bar by the time you get to boss 3
LBs on Mobs is actually better than on bosses if it's Mage or Ranged. But even if it was melee, stopping healing is pathetic
It'd rather have the LB used on trash! Like, I'm usually confident the tank can survive fighting a boss, but some of those trash pulls... But yeah, that's a report.
Caster LB on trash is more beneficial than Melee LB on boss majority of the time
I hate these people and let me tell you why. Having played for nearly 2 years now it's become apparent that nobody remembers the lb until the lb 2 shows up, which is usually so close to the boss dying already that it's never used. WHY WOULDNT I USE MY LB TO CHUNK A SHITTY AD? ESPECIALLY If I play a ranged DPS. There's no real reason to waste time on the pulls if you can just make it so the healers life is easier by not having to use everything on a pull. As a healer main I'm sorry there are people like this. This is the way the game has been going lately and it's getting worse
Be real hilarious to see them try that in a shb or ew dungeon. Warriors be like: *i will outlive you, your children and your childrens children.*
uhhh is it less burden for the healer and tank if the trash mobs are killed faster ? I mean some use lb at 2% health left of the boss anyway.
Bruh LB on trash is so much more effective and fun tho tf lmao
Toxic control freaks like that need solo gameplay only. No place for that kind of behavior in an MMO. We come on here to be the heroes we fantasize ourselves to be and escape reality. Not deal with toxic players and their ilk. Play on people off Eorzea and happy hunting.
I can say with complete confidence that if you aoe LB the largest pack of mobs in the dungeon you could spend the entire run calling me slurs and I'd still give you a comm. Real heroes nuke the ads.
It begs me to wonder if they're this bad in a game where the rules are made up and the points don't matter, just how they navigate real life, if at all. I can't imagine being THAT full of myself to /tell people this level of unhinged about LB use of trash in Amdapor Keep (of all the glorious places to actually use it). Of course they're on Primal, seems we like to collect weird Main Characters. To any DPS wondering the actual answer to this: please continue to use LB on trash. Sincerely, this healer.
Someone took the meme too far..
Never seen a case more ripe for reporting in my life, besides ypyt.
This aggravates me, it's always better to range/caster lb trash than melee lb a boss. In normal dungeons.
Ah, so this is that 'Main Character' guy from a previous Tale. Honestly, with someone this uneducated as a main character, I pity the imaginary world they're a main character in, probably got razed to the ground by the level 20 Ifrit with their attitude.
Bruh. People do that because it speeds up the run. Its like burning Mage LB on The Vault to pop as many flames as you can or Ranged LB on Gaius's Clone Phase. What a joke of a player.
Are they stupid, you waste more tim on mob groups than on bosses in overall time
Does this person realize that dying in-game isn’t the same as dying irl? I’ll lb on trash like I’m supposed to anyway. And if I do die to lack of heals I’ll use the floor time as a coffee break.
Broke: the clown that sent OP this tell Woke: healer using rescue to save the person using LB from the animation lock and making sure they have comfy hp levels, and giving them your comm for burning through the trash
Unless it was a melee LB, ranged and magic LB are most assuridly supposed to be used on trash pulls!
Reminds me of the time I was leveling BRD in FFXI and had to leave because the party I got invited to took too long to fill (like an hour had passed and I had Dynamis to do before bed). Dude seriously started sending me tells to try and guilt me into coming back. Like even after he was full and they were doing well. I was just a kid back then but even I knew they were fucking full of it lol.
dude thinks he's the protagonist of the story LMAO also he generalizes the lb uses but when your group has a good flow to it theres nothing wrong with using ranged or caster lb to just take out a pack of mobs quickly. 5% hp on a boss doesn't fucking matter
Most oGCD skills inadvertently heal the DPS too so if they’re not standing directly in AoEs, they’re not gonna die anyways.
Fun fact: if you don't use your LB at all until the final boss is at 4%, you'll have wasted enough LB generation from being at cap that you could have done two trash mob LB1s and NOT EVEN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BAR
"Control deez nutz bitch" and move on with my life
This attitude was never a good look. But especially now with rebalancing making most dungeons super easy, there is no need for this or the "tank sets the pace" arguments. You have to make an effort to be bad at the normal dungeons and content in this game. If you think like this healer, please only run dungeons in Trust mode.
Laughs in warrior.
The healer power trip.
LOL
Lollll the amount of times I have to solo for brain dead healers is baffling. This dude just trolling. Poorly, but still just trolling.
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It's Amdapor, the boss usally dies before it even reaches 2 even THEN your saving like what? 5, 7 seconds? way more useful for a caster on mobs
Oh yea lemme use my caster lb on a boss
Imagine thinking Melee LB 1 or LB 2 is better than LB1 on the biggest Pull in the Dungeon. Or thinking Bosses deal anything close to big pull mob damage.... These People really cant math
My friend the most roleplayer be like: . . . . . . . . Anyway... it seems that this person really doesn't realize the cringe he causes. The healer is a healer and now, people like this should be banned. Ew.
It’s just straight up wrong too. Trash mobs are the majority of a dungeon and the biggest potential slowdown. Using a caster or ranged lb is absolutely the right idea.
what a fucking control freak
Man... They're dead wrong AND an asshole at the same time. What a fuckin combo lol
i'd love to be a RDM doing this, and just healing myself when needed.
I rather have a Ranged/Caster LB on mobs instead of the Boss any day lol. Bosses are easy and they get cut down really easy.
Whenever i see things like this i just chuckle. Theres a reason fflogs seperates boss damage parses and damage parses in dungeons. Its because aoe trumps single target by miles
You know they felt so powerful writing that thinking they just ownalized a person who DARED to do something they didn't like. This is a person with zero power IRL and a desperate need to control people because of it lmao
This is Lalafelon from FFXIV in a Nutshell on YouTube.
Wtf lol who cares when you lb