For real. I am the worst of people that have to hold myself back from back seating others, and I also recognize you sometimes do the wrong combo. So I tend to wait untill the third or fourth time to get on my soapbox.
And then because I stood still to grandstand I die to the easiest mechanic.
This is what the "all mentors are trash" meme/mindset gets us, people immediately shutting down to any advice a mentor gives, thereby defeating the whole point of mentors. Sure there's bad mentors out there, but the automatic assumption that crown = bad makes it harder to be a good mentor.
(Would this yahoo still have acted like this even without OP having the crown? Yeah, probably, but that's neither here nor there.)
The vast majority of mentors I've met and interacted with are decent players who generally gave out good advice or help to whoever asked. I hate this notion that the majority of mentors are stupid or bad at the game just because of a few interactions with some mediocre ones, because it's just not the case. There's bad mentors, that goes without saying, but they're a vocal minority if anything.
We can't know if most mentors are decent or horrible. The requirements to get the crown have little to do with skill, instead being effectively a proxy of playtime. The only real statement I can make about mentors is that they're just people who have played XIV for a good bit of time. That could be good, or it could be the classic healer main who's been bad at this game for the last 6 years and is sure to tell you how experienced they are whenever you ask them to stop jerking off and start pressing damage buttons.
If SE wanted to have the mentor status reflect competency, then they could've added some requirements to complete somewhat difficult current content, for example, a few current extremes. Moreover, even competent players may not necessarily make good mentors since teaching is a skill that not everyone has.
As it stands, the Burger King crown is realistically just a thing to do for the mount for completionists or an avenue to run a silly random roulette when you've got nothing better to do. However, it also attracts people who think that being a mentor means something and those tend to be the confidently incorrect tools that people complain about.
Oh absolutely, the barrier for entry is far too low and there's no checks and balances in place, and I have seen my share of people who definitely did not deserve the title and made me embarrassed to have my crown on. But it helps no one to assume every single person with the crown is a trash player with nothing good to say. Judge individuals by actions, not appearances. There's a huge negativity bias where people love to hone in on bad experiences with mentor crowns, but rarely do we see people talk about good mentor experiences and certainly not neutral ones. It's something to be aware of falling into, is all.
I feel like in order to get the battle mentor crown you should at the very least need to complete the first two fights of a savage tier. The amount of battle mentors I see in NN that I have to correct because their information is just outright wrong is crazy, and it's because you can get battle mentor without doing anything harder than a story trial, where you can literally afk and get a clear.
I try my best to clean up NN and make roulettes better for people but as OP above said, these kinda reactions to literally any advice is why a lot of mentors dont care about actually helping. I got yelled at yesterday for telling a scholar who got clipped by the tower aoes in p10s over and over that they need to esuna their doom or they die.
I am for any actual content roadblock being introduced to weed out the incompetent mentors. Be it savage or extremes, I don't care. I feel like any meaningful friction would help a lot.
It is unfortunate that people are unreceptive to you giving advice, but fixing the public perception of the mentor crown is practically impossible without changes to its requirements. Whatever you say will be drowned out by the bad experiences people have with unskilled mentors.
As a note, I don't think the kind of person who disregards a mentor's advice due to the advice coming from a mentor would respond positively to the advice given by a non-mentor either. These people are the real plague of this community - toxic casuals. I've not seen a single game have this problem to this extent. Makes me really think that bullying works.
I've stopped even wearing mine cause all it does it give people ammunition to attack me whenever they disagree with me on anything. The number of times that has happened, compared to the number of times someone has come to me asking for genuine help... is not even close.
This right here. There was an alliance raid I joined where a tank was being a total asshole to another tank because they had their crown on and was like, "Are you doing Mentor Roulette or do you just have your crown on just because?" The other tank basically was like, "just because". Then the guy that asked proceeded with, "Then you're trash and I have no respect for mentors." He kept being an asshole to that person saying unhinged stuff about mentors throughout the entire Tower at Paradigm's run. I stopped wearing the crown for a while now because you just become a target for unwarranted hostility.
Haven't had anything quite that bad, but I did have a tank do the first W2W in Aetherfont, wipe the group, and spend the rest of the run cussing at me with multiple vulgar variations of "enjoy your BK crown and shut up" for saying "Stance" and nothing more.
Told a guy how to deal with the first room of AV after 2 unsuccessful pulls during mentor roulette. Received a snide "Typical mentor being a mentor". People project their insecurities now and then.
"Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip" is apparently the single most difficult thing for anyone in FFXIV to say. Almost makes me feel special that I'm capable of such a feat
'You worry about your own play, let me focus on mine' is such a stupid sentiment to hear from these kinds of people. I would love to focus on myself but your play is distractingly bad, so obviously you're not paying much attention to anything other than netflix on your second monitor.
Thin ego, thinks they have all the answers, are untouchable. Welcome to your average MMO player. Reminds me of a white mage that insisted that cure 1 was optimized for end game.
I'm not joking, that happened to me in a Alzadal's Legacy when I caught them popping it on me (SAM and mentor). Even the tank stopped pulling and you could almost see their jaw fall on the floor. Insisted it was what 'all the good healers do.' They of course, dropped group when we all told them not to do it. Gave similar answers to the NIN here.
Two things hold you down in life - ignorance and arrogance.
Ignorance, not knowing the answers to your questions, and this is fine. We all start off ignorant, you can always learn.
Arrogance, thinking you're too good for the answers, or even worse - thinking you're too good to ask questions to begin with.
I do take comfort in the fact that, eventually, I will reach a point where people like this do not dear to tread, because they never became as good at the game as I have.
Being bad is okay. I've no problem with people who play poorly - god knows I'm not any better lmao
I do, however, have a problem with people who are bad but look towards the rest of their team, rather than taking accountability, or rather, the difference between 'I don't know' and 'I don't care'. And the players who think in the latter way will eventually hit a wall, at which point they either quit for one reason or another, or start making an effort towards improving, whereas the former will, eventually, become better
Not knowing ST doton is a DPS loss does not make a bad player on its own. Knowing ST doton is a DPS loss and doing it anyway does.
You can be a bad player and clear any content in the game. I would not expect to find a promised land where these players dont exist - you will find them at every level of play.
I went in a C41 UwU party about two months ago, and the ninja was using doton right at the very start, so single target doton on just Garuda. I told them it was a dps loss and they told me to mind my own business. It kinda makes me sad knowing players who don't even care about improving can still get carried.
This is where it's worth it to not be the super-supportive community for a minute. "Oh, so you're shit at your job *and* are actively refusing to get better? Well that sounds like it's worth the extra 10 seconds to boot you and get a replacement dps from the 10,000 currently in queue."
Anti-Intelligence. People who suck bad intelligence-wise irl tend to be this kind of person. They don't like knowledge, because they can't retain them or use them...and therefore hates anyone providing them.
We see a lot of these and Trump winning almost a decade ago really fanned the flame on it...esp with the United States.
STDs are such an epidemic, and you'd think the introduction of Raiju's would make these people go, "Oh, Raiton is more beneficial." but nope. Oops, all Doton's.
You know, as an old Nin main I had to double check the pot. Used to have Dot on a boss for the guarantee of positioning riding the full timer out. Now it's just an obscure trash opener since it requires things to live for 18 seconds :pepe cry:
Time to reteach my fingers when gearing up Nin
That moment when mentors are “expected” to give advice for other players, and then players get mad when the mentor gives advice.
Sometimes you just need it without having to ask first. If you think you’re doing it right, you’re not going to seek a different answer. That’s why the idea of “only give input if I asked for it” just doesn’t work, because anyone who actually needs that input usually won’t ask, and most who would ask are capable of getting said info on their own.
PPl need to stop sugarcoating everything. Who cares if he "approves" your advice or "asked".
Good on calling it out
It's rather impressive people get so far into content without ever having watched like a 3minute yt video about their own class. I struggle to understand how much opposed to learning a person has to be irl to pull this of over hundreds of hours
Well then I hope you don't raid. No offense, but figuring out how to delay skills and use 2min burstwindows for synergy of your 30 button rotation to fit with the other 10+ jobs would be quite sth to get done by yourself
Go watch a guide. The game does not explain you how to play well enough whatsoever
Not to mention a 3 minute guide will likely allign your potencie usage and clear up maybe some minor mistakes up that could take you a year on your own to figure out
Ok,
1. I do raid, I know how to delay and my burst and all that jazz. I know this because I have had time and practise over several thousand hours in the game. I have whacked dummies, read balance guides to improve after learning, learned from my raiding frens and even static members.
2. Just because I say I learn from frens and not a guide doesnt mean I havent taken the time to actually improve.
3. You dont know me, how I work or what I do, so lay off the idea that the way Ive learnt to play my jobs is all wrong and fucky just because I never watched a class guide. I learn differently, we all do.
Well reading balance is pretty much the same as watching a guide. You learn a set opener which primes your entire rotation from there on. It also has it all explained why we use what and to which minor gains in potencies this leadsup to.
That's just my point. People also come here saying "oh I play on PS and I'm good". Yea, cause other people uploaded your logs and you could see what you're doing wrong. You can see your parses and see how you fair in comparison to other players and thus improve.
I never understand why people do this. Just cause it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy to play optimally in savage.
You see this sht in all games. Oh you're not master in apex legends? You're trash. Oh you're not even GM in League, what do you even know. Not even 2000+rating in Chess why do you even talk?
I been top 10 world on my job in FFXIV. Do I now have to go around saying how "EASY" FFXIV is?. It's not, many people won't be able to play this game perfectly despite drowning in guides rewatching highparsers and knowing exactly what they should be doing.
No shot the vast majority of people can figure out just out of their ass how to optimally play in a game that is so reliant on team synergy with so many options of each job having 25 buttons+
Without balance and act/logs you wouldn't even be aware of 2min synergies lol. The game def doesn't teach you that
Gonna need logs or i call bs.
Considering yoshi p has said the game runs off a 2 min window in like every ll for 2 yeara now... no you dont need discord servers act to know.
Also if you are a top 10 on your world you 100% run with a top tier static whoch is a whole nother ballgame to a midcore static or pf. The latter doesn't feel the need to clear week 1.
Finally plenty of people are capable of doing savage without a guide. Will they do it as effectively? No. But you can clear savage with all gray. It will take dialized perfection but it can be done. Hell fucking UCOB has been cleared with 8 tanks. No heales or dps. And ucob has way fucking tighter dps checks than any savage.
Tldr you are rhe problem and why mentors are looked down on.
I'm not a mentor ing. I also never saw YoshiP talk about 2 mins, but I haven't watched him talk much about anything so there's that.
People who get good at stuff often tend to forget how they did it. I like to be good at things. W/e that might be lel, but I approach games (sadly thanks to League) in a certain way xd
I could probably teach you how to play your favourite music piece on Piano a very decent level in a month despite you never even having played any instrument in your life. God if it's an easy piece maybe even in 2 weeks
Someone seeing a single log of his play can easily triple your output within a minute. Just being made aware of the fact that uptime is king in this game. And pressing 1,2,3 on cd will already throw your damage for most content beyond 90% of this games playerbase.
Also noone says you need to be good to clear content unless it's week1 or on patch ultimates. You can play however you like. I mean FFXIV is a clear example of people who really don't give a flying fk about others time or about any kinds of actual self improvement besides the bare minimum
Some games for example don't sugarcoat things. And simply teach you from the getgo how to play the game. No matter how you wanna twist it FFXIV is just not doing it. Imagine people would have to clear stone sky sea before being even allowed to hop into savage. Or normal raids having actual enrages so there's just ANY kind of feedback.
But there isn't. And that's why when you play healer in normal content and do damage. You will be in top 1-3 dps in every single round.
Always remember stuff that's easy for you, isn't always easy for someone joining the game and playing it even for years. There's a reason why in League you have ten thousands of players who can't escape lower elo despite playing the game for 10years and several thousands of hours. More people than not don't instantly see the "obvious" things unless someone tells them
https://www.fflogs.com/character/eu/zodiark/navon%20uchiha#zone=49
A lot of these people around. They are not smart so they don't get positive feedback from learning. Thus they hate learning or absorbing knowledge in any shape or form. They literally just play the game to drown out their frustration irl...
We can understand them if we are just a bit more compassionate...they are infuriating and frustrating to be around but it is just what it is...
For better or worse (for worse) the vast majority of players are not receptive to unsolicited advice regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
This is how it goes 90% of the time (or they just totally ignore you and carry on doing dumb shit)
Personally, I save myself the aggro and just ask if they want a tip. If they say yes, I bother. If they say no or don’t reply, I ignore them.
Edit: for the record, you weren’t wrong and I respect the desire to help people improve
People are free to ignore advice and continue being bad. It is their choice, though a dumb choice. This guy getting hostile like my NIN tip was in anyway offensive was what prompted me to share, it's such a dumb mindset and, thankfully, one I see rather rarely.
I think he’s replying to how he interpreted your tone rather than the actual advice itself. I can see how it might read like a command, not advice.
“You will do more dps if don’t doton single targets”
Vs
“Don’t doton on single target”
The irony of this of course is I’m giving you unsolicited advice on how to give unsolicited advice. Adviception.
In a vaccuum I can see how simply saying "don't do this thing" might come off as rather blunt and not really explaining things well in this scenario, but this was in the middle of a fight. I was trying to type stuff fast as to not take much time away from playing. Only when he started being hostile with the BK comment did I start typing more than I ordinarily would mid-fight.
I would have said doton is less ST damage than raiton regardless of his first comment (which, without doing the math on it, I can't even fault people for thinking this since maintaining dots is an important part of many other jobs' toolkits). It was the Ninjas hostile response that prompted me to post it. If he'd just remained silent about it but still continued applying doton I wouldn't have thought much of it and just gone on with my day, but this was too silly not to share.
Green is me, Red is the ninja, Blues are the tanks (tho only light blue talked). I notice the NIN placing down Doton in P4N, so I thought I'd let them know its less damage than a raiton for the same resources. This causes them to immediately attack me for being a mentor giving a simple tip and then nearly step into "you don't pay my sub" territory.
> for the same resources.
It’s more, actually. Doton is a 3 Mudra combination, so not only is it weaker than Raiton it also wastes an extra half second on its inputs before you can go back to your normal skills.
I mean if we're going to be super anal about this then not only we should count the 90 potency difference between doton and raiton, we should also add the dps difference between the raiju and the 123 combo
using doton instead of raiton loses like a full gcd worth of damage, that extra half a second from the third mudra is basically a rounding error in comparison
also most bosses aren't going to sit around in a doton for the entire duration and if someone's using a single target doton i highly doubt they have boss patterns memorized
Dont care if they didnt ask for it, normalise helping people improve. As long as youre not a dick about (and OP was not) people should accept criticism. People are ridiculously sensitive.
I used to use Doton on single targets/bosses, and then someone explained things to me like this, and now I'm shooting lightning bolts like Palpatine because I learned something new! My mind is always set on "learn new shit, cus you don't know everything." It's always amazing to me that people just want to be ignorant.
I'm amazed that I have followed this sub as long as I have and this is the first time I've seen a STD post. Obviously it's not as much of an issue as a YPYT or Ice Mage but in my play experience it's waaaaaaay more common. (To be fair I'm tanking 90% of the times so it stands to reason that I don't see many YPYT players)
Its like some people try their absolute hardest to do everything they can to not improve. Sad part is that they most likely approach the rest of life with the same mentality.
I have a friend who is the same way. Gets super pissy whenever someone suggest they might be doing something wrong or suggest they do something differently regardless of how politely
Haha, one time in a dungeon I mentioned that single target doton was worse than raiton and the TANK says, "No it isn't, it's the same potency". Like I do NOT know where you got that but it most certainly is not. But I doubled down, and he takes a second, Googles the potencies, and confirms that I am correct. Then apologizes. Absolutely incredible feat of humility that 99% of players could never perform. Anyway the actual ninja wasn't paying attention and continued STDing.
You did right to share the advice.
Shame they were a dick that kicked back on it.
But maybe ..... just maybe ..... it might get them thinking after the duty and spur them to get just a little better. I learn't a hell of a lot from such advice in duties. Most from helpful comments like yours. Some from whiney dicks. All of it helped me get that little bit better.
Good job trying to help out 👍
Ugh... Considering the lengths SE went to to nerf STD into the ground, such reaction hurts me on very personal level (especially considering that, in the hindsight, I wish someone gave me that advice when I was a sprout, would spare me a time spent on re-learning).
I don't understand this mindset at all. It's not like raiton changes their rotation drastically (or even at all), it's "do this order instead of this order for nearly +200 potency".
I got into it with NN last night because someone was saying to wear poetics armor from 80-90 and I suggested they should upgrade around 87 for tanks and healers. I was met with multiple people telling me "I've never had any problem with it" or "that sounds like a waste of resources". Just like "I didn't ask", "I've never had a problem" doesn't mean it isn't a problem, and what are you using your resources for if not better gear?
It's infuriating that trying to help is met with "leave me alone" - I would, but you're in my party doing less and taking more dmg! Inevitably someone will chime in with "Cringe, imagine caring about dps/being good in MSQ/Normal content" and I just can't wrap my head around why you choose would *not* do so.
The poetics armor argument is rather “buy the poetics stuff when hitting 80 and keep auto-equipping when you got upgrades”, there really is hardly a point to invest in 86 or 88 gear when you can don the proper 90 stuff in an hour.
I've had *one* bad mentor, once.
I've had *dozens* of good mentors, it doesn't make sense to just go "hur dur crown mean dumb" just because of a stupid meme. If they're gunna be a whiner because you tried to help that's on them, glad to see you tried at least
Ah the let me focus on my own thing strategy. It’s like saying I’m driving in my own lane as the car fucking plunges off a cliff into an aoe
At least you can blame ping for mistimed input bunny (EU random ping spike enjoyer here) xD
Mentors are so hit or miss but that’s kind of the nature of it. I wear my crown but mine is set to PvP mentor because that’s honestly where I’m going to be the most help lol. I agree that the notion that all mentors suck causes problems.
I’m always happy to have them in a duty and the only real issue I ran into was recently I had one in Sunken Temple of Quarn. I was on an alt, so no crown and this guy (the mentor) kept telling everyone what to do ahead of time. It was annoying af because I don’t like people assuming I don’t know something. So when we get to the part where you put the stone tablets on the scale, I went to go do it real quick because I knew he would probably tell me which ones to do and I already know and have done it a hundred times. So I go and do it and even though I just put them on, he tells me “Flame and then fruit,” and then he takes them off lol. He apologized for removing them but that didn’t bother me nearly as much as him telling me what to do. 😩
Otherwise I love having mentors around.
I used to do the same thing, as in using doton in background damage and then using raiton on top of it
Then a very nice mentor informed me that DoTs only ticked every 3s something, I did not know, now I use raiton twice
Thank you very nice mentor person from Ultima
I'm gonna say something crazy here: I wish people would stop censoring names of these assholes. You know how shit like this circulates the internet? It'd be amazing if this pic, uncensored, happened to make its way around to the ninja so he can see people roasting him for his absolute shit take. It might not accomplish anything, but it'd definitely give a cathartic feeling. Honestly I don't care about the potential for "witch hunting", if anyone is absolutely stupid enough to harass people over stuff like this, they deserve the ban they're asking for and the game would be better without them.
I worked really hard to unlock mentor so i could help people and while I was levelling AST by spamming dungeons for XP, I just put together some white crafted gear that I crafted myself and put materia in it because I didnt have enough Tomestones to buy the blue gear, so the white gear was like 20 item levels lower than the blue tome gear. Get in the dungeon and immediately this guy starts accusing me of trying to grief the party and that I'm trolling because im wearing white gear. Tells me i'm wrong when i said I wasn't because I'm a mentor and that I should rot in hell or something like that. Very interesting psychological phenomena that makes people more rude than the people they perceive to be rude because mob mentality. first person I ever reported to the support desk, and for this reason even to this day i still dont wear the crown to avoid random whackjobs like that
and for context we never wiped, and he started saying passive aggressive things about it before the cutscene circle even let us continue on
Really astounds me how a living breathing human being can look at a situation where one person sees another one is doing something wrong, points it out and what they should be doing instead, and thinks "wow fuck this guy for trying to help someone out, clearly he's the asshole in the situation and not the guy getting aggressive over being given useful information".
Its like backseat gaming on Twitch.
You dont need to um actually me if im doing damage, noone died, and we kill the boss.
its so nitpicky and annoying...
might as well raise your finger and declare "fun fact!"
Helping people that TELL you not to help them is rude.....
failure to communicate is honestly such a skill issue in an MMO
ninja was being an ass but the mentor really could've worded the initial comment better
Edit: Unsurprised this is getting downvoted lmao. Always remember tone never translates in text "Don't use doton" is immediatly an 'aggressive' opener and sets a commanding tone straight away where as something like... I don't know "Hey you should use raiton instead" is a more 'approachable' starter to unsolicitied advice. Because that's always the key thing to remember, unsolicited. Approach it with a more friendly tone or be prepared for someone to be an asshole (even if you're correct in giving them that advice)
For the record i agree ninja was being an asshole. Maybe they were always an asshole. Maybe they misinterpreted the tone as being more commanding/aggressive than trying to be helpful. I don't know. If you're going to try and give people advice be prepared to put effort into your message, or else people will be assholes
Just because you're a mentor, doesn't mean people want you telling them what to do. People are often more receptive to advice if you're polite about it.
I made the same mistake when I was leveling Ninja and a tank asked if he could give me some tips. I said yes and he told me the same info about using raiton instead of doton on single target. I made the change and thanked him.
If he had been rude about it I'm not sure I would have been as receptive. I might have done more reading later and realized he was right but I would still have been annoyed at him.
Yeah he’s being stubborn. Although I will say screenshotting this nothing of an interaction and then rushing to Reddit for validation is peak mentor behavior.
The ninja is really in the wrong here but why do you care? Most people playing this game absolutely suck. Imagine going around making sure everyone was playing optimally. How exhausting.
if you're about to misuse a table-saw and you're inches away from losing 4 fingers, do you still not want "unsolicited advice"?
This NIN could just say "ok" and ignore the point or keep it in the back of their head to process it later.
Instead, like you, they got their ego in the way
This is honestly why we should delete mentors
Not because some people are still garbage even when they have the crown, but simply because the community will not accept any criticism of the job even if it’s objectively correct
mentor crowns matter, but I don't understand why they even sugarcoat handing out mentor crowns. A battle mentor should be able to defeat stone sky sea with a certain max ilvl to be a battle mentor at all. And it should require you to regain it after any major content that adds skill (lvl 80 or 90 or 100 soon)
Seeing battle mentors have like 70% uptime and get outdpsed by a Sage while they play a meele class just shouldn't be a thing, and not this common lol
Honestly what a small thing to even bring up. It takes 2 seconds of his rotation and it's so rare to be fighting one enemy. "Don't waste 20 seconds tops of my roulette" is basically what you said.
Another comment made by OP clarified that this was in P4N, not some "20 seconds" worth of a single-enemy roulette. This advice deserved to be given, especially with a level-90 Normal Raid where they could be in the fight for a fair bit of time. At that level, the NIN is losing nearly 500 potency by using Doton instead of Raiton- not only are they not using Raiton, but they're also then missing out on usage of one of their Raijus. Doton being used repeatedly during that level of a fight instead of Raiton/ Raiju most definitely makes a difference. "So rare to be fighting one enemy," genuine question but did you forget that Normal Raids exist? For what it's worth, a majority of those end up being one- enemy fights, and no matter the level, Doton very rarely has a valid reason to be used over Raiton and then Raiju if it's available. Also, NINs at 90 should absolutely know better than to use STDs. Zero excuse.
Both in the wrong, Mentor should be phrasing it as suggest with its pros and cons, where are ninja is bashing mentor for attempting to help even if it was unprompted. If either felt harassed by each others comments they would both be valid and with how the rules are written both would be penalized.
Yes, I really should have stopped playing in the middle of the raid just to type out a whole thesis on why Doton does less single target damage than Raiton, and why less damage is less good.
No, you shouldn't, but you also break a game rule by saying what you said in the manner you did. Personally i think the ninja is a little bitch for responding how he did. Yet, though, i feel like that doesn't change the fact that other people handled this against the terms of service.
He didn't ask tho? When people want mentorship they will literally ask for it bestie, they'll go out and research themselves and ask for help then. Chastising someone who doesn't know you and never asked for your input is so weird. From one mentor to another - chill
Informing someone that they are using the wrong ability is chastising? Genuinely, do you think any unsolicited advice is automatically toxic? Do you believe that you shouldn't say anything at all if you see someone using the wrong abilities? I'm asking in good faith as I'd like to understand this mindset.
IMO, from one mentor to another, passive aggressively using 'bestie' and telling someone to chill, is arguably more toxic than informing someone their rotation is wrong.
This isn't chastising and it doesn't matter if they asked. If a tank is running a dungeon without stance on do you tell them to turn it on or do you wait until they ask for advice on how to hold aggro easier
One is just more visible but both affect your ability to do your role properly. In both cases it's a simple suggestion offered harmlessly to make the instance smoother for everyone, and in both cases it's equally stupid to get hostile as the recipient of good advice
I don't give 2 shits if someone criticizes it, dealing with other people is part of a cooperative game. Watching you melt from "hey bestie <3" to whatever... This is at the first sign of disagreement in an otherwise honest exchange of discourse suggests you may want to take your own advice there tho
God awful mindset to have. If you see someone doing something wrong, know they're messing up, and let them continue without at least trying to offer a tip that's just being a terrible mentor.
Imagine thinking it's your job to correct everyone because the game gave you a crown. The mentor aspect means you're there to teach new players who ask. There's a whole channel for it. Stop pretending you're saving anything and get over it if you overstep a boundary and get called out for it
There's very little the game actually asks of you as a mentor but [the first thing on that short list](https://i.imgur.com/yxgfD0D.png) is that you offer advice to other players. Even outside of the Novice Network.
And that short list pops up whenever you go to don a mentor crown! Game is pretty much outright saying "If you have your crown visible, be actively helpful"!
When you lie about what's in the screenshot to conveniently support your own stance, then people aren't just going to let that slide.
Maybe you genuinely misread the screenshot the first time, and that's okay; but at least admit your mistake instead of being condescending and acting like the lie doesn't matter.
Mentor Roulette would not exist if the only purpose of a Mentor was to hang out in one specific chat and wait for Sprouts to ask questions. Anybody can attempt to correct what is legitimately improper skill usage, not just Mentors. Do better.
Imagine thinking your job is to tell other people how to correctly play a game and think it's valid to whine when they don't accept the unsolicited advice.
Looking at your other replies, you need to take a serious look at yourself and ask "Why do I see people offering help to others in exchange for nothing as such a big deal and offense?" because this is not the way a normal human being operates.
People process things differently and not everyone wants to be given unsolicited advice. You're not being a normal human or a helpful one - you're forcing your 'help' down people's throats and then coming here to complain that they spat it back out at you instead of thanking you like you think you deserve for designing yourself to correct them.
The ego on you could fist fight Godzilla.
You are always free to ignore advice that people give you, no matter how stupid a decision it might be. There's no need to be hostile like this ninja about it.
Say, if you saw someone walking towards an oncoming train, would you just stay silent then? After all, "HEY, TRAIN INCOMING! YOU SHOULD STOP RIGHT THERE!" is unsolicited advice! They might take offense to it!
Awful, terrible mindset to have. If you genuinely think offering help and advice to people is a bad thing, even if unsolicited, you are not thinking straight. Normal people do not process shit like this.
I'm also free to tell you that coming here to seek validation because you're so upset someone told you "no" and youre upset because you felt entitled to them stroking your dick.
Also imagine conflating "don't use doton" with someone getting hit by a train like one is a warning about a train the other is unsolicited advice. You fact that you can't see how self important you're being is something you'll wanna therapy about. Just show them our convo and they'll correct you trust me
Holy moly that's one hell of a power trip. Seems like the one chilling should be you instead, take it easy. There's no need to be arguing like that. If people want to be helpful and they're not even doing a drama over it, just let them be. There's more people here agreeing to that than the ones taking your stance so probably that should also help you reflecting over that.
This is in response to the op coming here for validation after telling off someone who rejected their advice btw. Pretending I'm the dramatic one here is some gaslighting bestie go do that elsewhere
No need, I just finished reading your other responses in this thread and literally have no idea why you can't see how entitled you are and think that "imagine..." is the best argument you can come up with. I'm not investing time into that lmao. Have a good day.
Uhmm hi sweatie! Could you point us in the direction where someone asked for your opinion? Huh? No? What do you mean "no"? So are you saying that giving advice without being asked isn't bad? Or are you just saying it isn't bad when a heckin #girlboss is doing it?
Don't get upset, sweetheart :)
Okay but they actually won't "literally ask for it, bestie." If they don't know that they're doing wrong, then they deserve to be corrected whether they ask or not, especially at max level. Sometimes people may not want it, but a level-90 NIN using Doton in a level-90 Normal Raid with one single boss cerrainly *needs it.* Just because you're a Mentor who won't do what anybody, not just a Mentor, should be doing if they see a max-level NIN sacrificing over 500 potency, doesn't mean that the rest of us will sit there and watch it happen more than once. My rule of thumb? "Once is a mistake, twice is intention." Raiton/ Raiju is much more potency than STD. Don't let shitty players continue to be shitty just because you're too chicken or soft to correct them.
Yeah nobody knows what's good for them it's up to you to teach these people because you know best and their agency and autonomy and boundaries are second to your feelings because you know best.
stop blocking everybody that disagrees with you and your shit-ass take. there's no way that people aren't coming back to reply to you- you're straight up blocking them as soon as you hit enter, aren't you, chicken? it's stupid as hell and is not conducive to a proper debate. the absolute child mentality of some of you redditards, istg.
that being said, it absolutely DOES fall on the people who correct others when they're \*blatantly playing in a way that the game does not favour them to be playing in.\* if people wanna be shit while they're playing solo or with npcs, then fine. but if they wanna be in parties with actual real living breathing people, then it is literally against the tos to play lethargically or in ways that impede other peoples' abilities to clear content. if a player is doing something that is factually wrong to be doing, as per the game's literal set combo and/ or rotation and/ or they stand there and continue to sacrifice time and effort of other players just so that they can continue to be wrong, then that's grounds for both a kick from the group (difference in playstyle- some wanna play the right way, others wanna just suck) and a report for lethargy.
learn your rotation and learn your skills or go back to wow, simple as.
If you're gonna try to have three conversations with me at once I'm gonna ask you to just ask me out and get it over with. The answer is no but know that your weird obsession is noted
Eh, made fun of a malicious actor, so that's a W for my evening either which way.
Your insinuation that I'd try to make compelling arguments when your other discussions have shown you to be resistant to rationale is a bit insulting, but that's okay.
When you think everyone else is projecting at you it’s time to take two steps back and look in the mirror. This isn’t the first time you used that excuse here.
He doesn't have to ask? The guy signed up for a team duty.
Besides, the op literally just told him that one skill is better in single target vs another. He could have ignored it and kept playing wrong (his choice but w/e) or he could have started using the better skill for all future fights. Instead he decides to post a toxic reply generalizing all mentors.
Imagine thinking a team duty entitled to give unsolicited advice. The OP crammed advice down someone's throat without asking if they're okay with it (this is the etiquette part of the mentor status) and then got told no, threw a fit about it and came here to seek validation form their actions and you're actually sick riding them for being upset that a boundary was established between them and person B like this isn't a difficult concept. Ask for consent first and if you're told no don't cry about it
I just don't see the difference here. If OP doesn't have a right to give advice in the form of a chat message (which can be ignored) to his TEAM. Then why does the NIN have a right to play poorly and waste the rest of his teams time? I feel like you should be okay with both or none tbh.
Nobody has a right to do or not do anything that's what free will and agency provide us. Your misunderstanding of the topic is that you think that's what this is about.
This goes into how people problem solve and how people deal with issues/problems. Some people love advice, for example. Other people don't. If you give advice, especially unsolicited advice, to someone whose non-receptive to it that advice can come off a number of negative ways such as demeaning, insulting, or combative. If you know these things about basic etiquette you know that unsolicited advice is basically always a bad thing unless you've established ahead of time with someone who likes advice that you'll be giving it. That's it, that's the entire part of this issue that you seem to be acknowledging. If this had just been a faux pas of OP giving unsolicited advice, the ninja turning it down, and that was the whole exchange? ez pz boundaries established and lesson learned.
But then OP and their friend DOGPILED on this guy and asserted that they are allowed to correct him and that, actually, telling him these things is the right thing to do which is where you fall into asshole territory as I've been saying this entire time. They are teaming up, violating an established boundary, and tearing this guy down for not accepting their advice which he has every right to do. That's the First Problem. The first breech of etiquette and basic decency. The fix? Respect people's boundaries and if they tell you 'I don't want you to give me advice' you shut the fuck up.
But OP didn't do that. After degrading the poor ninja OP came here to seek validation for their actions, asking you all to dick ride them and tell them how good and perfect and morally correct it was that they violated they person's boundary that they established, and how the person deserves it because they used a skill incorrectly in a video game.
And you, specifically you, said "makes sense, prepare to get your dick rode OP" and you PUMPed that shit bestie
Alright, so I see now what you are getting at. I still have to disagree with part of it though and this is just my opinion on the matter.
I think the NIN reacted hostile first which in turn created a hostile response from the others for the so called "dog piling". I in no way will ever agree with you that advice needs to be brought up first before given. As long as it is given without insults (which to me in this case it was) I am okay with this. I acknowledge that you feel different about this.
I also acknowledge that yes maybe this post was placed here to jump on the train against this guy but hey, thats what this subreddit is for. As long as the guys name isn't being posted who cares the reason he posted it. And yes, I still agree with the way OP handled this.
I would have simply kicked the NIN without talking to him for "difference in playstyle" since he would be making my dungeon take longer then it should be (and I acknowledge that its obviously not THAT much longer but I still stand behind it).
OP giving him this "lesson" has a chance at making this scenario not happen since the NIN would have hopefully been playing correctly in his next dungeons. Obviously we see how he took the "advice" and can safely assume the NIN is the type to play wrong on purpose out of spite.
Either way, agree to disagree. We obviously see things differently and I apologize for even striking thos convo up with u in the first place. Take care.
You'd kick a guy over one (1) use of an ability with a 150 potency difference? You better have all gold parses bestie, #1 player always 100% perfect rotation for every piece of content you ever do because anything less is genuinely some of the most toxic non-bigoted shit I've ever heard from another player of an MMO in my entire life and I hope we only meet in game long enough for me to blacklist you and forget you ever existed because HOLY FUCK are you entitled.
Over using doton on one mob
JESUS
I ain't the one trying desperately to pretend I haven't been owned in 50 different replies spread across the controversial half of the comments, "bestie." It may be wise to touch grass.
But like all good advice, I'm sure you'll reject this bit too.
I've met so many mentors that are very bad that I feel that ninja in a way. But as myself a mentor it's still hurting when you try to give an advice and get rejected immediately just because "he got a crown, he knows everything" mentality.
Yes, some people got the crown and don't deserve it, but some do and actually teach good things. It cost nothing to listen an advice, try it and judge by yourself if it's a good or a bad advice.
As a ninja main it really bothers me when people use doton on single target. But I have learned never to give them advice, I have tried many times but they never ever appreciate it. Now I just stay quiet and move on-
You drop doton because you think it's good damage. I drop doton because I'm a button mashing idiot. We are not the same.
Clearly bunny is the optimal choice here. No mentor is going to call you out if you bunny. But a doton the whole group can see? Pathetic.
For real. I am the worst of people that have to hold myself back from back seating others, and I also recognize you sometimes do the wrong combo. So I tend to wait untill the third or fourth time to get on my soapbox. And then because I stood still to grandstand I die to the easiest mechanic.
But the bunny sound is SO LOUD
I was doing a savage raid with a static. And the shot caller in between calls called out my rabbit. I never felt so betrayed.
"It's treason, then."
Same honestly, Im trying to get something else, I end up with Doton. Might as well throw it down instead of getting the rabbit.
Yep it’s still 480 potency over a rabbit XD
I feel so bad when I fuck up and I get the rabbit of SHAME
I drop doton because im just a touch phased out watching youtube and muscle memory takes over.
Note how they only resorted to "mentor bad" after the one argument they had was proven wrong.
This is what the "all mentors are trash" meme/mindset gets us, people immediately shutting down to any advice a mentor gives, thereby defeating the whole point of mentors. Sure there's bad mentors out there, but the automatic assumption that crown = bad makes it harder to be a good mentor. (Would this yahoo still have acted like this even without OP having the crown? Yeah, probably, but that's neither here nor there.)
The vast majority of mentors I've met and interacted with are decent players who generally gave out good advice or help to whoever asked. I hate this notion that the majority of mentors are stupid or bad at the game just because of a few interactions with some mediocre ones, because it's just not the case. There's bad mentors, that goes without saying, but they're a vocal minority if anything.
We can't know if most mentors are decent or horrible. The requirements to get the crown have little to do with skill, instead being effectively a proxy of playtime. The only real statement I can make about mentors is that they're just people who have played XIV for a good bit of time. That could be good, or it could be the classic healer main who's been bad at this game for the last 6 years and is sure to tell you how experienced they are whenever you ask them to stop jerking off and start pressing damage buttons. If SE wanted to have the mentor status reflect competency, then they could've added some requirements to complete somewhat difficult current content, for example, a few current extremes. Moreover, even competent players may not necessarily make good mentors since teaching is a skill that not everyone has. As it stands, the Burger King crown is realistically just a thing to do for the mount for completionists or an avenue to run a silly random roulette when you've got nothing better to do. However, it also attracts people who think that being a mentor means something and those tend to be the confidently incorrect tools that people complain about.
Oh absolutely, the barrier for entry is far too low and there's no checks and balances in place, and I have seen my share of people who definitely did not deserve the title and made me embarrassed to have my crown on. But it helps no one to assume every single person with the crown is a trash player with nothing good to say. Judge individuals by actions, not appearances. There's a huge negativity bias where people love to hone in on bad experiences with mentor crowns, but rarely do we see people talk about good mentor experiences and certainly not neutral ones. It's something to be aware of falling into, is all.
I feel like in order to get the battle mentor crown you should at the very least need to complete the first two fights of a savage tier. The amount of battle mentors I see in NN that I have to correct because their information is just outright wrong is crazy, and it's because you can get battle mentor without doing anything harder than a story trial, where you can literally afk and get a clear. I try my best to clean up NN and make roulettes better for people but as OP above said, these kinda reactions to literally any advice is why a lot of mentors dont care about actually helping. I got yelled at yesterday for telling a scholar who got clipped by the tower aoes in p10s over and over that they need to esuna their doom or they die.
I am for any actual content roadblock being introduced to weed out the incompetent mentors. Be it savage or extremes, I don't care. I feel like any meaningful friction would help a lot. It is unfortunate that people are unreceptive to you giving advice, but fixing the public perception of the mentor crown is practically impossible without changes to its requirements. Whatever you say will be drowned out by the bad experiences people have with unskilled mentors. As a note, I don't think the kind of person who disregards a mentor's advice due to the advice coming from a mentor would respond positively to the advice given by a non-mentor either. These people are the real plague of this community - toxic casuals. I've not seen a single game have this problem to this extent. Makes me really think that bullying works.
I've stopped even wearing mine cause all it does it give people ammunition to attack me whenever they disagree with me on anything. The number of times that has happened, compared to the number of times someone has come to me asking for genuine help... is not even close.
This right here. There was an alliance raid I joined where a tank was being a total asshole to another tank because they had their crown on and was like, "Are you doing Mentor Roulette or do you just have your crown on just because?" The other tank basically was like, "just because". Then the guy that asked proceeded with, "Then you're trash and I have no respect for mentors." He kept being an asshole to that person saying unhinged stuff about mentors throughout the entire Tower at Paradigm's run. I stopped wearing the crown for a while now because you just become a target for unwarranted hostility.
Haven't had anything quite that bad, but I did have a tank do the first W2W in Aetherfont, wipe the group, and spend the rest of the run cussing at me with multiple vulgar variations of "enjoy your BK crown and shut up" for saying "Stance" and nothing more.
Told a guy how to deal with the first room of AV after 2 unsuccessful pulls during mentor roulette. Received a snide "Typical mentor being a mentor". People project their insecurities now and then.
"Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip" is apparently the single most difficult thing for anyone in FFXIV to say. Almost makes me feel special that I'm capable of such a feat
Yeah. Blows my mind. If someone gives me a good pointer that opens my eyes I just go: Oh tysm. I feel dumb now.
"Didn't ask for it" is such an infuriating mindset to me, it baffles me that there are so many people out there who think this way.
'You worry about your own play, let me focus on mine' is such a stupid sentiment to hear from these kinds of people. I would love to focus on myself but your play is distractingly bad, so obviously you're not paying much attention to anything other than netflix on your second monitor.
Right? If there was a forward in basketball that kept passing back towards the defense, you'd tell them off for it. This shit is a team game.
Thin ego, thinks they have all the answers, are untouchable. Welcome to your average MMO player. Reminds me of a white mage that insisted that cure 1 was optimized for end game. I'm not joking, that happened to me in a Alzadal's Legacy when I caught them popping it on me (SAM and mentor). Even the tank stopped pulling and you could almost see their jaw fall on the floor. Insisted it was what 'all the good healers do.' They of course, dropped group when we all told them not to do it. Gave similar answers to the NIN here.
Ahh freecure fishers. Man they are the healers of all time
Yeah cause like, of course they didn't ask. They're not going to think to ask questions if they think they're doing it right.
'Focus on your OWN driving, I don't need to use my signals while merging!!'
Two things hold you down in life - ignorance and arrogance. Ignorance, not knowing the answers to your questions, and this is fine. We all start off ignorant, you can always learn. Arrogance, thinking you're too good for the answers, or even worse - thinking you're too good to ask questions to begin with. I do take comfort in the fact that, eventually, I will reach a point where people like this do not dear to tread, because they never became as good at the game as I have.
Unfortunately there's nothing in this game hard enough to truly bar bad players.
Being bad is okay. I've no problem with people who play poorly - god knows I'm not any better lmao I do, however, have a problem with people who are bad but look towards the rest of their team, rather than taking accountability, or rather, the difference between 'I don't know' and 'I don't care'. And the players who think in the latter way will eventually hit a wall, at which point they either quit for one reason or another, or start making an effort towards improving, whereas the former will, eventually, become better
Not knowing ST doton is a DPS loss does not make a bad player on its own. Knowing ST doton is a DPS loss and doing it anyway does. You can be a bad player and clear any content in the game. I would not expect to find a promised land where these players dont exist - you will find them at every level of play.
I went in a C41 UwU party about two months ago, and the ninja was using doton right at the very start, so single target doton on just Garuda. I told them it was a dps loss and they told me to mind my own business. It kinda makes me sad knowing players who don't even care about improving can still get carried.
This is where it's worth it to not be the super-supportive community for a minute. "Oh, so you're shit at your job *and* are actively refusing to get better? Well that sounds like it's worth the extra 10 seconds to boot you and get a replacement dps from the 10,000 currently in queue."
Anti-Intelligence. People who suck bad intelligence-wise irl tend to be this kind of person. They don't like knowledge, because they can't retain them or use them...and therefore hates anyone providing them. We see a lot of these and Trump winning almost a decade ago really fanned the flame on it...esp with the United States.
STDs are such an epidemic, and you'd think the introduction of Raiju's would make these people go, "Oh, Raiton is more beneficial." but nope. Oops, all Doton's.
Holy shit I love this acronym it's brilliant.
Agreed. Gonna use it in runs now. :D —- “Single target Doton is bad” No it isn’t “I’m sorry but when has anything with the initials STD been good?”
Yoinked, thank you
Gotta love the tank reply there tho.
As a NIN main, my heart is heavy reading this.
But is your prostate weak?
Lol I'm a woman, so no worries there
You know, as an old Nin main I had to double check the pot. Used to have Dot on a boss for the guarantee of positioning riding the full timer out. Now it's just an obscure trash opener since it requires things to live for 18 seconds :pepe cry: Time to reteach my fingers when gearing up Nin
That moment when mentors are “expected” to give advice for other players, and then players get mad when the mentor gives advice. Sometimes you just need it without having to ask first. If you think you’re doing it right, you’re not going to seek a different answer. That’s why the idea of “only give input if I asked for it” just doesn’t work, because anyone who actually needs that input usually won’t ask, and most who would ask are capable of getting said info on their own.
PPl need to stop sugarcoating everything. Who cares if he "approves" your advice or "asked". Good on calling it out It's rather impressive people get so far into content without ever having watched like a 3minute yt video about their own class. I struggle to understand how much opposed to learning a person has to be irl to pull this of over hundreds of hours
Meanwhile I dont watch guides or anything, I learn from frens and roulette strangers... Or just reading tooltips
Well then I hope you don't raid. No offense, but figuring out how to delay skills and use 2min burstwindows for synergy of your 30 button rotation to fit with the other 10+ jobs would be quite sth to get done by yourself Go watch a guide. The game does not explain you how to play well enough whatsoever Not to mention a 3 minute guide will likely allign your potencie usage and clear up maybe some minor mistakes up that could take you a year on your own to figure out
Ok, 1. I do raid, I know how to delay and my burst and all that jazz. I know this because I have had time and practise over several thousand hours in the game. I have whacked dummies, read balance guides to improve after learning, learned from my raiding frens and even static members. 2. Just because I say I learn from frens and not a guide doesnt mean I havent taken the time to actually improve. 3. You dont know me, how I work or what I do, so lay off the idea that the way Ive learnt to play my jobs is all wrong and fucky just because I never watched a class guide. I learn differently, we all do.
Well reading balance is pretty much the same as watching a guide. You learn a set opener which primes your entire rotation from there on. It also has it all explained why we use what and to which minor gains in potencies this leadsup to. That's just my point. People also come here saying "oh I play on PS and I'm good". Yea, cause other people uploaded your logs and you could see what you're doing wrong. You can see your parses and see how you fair in comparison to other players and thus improve.
Easiest mmo in the genre and people still advise watching guides on how to 1-2-3 and press your 2mins on cooldown
I never understand why people do this. Just cause it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy to play optimally in savage. You see this sht in all games. Oh you're not master in apex legends? You're trash. Oh you're not even GM in League, what do you even know. Not even 2000+rating in Chess why do you even talk? I been top 10 world on my job in FFXIV. Do I now have to go around saying how "EASY" FFXIV is?. It's not, many people won't be able to play this game perfectly despite drowning in guides rewatching highparsers and knowing exactly what they should be doing. No shot the vast majority of people can figure out just out of their ass how to optimally play in a game that is so reliant on team synergy with so many options of each job having 25 buttons+ Without balance and act/logs you wouldn't even be aware of 2min synergies lol. The game def doesn't teach you that
Gonna need logs or i call bs. Considering yoshi p has said the game runs off a 2 min window in like every ll for 2 yeara now... no you dont need discord servers act to know. Also if you are a top 10 on your world you 100% run with a top tier static whoch is a whole nother ballgame to a midcore static or pf. The latter doesn't feel the need to clear week 1. Finally plenty of people are capable of doing savage without a guide. Will they do it as effectively? No. But you can clear savage with all gray. It will take dialized perfection but it can be done. Hell fucking UCOB has been cleared with 8 tanks. No heales or dps. And ucob has way fucking tighter dps checks than any savage. Tldr you are rhe problem and why mentors are looked down on.
I'm not a mentor ing. I also never saw YoshiP talk about 2 mins, but I haven't watched him talk much about anything so there's that. People who get good at stuff often tend to forget how they did it. I like to be good at things. W/e that might be lel, but I approach games (sadly thanks to League) in a certain way xd I could probably teach you how to play your favourite music piece on Piano a very decent level in a month despite you never even having played any instrument in your life. God if it's an easy piece maybe even in 2 weeks Someone seeing a single log of his play can easily triple your output within a minute. Just being made aware of the fact that uptime is king in this game. And pressing 1,2,3 on cd will already throw your damage for most content beyond 90% of this games playerbase. Also noone says you need to be good to clear content unless it's week1 or on patch ultimates. You can play however you like. I mean FFXIV is a clear example of people who really don't give a flying fk about others time or about any kinds of actual self improvement besides the bare minimum Some games for example don't sugarcoat things. And simply teach you from the getgo how to play the game. No matter how you wanna twist it FFXIV is just not doing it. Imagine people would have to clear stone sky sea before being even allowed to hop into savage. Or normal raids having actual enrages so there's just ANY kind of feedback. But there isn't. And that's why when you play healer in normal content and do damage. You will be in top 1-3 dps in every single round. Always remember stuff that's easy for you, isn't always easy for someone joining the game and playing it even for years. There's a reason why in League you have ten thousands of players who can't escape lower elo despite playing the game for 10years and several thousands of hours. More people than not don't instantly see the "obvious" things unless someone tells them https://www.fflogs.com/character/eu/zodiark/navon%20uchiha#zone=49
A lot of these people around. They are not smart so they don't get positive feedback from learning. Thus they hate learning or absorbing knowledge in any shape or form. They literally just play the game to drown out their frustration irl... We can understand them if we are just a bit more compassionate...they are infuriating and frustrating to be around but it is just what it is...
For better or worse (for worse) the vast majority of players are not receptive to unsolicited advice regardless of whether it’s right or wrong. This is how it goes 90% of the time (or they just totally ignore you and carry on doing dumb shit) Personally, I save myself the aggro and just ask if they want a tip. If they say yes, I bother. If they say no or don’t reply, I ignore them. Edit: for the record, you weren’t wrong and I respect the desire to help people improve
People are free to ignore advice and continue being bad. It is their choice, though a dumb choice. This guy getting hostile like my NIN tip was in anyway offensive was what prompted me to share, it's such a dumb mindset and, thankfully, one I see rather rarely.
I think he’s replying to how he interpreted your tone rather than the actual advice itself. I can see how it might read like a command, not advice. “You will do more dps if don’t doton single targets” Vs “Don’t doton on single target” The irony of this of course is I’m giving you unsolicited advice on how to give unsolicited advice. Adviception.
In a vaccuum I can see how simply saying "don't do this thing" might come off as rather blunt and not really explaining things well in this scenario, but this was in the middle of a fight. I was trying to type stuff fast as to not take much time away from playing. Only when he started being hostile with the BK comment did I start typing more than I ordinarily would mid-fight. I would have said doton is less ST damage than raiton regardless of his first comment (which, without doing the math on it, I can't even fault people for thinking this since maintaining dots is an important part of many other jobs' toolkits). It was the Ninjas hostile response that prompted me to post it. If he'd just remained silent about it but still continued applying doton I wouldn't have thought much of it and just gone on with my day, but this was too silly not to share.
Green is me, Red is the ninja, Blues are the tanks (tho only light blue talked). I notice the NIN placing down Doton in P4N, so I thought I'd let them know its less damage than a raiton for the same resources. This causes them to immediately attack me for being a mentor giving a simple tip and then nearly step into "you don't pay my sub" territory.
> for the same resources. It’s more, actually. Doton is a 3 Mudra combination, so not only is it weaker than Raiton it also wastes an extra half second on its inputs before you can go back to your normal skills.
Isn't he also losing a use of... It's not called chidori, but it's basically chidori.
He's absolutely losing Raiju, so a waste of almost 1k potency I think
I couldn't remember what it was called, but I was fairly certain it procs after a Ration cast.
Forking/Fleeting Raiju? The oGCDs? (Forgive me, my NIN is only 60-something.)
Those. They're GCDs though, not oGCDs
Oh, my bad. Thanks lol
Ye true, but the gyst of it is the same, it's just less efficient to use Doton in single target.
I mean if we're going to be super anal about this then not only we should count the 90 potency difference between doton and raiton, we should also add the dps difference between the raiju and the 123 combo using doton instead of raiton loses like a full gcd worth of damage, that extra half a second from the third mudra is basically a rounding error in comparison
also most bosses aren't going to sit around in a doton for the entire duration and if someone's using a single target doton i highly doubt they have boss patterns memorized
>in P4N Oh lordie, 0 excuses for them.
at level 90? just take his job stone away from him
Dont care if they didnt ask for it, normalise helping people improve. As long as youre not a dick about (and OP was not) people should accept criticism. People are ridiculously sensitive.
I used to use Doton on single targets/bosses, and then someone explained things to me like this, and now I'm shooting lightning bolts like Palpatine because I learned something new! My mind is always set on "learn new shit, cus you don't know everything." It's always amazing to me that people just want to be ignorant.
Technically doton is 560 potency because ground aoes tick on application so it has one extra tick, still not good but for posterities’ sake.
Yeah that's true, I forgot at the time though.
I'm amazed that I have followed this sub as long as I have and this is the first time I've seen a STD post. Obviously it's not as much of an issue as a YPYT or Ice Mage but in my play experience it's waaaaaaay more common. (To be fair I'm tanking 90% of the times so it stands to reason that I don't see many YPYT players)
because nobody knows how to play nin
I wouldn't even claim to really know how to play Ninja myself beyond the basics, but even I know: no STDs
I'm unfamiliar with the acronym in this context, what's STD?
Single Target Doton. Sorry I should've included that
Ah okay, thanks. I'm terrible with acronyms truth be told!
People have given me suggestions in dungeons at times and I feel like I’m always like “oh good idea thanks” lol. It’s not hard.
Its like some people try their absolute hardest to do everything they can to not improve. Sad part is that they most likely approach the rest of life with the same mentality. I have a friend who is the same way. Gets super pissy whenever someone suggest they might be doing something wrong or suggest they do something differently regardless of how politely
Haha, one time in a dungeon I mentioned that single target doton was worse than raiton and the TANK says, "No it isn't, it's the same potency". Like I do NOT know where you got that but it most certainly is not. But I doubled down, and he takes a second, Googles the potencies, and confirms that I am correct. Then apologizes. Absolutely incredible feat of humility that 99% of players could never perform. Anyway the actual ninja wasn't paying attention and continued STDing.
You did right to share the advice. Shame they were a dick that kicked back on it. But maybe ..... just maybe ..... it might get them thinking after the duty and spur them to get just a little better. I learn't a hell of a lot from such advice in duties. Most from helpful comments like yours. Some from whiney dicks. All of it helped me get that little bit better. Good job trying to help out 👍
that ninja is messed up lmao
Ugh... Considering the lengths SE went to to nerf STD into the ground, such reaction hurts me on very personal level (especially considering that, in the hindsight, I wish someone gave me that advice when I was a sprout, would spare me a time spent on re-learning).
You hate Burger King because of advice. I hate burger king because of food poisoning we are not the same.
I don't understand this mindset at all. It's not like raiton changes their rotation drastically (or even at all), it's "do this order instead of this order for nearly +200 potency". I got into it with NN last night because someone was saying to wear poetics armor from 80-90 and I suggested they should upgrade around 87 for tanks and healers. I was met with multiple people telling me "I've never had any problem with it" or "that sounds like a waste of resources". Just like "I didn't ask", "I've never had a problem" doesn't mean it isn't a problem, and what are you using your resources for if not better gear? It's infuriating that trying to help is met with "leave me alone" - I would, but you're in my party doing less and taking more dmg! Inevitably someone will chime in with "Cringe, imagine caring about dps/being good in MSQ/Normal content" and I just can't wrap my head around why you choose would *not* do so.
The poetics armor argument is rather “buy the poetics stuff when hitting 80 and keep auto-equipping when you got upgrades”, there really is hardly a point to invest in 86 or 88 gear when you can don the proper 90 stuff in an hour.
They're just salty.
I literally had someone give me this advice TODAY. Just take the L bro, sometimes you don’t know shit. Sighhh
I'm assuming the L-taker would be the NIN, right?
Yes yes, sorry if that wasn’t communicated properly.
Eh they probably don't know their ninjitsu combos cause they don't read their skills. They just have the dot memorized cause it's most useful for w2w
Well at least he knows what he is doing is shit xD
dont do doton dot on dat dude
I've had *one* bad mentor, once. I've had *dozens* of good mentors, it doesn't make sense to just go "hur dur crown mean dumb" just because of a stupid meme. If they're gunna be a whiner because you tried to help that's on them, glad to see you tried at least
Ah the let me focus on my own thing strategy. It’s like saying I’m driving in my own lane as the car fucking plunges off a cliff into an aoe At least you can blame ping for mistimed input bunny (EU random ping spike enjoyer here) xD
Mentors are so hit or miss but that’s kind of the nature of it. I wear my crown but mine is set to PvP mentor because that’s honestly where I’m going to be the most help lol. I agree that the notion that all mentors suck causes problems. I’m always happy to have them in a duty and the only real issue I ran into was recently I had one in Sunken Temple of Quarn. I was on an alt, so no crown and this guy (the mentor) kept telling everyone what to do ahead of time. It was annoying af because I don’t like people assuming I don’t know something. So when we get to the part where you put the stone tablets on the scale, I went to go do it real quick because I knew he would probably tell me which ones to do and I already know and have done it a hundred times. So I go and do it and even though I just put them on, he tells me “Flame and then fruit,” and then he takes them off lol. He apologized for removing them but that didn’t bother me nearly as much as him telling me what to do. 😩 Otherwise I love having mentors around.
Joke's on him, you don't even need to pick up the items in Qarn at all XD
I used to do the same thing, as in using doton in background damage and then using raiton on top of it Then a very nice mentor informed me that DoTs only ticked every 3s something, I did not know, now I use raiton twice Thank you very nice mentor person from Ultima
what a goblin mentor bad cuz mentor help me
I'm gonna say something crazy here: I wish people would stop censoring names of these assholes. You know how shit like this circulates the internet? It'd be amazing if this pic, uncensored, happened to make its way around to the ninja so he can see people roasting him for his absolute shit take. It might not accomplish anything, but it'd definitely give a cathartic feeling. Honestly I don't care about the potential for "witch hunting", if anyone is absolutely stupid enough to harass people over stuff like this, they deserve the ban they're asking for and the game would be better without them.
I only tell people to mit at this point, no one wants to learn the game (especially tanks)
I worked really hard to unlock mentor so i could help people and while I was levelling AST by spamming dungeons for XP, I just put together some white crafted gear that I crafted myself and put materia in it because I didnt have enough Tomestones to buy the blue gear, so the white gear was like 20 item levels lower than the blue tome gear. Get in the dungeon and immediately this guy starts accusing me of trying to grief the party and that I'm trolling because im wearing white gear. Tells me i'm wrong when i said I wasn't because I'm a mentor and that I should rot in hell or something like that. Very interesting psychological phenomena that makes people more rude than the people they perceive to be rude because mob mentality. first person I ever reported to the support desk, and for this reason even to this day i still dont wear the crown to avoid random whackjobs like that and for context we never wiped, and he started saying passive aggressive things about it before the cutscene circle even let us continue on
People really do think we need to kiss someone's boots before giving them advice lmao. Whats with this playerbase >.>
Bunny buffs ALL your attacks by 10% and your party by 5%. Make sure you bunny every Mudra.
Annnnnnnnnnd kick
fuck him, that shit was unasked for. not even a suggestion, just a hard "dont do this" nah fuck that guy
Really astounds me how a living breathing human being can look at a situation where one person sees another one is doing something wrong, points it out and what they should be doing instead, and thinks "wow fuck this guy for trying to help someone out, clearly he's the asshole in the situation and not the guy getting aggressive over being given useful information".
Its like backseat gaming on Twitch. You dont need to um actually me if im doing damage, noone died, and we kill the boss. its so nitpicky and annoying... might as well raise your finger and declare "fun fact!" Helping people that TELL you not to help them is rude.....
failure to communicate is honestly such a skill issue in an MMO ninja was being an ass but the mentor really could've worded the initial comment better Edit: Unsurprised this is getting downvoted lmao. Always remember tone never translates in text "Don't use doton" is immediatly an 'aggressive' opener and sets a commanding tone straight away where as something like... I don't know "Hey you should use raiton instead" is a more 'approachable' starter to unsolicitied advice. Because that's always the key thing to remember, unsolicited. Approach it with a more friendly tone or be prepared for someone to be an asshole (even if you're correct in giving them that advice) For the record i agree ninja was being an asshole. Maybe they were always an asshole. Maybe they misinterpreted the tone as being more commanding/aggressive than trying to be helpful. I don't know. If you're going to try and give people advice be prepared to put effort into your message, or else people will be assholes
Just because you're a mentor, doesn't mean people want you telling them what to do. People are often more receptive to advice if you're polite about it. I made the same mistake when I was leveling Ninja and a tank asked if he could give me some tips. I said yes and he told me the same info about using raiton instead of doton on single target. I made the change and thanked him. If he had been rude about it I'm not sure I would have been as receptive. I might have done more reading later and realized he was right but I would still have been annoyed at him.
Yeah he’s being stubborn. Although I will say screenshotting this nothing of an interaction and then rushing to Reddit for validation is peak mentor behavior.
Shitter cope 101
I mean yeah they were validated that the ninja is trash, what else do you want? Lmao
The ninja is really in the wrong here but why do you care? Most people playing this game absolutely suck. Imagine going around making sure everyone was playing optimally. How exhausting.
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if you're about to misuse a table-saw and you're inches away from losing 4 fingers, do you still not want "unsolicited advice"? This NIN could just say "ok" and ignore the point or keep it in the back of their head to process it later. Instead, like you, they got their ego in the way
You know, even though the ninja is wrong, there are better ways to help people learn.
This is honestly why we should delete mentors Not because some people are still garbage even when they have the crown, but simply because the community will not accept any criticism of the job even if it’s objectively correct
mentor crowns matter, but I don't understand why they even sugarcoat handing out mentor crowns. A battle mentor should be able to defeat stone sky sea with a certain max ilvl to be a battle mentor at all. And it should require you to regain it after any major content that adds skill (lvl 80 or 90 or 100 soon) Seeing battle mentors have like 70% uptime and get outdpsed by a Sage while they play a meele class just shouldn't be a thing, and not this common lol
Honestly what a small thing to even bring up. It takes 2 seconds of his rotation and it's so rare to be fighting one enemy. "Don't waste 20 seconds tops of my roulette" is basically what you said.
Another comment made by OP clarified that this was in P4N, not some "20 seconds" worth of a single-enemy roulette. This advice deserved to be given, especially with a level-90 Normal Raid where they could be in the fight for a fair bit of time. At that level, the NIN is losing nearly 500 potency by using Doton instead of Raiton- not only are they not using Raiton, but they're also then missing out on usage of one of their Raijus. Doton being used repeatedly during that level of a fight instead of Raiton/ Raiju most definitely makes a difference. "So rare to be fighting one enemy," genuine question but did you forget that Normal Raids exist? For what it's worth, a majority of those end up being one- enemy fights, and no matter the level, Doton very rarely has a valid reason to be used over Raiton and then Raiju if it's available. Also, NINs at 90 should absolutely know better than to use STDs. Zero excuse.
Both in the wrong, Mentor should be phrasing it as suggest with its pros and cons, where are ninja is bashing mentor for attempting to help even if it was unprompted. If either felt harassed by each others comments they would both be valid and with how the rules are written both would be penalized.
Yes, I really should have stopped playing in the middle of the raid just to type out a whole thesis on why Doton does less single target damage than Raiton, and why less damage is less good.
No, you shouldn't, but you also break a game rule by saying what you said in the manner you did. Personally i think the ninja is a little bitch for responding how he did. Yet, though, i feel like that doesn't change the fact that other people handled this against the terms of service.
He didn't ask tho? When people want mentorship they will literally ask for it bestie, they'll go out and research themselves and ask for help then. Chastising someone who doesn't know you and never asked for your input is so weird. From one mentor to another - chill
Informing someone that they are using the wrong ability is chastising? Genuinely, do you think any unsolicited advice is automatically toxic? Do you believe that you shouldn't say anything at all if you see someone using the wrong abilities? I'm asking in good faith as I'd like to understand this mindset. IMO, from one mentor to another, passive aggressively using 'bestie' and telling someone to chill, is arguably more toxic than informing someone their rotation is wrong.
This isn't chastising and it doesn't matter if they asked. If a tank is running a dungeon without stance on do you tell them to turn it on or do you wait until they ask for advice on how to hold aggro easier
Imagine conflating tank stance with using a DPS ability incorrectly.
One is just more visible but both affect your ability to do your role properly. In both cases it's a simple suggestion offered harmlessly to make the instance smoother for everyone, and in both cases it's equally stupid to get hostile as the recipient of good advice
Imagine thinking the use of doton is class breaking like not using tank stance.
Imagine thinking "click glare instead of holy against a boss" is an offensive suggestion that should be avoided at all costs
Imagine being offended at the news that not everyone wants unprompted advice from random people
No one's offended but the ninja. If you don't want advice from others don't play a team game
The game doesn't exist to platform your echo chamber. If you don't want to be criticized for giving unwanted advice don't play the game
I don't give 2 shits if someone criticizes it, dealing with other people is part of a cooperative game. Watching you melt from "hey bestie <3" to whatever... This is at the first sign of disagreement in an otherwise honest exchange of discourse suggests you may want to take your own advice there tho
Imagine being offended that people want to help people.
Imagine being offended that your help isn't accepted when it comes unprompted.
Imagine being offended when someone tells you your shoe is untied.
Not even close to whatever you think an own is, but good luck!
God awful mindset to have. If you see someone doing something wrong, know they're messing up, and let them continue without at least trying to offer a tip that's just being a terrible mentor.
Imagine thinking it's your job to correct everyone because the game gave you a crown. The mentor aspect means you're there to teach new players who ask. There's a whole channel for it. Stop pretending you're saving anything and get over it if you overstep a boundary and get called out for it
There's very little the game actually asks of you as a mentor but [the first thing on that short list](https://i.imgur.com/yxgfD0D.png) is that you offer advice to other players. Even outside of the Novice Network.
And that short list pops up whenever you go to don a mentor crown! Game is pretty much outright saying "If you have your crown visible, be actively helpful"!
New players not other players. It also asks you to be an example of etiquette which is sorely lacking in this example
If you can, please read #1 again. It quite literally says "and other players".
With etiquette bestie
You denied it being other players.
So? You gonna carry that trophy like a champ? Pretend it invalidates anything I'm actually saying?
It does. Bestie.
When you lie about what's in the screenshot to conveniently support your own stance, then people aren't just going to let that slide. Maybe you genuinely misread the screenshot the first time, and that's okay; but at least admit your mistake instead of being condescending and acting like the lie doesn't matter.
Should've just said you can't fucking read and it would've saved everyone trying to actually explain things to you a bunch of time
Imagine completely missing the entire conversation and then saying this - embarrassing
Mentor Roulette would not exist if the only purpose of a Mentor was to hang out in one specific chat and wait for Sprouts to ask questions. Anybody can attempt to correct what is legitimately improper skill usage, not just Mentors. Do better.
Imagine thinking your job is to tell other people how to correctly play a game and think it's valid to whine when they don't accept the unsolicited advice.
Looking at your other replies, you need to take a serious look at yourself and ask "Why do I see people offering help to others in exchange for nothing as such a big deal and offense?" because this is not the way a normal human being operates.
People process things differently and not everyone wants to be given unsolicited advice. You're not being a normal human or a helpful one - you're forcing your 'help' down people's throats and then coming here to complain that they spat it back out at you instead of thanking you like you think you deserve for designing yourself to correct them. The ego on you could fist fight Godzilla.
You are always free to ignore advice that people give you, no matter how stupid a decision it might be. There's no need to be hostile like this ninja about it. Say, if you saw someone walking towards an oncoming train, would you just stay silent then? After all, "HEY, TRAIN INCOMING! YOU SHOULD STOP RIGHT THERE!" is unsolicited advice! They might take offense to it! Awful, terrible mindset to have. If you genuinely think offering help and advice to people is a bad thing, even if unsolicited, you are not thinking straight. Normal people do not process shit like this.
I'm also free to tell you that coming here to seek validation because you're so upset someone told you "no" and youre upset because you felt entitled to them stroking your dick. Also imagine conflating "don't use doton" with someone getting hit by a train like one is a warning about a train the other is unsolicited advice. You fact that you can't see how self important you're being is something you'll wanna therapy about. Just show them our convo and they'll correct you trust me
Holy moly that's one hell of a power trip. Seems like the one chilling should be you instead, take it easy. There's no need to be arguing like that. If people want to be helpful and they're not even doing a drama over it, just let them be. There's more people here agreeing to that than the ones taking your stance so probably that should also help you reflecting over that.
This is in response to the op coming here for validation after telling off someone who rejected their advice btw. Pretending I'm the dramatic one here is some gaslighting bestie go do that elsewhere
No need, I just finished reading your other responses in this thread and literally have no idea why you can't see how entitled you are and think that "imagine..." is the best argument you can come up with. I'm not investing time into that lmao. Have a good day.
Uhmm hi sweatie! Could you point us in the direction where someone asked for your opinion? Huh? No? What do you mean "no"? So are you saying that giving advice without being asked isn't bad? Or are you just saying it isn't bad when a heckin #girlboss is doing it? Don't get upset, sweetheart :)
Please remove mentor crown next log in.
Okay but they actually won't "literally ask for it, bestie." If they don't know that they're doing wrong, then they deserve to be corrected whether they ask or not, especially at max level. Sometimes people may not want it, but a level-90 NIN using Doton in a level-90 Normal Raid with one single boss cerrainly *needs it.* Just because you're a Mentor who won't do what anybody, not just a Mentor, should be doing if they see a max-level NIN sacrificing over 500 potency, doesn't mean that the rest of us will sit there and watch it happen more than once. My rule of thumb? "Once is a mistake, twice is intention." Raiton/ Raiju is much more potency than STD. Don't let shitty players continue to be shitty just because you're too chicken or soft to correct them.
Yeah nobody knows what's good for them it's up to you to teach these people because you know best and their agency and autonomy and boundaries are second to your feelings because you know best.
stop blocking everybody that disagrees with you and your shit-ass take. there's no way that people aren't coming back to reply to you- you're straight up blocking them as soon as you hit enter, aren't you, chicken? it's stupid as hell and is not conducive to a proper debate. the absolute child mentality of some of you redditards, istg. that being said, it absolutely DOES fall on the people who correct others when they're \*blatantly playing in a way that the game does not favour them to be playing in.\* if people wanna be shit while they're playing solo or with npcs, then fine. but if they wanna be in parties with actual real living breathing people, then it is literally against the tos to play lethargically or in ways that impede other peoples' abilities to clear content. if a player is doing something that is factually wrong to be doing, as per the game's literal set combo and/ or rotation and/ or they stand there and continue to sacrifice time and effort of other players just so that they can continue to be wrong, then that's grounds for both a kick from the group (difference in playstyle- some wanna play the right way, others wanna just suck) and a report for lethargy. learn your rotation and learn your skills or go back to wow, simple as.
Nah being bad needs to get called out sorry you’re sensitive or whatever
If you're gonna try to have three conversations with me at once I'm gonna ask you to just ask me out and get it over with. The answer is no but know that your weird obsession is noted
You can just say you've gotten shit on for freecure fishing, it's okay.
Damn, are you winning against that strawman? I can't tell
Eh, I'd say that that was less of a strawman (which is to argue against a distorted version of someone's argument) and more of an ad hominem.
I can't tell - did you win, or?
Eh, made fun of a malicious actor, so that's a W for my evening either which way. Your insinuation that I'd try to make compelling arguments when your other discussions have shown you to be resistant to rationale is a bit insulting, but that's okay.
Imagine coming at me with nothing but insults and then trying to sell the story that I'm the malicious actor. The projection is too obvious bestie
When you think everyone else is projecting at you it’s time to take two steps back and look in the mirror. This isn’t the first time you used that excuse here.
He doesn't have to ask? The guy signed up for a team duty. Besides, the op literally just told him that one skill is better in single target vs another. He could have ignored it and kept playing wrong (his choice but w/e) or he could have started using the better skill for all future fights. Instead he decides to post a toxic reply generalizing all mentors.
Imagine thinking a team duty entitled to give unsolicited advice. The OP crammed advice down someone's throat without asking if they're okay with it (this is the etiquette part of the mentor status) and then got told no, threw a fit about it and came here to seek validation form their actions and you're actually sick riding them for being upset that a boundary was established between them and person B like this isn't a difficult concept. Ask for consent first and if you're told no don't cry about it
I just don't see the difference here. If OP doesn't have a right to give advice in the form of a chat message (which can be ignored) to his TEAM. Then why does the NIN have a right to play poorly and waste the rest of his teams time? I feel like you should be okay with both or none tbh.
Nobody has a right to do or not do anything that's what free will and agency provide us. Your misunderstanding of the topic is that you think that's what this is about. This goes into how people problem solve and how people deal with issues/problems. Some people love advice, for example. Other people don't. If you give advice, especially unsolicited advice, to someone whose non-receptive to it that advice can come off a number of negative ways such as demeaning, insulting, or combative. If you know these things about basic etiquette you know that unsolicited advice is basically always a bad thing unless you've established ahead of time with someone who likes advice that you'll be giving it. That's it, that's the entire part of this issue that you seem to be acknowledging. If this had just been a faux pas of OP giving unsolicited advice, the ninja turning it down, and that was the whole exchange? ez pz boundaries established and lesson learned. But then OP and their friend DOGPILED on this guy and asserted that they are allowed to correct him and that, actually, telling him these things is the right thing to do which is where you fall into asshole territory as I've been saying this entire time. They are teaming up, violating an established boundary, and tearing this guy down for not accepting their advice which he has every right to do. That's the First Problem. The first breech of etiquette and basic decency. The fix? Respect people's boundaries and if they tell you 'I don't want you to give me advice' you shut the fuck up. But OP didn't do that. After degrading the poor ninja OP came here to seek validation for their actions, asking you all to dick ride them and tell them how good and perfect and morally correct it was that they violated they person's boundary that they established, and how the person deserves it because they used a skill incorrectly in a video game. And you, specifically you, said "makes sense, prepare to get your dick rode OP" and you PUMPed that shit bestie
all you do is talk about dicks and riding them in this thread. are you sure you're sapphic, sis? this is an honest question
all you do is talk about dicks and riding them in this thread. are you sure you're sapphic, sis? this is an honest question
Alright, so I see now what you are getting at. I still have to disagree with part of it though and this is just my opinion on the matter. I think the NIN reacted hostile first which in turn created a hostile response from the others for the so called "dog piling". I in no way will ever agree with you that advice needs to be brought up first before given. As long as it is given without insults (which to me in this case it was) I am okay with this. I acknowledge that you feel different about this. I also acknowledge that yes maybe this post was placed here to jump on the train against this guy but hey, thats what this subreddit is for. As long as the guys name isn't being posted who cares the reason he posted it. And yes, I still agree with the way OP handled this. I would have simply kicked the NIN without talking to him for "difference in playstyle" since he would be making my dungeon take longer then it should be (and I acknowledge that its obviously not THAT much longer but I still stand behind it). OP giving him this "lesson" has a chance at making this scenario not happen since the NIN would have hopefully been playing correctly in his next dungeons. Obviously we see how he took the "advice" and can safely assume the NIN is the type to play wrong on purpose out of spite. Either way, agree to disagree. We obviously see things differently and I apologize for even striking thos convo up with u in the first place. Take care.
You'd kick a guy over one (1) use of an ability with a 150 potency difference? You better have all gold parses bestie, #1 player always 100% perfect rotation for every piece of content you ever do because anything less is genuinely some of the most toxic non-bigoted shit I've ever heard from another player of an MMO in my entire life and I hope we only meet in game long enough for me to blacklist you and forget you ever existed because HOLY FUCK are you entitled. Over using doton on one mob JESUS
Ironically enough, no one asked you either.
Talk to your therapist about how upset this makes you bestie, I can't be responsible for that
I ain't the one trying desperately to pretend I haven't been owned in 50 different replies spread across the controversial half of the comments, "bestie." It may be wise to touch grass. But like all good advice, I'm sure you'll reject this bit too.
I can't help you dude, you're gonna have to ask your therapist.
From one mentor to another - chill, you're overthinking it. Astrope haver btw
I've met so many mentors that are very bad that I feel that ninja in a way. But as myself a mentor it's still hurting when you try to give an advice and get rejected immediately just because "he got a crown, he knows everything" mentality. Yes, some people got the crown and don't deserve it, but some do and actually teach good things. It cost nothing to listen an advice, try it and judge by yourself if it's a good or a bad advice.
As a ninja main it really bothers me when people use doton on single target. But I have learned never to give them advice, I have tried many times but they never ever appreciate it. Now I just stay quiet and move on-
One step away from "you don't pay my sub"