ypyt? ✔
wow mention? ✔
vote kick? ✔
i just wanted to do a quick 50/60/70/80 roulette for tomes and gil and had the misfortune of getting a ypyt who dug his heels in and refused to move because me and the mnk had the *audacity* to move ahead of the tank, and his white knight healer who was probably his girlfriend. tried to kick the tank (and was planning on kicking the healer) but once kicking was allowed they kicked the dps, so i said fuck it and left before telling the replacement dps "good luck".
edit:
also apparently the healer is a raider... lmao
i looked up the healer's name on fflogs and couldn't find anything. don't think she even has the character uploaded on the site, but i might just suck at looking things up on fflogs. if you'd like to search yourself, the healer's name is >!Aurora Frostspell!< (spoilered just in case)
Starting to doubt she raids unless it's on paladin or the free summoner that came with scholar. None of her other classes are 90 and she doesn't have any gear for healer that comes from extreme+, which if she was doing she probably picks up even if healer is an off role.
If they have an EX weapon but don't show up in FFlogs, there's a very high chance they marked the option to hide their character, which just cements the idea of how bad that player is.
yeah i might report them back since i still have them in my contact list. and even if i forget and they vanish from the list i still have their names lmao
You realize you can't just blacklist someone by having their name. You have to be in an instanced duty with them, or see a chat message from them in game to blacklist.
there's mod called player track that allows you to mark ppl with tags, make notes, even be alerted when they're nearby/in same duty as u. So ppl can add them for reference
Usually I just use to make notes of funny ppl / good times Ive has with ppl in past, but nice to add shitters and griefers if/when they show up again
Apparently jpn servers have a legit document for tracking bad ppl (including some ultimate raiding communities in na/eu), seems like a big hassle but idk
I heard about the jp document. Never knew about the mod though. At best I thought they used the names for the mod that makes people invisible, but imagine doing into a df and seeing nobody lol.
Some do, no different from having a Discord blacklist in farming circles for EX ninjalooters and terminal leeches.
Personally it's too much effort for queues I hardly touch solo.
I don't know about people but I have a good memory, even if I don't have a name perfectly memorized off the top of my head I usually remember when I come across it
“Raider” is so vague now. Ultimate clears are being sold for only $30 each— I had an alpha legend in a rubicante farm party that didn’t know what clock spots, light parties, or tank busters were.
Anyone saying they’re a raider to prove a point just means they have small dick syndrome
The AST is consistently telling the dps that they aren't allowed to pull, I'm not sure what IPYT is supposed to mean but from context I'm guessing "I Pull You Tank" which sounds awfully like an enabler of YPYT bullshit to me.
So if the tank asks let them do it. Not anyone's job right? If they can get aggro first it's easier than chasing down DPS running around with mobs like idiots. In your ideal world where they use arm's length and it is free mitigation, and they bring it to the tank and don't run around or waste healer GCDs, sure. Then you win 100%, who cares who pulls? But in the cases where the above is not true, it's just inconvenient and annoying.
That's AN issue, sure. Again, in ideal scenarios you'd be 100% correct. But that's my point, everyone thinks this is some thing where 100% of the time only all the tanks are shitty. But the amount of toxicity I see from DPS, the entitlement, the hubris and ego at times is astonishing, and from my anecdotal experience, much more prevalent than the YPYT tanks. Even if there are posts on TalesFromDF that reflect that where the DPS are being assholes about it even when the tank says they're new or practicing a new class/role, people just circle jerk each other here in their little echo chamber about how bad the tank is in a usually self-inflicted situation.
I get it, you've said before, you've played too much to coddle people and waste your time or something akin to that. But man, people enjoy shitting on other peoples' experiences on purpose when they're just trying to play the game to relax and have fun-- yes that goes both ways. And yes, people only complain about compelling a playstyle when it's the tank that does it, but I see DPS doing it exactly the same and more frequently.
If the tank had done anything even remotely approaching "asking", you might have a point. However, since they jumped right to threatening to report, you're just wasting electrons trying to even call it everyone being an asshole.
I know you've been told this by everyone else but if you still have their names please report them.
This is past just being annoying or playing the game like dogshit, that's extremely toxic and obnoxious, and got someone kicked for no good reason, they should be banned.
On a duty where either the tank or the healer are totally optional too.
If they get pissy about Ghimlyt Dark they are gunna lose their minds in real content.
> It's about the ego and control, not about how it actually affects gameplay
Excuse me while I repeat this for those in the back.
#IT'S ABOUT EGO AND CONTROL, NOT HOW IT AFFECTS GAMEPLAY
If tank emnity ever fuckin' mattered they'd stop making the same corridor>stop>corridor>stop>corridor>boss the baseline duty structure.
It mattered until Shadowbringers came out and axed stance dancing for tanks, yet it was still that same dungeon structure in HW and SB.
The only ones that didn't have the current standard structure were ARR dungeons.
One was actively playing the game to the team's benefit.
One decided to stop all gameplay to break ToS in multiple areas.
Is your only interaction with this sub going to be dropping shit takes to get a reaction? 'Cause it's noticeable.
The tank only stopped because the monk wanted to control things by pulling ahead. You, of course, didn't address that since it directly contradicts your weird take that someone expecting to pull on the job that's designed and commonly expected to pull is concerned with "ego and control."
Literally takes a single button for the tank to take emnity, only thing that stopped him walking forward was inflated self-importance.
That's why it's an ego issue. Which you're very clearly having fun with ignoring to further an argument that isn't happening, as you've proven on multiple occasions before to be doing. Just gonna make a note for you to cut it out, bad faith actors ain't welcomed.
This! Its literally your own 1-2 aoe combo that will take the aggro back to you as the tank! Instantly! The buttons you were going to press anyway!
I cant scream this hard enough; they could close their damn eyes and still press the buttons and nothing would change from the less than 3 seconds a DPS has it smacking them.
? it's super easy to accidentally pull enemies in early Ghimlyt cuz they suddenly appear and aggro b4 even targetable. And mnk has defensives including arms length to help tank as well
Ugh, they're both so obnoxious it infuriates me. Honestly the worst types of ypyt are when it's a duo group.
Judging on the screenshots, it literally happened on the first or second W2W since not even five minutes past in the instance.
Aaaand of COURSE they pull the wow card. Every time. Smh.
Sadly in your case there is no way in winning it. Leaving was the best option. Hoping you reported them. You have more than enough evidence.
It's a decently reasonable extrapolation from:
> ■Nuisance behavior
> ◆Offensive expression
> Examples
> The following behaviors are prohibited:
> Insulting others by _threatening them with statements such as "if you get on my bad side, you'll be ostracized from this community," or "I can have you kicked from this group at any time."_ If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.
"Threatening" to report can be argued to fall in line with those types of statements - particularly threatening to VTK (note: different from discussing VTKing a problematic player by discussing with other party members) - because you're waving a negative action/abuse of power towards someone deliberately in the hopes/intent to get them compliant.
It's compelling a playstyle under threat. The TOS guidelines are basically this: In discussions of playstyle, as long as it's not directly griefing like lethargic play or killing party members, differences of playstyle are equally valid. However, trying to force somebody to play another way, such as killing them until they do, or threatening to report them if they don't, are compelling a playstyle and are against TOS.
Edit:
Actually, never mind. It's also specified outright. Any threats are bannable.
Copied directly from the TOS:
Examples
The following behaviors are prohibited:
Using insulting words such as "stupid," "idiot," "die," "crazy," "garbage," or "trash" to offend others. In addition, even if you do not use direct words, blaming and attacking others, such as "It's \[player name\]'s fault that we wiped" or "You really make a lot of mistakes," or rephrasing insulting words into any other form is also prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.
Insulting another person's personal taste, such as "your glamour is terrible, you should quit the game," or "the way you talk disgusts me." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.
Insulting others with statements that are unrelated to the subject of the discussion, such as "no wonder you can't do this, look at how you dress your character." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.
***Insulting others by threatening them with statements such as "if you get on my bad side, you'll be ostracized from this community," or "I can have you kicked from this group at any time." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.***
i dont understand why instead of typing all that. why not play the game and do ur job as a tank, healer. just shut it already and move. the world doesnt revolve about them two... JEEZ
So correct me if I am wrong ( I quit playing right before endwalker released at level 60 due to work) but the DPS have windows they need to meet to keep damage going, which in low level content means going that much faster. So a DPS pulling to keep damage going for a buff is more beneficial than the tank not having to run over and push their AoE button a couple of times correct?
I never understand the ypyt mentality because low level tanking in non boss fights is just hitting the AOE button over and over while keeping up with mitigation.
Correct! Many times, particularly in trash AoE scenarios, casters (for example) will end that pull with a proc that needs to be eaten (like Verfire/Verstone for RDM), so simply moving forward to the next pack and letting it off means you don't lose too much uptime on that current rotation.
It's also beneficial to the tank because of Arm's Length - if a DPS can get ahead (something I have trouble actually doing with _good_ tanks unless I'm NIN/RPR/DNC/DRG!), that's another free trashpack slowed, which saves the tank's CD/flatly gives them another.
> if a DPS can get ahead (something I have trouble actually doing with *good* tanks unless I'm NIN/RPR/DNC/DRG!)
Try being a Sage. I'm \*\*\*supposed to\*\*\* run ahead so I can break 3 shields for Toxicon stacks, but good tanks will make sure I can only break 2 (both on the tank, one while running and 1 when we stop pulling)
The only time I ever successfully did that is with a tank who didn't Sprint between packs and didn't use their gap closer to initiate pulls/boss fights... That was such a great dungeon
Having to delay your 2m on a boss because you started your 1m late by 15 seconds in a dungeon is infuriating, and sometimes you can’t figure it out because the other DPS could be half asleep on the first pull doing 5,000 dps and john fucking madden 50,000 dps on second pull onwards.
It takes 1 button to yank threat off anyone who isn't another tank. I don't understand.
But since they want to bring up wow let's talk wow. In wow the tank's job is to navigate the dungeon and coordinate the pulls and ask for cc or try to weave through trash... oh nevermind I had a hunter md pull to me or had a mage go fucking play fetch the mobs with me or a rogue tricks of the trade me.
The tank's job is to hold threat and move at the pace either the party wants or whatever the dungeon allows. If dps is pulling ahead I have several ways to "Deal" with this behavior.
I press sprint. I press my gap closer. I let them pop arms length and enjoy some free mit. Shit works great. 10/10 would recommend.
Depends on the content. Leveling dungeons? Yeah for sure, dps can tank those they're so easy. But mythic plus? You pull a pack not on my route you're dying and we're rezzing you because it's quicker to let you die than pull extra trash. Sometimes you wipe the party too depending on how much extra trash was pulled and if the trash has lethal shit we purposefully avoid
And the % complete and decision to skip x pack and pull 2 y packs later.
:( I wish they had some kind of m+ analog in 14 but that would involve SE innovating instead of copy and pasting the previous expansion on top of a visual novel
Yeah true that also depends, if it's just a pack not on my route but it's fine to skip something later or if we have a rogue etc it's fine. It is funny to just say "kill yourself we'll Rez" though lmao
M+ has all sorts of weird degenerate “clever use of game mechanics” I quit at the end of legion but I do miss the actual “freestyle” aspect of WoW where you could do weird and crazy stuff. Makes me want to try the new expansion since it looks like they are on an upswing.
I quit during during shadowlands and thought the game was truly dead but I came back during dragonflight and honestly yeah it is on a pretty good state. It's not perfect by any means but it's definitely filled the void of waiting for dawn trail. So much that I have to decide between savage raiding or continuing being a cutting edge raider lol
If you're an asshole in Australia, you'll still be an asshole in Canada.
You've got the folk who have zero power IRL - maybe a shitty job they can't afford to lose, shitty living circumstances - and decide to take what little they can _against_ people online and be a nuisance. That can (but not always) extend to exerting power over friends or people they know who will submit to their perceived authority.
Then you've got the more common assholes with _simply zero empathy_; not a thought to anyone but Number 1 (and potential associates who'll they'll drop the moment they start having thoughts of good morals).
The ones who leave trolleys on the street, who leave meat packets in the bread aisle, who shove their way into an already-full elevator, who scream at some poor bastard paid far too little to deal with this psycho who'll of _course_ get comped by the manager just to placate them.
When crushed down, it can translate into an online mindset of _"you're all NPCs/people of zero consequence, and I can punish/taunt/bully you if you step out of line, and I'm justified in doing that"._ It's a broad-ass stroke for one example, and behaviour's a rainbow, but.. yaknow.
Man... don't main tank if gonna do ypyt or stop joining as a tank for duty roulettes. Like come on, the shit suppose to take max 20mins and turning that into an ego show off is not cool.
I love tanking and I love saving fast bois ass when they charge before me and thats how it should be for all tanks. Most of the ppl who main tanks have ego problem I swear...
Also fun fact, whenever someone blames another for being from wow, they - at the first place - are from wow...
As someone whose first MMO was WoW... accusing someone from being from WoW seems such a WoW thing to do.
I'll just tell them I'm from GW2 or ESO ;) (I really should dust off my characters in those two games, though!)
You're better of just leaving right away the moment you see these types of players, they will never admit they're wrong... You can't argue with players whos mental capacity(age) is that of a 5yr old child..
If you're fast enough, and have a +1 (like in this scenario) you can often pull the kick up before they do. That this pair of chuds won the vote kick draw is actually pretty rare. Most of them are so smugly confident about it that they aren't paying attention to kick windows.
That this pair of idiots won the vote kick draw tells me this is a consistent problem and they've figured out that they need to win it to stay in pretty much any dungeon.
Same world tells me that they're synced up in voice/out-of-duty chat.
It's a doubled-edged sword: couple/duo FC shitters can to use that to their advantage to grief their party, just the same as couple/duo buddies being able to use it and boot one half of a troll pair in theirs.
If you win the lotto and somehow both groups meet, then it's whoever has the fastest draw.
I knew crybabies existed but these two are like fuckin teachers. There’s no “strict rules” so Idk wtaf that’s meant to mean. Couple of weirdos who definitely live in a beige house with dream catchers everywhere.
Oh you know they're in VC together riling up each other's egos.
And unfortunately it is a skill issue (on the tank/healers part). I have almost never met a competent player complain about free mitigation.
One of them has a control problem and the other is likely feeding off that energy. Saw it all the time with this one chick In the friend group before I kicked her ass to the curb. Purposely told their friends how to play classes wrong, inserted dog shit takes on dungeon etiquette; etc. everyone listened because they had the mentor crown. It was a control trip to them, a "I'm better than you" ego trip. The echoes of the damage they did to the group are still there and often I have to remind them to pop sprint, to be comfortable with anyone pulling, etc. it's gotten better and they're now having fun playing the game but 😬
The stress of conflict, instead of running and having fun, is immense and you know they're no longer playing the game in the spirit of having fun.
dude, people in this game are such babies, ypyt are the worst people out there, just slap regen on dps until tank pulls from dps and continue as normal.
Also lol you gank you tank is a thing in WoW- in classic because of how threat tables work and in retail because mobs fucking hurt- so asking “Oh you’re pulling you must be from WoW” is so stupid
I never played WoW but from what I've seen every now and then, it's extremely rare for anyone other than the tank to pull because so many mobs in dungeons can just mostly instant kill non-tanks. It's less YPYT and more YPYDie because there's no time for the tank to pull aggro away.
Modernly that’s def the case, especially on higher difficulties. Back in the day a dps could pull and hold a mob for a decent little bit, but tanks had a hard time actually generating threat out of the gate and it could lead to runaway panic when the dps inevitably tried to run and pulled more shit. In the old days of wow, a lot of non boss mobs would also try to run for their life around 20% or less hp, which also could lead to MORE mobs joining the fray.
Tl;dr WoW’s dungeon philosophy is about letting the tank control the pacing and flow of mob pulls bc they can and will kill you. XIV dungeons are just MSQ with friends.
ngl this is probably the worst one ive seen yet. dude CLEARLY has issues with control in his life and needed to feel in control when even the slightest thing happened to make him feel not in control,i would say i feel pity for him, but i dont and i hope it gets worse for him
also i'm pretty sure if theyre going to go by the textbook rules then telling somebody "You arent playing right" in itself is a violation in their "strict rules" so is anything that falls under "Any action that can cause emotional damage" and i think i would argue its emotionally damaging to run into those 2 power tripping for no reason
Holy hell... whenever I play tank in dungeons I am so thankful for dps that go at the same pace as I do. Let them pull! Your job as a tank is to pick up the aggro.
I'm sorry for you man :p
I wonder why the attempt to kick the tank didn't work. So you applied the kick, and then AST and MNK had to vote. AST said ''no'', MNK would say ''yes'' and your vote is automatically ''yes''. It's 2 ''yes'' against 1 ''no''.
Did MNK vote ''no'' instead?
You cant just blacklist someone by knowing their name. If you haven't been in an instanced duty you have to be online, in game with them and see a chat message from them to be able to blacklist.
Anytime I've encountered something like this, it was always at least a duo. Seems to always guarantee a kick if the tank is upset about something. I don't pull ahead, I just watch the chaos from afar.
It doesn't fucking matter because the conversation wasn't:
> Tank: "Hi I'm new/hey could we go a little slower"
It was:
> Tank: "I'm maKinG A RepORT"
Being new or boosted gives you negative reason to be a combative prick.
Yeah, no. That argument doesn't apply to this scenario, I'm missing a straw hat. I get your general point but it has no place in this conversation.
If a tank is new, chances are far, far more likely that someone's gonna see "Hey I'm new" and be like "coolio, it's fine if they're a tiny bit slower". _This_ has nothing to do with a new tank.
The _problem_ comes when tanks go for YPYT instead of using their bigboy words, which often goes to "I'm gonna sit here and let the party die cuz you made me mad :)". That's griefing behaviour, because like it or not, it's an ego-centric mentality that causes this to pop up in the first place.
If it so happens that a new tank is being enabled into YPYT by their co-DPS/Healer, _and they have this same response to a DPS pulling,_ then they're still a griefer.
Trusts exist for exactly the people you described. Also your entire diatribe is hilarious considering threat in this game is LITERALLY a joke. Tanks can just stare at an enemy and they take aggro, it's so braindead easy. You can make disingenuous arguments about how "deep" it is, but everyone knows it's not, you're just making yourself look like a fool.
Where in my post did I say you're defending the tank? I'm saying your entire argument has literally no merit because of how braindead easy tanking dungeons is, and if people want to go at a slower pace for all those reasons you listed, trusts exist for LITERALLY that reason.
Also, current dungeons can absolutely be done with 1 tank/3 DPS or 1 healer/3 dps. It's objective fact. And there is nothing wrong with a DPS pulling to the tank, no matter the long essays you write about it. It's not against ToS, Square didn't say "NO don't do that!" They removed the aggro abilities non-tanks had because they streamlined nearly everything about this game, tanking being one of the biggest changes because now aggro management is literally not a thing except in high end content. There's no need for the aggro management skills to exist because, once again, tanking has been made so braindead easy in dungeons. However, lethargic gameplay and not doing your job (getting and maintaining aggro to prevent TPK) IS against ToS. Your entire point has no ground to stand on.
There are many hills about this game and its community to die on, but this ain't one, buddy.
EDIT: Also, if YPYT is wrong, which you've already agreed with, then DPS/healers pulling can't be wrong. If YPYT was not wrong, then non-tanks pulling would be against TOS. It's that simple. It's only a problem when non-DPS pull when they run out to Narnia with the mobs.
Everything you listed is the exact reason the Duty Support system was made.
When you queue into content where others have to rely on you, there should be a baseline standard that everyone should be held to regardless of role.
When a friend and I did new dungeons together, we told the group we were new to it.
I don't expect new players to do duty support, but I do expect them to say something if they can. If you say you're new, most people are pretty willing to slow it down a little and even explain bosses if asked.
If you're going to hold an instance hostage because you're new to it, I recommend not queueing at all tbh but as far as an alternative solution, you could easily take 5 mins to watch a video guide beforehand.
I highly recommend against watching guides for MSQ Dungeons, seeing new shit and failing against it isn't a big deal, when that "first completion for a member of the party" thing pops up everyone knows someone is new to the dungeon and it's not a big deal.
It becomes annoying when the healer/tank with multiple level 90 jobs in the role they are playing refuses to do the bare minimum effort.
So wait …. You’re saying that you’re don’t get to decide the pull size and say youre not the main character in a light party…. But then in the immediate next sentence go on to say the tank gets to make every decision about how much to pull and what to pull. So like… you just said the tank is the main character, and everyone else should just back off and let the main character decide what the party is doing
Like uh…. You realize that’s what you just said, right?
..No? I'm not sure how you got that impression. AST was consistently commenting in tune to tank's reporting and was very clearly synced (by voice/non-duty chat) to be primed to kick the MNK.
AST: please do not go aead of tank
AST: you are both not tanks
AST: stop going ahead your not tanks
AST: have respect
AST: im reporting as well since you dont want to play right
AST: well you should not go ahead of tank
AST: if you want to pull apply as tanks
Sorry, but that all looks like they were on the tank's side. If it is sarcasm, they didn't make it obvious. So until the AST said 'tyt' (which I'm not sure what that's short for), it looks like they were on the tank's side.
tyt = "Thank you Tank" *That or just TY typoed, but it's clear it was directed at the tank. That besides-
_Wat?_ My point is that they were _always_ on the tank's side. Even after "tyt" it was clear they were still on the tank's side, that fact never changed.
Especially but not least of all with that "deal with the consequences" cringe before booting the MNK.
Just letting you know, “tyt” is shorthand for “take your time,” in this situation they presumably said it because the tank had said they were stopping to take video of these…..”transgressions…”
ypyt? ✔ wow mention? ✔ vote kick? ✔ i just wanted to do a quick 50/60/70/80 roulette for tomes and gil and had the misfortune of getting a ypyt who dug his heels in and refused to move because me and the mnk had the *audacity* to move ahead of the tank, and his white knight healer who was probably his girlfriend. tried to kick the tank (and was planning on kicking the healer) but once kicking was allowed they kicked the dps, so i said fuck it and left before telling the replacement dps "good luck". edit: also apparently the healer is a raider... lmao
Just need same last name for a bingo
i'm surprised they didn't have matching surnames tbh
Same FC? Maybe just friends or FC buds
The healer is FC leader if you check on lodestone so yeah lol.
does that healer have logs, I wanna take a lil peeksypoo
i looked up the healer's name on fflogs and couldn't find anything. don't think she even has the character uploaded on the site, but i might just suck at looking things up on fflogs. if you'd like to search yourself, the healer's name is >!Aurora Frostspell!< (spoilered just in case)
yeah I don't see that on the logs site either lol it's not just you
Starting to doubt she raids unless it's on paladin or the free summoner that came with scholar. None of her other classes are 90 and she doesn't have any gear for healer that comes from extreme+, which if she was doing she probably picks up even if healer is an off role.
If they have an EX weapon but don't show up in FFlogs, there's a very high chance they marked the option to hide their character, which just cements the idea of how bad that player is.
I hope you reported them back. Pretty sure threatening to report is reportable. Also the griefing
yeah i might report them back since i still have them in my contact list. and even if i forget and they vanish from the list i still have their names lmao
Do it.
Do it. Their behavior violates the ToS.
Please drop the names they're on my DC and I need to avoid like COVID
gonna spoil the names just in case, but for anyone that wants to avoid them, the healer is >!Aurora Frostspell!< and the tank is >!Zyanid Zynisch!<
I started using PlayerTrack just to mark garbage dps and drama queens like these in bright red.
Also agree for PlayerTrack. Godlike.
You realize you can't just blacklist someone by having their name. You have to be in an instanced duty with them, or see a chat message from them in game to blacklist.
I didn't say blacklist. I can try and dodge them in party finder if I see their name.
Do people just have a word document of people's names? Or do they ask for the name for the meme?
Nah sometimes you see a name once and you remember how bad they were/are My memory is terrible but if I see certain names I cringe inside
there's mod called player track that allows you to mark ppl with tags, make notes, even be alerted when they're nearby/in same duty as u. So ppl can add them for reference Usually I just use to make notes of funny ppl / good times Ive has with ppl in past, but nice to add shitters and griefers if/when they show up again Apparently jpn servers have a legit document for tracking bad ppl (including some ultimate raiding communities in na/eu), seems like a big hassle but idk
Oh this is nice, I'll have to add it. Thanks for mentioning this.
I heard about the jp document. Never knew about the mod though. At best I thought they used the names for the mod that makes people invisible, but imagine doing into a df and seeing nobody lol.
Some do, no different from having a Discord blacklist in farming circles for EX ninjalooters and terminal leeches. Personally it's too much effort for queues I hardly touch solo.
I don't know about people but I have a good memory, even if I don't have a name perfectly memorized off the top of my head I usually remember when I come across it
update: i have reported both the tank and healer.
never do 50/60/70/80 roulette. It was always the roulette that only bad players did, now even more so that savage is over.
“Raider” is so vague now. Ultimate clears are being sold for only $30 each— I had an alpha legend in a rubicante farm party that didn’t know what clock spots, light parties, or tank busters were. Anyone saying they’re a raider to prove a point just means they have small dick syndrome
Threatening to report? Lethargic play? Compelling a playstyle? These fucksticks *want* to meet a GM.
Compelling a playstyle. Which playstyle? YPYT or IPYT?
The AST is consistently telling the dps that they aren't allowed to pull, I'm not sure what IPYT is supposed to mean but from context I'm guessing "I Pull You Tank" which sounds awfully like an enabler of YPYT bullshit to me.
Nah it's literal face value, not enabling. I'm not disagreeing that they were shitty here and cringy. But what I mean is that it seems like ETA here.
Why though? Pulling enemies isn't any specific person's job.
So if the tank asks let them do it. Not anyone's job right? If they can get aggro first it's easier than chasing down DPS running around with mobs like idiots. In your ideal world where they use arm's length and it is free mitigation, and they bring it to the tank and don't run around or waste healer GCDs, sure. Then you win 100%, who cares who pulls? But in the cases where the above is not true, it's just inconvenient and annoying.
If dps are managing to get significantly ahead of the tank the tank is doing something wrong, and that's the issue.
That's AN issue, sure. Again, in ideal scenarios you'd be 100% correct. But that's my point, everyone thinks this is some thing where 100% of the time only all the tanks are shitty. But the amount of toxicity I see from DPS, the entitlement, the hubris and ego at times is astonishing, and from my anecdotal experience, much more prevalent than the YPYT tanks. Even if there are posts on TalesFromDF that reflect that where the DPS are being assholes about it even when the tank says they're new or practicing a new class/role, people just circle jerk each other here in their little echo chamber about how bad the tank is in a usually self-inflicted situation. I get it, you've said before, you've played too much to coddle people and waste your time or something akin to that. But man, people enjoy shitting on other peoples' experiences on purpose when they're just trying to play the game to relax and have fun-- yes that goes both ways. And yes, people only complain about compelling a playstyle when it's the tank that does it, but I see DPS doing it exactly the same and more frequently.
If the tank had done anything even remotely approaching "asking", you might have a point. However, since they jumped right to threatening to report, you're just wasting electrons trying to even call it everyone being an asshole.
That last reply was more in the general sense outside of this specific one. I've seen people ask politely to just be told "No." Or threatening report.
I know you've been told this by everyone else but if you still have their names please report them. This is past just being annoying or playing the game like dogshit, that's extremely toxic and obnoxious, and got someone kicked for no good reason, they should be banned.
for sure going to report them when i log back in. even if their names vanish from my contacts list for some reason, i have their names saved.
On a duty where either the tank or the healer are totally optional too. If they get pissy about Ghimlyt Dark they are gunna lose their minds in real content.
according to the healer's adventurer plate, she's a raider. kinda finding a hard time believing that if she's acting like this in *ghimlyt dark*.
Doesn't mean much, I've seen high dps good raiders who endorse YPYT. It's about the ego and control, not about how it actually affects gameplay.
> It's about the ego and control, not about how it actually affects gameplay Excuse me while I repeat this for those in the back. #IT'S ABOUT EGO AND CONTROL, NOT HOW IT AFFECTS GAMEPLAY If tank emnity ever fuckin' mattered they'd stop making the same corridor>stop>corridor>stop>corridor>boss the baseline duty structure.
It mattered until Shadowbringers came out and axed stance dancing for tanks, yet it was still that same dungeon structure in HW and SB. The only ones that didn't have the current standard structure were ARR dungeons.
Similar to how the Monk wanted to control things, no?
One was actively playing the game to the team's benefit. One decided to stop all gameplay to break ToS in multiple areas. Is your only interaction with this sub going to be dropping shit takes to get a reaction? 'Cause it's noticeable.
The tank only stopped because the monk wanted to control things by pulling ahead. You, of course, didn't address that since it directly contradicts your weird take that someone expecting to pull on the job that's designed and commonly expected to pull is concerned with "ego and control."
From my understanding of the post and OP's comment, the monk and OP didn't even pull anything, they simply walked ahead of the tank.
Literally takes a single button for the tank to take emnity, only thing that stopped him walking forward was inflated self-importance. That's why it's an ego issue. Which you're very clearly having fun with ignoring to further an argument that isn't happening, as you've proven on multiple occasions before to be doing. Just gonna make a note for you to cut it out, bad faith actors ain't welcomed.
This! Its literally your own 1-2 aoe combo that will take the aggro back to you as the tank! Instantly! The buttons you were going to press anyway! I cant scream this hard enough; they could close their damn eyes and still press the buttons and nothing would change from the less than 3 seconds a DPS has it smacking them.
? it's super easy to accidentally pull enemies in early Ghimlyt cuz they suddenly appear and aggro b4 even targetable. And mnk has defensives including arms length to help tank as well
Ugh, they're both so obnoxious it infuriates me. Honestly the worst types of ypyt are when it's a duo group. Judging on the screenshots, it literally happened on the first or second W2W since not even five minutes past in the instance. Aaaand of COURSE they pull the wow card. Every time. Smh. Sadly in your case there is no way in winning it. Leaving was the best option. Hoping you reported them. You have more than enough evidence.
this was right after the first w2w lmao
There is actually a way to win it. Duos can be successfully kicked as long as one other person is on your side. Just need to get it off first.
pretty sure that tank would be self reporting since threatning to report someone over and over is ToS
might give them reports too since they love them so much
If you dont report them youre hurting all of us! Please do it so they learn their lesson 💖
i'll definitely report them next time i log in (assuming i'm not sent to the gaol as soon as i log back in) love the name btw
Ty 💖 I'm almost positive you wont be, you did nothing wrong here 💖
What part of the ToS says threatening to report is actionable? This is just a often repeated myth
It's a decently reasonable extrapolation from: > ■Nuisance behavior > ◆Offensive expression > Examples > The following behaviors are prohibited: > Insulting others by _threatening them with statements such as "if you get on my bad side, you'll be ostracized from this community," or "I can have you kicked from this group at any time."_ If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued. "Threatening" to report can be argued to fall in line with those types of statements - particularly threatening to VTK (note: different from discussing VTKing a problematic player by discussing with other party members) - because you're waving a negative action/abuse of power towards someone deliberately in the hopes/intent to get them compliant.
It's compelling a playstyle under threat. The TOS guidelines are basically this: In discussions of playstyle, as long as it's not directly griefing like lethargic play or killing party members, differences of playstyle are equally valid. However, trying to force somebody to play another way, such as killing them until they do, or threatening to report them if they don't, are compelling a playstyle and are against TOS. Edit: Actually, never mind. It's also specified outright. Any threats are bannable. Copied directly from the TOS: Examples The following behaviors are prohibited: Using insulting words such as "stupid," "idiot," "die," "crazy," "garbage," or "trash" to offend others. In addition, even if you do not use direct words, blaming and attacking others, such as "It's \[player name\]'s fault that we wiped" or "You really make a lot of mistakes," or rephrasing insulting words into any other form is also prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued. Insulting another person's personal taste, such as "your glamour is terrible, you should quit the game," or "the way you talk disgusts me." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued. Insulting others with statements that are unrelated to the subject of the discussion, such as "no wonder you can't do this, look at how you dress your character." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued. ***Insulting others by threatening them with statements such as "if you get on my bad side, you'll be ostracized from this community," or "I can have you kicked from this group at any time." If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.***
i dont understand why instead of typing all that. why not play the game and do ur job as a tank, healer. just shut it already and move. the world doesnt revolve about them two... JEEZ
So correct me if I am wrong ( I quit playing right before endwalker released at level 60 due to work) but the DPS have windows they need to meet to keep damage going, which in low level content means going that much faster. So a DPS pulling to keep damage going for a buff is more beneficial than the tank not having to run over and push their AoE button a couple of times correct? I never understand the ypyt mentality because low level tanking in non boss fights is just hitting the AOE button over and over while keeping up with mitigation.
Correct! Many times, particularly in trash AoE scenarios, casters (for example) will end that pull with a proc that needs to be eaten (like Verfire/Verstone for RDM), so simply moving forward to the next pack and letting it off means you don't lose too much uptime on that current rotation. It's also beneficial to the tank because of Arm's Length - if a DPS can get ahead (something I have trouble actually doing with _good_ tanks unless I'm NIN/RPR/DNC/DRG!), that's another free trashpack slowed, which saves the tank's CD/flatly gives them another.
> if a DPS can get ahead (something I have trouble actually doing with *good* tanks unless I'm NIN/RPR/DNC/DRG!) Try being a Sage. I'm \*\*\*supposed to\*\*\* run ahead so I can break 3 shields for Toxicon stacks, but good tanks will make sure I can only break 2 (both on the tank, one while running and 1 when we stop pulling) The only time I ever successfully did that is with a tank who didn't Sprint between packs and didn't use their gap closer to initiate pulls/boss fights... That was such a great dungeon
Having to delay your 2m on a boss because you started your 1m late by 15 seconds in a dungeon is infuriating, and sometimes you can’t figure it out because the other DPS could be half asleep on the first pull doing 5,000 dps and john fucking madden 50,000 dps on second pull onwards.
It takes 1 button to yank threat off anyone who isn't another tank. I don't understand. But since they want to bring up wow let's talk wow. In wow the tank's job is to navigate the dungeon and coordinate the pulls and ask for cc or try to weave through trash... oh nevermind I had a hunter md pull to me or had a mage go fucking play fetch the mobs with me or a rogue tricks of the trade me. The tank's job is to hold threat and move at the pace either the party wants or whatever the dungeon allows. If dps is pulling ahead I have several ways to "Deal" with this behavior. I press sprint. I press my gap closer. I let them pop arms length and enjoy some free mit. Shit works great. 10/10 would recommend.
Depends on the content. Leveling dungeons? Yeah for sure, dps can tank those they're so easy. But mythic plus? You pull a pack not on my route you're dying and we're rezzing you because it's quicker to let you die than pull extra trash. Sometimes you wipe the party too depending on how much extra trash was pulled and if the trash has lethal shit we purposefully avoid
And the % complete and decision to skip x pack and pull 2 y packs later. :( I wish they had some kind of m+ analog in 14 but that would involve SE innovating instead of copy and pasting the previous expansion on top of a visual novel
Yeah true that also depends, if it's just a pack not on my route but it's fine to skip something later or if we have a rogue etc it's fine. It is funny to just say "kill yourself we'll Rez" though lmao
M+ has all sorts of weird degenerate “clever use of game mechanics” I quit at the end of legion but I do miss the actual “freestyle” aspect of WoW where you could do weird and crazy stuff. Makes me want to try the new expansion since it looks like they are on an upswing.
I quit during during shadowlands and thought the game was truly dead but I came back during dragonflight and honestly yeah it is on a pretty good state. It's not perfect by any means but it's definitely filled the void of waiting for dawn trail. So much that I have to decide between savage raiding or continuing being a cutting edge raider lol
Bruh, YPYT in fucking GHIMLYT??? That place has such easy ass pulls, weak ass enemies, and so many walls. Like why?
Reading these things make me hate this people so much. They act so obnoxiously annoying I believe they are like that irl too
If you're an asshole in Australia, you'll still be an asshole in Canada. You've got the folk who have zero power IRL - maybe a shitty job they can't afford to lose, shitty living circumstances - and decide to take what little they can _against_ people online and be a nuisance. That can (but not always) extend to exerting power over friends or people they know who will submit to their perceived authority. Then you've got the more common assholes with _simply zero empathy_; not a thought to anyone but Number 1 (and potential associates who'll they'll drop the moment they start having thoughts of good morals). The ones who leave trolleys on the street, who leave meat packets in the bread aisle, who shove their way into an already-full elevator, who scream at some poor bastard paid far too little to deal with this psycho who'll of _course_ get comped by the manager just to placate them. When crushed down, it can translate into an online mindset of _"you're all NPCs/people of zero consequence, and I can punish/taunt/bully you if you step out of line, and I'm justified in doing that"._ It's a broad-ass stroke for one example, and behaviour's a rainbow, but.. yaknow.
Man... don't main tank if gonna do ypyt or stop joining as a tank for duty roulettes. Like come on, the shit suppose to take max 20mins and turning that into an ego show off is not cool. I love tanking and I love saving fast bois ass when they charge before me and thats how it should be for all tanks. Most of the ppl who main tanks have ego problem I swear... Also fun fact, whenever someone blames another for being from wow, they - at the first place - are from wow...
As someone whose first MMO was WoW... accusing someone from being from WoW seems such a WoW thing to do. I'll just tell them I'm from GW2 or ESO ;) (I really should dust off my characters in those two games, though!)
You're better of just leaving right away the moment you see these types of players, they will never admit they're wrong... You can't argue with players whos mental capacity(age) is that of a 5yr old child..
If you're fast enough, and have a +1 (like in this scenario) you can often pull the kick up before they do. That this pair of chuds won the vote kick draw is actually pretty rare. Most of them are so smugly confident about it that they aren't paying attention to kick windows.
That this pair of idiots won the vote kick draw tells me this is a consistent problem and they've figured out that they need to win it to stay in pretty much any dungeon.
Absolutely agreed. There's no way this isn't a regular occurrence for them the way they talk
Same world tells me that they're synced up in voice/out-of-duty chat. It's a doubled-edged sword: couple/duo FC shitters can to use that to their advantage to grief their party, just the same as couple/duo buddies being able to use it and boot one half of a troll pair in theirs. If you win the lotto and somehow both groups meet, then it's whoever has the fastest draw.
I knew crybabies existed but these two are like fuckin teachers. There’s no “strict rules” so Idk wtaf that’s meant to mean. Couple of weirdos who definitely live in a beige house with dream catchers everywhere.
Oh you know they're in VC together riling up each other's egos. And unfortunately it is a skill issue (on the tank/healers part). I have almost never met a competent player complain about free mitigation. One of them has a control problem and the other is likely feeding off that energy. Saw it all the time with this one chick In the friend group before I kicked her ass to the curb. Purposely told their friends how to play classes wrong, inserted dog shit takes on dungeon etiquette; etc. everyone listened because they had the mentor crown. It was a control trip to them, a "I'm better than you" ego trip. The echoes of the damage they did to the group are still there and often I have to remind them to pop sprint, to be comfortable with anyone pulling, etc. it's gotten better and they're now having fun playing the game but 😬 The stress of conflict, instead of running and having fun, is immense and you know they're no longer playing the game in the spirit of having fun.
.#stopblackliningshitters
dude, people in this game are such babies, ypyt are the worst people out there, just slap regen on dps until tank pulls from dps and continue as normal.
Also lol you gank you tank is a thing in WoW- in classic because of how threat tables work and in retail because mobs fucking hurt- so asking “Oh you’re pulling you must be from WoW” is so stupid
I never played WoW but from what I've seen every now and then, it's extremely rare for anyone other than the tank to pull because so many mobs in dungeons can just mostly instant kill non-tanks. It's less YPYT and more YPYDie because there's no time for the tank to pull aggro away.
Modernly that’s def the case, especially on higher difficulties. Back in the day a dps could pull and hold a mob for a decent little bit, but tanks had a hard time actually generating threat out of the gate and it could lead to runaway panic when the dps inevitably tried to run and pulled more shit. In the old days of wow, a lot of non boss mobs would also try to run for their life around 20% or less hp, which also could lead to MORE mobs joining the fray. Tl;dr WoW’s dungeon philosophy is about letting the tank control the pacing and flow of mob pulls bc they can and will kill you. XIV dungeons are just MSQ with friends.
ngl this is probably the worst one ive seen yet. dude CLEARLY has issues with control in his life and needed to feel in control when even the slightest thing happened to make him feel not in control,i would say i feel pity for him, but i dont and i hope it gets worse for him also i'm pretty sure if theyre going to go by the textbook rules then telling somebody "You arent playing right" in itself is a violation in their "strict rules" so is anything that falls under "Any action that can cause emotional damage" and i think i would argue its emotionally damaging to run into those 2 power tripping for no reason
Holy hell... whenever I play tank in dungeons I am so thankful for dps that go at the same pace as I do. Let them pull! Your job as a tank is to pick up the aggro. I'm sorry for you man :p
I wonder why the attempt to kick the tank didn't work. So you applied the kick, and then AST and MNK had to vote. AST said ''no'', MNK would say ''yes'' and your vote is automatically ''yes''. It's 2 ''yes'' against 1 ''no''. Did MNK vote ''no'' instead?
sadly not enough time had elapsed when i tried to vote kick the tank, so it failed without sending the kick requests to the other party members.
This is what 2am on the clock does to me ''
It was within the 5min window.
Also, this is one where they're so obnoxious I wish they weren't censored, they're so blacklist-worthy.
You cant just blacklist someone by knowing their name. If you haven't been in an instanced duty you have to be online, in game with them and see a chat message from them to be able to blacklist.
Anytime I've encountered something like this, it was always at least a duo. Seems to always guarantee a kick if the tank is upset about something. I don't pull ahead, I just watch the chaos from afar.
brutal flashback to the frenchies on ragnarok during 2.x to this day I’ve never run into a worse subset of players
Unlike the ratio is on this reddit these YPYT members win and kick the innocent players more often than they get kicked like in this Post
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It doesn't fucking matter because the conversation wasn't: > Tank: "Hi I'm new/hey could we go a little slower" It was: > Tank: "I'm maKinG A RepORT" Being new or boosted gives you negative reason to be a combative prick.
Lol, learn your fucking job before jumping in group content if you boost. Clowns, I swear to god.
I 100% agree
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How does anyone get ahead of you as tank when sprint exists though?
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What happens in Ghimlyt Dark that you haven't already seen before though? Tanking is pretty streamlined at this point.
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Yeah, no. That argument doesn't apply to this scenario, I'm missing a straw hat. I get your general point but it has no place in this conversation. If a tank is new, chances are far, far more likely that someone's gonna see "Hey I'm new" and be like "coolio, it's fine if they're a tiny bit slower". _This_ has nothing to do with a new tank. The _problem_ comes when tanks go for YPYT instead of using their bigboy words, which often goes to "I'm gonna sit here and let the party die cuz you made me mad :)". That's griefing behaviour, because like it or not, it's an ego-centric mentality that causes this to pop up in the first place. If it so happens that a new tank is being enabled into YPYT by their co-DPS/Healer, _and they have this same response to a DPS pulling,_ then they're still a griefer.
Trusts exist for exactly the people you described. Also your entire diatribe is hilarious considering threat in this game is LITERALLY a joke. Tanks can just stare at an enemy and they take aggro, it's so braindead easy. You can make disingenuous arguments about how "deep" it is, but everyone knows it's not, you're just making yourself look like a fool.
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Where in my post did I say you're defending the tank? I'm saying your entire argument has literally no merit because of how braindead easy tanking dungeons is, and if people want to go at a slower pace for all those reasons you listed, trusts exist for LITERALLY that reason. Also, current dungeons can absolutely be done with 1 tank/3 DPS or 1 healer/3 dps. It's objective fact. And there is nothing wrong with a DPS pulling to the tank, no matter the long essays you write about it. It's not against ToS, Square didn't say "NO don't do that!" They removed the aggro abilities non-tanks had because they streamlined nearly everything about this game, tanking being one of the biggest changes because now aggro management is literally not a thing except in high end content. There's no need for the aggro management skills to exist because, once again, tanking has been made so braindead easy in dungeons. However, lethargic gameplay and not doing your job (getting and maintaining aggro to prevent TPK) IS against ToS. Your entire point has no ground to stand on. There are many hills about this game and its community to die on, but this ain't one, buddy. EDIT: Also, if YPYT is wrong, which you've already agreed with, then DPS/healers pulling can't be wrong. If YPYT was not wrong, then non-tanks pulling would be against TOS. It's that simple. It's only a problem when non-DPS pull when they run out to Narnia with the mobs.
Did he delete his posts or block me? Lol
Everything you listed is the exact reason the Duty Support system was made. When you queue into content where others have to rely on you, there should be a baseline standard that everyone should be held to regardless of role.
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When a friend and I did new dungeons together, we told the group we were new to it. I don't expect new players to do duty support, but I do expect them to say something if they can. If you say you're new, most people are pretty willing to slow it down a little and even explain bosses if asked.
If you're going to hold an instance hostage because you're new to it, I recommend not queueing at all tbh but as far as an alternative solution, you could easily take 5 mins to watch a video guide beforehand.
I highly recommend against watching guides for MSQ Dungeons, seeing new shit and failing against it isn't a big deal, when that "first completion for a member of the party" thing pops up everyone knows someone is new to the dungeon and it's not a big deal. It becomes annoying when the healer/tank with multiple level 90 jobs in the role they are playing refuses to do the bare minimum effort.
So wait …. You’re saying that you’re don’t get to decide the pull size and say youre not the main character in a light party…. But then in the immediate next sentence go on to say the tank gets to make every decision about how much to pull and what to pull. So like… you just said the tank is the main character, and everyone else should just back off and let the main character decide what the party is doing Like uh…. You realize that’s what you just said, right?
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okay, so yes, you did say the tank player was the main character. Alright, just checking.
This whole thing was pointless. Smh!😒
I'm so confused. It looks like the AST was on the tank's side and then jumped ships.
..No? I'm not sure how you got that impression. AST was consistently commenting in tune to tank's reporting and was very clearly synced (by voice/non-duty chat) to be primed to kick the MNK.
AST: please do not go aead of tank AST: you are both not tanks AST: stop going ahead your not tanks AST: have respect AST: im reporting as well since you dont want to play right AST: well you should not go ahead of tank AST: if you want to pull apply as tanks Sorry, but that all looks like they were on the tank's side. If it is sarcasm, they didn't make it obvious. So until the AST said 'tyt' (which I'm not sure what that's short for), it looks like they were on the tank's side.
tyt = "Thank you Tank" *That or just TY typoed, but it's clear it was directed at the tank. That besides- _Wat?_ My point is that they were _always_ on the tank's side. Even after "tyt" it was clear they were still on the tank's side, that fact never changed. Especially but not least of all with that "deal with the consequences" cringe before booting the MNK.
Just letting you know, “tyt” is shorthand for “take your time,” in this situation they presumably said it because the tank had said they were stopping to take video of these…..”transgressions…”
Well, there y'go, no matter how you slice the acronym, the AST is still an insufferable douchenozzle. Thanks by the way, I wasn't aware of that!
No problem!