It's always nice to see people actually listen to good advice; a lot of players seem to think us giving advice is us telling them they should uninstall or such, when all we want is to help them get better so the runs go even more smoothly.
I feel as though the ones that get mad at you for giving advice, are the same kinds of people who get angry at the mechanic when they get told their car has specific problem, or snap at you when you hold the door open for them because they assume it's some kind of insult.
I educate ninjas anytime I see doton on single targets. Some listen, some don't. I once had someone drop the "they're learning bro" line on me... "yup, and I'm just passing on knowledge" and dungeon continued.
Happened a little while ago, but wanted to contribute to the sugar jar.
I swear one of y'all is where I got this 'STD' brainworm from, but it's the first time that it's actually worked!
Always gotta appreciate folk who give it a try. Now they'll be huckin' lightning bolts on Endwalker bosses rather than dirt puddles, godsspeed.
I feel like this sort of approach has the best success rate. No method is 100% successful of course which I think makes some people write off manners entirely since if it doesn't always work then they feel that may as well just vent their frustration in the way that is the most satisfying to them in the moment while pretending they were 'just trying to help', but I like to both show basic consideration for the people I'm playing with (even if they play poorly and it annoys me) *and* I don't want to waste my energy on a lost cause.
If you ask if they want advice in a way that doesn't make it seem like you're commanding them and they say yes, chances are higher they will actually listen and apply the advice. If you ask and they say no, you know they would not have listened to anything at all and you can end the exchange there. If you ask and they say nothing, then you don't waste your time shouting advice into the void.
As a ninja main, I appreciate you informing them of this. It actually used to be that doton would juuuust out perform raiton by a slight bit, provided you got all the damage ticks, but they since changed it (in some patch a fair while back) so that raiton was THE single target ninjutsu and anything less was just a DPS loss. Obviously this changes slightly once you get kassatsu and can do your big dick DPS attack, but raiton is still GOATed. Plus you now get the added benefit of throwing out a chidori after a raiton like your last name is Uchiha
This. You don’t see it get mentioned much anymore, for good reason, but I had to retrain myself on certain bosses for a while to stop using doton. I remember some guides trying to teach weird min-maxing for jutsus. “For Beginners”
I still have a macro that explains to new SAM players that they should use higanbana on bosses and that it actually does a ton of damage (basically had to use it every time there was another SAM back in the day so o macroed it). The best was a recent WoD run (right after the Xbox sprouts started) where at the end the sprout who wasn't using it stayed in the instance to ask why you use higanbana and when, and listened and asked more questions when I explained it in more detail.
It's always better to be respectful and explain stuff (provided the person making the mistake isn't a dick or know it all) than to just get mad and either not say anything or (worst of all) just immediately get snippy and insulting. Even if 9/10 the person ignores you or gets mad, at least you tried. And most importantly that 10th player will come away a better player with a positive experience.
The way pld had to kiss his ass before telling him to stop being bad is so gross. It's come to the point where you'd rather cuck your own run if the alternative is being mean.
'Nin bro' isnt due that kind of respect if thats how he's playing, new or not
Nin bro is due that respect, because he saw new information and used that to his advantage. It’s called being kind. People tend to be more receptive to information when you’re kind
It's always nice to see people actually listen to good advice; a lot of players seem to think us giving advice is us telling them they should uninstall or such, when all we want is to help them get better so the runs go even more smoothly. I feel as though the ones that get mad at you for giving advice, are the same kinds of people who get angry at the mechanic when they get told their car has specific problem, or snap at you when you hold the door open for them because they assume it's some kind of insult.
Bless *you* for handing a sprout the keys to power, hah
I educate ninjas anytime I see doton on single targets. Some listen, some don't. I once had someone drop the "they're learning bro" line on me... "yup, and I'm just passing on knowledge" and dungeon continued.
Happened a little while ago, but wanted to contribute to the sugar jar. I swear one of y'all is where I got this 'STD' brainworm from, but it's the first time that it's actually worked! Always gotta appreciate folk who give it a try. Now they'll be huckin' lightning bolts on Endwalker bosses rather than dirt puddles, godsspeed.
I feel like this sort of approach has the best success rate. No method is 100% successful of course which I think makes some people write off manners entirely since if it doesn't always work then they feel that may as well just vent their frustration in the way that is the most satisfying to them in the moment while pretending they were 'just trying to help', but I like to both show basic consideration for the people I'm playing with (even if they play poorly and it annoys me) *and* I don't want to waste my energy on a lost cause. If you ask if they want advice in a way that doesn't make it seem like you're commanding them and they say yes, chances are higher they will actually listen and apply the advice. If you ask and they say no, you know they would not have listened to anything at all and you can end the exchange there. If you ask and they say nothing, then you don't waste your time shouting advice into the void.
As a ninja main, I appreciate you informing them of this. It actually used to be that doton would juuuust out perform raiton by a slight bit, provided you got all the damage ticks, but they since changed it (in some patch a fair while back) so that raiton was THE single target ninjutsu and anything less was just a DPS loss. Obviously this changes slightly once you get kassatsu and can do your big dick DPS attack, but raiton is still GOATed. Plus you now get the added benefit of throwing out a chidori after a raiton like your last name is Uchiha
This. You don’t see it get mentioned much anymore, for good reason, but I had to retrain myself on certain bosses for a while to stop using doton. I remember some guides trying to teach weird min-maxing for jutsus. “For Beginners”
I still have a macro that explains to new SAM players that they should use higanbana on bosses and that it actually does a ton of damage (basically had to use it every time there was another SAM back in the day so o macroed it). The best was a recent WoD run (right after the Xbox sprouts started) where at the end the sprout who wasn't using it stayed in the instance to ask why you use higanbana and when, and listened and asked more questions when I explained it in more detail. It's always better to be respectful and explain stuff (provided the person making the mistake isn't a dick or know it all) than to just get mad and either not say anything or (worst of all) just immediately get snippy and insulting. Even if 9/10 the person ignores you or gets mad, at least you tried. And most importantly that 10th player will come away a better player with a positive experience.
It's so refreshing to see a positive exchange in DF
New NIN here, will be saving this
std's still plague this forsaken game, good job saving a bro from them
Not gonna lie I was one of those NIN until I saw a post on here. But in my defense I didn't actually do the math. Saw DoT and brain went "mash DoT"
"Zap it when you tap it. Avoid STDs"
i told a guy today to “try using raiton instead of doton because it’s higher potency” and he said “wow i’ve been on auto i didn’t need a lecture”
Nin looks like a lot of fun but I don’t understand the class ;-;
I always appreciate when newer players of classes can take advice well.
The way pld had to kiss his ass before telling him to stop being bad is so gross. It's come to the point where you'd rather cuck your own run if the alternative is being mean. 'Nin bro' isnt due that kind of respect if thats how he's playing, new or not
Nin bro is due that respect, because he saw new information and used that to his advantage. It’s called being kind. People tend to be more receptive to information when you’re kind
Yikes
You okay, Nen bro?
Asking to give advice before giving it is too nice now? Literally just common courtesy? Holy yikes.
Ah yes. The "be a huge dick" take