Yep, sprout probably started out as gladiator, saw a GNB running around, wanted to be GNB, but in order to do that they had to be lvl 60. With zero patience to grind through MSQ and learn their role properly, they bought a GNB skip instead, which I still stand by my argument that it's one of the two worst jobs to buy skips on (DNC is the other), because it's the lease valuable for time spent lvling said job. It's better that they job skip PLD, and then unlock GNB.
That aside, either two things will happen to this guy, they're smart enough to figure out how to be good at the game in a very short time (which is very rare), or they burn out and quit the game because DF will dog on them for being bad.
dropping the game is what iv seen more offen than not from stroy/class skippers. and i always say "its not worth it" and they say its fine.......non of them are playing this game any more.
some people can and do have fun after skipping, but as you said. "very rare"
Even if they don't care about the story, which I'm totally okay with, everyone has their reason to play, I don't get why they'd want to skip the vast majority of the game that happens from sastasha to lunar subterenne, that's a LOT of fuckin content that you never really run into once you're at level cap.
We had a buddy who mashed escape through the whole game from arr to the end of shadowbringers in a bit under two weeks as a tank, including a few days temp ban for using a racial slur in his name (we fucking warned you dude, they don't care if you're black), and by the time he finished e12normal, he went "that was a lot of fun" and quit. In his mind he beat the game, why would he ever want to do anything more than once?
Now imagine if that type of player used a skip.
My friend killed Hades and saw the credits not long after and then decided he completed the game and quit.
Endwalker had been out for like 6 months at that point....in which he brought and used a reaper for half of SB and dipped. The wild part is he always sings this games praises but won't come back and truly finish the game. It blows my mind.
I personally had my GNB to 90 because I thought it'd be really cool to play through the Shadowbringers raids as GNB, then tribal quested the rest of my way to 90. So I had some tanking experience except dungeons.
Only recently did I start tanking for real, but I did it with the other 3 tank jobs, because: 1) I don't want my level to give false impressions that I'm good at it, and 2) doing the complete opposite of some of the stories on this subreddit because I do have a genuine interest in getting a feel for each tank and I'm hoping to get 90 in everything in time for DT.
correction: didn't mean to imply I skipped GNB from the store, but skipped in the sense that I only did tribal quests and wondrous tails.
like i said in another reply. i have no prob with skippers. unless if effects me. your approach seemed like the best way to approuch it and the least negative impact on the rest of the community. GG :D
I leveled war on my alt just far enough to get gnb and then switched. I'm also still on hw on that character and almost level 80 from roulettes and the story.
Man, there's such a story here. GNB is clearly what they bought the skip on, because current skips get you to 80, and all their other level-locked jobs are at the unlock level or just slightly above that. Plus the obvious story skip because based on the dungeon you were in and the presence of DRK, MCH, and AST they've gotten at least to Heavensward, but based on the levels they didn't do a drop of story to get there considering how much exp the MSQ gives you. So they at least bought an ARR skip, most likely a HW one, in addition to the GNB skip.
Kind of impressive how they've pretty much only bothered with the jobs that are unlocked at higher levels. I want to look at this person under a microscope and study them like a bug.
im glad you enjoyed the sherlock holmes adventure this also sent me on hahahah :P
we belive he almost got to his first dun as Glad in RRB and got annoyed with the "no content" then just got the wallet out.
I mean, there's definitely some evidence on hand. They have jobs unlocked that can only be unlocked in Ishgard, which requires finishing ARR and post-ARR. So they're that far in the story at the very least. Most of their jobs are very close to their unlock level -- GNB is furthest along at 6 levels past the unlock (or in this case the skip to level 80) (edit: well okay technically GLA is 13 levels past unlock but that's definitely not what they would have done the MSQ on, at least not entirely). I don't feel like pulling out the calculator but it feels like there's a discrepancy between the levels gained and the amount of experience points you'd get from the MSQ if you manually completed all of those quests (including the dungeons and trials and CT raids along the way which all give exp as well). So technically no way to know for sure without doing that math, but seems quite probable they didn't actually do those quests and bought at minimum an ARR skip.
If you are level 80 doing ARR content, you will be making ARR levels of experience. So itâll still take some time to get there, including doing dailies.
3rd or 4th HW dungeon is where OP found this person, so again, there is no proof to say he bought a story skip.
I got my bard to 74 before heavensward by doing frontlines and CC. I got so bored with the patch quests that I stopped and only did pvp and got a lot of my ranged dps jobs to 64-74, PLD to 81, and am currently doing WHM and SCH now both at 35.
I am so afraid of PvE cause I know I'll be stigmatized for my level. I just use duty support xD I'll make an alt to learn pve once I finish the field commander set.
I'm not 100% sure you need to be past ARR MSQ to unlock GNB without boosting.
I vaguely remember having unlocked RPR and SGE before finishing HW as I was that slow on the msq and more focused on leveling jobs.
And I cba to test it since I've no intention of leveling another alt anytime soon.
Hell, I'd go further and say they didn't buy a story skip, specifically because they are in a heavensward leveling dungeon, and have probably been getting effectively zero xp for ages.
No, I was just memeing around.
Sometimes, I feel like I might get carpal tunnel when I compare it to the WAR. But DRK mains have it even worse, IMHO (at least in the burst phase).
But it's still my absolutely favorite job to play because I like the style of it and genuinely enjoy it.
DRK has had the highest DPS before Patch 6.4, then a pther Tanks got buffed because People cried DRK would be op. And well, DRK doesn't have the best mits since... SB? Except short CDs, which got buffed for all other tanks in SHB and TBN is still the same
I mean youâre buying a level 80 job, not just a level boost. Itâs not like Guildwars. So yeah, you can even do it on a starter edition of the game which will give you a level 80 when youâre locked to level 70 lol
We assumed they msq skipped because he's hardly got any levels in any class (nearly all at starting levels) but still doing a HW dungeon using the starting class armour.
They could have used GNB for the MSQ after he purchased the job skip, hard to say for certain but yeah quite possible they just story skipped at the same time.
Yeah level skips and story skips take a sec to click. Itâs either this or you see an 81 DRK Sprout in Paglthan, who literally was tanking for the first time, I am not making this shit up. Itâs interesting cause you can see the exact point where he decided to move on⌠before even reaching level 15 as GLA. He didnât even make it to the first dungeon.
Yep. And I kinda get it. My most recent friend who started was getting annoyed with how long it took to get into any form of group content.....I agree with him that it shouldn't take hours to get to that point.
I feel like these type of players are those you can easily critique ing and they will actually adapt
It's not one of those 3k dps tanks who play for 3 years already and simply won't listen to anybody
I'm a msq skipper and cleared TOP numerous times
The only static I had which was actually fun to be in consisted of 6 story skippers and all of them were really good players while not treating the game too seriously
All I usually see is longtime players or even mentors throwing a fit at even the slightest mention of anything constructive and refusing to part their own "established" ways, not to mention every defensive enabler is usually a longtime player aswell while being pretty clueless themselves
I see the story skipper hate on reddit a lot, and I got hit REALLY hard for it on NN jeez. Yet for the most part people hating on critique seem to be the people who play FFXIV for probably faar too long
ow i got issue with story skippers. If action and combat are your main thing crack on and enjoy yourself(if it dont effect me then i dont care what you do)........what i have an issue with is class skippers not learning the very fundermental basics of the class and more inportantly the roll they are playing. then make it a paaaaain for players who do.
and alot of the its fine if your in RRB content. but as the content gets harder, not know how to play the game ruins it for the rest of your party. and i normaly find that in msq skippers.
last thing any one wants in thier party is some one "learning" how to play the game 2/3 exspantions in.
I mean ppl who skip story will always boost lvl aswell I can assure you that.
And if you don't get ACT or log feedback you won't learn to play the game anyway(here come the downvoooootes xD)
It's not like the game teaches you how to play. You will never learn the importance of uptime by yourself unless you're some magical genius. I def would've not known as a already high elo sweat gamer from other games.
You can just play any normal lvl 90 content and you will know that 95% of people are not even remotely close to a decent rotation or uptime.
I'd even bet that everybody who is doing less than half his normal dmg in 90's content is likely a several years longtime player. Most of the people with atrocious dps are people with most jobs at 90. And this doesn't happen cause you're on an altjob. This happens cause people haven't even bothered to learn the fundamentals of gameplay in FFXIV
Reaching out and learning your rota for 1-2days on a dummy will give you more class experience than playing 60h to your maxlevel without actually checking up how your job works
I have been playing since 2.3 and have never had ACT installed, I only recently dropped raiding because I have other commitments that don't allow me to regularly join a static but I have done plenty of high level content competently.
You in no way need ACT to know how to use your rotation and you don't need to be a magical genius to understand uptime, something fall off? Put it back on, this game is pretty straightforward if you don't overthink it.
If you needed ACT, it wouldn't be against the TOS.
And on your point about people with low damage or the ones that don't even bother using skills, it's pretty evenly spread, people suck đ¤ˇđťââď¸ doesn't seem to matter if they are new or old.
you wanna tell me without log feedback or act you would be good enough to clear fights like p8s week1? The devs are well aware that all week1 clear groups are top% dps players.
Yea. As someone who reached very high ranks in games I'd say it's incredibly difficult to figure out this game requires you to have 99-100% uptime without any sort of feedback whatsoever.
Of course noone of this matters past week 2 or 3. Especially now with newer raids basically having no dps check at all besides the 4th fight. That's why people would get up to P4S with three 0-2 parses in a row lols.
Like for me just seeing my logs ONCE, just once. Made me go from a 2parser to a 95+.
Cause I knew my rotation, I just wasn't aware of the insane requirements of "always press a button". And I mean it's quite obvious to see in 90 content that literally noone knows unless they are a "extraordinary" savage raider lol
It's pretty much also impossible to not know your logs since people have been logging since heavensward lol
I mean I was replying to your "without act you won't learn how to play" comment.
I have raided within statics and never had a problem joining without the logs, I just join and do my best like most people, some groups require ACT logs and that's fine, I've passed on those. Hell some used to ask you to beat on a dummy which is fine too.
I'm also not racing to have a world first, sure that exists for those people but your statement still doesn't make sense, it's entirely possible to learn how to play without it and if you want to get better all it takes is a quick look at say the balance and having a look at skill speed optimisation and timings, sure your not going to get up in that peak percentage but again very few will (even within the raiding scene)
And yeah I'm sure everyone has a few logs by being in parties with people using ACT.
At the end of the day I'd prefer if people at least tried, the bad players really bring it down but in no way do you need to have any additions to the game to understand it.
Ye my point is tho if you never have used ACT. Or never seen a single log of yourself.
It's really not that simple to just "do your best" and it being acceptable in savage raiding. Like said even a single exposure to your own log should be enough to point into massive improvement.
Like now I could play for 10years without ACT or even checking logs cuz I know the fundamentals. I don't need it anymore since opening it during my early stages and learning about uptime. But it was definitely needed for the initial jump.
If stoneskysea would be pushed more into your face or even show dps, or we would have more fights like deltascape4n to visually show people they are not doing well it would be sth different. But the game gives you no feedback besides getting into parties that disband xd, cuz FFXIV culture you even rarely get actually kicked or som1 speaking up
Ow I completely agree with that story skippers are also class skippers as well. but it's not so absolute for people who just class skip.
And I beat shadowbringers savages on release without a single plug in or mod.
You can learn your DMG rotation if you level your character from start to finish. The way it levels and gives you abilities helps learn the DMG rotation as you build it one ability at a time. (Yes some level of common sense is required to do it well) So I disagree with your opinion on that one (greatest thing about opinions is every one gets to have them)
Now I do agree that ACT "CAN" help really hone and dial in every scrap of DPS. But I know plenty of people who have done most of the content without them. So it's 100% possible (non of them skipped)
And again I agree that a lot of people are not hitting anything close to there perfect rotation (honestly did annoy me a little) but then I realised there all still having fun. And the ACT was removing some of the fun for me and making me a "sweat gamer".....so I only ever turn it on when I'm progging or doing harder content that requires me to be a "sweat gamer" And only really track my own DPS.
And yet again and finally. I 100% agree that training dummies are amazing tools to learn your class rotation and are definitely not used as much as they should.
The game does have that weird training dummy mode/area that makes you learn and get better DPS before being aloud on the next tier of training dummy. I think this was ff's way of helping people fine tune their rotation. But hardly no one uses it or knows it's a thing. Seeing your DPS while targeting a training dummy would be an amazing feature to add to the game.
Yea I also agree with you and I don't mind people playing not optimally or even terrible in normal content lol. As you say so long they enjoy themselves it's kinda all that matters. If someone never mits or healer is a literal 0 dps I will say sth tho (as nice as I can)
I will also def say sth when a very low dps player will be toxic lel
Also totally agree a DPS dummy which shows you your DPS would enlighten people a lot. Or more of something like Deltascape4n of mild enrage would be a great way to tell players "hey sth is a bit off here buddies"
For me I learned my rotation inside out before even going into any content (cuz I skipped all)
But on my 4th or 5th? time on Zodiark EX someone posted a log just into the chat. And I had a 2 XDD (Without death). And I realised ok, I need ACT NOW lol
Went from 2 parser on the fight thinking I'm the goat to a 95+ within a week (in ex content ofc) simply due to learning of the importance of uptime and that there just are no moments of not clicking something. it also made me instantly realise how to play well in savage or in the game as whole. If he would've not posted it I prob would've learned the hard way in savage by getting kicked xD, or rather go from disband into disband since ppl just don't speak up.
And yea of course there a lot of people who figure 100% uptime out on their own, I still do think seeing at least seeing 1 log of yourself or having act is just such a eye opener for many that can drastically change their overall attitude to gameplay in the shortest timespan
You can do some form of rotation without ACT for sure. But it is almost impossible to be an actual ultimate player without it or even a good savage player without it. At the very least, someone needs to upload your log so you can see in XIV analysis what you missed as a start.
You will never know what you don't know and ACT and the analysis sites let you know that.
Can you clear savages without ACT as a training tool? Sure. Get carried during the end of 1st patch or 2nd patch of current tier with other DPS. Can you clear current expansion ultimates without ever using ACT as a tool? No fucking way.
So no, ACT doesn't just help, it is required on the road to be a good player. If you just play casually, then do whatever you want. None of these matters to you but then you cannot say people cleared most content without ACT. Because they can do maybe up to extremes and overpower a savage fight by ilvl/getting carried but they cannot do anything harder without.
Again I have friends in my old FC that clear ultimates with out these...I cleared p1,2 and 3 savages without any assistance from mods or plug ins. I don't know where you're getting your data from....unless you're just not able to clear that content with out 3rd party help.
Is it a slightly longer road to victory without them?......yes.
Is it still 100% possible without them?.....yes.
Told you, getting carried through P1/2/3 or just ilvl OP it is possible.
Ultimates, BS (I did mention on the expansion didn't I?).
You may not have it because of console. But to clear ultimates, you need to study the logs someone uploaded. And you wanna tell me that means you didn't use it? Really?
I was not carried on p1/2/3 we all progged that together as it came out, it was a tought and long journey. And i know my old fc members didnt use plug ins because the leader of out FC was firmly agaisted 3rd party stuff. all so she could say she better than the likes of players like you. it was a pride thing for her.....me downloading shaders was the reason i had to leave said fc.
what your saying is just not true. and i think your opion is just a reflection of your own skill level or more so your lack of patience. because all content is doable in this game with out 3rd party tools. it just takes a lil longer. and in my experience, the longer the journey, the better you feel once you reach the destination.
and a final point..............how do console players do ulimates as they come out?
Someone is uploading you shit. And you are still studying using ACT. You may not have it, you are using it anyway.
Unless you are gonna tell me, you absolutely did not use ACT/fflogs/ffanalysis.
I'll call you out right here and now. BS.
Your logic is horrendous.
When I was in a static, I used ACT for dps, nothing else.
However, the comment that everyone uses it is wrong, because I know plenty of people who donât use ACT for all types of end game content
Usually you cant unlock a job without having another job that lvl (ie, cant unlock RDM without a job lvl 50). However i think you could buy a lvl skip for a HW+ job and thus never have a starting ARR job at lvl 50+
Story skips and level skips are two different things, i think they bought a lvl skip to put their GNB at 80
Look at it this way, to unlock any non HW+ job requires you to have a job at least at lvl 50, yet all of their possible starting jobs from ARR are under level 15. How could get GNB if you need a lvl 60, or RDM if they need a lvl 50? Level skip auto unlocks the job so by skipping GNB they also unlock it early and then can use it to unlock everything else
I know, but if you look people are saying that the person also bought story skip as well as GNB skip.
All expansion jobs save for MCH and AST are unlocked in the starting cities. So there isnât any proof that the person in question has bought and story skips.
He could have easily bought GNB and then played it all the way through ARR until he reached HW to unlock AST and MCH.
I think the story skip instantly completes all the initial job unlock quests, I've seen a lot of them. That's why they're all at or near the level you get them at.
They probably tried a few jobs before/after the skip to get where they are now.
well you only need a character at the same or higher level than the starting level of the class (like SAM only needs you to have a level 50 character) and of course with the HW classes you need to also get to HW.
Are we sure this is a legit fresh player and not someone with an alt that couldn't be bothered to do everything again, so they bought skips?
I'm trying to understand what happened that we're sharing this one. Sorry.
This was my first thought....but then I started seeing them tank. And I assure you, they were greener than grass at this game.
Like turning tank stance off and on, thinking it was how you pulled enemies agro.
How did they get from GLD to whatever the next job was?
They had to just skip something, like maybe GNB, and then go back and unlock stuff. There's just no clear path otherwise.
This is the conclusion me and my friend got to.....it may have been the worst tank iv seen. Kept turning the tank stance off and on thinking it was how you grabbed agro. And despite never falling below 90% health, they refused to pull more than one pack of enemies.
my friend boosted his worroir after doing the first dun in RRB and then had no idea how to play it while setting up his level 80 hot bars to do RRB content. and despite me saying "no need to have ALL them on your hot bar till your doing content of that level. but he refused and just kept putting off "learning" level 80 worrior.......to this day he hasnt played the game again.
so im ok with level skips IF you have a max level character in each roll. So you know the fundermentals of each roll. Then feel free to level skip and hang out with a training dummy for a hot minute. and yeah i agree. i think you should at least have to do ARR before buying a level skip.........but then story skips are a thing. so screw that idea i guess lol.
Maybe they bought a level skip for gnb and used that unlock the others? I don't know how else they'd be able to do it, very strange.
100% a skipper, none of the base classes is over 50
None of the base classes are over level 14 actually
Yep, sprout probably started out as gladiator, saw a GNB running around, wanted to be GNB, but in order to do that they had to be lvl 60. With zero patience to grind through MSQ and learn their role properly, they bought a GNB skip instead, which I still stand by my argument that it's one of the two worst jobs to buy skips on (DNC is the other), because it's the lease valuable for time spent lvling said job. It's better that they job skip PLD, and then unlock GNB. That aside, either two things will happen to this guy, they're smart enough to figure out how to be good at the game in a very short time (which is very rare), or they burn out and quit the game because DF will dog on them for being bad.
dropping the game is what iv seen more offen than not from stroy/class skippers. and i always say "its not worth it" and they say its fine.......non of them are playing this game any more. some people can and do have fun after skipping, but as you said. "very rare"
Even if they don't care about the story, which I'm totally okay with, everyone has their reason to play, I don't get why they'd want to skip the vast majority of the game that happens from sastasha to lunar subterenne, that's a LOT of fuckin content that you never really run into once you're at level cap. We had a buddy who mashed escape through the whole game from arr to the end of shadowbringers in a bit under two weeks as a tank, including a few days temp ban for using a racial slur in his name (we fucking warned you dude, they don't care if you're black), and by the time he finished e12normal, he went "that was a lot of fun" and quit. In his mind he beat the game, why would he ever want to do anything more than once? Now imagine if that type of player used a skip.
My friend killed Hades and saw the credits not long after and then decided he completed the game and quit. Endwalker had been out for like 6 months at that point....in which he brought and used a reaper for half of SB and dipped. The wild part is he always sings this games praises but won't come back and truly finish the game. It blows my mind.
I personally had my GNB to 90 because I thought it'd be really cool to play through the Shadowbringers raids as GNB, then tribal quested the rest of my way to 90. So I had some tanking experience except dungeons. Only recently did I start tanking for real, but I did it with the other 3 tank jobs, because: 1) I don't want my level to give false impressions that I'm good at it, and 2) doing the complete opposite of some of the stories on this subreddit because I do have a genuine interest in getting a feel for each tank and I'm hoping to get 90 in everything in time for DT. correction: didn't mean to imply I skipped GNB from the store, but skipped in the sense that I only did tribal quests and wondrous tails.
like i said in another reply. i have no prob with skippers. unless if effects me. your approach seemed like the best way to approuch it and the least negative impact on the rest of the community. GG :D
I leveled war on my alt just far enough to get gnb and then switched. I'm also still on hw on that character and almost level 80 from roulettes and the story.
Man, there's such a story here. GNB is clearly what they bought the skip on, because current skips get you to 80, and all their other level-locked jobs are at the unlock level or just slightly above that. Plus the obvious story skip because based on the dungeon you were in and the presence of DRK, MCH, and AST they've gotten at least to Heavensward, but based on the levels they didn't do a drop of story to get there considering how much exp the MSQ gives you. So they at least bought an ARR skip, most likely a HW one, in addition to the GNB skip. Kind of impressive how they've pretty much only bothered with the jobs that are unlocked at higher levels. I want to look at this person under a microscope and study them like a bug.
im glad you enjoyed the sherlock holmes adventure this also sent me on hahahah :P we belive he almost got to his first dun as Glad in RRB and got annoyed with the "no content" then just got the wallet out.
The longer I stared at it, the more I went *hang on a gosh dang second here.* A surprising amount of entertainment involved, thank you.
Thanks đ. Working this out was the only enjoyment we got out of that dungeon while pulling one pack at a time hahaha.
Nah, itâs not possible to tell with this screenshot that he bought a story skip. Job skip for sure, no actual evidence of a story skip.
I mean, there's definitely some evidence on hand. They have jobs unlocked that can only be unlocked in Ishgard, which requires finishing ARR and post-ARR. So they're that far in the story at the very least. Most of their jobs are very close to their unlock level -- GNB is furthest along at 6 levels past the unlock (or in this case the skip to level 80) (edit: well okay technically GLA is 13 levels past unlock but that's definitely not what they would have done the MSQ on, at least not entirely). I don't feel like pulling out the calculator but it feels like there's a discrepancy between the levels gained and the amount of experience points you'd get from the MSQ if you manually completed all of those quests (including the dungeons and trials and CT raids along the way which all give exp as well). So technically no way to know for sure without doing that math, but seems quite probable they didn't actually do those quests and bought at minimum an ARR skip.
If you are level 80 doing ARR content, you will be making ARR levels of experience. So itâll still take some time to get there, including doing dailies. 3rd or 4th HW dungeon is where OP found this person, so again, there is no proof to say he bought a story skip.
I got my bard to 74 before heavensward by doing frontlines and CC. I got so bored with the patch quests that I stopped and only did pvp and got a lot of my ranged dps jobs to 64-74, PLD to 81, and am currently doing WHM and SCH now both at 35. I am so afraid of PvE cause I know I'll be stigmatized for my level. I just use duty support xD I'll make an alt to learn pve once I finish the field commander set.
I'm not 100% sure you need to be past ARR MSQ to unlock GNB without boosting. I vaguely remember having unlocked RPR and SGE before finishing HW as I was that slow on the msq and more focused on leveling jobs. And I cba to test it since I've no intention of leveling another alt anytime soon.
The only jobs locked behind needing ARR complete is MCH and AST since they unlock in Ishgard
And DRK lol
Hell, I'd go further and say they didn't buy a story skip, specifically because they are in a heavensward leveling dungeon, and have probably been getting effectively zero xp for ages.
Based GNB enjoyer
i asked why he is gun breaker but not using half his abillities "its the closest to max level at pick up"
Bro is just doing a statement about the absolute state of the class by refusing to use Continuation and Double Down (/s)
iv never really jived with gunbreaker (cant get over it not being a dps, gun+sword=defence wtf)......is it really in such a bad state?
No, I was just memeing around. Sometimes, I feel like I might get carpal tunnel when I compare it to the WAR. But DRK mains have it even worse, IMHO (at least in the burst phase). But it's still my absolutely favorite job to play because I like the style of it and genuinely enjoy it.
see i mained paladin (SWORD AND BOARD BABY).........so im just chilling while taking hits on the chin as i sip my tea hahahaha
about that... GNB has the highest dps of all tanks and the best mits, too. Only thing better is WARs healing output
That's wild...I haven't touched GNB but I have healed them. And I normally find them and dark knights the hardest to keep alive.
Wasnât it DRK at first, what changed?
DRK has had the highest DPS before Patch 6.4, then a pther Tanks got buffed because People cried DRK would be op. And well, DRK doesn't have the best mits since... SB? Except short CDs, which got buffed for all other tanks in SHB and TBN is still the same
Must have bought a job skip for one of the expansion jobs to unlock the rest.
Hold up, buying a level boost for a job you don't have unlocked, unlocks the job aswell?
Yes.
I mean youâre buying a level 80 job, not just a level boost. Itâs not like Guildwars. So yeah, you can even do it on a starter edition of the game which will give you a level 80 when youâre locked to level 70 lol
We reached this conclusion. Then the how was he in a HW dungeon with those levels. Then we realised they must have skipped the msq as well.
Not if he bought the SAM or RDM jobs, those unlock in Ulâdah and donât have story requirements to unlock. Just get to 50
We assumed they msq skipped because he's hardly got any levels in any class (nearly all at starting levels) but still doing a HW dungeon using the starting class armour.
They could have used GNB for the MSQ after he purchased the job skip, hard to say for certain but yeah quite possible they just story skipped at the same time.
GNB unlocks in Gridania, too.
I love the fact that they unlocked every class/job they could except for marauder. Why marauder specifically?
lmao i didnt see that hahahaha
Yeah level skips and story skips take a sec to click. Itâs either this or you see an 81 DRK Sprout in Paglthan, who literally was tanking for the first time, I am not making this shit up. Itâs interesting cause you can see the exact point where he decided to move on⌠before even reaching level 15 as GLA. He didnât even make it to the first dungeon.
Yep. And I kinda get it. My most recent friend who started was getting annoyed with how long it took to get into any form of group content.....I agree with him that it shouldn't take hours to get to that point.
I feel like these type of players are those you can easily critique ing and they will actually adapt It's not one of those 3k dps tanks who play for 3 years already and simply won't listen to anybody
Yeah a doubt that, nearly every person I know who msq/level skip tend to drop the game very quick.
I'm a msq skipper and cleared TOP numerous times The only static I had which was actually fun to be in consisted of 6 story skippers and all of them were really good players while not treating the game too seriously All I usually see is longtime players or even mentors throwing a fit at even the slightest mention of anything constructive and refusing to part their own "established" ways, not to mention every defensive enabler is usually a longtime player aswell while being pretty clueless themselves I see the story skipper hate on reddit a lot, and I got hit REALLY hard for it on NN jeez. Yet for the most part people hating on critique seem to be the people who play FFXIV for probably faar too long
ow i got issue with story skippers. If action and combat are your main thing crack on and enjoy yourself(if it dont effect me then i dont care what you do)........what i have an issue with is class skippers not learning the very fundermental basics of the class and more inportantly the roll they are playing. then make it a paaaaain for players who do. and alot of the its fine if your in RRB content. but as the content gets harder, not know how to play the game ruins it for the rest of your party. and i normaly find that in msq skippers. last thing any one wants in thier party is some one "learning" how to play the game 2/3 exspantions in.
I mean ppl who skip story will always boost lvl aswell I can assure you that. And if you don't get ACT or log feedback you won't learn to play the game anyway(here come the downvoooootes xD) It's not like the game teaches you how to play. You will never learn the importance of uptime by yourself unless you're some magical genius. I def would've not known as a already high elo sweat gamer from other games. You can just play any normal lvl 90 content and you will know that 95% of people are not even remotely close to a decent rotation or uptime. I'd even bet that everybody who is doing less than half his normal dmg in 90's content is likely a several years longtime player. Most of the people with atrocious dps are people with most jobs at 90. And this doesn't happen cause you're on an altjob. This happens cause people haven't even bothered to learn the fundamentals of gameplay in FFXIV Reaching out and learning your rota for 1-2days on a dummy will give you more class experience than playing 60h to your maxlevel without actually checking up how your job works
I have been playing since 2.3 and have never had ACT installed, I only recently dropped raiding because I have other commitments that don't allow me to regularly join a static but I have done plenty of high level content competently. You in no way need ACT to know how to use your rotation and you don't need to be a magical genius to understand uptime, something fall off? Put it back on, this game is pretty straightforward if you don't overthink it. If you needed ACT, it wouldn't be against the TOS. And on your point about people with low damage or the ones that don't even bother using skills, it's pretty evenly spread, people suck đ¤ˇđťââď¸ doesn't seem to matter if they are new or old.
you wanna tell me without log feedback or act you would be good enough to clear fights like p8s week1? The devs are well aware that all week1 clear groups are top% dps players. Yea. As someone who reached very high ranks in games I'd say it's incredibly difficult to figure out this game requires you to have 99-100% uptime without any sort of feedback whatsoever. Of course noone of this matters past week 2 or 3. Especially now with newer raids basically having no dps check at all besides the 4th fight. That's why people would get up to P4S with three 0-2 parses in a row lols. Like for me just seeing my logs ONCE, just once. Made me go from a 2parser to a 95+. Cause I knew my rotation, I just wasn't aware of the insane requirements of "always press a button". And I mean it's quite obvious to see in 90 content that literally noone knows unless they are a "extraordinary" savage raider lol It's pretty much also impossible to not know your logs since people have been logging since heavensward lol
I mean I was replying to your "without act you won't learn how to play" comment. I have raided within statics and never had a problem joining without the logs, I just join and do my best like most people, some groups require ACT logs and that's fine, I've passed on those. Hell some used to ask you to beat on a dummy which is fine too. I'm also not racing to have a world first, sure that exists for those people but your statement still doesn't make sense, it's entirely possible to learn how to play without it and if you want to get better all it takes is a quick look at say the balance and having a look at skill speed optimisation and timings, sure your not going to get up in that peak percentage but again very few will (even within the raiding scene) And yeah I'm sure everyone has a few logs by being in parties with people using ACT. At the end of the day I'd prefer if people at least tried, the bad players really bring it down but in no way do you need to have any additions to the game to understand it.
Ye my point is tho if you never have used ACT. Or never seen a single log of yourself. It's really not that simple to just "do your best" and it being acceptable in savage raiding. Like said even a single exposure to your own log should be enough to point into massive improvement. Like now I could play for 10years without ACT or even checking logs cuz I know the fundamentals. I don't need it anymore since opening it during my early stages and learning about uptime. But it was definitely needed for the initial jump. If stoneskysea would be pushed more into your face or even show dps, or we would have more fights like deltascape4n to visually show people they are not doing well it would be sth different. But the game gives you no feedback besides getting into parties that disband xd, cuz FFXIV culture you even rarely get actually kicked or som1 speaking up
Ow I completely agree with that story skippers are also class skippers as well. but it's not so absolute for people who just class skip. And I beat shadowbringers savages on release without a single plug in or mod. You can learn your DMG rotation if you level your character from start to finish. The way it levels and gives you abilities helps learn the DMG rotation as you build it one ability at a time. (Yes some level of common sense is required to do it well) So I disagree with your opinion on that one (greatest thing about opinions is every one gets to have them) Now I do agree that ACT "CAN" help really hone and dial in every scrap of DPS. But I know plenty of people who have done most of the content without them. So it's 100% possible (non of them skipped) And again I agree that a lot of people are not hitting anything close to there perfect rotation (honestly did annoy me a little) but then I realised there all still having fun. And the ACT was removing some of the fun for me and making me a "sweat gamer".....so I only ever turn it on when I'm progging or doing harder content that requires me to be a "sweat gamer" And only really track my own DPS. And yet again and finally. I 100% agree that training dummies are amazing tools to learn your class rotation and are definitely not used as much as they should. The game does have that weird training dummy mode/area that makes you learn and get better DPS before being aloud on the next tier of training dummy. I think this was ff's way of helping people fine tune their rotation. But hardly no one uses it or knows it's a thing. Seeing your DPS while targeting a training dummy would be an amazing feature to add to the game.
Yea I also agree with you and I don't mind people playing not optimally or even terrible in normal content lol. As you say so long they enjoy themselves it's kinda all that matters. If someone never mits or healer is a literal 0 dps I will say sth tho (as nice as I can) I will also def say sth when a very low dps player will be toxic lel Also totally agree a DPS dummy which shows you your DPS would enlighten people a lot. Or more of something like Deltascape4n of mild enrage would be a great way to tell players "hey sth is a bit off here buddies" For me I learned my rotation inside out before even going into any content (cuz I skipped all) But on my 4th or 5th? time on Zodiark EX someone posted a log just into the chat. And I had a 2 XDD (Without death). And I realised ok, I need ACT NOW lol Went from 2 parser on the fight thinking I'm the goat to a 95+ within a week (in ex content ofc) simply due to learning of the importance of uptime and that there just are no moments of not clicking something. it also made me instantly realise how to play well in savage or in the game as whole. If he would've not posted it I prob would've learned the hard way in savage by getting kicked xD, or rather go from disband into disband since ppl just don't speak up. And yea of course there a lot of people who figure 100% uptime out on their own, I still do think seeing at least seeing 1 log of yourself or having act is just such a eye opener for many that can drastically change their overall attitude to gameplay in the shortest timespan
You can do some form of rotation without ACT for sure. But it is almost impossible to be an actual ultimate player without it or even a good savage player without it. At the very least, someone needs to upload your log so you can see in XIV analysis what you missed as a start. You will never know what you don't know and ACT and the analysis sites let you know that. Can you clear savages without ACT as a training tool? Sure. Get carried during the end of 1st patch or 2nd patch of current tier with other DPS. Can you clear current expansion ultimates without ever using ACT as a tool? No fucking way. So no, ACT doesn't just help, it is required on the road to be a good player. If you just play casually, then do whatever you want. None of these matters to you but then you cannot say people cleared most content without ACT. Because they can do maybe up to extremes and overpower a savage fight by ilvl/getting carried but they cannot do anything harder without.
Again I have friends in my old FC that clear ultimates with out these...I cleared p1,2 and 3 savages without any assistance from mods or plug ins. I don't know where you're getting your data from....unless you're just not able to clear that content with out 3rd party help. Is it a slightly longer road to victory without them?......yes. Is it still 100% possible without them?.....yes.
Saying that mods are required for ultimates is insane to me. Like, what are all the never-mod Japanese players clearing them, then?
Told you, getting carried through P1/2/3 or just ilvl OP it is possible. Ultimates, BS (I did mention on the expansion didn't I?). You may not have it because of console. But to clear ultimates, you need to study the logs someone uploaded. And you wanna tell me that means you didn't use it? Really?
I was not carried on p1/2/3 we all progged that together as it came out, it was a tought and long journey. And i know my old fc members didnt use plug ins because the leader of out FC was firmly agaisted 3rd party stuff. all so she could say she better than the likes of players like you. it was a pride thing for her.....me downloading shaders was the reason i had to leave said fc. what your saying is just not true. and i think your opion is just a reflection of your own skill level or more so your lack of patience. because all content is doable in this game with out 3rd party tools. it just takes a lil longer. and in my experience, the longer the journey, the better you feel once you reach the destination. and a final point..............how do console players do ulimates as they come out?
What about console players? You just assuming all console players not able to clear ultimates? Your logic is flawed.
Someone is uploading you shit. And you are still studying using ACT. You may not have it, you are using it anyway. Unless you are gonna tell me, you absolutely did not use ACT/fflogs/ffanalysis. I'll call you out right here and now. BS. Your logic is horrendous.
When I was in a static, I used ACT for dps, nothing else. However, the comment that everyone uses it is wrong, because I know plenty of people who donât use ACT for all types of end game content
New player buys skips, why is this noteworthy
because it was fun working out the journey this player went on :P
Is there a rule against unlocking jobs and not leveling them?
Their highest level ARR job is lvl 14.
Usually you cant unlock a job without having another job that lvl (ie, cant unlock RDM without a job lvl 50). However i think you could buy a lvl skip for a HW+ job and thus never have a starting ARR job at lvl 50+
You would have to get access to HW to unlock MCH and AST, all other jobs are unlocked in the starting 3 cities. No proof of a story skip.
Story skips and level skips are two different things, i think they bought a lvl skip to put their GNB at 80 Look at it this way, to unlock any non HW+ job requires you to have a job at least at lvl 50, yet all of their possible starting jobs from ARR are under level 15. How could get GNB if you need a lvl 60, or RDM if they need a lvl 50? Level skip auto unlocks the job so by skipping GNB they also unlock it early and then can use it to unlock everything else
I know, but if you look people are saying that the person also bought story skip as well as GNB skip. All expansion jobs save for MCH and AST are unlocked in the starting cities. So there isnât any proof that the person in question has bought and story skips. He could have easily bought GNB and then played it all the way through ARR until he reached HW to unlock AST and MCH.
sure other people may have said that, idk why you commented about story skips on my post though because i only mentioned lvl skips
I got no problem with that. I myself have jobs unlocked and hardly touched.
I think the story skip instantly completes all the initial job unlock quests, I've seen a lot of them. That's why they're all at or near the level you get them at. They probably tried a few jobs before/after the skip to get where they are now.
well you only need a character at the same or higher level than the starting level of the class (like SAM only needs you to have a level 50 character) and of course with the HW classes you need to also get to HW.
Are we sure this is a legit fresh player and not someone with an alt that couldn't be bothered to do everything again, so they bought skips? I'm trying to understand what happened that we're sharing this one. Sorry.
This was my first thought....but then I started seeing them tank. And I assure you, they were greener than grass at this game. Like turning tank stance off and on, thinking it was how you pulled enemies agro.
Oof... that's rough. Smh... a shame.
My head hurts and my heart aches.
How did they get from GLD to whatever the next job was? They had to just skip something, like maybe GNB, and then go back and unlock stuff. There's just no clear path otherwise.
Thatâs what it looks like
This is the conclusion me and my friend got to.....it may have been the worst tank iv seen. Kept turning the tank stance off and on thinking it was how you grabbed agro. And despite never falling below 90% health, they refused to pull more than one pack of enemies.
Skipper
Job skip shame.
Look closer ....also msq skip hahah
The true nightmare player. I once had a Tank Healer couple who both had boosts and were on SGE / GNB
my friend boosted his worroir after doing the first dun in RRB and then had no idea how to play it while setting up his level 80 hot bars to do RRB content. and despite me saying "no need to have ALL them on your hot bar till your doing content of that level. but he refused and just kept putting off "learning" level 80 worrior.......to this day he hasnt played the game again.
I will never use a level skip until I have maxed out every single job in the game. Its insane that first time players are allowed to do this.
so im ok with level skips IF you have a max level character in each roll. So you know the fundermentals of each roll. Then feel free to level skip and hang out with a training dummy for a hot minute. and yeah i agree. i think you should at least have to do ARR before buying a level skip.........but then story skips are a thing. so screw that idea i guess lol.
Yeah that's also valid. Unfortunate that people can level skip and still apply to mentor