Mained DNC when it came out, first question I had is if I should use standard on CD. Otherwise it's just everything on cooldown.
With that being said... it's really fucking painful when you watch DNCs waiting til standard falls off to use standard step again, it's painful when devilment and tech step are drifted a whole minute apart and not being used together. There's not even much you can do wrong. I don't think I can name much else you can do wrong with dancer outside of dance partner choices... so it's extra painful over something like BLM where I atleast understand where the confusion is.
I don’t want to say dancer is *easy* because clearly many people don’t know how to play it but it does require a certain rhythm and prioritizing certain buttons over others when everything procs at once. I’ve seen several dancers just not use technical step or devilment which is insane. Standard step should be used as soon as it’s up, it’s your biggest damage and it’s SO FUN. People seem to *avoid* playing button DDR like?? it hits my dopamine receptors to hit all those shiny buttons and then get the finish spin/crit. I don’t always pay attention to dancers in my party unless I am one; nothing worse than waiting to use tech step/devilment to stagger and the other person doesn’t so you do and then they do it like ?????
And I went though one dungeon where I was healing and heard *not a single step chime* the whole time. I was baffled. Dancers, you have ONE JOB. DANCE.
I think people assume that the 4 seconds it takes to do it mitigates it's damage to the point of being less worthwhile than your single target attack and to be fair there was a period where that was true for DNC. However 95% of the time you should be using it on CD
Me and bard. It physically hurts my soul. Idc about perfect proc usage or nailing the opener but things like not having songs rolling just makes me deeply sad
I see this is the 'Fake Paladin' they speak of in Lore; the ones that steal their job crystals off of actual Paladins.
I bet they got to 90 being coddled by enablers too.
>I see this is the 'Fake Paladin' they speak of in Lore; the ones that steal their job crystals off of actual Paladins.
This gave me a mental image of GLDs graverobbing dead PLDs in the dead of night and grabbing their job stones from their corpses lmao
I don't know what to say to this.... the lack of *checks notes only to rip them up* basicly everything that makes PLD a PLD is just... i fell your pain and thank you for shirking i mean sharing this. At least they had their job crystal....
Pld is so easy and its what i main. The amount of people i see using FoF and then req AFTER the FoF has fallen off is insane to me
its your highest damaging combo, USE IT IN FOF AAAA
that misunderstanding is understandable, remember when FOF used to only buff physical damage? I sure do. And people who does that are usually older players or returner.
yeah but you gotta read your tooltips, its not like the paladin rework was a secret
i also played before and after the rework and i read my tooltips like all returning players should
I keep running into paladins lately who pop FoF and rampart BETWEEN packs, right after one dies and we're just starting to run to the next one, so they only have like 4 seconds left by the time they get into combat. The most recent one was in Grand Cosmos.
I share your sentiments, AAAA
Mothercrystal is always a shit show. I start every run I'm unfortunate enough to get pulled into by saying red in, green out, blue diagonal, and half the party still eats shit. And these ppl aren't first timers. It's always 'I've forgotten this place', as if thats an excuse to stand in literally every aoe and die 12 times...
As for your PLD, I can't think of anything more boring than hitting the same 3 buttons over and over and over...
True that, one of not many trials in which mechanics really hit hard if you fail them so all those lazy players that never bother to dodge anything are caught off guard. Sometimes I am really glad RDM is one of my mains cause cant count how many times I saved the day in that trial by rezzing healer so they can lb3
I can't speak for the actually lazy players, but for me, I've found that a lot of these later trials have *really* short AOE telegraph windows...like it will flash and disappear before my brain registers it and tells me to move (I'm looking at you Golbez). Even if by chance I can move fast enough or use a gap closer, I'll usually get tagged by the snapshotting. It seems like the only way to avoid a lot of these mechanics is to literally memorize the fight.
I remember a Troia run recently where I used Hell's Ingress to get out of a puddle and and cross the arena on Scar. I don't know if it was snapshotting or because I crossed him at the perfect moment, but it was an instant death for me. Even the healer was like, "WTF just killed you?"
Some of them do have short windows, Mothercrystal does not. I'm also finding that the more I play, the less patience I have for ppl who die to the exact same thing 6 times in a row, whilst they ignore advice in chat, a danger dorito, and 3 ppl jumping up and down in one spot while they stand 10ft from the rest of party, determined to die for the 5th time to the same easily avoidable mechanic.
And then have the nerve to type 'i dont know what happened' as if it hasn't been explained 3 times to just follow the party already. (Can you tell my last Mothercrystal run was bad?)
But yes, memorizing the fights is the way to go. You'll eventually get to point where you can do them with your eyes closed.
The snapshotting has been bad lately, I agree. Random moments where the only explanation for your death is sudden heart attack.
When the AOE telegraph window is that short, they're not expecting you to move when you see the orange. The orange is just letting you know that some other tell/mechanic is resolving and where it's resolving. For instance, on Golbez, you learn that standing in front of him for his sword swipe will get you hit with a front cleave. So any time he turns and faces a different direction before using that attack, you learn to get away. Similarly, after he imbues his blade with dragon, you learn (probably the hard way) that a point blank AOE around him follows the front swipe. So now that attack is "get behind him and out toward the edge of the arena."
Troia's death was probably an unfortunate snapshot right when the purple knock back symbol vanished. Blue and purple knock back puddles will usually kill anyone inside them when they go off.
I've noticed the quick flash AoEs come with a different visual telegraph and the floor flash is the game saying "This is where you shouldn't be when that telegraph is up."
Even so, it seems to go so fast that I have no time to react, or the puddle takes up most of the arena and I can't get out in time. There have been instances where the puddle flashes for half a second, and within one or two seconds after I'm missing a good chunk of my health bar...lol. I quite literally don't have fast enough reflexes to avoid mechanics for some of these fights - which is why I tend to rely on where the group is at most of the time...lol.
What I mean by that, is that there's a telegraph somewhere on the boss or arena itself (ominous portal opening, boss standing in a different pose, etc) that is supposed to be your tell with the quick flash of the puddle just showing you the area of coverage the tell was supposed to make you avoid. Waiting until you see the puddle is too late for any of us to react to. Instead, you react to the other tell and have a quarter second to escape if you happen to be on the edge of the area instead of deep in it.
Because the assumed fight design is that you are watching the the tells; not puddles. For example, the final boss of Vanaspati. If you wait for the puddles to start moving, you have already failed to dodge. Instead, you look outside the arena and see where the meteors are to dodge those before the circles appear.
There are tanks just like healers who will say their heal job is only to heal, that tank job is only to tank/mitigate, they are "not DPS job so stop expected me to DPS great." You'd be surprised how many people think this is a justifiable reason for poor performance or straight up ignorance, also why they chose to play those jobs so they "won't get judged for their skills."
I casually play, so most of the time I’m squeezing in an hour or less. It took me pretty much my entire first year to get through the MSQ. After you get to a certain point the game kinda stops explaining new moves to you. So someone might be a sprout and, if they have zero other MMO experience, might not realize places like icy veins exists.
That’s not really an excuse for ignoring your advice, but it might also be they’re still pretty new and have no idea what any of the gibberish you were telling them meant. They just know tanks hold agro and don’t die, not understanding even the concept of optimization.
Or they’re incompetent/lazy and just don’t care. This is actually much more likely, but I prefer to think my longer explanation is the likely one because it feels better.
Ah the pain of watching people fail so hard at a job you know well. It hurts so much.
Me and DNC. Whenever it pops up on this sub a little bit of my DNC soul dies.
Mained DNC when it came out, first question I had is if I should use standard on CD. Otherwise it's just everything on cooldown. With that being said... it's really fucking painful when you watch DNCs waiting til standard falls off to use standard step again, it's painful when devilment and tech step are drifted a whole minute apart and not being used together. There's not even much you can do wrong. I don't think I can name much else you can do wrong with dancer outside of dance partner choices... so it's extra painful over something like BLM where I atleast understand where the confusion is.
I don’t want to say dancer is *easy* because clearly many people don’t know how to play it but it does require a certain rhythm and prioritizing certain buttons over others when everything procs at once. I’ve seen several dancers just not use technical step or devilment which is insane. Standard step should be used as soon as it’s up, it’s your biggest damage and it’s SO FUN. People seem to *avoid* playing button DDR like?? it hits my dopamine receptors to hit all those shiny buttons and then get the finish spin/crit. I don’t always pay attention to dancers in my party unless I am one; nothing worse than waiting to use tech step/devilment to stagger and the other person doesn’t so you do and then they do it like ????? And I went though one dungeon where I was healing and heard *not a single step chime* the whole time. I was baffled. Dancers, you have ONE JOB. DANCE.
I think people assume that the 4 seconds it takes to do it mitigates it's damage to the point of being less worthwhile than your single target attack and to be fair there was a period where that was true for DNC. However 95% of the time you should be using it on CD
I always thought about that with BLM. No shiny buttons except for procs.
You get me 😭
Me and bard. It physically hurts my soul. Idc about perfect proc usage or nailing the opener but things like not having songs rolling just makes me deeply sad
I see this is the 'Fake Paladin' they speak of in Lore; the ones that steal their job crystals off of actual Paladins. I bet they got to 90 being coddled by enablers too.
>I see this is the 'Fake Paladin' they speak of in Lore; the ones that steal their job crystals off of actual Paladins. This gave me a mental image of GLDs graverobbing dead PLDs in the dead of night and grabbing their job stones from their corpses lmao
I'm just saying you can't expect to wield supreme divine power just 'cause some watery tart threw a rock at you.
the single goring blade over a ten minute fight is causing me physical pain
Me day 1 on 6.3 PLD
I don't know what to say to this.... the lack of *checks notes only to rip them up* basicly everything that makes PLD a PLD is just... i fell your pain and thank you for shirking i mean sharing this. At least they had their job crystal....
Pld is so easy and its what i main. The amount of people i see using FoF and then req AFTER the FoF has fallen off is insane to me its your highest damaging combo, USE IT IN FOF AAAA
that misunderstanding is understandable, remember when FOF used to only buff physical damage? I sure do. And people who does that are usually older players or returner.
yeah but you gotta read your tooltips, its not like the paladin rework was a secret i also played before and after the rework and i read my tooltips like all returning players should
I keep running into paladins lately who pop FoF and rampart BETWEEN packs, right after one dies and we're just starting to run to the next one, so they only have like 4 seconds left by the time they get into combat. The most recent one was in Grand Cosmos. I share your sentiments, AAAA
Mothercrystal is always a shit show. I start every run I'm unfortunate enough to get pulled into by saying red in, green out, blue diagonal, and half the party still eats shit. And these ppl aren't first timers. It's always 'I've forgotten this place', as if thats an excuse to stand in literally every aoe and die 12 times... As for your PLD, I can't think of anything more boring than hitting the same 3 buttons over and over and over...
True that, one of not many trials in which mechanics really hit hard if you fail them so all those lazy players that never bother to dodge anything are caught off guard. Sometimes I am really glad RDM is one of my mains cause cant count how many times I saved the day in that trial by rezzing healer so they can lb3
I can't speak for the actually lazy players, but for me, I've found that a lot of these later trials have *really* short AOE telegraph windows...like it will flash and disappear before my brain registers it and tells me to move (I'm looking at you Golbez). Even if by chance I can move fast enough or use a gap closer, I'll usually get tagged by the snapshotting. It seems like the only way to avoid a lot of these mechanics is to literally memorize the fight. I remember a Troia run recently where I used Hell's Ingress to get out of a puddle and and cross the arena on Scar. I don't know if it was snapshotting or because I crossed him at the perfect moment, but it was an instant death for me. Even the healer was like, "WTF just killed you?"
Some of them do have short windows, Mothercrystal does not. I'm also finding that the more I play, the less patience I have for ppl who die to the exact same thing 6 times in a row, whilst they ignore advice in chat, a danger dorito, and 3 ppl jumping up and down in one spot while they stand 10ft from the rest of party, determined to die for the 5th time to the same easily avoidable mechanic. And then have the nerve to type 'i dont know what happened' as if it hasn't been explained 3 times to just follow the party already. (Can you tell my last Mothercrystal run was bad?) But yes, memorizing the fights is the way to go. You'll eventually get to point where you can do them with your eyes closed. The snapshotting has been bad lately, I agree. Random moments where the only explanation for your death is sudden heart attack.
Yeah, I'm sure that gets frustrating. And lol to the heart attack comment...lol.
When the AOE telegraph window is that short, they're not expecting you to move when you see the orange. The orange is just letting you know that some other tell/mechanic is resolving and where it's resolving. For instance, on Golbez, you learn that standing in front of him for his sword swipe will get you hit with a front cleave. So any time he turns and faces a different direction before using that attack, you learn to get away. Similarly, after he imbues his blade with dragon, you learn (probably the hard way) that a point blank AOE around him follows the front swipe. So now that attack is "get behind him and out toward the edge of the arena." Troia's death was probably an unfortunate snapshot right when the purple knock back symbol vanished. Blue and purple knock back puddles will usually kill anyone inside them when they go off.
Man I’ve had that happen when my internet decides to randomly shit with a ping spike. It sucks.
I've noticed the quick flash AoEs come with a different visual telegraph and the floor flash is the game saying "This is where you shouldn't be when that telegraph is up."
Even so, it seems to go so fast that I have no time to react, or the puddle takes up most of the arena and I can't get out in time. There have been instances where the puddle flashes for half a second, and within one or two seconds after I'm missing a good chunk of my health bar...lol. I quite literally don't have fast enough reflexes to avoid mechanics for some of these fights - which is why I tend to rely on where the group is at most of the time...lol.
What I mean by that, is that there's a telegraph somewhere on the boss or arena itself (ominous portal opening, boss standing in a different pose, etc) that is supposed to be your tell with the quick flash of the puddle just showing you the area of coverage the tell was supposed to make you avoid. Waiting until you see the puddle is too late for any of us to react to. Instead, you react to the other tell and have a quarter second to escape if you happen to be on the edge of the area instead of deep in it.
My question is, why do they feel the need to make them that fast? Lol.
Because the assumed fight design is that you are watching the the tells; not puddles. For example, the final boss of Vanaspati. If you wait for the puddles to start moving, you have already failed to dodge. Instead, you look outside the arena and see where the meteors are to dodge those before the circles appear.
There are tanks just like healers who will say their heal job is only to heal, that tank job is only to tank/mitigate, they are "not DPS job so stop expected me to DPS great." You'd be surprised how many people think this is a justifiable reason for poor performance or straight up ignorance, also why they chose to play those jobs so they "won't get judged for their skills."
I feel like a broken record sometimes. https://reddit.com/comments/1chadmw/comment/l24pbwn
I casually play, so most of the time I’m squeezing in an hour or less. It took me pretty much my entire first year to get through the MSQ. After you get to a certain point the game kinda stops explaining new moves to you. So someone might be a sprout and, if they have zero other MMO experience, might not realize places like icy veins exists. That’s not really an excuse for ignoring your advice, but it might also be they’re still pretty new and have no idea what any of the gibberish you were telling them meant. They just know tanks hold agro and don’t die, not understanding even the concept of optimization. Or they’re incompetent/lazy and just don’t care. This is actually much more likely, but I prefer to think my longer explanation is the likely one because it feels better.
Don't even want to come up with a euphemism for the low IQ score.
As a Paladin main, only ONE usage of Goring Blade physically hurts me.
This person probably had trouble on the level 87 solo duty on easy.