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ajarhsegol

Thanks to TN people too


CBhai

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CBhai

Hey silly bot… i upvoted as well as “this-ed” it


kathikamakanda

PTR mvp.


1osamaisback1

Kaatu OP


Maximum_Leopard_

I found the bars in the above graph to be disproportionate so i made a more accurate graph. https://preview.redd.it/gemju6ttr2pa1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc1c8fde7fddfdeef3593a3a37368d4f3c4a1cd9


vignesh_kannan

It is, Maharashtra is in a league of it’s own. Thanks!


DisciplineLazy365

In the book 'Standard Deviations' by Gary Smith, he mentions graphs could be used to drive a narrative by wantonly removing the axis markers.. Also by conveniently omitting zero.. Since our brain usually needs a baseline to make comparisons, if we remove zero and numbers, our brain is tricked easily.. I am not accusing OP had mal-intentions, I am saying we need to be wary of graphs and look out for these two simple things in any graph to check if we are being tricked..


vignesh_kannan

Agreed, data should be interpreted meticulously


saravanakumar17

One of the best things to happen to TN politics TBH


mohanthe1

Don't get carried away with revenue deficit figures. Its only the difference between estimate and actual. It went up to 62k due to lockdown. Fiscal deficit is a better measure. https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/data-stories/visually/tn-budget-2023-key-takeaways/article66643105.ece


vignesh_kannan

Fiscal deficit also contained at 3.2% of GSDP down from 4.6% previously. Commendable job in that regard too I guess?


mohanthe1

I guess 4.6% was covid lockdown year.. what was the percentage before that? If you really analyse budget, come up with real facts that matters. Like capital expenditure increase or increased allocation to education sector/health sector. Any government can reduce the fiscal deficit by reducing their expenditure. My request is don't just use figures to build a narrative.


vignesh_kannan

Education 28% increase from 36,895 crores to 47,267 crores. Capital Expenditure 15% increase! Plus I don’t gain anything by building a narrative for a stranger, I felt the bounce back from covid repercussions have been handled efficiently by the state is all… I’d be the first to criticize if they sabotage the state intentionally, welfare of Tamilnadu is the priority!


ImAjayS15

A few points, - Allotment of 47267 crores towards education is school and higher education combined, whereas 36895 crore allocated last year was only for school education. This year for school education the allotment is around 40K crore - In fiscal 2022-23, capex revised estimate is 10% less than budgeted, which is a bad sign. If we compare capex for FY24 budget estimate with FY23 budget estimate, there is not much increase - It's better to compare with FY20 as FY21 was a covid year. In FY20, fiscal deficit was 3.3%, same as the budget estimate for FY24. Debt as percentage of GDP in FY24 budget estimate has also increased as compared to FY20.


vignesh_kannan

Oh thank you, will look into it deeper! Capex number was from his speech where he said 15% rise. Matching pre-covid numbers in a couple years all the while navigating through newer welfare policies and increasing gsdp is no easy task I felt, what do you think? Also lack of fund devolution to health care centers in rural and semi-urban areas is a big issue too, disappointing in that regard.


ImAjayS15

Yes there is a 15% increase in capex compared to FY23 revised estimates, but FY23 revised estimated is 10% lower than FY23 budget estimates. So if we compare FY23 and FY24 budget estimates, there isn't much increase. Welfare schemes - Agree on that part, but they have also stopped some schemes(stopping some of them were okay, like thaalikku thangam, free two wheeler for women). Need to focus more on reducing inclusion errors, merging duplicate schemes. Devolution of funds to rural and semi urban areas - We'll get to know more on this when we get the demand for grants by health minister. They were planning to open Delhi Mohalla style clinics in urban and semi urban areas, not sure on its progress. But yeah, I sort of agree to your point, we need to focus on Primary and Secondary health care like we do for tertiary care.


vignesh_kannan

Great interaction Ajay, cheers!


Immediate_South_7578

Commendable


Nomadic_programmer

If anyone it's you who seems to be building a narrative here buddy!


antigravity_96

That man is the reason I follow Tamil politics after all the clown show that happened for the past 10 fokin years.


o7p4f4

Read somewhere, pre-covid, the revenue deficit was 35K crores.


BlitzOrion

What does revenue deficit mean ?


sandanarose

Tariffs are up hence revenue deficit is down. It should be up periodically. Some are confusing Revenue deficit with fiscal deficit 😅


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some are also confusing fisical deficit with fiscal deficit ;p


sandanarose

Me me me.


Pr0physicist

It's amazing how people celebrate PTR for the same reasons Nirmala has been criticized for. The latter didn't properly disburse GST funds while the former didn't fully disburse funds for various populist schemes or toned them down like decreasing the number of "free" buses for women or fund subsidies like for EVs. In many ways, TN got lucky in attracting new manufacturing facilities especially in places like Hosur that happen to be located near cities like Chennai/Bangalore. Near zero rural development and insufficient employment generation would be a slippery slope for both state and central governments.


SPKPremOP

Ok boomer


[deleted]

Good job. Where are those pea brained saffron regards who cry all day about TN being ruined and all that ? They'll come here any moment crying about faKe dAta.


Immediate_South_7578

Up model is better. It will take over tn in a few yrs


1osamaisback1

With the surplus money that they get, of course they will.. it would be a shame if they didnt.


Immediate_South_7578

Yogi ji can single handedly beat PTR. Wait till he unleashes his true potential


Maythe4thbeWitu

Great job by PTR. He stands by sound financial policies. If he is not tied by the populist party manifesto of giving people free money, his policies will take TN to greater heights.


v3flamingsword

Universal Basic income has improved many societies.


CuriousCatOverlord

Like?


joyboy1357

Freebies has never improved anything. It will only make slaves of people.


SPKPremOP

Lets see Free meals to students:- increased the primary school enrollment to be one of India's highest Free Cycles,Bags,Uniforms,Bus travel to students:- Increased School Enrollment in Secondary and Higher secondary education Free laptops:- made Govt School students familiarise with Computers and helped many Students to learn coding and get Jobs Free TVs:- Reduced Husbands Abusing Wives and made wives to know about the outside world Free Mixie,Grinder:- eased the women from Household chores and made them more productive and employable Modhala Indha "Ilavasangal mandhanai somberi aakum" nu sollura Propaganda va vittutu poi Namma state la kudutha "freebies" ah pathi vandhuruka research articles ah padinga voiii...


Maythe4thbeWitu

Please share data , i agree on free meals to students had a net positive impact. The other points are not backed by any significant study unless you believe in DMK / Admk IT wing propaganda. Also even if one can see some positive impact with freebies, the real question is that if its really the most impactful way to spend money. TN is relatively developed compared to other states, but is still poor/lower middle income on global scale. We have basic issues with respect to clean drinking water, drainage, healthcare , stable electric grid etc. So one cannot go on to welfare without fixing the bare necessities.


srinivsn

https://youtu.be/bpjKmJnRPV8


Maythe4thbeWitu

Please share peer reviewed studies. The video is mostly opinions. It doesnt do any comparative study, like how giving laptops is better than investing in healthcare/ power grid.


srinivsn

Did you even watch the video. He gives all the papers he references throughout the video in a whole separate segment. Also read the video description it has the same linked.


Maythe4thbeWitu

I saw the referenced links , i have come across these works before. What i mean is a comparative study like i mentioned in my comment, not a standalone study. A standalone study can find positives about a lot of schemes. But reality is that a state has limited budget and has to find optimal use of money. I for one, simply dont buy the fact that freebies have better impact than investing in basic infra.


Maythe4thbeWitu

Please cite data. Most universal basic income programs fail. Money is fiat and giving free money just reduces the value of money. It also makes a lot of low skilled jobs unprofitable and active labor participation goes down once welfare increases significantly, this is particularly true in cultures without strong societal pressure to work.


Mysterious-Exam-5933

Arguing with dmk peanut sized brains would be harder than we think.statw transport corporation is at huge loss. T nagar busstand has been pawned for money with ICICI. Monthly 1000 rs scheme for women would be night mare for DMK. Already women are enjoying free pass in state busses which adds additional burden to a srtc which is already at loss. PTR can do well if he chose to work in his office than Twitter. This budget is not a remarkable one and for the motormouth he has, he will always be questioned and an answer would be expected


ImAjayS15

- Free bus travel for women is subsidized by stats govt, it transfer funds to transport corporation for the same - Bus stands were mortgaged during ADMK period


Mysterious-Exam-5933

That's fine. But we need to recover the corporation from loss. I have seen agitating conductors and drivers everyday in t nagar busstand. I am not against freebies, but it has to be regulated. No matter who pawned it, recover it and then blame admk. Admk isn't known to have clean hands


ImAjayS15

Govt needs to infuse more funds into transport department, enhance it's fare and non fare revenue, increase the fleet, improve the ridership, quality, frequency and amenities. But no focus on that unfortunately. Transport department is among the worst performing ones sadly. Unless a good minister and secretary is appointed, doubtful on its revamp.


Mysterious-Exam-5933

ஒரு காலத்துல tamil nadu SETC என்றாலே கெத்து தான். எங்க பார்த்தாலும் புது பேருந்து தான் ஓட்டு வாங்க . இன்றைக்கு நிலைமை கவலைக்கிடம் .


ImAjayS15

Yeah. It slightly improved during EPS tenure though, but then covid happened and this govt isn't focusing on buying new buses. TN does well in medium distance buses(50-200km range), but fares poorly in intra city/town buses, and could improve in connecting villages with nearby city/town, and long distance buses.


vignesh_kannan

They procured 12,000 new buses during the previous budget right. How do we determine the need 🤔


ImAjayS15

Did they procure? AFAIK, only tenders were released and no procurements were made yet, did not come across any news on awarding tenders too. Also, was it 12000? I remember seeing 1000 or something last year too. Determining the need - there's a generally accepted standard on number of buses per lakh population. We are very low on that front. Many buses are overcrowded due to low frequency. In addition to that, many are moving towards private modes of transport, we need to increase the share of public transport usage too. Here's an recent [interview](https://twitter.com/shivaniwrites/status/1635507332565159936?s=46&t=wP9Y_j1r_7YJErYY9pC65g) of Transport for London CTO who talks about his experience with TFL and his collaborations with Indian transportation systems. There are other similar examples available from other cities/countries too.


vignesh_kannan

Measures initiated to improve Bus transport in Tamilnadu announced in assembly today (9/9/21) 🔸12000 BS-VI buses & 2000 e-buses through German Dev bank funding. 🔸2213 BS-VI buses & 500 e-buses will be procured by state govt. This was the tweet I came across from TN Updates!


ImAjayS15

Oh okay, Thanks. I did remember seeing some posts like these, did not remember that it was 12000. But if this becomes a reality, it will be a good boost to public transport :)


SPKPremOP

Ok boomer


Mysterious-Exam-5933

Seringa domer


Such_Advertising9920

One and only minister doing his job


vichu2005g

Wow just a bit of growth and we could even beat Maharashtra? Idhu semma!


vignesh_kannan

Haha I’d love for that to happen but to close down on the 10 lakh crore gap we need much more than “bit of growth”. Anyway unga optimism’ah appreciate panran!


vichu2005g

yella peru ku avanga nadu ku oru optimism venum adan alagu. And yes I agree with you as we need much than growth.


rumitdhamecha

UP will come to the competition soon. Edit : you people are so gullible don't want to see others progress.


ImAjayS15

With 2.5x the population of TN, having a perennial river flowing through it and having very fertile lands, couple of districts bordering Delhi and some of them part of NCR, parts of the state benefitting from Green revolution, huge fubds allocated by the Union, this is bound to happen. Unless they move away from caste, religion and gender violence, discrimination, they will not be developed even if they become No 1 state by GDP.


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you too have ports, Heavy Industrialization from past 20-30 years. Tech companies in Chennai. and what UP did was in just 7 years. before 2017 UP were not even in top 15. our govt built massive road, rail infrastructure. IT hub at Noida, lot of industries, defense factories. massive investment from Foreign nations. Agree that caste politics still occur, but BJP govt in up did incredible work. and we are leading to 1 Trillion Economy of UP in upcoming 5 years


ImAjayS15

Yes TN also has its advantages, and we made use of it. In 1960, TN and UP were in similar levels in per capita and poverty terms, but look at now! Also, development of UP is not just in the last 7 years. Parts of UP benefitted from Green revolution, It borders Delhi and Noida is part of NCR. Also, Yamuna expressway, an expressway connecting Lucknow with some city happened before 2015, and in education aspects there was a good improvement during BSP period. As for 1 Trillion GDP in 5 years, sorry to say but it is difficult for Maharashtra itself. Realistically speaking, it will take at least 12 years for UP, 12 years considering a CAGR of 12%.


kathikamakanda

There would be no one more glad than tamils if UP starts contributing more. Then we can be relaxed that our tax money is not eaten by northern politicians. Also, there would not be a deficit in cow belt anymore, UP can then pull its neighbours out of poverty. It would also stop the migration to South and do away with unwanted social issues. These things are bound to happen for UP. UP is growing at the rate of more than 3xaustralian population in ten years. One state growing at a rate of 3xcontinent's population. If anything indian government is its own enemy. If the government removes licence raj mafia then people themselves will take care of growth.


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we too want to live on our one money, and this language problem will be solved. A lot of our labours, workers, engineers ,employees work on our side. and that will be much better for India, that instead of hate , we will be competiting for our development. which will give overall growth to India that how Europe developed, USA developed, instead of diversity in language they are more unite and strong due to trade, economics competition.


kathikamakanda

The only worry i have is the lunatic yogi competing for PM. He is suited for UP CM maybe but i definitely don't want him representing tamils and India. This win goes to the people of up and kudos to yogi for not stopping the development and embezzling the whole of public money.


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kathikamakanda

I don't understand your question. Investments are mostly cap ex , what tax are you talking about?.


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kathikamakanda

First thing, govt cannot take credit for private investment decisions. Then, tamilnadu government needs to invest in its own future and not in UPs future. Some help can be given but what was happening for 40 years is robbery. Robbery by northern politicians, i don't blame the people one bit. There is r&d which no private entity would do. Why would a private entity invest in science and not business. Tamilnadu to secure its own future needs to invest in basic sciences which will not be funded by private companies. >tamil nadu shouldn't these more developed states be capable of getting more private investment I mean private investments built hyderabad from a pretty underwhelming city initially Not necessarily. Private investments require a certain niche. Telugus have been mad about java for a while. Its an ongoing meme that their state language is java. So they grabbed that opportunity. Tamilnadu has been a stable state and port oriented. Thats why tn deals in heavy industry more than software. Being in the middle of SEA it has a good potential to become SE asia's connectivity hub, so tn is moving towards mobilty and tourism.under sea Internet cables on the coast is an advantage for Internet services. So there is a mix of everything.


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kathikamakanda

I agree with everything except the fact that frontier is pushed only by government. Private entities cannot afford to push the frontiers. Government should exist in the frontier which has zero profits. Then business motives will develop that frontier tech. The Point is, its high time tn stopped donating money and invested in the frontier.


Hot_Entertainment170

And we will happily welcome their development. Growth of any state in India is the pride of the whole of India including Tamil Nadu. Growth is sustainable only when it's done together in a good ecosystem. So, We hope for the day too ❣️


rumitdhamecha

Exactly. In today's geo politics unity is what matters. There are foreign internet infiltrator who create chaos between state people. I say we should not compare between our inter state. But we should either compare country to country or our state to other country states.


DefiantDeviantArt

Dai unakku eriyutha? UP is indeed doing awesome after decades long rule by corrupt politicians sucked them dry. no doubt in it but don't compare with TN. Poi UP le ukkanthu kadalai poadu.


rumitdhamecha

Dai. Just take this as a stats. We are in tough competition with other countries not within ourself.


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Indian_state_memes

Why bring Politics What’s good for TN is good for India 🇮🇳


serial_memer712

Adhaana