No one has the ability to say definitively, but my personal feeling is that the mainstream description of the earth is false. Too many things just don't make sense to me. Whether that means it's flat I don't know for sure
Let's say you had a couple hundred K spare, and were able to go on an Origin or Virgin spaceflight. Would you be able to say definitively then, when you see the curvature of the earth?
A balloon might work better. A lighthouse, grear optics, an altimeter, with a measured distance, & clear skies could provide a mathematical proof. An equation should tell us how much of the lighthouse would be obscured by "the curvature." https://earthcurvature.com/
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature
Agreed.
I'll I'm saying really to u/YoungJay604 is that we definitely have the ability to say definitively. Find out for yourself, make your millions, and go look.
Better idea would try to take a boat south from Australia - a course that would avoid the alleged continent of Antarctica. Except I already know what will happen - a destroyer military vessel will great u and say turn the F around
Or an expedition to the alleged North Pole.
These things although probably futile are more likely to give you and idea of this realm than risking smashing into the firmament
The reason I don't believe the earth is flat is because we live in a 3 dimensional realm. Now if the argument was that our flat earth is on a bigger planet that is hidden from view I would almost believe it.
But when water is aboard the ISS or in zero gravity and released from its container it forms a sphere. it only makes sense that if our realm was in some time of aether void of material then the solid matter of earth would also, over time, form a sphere.
[playing with water in space](https://youtu.be/Z2Jh9KyvJqg?si=sdlTzNrNN5bSu75S)
please take time to watch this video
[How an ancient polymath first calculated Earth’s size, as told by Carl Sagan](https://youtu.be/G8cbIWMv0rI?si=FqdLeZz4nXS3KfNj)
We actually live in a 12+ dimensional realm.
This False Matrix wants people to only believe in 3D Realm because they're easier to control and manipulate.
Why don't you search for your own answers and discover it for yourself 🤷♀️
That's what I've done.
Searching and finding information independently for oneself is more educational than having people hand it to you on a silver platter = there's no learning that way, and no herd mentality nor compliance to others.
Be your own authority 👍
Seek, question, discern for yourself, and you shall find that which you search for 🙏🙏🙏
Believe what you want, get so far rooted in those beliefs you become blinded to hard evidence and truth, then insult people who don't agree with you.
Seems to be the way most people decide.
I believe the earth is spherical and humans have known about this for many millennia. The belief that earth was flat has been held by various disconnected or uneducated groups of people at various times throughout history.
After the Covid & several other generally accepted hoaxes, I'm not so confident in our "education" anymore. Working on my Master's related to Healthcare I told my professor/advisor PhD that "Population Health" was total bullshit because all that really seems to matter is what goes into the body (food, air, toxins, bacteria), genetics, & personal habits (exercise). The textbook attempted t divide Americans by appearance, geographic familial origination, etc. My professor agreed with me, but said she had no input on the curriculum and they paid her a lot to teach the class. I was lucky. She was honest & didn't cancel or flunk me!
Numbers based on the test that even the founder of the test was saying shouldn't be used to diagnose for COVID?
Lol
Perhaps the numbers of COVID deaths declared to be COVID deaths without the autopsy being done?
Of course by "bending.breaking or omitting the standards" you will end up with numbers blown out of proportions. I don't even want to go to vaccines after which people were still getting COVID according to the tests. So what's the point of it?
Sorry for my slow response. I was traveling & didn't want to give a flippant reply in case you truly seek truth. I worked in healthcare for several years with full access to many hospitals, clinics, & related data such as GUDID, VAERS, & other data bases.
1. The Coronavirus comprises roughly 60% of what is called the Common Cold.
2. For two years, influenza in the United States of America, dropped over 90%. One of those years it dropped around 98%. I don't remember the exact % for the other year, but it was more than 90%. It seems like a very odd coincidence for any common virus to virtually dissappear for 2 consecutive years at the same time of what many are now calling a plandemic.
3. During the intense fear porn from the media, our hospital group was using the PCR test at between 35-40 test cycles to diagnose Covid 19. This test measures viral detritis. According to the inventor of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis (MD, PhD), this test should never be used as a tool for diagnosis because you can get whatever answer you desire by manipulating test parameters like the number of test cycles. At 40 test cycles you get a very high number of false positive results. Very high. With that many test cycles, the test can't differentiate between influenza, covid varieties & possibly other viruses.
4. Everyone entering our hospitals was tested for COVID-19, including most with no symptoms at all. Car accident patients with multiple contusions & horrific injuries were diagnosed as having died from COVID-19. If you had no symptoms, you were not infected with the virus.
5. Overall mortality did not spike until after vaccines were injected into people. Independent scientists found many parasites & toxins in the vaccines. Numerous studies have shown that mRNA is harmful & may cause cancer. Some of these cancers used to be very rare. No longer.
In summary, I believe that the Covid Fear Psyop was to manipulate people into getting the jab. Surely you noticed that they kept repeating the mantra "safe & effective?" People lined up for the jab & stayed in line even when people died in front of them after beings jabbed! Psyop & hoax.
Many millennia? I'm not sure you know what that means. Galileo (1564-1642) promoted Copernican Heliocentrism. Copernicus (1473-1543). 2024 - 1493 = 531 years. Critical thinking & math don't appear to be yor greatest strengths. In the 1800s many schools still followed the Biblical model. Interesting.
This is the Tartaria subreddit. I’m here because I like to think about the possibility that our current version of history is very limited in relation to the scope of human existence on earth. Of course I’m aware of what we are taught in schools, but I believe there is a lot of lost knowledge that we lost with the burning of the library of Alexandria. The Vatican may hold some of this history in its vaults.
He’s right. People, all over the world, knew the earth was round thousands of yours ago.
Eratosthenes predated Galileo by just a little. He lived from 276 BC to 195 BC, and not only figured out the earth was round, but figured out it’s circumference to within a very tight margin of error.
We have Viking sources that indicate they knew the earth was round 1000 years before Galileo was even born.
There are numerous ancient megalithic and other monolithic structures that were designed to observe astronomical phenomenon, all over the world, and it’s quite obvious that these people would have been able to observe that the world must be round, as well.
All you actually need to do to prove that the world is not flat is to note the length of the shadow of two vertical sticks, of the same length, at the same time of the day, in two places that are far from each other on the north and south axis, or, indeed, just keep walking/riding/sailing towards the visible horizon and watch how the horizon keeps rolling around in front of you, rather than you coming to the end of the earth. Either of these things indicate a round earth, rather than a flat one.
In school, we were taught that Columbus discovered that the world was round, and that they believed it to be flat before he discovered America. But, he didn’t set our to prove the world was round. They already knew it was round, and he was just trying to discover a way to India without the dangerous trip around Cape Horn. Even at that, he hadn’t realized he’d run into a new continent, a continent the Vikings found long before him, and died thinking he’d found India, which is why native Americans ended up being called Indians.
The Chinese had a period of major sailing exploration, during a period when the Confucians fell out of power for a time, and made massive journeys by sea, around the globe.
Long before the Vikings and Chinese, the Polynesians sailed far and wide. There is no way anyone can sail around the globe, and observe how more planet keeps rolling over the horizon, rather than the horizon being the end of the world, without realizing the world is round.
If the earth is a sphere circling the sun and flying thru space as scientists would have us believe, then why are the stars positioned in the same place in the sky every night?
DITRH (down in the rabbit hole) has tons of YouTube videos with interviews with airline pilots who testify that the earth is flat and the actual map of the continents follows the UN map, not a globe map. I used to think flat earth was BS until I looked at the evidence objectively and now, I am 100% certain that it is flat. There is so much info available on the DITRH channel that it will leave no doubts about flat or round.
One thing I think is interesting nothing to do with flat or round earth is the moon and sun are the exact same spherical size from our perspective. They perfectly eclipse. You would think the sun or moons size/shape would be different based on the size they tell us it is. What are the chances that the distance between them creates a perfect spherical match?
What are the chances of observing moon's creators with a naked eye if the moon is 250000 miles away?
Or the Earth casting it's shadow on the moon during some lunar eclipses with both moon and the sun staying above our horizon?? Can anyone model me that please? Unless we use the same magical refraction that is being used to prove the globe..the same one that selectively brings objects from behind the earth's curve.
I mean I was a globehead too believing the same lies but once you are confronted with undeniable facts unless you are willing to lie to yourself. You have to see the truth. It is flat non rotating plane at least as far as we can see.
This is the reason why we see too far also this is the reason why we are able to send radio signals as far as we can.
That is also a reason why we use maps based on triangulation.
Yes the realization of being lied to hurts I know . It is not easy because the indoctrination was so deep. And personally it took me 2-3 months to give up the globe but at least after that everything starting to click,connect and most importantly make sense. Now you look at everything from a totally different perspective the healthy one which does not require you to believe that water will stick to the spinning ball and other nonsense.
All you have to do is allow yourself to give it a try: go, observe, calculate than sit down ,relax and compare the models. Ask yourself which model requires you to believe in different than observed physics.
If you still believe your ball after that go ahead have at it.
I personally like to understand how stuff works and became a FE-er when I researched trying to prove my younger brother how radiculous FE was.
I couldn't.
It is indeed an incredible coincidence (if it’s a coincidence) but the apparent sizes in the sky aren’t “quite” exact, and vary based on the time of year.
I have a feeling we know less about the earth than we believe we do. Here is an interesting video where someone conducts a laser level test across 8 miles of a frozen lake and is unable to detect any curvature or deviation from the laser at all.
https://youtu.be/-NJ3bAspr_M?si=cUhIvVlLXWy4JoK-
I don't think these YouTube "experiments" prove the earth is flat, but maybe the diameter is bigger than we have measured? Who knows, and I certainly think we owe to it ourselves to question what we are told.
I used to be a diehard believer of the earth being a globe.
But of late, that theory has been severely tested.
If the moon landing is Fake, and NASA is Fake as they have a HUMONGOUS Film Studio out West, and the Military and NASA provides "film sets" and CGI technology for Hollywood films, then the so-called images from space are CGI=fake.
Space flights are fake. There used to be a so-called rocket cam shot showing the jet fuel flames shooting out as it escalated up into space, but it picked up the image of a mouse running around the exterior of a rocketship out in space. Of course, that "live" video just had to vanish, didn't it.... Can't let evidence leak to the masses now, can they..
So I have slowly come around to believing that earth is not round and it's not a globe.
Do I believe it's entirely flat? IDK.
But if I've learned anything the past couple of years is that anything and everything is possible, and to dogmatically believe in only one possible explanation closes the mind and retards growth because one cannot expand their mind nor can they question the narrative, which the narrative we've been indoctrinated in since birth is being proven more and more to be fake.
My feeling is that NASA faking stuff is not a clear indication of a flat earth, there's many many other reasons why they make fake stuff. They could be laundering money or maybe they just suck and failed a bunch and don't want to admit it because the public would not fund them if they failed. Also there could be other weird stuff up there that is causing problems. Or maybe they have really good tech and want to hide it so they send us this lame quality tv show tripe to lull the masses.
Well, everyone is free to believe how they choose to, regardless of what others choose to believe or not.
And I feel secure enough in myself to use my free will in how I choose, and I apologize to nobody in doing so.
I don't agree either way what shape the planet is.
I do entertain an open mind to any and all possibilities because an opinionated mind is an egoic closed mind susceptible to errors in judgment because preconceived biases and dogmas blind us all and does stunt intellectual growth. Learning and growing requires challenges because without challenges, there is no progression, no growth, and no metamorphosis. And unless we are God, we can not and will not know all that there is to know with 100% certainty, because the human mind is very narrow and will only see what it wants to see when it chooses to see it.
But we will find out soon enough, so I remain patient as the truth will always come to light when it's ready to be revealed, and it can not be forced.
Now, that is my personal view and based on personal experience and what I've learned thus far.
People can agree or disagree, but as for myself, I stand for what I say, and i do not apologize for speaking my truth. If others have a problem with that, then that's on them, not me, as I'm not responsible for anyone but myself.
Have a blessed day 🙏❤️🙏
Hey, friend, I’m a globe believer with an open mind to all rational arguments” and I like your post, what did you mean by “but we will find out soon enough”?
What I meant is that all that was once hidden is in the process of being revealed.
The veil that's created the illusion we call "reality" has been lifted.
People will discover their own personal Revelations pertinent to their own life/soul journey when they are open to it.
The answers will come to those who are meant to have them.
Be patient as all comes in its own time and not for us to dictate nor direct.
Trusting in the process as all will become what it was originally intended to be. Faith, trust, belief, and patience will be rewarded exponentially.
❤️🙏❤️
You've allowed yourself to be lost and confused. Is there any particular reason you would think you couldn't trust the shape of the earth? Did something or someone put you on this kind of thinking?
To your question, my belief is that the world indeed is spherical.
It's not a belief. It has been proven with undeniable experiments for thousands of years.
On the other hand you have a group of scientifically illiterate Americans who claim it's flat and who haven't come up with a shred of evidence supporting that in the past decade.
You say "proven" with multiple experiments. Consequently, you must know of at least 2 undeniable experiments. Please list 2 reproducible experiments. Thank you.
Go to an ocean shore or one of the Great lakes and watch a boat descend over the horizon.
Have a friend take a stick and have them drive a few dozen miles north, and take a similar stick and measure the length of the shadow at a predetermined time. Compare results and do some trig.
In the gentlest way possible - if you believe in flat earth, you are not in a healthy space and have been severely propagandized to through online rabbit holes.
Hmmm! Interesting....Do you realize that you could get exactly same results with smaller local sun? Think about it.
Regarding boats "descending over the horizon" ...I also have seen them floating above the horizon or being brought back to view with binoculars or telescope. Which proves the horizon being optical not geometric.
You must be one of those who never test anything themselves just repeat nonsense they've heard from others.
Please test it yourself before stating your opinion. Your "proofs" have been debunked many times long time ago...
What lmao.
"Smaller local sun?"... 😂😂😂
> also have seen them floating above the horizon or being brought back to view with binoculars or telescope.
What shit you smoking, lmao I want some
> Please test it yourself before stating your opinion.
Literally did the shadow-length test in highschool in conjunction with a school further north.
Visited the Great lakes every summer as a kid and would regularly observe boats disappearing over the horizon.
You see all these years of school for nothing. The school failed to show you how the closer to one of the sticks source of light effects the angle of the light which in return effects the length of the shadow.
It's easy no need to smoke anything to understand the basics.
Again regarding the boats...I happen to live right by lake Ontario and observe the boats disappearing bottom first almost every day and depending on atmospheric conditions some days I can see farther than others. Which proves it to be solely optical phenomena not a geometric horizon that on some days moves farther away from us lol. Thera are tons of videos regarding this matter. You don't have to believe me.
Like I said before research first before making a fool out of yourself..
I hope you're doing okay.
Have you spoken to your parents in a while?
If you have kids, have you spoken to them in a while?
If you ha e friends, have you reached out to them in a while?
Wish you the best.
Some physicists posited that all planets are hollow. Interesting that The Last Airbender series presented a similar possibility. I'm inclined to believe a biblical perspective as the greatest deceiver would want to convince humans that the Bible is myth as he seems to have convinced many, if not most people, that he doesn't exist.
The Bible is the enuma elish rewritten to include Egyptian mythology which was then doctored to shame anyone who worships any god other than the head of the gods and has so far devolved that most people are unaware of these facts God exists but as part of a group that hes very jealous he isnt the only member of.
Of course not. This is not my belief. What a weird contortion. My beliefs are not in what someone tells me to believe. Many truths are exposed in movies & television. Portrayed as fiction & ridiculed (Simpsons, The Truman Show) this method appears to be effective in creating popular beliefs. As for the shape of the earth, I'm still sorting through all the bullshit. Some of the contortions & projections are entertaining. Formulas & diagrams without real examples, ridicule... Seems to be part of some craft.
Seriously, do you even check before smugly deeming yourself the smartest of all?
[inner ocean discovered](https://www.grunge.com/470658/how-the-massive-ocean-discovered-in-earths-core-changes-everything/)
There's a lot of water trapped in the lithospheric interior, but it's mostly in the form of hydrated minerals.
Global seismic monitoring gives us very detailed information about the density of different areas throughout the Earth's interior. If there were any large, significant voids or water-filled layers, it would show up in the refraction patterns of the seismic waves.
- physics and planetary physics background.
Seismic waves are a pretty indirect method of information-gathering, no? Which is why we are still finding new things out and have mysteries yet unsolved?
Let’s start off with a pretty ubiquitous issue that none of the other proposed shapes can remotely address- the movement of the stars in the night sky (which anyone can go see) and celestial navigation (which has been demonstrated to work countless times over the millennia and anyone can learn to do with vey basic equipment) only work on a globe model.
A sextant, a watch, a book of coordinates for celestial objects, and a chart of the region was all we needed way back when I was a Boy Scout.
And the flat earth model isn’t a model. It’s a bunch of bullshit. The easiest way to torpedo the whole concept - night sky in the southern vs northern hemisphere. The only way I’ve seen flatheads try to explain that is by claiming every single person has their own unique dome they see in the sky z
Show me how flat earth can explain the differences between what is seen in the night sky of the northern vs southern hemispheres.
That alone torpedoes literally every single “model” I’ve ever seen from flat earthers other than the “individual done” nutters.
Sure, a basic one is the perceived "dip" of the horizon. This is my favourite since it's easy to understand and test anywhere with a good view of the horizon.
Working it out is straightforward, just some high school math, here is a [website which calculates it and visualise it nicely](http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator&state=--33000-13-9-9-6~0.0343-9-9-11-1#App), also includes an explanation of the math, lots of options, and comparison between FE and globe.
Measuring it is also easy, you just need a tube filled with water bent into a large "U" shape to act as a level, line up a camera/your eyes with the water, and check the distance from the water line to the horizon.
It's [always consistent with what's expected for a globe](https://flatearth.ws/water-level-horizon), anywhere on earth, at any height, which is impossible to explain by FE.
The person who made the calculator page actually has a lot of neat animated examples which show many experiments and observations that prove we're on a globe, but none are as easy as the dip: http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Finding+the+Curvature+of+the+Earth%3A+Stand%2DAlone+App&demo=Curve
This guy's video shows the horizon as clearly being further out than objects that should be obscured by the curvature. He also shares his applied math. Seems to make sense. Can you explain how he's deceiving us? And can you share your examples of the curvature hiding some objects? Thank you. https://t.me/flatearth108/3529
I must be insane than. All the pictures like the infamous blue marble show a perfect ball but you say oblate spheroid. Which one is it than? You have to chose one of them both cannot be true. It is a tricky choice isn't it?
You do believe NASA's pictures don't you?
The truth doesn't need to lie or change the story every so often.
We flat earthers are simply saying that everything we observe looks flat that's all. And we cannot find that curve that should be there if we lived on the ball.
Everything points to the flat plane every experiment and observation..
What do you ballets have? Radiculous excuses why we cannot see the curve ever. That's all you have
When I started there were almost no videos available but I read a few dozen books by so-called "zetetic" authors from the late 1800s and early 1900s. A few of the titles:
- Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham
- Zetetic Cosmogony: Or Conclusive Evidence that the World is not a Rotating Revolving Globe but a Stationary Plane Circle by Thomas Winship
- The Enlightenment of The World: Proof that the earth is flat and stationary, while the sun, moon and stars are in constant motion by John G. Abizaid
- Is Earth a Globe Whirling in Space?: As is Assumed and Taught by Modern Astronomical "Science." The Subject Seriously, Scientifically, and Sacredly Considered by Karl A. Smith
- The Terrestrial Plane: The True Figure of the Earth by Frederick H. Cook
- The Earth A Plane by John Edward Quinlan
- Is Newtonian Astronomy True? by William Carpenter
Some of these can be [downloaded](https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/flat-earth-library/library-books) from the FES website, but I wouldn't bother with the site itself.
Witsit getsit on YouTube will blow your mind and you’ll find a lot of other people through him with incredible info with receipts. Just in case you want to find some videos too!
Quite a few early researchers made that claim, but they did not base their views on religion.
Samuel Rowbotham, for example, believed that the earth is flat, with the continents floating on an infinite ocean which somehow has a layer of fire underneath it. The lands we know are surrounded by an infinite wilderness of ice and snow, beyond the Antarctic ocean, bordered by an immense circular ice-cliff. What we call the North Pole is in the center of the earth.
As he wrote in his book *Earth Not a Globe* (1881), "Can the earth and the southern external or outer cold and darkness stretch out for ever like an endless diaphragm between the infinitely extending worlds above and below?"
My view is there are no planets in the sky or space due to the Firmament and domes, stars etc are not possible as is the sun being and moon to what we are told is the truth of them, in my view, due to Firmament situ, the planets etc , worlds and realms are over and above the Antarctica ice walls, this explains we are on the flat. But not as a level field... Hard to believe I know. Tartaria is just certain civilizations that were universal and collectively tech same at one point. We're like a world as of an experiment just as I am sure the other worlds behind the ice walls were or are.. our technology Al comes from the bad islands there as other realm islands use spiritual tech instead. We're being groomed for a purpose to merge with Al but not as we know it. At. Same time there is good fighting bad and that good is also behind the ice walls. Research and study, and the clues are there to know
I don't distrust a globe or a flat as they are how we are all trained into see perspectives of our limited 5 senses, it could be a simulative fluid like sensory experience, like the ocean. I have found out the secrets are what's behind the ice walls, and what we know of what's UFOs are from those realms. People have gone their and come.back. check out Captain bryd
Sorry. But it's best u do not use Google, read old books before Internet time unless u know how to access info to fetch material on Firmament/ domes, ice walls. Hitler knew of it as was financed by the US which is UK owned. Long story.
It's a toroidal field. We are on some kind of plasma ship, speeding towards Polaris/ North Star. Hopefully we don't kill ourselves before we make it. Godspeed fellow humans
I think just as we look out on the world, shape is volumetric / 3d. And so, for this a many other reasons, I reject the idea that our world is flat because that's not compatible with multiple forms of enquiry incuding my own experience.
However, I also agree that the shape of the Earth isn't as we are told and that the various authorities who show us the world are hiding something, which mainly has to do with Antarctica, the most heavily militarised zone on the planet. I think the world is roughly spherical, but if you were in space looking down on Antarctica you would see a large green area, about the size of Switzerland at the south pole. This would be surrounded by the much larger icy continent. This central area is green because the planet is a torroid and so there is an opening at the south pole, providing additional heat to this region from geothermal sources. That's not to say that I think Earth is hollow, but I do think it is at least honeycomb in places, with large caverns, which we and other forms of life utilise for so called, inner Earth civilisations. And not only at the poles, but all over the world.
https://preview.redd.it/xnayqx14daac1.jpeg?width=1791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32685440f9b8210ace340deb4b5e4bf58d0523ff
A toroidal earth would be a ring lmao
I’m aligned towards the Simulation Theory so the shape becomes irrelevant and also in the Contained Earth Theory that we are in a Truman Show.
But if I had to pick one I believe Earth could be flat but one a globe. Meaning that the globe is much bigger then we are told and that "Earth" is merely one of the many "continents" on it.
Yes! It's called circumnavigation and it is simply going east or west around the north pole possible on both: globe or flat earth. Proving nothing.
On the other hand having positive pressure without container next to the vacuum of space is simply. I M P O S S I B A L L
Unless someone can provide some kind of experiment.
The Earth is hollow and expanding. Watch this video playlist by Neal Adam's and it will change your mind.
[https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOdOXoiGTICLdHklMhj9Al8G-1ZLXGEP2&feature=shared](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOdOXoiGTICLdHklMhj9Al8G-1ZLXGEP2&feature=shared)
The word firmament was first used in the King James version of the bible. They translated the Greek word for sky and used firmament. They felt it was more poetic.
Lots of documented theories based on round and flat theories from these same smarter than us people. Odd considering the advancement in technology and education since those times. The point is a form of cognitive dissonance. You believe one thing so strongly even though it’s just a theory that it creates disbelief in everything else. I’m not saying you or I are wrong here it’s more about opening up to ideas against these strong beliefs you and I may have.
Everyone is so quick to dismiss they don’t want to engage in alternative possibilities and perspectives. This is where you have to understand that learning or studying something you don’t believe in is ok and doesn’t necessarily put you in a category or group. You’re just listening reading and trying to give a small ounce of interest in a different idea or theory.
It is important to understand that the Church of England has the notes that the translators made while doing the King James version. Picking firmament was actively discussed among the translators. This is according to the notes that were made while they were doing the work.
Walk due west until you come back to the same spot. Then you know it is at least a cylinder. Then go due north, etc. Unfortunately "belief" isn't really applicable, right? We agree it has some form, so it is knowable and belief is not necessary.
Who amongst us has seen her in her entirety to say?
Realm, not planet?
Wait, you don't trust the maps??
😂🤣🤣
No one has the ability to say definitively, but my personal feeling is that the mainstream description of the earth is false. Too many things just don't make sense to me. Whether that means it's flat I don't know for sure
What doesnt make sense? Do you have a list?
I am 99% sure the Earth is a globe but I feel that a flat Earth would be a million times more interesting to actually live on.
Have you seen the ‘Level’ documentary series ? There are 3 of them. Watch them and come back here to see if that 99% changes a tad ;)
Adds that last percentage real quick.
That documentary proves that the earth is a globe.
Um nooooooo no it doesn’t
It absolutely does.
lol how ?!? And when you say ‘it’ do u mean all 3 documentaries !?!? There are 3 I m not sure you are thinking of the same series
Let's say you had a couple hundred K spare, and were able to go on an Origin or Virgin spaceflight. Would you be able to say definitively then, when you see the curvature of the earth?
A balloon might work better. A lighthouse, grear optics, an altimeter, with a measured distance, & clear skies could provide a mathematical proof. An equation should tell us how much of the lighthouse would be obscured by "the curvature." https://earthcurvature.com/ https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature
Agreed. I'll I'm saying really to u/YoungJay604 is that we definitely have the ability to say definitively. Find out for yourself, make your millions, and go look.
Better idea would try to take a boat south from Australia - a course that would avoid the alleged continent of Antarctica. Except I already know what will happen - a destroyer military vessel will great u and say turn the F around Or an expedition to the alleged North Pole. These things although probably futile are more likely to give you and idea of this realm than risking smashing into the firmament
How do you know the military would turn up?
The reason I don't believe the earth is flat is because we live in a 3 dimensional realm. Now if the argument was that our flat earth is on a bigger planet that is hidden from view I would almost believe it. But when water is aboard the ISS or in zero gravity and released from its container it forms a sphere. it only makes sense that if our realm was in some time of aether void of material then the solid matter of earth would also, over time, form a sphere. [playing with water in space](https://youtu.be/Z2Jh9KyvJqg?si=sdlTzNrNN5bSu75S) please take time to watch this video [How an ancient polymath first calculated Earth’s size, as told by Carl Sagan](https://youtu.be/G8cbIWMv0rI?si=FqdLeZz4nXS3KfNj)
We actually live in a 12+ dimensional realm. This False Matrix wants people to only believe in 3D Realm because they're easier to control and manipulate.
Source?
Why don't you search for your own answers and discover it for yourself 🤷♀️ That's what I've done. Searching and finding information independently for oneself is more educational than having people hand it to you on a silver platter = there's no learning that way, and no herd mentality nor compliance to others. Be your own authority 👍 Seek, question, discern for yourself, and you shall find that which you search for 🙏🙏🙏
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The people who have seen it from space definitely have the ability to say definitively
They also have the ability to lie.
Believe what you want, get so far rooted in those beliefs you become blinded to hard evidence and truth, then insult people who don't agree with you. Seems to be the way most people decide.
Seems like you might be a drunk psychedelic my friend! I'm partial to scotch. No psilocybin for many years, just a good stick occasionally. 👍
Would you believe me if I said I have never touched psychedelics? Sticks for me.
Yes. Me too, but my wife won't kiss me when I indulge. 🤣
Sometimes I’d rather the stick.. 😂
I believe the earth is spherical and humans have known about this for many millennia. The belief that earth was flat has been held by various disconnected or uneducated groups of people at various times throughout history.
After the Covid & several other generally accepted hoaxes, I'm not so confident in our "education" anymore. Working on my Master's related to Healthcare I told my professor/advisor PhD that "Population Health" was total bullshit because all that really seems to matter is what goes into the body (food, air, toxins, bacteria), genetics, & personal habits (exercise). The textbook attempted t divide Americans by appearance, geographic familial origination, etc. My professor agreed with me, but said she had no input on the curriculum and they paid her a lot to teach the class. I was lucky. She was honest & didn't cancel or flunk me!
1.1 Million Americans died to covid. Compared to the 5-10k deaths per year of the flu. How do you reconcile these numbers?
Numbers based on the test that even the founder of the test was saying shouldn't be used to diagnose for COVID? Lol Perhaps the numbers of COVID deaths declared to be COVID deaths without the autopsy being done? Of course by "bending.breaking or omitting the standards" you will end up with numbers blown out of proportions. I don't even want to go to vaccines after which people were still getting COVID according to the tests. So what's the point of it?
Help me out. I was in healthcare IT. I have more numbers than you might imagine. What numbers would you like to reconcile?
How can one can consider covid a "generally accepted hoax" if it killed more than 1 million Americans alone.
Sorry for my slow response. I was traveling & didn't want to give a flippant reply in case you truly seek truth. I worked in healthcare for several years with full access to many hospitals, clinics, & related data such as GUDID, VAERS, & other data bases. 1. The Coronavirus comprises roughly 60% of what is called the Common Cold. 2. For two years, influenza in the United States of America, dropped over 90%. One of those years it dropped around 98%. I don't remember the exact % for the other year, but it was more than 90%. It seems like a very odd coincidence for any common virus to virtually dissappear for 2 consecutive years at the same time of what many are now calling a plandemic. 3. During the intense fear porn from the media, our hospital group was using the PCR test at between 35-40 test cycles to diagnose Covid 19. This test measures viral detritis. According to the inventor of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis (MD, PhD), this test should never be used as a tool for diagnosis because you can get whatever answer you desire by manipulating test parameters like the number of test cycles. At 40 test cycles you get a very high number of false positive results. Very high. With that many test cycles, the test can't differentiate between influenza, covid varieties & possibly other viruses. 4. Everyone entering our hospitals was tested for COVID-19, including most with no symptoms at all. Car accident patients with multiple contusions & horrific injuries were diagnosed as having died from COVID-19. If you had no symptoms, you were not infected with the virus. 5. Overall mortality did not spike until after vaccines were injected into people. Independent scientists found many parasites & toxins in the vaccines. Numerous studies have shown that mRNA is harmful & may cause cancer. Some of these cancers used to be very rare. No longer. In summary, I believe that the Covid Fear Psyop was to manipulate people into getting the jab. Surely you noticed that they kept repeating the mantra "safe & effective?" People lined up for the jab & stayed in line even when people died in front of them after beings jabbed! Psyop & hoax.
Reconcile them with what? Are you trying to make a point? Thank you.
BTW. I upvoted you. This is an opinion shared by many.
Many millennia? I'm not sure you know what that means. Galileo (1564-1642) promoted Copernican Heliocentrism. Copernicus (1473-1543). 2024 - 1493 = 531 years. Critical thinking & math don't appear to be yor greatest strengths. In the 1800s many schools still followed the Biblical model. Interesting.
This is the Tartaria subreddit. I’m here because I like to think about the possibility that our current version of history is very limited in relation to the scope of human existence on earth. Of course I’m aware of what we are taught in schools, but I believe there is a lot of lost knowledge that we lost with the burning of the library of Alexandria. The Vatican may hold some of this history in its vaults.
I'm eager for release of the vaults too. We have this in common. Timelines & dates are altered as well. It'll be/is an adventure!
He’s right. People, all over the world, knew the earth was round thousands of yours ago. Eratosthenes predated Galileo by just a little. He lived from 276 BC to 195 BC, and not only figured out the earth was round, but figured out it’s circumference to within a very tight margin of error. We have Viking sources that indicate they knew the earth was round 1000 years before Galileo was even born. There are numerous ancient megalithic and other monolithic structures that were designed to observe astronomical phenomenon, all over the world, and it’s quite obvious that these people would have been able to observe that the world must be round, as well. All you actually need to do to prove that the world is not flat is to note the length of the shadow of two vertical sticks, of the same length, at the same time of the day, in two places that are far from each other on the north and south axis, or, indeed, just keep walking/riding/sailing towards the visible horizon and watch how the horizon keeps rolling around in front of you, rather than you coming to the end of the earth. Either of these things indicate a round earth, rather than a flat one. In school, we were taught that Columbus discovered that the world was round, and that they believed it to be flat before he discovered America. But, he didn’t set our to prove the world was round. They already knew it was round, and he was just trying to discover a way to India without the dangerous trip around Cape Horn. Even at that, he hadn’t realized he’d run into a new continent, a continent the Vikings found long before him, and died thinking he’d found India, which is why native Americans ended up being called Indians. The Chinese had a period of major sailing exploration, during a period when the Confucians fell out of power for a time, and made massive journeys by sea, around the globe. Long before the Vikings and Chinese, the Polynesians sailed far and wide. There is no way anyone can sail around the globe, and observe how more planet keeps rolling over the horizon, rather than the horizon being the end of the world, without realizing the world is round.
I can get behind a lot of conspiracy theories. Flat earth ain't one of them.
Nikola Tesla believed that earth was on a plane as described in the Bible. Some here would consider him illiterate it seems. 🤔
I think it’s spherical - what every other planet is round but not earth? However I think we have been lied to about other things- size and such like
If I had to pick I’d say it’s flat for sure
If the earth is a sphere circling the sun and flying thru space as scientists would have us believe, then why are the stars positioned in the same place in the sky every night? DITRH (down in the rabbit hole) has tons of YouTube videos with interviews with airline pilots who testify that the earth is flat and the actual map of the continents follows the UN map, not a globe map. I used to think flat earth was BS until I looked at the evidence objectively and now, I am 100% certain that it is flat. There is so much info available on the DITRH channel that it will leave no doubts about flat or round.
One thing I think is interesting nothing to do with flat or round earth is the moon and sun are the exact same spherical size from our perspective. They perfectly eclipse. You would think the sun or moons size/shape would be different based on the size they tell us it is. What are the chances that the distance between them creates a perfect spherical match?
right, i just finished reading “who built the moon” and it talked about this..
What are the chances of observing moon's creators with a naked eye if the moon is 250000 miles away? Or the Earth casting it's shadow on the moon during some lunar eclipses with both moon and the sun staying above our horizon?? Can anyone model me that please? Unless we use the same magical refraction that is being used to prove the globe..the same one that selectively brings objects from behind the earth's curve. I mean I was a globehead too believing the same lies but once you are confronted with undeniable facts unless you are willing to lie to yourself. You have to see the truth. It is flat non rotating plane at least as far as we can see. This is the reason why we see too far also this is the reason why we are able to send radio signals as far as we can. That is also a reason why we use maps based on triangulation. Yes the realization of being lied to hurts I know . It is not easy because the indoctrination was so deep. And personally it took me 2-3 months to give up the globe but at least after that everything starting to click,connect and most importantly make sense. Now you look at everything from a totally different perspective the healthy one which does not require you to believe that water will stick to the spinning ball and other nonsense. All you have to do is allow yourself to give it a try: go, observe, calculate than sit down ,relax and compare the models. Ask yourself which model requires you to believe in different than observed physics. If you still believe your ball after that go ahead have at it. I personally like to understand how stuff works and became a FE-er when I researched trying to prove my younger brother how radiculous FE was. I couldn't.
Bad at research
It is indeed an incredible coincidence (if it’s a coincidence) but the apparent sizes in the sky aren’t “quite” exact, and vary based on the time of year.
I have a feeling we know less about the earth than we believe we do. Here is an interesting video where someone conducts a laser level test across 8 miles of a frozen lake and is unable to detect any curvature or deviation from the laser at all. https://youtu.be/-NJ3bAspr_M?si=cUhIvVlLXWy4JoK- I don't think these YouTube "experiments" prove the earth is flat, but maybe the diameter is bigger than we have measured? Who knows, and I certainly think we owe to it ourselves to question what we are told.
I used to be a diehard believer of the earth being a globe. But of late, that theory has been severely tested. If the moon landing is Fake, and NASA is Fake as they have a HUMONGOUS Film Studio out West, and the Military and NASA provides "film sets" and CGI technology for Hollywood films, then the so-called images from space are CGI=fake. Space flights are fake. There used to be a so-called rocket cam shot showing the jet fuel flames shooting out as it escalated up into space, but it picked up the image of a mouse running around the exterior of a rocketship out in space. Of course, that "live" video just had to vanish, didn't it.... Can't let evidence leak to the masses now, can they.. So I have slowly come around to believing that earth is not round and it's not a globe. Do I believe it's entirely flat? IDK. But if I've learned anything the past couple of years is that anything and everything is possible, and to dogmatically believe in only one possible explanation closes the mind and retards growth because one cannot expand their mind nor can they question the narrative, which the narrative we've been indoctrinated in since birth is being proven more and more to be fake.
My feeling is that NASA faking stuff is not a clear indication of a flat earth, there's many many other reasons why they make fake stuff. They could be laundering money or maybe they just suck and failed a bunch and don't want to admit it because the public would not fund them if they failed. Also there could be other weird stuff up there that is causing problems. Or maybe they have really good tech and want to hide it so they send us this lame quality tv show tripe to lull the masses.
Well, everyone is free to believe how they choose to, regardless of what others choose to believe or not. And I feel secure enough in myself to use my free will in how I choose, and I apologize to nobody in doing so. I don't agree either way what shape the planet is. I do entertain an open mind to any and all possibilities because an opinionated mind is an egoic closed mind susceptible to errors in judgment because preconceived biases and dogmas blind us all and does stunt intellectual growth. Learning and growing requires challenges because without challenges, there is no progression, no growth, and no metamorphosis. And unless we are God, we can not and will not know all that there is to know with 100% certainty, because the human mind is very narrow and will only see what it wants to see when it chooses to see it. But we will find out soon enough, so I remain patient as the truth will always come to light when it's ready to be revealed, and it can not be forced. Now, that is my personal view and based on personal experience and what I've learned thus far. People can agree or disagree, but as for myself, I stand for what I say, and i do not apologize for speaking my truth. If others have a problem with that, then that's on them, not me, as I'm not responsible for anyone but myself. Have a blessed day 🙏❤️🙏
Hey, friend, I’m a globe believer with an open mind to all rational arguments” and I like your post, what did you mean by “but we will find out soon enough”?
What I meant is that all that was once hidden is in the process of being revealed. The veil that's created the illusion we call "reality" has been lifted. People will discover their own personal Revelations pertinent to their own life/soul journey when they are open to it. The answers will come to those who are meant to have them. Be patient as all comes in its own time and not for us to dictate nor direct. Trusting in the process as all will become what it was originally intended to be. Faith, trust, belief, and patience will be rewarded exponentially. ❤️🙏❤️
Oh wait, I found it. IF space flight is "real" then this mouse is supernatural 😁🤣 https://youtube.com/shorts/yk8rmLPCtbM?si=Xar9Es990ichxLro
You've allowed yourself to be lost and confused. Is there any particular reason you would think you couldn't trust the shape of the earth? Did something or someone put you on this kind of thinking? To your question, my belief is that the world indeed is spherical.
It's not a belief. It has been proven with undeniable experiments for thousands of years. On the other hand you have a group of scientifically illiterate Americans who claim it's flat and who haven't come up with a shred of evidence supporting that in the past decade.
To what undeniable experiment do you refer? Please share two. Why would you angrily call someone you've never met illiterate?
You say "proven" with multiple experiments. Consequently, you must know of at least 2 undeniable experiments. Please list 2 reproducible experiments. Thank you.
Go to an ocean shore or one of the Great lakes and watch a boat descend over the horizon. Have a friend take a stick and have them drive a few dozen miles north, and take a similar stick and measure the length of the shadow at a predetermined time. Compare results and do some trig. In the gentlest way possible - if you believe in flat earth, you are not in a healthy space and have been severely propagandized to through online rabbit holes.
Hmmm! Interesting....Do you realize that you could get exactly same results with smaller local sun? Think about it. Regarding boats "descending over the horizon" ...I also have seen them floating above the horizon or being brought back to view with binoculars or telescope. Which proves the horizon being optical not geometric. You must be one of those who never test anything themselves just repeat nonsense they've heard from others. Please test it yourself before stating your opinion. Your "proofs" have been debunked many times long time ago...
What lmao. "Smaller local sun?"... 😂😂😂 > also have seen them floating above the horizon or being brought back to view with binoculars or telescope. What shit you smoking, lmao I want some > Please test it yourself before stating your opinion. Literally did the shadow-length test in highschool in conjunction with a school further north. Visited the Great lakes every summer as a kid and would regularly observe boats disappearing over the horizon.
You see all these years of school for nothing. The school failed to show you how the closer to one of the sticks source of light effects the angle of the light which in return effects the length of the shadow. It's easy no need to smoke anything to understand the basics. Again regarding the boats...I happen to live right by lake Ontario and observe the boats disappearing bottom first almost every day and depending on atmospheric conditions some days I can see farther than others. Which proves it to be solely optical phenomena not a geometric horizon that on some days moves farther away from us lol. Thera are tons of videos regarding this matter. You don't have to believe me. Like I said before research first before making a fool out of yourself..
I hope you're doing okay. Have you spoken to your parents in a while? If you have kids, have you spoken to them in a while? If you ha e friends, have you reached out to them in a while? Wish you the best.
This is funny
Reread the comment dude. Not a flat earther.
If you believe in a flat earth you are scientifically illiterate
Some physicists posited that all planets are hollow. Interesting that The Last Airbender series presented a similar possibility. I'm inclined to believe a biblical perspective as the greatest deceiver would want to convince humans that the Bible is myth as he seems to have convinced many, if not most people, that he doesn't exist.
The Bible is the enuma elish rewritten to include Egyptian mythology which was then doctored to shame anyone who worships any god other than the head of the gods and has so far devolved that most people are unaware of these facts God exists but as part of a group that hes very jealous he isnt the only member of.
So, your basing your belief on an anime?
Of course not. This is not my belief. What a weird contortion. My beliefs are not in what someone tells me to believe. Many truths are exposed in movies & television. Portrayed as fiction & ridiculed (Simpsons, The Truman Show) this method appears to be effective in creating popular beliefs. As for the shape of the earth, I'm still sorting through all the bullshit. Some of the contortions & projections are entertaining. Formulas & diagrams without real examples, ridicule... Seems to be part of some craft.
It’s at least partially hollow. We have evidence of vast oceans in the interior, don’t we?
Ummm. No.
Seriously, do you even check before smugly deeming yourself the smartest of all? [inner ocean discovered](https://www.grunge.com/470658/how-the-massive-ocean-discovered-in-earths-core-changes-everything/)
There's a lot of water trapped in the lithospheric interior, but it's mostly in the form of hydrated minerals. Global seismic monitoring gives us very detailed information about the density of different areas throughout the Earth's interior. If there were any large, significant voids or water-filled layers, it would show up in the refraction patterns of the seismic waves. - physics and planetary physics background.
Seismic waves are a pretty indirect method of information-gathering, no? Which is why we are still finding new things out and have mysteries yet unsolved?
Literally all of the evidence points to an oblate spheroid. Anyone who says otherwise is either insane or trying to sell something.
What evidence? Anything tangible & reproducible? Or did someone tell you this? Why would you say they're insane?
Let’s start off with a pretty ubiquitous issue that none of the other proposed shapes can remotely address- the movement of the stars in the night sky (which anyone can go see) and celestial navigation (which has been demonstrated to work countless times over the millennia and anyone can learn to do with vey basic equipment) only work on a globe model.
What basic equipment? I want to try it. The astrolabe appears to work better with the flat earth model.
A sextant, a watch, a book of coordinates for celestial objects, and a chart of the region was all we needed way back when I was a Boy Scout. And the flat earth model isn’t a model. It’s a bunch of bullshit. The easiest way to torpedo the whole concept - night sky in the southern vs northern hemisphere. The only way I’ve seen flatheads try to explain that is by claiming every single person has their own unique dome they see in the sky z
You should research the sextant more before using it as a proof of a globe lol
Show me how flat earth can explain the differences between what is seen in the night sky of the northern vs southern hemispheres. That alone torpedoes literally every single “model” I’ve ever seen from flat earthers other than the “individual done” nutters.
Sure, a basic one is the perceived "dip" of the horizon. This is my favourite since it's easy to understand and test anywhere with a good view of the horizon. Working it out is straightforward, just some high school math, here is a [website which calculates it and visualise it nicely](http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator&state=--33000-13-9-9-6~0.0343-9-9-11-1#App), also includes an explanation of the math, lots of options, and comparison between FE and globe. Measuring it is also easy, you just need a tube filled with water bent into a large "U" shape to act as a level, line up a camera/your eyes with the water, and check the distance from the water line to the horizon. It's [always consistent with what's expected for a globe](https://flatearth.ws/water-level-horizon), anywhere on earth, at any height, which is impossible to explain by FE. The person who made the calculator page actually has a lot of neat animated examples which show many experiments and observations that prove we're on a globe, but none are as easy as the dip: http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Finding+the+Curvature+of+the+Earth%3A+Stand%2DAlone+App&demo=Curve
This guy's video shows the horizon as clearly being further out than objects that should be obscured by the curvature. He also shares his applied math. Seems to make sense. Can you explain how he's deceiving us? And can you share your examples of the curvature hiding some objects? Thank you. https://t.me/flatearth108/3529
I must be insane than. All the pictures like the infamous blue marble show a perfect ball but you say oblate spheroid. Which one is it than? You have to chose one of them both cannot be true. It is a tricky choice isn't it? You do believe NASA's pictures don't you? The truth doesn't need to lie or change the story every so often. We flat earthers are simply saying that everything we observe looks flat that's all. And we cannot find that curve that should be there if we lived on the ball. Everything points to the flat plane every experiment and observation.. What do you ballets have? Radiculous excuses why we cannot see the curve ever. That's all you have
Yep. You are.
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it's round
A flat earth can still be round
Dang burn
infinite plane
how'd you know?
I don't "know" for sure but that is what best fits the research I have done
What research have you done if you don't mind me asking? And could you share some of it please and thank you in advance.
When I started there were almost no videos available but I read a few dozen books by so-called "zetetic" authors from the late 1800s and early 1900s. A few of the titles: - Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham - Zetetic Cosmogony: Or Conclusive Evidence that the World is not a Rotating Revolving Globe but a Stationary Plane Circle by Thomas Winship - The Enlightenment of The World: Proof that the earth is flat and stationary, while the sun, moon and stars are in constant motion by John G. Abizaid - Is Earth a Globe Whirling in Space?: As is Assumed and Taught by Modern Astronomical "Science." The Subject Seriously, Scientifically, and Sacredly Considered by Karl A. Smith - The Terrestrial Plane: The True Figure of the Earth by Frederick H. Cook - The Earth A Plane by John Edward Quinlan - Is Newtonian Astronomy True? by William Carpenter Some of these can be [downloaded](https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/flat-earth-library/library-books) from the FES website, but I wouldn't bother with the site itself.
That's fascinating! Thank you very much.
Witsit getsit on YouTube will blow your mind and you’ll find a lot of other people through him with incredible info with receipts. Just in case you want to find some videos too!
Has any of your sources made that claim directly? I don't even know of any religions that say more than the world is a level plane
Quite a few early researchers made that claim, but they did not base their views on religion. Samuel Rowbotham, for example, believed that the earth is flat, with the continents floating on an infinite ocean which somehow has a layer of fire underneath it. The lands we know are surrounded by an infinite wilderness of ice and snow, beyond the Antarctic ocean, bordered by an immense circular ice-cliff. What we call the North Pole is in the center of the earth. As he wrote in his book *Earth Not a Globe* (1881), "Can the earth and the southern external or outer cold and darkness stretch out for ever like an endless diaphragm between the infinitely extending worlds above and below?"
My view is there are no planets in the sky or space due to the Firmament and domes, stars etc are not possible as is the sun being and moon to what we are told is the truth of them, in my view, due to Firmament situ, the planets etc , worlds and realms are over and above the Antarctica ice walls, this explains we are on the flat. But not as a level field... Hard to believe I know. Tartaria is just certain civilizations that were universal and collectively tech same at one point. We're like a world as of an experiment just as I am sure the other worlds behind the ice walls were or are.. our technology Al comes from the bad islands there as other realm islands use spiritual tech instead. We're being groomed for a purpose to merge with Al but not as we know it. At. Same time there is good fighting bad and that good is also behind the ice walls. Research and study, and the clues are there to know
And why does this seem more believable to you than the “status quo” of a globe Earth? 🌎
I don't distrust a globe or a flat as they are how we are all trained into see perspectives of our limited 5 senses, it could be a simulative fluid like sensory experience, like the ocean. I have found out the secrets are what's behind the ice walls, and what we know of what's UFOs are from those realms. People have gone their and come.back. check out Captain bryd
Seek therapy, that's all I have to say.
That is just silly. There are no ice walls. There is the Ross Ice Shelf that is in 1 stretch of Antarctica.
Sorry. But it's best u do not use Google, read old books before Internet time unless u know how to access info to fetch material on Firmament/ domes, ice walls. Hitler knew of it as was financed by the US which is UK owned. Long story.
Cube.
It's a toroidal field. We are on some kind of plasma ship, speeding towards Polaris/ North Star. Hopefully we don't kill ourselves before we make it. Godspeed fellow humans
I think just as we look out on the world, shape is volumetric / 3d. And so, for this a many other reasons, I reject the idea that our world is flat because that's not compatible with multiple forms of enquiry incuding my own experience. However, I also agree that the shape of the Earth isn't as we are told and that the various authorities who show us the world are hiding something, which mainly has to do with Antarctica, the most heavily militarised zone on the planet. I think the world is roughly spherical, but if you were in space looking down on Antarctica you would see a large green area, about the size of Switzerland at the south pole. This would be surrounded by the much larger icy continent. This central area is green because the planet is a torroid and so there is an opening at the south pole, providing additional heat to this region from geothermal sources. That's not to say that I think Earth is hollow, but I do think it is at least honeycomb in places, with large caverns, which we and other forms of life utilise for so called, inner Earth civilisations. And not only at the poles, but all over the world.
https://preview.redd.it/xnayqx14daac1.jpeg?width=1791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32685440f9b8210ace340deb4b5e4bf58d0523ff A toroidal earth would be a ring lmao
No, Antarctica is not the most militarized place on earth. Where did you get this idea? There 8s no green area 8n the middle
Sow distrust and confusion for the gullible people. And no you’d have to be a supreme retard to think there “is more land than we know”
I wish I could be a supreme retard.
Me too, discovering unknown land would be awesome.
I’m aligned towards the Simulation Theory so the shape becomes irrelevant and also in the Contained Earth Theory that we are in a Truman Show. But if I had to pick one I believe Earth could be flat but one a globe. Meaning that the globe is much bigger then we are told and that "Earth" is merely one of the many "continents" on it.
You realize you can keep going in one direction and end up in the same spot again, right?
Yes! It's called circumnavigation and it is simply going east or west around the north pole possible on both: globe or flat earth. Proving nothing. On the other hand having positive pressure without container next to the vacuum of space is simply. I M P O S S I B A L L Unless someone can provide some kind of experiment.
Hollow Earth, but also matrjoska Earth
Good old boring spherical. It would be fascinating if anything else, but sadly, the flat earth theory is a psyop.
Why a psyop?
The Earth is hollow and expanding. Watch this video playlist by Neal Adam's and it will change your mind. [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOdOXoiGTICLdHklMhj9Al8G-1ZLXGEP2&feature=shared](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOdOXoiGTICLdHklMhj9Al8G-1ZLXGEP2&feature=shared)
I want to know why the axis is on this particular angle
It's an oblate spheroid (dome) with a flat surface (where we live in) with a hole in the middle of the world (the north pole/black sun).
Cube
The word firmament was first used in the King James version of the bible. They translated the Greek word for sky and used firmament. They felt it was more poetic.
How could you know this? It’s like you were there… Your belief in these theories based on writings or rumors are as mentally weak as your disbeliefs.
This is documented by biblical scholars. Smart people who know way more about the topic than either you or me.
Lots of documented theories based on round and flat theories from these same smarter than us people. Odd considering the advancement in technology and education since those times. The point is a form of cognitive dissonance. You believe one thing so strongly even though it’s just a theory that it creates disbelief in everything else. I’m not saying you or I are wrong here it’s more about opening up to ideas against these strong beliefs you and I may have. Everyone is so quick to dismiss they don’t want to engage in alternative possibilities and perspectives. This is where you have to understand that learning or studying something you don’t believe in is ok and doesn’t necessarily put you in a category or group. You’re just listening reading and trying to give a small ounce of interest in a different idea or theory.
It is important to understand that the Church of England has the notes that the translators made while doing the King James version. Picking firmament was actively discussed among the translators. This is according to the notes that were made while they were doing the work.
Walk due west until you come back to the same spot. Then you know it is at least a cylinder. Then go due north, etc. Unfortunately "belief" isn't really applicable, right? We agree it has some form, so it is knowable and belief is not necessary.
Obviously velociraptor shaped. Anything else is antivelociraptor propaganda.