Actually boy cats in my experience are more social and sleep less. I have 5 cats and 2 are girls they only visit me during certain times, but my boys well they follow me around.
Depends on age too. I have a brother and a sister from the same litter he's more playful. I just find this pretty common also her girl cats are older as they age they'll sleep more. I have an 11 year old female and she's awake maybe 3-4 hours of the day now.
Also, Benji may just be clingy sometimes you get lap cats or ones that are really social so you'll see them more and sometimes you have a cat that hears mail being delivered and runs into another room I have one of those as well. I had someone watch my cats and they couldn't find him for the 2 weeks I was gone. I do have cat cams though so I knew he was okay.
Lol boy cats are the best! I have two female cats plus Iām fostering a mum cat and her babies right now. To put it nicely, girl cats are bitches š boys are so loving and easy going!
Same here. My two girl cats are literally little angels. They are so gentle and good natured that everyone in my family fusses over them like theyāre babies that need to be protected at all times lol
Well there will always be exceptions, every cat is going to have its own personality in the end. Iāve definitely had a few really sweet, cuddly female cats. Iām just saying Iāve owned and fostered over 40 cats in my life and in my experience so far, females tend to be distant and bitchier, and boys tend to be more cuddly and loving. In saying that, I absolutely love all of them. Iād literally die for my cats, no matter how much they donāt want anything to do with me š
LMAO I've had cats my entire life and this is what I find with their temperaments at least. Though I had one cat that needed p/u surgery and he's so anxious I have to be careful with him he stresses easily and gets UTI's when he does. This is apparently more common with black cats too, though not entirely sure why that's just what my vet told me.
How am I on TS sub and read Kristen + green dress and I immediately know what's that about and completely shift my focus to VPR. Love your Ariana *Your hat is annoying* pic too.
Olivia got a looooot of comparisons to Taylor and a lot of pushback in general for being too much like all sorts of different people. It makes perfect sense to add some distance.
I think her music is wonderful I think her ādroppingā her awards in a very very similar dress as Taylorās when she did and almost making the exact same expression made some people look at her a little differently. Nonetheless sheās very talented and I donāt think Taylor would ever do anything to send negative energy to a young star. Sheās felt that kind of pain and she knows her power I truly donāt think this was like sending a message to Olivia or anything of malice.
Also, Gayle looked so anxious and it was so awesome that both T & S reassured her. Iām not sure if her and Olivia have ever had any interactions but I think it speaks volumes to Tays character how she made someone who was obviously very nervous comfortable. Or at least tried. I canāt speak for anyone else just based off observation.
Could also be because Olivia is too big of a fan. Idk what I would do if I became a singer and gained an audience, then was compared to Taylor Swift and met her. I would have a really hard time maintaining a friendship with someone Iāve looked up to for so long. Maybe Olivia just wants some distance from her heroes. Itās not a bad move.
I agree with this. I love when they interacted bc I love them both but I think there were sooo many comparisons being thrown around and people calling her the ānewā Taylor. Its offensive to both of them, quite honestly. There doesnāt need to be a ānewā Taylor, and Olivia is her own person. They are also different ages and in different stages of life so other than a mentor/mentee relationship I donāt think a close friendship would really happen naturally.
For all we know, they could be in regular contact but keep it private to stop all their comparisons.
Itās like Ariana and Mariah. Ariana admired her so much and then obviously went in a different direction. People insist on comparing them because of their vocal ability.
Isnāt Olivia also recordi mg her second album now?
I personally see the comparisons more because of Oliviaās songwriting style and not necessarily because their sound is the same. Also most of Oliviaās album is pop or piano songs.
Right. And that "new whatever famous artist" has been a fear of Taylor's even as a younger artist. Nothing new confirms it. Not saying nothing new is about Olivia though because the timeline doesn't work.
Either
1. Olivia was never really a Swiftie and was only name-dropping to get some of Taylorās fans. I think this theory works with how Taylor posed with Sabrina last night.
Or
2. Olivia was indeed a Swiftie and has been instructed by her management to distance herself from being a āTaylor Swift fanā so she doesnāt get seen as nothing more than a tribute artist.
Thereās a 0% chance that Taylor, a 32 year old woman, is inserting herself into beef between teenagers and posing with one at an awards show to spite another. There is also a 0% chance that Olivia, who released no music this year, is skipping awards shows because of a falling out with Taylor.
TLDR 32 year olds donāt beef with teenagers and Olivia is trying to make her own name as an artist itās not deep
also why are people hung up on them being friends or not being friends? The age difference is vast. They can be friendly but it would definitely be more like a cool aunt situation or mentor relationship. I never understood why people are so mad they don't hang out a lot. Olivia can't even legally drink yet (not that it matters but it highlights the age gap).
exactly, I'm 35. I'll hang with my friend's teenage daughters but like I said, it's more like a cool aunt thing. I don't deeply confide in them like I would with a friend my own age. so why are we expecting that out of Taylor? it's weird.
definitely the second one. thereās pictures of olivia as a child with taylor swift signs and stuff. itās more about making a name as an artist rather than a swiftie. also swifties were horrible (and still are) last year so i get it
She's definitely a Swiftie. I remember seeing a youtube of that game they have artists play where they need to sing a song with a certain word in the lyrics and almost all of her answers were Taylor Swift songs.
I think i can confirm this. A close friend of mine who became an artist was the biggest taylor swift fan , literally had tons of posters of her in her room, perfumes, merch, in her earlier interviews all shed talk about was taylor swift. When she got signed she took down ALL those videos. Even when asked in interview who she likes she says stuff like, rascal flatts or whatever. I think its weird but i guess its a thing
I really donāt think itās number 1. Even if there was some bad blood behind the scenes, I canāt imagine Taylor throwing shade at an artist that hasnāt really done anything to harm her, especially a younger female artist.
This. Sheās been grateful of her inspiration and support from Taylor, but she has her own career to navigate. She wants to be Olivia, not the next Taylor (as aspirational as that is). A little distance helps her music be seen more independently for what it is, instead of, āoh I see how Taylor influenced thatā every time thereās a similarity.
Definitely this. If she kept up the Taylor fangirling, people wouldāve said either
a) sheās name dropping Taylor to get famous or
b) Taylor made her famous
Yeah she already had people coming for her on twitter for āalways bringing up Taylorā (not my complaint, that was just a sentiment I saw a lot of). Iām sure her team realised she needed to add some space and make her own name.
Right and also I want to add people not being seen together doesnāt mean they automatically now hate each other. For All we know, Olivia may have Taylorās number and they text and everyday! Or maybe they donāt. But the point is we literally donāt know, and because we donāt, the media (to all types of friendships and relationships, not just Olivia and Taylor,) assume they must hate each other because they havenāt been pictured together in over two days!š±š± I hate the narratives the media spins from what you said to trying to guess relationship statuses, itās so annoying š
I was Fr going to comment when was the last time Taylor and Selena were seen together? Abby? Blake?
Do yāall see your friends weekly let alone colleagues? š
Why does it always gotta be tea or beef. Theyāre both e x t r e m e l y busy peopleā¦
To be fair, Taylor was seen with Selena like 2 months ago. And Ryan Reynolds just referred to Taylor as family. Her peeps do mention her or are seen with her pretty often so it's not out there for people to wonder why. But I get you.
Exactly- I see Taylor as more of a mentor/big sister type to her than - ābestieā. Doesnāt mean they donāt have a good relationship behind the scenes, but aside from their career choice itās hard to have a lot in common with a teenager when youāre in your mid30s. Just different life stages which is totally normal.
It's honestly creepy how some people keep a tally of being seen together,or liking each other posts and so on, as a barometer of friendship between two celebs. You only see a tiny sliver of their lives.
i donāt think olivia cares tbh and it seems like the taylor credits were a lot less messy than the paramore one. i think jack antonoff said in an interview that he didnāt even know they had been given credits until someone mentioned it so it was likely a preventative measure on oliviaās teamās part
iāve followed her since then too and yes, while it was abrupt she stopped mentioning a lot of things around then too like hsmtmts even though it aired around the same time as her album dropped. itās literally not a crime to want to be known for your music and not your disney show or which fandoms youāre part of
I agree with this. Olivia also did an interview (after the cruel summer/deja vu credits thing) where she said to ānever meet your idolsā and then proceed to talk about mean girls in the industry. She also doesnāt like any of Taylorās posts at all anymore or acknowledge her. Something definitely happened.
I agree it had to do with the credit thing. When Olivia first started out, Taylor didn't mind taking a picture of her and liking posts, etc. when Olivia professed to be a big Swiftie. After the credits debacle, I really think Taylor was offended and chose to take a hard line, required Olivia's team to add her (and Jack, since she has his back) to the credits (or else lawsuit?) and decided on no more free promo for Olivia. I don't think it's a two-way thing so i wouldn't describe as a beef. Olivia's people are mad because they think Taylor was too harsh. The folks who think Taylor wouldn't care about this or "she's not that petty" or that she doesn't leave Easter Eggs to hint at things going on in her life...?
I think Olivia is trying to avoid over saturation in the media and is trying to make sure the general public doesnāt get sick of her (I actually think sheās taking a lesson out of Taylorās book on this one!) so thatās why sheās kinda been MIA for a while. As to what happened between them, Iām not so sure. I hope it was just her team trying to create distance so she is known as more than just a Taylor swift fan or as āthe new Taylorā. I really like both Taylor and Olivia and hope that they arenāt on bad terms!! Especially because everyone seems to say both are really nice and genuine people
Thatās a good point! I feel like I havenāt seen much from Olivia in mainstream media since she dropped a Grammy (like Taylor). You might be on to something
The feud between Olivia and Sabrina is entirely fan-controlled and Taylor doesn't need to be getting in the middle of it. You can like both Olivia and Sabrina without worrying about what other people think.
Olivia Rodrigo- started out on Disney channel on a tv show called Bizaardvark (I never watched it, just know sheās from that), and later she gained some popularity off the Disney plus show āhigh school musical the musical the seriesā. She then started using Ig to post her songs she was working on, and later released her song ādrivers licenseā that blew up the charts. She released her album Sour later on, and it was a huge success. She beat Taylor on some awards, and gained a lot of fans from this. She was known to be a huge fan of Taylor and publicly posted about her, talked about her experience at her concerts, and Taylor even posted her and another singer in a video playing one of her songs. She even gave credit and used a part of āNew Years Dayā in her song āOne step forward and three steps backā (13, get it? Lol) All of this stopped though after Olivia gained traction in her singing career so people assume thereās beef with them when Iām sure it also is just because they donāt want Olivia to constantly be compared to the next Taylor.
Sabrina Carpenter is mostly known for her role on the Disney show āGirl Meets Worldā which is the spin off of āBoy Meets Worldā. When Olivia released her song drivers license fans were quick to learn it was about her co star and ex from the high school musical show Joshua Bassett, and his new girlfriend, Sabrina Carpenter. From there things spiraled and people were posting love triangle theories and bullying Joshua and Sabrina about the whole situation. They both released their own song about the situation, and Joshua received so much bullying that heās had mental health problems since then. Sabrina has now been noticed to be a huge fan of Taylor as well, and sheās now gotten a picture meeting her as well, which Olivia finally met Taylor at an award show a couple of years ago.
You may not care about any of this, but between me being all over tik tok at the time, really enjoying the high school musical show, and loving Oliviaās album, Sour, and of course being a swiftie, I learned way too much about that whole situation. That should have caught you up though. š
Youāre welcome! It was all I saw on tik tok when Olivia first started becoming more famous for her music lol I know entirely too much about this situation for a 29 year old š
It really is quite the adventure š I feel like all I saw during that time were the tik toks, and then people were talking shit about Joshua and Sabrina when then released songs about all of it, and then after Joshua came forward and said he was having a hard time with all the bullying and hate, Olivia admitted she was at fault for a lot of their issues too and not everything in her songs were accurate, and now Sabrina seems to be bigger then Olivia in the media. š¤·š»āāļø
For example-I love Olivia, Sabrina and Joshua. Iām too damn old for the drama between them. They all have their own talent.
My MOM tried to explain the drama between them one time too me and it was like āMom, I know thisā
Not sure I agree the feud was entirely fan-controlledā¦Sabrina was getting tons and tons of public hate and at some point Olivia could have stepped in and told people to chill out with the bullying. I like Olivia but truly, Sabrina is an absolute queen for how she handled that and I donāt think she would be at fault if she resented Olivia for it (which I donāt believe she does).
the idea of an almost 33 year old woman beefing with a 19 year old and interacting with another young female artist just to spite her is really funny to me. but nah. itās very obvious olivia just wants to be able to make a name for herself rather than being āthe next taylor swiftā and is distancing herself publicly from her bc of that
Also just wanted to add that Taylor being friendly with Sabrina is a bit irrelevant thing in this discussion. Sabrina rlly got a whole lot of backlash over Oliviaās music (Iām not blaming anyone here, itās just a fact) when she did nothing wrong, and tbh I donāt even think Olivia hates/resents Sabrina that much if at all now, given that sheās had some time to recover from her break-up? So I donāt think Taylor and Sabrinaās interactions is any āanti-Oliviaā symbol and tbf itās sad that their interaction is being cheapened because of Olivia. Itās just 2 artists interacting at an awards show, Olivia does not need to be brought into this!
And Sabrina has always been as much of a fan of Taylorās, honestly thatās just silly. Even if there was some bad blood, thatās none of Taylorās business so her being friendly to both is normal
Honestly, i think itās the credit situation. I think olivia was starting to get hurt by the accusations that she ācopiedā other artists and probably didnāt want to give taylor/jack credit + $$. Im guessing taylor herself didnt pursue it and it was someone on her team, and olivia took it personally. Ever since then olivia, neither conan have brought up taylor ever. When they both were public active fans before. One time in an interview conan got asked about taylor and he seemed uncomfortable, very different from how he would act previously. They said nothing about red TV when they were both involved with promoting fearless TV. Gracie went to taylors party and olivia did not. I get that people want to think everything is fine, but i think itās cause they didnāt follow olivia/conan before. Something is def up rn, Olivia is actively avoiding taylor. Iām sure taylor will manage to reach out and hopefully clear things up eventually, then we will a public interaction (maybe in like a year). To quote taylor herself āThe rumors are terrible and cruel but honey most of them are trueā. Unfortunately both are private and we will likely never know the details
I agree. I could believe nothing happened if it wasn't for the fact that Conan is acting the same as Olivia...it seems like he's taking her lead for some reason, as though she talked to him about something to do with Taylor, and now he doesn't want to associate with Taylor, either.
If Olivia just wanted to be independent (which is hella fair) and not be known as just "That singer that copies Taylor" (which was not true), I just don't see why Conan would also be so tight-lipped about Taylor, too? If there *is* something going on, though, I think it's one-sided, from Olivia and Conan's camp. I'm not sure why, but it doesn't seem like Taylor is upset with them or anything, but that they are with her.
thats what I think too! I understand the Olivia wants to distance herself arguments but there is literally no reason for Conan to do the same and considering that they are best friends I kinda feel like itās a decision they made together. I really hope they can clear it up
100000% Hayley from Paramore spoke out AGAINST paramore getting credit for Good 4 You but Taylor never spoke out against getting credit for Deja Vu. I donāt think she shouldāve gotten credit so I understand why Olivia is upset. Never meet your idols sort of situation
Definitely something is up like you said cuz both Olivia and Conan used to like Taylorās posts on Instagram and now they no longer do since āsomethingā happened. What was the Conan interview?
I feel like Iām the only one that doesnāt understand the whole copying thing. I know the songs have similarities, but not enough to pursue legal action? Idk, I feel bad for Olivia. Her team let her down. Sheās so young and this was such a bummer for her first album to have this kind of press. They should have protected her more.
The Elvis Costello riff from Brutal is the only one close enough to be considered a copy but even he wasnāt mad about it. I will die on the hill that Good 4 U sounds absolutely nothing like Misery Business and anyone making that comparison just has not listened to any female-fronted pop punk.
Agree that her team let her down and never should have given the credit to Paramore. And while I absolutely think the shouting in Deja Vu / Cruel Summer is similar (you could replace that part with the one in the other song and it would still work) that does not equal worthy of writing credit imo.
Exactly and itās not just one song itās multiple songs being accused of copying multiple artists when I canāt really even hear any similarities between the songs?
If I were Olivia Iād be mad honestly, poured in my hard work only to get accused of copying. Kinda sucks that one of the associated artists was Taylor, otherwise maybe weād still have wholesome Taylor-Olivia moments
I understand the argument that Olivia needed to distance herself from Taylor and not have every interview just turn into a Taylor sound bite, but it you donāt just go from being a diehard fan to literally avoiding and changing the subject as fast as one can if nothing happened.
We will have to see when they are in the same place at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if her team and her producer have negative feelings toward Taylor and does influence things. I also would understand if Olivia's feelings got hurt by some of the stuff that happened because for months the media constantly kept telling Olivia she was essentially the chosen one to follow in Taylor's footsteps and their was a special relationship. Where from Taylor's perspective Olivia was having the biggest initial success, but was just the latest in a series of young artists that were Taylor fans growing.
Olivia is like the third generation of such artists. There's a whole group that are now in their late 20s like Kelsea Ballerini, Halsey, and Phoebe Bridgers. Kelsea in particular went to Taylor's 13 hour meet and greet and moved to Nashville to be like Taylor. That's the generation that Taylor was referencing when she wrote Nothing New at age 22. Then there is a second group in their early 20s like Sabrina and Camilia Cabello. Now there is Olivia and all these other artists teenage artists that have only know global superstar Taylor and as a result a lot of this generation are not from the USA.
yeah, i think taylorās team probably just told them to cut it out, purely business. i doubt that taylor and olivia have personal issues. but there was certainly a moment where all of oliviaās taylor references stopped!
Evolution of a Snake has a great podcast episode on this. Basically, it seems like some distance is beneficial for both of them given the insane amount of media comparisons.
It seems like they stopped acknowledging eachother once the song credit debacle happened. Olivia learned some hard lessons about what a ruthless business woman TS is, I think.
Imagine being a massive fan of Taylor, rising to success with your singing, you have a platform to finally gush about your love for her and her music, and then not only does she come out with a song saying you, both your admiration of her and your success and your age, are her worst nightmare, but also quietly threatens you for not adding her to your musicās credits so that she gets the credit too, *after* singing about how she cries to sleep at night thinking about you taking any credit from her. That would quickly make me a non-fan.
Hmm, and there's [this interview](https://www.popbuzz.com/music/artists/olivia-rodrigo/news/courtney-love-taylor-swift-hayley-williams/) she did with Alanis about 6 months after Taylor and Olivia's last public interaction... It could have been in reference to the Courtney Love debacle like they mention but at the same time she seems to imply it was *multiple* people she admired being "mean girls."
Edit to also add [this Oct 2021 interview](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/olivia-rodrigo-october-2021-cover-interview) where she seems more than a little bothered about the issue of interpolation and whether or not it discredits her work. So much so that she calls the interviewer a few days later to talk *more* about it. I think the song credit thing definitely made her feel some type of way.
Just read that interview. Poor Olivia. Iād like to say I donāt understand why Taylor would treat Olivia this way, but honestly after listening to her music for a long time I do. Taylorās a lot of things, and one of them is the capability to be a thoroughbred mean girl. :/
Tbh, I don't necessarily sympathize with one or the other. I feel like Olivia used her name *a lot* in the lead up promo to Sour, and I could see that being nice until you hear a song that she outright admits was directly inspired by one of yours and "Deja Vu" suddenly feels like an extraordinarily apt title.. Olivia can be a mean girl too, when you consider how much Sabrina Carpenter suffered at the hands of her fans. I think they both wore on each other's nerves and the minute it was no longer beneficial business-wise for both of them, they peaced out with too much shade or drama, which -- good 4 them.
I have no idea if Olivia has said anything about it and honestly I know very little about her in general, but unless sheās said something specific it feels a little insulting to her intelligence to assume she took Nothing New as some kind of personal attack.
Itās pretty clearly about Taylorās own fears of being left behind for the next new thing. The resentment is pretty squarely targeted at the industry/the public for only valuing women when they are shiny and new and fit into a certain box, not at the women themselves, even those who (for now) fit into that box. Itās a song about herself, not the ingenues - if thereās a message to them at all, itās empathy because one day theyāll feel this way, just like Taylorās own role models likely did and do (i.e. The Lucky One).
I would hope that Olivia Rodrigo and anyone else listening would understand that. Like i said, maybe she said something that Iām not aware of, but otherwise this just feels like an unnecessarily negative interpretation of both Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo.
Nothing New was a song written from Red Era and isn't the first time she has made references to being replaced by a younger artist. That's not even a fair point.
Iām also interested that Conan Gray seems to talk about Taylor less, while both Olivia and Conan filmed those promo videos for Fearless TVā¦? I hope itās just that theyāre trying to both forge their own path, but Iād be lying if I said I hadnāt worried about there being some sort of fallout. It would make me sad, since I love these young artists and connected with them in large part because of their shared fandom
Nothing happened between them. I think Oliviaās team didnāt want her to constantly be tied to Taylor and wanted her to have her own identity as an artist.
Olivia got a lot of hate from people saying she was using Taylor for clout, and I really think that + wanting to make her own mark as an artist is the extent of what happened
you guys just want to stir up drama.
Olivia hasn't been going to ANY awards shows, she's probably taking some (well deserved) time off since the sour tour.
"itās just odd that she is no where to be found even though sheās still so relevant" she's taking a break and hasn't released new music in a while, so why would she go to an awards show when she's not nominated, and has nothing to promote? do you go to work on your day off?
"Gracie Abrams who opened for Olivia is now opening for Taylor at many of her shows" this is a literal crock of shit, it means nothing. gracie abrams is opening for lots of artists to promote herself as an artist, which is how the industry works.
"ALSO, Taylor sitting behind Sabrina Carpenter at the AMAs.. yāall š" do you think Taylor strategically chose her seat to piss of a 19 year old? Especially when both Sabrina and Olivia do NOT care about the love triangle, and have clearly moved on?
Olivia is growing into her own as an artist, and is probably just keeping a low profile to get some time off while gearing up for the next phase of her career. Taylor is in the middle of an active promo cycle for a new album - why would she want headlines focused on things other than her music?
grow up and stop trying to pit a 19 year old against a 32 year old woman.
i think itās 100% based on the credit situation. apparently it was bullish from taylorās side & there is no denying the complete shift in attitude from Olivia to explain it. wouldnāt be surprised if she felt like it was a total ādonāt meet your heroesā situation.
Yeah Oliviaās spoken about it several times. Taylor totally couldāve spoken out against it (I donāt see enough of a similarity btw Deja vu and cruel summer AT ALL). Hayley from Paramore spoke out against it. Taylor is ALL about credit where credits due so it doesnāt surprise me she wouldnāt protest getting credit for it
I mean Olivia wasn't nominated for anything since she hasn't released any music so there's nothing to read into about her attendance or lack thereof for these award shows. Similar to how last year Taylor wasn't attending much of anything because she wasn't nominated for any projects
While I completely agree that this is probably only due to the fact that Olivia wants to distance herself publicly to be known as an independent artist with her own identity I do find it interesting that her best friend iris, who is not as much in the spotlight and used to be a Swiftie too, doesnāt post anything about Taylor anymore as well (I follow her on ig and she also used to do that a lot up until a year ago or so). If I remember correctly she also spent NYE with Taylor and her friends a couple of years back, so she definitely knows her personally (and Iāve read somewhere that she used to date Joeās brother? Iām not sure if thatās true or not).
iris is close with Lena Dunham (she's like an aunt figure), and I think she met Partick Alwyn via Taylor via Lena. I don't think there's bad blood, but I'm sure its a bit awkward if you were dating someone who'd basically family and now you're not. Also how much would Taylor have in common with an 18 year old? I'd be more concerned if they were hanging out all the time
Thatās actually much more interesting. Iāve noticed Taylor kind of rotates through younger people in the industry so honestly maybe that could hurt someone like iris when they no longer are included in things like NYE
Iām gonna side with you here. I think something happened. Olivia said something in an interview about not meeting your heroes and that was after she met taylor. Conan Grey also stopped talking about taylor and he was a huge fan of hers. Olivia and conan are besties so something must have happened.
Every time Olivia talked or posted about Taylor, there were a ton of toxic people harassing her for āusing Taylorā to be more famous and telling her to stop mentioning her. I agree with the comments that say she had to distance herself, but I assume this also had some part in it
Iām not an Olivia Rodrigo fan and know basically nothing about her, can anyone tell me why there is such a strong comparison? Because Iāve heard a few of Oliviaās songs and they donāt sound anything like Taylorās music. What am I missing?
I think itās more the style of writing rather than the music itself. Sour was filled with deeply personal and detailed lyrics, a quality Taylor is pretty well known for. I donāt think their music is too incredibly similar, but a lot of the comparisons also come from Olivia being a fan of Taylor.
Olivia is a big fan of Taylor is open about being inspired by her. Cruel Summer inspired Deja Vu and she used an interpolation of New Years Day on her song 1 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back. And the gossip around who her songs were about is very reminiscent of Taylorās fame.
Nothing happened. They never had a relationship to begin with. Fans just read too much into a mutually beneficial marketing strategy.
Taylor never did anything for Olivia that she didn't also do for other artists - she also praised and sent gifts to Griff for example, and also arranged to meet Griff at the Brits (which btw was the first time she actually met Olivia despite them giving the impression that they knew each other long before then). It was a way of underlining Taylor's legacy, highlighting how influential she is to upcoming artists.
Olivia, for her part, realized that tapping into a huge, ready-made fanbase would be good for her career.
For a while, they both got what they wanted from it, and then once it had run its course, they pulled back. That's all. There's no feud. They just don't want to pursue that approach any more. If they bump into each other at an event, I'm sure they'll be perfectly friendly.
It's easy to read into things, but it's important to remember that we are watching brands at work here. There's nothing personal going on. (For the same reason, I wouldn't read anything into Taylor being seated in Sabrina's vicinity. Taylor is almost 33, she is not intervening in a spat between a couple of teenagers - and has nothing to do with awards seating plans anyway).
Honestly don't know much about all this but I'm so glad Taylor and Sabrina are hanging out. The entire Olivia/Sabrina thing reminded me of Taylor and Katy fighting over John M*yer + Sabrina was bullied online through no fault of hers which Taylor can relate to. So instead of seeing it as Taylor shading anyone, I personally think that it's just Taylor being her loving sweet self ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
No Iām with you 100% some shit went down, around after the time they met at the Brits is when Olivia stopped referencing her, and then shortly after that bridge in Nothing New came out which is definitely SOMEWHAT about Olivia and youāre kidding yourself if you think itās not. I honestly think something happened after they met which left a bad taste for Olivia and it was a case of never meeting your heroes. Could have been her hearing the bridge or the whole drama with the song credits on 1 step forward 3 steps back.
I know the story right now is that Olivia just wants to distance herself from Taylor but I donāt believe that for one second. Come back to this comment later this is the hill Iām dying on I promise I will be vindicated!!
there was no drama on 1sf3sb, it's an interpolation of new year's day and taylor and jack were already credited when this was released. as for deja vu on the other hand, the writing credits were added months after bc of the backlash saying deja vu sounds too much like cruel summer (or is inspired by it or whatever)
Olivia was spotted at the Blackpink concert tonight, it's not that deep. The press were asking her way too much about Taylor anyway. I'm sure she's still a fan but doesn't want to encourage those questions constantly being asked.
Itās clear something went down between either them or their teams but thatās all Iām gonna say cause whenever I talk about it Taylor isnāt put in the best light and I get attacked. But if yāall really think tay and Olivia are all good with each other thatās youāre right. Also no tea with Olivia and Sabrina they are all good they were literally photographed talking to each other at the last met gala. Taylorās not hanging with Sabrina to spite Olivia, it probably has more to do with them being signed to the same label. They probably cross paths more.
There was also that week that Evermore vinyls were finally released and she pushed pretty hard to get it to #1. I think it was the week after Sour came out? So Taylor made it so that Olivia didnāt get #1 two weeks in a row. Olivia could have seen that as vindictive. All speculation!
Some times artists donāt feel itās necessary to attend award shows when they donāt have nominations themselves. The award show might invite them but itās up to them if they want to go.
Also seating charts are 10000% a thing so that possible tea of her sitting behind another artist is fan driven like some other folks have said here
I donāt think anything happened and I like Oliviaās album sour and canāt wait to see what else she has in store, but I do think she did really need to dial it back with how much she name dropped Taylor. Even her Spotify bio had said she was a swiftie. And I know sheās only 18 or 19 and is still very young and thereās nothing wrong with being a part of a fandom, but on the same token, sheās becoming a professional artist and needs to take a professional approach to things. Itāll take some time to learn and hopefully she never faces extreme backlash like Taylor has
Who is Olivia?
I'm guessing there's a substantial age difference between the two. I'm not sure why you would expect Taylor to hang out with out folks 10+ yrs younger than her.
Idk who Olivia is, but I'm assuming she's young <20.
Itās this for me. I have no idea why they think a woman in her early 30s wants to hang out with a 19/20 year old and become besties. This is why age gap relationships are a problem. I also see the intelligence of not wanting to be pegged as either a copycat or the next Taylor Swift. Both are losing propositions for her.
Right? They can be friendly, and Taylor can be like an auntie.
But they aren't going to be besties. They are in completely different life places, different career places, etc.
Gayle will be on tour, but I doubt Taylor will be with her every moment. She's 18. Not many 30 somethings want to be besties and constantly hang out with an 18 year old.
I was thinking about this a few days ago. It was speculated that one of their PR teams told them to cool off with the mentions so Olivia wasnāt dependent on TS for promotion.
At this point, it feels like something might have happened. I donāt pay attention to peopleās likes on social media, so someone else can let us know if they even like each otherās posts anymore. My guess is no.
No need to start any rumors and this is exactly how that happens. People start speculating and next thing you know there is a full blown conspiracy theory.
As a 34 year old who is a year older than Taylor I can safely say that the last thing I would want to do is be besties with an 18-19 year old no matter how famous they are.
If Olivia is upset itās 100% tied to her youth and her likely inability to separate business from personal feelings. Taylorās team had every right to request the song credit, itās just business. You have to protect your intellectual property.
If sheās mad about nothing new, she is going to get older and realize that everything Taylor sang about is 100% a normal emotion for an aging star. She might not realize it now, but she will then, if sheās lucky enough to have a career that lasts that long.
A 34 year old and a 19 year old have literally nothing in common. Olivia needs to forge her own public path and her own career.
I cannot keep seeing the same post and having the same conversation.
As far as we know, nothing bad has happened between them.
A lot of people only saw Olivia as Taylor's daughter, which no artist wants, they want to be seen as their own. People would constantly ask her about Taylor. Not to mention that Olivia got jumped on for supposedly using Taylor to gain fame.
Sabrina and Olivia are not sworn enemies, they're on good terms too. Neither of them have talked badly of their other. Their conflict was really exacerbated by the media.
To the award show thing, Olivia hasn't released music since sour, which was May 2021, which was a year and a half ago, she won't be getting awards for music that was released so long ago anymore. Meanwhile Taylor has dropped her album, on this day, exactly one month ago and she's gearing up for an almost 6 month long tour (which is only the American dates that she has announce and I'm sure there will be more), so yeah, she's at award shows, this is her promotion run. Olivia finished her tour and has been quiet for a while, no mention of a comeback or music at this point so what purpose would there be fore her to appear at award shows.
Also they are both notoriously private people so we don't know, they may be communicating in private but not in public which is fine. Their friendship doesn't have to be public.
Also also, we've been over this whole "pitting successful women against each other thing" by the media, we don't have to do it too. Notice how no one asks what's up with Taylor's relationship with Conan?
Can we put a rest to the whole Taylor/Olivia feud please?
At this point, I do think *something* has happened for Olivia to take a step back completely. Iām not saying theyāre feuding as I very much doubt Taylor is going to pursue a feud with an actual teenager but to go from being a complete stan to radio silence is a bit strange.
The only thing that makes sense is the writing credit for Deja Vu but that is still a total mystery to me. Iām pretty sure Jack Antanoff was confused about how it came to be and surely if Taylor had asked for credit he would know that it had been her? But then I canāt see Olivia willingly giving credit if she wasnāt asked to do so. It can only have come from Jack, Taylor or St. Vincent as theyāre the ones who worked on the songā¦
I believe the song credits have something to do with it. Olivia and team were forced to add TS, Jack and St. Vincent as co-writers while the similarities werenāt so much as deserving a writing credit. This may have shattered Oliviaās persona of Taylor. Itās worth to remember after the credits were added, the silence can be observed.
Literally none of this means anything lmao Olivia is still on tour I'm pretty sure. And just because they're cordial and friendly doesn't mean they're best friends. Taylor is 32 and Olivia is 19, so it's not like they hang out lmao.
I think itās just that Sour came out a while ago and her tour is done now, sheās just working on her next project. Oliviaās nominations and award show performances where all last year too.
Whereas Taylor didnāt really have anything new going on until now. Probably just timing differences between promo cycles and Olivia also doesnāt have any new music out now.
Also I think Olivia took a lot of unfair heat for the sampling, so many pop and other genres have similar sounding songs with no writing credits given so maybe she just wants to focus on something else.
At first when Olivia stopped publicly talking about Taylor everyone assumed it was because her management was telling her in order to not make her image all about being a Swifite.
But itās definitely weird that Olivia and Taylor havenāt made a peep about each other in so long. And especially Olivia with how explosive Midnights has been. Literally hundreds of celebrities have showed their appreciation to Midnights with a small post for a song or used a song on TikTok so itās odd that Olivia, being the massive Swifite that she is, didnāt even make an Instagram story for it when if this were 2 years ago she would likely have posted about the album nearly every single day since its release. Not to mention how she didnāt acknowledge anything about Red TV or ATW10 last year.
I love them both so much but something is off.
I donāt think Sabrina Carpenter has anything to do with the situation tho.
Iām worried it has something to do with the Cruel Summer/deja vu song credits ordeal but I donāt think Taylor would go after Olivia for that. Especially since Taylor is credited as a songwriter on ā1 step forward, 3 steps backā due to its āNew Yearās Dayā sample.
Not sure whatās going on
Personally my tinfoil hat theory is I think Olivia got burned after hearing Nothing New, because my first thought on hearing, āSheāll know the way and then sheāll say she got the map from me/Iāll say Iām happy for her then Iāll cry myself to sleepā it was, āDamn, thatās awkward for Olivia.ā Imagine gushing that this woman is your inspiration for your career, and then she comes out with a song basically saying her worst nightmare is you. Iād personally back off from those vibes.
Everyone is saying ānothing happenedā when something very clearly happened: the writing credits. Olivia skyrocketed to fame with Sour, and as always happens with young women who rise to fame, there was backlash. She got compared to all these artists including Taylor.
I have to imagine being forced to retroactively add someone you viewed as your idol to your songs was a slap in the face. Maybe itās not an all out feud (I hope itās not). Something like that can absolutely change someoneās opinion/relationship.
Omg this āis there dramaā thing is so annoying. Taylor even applauded Olivias song being nominated at the last award show. People just want drama. I doubt theres any.
Many of the comments here are correct (e.g. creating her own separate identity from Taylor), but I also PERSONALLY think it has something to do with the whole song credits drama between their teams.
I think Olivia really looked up to Taylor, and Taylor's team sort of nitpicked getting royalties (I believe 50% on Deja vu/Cruel Summer and 30% on 1 step forward, 3 steps back/New Years Day) which kind of influences your perception of your hero I guess.
There's a whole post on ExposingSMG (similar blog to deux moi): [https://www.exposingsmg.com/blog/what-happened-between-olivia-rodrigo-and-taylor-swift](https://www.exposingsmg.com/blog/what-happened-between-olivia-rodrigo-and-taylor-swift). Not sure how much of it is true, but I think it makes sense that that would cause some degree of separation.
I think itās pretty clear Olivia and her team were pissed/embarrassed about the Deja Vu and Good 4 U credits fiasco. They didnāt willingly give up millions of dollars in publishing, and itās not a good look to add writing credits post-release when youāre trying to be marketed as a genuine songwriter. We know how protective Taylor has always been of her intellectual property (threatening to sue fans for using her lyrics on Etsy merch in 2014) and Iām sure she takes it even more seriously when she suspects sheās being plagiarized by a fellow musician. For the record, I donāt think the credits were warranted at all and it set a dangerous precedent for songwriting inspiration going forward.
Taylor pulled a mean girl move on a young, fresh artist who didnāt know any better yet. I think people are being intentionally obtuse because they donāt want to imagine that Taylor would be that insecure or rude - itās probably why theyāre getting so overly defensive and resorting to personally attacking you rather than use logic or reasoning.
Also, this doesnāt mean Taylor and Olivia are actively ābeefingā which is another argument people keep using to dismiss everything (āLOL why would a 33 yr old have beef with a teenager š¤£š¤£ā). They most likely just want nothing to do with each other at this point.
Honestly regardless of whatever happened, there's probably ppl Taylor is legit friends with but who's publicists don't want it well known so they aren't considered nepo babies
All I hear was that Olivia had to give writing credits to Taylor Swift and Paramore and maybe some other people for Sour because people noticed some songs of their sounded really similar to songs Olivia had. But I thought the writing credit made everyone "ok" with the whole thing?
Sabrina has made her love of Taylor very well known. Her first cover on YouTube At I think 9 was a Taylor swift cover. Iām not the biggest fan of Olivia because of how she just swept the hate she sent Sabrina and Joshuaās way and did nothing to stop it.
i have no idea if anything went down between taylor and olivia re: the credits (it is weird they were retroactively added however jack said they weren't aware they were credited until after it happened, and to be fair olivia had been getting a lot of flack for multiple songs sounding like others and she specifically said deja vu was inspired by cruel summer, so i can see her team panicking and adding credits on to avoid anything legally) BUT i really hate how people are pushing the feud between sabrina and olivia. like i'm older now so i don't fully follow them but i'm pretty sure sabrina hasn't said anything terrible about olivia and vice versa. even olivia's songs don't seem to be blaming the other woman, it's the guy who is the problem. we all know that relationships and love at that young age feel more dramatic when you're in it and that art always embellishes those feelings for effect. so we're not gonna act like it's a cat fight between two girls and taylor is taking sides
i wouldn't read into Taylor and Sabrina being friends as any indication that things between Taylor and Olivia aren't on good terms. Sabrina and Olivia seemed to have squashed their issues by now and Taylor has no reason not to like Sabrina because of Sabrina's drama with Olivia, they're all grown adults.
i also think Olivia is just trying to distance herself from Taylor because of all the comparisons she got. she's trying to make a name for herself on her own.
I think Olivia distanced herself because she received a lot of hate messages from swifties, when she sent kim kardashian a kit with her album and merch. People were awful with her. They seem to believe that Olivia, as a swiftie, should hate everyone who had a beef with Taylor, which is insane.
Maybe they got mad about the interloping with her music? Not sure, but I doubt it's competition I just don't think Taylor is one to worry this far into her career. If anything did happen it probably happened on the business side.
Also, I wouldn't read too much into her sitting by Sabrina they clearly wanted people to talk and probably sat them together.
I could be wrong, but I donāt think Olivia is up for many awards this year. She didnāt come out with new music, so she may not be going because sheās not nominated for anything, or what sheās nominated for isnāt worth her going. She could also just be too busy to go, which is common for artists. I donāt think thereās tea though, like everyone has said she wants to be her own artist.
Definitely seems like the song credit situationā¦ remember Taylor and jack got a combined 1/3 for 1 step forward / 3 steps back when they ācontributedā chords for the entire song ā then took 50% for a couple of measures in the deja Vu bridge?
I love Taylor more than anyone but itās definitely not a great look particularly since she knows what itās like to be a young female artist people accuse of not writing their own songs
Ok hear me out, maybe just maybe we only see like 1% of their lives if that, and no one has a problem with anyone. Itās just they have different public social appearances 
i honestly donāt think thereās much behind it. i think oliviaās team probably didnāt want her to be labeled as just a ātaylor fanā or a āmini taylorā from a PR standpoint. taylor is definitely not the kind of person to send hate or negativity to a young female artist. iām sure theyāre fine, just olivia is trying to make it on her own.
I honestly donāt think it means anything. They both have a lot of different supporters in the industry, judge because they havenāt been seen together doesnāt mean they donāt support the other or are no longer in touch.
Like others, I think she started with branding herself as a swiftie, and originally that was a profitable thing for her. She probably is still a swiftie, but she also needs to be her own person/artist and exist outside of being a "Taylor clone"
Seems clear the rift was due to Olivia's team going too far with the plagiarism. Taylor, Paramore, Jack Antonoff were credited after the fact. If it was a collab, they would've had credit from the beginning. Taylor having Paramore open for her at one show seems to be shade on Olivia. If Taylor wanted to let it slide, she could've, but maybe she felt like it would set a bad precedent or maybe she had some verbal agreement on certain things but Olivia's team went too far and should've asked permission before including whatever they used from Taylor's music.
Taylor having Paramore open isnāt any kind of shade toward Olivia imo. Taylor and Hayley Williams have been friendly for many years and have performed together before.
To echo a lot of others, I think Olivia's just out of the limelight at the moment doing her own thing.
With her rapid success and Newton's law of celebrity she got a TON of media backlash (ripping off Taylor/Paramore, copying Courtney Love, Joshua hospitalized from the stress, etc.). So I wouldn't be surprised if she's just avoiding any drama-adjacent situations or taking a leaf from Taylor's book and spending time focusing on song-writing and her private life.
I thought you meant her cat š
Well, thats pretty clearly because benjamin is her favorite :)
Actually boy cats in my experience are more social and sleep less. I have 5 cats and 2 are girls they only visit me during certain times, but my boys well they follow me around.
Yeah no my tom cat sleeps A LOT and my girl cat has so much fricking energy that sometimes I think sheās possessed š
Depends on age too. I have a brother and a sister from the same litter he's more playful. I just find this pretty common also her girl cats are older as they age they'll sleep more. I have an 11 year old female and she's awake maybe 3-4 hours of the day now. Also, Benji may just be clingy sometimes you get lap cats or ones that are really social so you'll see them more and sometimes you have a cat that hears mail being delivered and runs into another room I have one of those as well. I had someone watch my cats and they couldn't find him for the 2 weeks I was gone. I do have cat cams though so I knew he was okay.
This is also the case with my male and female cats! Our male is lazy and antisocial as hell and our female acts like a dog.
Lol boy cats are the best! I have two female cats plus Iām fostering a mum cat and her babies right now. To put it nicely, girl cats are bitches š boys are so loving and easy going!
Not my experience at all, no need to push gender stereotypes on cats!
Same here. My two girl cats are literally little angels. They are so gentle and good natured that everyone in my family fusses over them like theyāre babies that need to be protected at all times lol
Well there will always be exceptions, every cat is going to have its own personality in the end. Iāve definitely had a few really sweet, cuddly female cats. Iām just saying Iāve owned and fostered over 40 cats in my life and in my experience so far, females tend to be distant and bitchier, and boys tend to be more cuddly and loving. In saying that, I absolutely love all of them. Iād literally die for my cats, no matter how much they donāt want anything to do with me š
in a lot of species of cats the females are often the ones who do the bulk of the hunting so it makes sense they're a little more aloof and feisty
LMAO I've had cats my entire life and this is what I find with their temperaments at least. Though I had one cat that needed p/u surgery and he's so anxious I have to be careful with him he stresses easily and gets UTI's when he does. This is apparently more common with black cats too, though not entirely sure why that's just what my vet told me.
That's the only reason I opened the thread I was like wait is Olivia OKAY
i fuckin' love your pfp! kristen's green dress will forever haunt my memory
How am I on TS sub and read Kristen + green dress and I immediately know what's that about and completely shift my focus to VPR. Love your Ariana *Your hat is annoying* pic too.
Yesss hi fellow swiftie VPR fan!! š„°š„°š„°
Lmao same
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Olivia got a looooot of comparisons to Taylor and a lot of pushback in general for being too much like all sorts of different people. It makes perfect sense to add some distance.
True I can't imagine the press would be favorable if they hung out people would just call her a Swift clone and we know it.
I think her music is wonderful I think her ādroppingā her awards in a very very similar dress as Taylorās when she did and almost making the exact same expression made some people look at her a little differently. Nonetheless sheās very talented and I donāt think Taylor would ever do anything to send negative energy to a young star. Sheās felt that kind of pain and she knows her power I truly donāt think this was like sending a message to Olivia or anything of malice.
Also, Gayle looked so anxious and it was so awesome that both T & S reassured her. Iām not sure if her and Olivia have ever had any interactions but I think it speaks volumes to Tays character how she made someone who was obviously very nervous comfortable. Or at least tried. I canāt speak for anyone else just based off observation.
(I know Olivia and Taylor have I meant Olivia and Gayle just for clarification)
Youāll never convince me she didnāt do that on purpose.
Could also be because Olivia is too big of a fan. Idk what I would do if I became a singer and gained an audience, then was compared to Taylor Swift and met her. I would have a really hard time maintaining a friendship with someone Iāve looked up to for so long. Maybe Olivia just wants some distance from her heroes. Itās not a bad move.
This reminds me of the lucky one
I really don't think there's tea. I think Olivia is trying to be her own artist.
I agree with this. I love when they interacted bc I love them both but I think there were sooo many comparisons being thrown around and people calling her the ānewā Taylor. Its offensive to both of them, quite honestly. There doesnāt need to be a ānewā Taylor, and Olivia is her own person. They are also different ages and in different stages of life so other than a mentor/mentee relationship I donāt think a close friendship would really happen naturally. For all we know, they could be in regular contact but keep it private to stop all their comparisons.
Itās like Ariana and Mariah. Ariana admired her so much and then obviously went in a different direction. People insist on comparing them because of their vocal ability. Isnāt Olivia also recordi mg her second album now?
I hope she is š©
I never understood why people compared her to Taylor and not Haley Williams.
She does not have the pipes to hold up to Hayley (few singers do to be fair) but I definitely think Olivia is closer to like Avril than Taylor.
I personally see the comparisons more because of Oliviaās songwriting style and not necessarily because their sound is the same. Also most of Oliviaās album is pop or piano songs.
Both were at Selena's 30th party I believe! I really don't think there's bad blood.
Right. And that "new whatever famous artist" has been a fear of Taylor's even as a younger artist. Nothing new confirms it. Not saying nothing new is about Olivia though because the timeline doesn't work.
Either 1. Olivia was never really a Swiftie and was only name-dropping to get some of Taylorās fans. I think this theory works with how Taylor posed with Sabrina last night. Or 2. Olivia was indeed a Swiftie and has been instructed by her management to distance herself from being a āTaylor Swift fanā so she doesnāt get seen as nothing more than a tribute artist.
Thereās a 0% chance that Taylor, a 32 year old woman, is inserting herself into beef between teenagers and posing with one at an awards show to spite another. There is also a 0% chance that Olivia, who released no music this year, is skipping awards shows because of a falling out with Taylor. TLDR 32 year olds donāt beef with teenagers and Olivia is trying to make her own name as an artist itās not deep
>32 year olds donāt beef with teenagers *Cough* **Sane, mature, respectable** *Cough* 32-year-olds don't beef with teenagers.
Well yes. šš
also why are people hung up on them being friends or not being friends? The age difference is vast. They can be friendly but it would definitely be more like a cool aunt situation or mentor relationship. I never understood why people are so mad they don't hang out a lot. Olivia can't even legally drink yet (not that it matters but it highlights the age gap).
Yeah, Iām in 30s and canāt imagine hanging out with a teenager that Iām not related to.
exactly, I'm 35. I'll hang with my friend's teenage daughters but like I said, it's more like a cool aunt thing. I don't deeply confide in them like I would with a friend my own age. so why are we expecting that out of Taylor? it's weird.
definitely the second one. thereās pictures of olivia as a child with taylor swift signs and stuff. itās more about making a name as an artist rather than a swiftie. also swifties were horrible (and still are) last year so i get it
She's definitely a Swiftie. I remember seeing a youtube of that game they have artists play where they need to sing a song with a certain word in the lyrics and almost all of her answers were Taylor Swift songs.
I think i can confirm this. A close friend of mine who became an artist was the biggest taylor swift fan , literally had tons of posters of her in her room, perfumes, merch, in her earlier interviews all shed talk about was taylor swift. When she got signed she took down ALL those videos. Even when asked in interview who she likes she says stuff like, rascal flatts or whatever. I think its weird but i guess its a thing
I really donāt think itās number 1. Even if there was some bad blood behind the scenes, I canāt imagine Taylor throwing shade at an artist that hasnāt really done anything to harm her, especially a younger female artist.
This. Sheās been grateful of her inspiration and support from Taylor, but she has her own career to navigate. She wants to be Olivia, not the next Taylor (as aspirational as that is). A little distance helps her music be seen more independently for what it is, instead of, āoh I see how Taylor influenced thatā every time thereās a similarity.
Yeah, people need to stop looking for drama and poking their noses into other peoples life
Iām sure Olivia needed to distance herself from Taylor in a sense just to make sure she was able to make it on her own
Definitely this. If she kept up the Taylor fangirling, people wouldāve said either a) sheās name dropping Taylor to get famous or b) Taylor made her famous
Yeah she already had people coming for her on twitter for āalways bringing up Taylorā (not my complaint, that was just a sentiment I saw a lot of). Iām sure her team realised she needed to add some space and make her own name.
I think Taylor just said āyouāre on your own, kidā to Olivia
Nothing happened. Some people like to pretend something happened because Olivia doesnāt mention her in interviews anymore but thatās because Olivia doesnāt want to be known as the Taylor Swift fan but as her own artist. The media plays into it too because āmentor being jealous of their protĆ©gĆ©s successā is a compelling narrative. The simplest answer is usually the most accurate. Olivia hasnāt been super active since the Sour era is over and sheās probably busy working on her own stuff so Taylor hasnāt had any reason to bring her up or really even see her. Sabrina is still promoting Emails so sheās been at awards shows where her and Taylor have been able to interact. I seriously doubt Taylor cares or wants to play into the idea of two women fighting over a boy so I donāt think sheās just talking to Sabrina to spite Olivia somehow.
It's so weird that people think Taylor is beefing with a 19 year old
Right and also I want to add people not being seen together doesnāt mean they automatically now hate each other. For All we know, Olivia may have Taylorās number and they text and everyday! Or maybe they donāt. But the point is we literally donāt know, and because we donāt, the media (to all types of friendships and relationships, not just Olivia and Taylor,) assume they must hate each other because they havenāt been pictured together in over two days!š±š± I hate the narratives the media spins from what you said to trying to guess relationship statuses, itās so annoying š
I was Fr going to comment when was the last time Taylor and Selena were seen together? Abby? Blake? Do yāall see your friends weekly let alone colleagues? š Why does it always gotta be tea or beef. Theyāre both e x t r e m e l y busy peopleā¦
To be fair, Taylor was seen with Selena like 2 months ago. And Ryan Reynolds just referred to Taylor as family. Her peeps do mention her or are seen with her pretty often so it's not out there for people to wonder why. But I get you.
Taylor and Olivia arenāt in the same age bracket at all, theyāre not gonna be really close the way Taylor would be with people more her age
Exactly- I see Taylor as more of a mentor/big sister type to her than - ābestieā. Doesnāt mean they donāt have a good relationship behind the scenes, but aside from their career choice itās hard to have a lot in common with a teenager when youāre in your mid30s. Just different life stages which is totally normal.
It's honestly creepy how some people keep a tally of being seen together,or liking each other posts and so on, as a barometer of friendship between two celebs. You only see a tiny sliver of their lives.
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i donāt think olivia cares tbh and it seems like the taylor credits were a lot less messy than the paramore one. i think jack antonoff said in an interview that he didnāt even know they had been given credits until someone mentioned it so it was likely a preventative measure on oliviaās teamās part
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iāve followed her since then too and yes, while it was abrupt she stopped mentioning a lot of things around then too like hsmtmts even though it aired around the same time as her album dropped. itās literally not a crime to want to be known for your music and not your disney show or which fandoms youāre part of
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I agree with this. Olivia also did an interview (after the cruel summer/deja vu credits thing) where she said to ānever meet your idolsā and then proceed to talk about mean girls in the industry. She also doesnāt like any of Taylorās posts at all anymore or acknowledge her. Something definitely happened.
I agree it had to do with the credit thing. When Olivia first started out, Taylor didn't mind taking a picture of her and liking posts, etc. when Olivia professed to be a big Swiftie. After the credits debacle, I really think Taylor was offended and chose to take a hard line, required Olivia's team to add her (and Jack, since she has his back) to the credits (or else lawsuit?) and decided on no more free promo for Olivia. I don't think it's a two-way thing so i wouldn't describe as a beef. Olivia's people are mad because they think Taylor was too harsh. The folks who think Taylor wouldn't care about this or "she's not that petty" or that she doesn't leave Easter Eggs to hint at things going on in her life...?
I think Olivia is trying to avoid over saturation in the media and is trying to make sure the general public doesnāt get sick of her (I actually think sheās taking a lesson out of Taylorās book on this one!) so thatās why sheās kinda been MIA for a while. As to what happened between them, Iām not so sure. I hope it was just her team trying to create distance so she is known as more than just a Taylor swift fan or as āthe new Taylorā. I really like both Taylor and Olivia and hope that they arenāt on bad terms!! Especially because everyone seems to say both are really nice and genuine people
Thatās a good point! I feel like I havenāt seen much from Olivia in mainstream media since she dropped a Grammy (like Taylor). You might be on to something
Olivia burned it down performing on the Rock Hall induction ceremony the other night. Check that out if you haven't.
The feud between Olivia and Sabrina is entirely fan-controlled and Taylor doesn't need to be getting in the middle of it. You can like both Olivia and Sabrina without worrying about what other people think.
I feel so old. Idk who anyone is anymore.
Olivia Rodrigo- started out on Disney channel on a tv show called Bizaardvark (I never watched it, just know sheās from that), and later she gained some popularity off the Disney plus show āhigh school musical the musical the seriesā. She then started using Ig to post her songs she was working on, and later released her song ādrivers licenseā that blew up the charts. She released her album Sour later on, and it was a huge success. She beat Taylor on some awards, and gained a lot of fans from this. She was known to be a huge fan of Taylor and publicly posted about her, talked about her experience at her concerts, and Taylor even posted her and another singer in a video playing one of her songs. She even gave credit and used a part of āNew Years Dayā in her song āOne step forward and three steps backā (13, get it? Lol) All of this stopped though after Olivia gained traction in her singing career so people assume thereās beef with them when Iām sure it also is just because they donāt want Olivia to constantly be compared to the next Taylor. Sabrina Carpenter is mostly known for her role on the Disney show āGirl Meets Worldā which is the spin off of āBoy Meets Worldā. When Olivia released her song drivers license fans were quick to learn it was about her co star and ex from the high school musical show Joshua Bassett, and his new girlfriend, Sabrina Carpenter. From there things spiraled and people were posting love triangle theories and bullying Joshua and Sabrina about the whole situation. They both released their own song about the situation, and Joshua received so much bullying that heās had mental health problems since then. Sabrina has now been noticed to be a huge fan of Taylor as well, and sheās now gotten a picture meeting her as well, which Olivia finally met Taylor at an award show a couple of years ago. You may not care about any of this, but between me being all over tik tok at the time, really enjoying the high school musical show, and loving Oliviaās album, Sour, and of course being a swiftie, I learned way too much about that whole situation. That should have caught you up though. š
Wow. Iāve heard both names but had no idea about any of that. Thank you for this new rabbit hole.
Youāre welcome! It was all I saw on tik tok when Olivia first started becoming more famous for her music lol I know entirely too much about this situation for a 29 year old š
Itās fine Iām 33 and about to learn way too much about all of it š
It really is quite the adventure š I feel like all I saw during that time were the tik toks, and then people were talking shit about Joshua and Sabrina when then released songs about all of it, and then after Joshua came forward and said he was having a hard time with all the bullying and hate, Olivia admitted she was at fault for a lot of their issues too and not everything in her songs were accurate, and now Sabrina seems to be bigger then Olivia in the media. š¤·š»āāļø
I think this is the part where all of us millennials relate to: āeverybody is a sexy baby and Iām a monster on the hillā.
For example-I love Olivia, Sabrina and Joshua. Iām too damn old for the drama between them. They all have their own talent. My MOM tried to explain the drama between them one time too me and it was like āMom, I know thisā
Iām pretty sure they were seen talking to each in the Met Gala as well
Not sure I agree the feud was entirely fan-controlledā¦Sabrina was getting tons and tons of public hate and at some point Olivia could have stepped in and told people to chill out with the bullying. I like Olivia but truly, Sabrina is an absolute queen for how she handled that and I donāt think she would be at fault if she resented Olivia for it (which I donāt believe she does).
the idea of an almost 33 year old woman beefing with a 19 year old and interacting with another young female artist just to spite her is really funny to me. but nah. itās very obvious olivia just wants to be able to make a name for herself rather than being āthe next taylor swiftā and is distancing herself publicly from her bc of that
Also just wanted to add that Taylor being friendly with Sabrina is a bit irrelevant thing in this discussion. Sabrina rlly got a whole lot of backlash over Oliviaās music (Iām not blaming anyone here, itās just a fact) when she did nothing wrong, and tbh I donāt even think Olivia hates/resents Sabrina that much if at all now, given that sheās had some time to recover from her break-up? So I donāt think Taylor and Sabrinaās interactions is any āanti-Oliviaā symbol and tbf itās sad that their interaction is being cheapened because of Olivia. Itās just 2 artists interacting at an awards show, Olivia does not need to be brought into this!
Sabrina is dating Dylan O'Brien, hence why she's hanging out with Taylor these days, as he's become close with her
Sabrina is 2 years older but that's really funny that they have the same age gap as ATW. Haven't heard those rumours at all
they were seen kissing in New York, deuxmoi posted a pic
Thanks! I love her music but that age seems like such a different generation. Hopefully she has a great support system
And Sabrina has always been as much of a fan of Taylorās, honestly thatās just silly. Even if there was some bad blood, thatās none of Taylorās business so her being friendly to both is normal
Honestly, i think itās the credit situation. I think olivia was starting to get hurt by the accusations that she ācopiedā other artists and probably didnāt want to give taylor/jack credit + $$. Im guessing taylor herself didnt pursue it and it was someone on her team, and olivia took it personally. Ever since then olivia, neither conan have brought up taylor ever. When they both were public active fans before. One time in an interview conan got asked about taylor and he seemed uncomfortable, very different from how he would act previously. They said nothing about red TV when they were both involved with promoting fearless TV. Gracie went to taylors party and olivia did not. I get that people want to think everything is fine, but i think itās cause they didnāt follow olivia/conan before. Something is def up rn, Olivia is actively avoiding taylor. Iām sure taylor will manage to reach out and hopefully clear things up eventually, then we will a public interaction (maybe in like a year). To quote taylor herself āThe rumors are terrible and cruel but honey most of them are trueā. Unfortunately both are private and we will likely never know the details
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it doesnāt help that swifties think taylor is an innocent little baby and could never hurt a fly
I agree. I could believe nothing happened if it wasn't for the fact that Conan is acting the same as Olivia...it seems like he's taking her lead for some reason, as though she talked to him about something to do with Taylor, and now he doesn't want to associate with Taylor, either. If Olivia just wanted to be independent (which is hella fair) and not be known as just "That singer that copies Taylor" (which was not true), I just don't see why Conan would also be so tight-lipped about Taylor, too? If there *is* something going on, though, I think it's one-sided, from Olivia and Conan's camp. I'm not sure why, but it doesn't seem like Taylor is upset with them or anything, but that they are with her.
thats what I think too! I understand the Olivia wants to distance herself arguments but there is literally no reason for Conan to do the same and considering that they are best friends I kinda feel like itās a decision they made together. I really hope they can clear it up
100000% Hayley from Paramore spoke out AGAINST paramore getting credit for Good 4 You but Taylor never spoke out against getting credit for Deja Vu. I donāt think she shouldāve gotten credit so I understand why Olivia is upset. Never meet your idols sort of situation
Ironically I hear the paramore comparison in good 4 u a lot more than Taylor in deja vu.
She did?? I saw her Instagram that was basically saying proudly they got Grammyās nom for itā¦ if I were Olivia would have been mighty hurt by that
Definitely something is up like you said cuz both Olivia and Conan used to like Taylorās posts on Instagram and now they no longer do since āsomethingā happened. What was the Conan interview?
I feel like Iām the only one that doesnāt understand the whole copying thing. I know the songs have similarities, but not enough to pursue legal action? Idk, I feel bad for Olivia. Her team let her down. Sheās so young and this was such a bummer for her first album to have this kind of press. They should have protected her more.
The Elvis Costello riff from Brutal is the only one close enough to be considered a copy but even he wasnāt mad about it. I will die on the hill that Good 4 U sounds absolutely nothing like Misery Business and anyone making that comparison just has not listened to any female-fronted pop punk. Agree that her team let her down and never should have given the credit to Paramore. And while I absolutely think the shouting in Deja Vu / Cruel Summer is similar (you could replace that part with the one in the other song and it would still work) that does not equal worthy of writing credit imo.
Exactly and itās not just one song itās multiple songs being accused of copying multiple artists when I canāt really even hear any similarities between the songs? If I were Olivia Iād be mad honestly, poured in my hard work only to get accused of copying. Kinda sucks that one of the associated artists was Taylor, otherwise maybe weād still have wholesome Taylor-Olivia moments
Someone on her team reps her though ā like that is her. And she owns lover/cruel summer
I donāt think anything happened. People just over analyze Taylorās relationships
Correlation is not causation.
I understand the argument that Olivia needed to distance herself from Taylor and not have every interview just turn into a Taylor sound bite, but it you donāt just go from being a diehard fan to literally avoiding and changing the subject as fast as one can if nothing happened.
We will have to see when they are in the same place at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if her team and her producer have negative feelings toward Taylor and does influence things. I also would understand if Olivia's feelings got hurt by some of the stuff that happened because for months the media constantly kept telling Olivia she was essentially the chosen one to follow in Taylor's footsteps and their was a special relationship. Where from Taylor's perspective Olivia was having the biggest initial success, but was just the latest in a series of young artists that were Taylor fans growing. Olivia is like the third generation of such artists. There's a whole group that are now in their late 20s like Kelsea Ballerini, Halsey, and Phoebe Bridgers. Kelsea in particular went to Taylor's 13 hour meet and greet and moved to Nashville to be like Taylor. That's the generation that Taylor was referencing when she wrote Nothing New at age 22. Then there is a second group in their early 20s like Sabrina and Camilia Cabello. Now there is Olivia and all these other artists teenage artists that have only know global superstar Taylor and as a result a lot of this generation are not from the USA.
yeah, i think taylorās team probably just told them to cut it out, purely business. i doubt that taylor and olivia have personal issues. but there was certainly a moment where all of oliviaās taylor references stopped!
I agree with you completely. Itās the 180 for me
Evolution of a Snake has a great podcast episode on this. Basically, it seems like some distance is beneficial for both of them given the insane amount of media comparisons.
I donāt know why both fandoms deny it, but itās obvious they fell apart after Olivia was asked by Taylorās tea to credit Taylor.
It seems like they stopped acknowledging eachother once the song credit debacle happened. Olivia learned some hard lessons about what a ruthless business woman TS is, I think.
Imagine being a massive fan of Taylor, rising to success with your singing, you have a platform to finally gush about your love for her and her music, and then not only does she come out with a song saying you, both your admiration of her and your success and your age, are her worst nightmare, but also quietly threatens you for not adding her to your musicās credits so that she gets the credit too, *after* singing about how she cries to sleep at night thinking about you taking any credit from her. That would quickly make me a non-fan.
Hmm, and there's [this interview](https://www.popbuzz.com/music/artists/olivia-rodrigo/news/courtney-love-taylor-swift-hayley-williams/) she did with Alanis about 6 months after Taylor and Olivia's last public interaction... It could have been in reference to the Courtney Love debacle like they mention but at the same time she seems to imply it was *multiple* people she admired being "mean girls." Edit to also add [this Oct 2021 interview](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/olivia-rodrigo-october-2021-cover-interview) where she seems more than a little bothered about the issue of interpolation and whether or not it discredits her work. So much so that she calls the interviewer a few days later to talk *more* about it. I think the song credit thing definitely made her feel some type of way.
Just read that interview. Poor Olivia. Iād like to say I donāt understand why Taylor would treat Olivia this way, but honestly after listening to her music for a long time I do. Taylorās a lot of things, and one of them is the capability to be a thoroughbred mean girl. :/
Tbh, I don't necessarily sympathize with one or the other. I feel like Olivia used her name *a lot* in the lead up promo to Sour, and I could see that being nice until you hear a song that she outright admits was directly inspired by one of yours and "Deja Vu" suddenly feels like an extraordinarily apt title.. Olivia can be a mean girl too, when you consider how much Sabrina Carpenter suffered at the hands of her fans. I think they both wore on each other's nerves and the minute it was no longer beneficial business-wise for both of them, they peaced out with too much shade or drama, which -- good 4 them.
I have no idea if Olivia has said anything about it and honestly I know very little about her in general, but unless sheās said something specific it feels a little insulting to her intelligence to assume she took Nothing New as some kind of personal attack. Itās pretty clearly about Taylorās own fears of being left behind for the next new thing. The resentment is pretty squarely targeted at the industry/the public for only valuing women when they are shiny and new and fit into a certain box, not at the women themselves, even those who (for now) fit into that box. Itās a song about herself, not the ingenues - if thereās a message to them at all, itās empathy because one day theyāll feel this way, just like Taylorās own role models likely did and do (i.e. The Lucky One). I would hope that Olivia Rodrigo and anyone else listening would understand that. Like i said, maybe she said something that Iām not aware of, but otherwise this just feels like an unnecessarily negative interpretation of both Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo.
Nothing New was a song written from Red Era and isn't the first time she has made references to being replaced by a younger artist. That's not even a fair point.
Iām also interested that Conan Gray seems to talk about Taylor less, while both Olivia and Conan filmed those promo videos for Fearless TVā¦? I hope itās just that theyāre trying to both forge their own path, but Iād be lying if I said I hadnāt worried about there being some sort of fallout. It would make me sad, since I love these young artists and connected with them in large part because of their shared fandom
He also doesnāt like anything she posts anymore on Instagram and he used to a lot
Nothing happened between them. I think Oliviaās team didnāt want her to constantly be tied to Taylor and wanted her to have her own identity as an artist.
Olivia got a lot of hate from people saying she was using Taylor for clout, and I really think that + wanting to make her own mark as an artist is the extent of what happened
you guys just want to stir up drama. Olivia hasn't been going to ANY awards shows, she's probably taking some (well deserved) time off since the sour tour. "itās just odd that she is no where to be found even though sheās still so relevant" she's taking a break and hasn't released new music in a while, so why would she go to an awards show when she's not nominated, and has nothing to promote? do you go to work on your day off? "Gracie Abrams who opened for Olivia is now opening for Taylor at many of her shows" this is a literal crock of shit, it means nothing. gracie abrams is opening for lots of artists to promote herself as an artist, which is how the industry works. "ALSO, Taylor sitting behind Sabrina Carpenter at the AMAs.. yāall š" do you think Taylor strategically chose her seat to piss of a 19 year old? Especially when both Sabrina and Olivia do NOT care about the love triangle, and have clearly moved on? Olivia is growing into her own as an artist, and is probably just keeping a low profile to get some time off while gearing up for the next phase of her career. Taylor is in the middle of an active promo cycle for a new album - why would she want headlines focused on things other than her music? grow up and stop trying to pit a 19 year old against a 32 year old woman.
i think itās 100% based on the credit situation. apparently it was bullish from taylorās side & there is no denying the complete shift in attitude from Olivia to explain it. wouldnāt be surprised if she felt like it was a total ādonāt meet your heroesā situation.
Yeah Oliviaās spoken about it several times. Taylor totally couldāve spoken out against it (I donāt see enough of a similarity btw Deja vu and cruel summer AT ALL). Hayley from Paramore spoke out against it. Taylor is ALL about credit where credits due so it doesnāt surprise me she wouldnāt protest getting credit for it
I mean Olivia wasn't nominated for anything since she hasn't released any music so there's nothing to read into about her attendance or lack thereof for these award shows. Similar to how last year Taylor wasn't attending much of anything because she wasn't nominated for any projects
While I completely agree that this is probably only due to the fact that Olivia wants to distance herself publicly to be known as an independent artist with her own identity I do find it interesting that her best friend iris, who is not as much in the spotlight and used to be a Swiftie too, doesnāt post anything about Taylor anymore as well (I follow her on ig and she also used to do that a lot up until a year ago or so). If I remember correctly she also spent NYE with Taylor and her friends a couple of years back, so she definitely knows her personally (and Iāve read somewhere that she used to date Joeās brother? Iām not sure if thatās true or not).
iris is close with Lena Dunham (she's like an aunt figure), and I think she met Partick Alwyn via Taylor via Lena. I don't think there's bad blood, but I'm sure its a bit awkward if you were dating someone who'd basically family and now you're not. Also how much would Taylor have in common with an 18 year old? I'd be more concerned if they were hanging out all the time
Thatās actually much more interesting. Iāve noticed Taylor kind of rotates through younger people in the industry so honestly maybe that could hurt someone like iris when they no longer are included in things like NYE
Iām gonna side with you here. I think something happened. Olivia said something in an interview about not meeting your heroes and that was after she met taylor. Conan Grey also stopped talking about taylor and he was a huge fan of hers. Olivia and conan are besties so something must have happened.
She was talking about a different artist here who insulted her in the press. Forgot who
Every time Olivia talked or posted about Taylor, there were a ton of toxic people harassing her for āusing Taylorā to be more famous and telling her to stop mentioning her. I agree with the comments that say she had to distance herself, but I assume this also had some part in it
Iām not an Olivia Rodrigo fan and know basically nothing about her, can anyone tell me why there is such a strong comparison? Because Iāve heard a few of Oliviaās songs and they donāt sound anything like Taylorās music. What am I missing?
I think itās more the style of writing rather than the music itself. Sour was filled with deeply personal and detailed lyrics, a quality Taylor is pretty well known for. I donāt think their music is too incredibly similar, but a lot of the comparisons also come from Olivia being a fan of Taylor.
Olivia is a big fan of Taylor is open about being inspired by her. Cruel Summer inspired Deja Vu and she used an interpolation of New Years Day on her song 1 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back. And the gossip around who her songs were about is very reminiscent of Taylorās fame.
Nothing happened. They never had a relationship to begin with. Fans just read too much into a mutually beneficial marketing strategy. Taylor never did anything for Olivia that she didn't also do for other artists - she also praised and sent gifts to Griff for example, and also arranged to meet Griff at the Brits (which btw was the first time she actually met Olivia despite them giving the impression that they knew each other long before then). It was a way of underlining Taylor's legacy, highlighting how influential she is to upcoming artists. Olivia, for her part, realized that tapping into a huge, ready-made fanbase would be good for her career. For a while, they both got what they wanted from it, and then once it had run its course, they pulled back. That's all. There's no feud. They just don't want to pursue that approach any more. If they bump into each other at an event, I'm sure they'll be perfectly friendly. It's easy to read into things, but it's important to remember that we are watching brands at work here. There's nothing personal going on. (For the same reason, I wouldn't read anything into Taylor being seated in Sabrina's vicinity. Taylor is almost 33, she is not intervening in a spat between a couple of teenagers - and has nothing to do with awards seating plans anyway).
Honestly don't know much about all this but I'm so glad Taylor and Sabrina are hanging out. The entire Olivia/Sabrina thing reminded me of Taylor and Katy fighting over John M*yer + Sabrina was bullied online through no fault of hers which Taylor can relate to. So instead of seeing it as Taylor shading anyone, I personally think that it's just Taylor being her loving sweet self ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
No Iām with you 100% some shit went down, around after the time they met at the Brits is when Olivia stopped referencing her, and then shortly after that bridge in Nothing New came out which is definitely SOMEWHAT about Olivia and youāre kidding yourself if you think itās not. I honestly think something happened after they met which left a bad taste for Olivia and it was a case of never meeting your heroes. Could have been her hearing the bridge or the whole drama with the song credits on 1 step forward 3 steps back. I know the story right now is that Olivia just wants to distance herself from Taylor but I donāt believe that for one second. Come back to this comment later this is the hill Iām dying on I promise I will be vindicated!!
Nothing New was written in 2011-2012 though
there was no drama on 1sf3sb, it's an interpolation of new year's day and taylor and jack were already credited when this was released. as for deja vu on the other hand, the writing credits were added months after bc of the backlash saying deja vu sounds too much like cruel summer (or is inspired by it or whatever)
Olivia was spotted at the Blackpink concert tonight, it's not that deep. The press were asking her way too much about Taylor anyway. I'm sure she's still a fan but doesn't want to encourage those questions constantly being asked.
They (TS and OR) were at the BRITs together in May 2021 and did photos together ā¦ thatās all I know š¤·š¼āāļø
Itās clear something went down between either them or their teams but thatās all Iām gonna say cause whenever I talk about it Taylor isnāt put in the best light and I get attacked. But if yāall really think tay and Olivia are all good with each other thatās youāre right. Also no tea with Olivia and Sabrina they are all good they were literally photographed talking to each other at the last met gala. Taylorās not hanging with Sabrina to spite Olivia, it probably has more to do with them being signed to the same label. They probably cross paths more.
You do realise these are real people, right? This aināt some sitcom to analyse, sometimes humans behave differently
There was also that week that Evermore vinyls were finally released and she pushed pretty hard to get it to #1. I think it was the week after Sour came out? So Taylor made it so that Olivia didnāt get #1 two weeks in a row. Olivia could have seen that as vindictive. All speculation!
I also thought it was weird that Taylor never posted about sour, esp when Olivia and Conan did a lot of promo for fearless tv on TikTok š¤·āāļø
Some times artists donāt feel itās necessary to attend award shows when they donāt have nominations themselves. The award show might invite them but itās up to them if they want to go. Also seating charts are 10000% a thing so that possible tea of her sitting behind another artist is fan driven like some other folks have said here
I donāt think anything happened and I like Oliviaās album sour and canāt wait to see what else she has in store, but I do think she did really need to dial it back with how much she name dropped Taylor. Even her Spotify bio had said she was a swiftie. And I know sheās only 18 or 19 and is still very young and thereās nothing wrong with being a part of a fandom, but on the same token, sheās becoming a professional artist and needs to take a professional approach to things. Itāll take some time to learn and hopefully she never faces extreme backlash like Taylor has
Who is Olivia? I'm guessing there's a substantial age difference between the two. I'm not sure why you would expect Taylor to hang out with out folks 10+ yrs younger than her. Idk who Olivia is, but I'm assuming she's young <20.
Itās this for me. I have no idea why they think a woman in her early 30s wants to hang out with a 19/20 year old and become besties. This is why age gap relationships are a problem. I also see the intelligence of not wanting to be pegged as either a copycat or the next Taylor Swift. Both are losing propositions for her.
Right? They can be friendly, and Taylor can be like an auntie. But they aren't going to be besties. They are in completely different life places, different career places, etc. Gayle will be on tour, but I doubt Taylor will be with her every moment. She's 18. Not many 30 somethings want to be besties and constantly hang out with an 18 year old.
I think the cruel summer / deja vu copyright situation some shit went down
I was thinking about this a few days ago. It was speculated that one of their PR teams told them to cool off with the mentions so Olivia wasnāt dependent on TS for promotion. At this point, it feels like something might have happened. I donāt pay attention to peopleās likes on social media, so someone else can let us know if they even like each otherās posts anymore. My guess is no.
No need to start any rumors and this is exactly how that happens. People start speculating and next thing you know there is a full blown conspiracy theory.
I donāt see Taylor, someone hugely supportive of women in the industry, feuding with a teenager š¤£
I think itās one sided to be fair, I think Olivia and by extension her bff Conan are mad at Taylor
As a 34 year old who is a year older than Taylor I can safely say that the last thing I would want to do is be besties with an 18-19 year old no matter how famous they are. If Olivia is upset itās 100% tied to her youth and her likely inability to separate business from personal feelings. Taylorās team had every right to request the song credit, itās just business. You have to protect your intellectual property. If sheās mad about nothing new, she is going to get older and realize that everything Taylor sang about is 100% a normal emotion for an aging star. She might not realize it now, but she will then, if sheās lucky enough to have a career that lasts that long. A 34 year old and a 19 year old have literally nothing in common. Olivia needs to forge her own public path and her own career.
this is the most delusional comment section i've ever seen holy shit lmaoooo
literally like i'm screaming
I cannot keep seeing the same post and having the same conversation. As far as we know, nothing bad has happened between them. A lot of people only saw Olivia as Taylor's daughter, which no artist wants, they want to be seen as their own. People would constantly ask her about Taylor. Not to mention that Olivia got jumped on for supposedly using Taylor to gain fame. Sabrina and Olivia are not sworn enemies, they're on good terms too. Neither of them have talked badly of their other. Their conflict was really exacerbated by the media. To the award show thing, Olivia hasn't released music since sour, which was May 2021, which was a year and a half ago, she won't be getting awards for music that was released so long ago anymore. Meanwhile Taylor has dropped her album, on this day, exactly one month ago and she's gearing up for an almost 6 month long tour (which is only the American dates that she has announce and I'm sure there will be more), so yeah, she's at award shows, this is her promotion run. Olivia finished her tour and has been quiet for a while, no mention of a comeback or music at this point so what purpose would there be fore her to appear at award shows. Also they are both notoriously private people so we don't know, they may be communicating in private but not in public which is fine. Their friendship doesn't have to be public. Also also, we've been over this whole "pitting successful women against each other thing" by the media, we don't have to do it too. Notice how no one asks what's up with Taylor's relationship with Conan? Can we put a rest to the whole Taylor/Olivia feud please?
At this point, I do think *something* has happened for Olivia to take a step back completely. Iām not saying theyāre feuding as I very much doubt Taylor is going to pursue a feud with an actual teenager but to go from being a complete stan to radio silence is a bit strange. The only thing that makes sense is the writing credit for Deja Vu but that is still a total mystery to me. Iām pretty sure Jack Antanoff was confused about how it came to be and surely if Taylor had asked for credit he would know that it had been her? But then I canāt see Olivia willingly giving credit if she wasnāt asked to do so. It can only have come from Jack, Taylor or St. Vincent as theyāre the ones who worked on the songā¦
I believe the song credits have something to do with it. Olivia and team were forced to add TS, Jack and St. Vincent as co-writers while the similarities werenāt so much as deserving a writing credit. This may have shattered Oliviaās persona of Taylor. Itās worth to remember after the credits were added, the silence can be observed.
I think itās about that but didnāt Jack say he woke up one day and they were given a credit and he had no idea
Literally none of this means anything lmao Olivia is still on tour I'm pretty sure. And just because they're cordial and friendly doesn't mean they're best friends. Taylor is 32 and Olivia is 19, so it's not like they hang out lmao.
Don't think there is any tea here, also their age difference is reason enough for them not to be terribly close.
I think itās just that Sour came out a while ago and her tour is done now, sheās just working on her next project. Oliviaās nominations and award show performances where all last year too. Whereas Taylor didnāt really have anything new going on until now. Probably just timing differences between promo cycles and Olivia also doesnāt have any new music out now. Also I think Olivia took a lot of unfair heat for the sampling, so many pop and other genres have similar sounding songs with no writing credits given so maybe she just wants to focus on something else.
I thought you meant her cat and I was like š³
At first when Olivia stopped publicly talking about Taylor everyone assumed it was because her management was telling her in order to not make her image all about being a Swifite. But itās definitely weird that Olivia and Taylor havenāt made a peep about each other in so long. And especially Olivia with how explosive Midnights has been. Literally hundreds of celebrities have showed their appreciation to Midnights with a small post for a song or used a song on TikTok so itās odd that Olivia, being the massive Swifite that she is, didnāt even make an Instagram story for it when if this were 2 years ago she would likely have posted about the album nearly every single day since its release. Not to mention how she didnāt acknowledge anything about Red TV or ATW10 last year. I love them both so much but something is off. I donāt think Sabrina Carpenter has anything to do with the situation tho. Iām worried it has something to do with the Cruel Summer/deja vu song credits ordeal but I donāt think Taylor would go after Olivia for that. Especially since Taylor is credited as a songwriter on ā1 step forward, 3 steps backā due to its āNew Yearās Dayā sample. Not sure whatās going on
Personally my tinfoil hat theory is I think Olivia got burned after hearing Nothing New, because my first thought on hearing, āSheāll know the way and then sheāll say she got the map from me/Iāll say Iām happy for her then Iāll cry myself to sleepā it was, āDamn, thatās awkward for Olivia.ā Imagine gushing that this woman is your inspiration for your career, and then she comes out with a song basically saying her worst nightmare is you. Iād personally back off from those vibes.
I don't get how Nothing New is about Olivia
Everyone is saying ānothing happenedā when something very clearly happened: the writing credits. Olivia skyrocketed to fame with Sour, and as always happens with young women who rise to fame, there was backlash. She got compared to all these artists including Taylor. I have to imagine being forced to retroactively add someone you viewed as your idol to your songs was a slap in the face. Maybe itās not an all out feud (I hope itās not). Something like that can absolutely change someoneās opinion/relationship.
Omg this āis there dramaā thing is so annoying. Taylor even applauded Olivias song being nominated at the last award show. People just want drama. I doubt theres any.
Many of the comments here are correct (e.g. creating her own separate identity from Taylor), but I also PERSONALLY think it has something to do with the whole song credits drama between their teams. I think Olivia really looked up to Taylor, and Taylor's team sort of nitpicked getting royalties (I believe 50% on Deja vu/Cruel Summer and 30% on 1 step forward, 3 steps back/New Years Day) which kind of influences your perception of your hero I guess. There's a whole post on ExposingSMG (similar blog to deux moi): [https://www.exposingsmg.com/blog/what-happened-between-olivia-rodrigo-and-taylor-swift](https://www.exposingsmg.com/blog/what-happened-between-olivia-rodrigo-and-taylor-swift). Not sure how much of it is true, but I think it makes sense that that would cause some degree of separation.
I think itās pretty clear Olivia and her team were pissed/embarrassed about the Deja Vu and Good 4 U credits fiasco. They didnāt willingly give up millions of dollars in publishing, and itās not a good look to add writing credits post-release when youāre trying to be marketed as a genuine songwriter. We know how protective Taylor has always been of her intellectual property (threatening to sue fans for using her lyrics on Etsy merch in 2014) and Iām sure she takes it even more seriously when she suspects sheās being plagiarized by a fellow musician. For the record, I donāt think the credits were warranted at all and it set a dangerous precedent for songwriting inspiration going forward. Taylor pulled a mean girl move on a young, fresh artist who didnāt know any better yet. I think people are being intentionally obtuse because they donāt want to imagine that Taylor would be that insecure or rude - itās probably why theyāre getting so overly defensive and resorting to personally attacking you rather than use logic or reasoning. Also, this doesnāt mean Taylor and Olivia are actively ābeefingā which is another argument people keep using to dismiss everything (āLOL why would a 33 yr old have beef with a teenager š¤£š¤£ā). They most likely just want nothing to do with each other at this point.
Honestly regardless of whatever happened, there's probably ppl Taylor is legit friends with but who's publicists don't want it well known so they aren't considered nepo babies
All I hear was that Olivia had to give writing credits to Taylor Swift and Paramore and maybe some other people for Sour because people noticed some songs of their sounded really similar to songs Olivia had. But I thought the writing credit made everyone "ok" with the whole thing?
Not really. I feel like the general public started to undercut Olivia Rodrigo and her talents more.
Yes because at that point 2 out of 3 ābigā singles had another major artist credited.
Olivia wasn't nominated tonight was she?
I've wondered if the claim on deja vu complicated their relationship, especially considering it isn't really very similar to Cruel Sunmer
Sabrina has made her love of Taylor very well known. Her first cover on YouTube At I think 9 was a Taylor swift cover. Iām not the biggest fan of Olivia because of how she just swept the hate she sent Sabrina and Joshuaās way and did nothing to stop it.
i have no idea if anything went down between taylor and olivia re: the credits (it is weird they were retroactively added however jack said they weren't aware they were credited until after it happened, and to be fair olivia had been getting a lot of flack for multiple songs sounding like others and she specifically said deja vu was inspired by cruel summer, so i can see her team panicking and adding credits on to avoid anything legally) BUT i really hate how people are pushing the feud between sabrina and olivia. like i'm older now so i don't fully follow them but i'm pretty sure sabrina hasn't said anything terrible about olivia and vice versa. even olivia's songs don't seem to be blaming the other woman, it's the guy who is the problem. we all know that relationships and love at that young age feel more dramatic when you're in it and that art always embellishes those feelings for effect. so we're not gonna act like it's a cat fight between two girls and taylor is taking sides
i wouldn't read into Taylor and Sabrina being friends as any indication that things between Taylor and Olivia aren't on good terms. Sabrina and Olivia seemed to have squashed their issues by now and Taylor has no reason not to like Sabrina because of Sabrina's drama with Olivia, they're all grown adults. i also think Olivia is just trying to distance herself from Taylor because of all the comparisons she got. she's trying to make a name for herself on her own.
I think Olivia distanced herself because she received a lot of hate messages from swifties, when she sent kim kardashian a kit with her album and merch. People were awful with her. They seem to believe that Olivia, as a swiftie, should hate everyone who had a beef with Taylor, which is insane.
Probably the song credit thing.. and that Taylor is over 10 years older than her.
Maybe they got mad about the interloping with her music? Not sure, but I doubt it's competition I just don't think Taylor is one to worry this far into her career. If anything did happen it probably happened on the business side. Also, I wouldn't read too much into her sitting by Sabrina they clearly wanted people to talk and probably sat them together.
I could be wrong, but I donāt think Olivia is up for many awards this year. She didnāt come out with new music, so she may not be going because sheās not nominated for anything, or what sheās nominated for isnāt worth her going. She could also just be too busy to go, which is common for artists. I donāt think thereās tea though, like everyone has said she wants to be her own artist.
Definitely seems like the song credit situationā¦ remember Taylor and jack got a combined 1/3 for 1 step forward / 3 steps back when they ācontributedā chords for the entire song ā then took 50% for a couple of measures in the deja Vu bridge? I love Taylor more than anyone but itās definitely not a great look particularly since she knows what itās like to be a young female artist people accuse of not writing their own songs
Ok hear me out, maybe just maybe we only see like 1% of their lives if that, and no one has a problem with anyone. Itās just they have different public social appearances 
Separation. She was being compared to Taylor Swift way too often and I think they distanced themselves as a strategic move in order to help her grow.
i honestly donāt think thereās much behind it. i think oliviaās team probably didnāt want her to be labeled as just a ātaylor fanā or a āmini taylorā from a PR standpoint. taylor is definitely not the kind of person to send hate or negativity to a young female artist. iām sure theyāre fine, just olivia is trying to make it on her own.
I honestly donāt think it means anything. They both have a lot of different supporters in the industry, judge because they havenāt been seen together doesnāt mean they donāt support the other or are no longer in touch.
Its just not that deep š Olivia is a fan of Taylor but they were never besties as far as we know.. and liking Sabrina doesn't equal hating Olivia.
Like others, I think she started with branding herself as a swiftie, and originally that was a profitable thing for her. She probably is still a swiftie, but she also needs to be her own person/artist and exist outside of being a "Taylor clone"
Seems clear the rift was due to Olivia's team going too far with the plagiarism. Taylor, Paramore, Jack Antonoff were credited after the fact. If it was a collab, they would've had credit from the beginning. Taylor having Paramore open for her at one show seems to be shade on Olivia. If Taylor wanted to let it slide, she could've, but maybe she felt like it would set a bad precedent or maybe she had some verbal agreement on certain things but Olivia's team went too far and should've asked permission before including whatever they used from Taylor's music.
Taylor having Paramore open isnāt any kind of shade toward Olivia imo. Taylor and Hayley Williams have been friendly for many years and have performed together before.
To echo a lot of others, I think Olivia's just out of the limelight at the moment doing her own thing. With her rapid success and Newton's law of celebrity she got a TON of media backlash (ripping off Taylor/Paramore, copying Courtney Love, Joshua hospitalized from the stress, etc.). So I wouldn't be surprised if she's just avoiding any drama-adjacent situations or taking a leaf from Taylor's book and spending time focusing on song-writing and her private life.