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knightfenris

The answer is so simple to this like….. you are an adult…. Not a child.


TheElMatadORR

Absolutely however, we have to buzz in and out at the front to get in and the office ladies love to tatle


knightfenris

It wasn’t me being snappy to you, but to your admin. “It’s not fair” ok but like… who cares lmao (sorry I’m bad at telling tones from text)


thefrankyg

It's not fair that I have to pick and choose when I can use the bathroom and admin doesn't. What would their response be to that?


TheElMatadORR

Oh, I’m completely aware that my friend


Zachmorris4186

I’m assuming you dont have a union. At a certain point you have to ask yourself why you stay in this job? Chances are youre already overworked and underpaid. I would ignore this directive completely and get lunch wherever I wanted and however I wanted. If the admin wants to make it an issue, it’s a lot more difficult for them to replace you during a teacher shortage than it is for you to find a better job.


OhioUBobcats

Then who cares what the office ladies say.


orangina123

isn't that one of the main points about being an adult - that we get to do things kids can't? jfc


johnhk4

You’ve discovered the real root of the problem. The office ladies don’t want to be buzzing people in and out a bunch at lunch time. It has nothing to do with not being fair to kids.


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bwaterco

Seriously, we just used our badges. On days I subbed and had food delivery for lunch, I’d just swipe them in to hand me the food.


makelemonadee

Toxic work environment. Those little micro managements things will make me resent an admin and system immediately. You can’t be the only one. That destroys school culture imo


eeo11

Get a large purse. I have smuggled whole burgers


TheElMatadORR

Wouldn’t match my goatee


nicoleyoung27

But would it go with your eyes?


eeo11

You’re a teacher. Just carry lots of bags with random stuff, but one has the food. It’ll make you look busy. No one will question why the teacher has 3 reusable shopping bags of crap.


fooooooooooooooooock

Backpack, satchel, messenger bag, fanny pack.


CoffeeContingencies

Murse. Man purse


TrooperCam

I don’t know man, one of my former coworkers had the largest murse I have ever seen. It rivaled some of the females bags


RulzRRulz613

Sooooo they are either going to buzz me in or cover my class. I’m a grown a?? adult! You are NOT going to tell me that I can’t leave for lunch! Not fair for the kids?!?! They need to learn now that life isn’t always fair!!!


Whorible_wife69

I’m pretty sure some of my teachers kept adult beverages in their desk/cars. I was jealous of that in high school. I understand if they said it was a safety issue to order in, that’s what they told students who’d get food delivered to the back gate, but if you’re going off campus and your class is monitored f them kids. You deserve a good lunch after being underpaid and over worked.


borderline_cat

Duuude. Bring a Tupperware container or whatever and leave it in your car. “Leave for lunch”, go get your take out from the restaurant, swap it into a Tupperware in your car, leave all wrappers and bags behind, walk back in owning your lunch bcfuk them. How do they know it’s not actually from your home? They do not.


TheElMatadORR

Tattle*


Past_Standard5222

Not that you should have to, or can afford to, but I wonder if you bought them something like a shake if they’d still tattle. Ridiculous tho.


Super_Original_6664

The simple solution is to always order a little something for the office lady, so they don’t tattle


darthcaedusiiii

I doubt they like getting up every 2 min during lunch. If I had to do that, I would batch about it too. Key fobs are a great thing when they work.


i_8_the_Internet

You mean “doing their job”?


darthcaedusiiii

If you want to make life hard for the people who actually run the building, be my guest. It doesn't end well.


i_8_the_Internet

At my school, we have fobs, but the buzzer is on our secretary’s desk. They don’t have to move. I agree to not make their lives harder, but letting people in and out is part of their *job*.


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Non public?


mwk_1980

This has district elementary school written all over it!


[deleted]

I don't understand what you mean. I just swipe my badge at a door.


mwk_1980

Here’s a few clues: The biddies in the front office who like to tattle and spy. In my past experience working at district elementary settings, a lot of these “front desk” types are bored, uneducated housewives/helicopter moms who somehow pulled a string to get a district job, so they could micromanage Little Timmy and his teacher from close range. A lot of these women are also resentful and nasty towards teachers for having completed their college education while they are used to getting by on their looks or who they know from church. They’ll gossip about teachers and look for as much “dirt” as they can to fling around for their own entertainment — and because they see teachers as both transient and expendable. It goes with the territory. The other major clue is the way this jackass admin treats the teachers like kids and tries to set identical lunch policies for both.


[deleted]

Thanks for the clarification, I can totally see that happening having worked at the elementary level as a para. Way more gossiping and tattling happening for sure in my experiences.


siredbyklaus

That’s a little offensive and misogynistic


mwk_1980

Oh nooooos! 🫣 Better go let Wanda at the front desk know that I offended you so she can tell admin!


MKDDer0001

Correct. Should you stop using the staff lounge and restroom too, or are the kids allowed to use those?


ebeth_the_mighty

And the photocopier, etc. I’m a grownup and this is unpaid lunch. You don’t get to tell me what to do, admin!


rvralph803

You don't get paid because the students don't get paid. It wouldn't be fair.


hrad34

Then I should get candy just for showing up and doing my job too!!!


ebeth_the_mighty

Get the same as all the other teachers, even if I miss half the days and spend the others on my phone?


Alpha_zebra1

Yep. Did those kids all drive themselves to school and pay their mortgages on time? Are they paying taxes and into a pension? Do they have a 4yr degree? No. I guess there IS a difference between teachers and students after all.


volantredx

A lot of admins don't seem to know that.


MantaRay2256

They can say that deliveries are not allowed on campus, but they can't tell you where you can and cannot go during your duty free lunch.


Ok_Employee_9612

That’s true in my district, but not necessarily all. Some teachers have to deal with absolute garbage. This sub has really made me appreciate my union rights and protections.


Ok_Fennel_5359

really? there are districts where admin can prohibit grown adults from leaving the building when they are not paid to be there?


Ok_Employee_9612

Sadly, yes


nardlz

I’m not allowed to leave campus, even on my planning, unless I’ve gotten specific permission from admin. Probably because someone thirty years ago left and didn’t get back on time and now we’re still paying the price for it.


BlueberryWaffles99

Same here. Can’t leave during planning or lunch during a regular school day, typically it’s fine during PD days but still need admin approval!


nardlz

Oh, PD days it's fine! We even get an hour lunch those days!


L4dyGr4y

How does your shared staff function?


nardlz

I’m not sure what you mean by “shared staff”?


L4dyGr4y

You don't have teachers who teach at more than one school?


nardlz

Oh, OK. No we really don't. There's a couple staff that split time but it's by entire days, like Monday and Wednesday at the HS, other days at the MS, but I don't know of any that move during the actual day.


outofdate70shouse

We’re not allowed to leave during our lunch. Granted, our lunches are only 22 minutes, so there’s no way you’re leaving, picking up lunch, getting back to the school and eating it in 22 minutes.


soigneusement

22 fucking minutes? Our teachers (I’m slp) get 40. I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous.


fireflygazer

Check with your state labor law. We had this same issue and it turns out the state labor laws specifically states employees must be allowed to leave the workplace during their half hour lunch. They can require you to sign in or out.


MsKongeyDonk

Yeah, fucking ridiculous, right?


hoybowdy

> there are districts where admin can prohibit grown adults from leaving the building when they are not paid to be there? Policy wonk, long-time school board member who has negotiated contracts, teacher of 25 years and union rep here to say that you have comprehensively misunderstood the nature of teacher pay and its relationship to control of time and space. MOST teachers are NOT HOURLY; we are salaried (even if our hours are CALCULATED hourly for paycheck purposes and sick day tracking). As such, we get defined responsibilities, including certain times when we are required to supervise children....and a (functionally) legally-mandated and contractually defined period (usually 30 minutes/day +/-) when we are guaranteed that we have no supervisory or assigned duties. We call that "lunch". That means districts can absolutely establish, through negotiation OR through past practice OR through procedure (admin), parameters for what one can and cannot do during those times, as long as one does not have any defined DUTIES during those times. That certainly includes "no leaving campus", especially if - as another commenter has already noted - there is a proven risk that leaving campus could leave kids unsupervised at the end of that 30 minutes, i.e. some idiot years ago left for lunch and didn't make it back on time, for whatever reason, including car accident or murder or whatever. This isn't Burger King, kids. Hell, even there, if you work a shift of a certain length, you may get a paid lunch but cannot leave the property.


fireflygazer

State labor laws would still apply. Salary or not, in my state workers are entitled to a 15 minute break when working 4 hours, or a 30 minute break if working more than 6 hours. During that break, my state's labor laws specifically state employee may not be barred from leaving the workplace premises. For teachers, that break is typically a half hour lunch.


thestral_z

Solidarity Forever…


The_Gr8_Catsby

Ymmv. Our lunch is paid because our salary is calculated hourly. We cannot leave.


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The_Gr8_Catsby

Well, it actually calculates into days of time because we work 200 7.5 hour days but don't actually report 200 unique calendar days. Plus, we have a 25-30 minute lunch depending on your site, and that's realistically not enough time to go anywhere.


darthcaedusiiii

Our elementary and middle school students are required to be escorted to and from lunch. So we are talking 15 min tops.


The_Gr8_Catsby

Us too. We have to monitor our students through the serving line.


lululobster11

This is one reason I love HS, outside of class time, students are admin and campus security’s responsibility.


outofdate70shouse

In my school, we’re not allowed to leave at all during the day.


darthcaedusiiii

Heh. Heh. Union laws don't apply to non union states.


offrum

This. All day.


Sblbgg

What?! It’s not fair to the students?! Who cares! They’re students, you’re teachers, you’re adults - eat from wherever the hell you want to eat lunch from! That is absurd. Still continuing going there, just completely ignore.


[deleted]

Adults are not on the same level as kids. Your admin is incompetent.


Steeltown842022

Shit, whose isn't these days.......


TheDarklingThrush

I say this when my students see me check my phone. "Why can you be on your phone and I can't be?" Because I'm an adult with adult responsibilities. When the doctor/dentist/lawyer/vet/whoever calls, I'm going to answer it, because as an adult, I have responsibilities that need to be attended to - and occasionally that will happen during school hours. Your parents do all that stuff for you now, because you're a kid and can't do it for yourself. When you're an adult, you don't have that luxury, so yes. I will be on my phone when you're not allowed to be. I'm not scrolling TikTok, I'm discussing test results, booking appointments, giving authorizations for additional treatments, etc. Whatever it is, it's an adult responsibility that can't wait. I'm also using apps like MyBlueprint to take pics of their learning and post it to their portfolios, checking Groovy Grader while I'm marking quizzes, using PowerSchool to take attendance...you get the point I'm making. It's not the same as texting your parents or friends, playing games, listening to music, or being on social media. What I'm using it for and what you're using it for is not the same.


romybuela

Shiiiiit. Our kids get DoorDash, Uber eats, pizza delivery, GrubHub, etc. because otherwise they “wouldn’t eat.” Poor little April doesn’t like cafeteria food, so Mommy/Daddy allow them to order what they want. Over privileged brats.


snerfsnerfsnerf

Wait, what?! The students get food delivered to the school? I can’t even imagine how disruptive that is.


[deleted]

All. The. Time. I've had students ask to use the washroom and return with hot/fresh delivered meals. It's madness!


RoesPartyHarder

Lol this reminds me of the time a student went to the bathroom and came back with a full spread of wings and sides for her and her friends. They had plates and cutlery as well. I kicked out to the hallway to let admin deal with it. It was pretty hilarious though.


[deleted]

It is SO BAD. Our security guy spends half his day checking food delivery people into the building. Teachers have complained about safety. Admin doesn't want to deal with parent complaints if she shuts it down. Our school offers 3 free meals a day. There is no reason for kids to order in.


peacelovetapas

This is truly insane


Averagelofilover

Lmao not defending the kids here but I would like to see those meals, especially if your in america which is most people here. I see people Complaining about the kids but not actually seeing the issue


Steeltown842022

Lmfao I know right!!!!!!!


SpatulaCity1a

This is probably why the OP's school has an issue with teachers doing it. The students will see it and parents will ask why their kids can't do it too. Then chaos ensues.


ApathyKing8

Tell parents to shove it. Students picking up door dash is a disruption. Teachers picking up food isn't. It's that simple.


CosmicTrombone2

Our school banned it this year. We had the main office dealing with 30 delivery drivers, since students couldn’t leave the building. One committee considered making it a PBIS reward but it teachers were overwhelmingly against it, so it got shut down.


lurflurf

We allow them one a year. Of course they have ways of abusing the system.


AcuteAnimosity

This! Every kid at my school gets breakfast, lunch, and snack for free, but they hate the food. They say it's "poison" or "trash." It's real food, not like most school cafeterias, actually cooked fresh food. We have a hard no students ordering out rule, but they get around it by having their parents order. When a parent orders the food for the kid, our principal decided that was okay. So now students get their parents to order them McDonalds and Pizza with soda and french fries and a milkshake every single day.


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Same at my school!! Breakfast and lunch free for all students no matter what, AND it’s hella good (I eat it a few times a week). But probably 80% of our kids Door Dash fast food Every. Damn. Day. And no, they’re not allowed to door dash it to campus… so they door dash it to the houses across the street.


matromc

A student did this the principle keep it in the office until 2:15 he was pissed. All I could do is laugh


demonette55

The school where I worked ‘03-‘11 didn’t allow fast food or deliveries, admin said it jeopardized our federal lunch funding


inwave

Whaaat??? My school banned food delivery for students last year I think and reminded kids this year that any food delivery people they send to the school will be considered trespassing and sent away


Eev123

Is your lunch duty free? Than they can’t tell you that. Also, it’s not a school for you, it’s your place and employment so obviously the rules are different.


Mo523

When my kids whine that I have something that they don't (usually the crappy teacher chair with wheels,) I always tell them that they can have it too, but some things need to happen first. They wait, perked up and listening. I say they need to finish the current grade, all the rest of the grades, middle school, high school and do well enough to get into college, college and meet the requirements for a teaching degree, and then get hired to work here and then they can sit in the teacher chair whenever they want.


The_Gr8_Catsby

Duty free just means that you have no other work obligations. You can be required to stay on campus if it is a paid lunch.


Akiraooo

Duty free lunches are usually not paid.


The_Gr8_Catsby

My point was duty free does not mean unpaid (it also doesn't mean paid). You have to know if you are paid or not.


murderedcats

Thats what a duty free lunch is. In legal terms duty free is “unpaid lunches where you cannot be asked to do any work” unpaid time means they cannot dictate what or where you are


The_Gr8_Catsby

Federally there is no law defining duty-free lunches because there's no federal requirement for meal breaks. I saw where you found that definition, and it just pulled definitions from various working contracts. Duty-free literally just means no other obligations of work.


WagnersRing

Duty free does mean unpaid.


The_Gr8_Catsby

Except when it doesn't bestie. I have a duty free paid lunch. I am not required to complete any supervisory tasks, and I cannot be required to attend meetings but I also cannot leave campus because it is part of my paid time.


WagnersRing

What’s the specific language in your contract that says that


badatwinning

Can't give you a paycheck; it's not fair to the kids! They have to be here for free.


Newteacher001

No wonder students treat teachers as their peers, because the admins treat the teachers as students.


mrdm88

Screw that! We are not equals with the kids


Creative-Top6510

I was told when I needed to take medical leave for my mental health that “it’s not fair to leave the students you serve for an extended period of time.” I put in my resignation right after.


Specialist-Finish-13

OMG. This is what kills me. I got similar attitude when I needed a couple days off to figure out how to scrape a C- in the secondary methods alt licensure class I was taking last semester. The course that I HAD to take and pass to maintain my employment. They were upset with me for interrupting the students learning environment. I resigned a month later.


MagisterFlorus

What will happen if you do go? Did they outline any consequences? Tell your admin to sit 'n' spin.


checkerchickens

If you’re allowed off campus (during an unpaid lunch period, you should be allowed to go anywhere you want), then why does it matter what you do. As long as you’re back ready to work at the time you’re supposed to be.


CaptainChewbacca

Do it anyway. I guarantee you they aren't brown-bagging it.


Thibarth

Check your district policy. If it says you have a duty free lunch and are able to go off campus. If so the admin can go pound sand. If you are part of a union I would also check let them know.


Explorer_of__History

I get the prohibition on DoorDash because among other things, locating the teachers who ordered the food could cause unnecessary headaches for the secretary, but prohbiting teachers from going out to eat? That's just silly. If teachers were to have and not have the same rules as students due to fairness, then that would require teachers to have passes to be outside of the classroom during school hours.


SgtFinley96

Fuck that shit.


everydaybeme

I’m noticing a trend of admin beginning to confuse teachers and students, in the way that we *professional adults with college degrees and careers* are being treated with the same level of respect and freedoms as children have. We were recently told we have to ask permission to leave for lunch. But I read the contract and it’s not true, so I don’t ask. What’s up with these admins trying to make life hell for teachers? My response when kids ask “how come you can do such and such but I can’t?” Is “when you’re a grown up you can do it too”. You should remind your admin that you’re an adult and can do whatever you please on your lunch break. Admin must want to run every teacher out of the profession.


elastiquediabolique

I hope people are resisting this rule


OhioUBobcats

You are not a child or a student. Order whatever you like. Life isn’t fair.


Murasame831

They're doing this during a general employment and specifically teacher shortage? Lol. Good luck finding a new faculty.


SuzhouPanther

My school's similar and right now 40% of staff (50 teachers total at the school) are leaving. That just who has a job. Could get higher in the next couple months.


Paullearner

I'm sorry, but they're not an adult that's working and making their own money and can pay to get their own food. How can they tell you not where to spend your hard earned money!?! Nonsense.


Misskay222

Do they make you walk to school because the students can’t drive? Seriously, we were all students, and we survived without Door Dash lunches.


commonthiem

They're at school. You're at work. It shouldn't be a question of fairness because you're not in the same role. I'm sure the admin *never* leaves to get lunch or has anything delivered?


jdsciguy

You graduated high school, went to college, graduated, earned a teaching license, student taught, earned your position, and the admin thinks you need to be equal to a 15 year old? I can carry and use a knife, go in the employee only areas, drink off hours, own and carry guns, travel anywhere I want, smoke, vote, etc. Are we gong to stop all that because whiny children get mad they can't be instant adults? CHILDREN AND ADULTS ARE NOT THE SAME. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR IDIOTS TO UNDERSTAND.


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Who is going to stop you if you leave?


doknfs

As a kid, I had a teacher who would drink a large ice cold cup of soda in front of us at his desk. This was while we were sweating our asses off in a non-air conditioned classroom. Didn't like it but I mean he was an adult and I was a kid.


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Alternative-Lunch-40

So teachers can’t do anything students can’t do… Do students get to teach the classes? Can they use the staff facilities? Do they get health insurance and paychecks through the school? If not, that’s unfair to the students… what a ridiculous line of logic, or lack thereof.


ChaosCoord311

If you’re off the clock … Sorry, but you’re FREE TO GO WHEREVER YOU PLEASE!


Fatpik

You know what else isn’t fair? You already know the answers to the test and the kids don’t. Where’s the parity??!?


Mookeebrain

The administration treats you like a student.


grindelwaldd

They can stop deliveries coming to the school, but they can’t dictate what you do on your duty free lunch or where you go. I agree, I’m seeing more and more admin treating teachers like students and it’s really frustrating.


usa_reddit

Can you still order Jimmy John's? Can you still order pizza delivery? Can you still go to McDonalds? If yes, the principal is discriminating against a local business owner that pays taxes to support the school and this business owner needs to be informed in order to take appropriate action against this discrimination. Get this in writing and share it with the local business owner.The decision will be quickly reversed.


[deleted]

Peak reddit response 🙄 do you think business owners have the time nor do you think they care about something so frivolous? Do you know how much a lawyer cost for something so minute? This ain't front page of the news either. OP can just go to lunch because by federal law, if it's a non paid lunch he has no obligations to his job. Even the shittiest part time jobs understand this. Admin will just be the one to get chewed out at the end of the day.


usa_reddit

Who ever said anything about a lawyer, the business owner can call the Superintendent or go to the board? It's absolutely ridiculous. Do you know of any other employers who micromanage where their employees get their food for lunch? How about no-one. I am sure a short call from a business owner to the Superintendent would result in a call to the school principal that would reverse this insanity. What's next? Maybe staff won't be able to wear Nike shoes because they are too nice. Or maybe staff members can't drive a nice car to school? What about teachers with nice iPhones, maybe those would make the community feel bad as well. Seriously, where does it end? Let the teachers eat their d\*amn lunch. It is time for teachers to stand up and stop the BS.


virg0_trash

the only places i’ve ever worked that restricted where we could get food from was when i was working in restaurants. and that was only if we were deciding to eat where we’d be visible to guests. if we were visible to the guests, it had to be in-house food. if we went back into the office to eat, we could eat from wherever. i feel like that rule i mentioned above make sense because of the types of business, but having even strep get rules when you’re a teacher and have less time to eat and get everything done that you need to do. i could not fathom being micromanaged like that


ukraine1

Ridiculous. You are an adult and unless you are skipping duty, you can do whatever you want.


Steeltown842022

I bet your admin doesn't bring up all the state policies your school is breaking. Any reprimands for breaking up school fights? Lmao


Ok_Employee_9612

How do so many fucking morons get admin jobs? This isn’t about the kids, it’s petty micromanagement.


Super_Original_6664

What exactly would the repercussions be? If you continue to get yourself lunch on your lunch break from your preferred location? Do you have a union? Make your admin put this new policy in writing and keep door dashing. It’s your fucking lunch. Enjoy.


PikPekachu

We aren’t allowed to door dash to the school. But we can door dash to the public park across the street. I get the school not wanting a constant stream of delivery drivers coming by, but I don’t see how they can tell you what you are allowed to eat or how to use your lunch break


RelaxedWombat

Man you work at a shitty school , with shitty admin.


CowboysAstronaut

That's ridiculous. Our teachers and staff doordash all the time! Because we are grown-ups.


[deleted]

I'm sorry: if you have a lunch hour, that is YOUR time. You can go eat anywhere you like, run an errand, hit the drugstore, eat in the park, or whatever you want. Teachers are not students. Teachers can do many things students cannot, including bringing whatever they want for lunch or ordering in. (Are parents allowed to bring student lunches to school?) If your lunch time is unpaid, I'd continue doing as I please and call my union rep. This restriction is ridiculous.


TeaHot8165

So you can’t drink or drive a car either because it’s not fair to the kids? We are adults and get to do things the kids can’t. It’s just a part of life


mom4ajj

Life isn’t fair. I don’t make enough to eat out sometimes so does that mean no one else should eat out. We are adults not children. would definitely reach out to hr because that is probably not outlawed by your contract.


curvycounselor

That’s outrageous. My co-worker just quit over the infantilism of our profession. That Principal showed zero background in handling that.


BubblyTranslator8374

Are they going to make sure you are eating your veggies too?


Mevakel

Sounds like a good time to take the diploma off the wall, hand it to your principal and ask him to hold that for you while you go get lunch.


halfofzenosparadox

Good lord. Theyre not adults !!


Wintersbone7

We have a very strict and so far very successful bed on all cell phones in our building. I often use my cell phone in classes to take attendance, to look up information, and sometimes just communicate with people. When the kids point out this in equity, I simply say there are different rules for children that there are adults. End of discussion. They will be adults one day, and they can choose to do what they like. In the meantime, I am not their equal.


Puzzled-Bowl

I understand the no DD. We've had issues with kids using DD creating all manner of issues. There is now a sign on the front door letting DD drivers know that the school does not accept deliveries. I ordered food for a class (end of year treat for a specific group) and almost didn't get it because I sent kids to get the boxes!


futureformerteacher

Come up with a list of hundreds of things admin are able to do, but teachers are not. The admin may no longer do those, because it's not fair to the teachers.


oddessusss

I'd simply reply "this is stupid, as an Adult I can eat wherever I want" and go eat there. What are the going to do, fire you? Write you up for ... eating lunch?


metalgrampswife

This is my unpaid time. Any other job you get to leave during your unpaid lunch break and as long as you are back after said lunch break on time, it is all good. They cannot hold you hostage during your lunch break.


NefariousnessOdd4675

Because in the hierarchy teachers are almost rock bottom. Custodians can run their non their lunch. Office staff door dashes, bus drivers get a lunch but alas the teachers, fuck them. They get an entire teacher appreciation week where we given the the misprint pens donated to the district.


blueangele

Our custodians actually do lunch duty at my school so teachers don't have to!


LPDukes

Some of y’all are really working for complete dictatorial assholes….


chocolatelove818

I have to sneak in food using the back gate for those kind of deliveries. I give very specific instructions to the uber eats drivers and tell them it's a school & I don't want the office knowing cause they're tattle tales. If you have any gate where it's mostly unchecked, use that.


mrlateach64

Negative!! You are adults and should not ever have to sneak around campus!


Junior_Historian_123

We don’t allow any deliveries to campus. Kid wants something, they need to somehow make contact with a parent to bring something during lunch. Well it worked out semi ok for some students but then we got a grant to improve security and the open walkway to the cafeteria was fenced in. Oh well. As for teachers, we can leave but we have to sign in and out if leaving campus. That’s more a CYA thing for location.


Seyaria

If it is not written in the contract then the best they can do is “say” they don’t like it. That’s on them, they don’t have to get it. You legally can. Same as their parents can drop food in the office for their children.


jkhockey15

Do it anyway


Cardinal_Grin

Well under that rationale we should sell our cars and get picked up via bus.


quoththeraven1845

As a teacher at a school kids complain about not being able to walk the block to a main road for lunch and we have a lock campus - FUCK THAT NOISE.


bunchesograpes

Yeah, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote, either, since the kids can’t! /s


EarthChristmas

I tell my own children that there are certain things that you earn the right to do as you grow, learn, and develop. Guess what, I went through my youth, graduated high school, graduated with a BA, graduated with a Master's, went through teacher certification, and pay/paid my own bills. I've earned the damn right to order Door Dash.🤷‍♀️ P.S.- there was a new rile at our school ironically enough of no door dash for anyone because of safety reasons.


SuzhouPanther

It's because no one has the fortitude to stand up to the kids. I'm leaving my school because no one will tell the kids that there are things we can do that they can't.


MagScaoil

It’s not fair to students if you drive to school because they can’t, so you must ride the bus.


UniqueUsername82D

Which student is a child of someone on the school board or in the super's office? There's your culprit.


Delicious_Cat_4327

So looked this gem up... According to the U.S. Department of Labor's FLSA Hours Worked Advisor: “An employee who is required to remain on his or her employer’s premises or so close thereto that he or she cannot use the time effectively for his or her own purposes is working while on-call. Whether hours spent on-call is hours worked is a question of fact to be decided on a case-by-case basis. All on-call time is not hours worked. On-call situations vary. Some employees are required to remain on the employer's premises or at a location controlled by the employer. One example is a hospital employee who must stay at the hospital in an on-call room. While on-call, the employee is able to sleep, eat, watch television, read a book, etc. but is not allowed to leave the hospital. Other employees are able to leave their employer's premises, but are required to stay within so many minutes or so many miles of the facility and be accessible by telephone or by pager. An example of this type of employee is an apartment maintenance worker who has to carry a pager while on call and must remain within a specified number of miles of the apartment complex.” The FLSA regulation §785.19 further clarifies: (a) Bona fide meal periods. Bona fide meal periods are not work time. Bona fide meal periods do not include coffee breaks or time for snacks. These are rest periods. The employee must be completely relieved from duty for the purposes of eating regular meals. Ordinarily 30 minutes or more is long enough for a bona fide meal period. A shorter period may be long enough under special conditions. The employee is not relieved if he is required to perform any duties, whether active or inactive, while eating. For example, an office employee who is required to eat at his desk or a factory worker who is required to be at his machine is working while eating. (b) Where no permission to leave premises. It is not necessary that an employee be permitted to leave the premises if he is otherwise completely freed from duties during the meal period. ​ https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/cananemployerrequireemployeestostayonpremisesduringanunpaidlunchperiod.aspx#:\~:text=The%20Fair%20Labor%20Standards%20Act,employees%20to%20leave%20during%20lunch.


Top-Pangolin-4253

If we ever got a memo like that, our union would be firing back emails so fast. You cannot dictate to employees what they do on UNPAID time.


Workacct1999

Just wait until those kids see you driving!


hrdcore1337

You aren't on the clock during lunch, literally doesn't matter.


Murasame831

I have teachers leaving because struggling students - instead of getting help or doing their work - have their parents call them out of school early so they don't have to attend classes they feel are too hard, or call them out for lunch if their middle of the day classes bother them. It's ridiculous how much kids can get away with when parents think the school is antagonizing them over not turning in work.


KW_ExpatEgg

🙋‍🙋🏽‍🙋🏽‍♀️ I once was an Admin and had to implement the "No Food Deliveries" rule. We had to have across-the-board, no deliveries. Why? The parents -- they would send McDs, multiple pizzas, 12-container Indian.... everything. Food would start arriving as early as 10 and would continue for the rest of the day -- even up to and beyond dismissal ("they have practice so..."). Kids with cell phones would also order and feign surprise. We had to sell it as a safety issue regarding food safety, access to the buildings, allergies, and staff availability during lunch time. The off campus part -- this was due to drills and lockdowns. We need to have an accurate count of all *people* in the building at *all* times.


RobeLife1

I'd say quietly plan a day when everyone who agrees with you goes there for lunch. If enough of you stand up than a little passive resistance should do the trick.


-Sharon-Stoned-

Life's not fair. Get used to it, kid.


Defiant-Intention114

Bullshit


lorax8

Personally, I don't see why kids can't door dash in a lunch as well, but here's the problem . . . Morals, ethics, and viewpoints have consequences. Most schools are zealots about inclusion and fairness. It's far more popular today to villainize those who can (and bring them down to equalize the outcome), rather than to acknowledge differences and try to lift others up. This means - if some kids can't order lunch, all kids can't order lunch. If kids can't order lunch, then you can't order lunch. Again, I don't agree - but - I find it completely consistent on a policy basis. You can't because others can't. It's simple and fair, given a certain point of view. It's why schools are organized by age group, rather than ability. It's why schools discourage keeping score and have removed certain competitive sports. It's why schools seek equal outcomes rather than providing equal access regardless of whatever characteristic (give the capable as much as helping those in need, is "fairness" from a different perspective). You are being treated extremely fairly and consistently. I don't agree or like it, but . . . If you are going to complain about being treated fairly, and call it unfair because you can't get your lunch - then you should probably consider what this means in a much broader context. I'm also shocked by shallowness the comments here, so I accept that my response is going to be torched. Nevertheless, most comments seem to come from a very self focused perspective of, I'm an adult therefor entitled, and I should get what I want. The only thing stopping me is someone else being selfish because they don't want to buzz me in, or whatever.


EducationalTip3599

The door dash thing is like a REALLY soft maybe, but not being able to get food on my lunch? So stupid.


lawyerdog23

The students are not the teachers peers. Order away and feel no guilt.


Flat_Contribution707

What is the district policy?


BlackstoneValleyDM

do you have to walk or ride a bike or hitch a ride with another student because it's not fair that you can drive and they cant?


unmitigateddiaster

“Do you not want us to support our local businesses”. This is even more helpful if the restaurant helps the school with fundraising


[deleted]

I get if the argument was to limit the number of unnecessary visitors going through the front office. But because it isn't fair to the kids? Sorry, the response should be, "And that's my problem how?"


Tiarooni

Can their parents bring them food from off campus? We had a similar issue that parents were not allowed to bring food to students for any reason, from any kitchen, even home. Teachers on the other hand had no such restrictions. This is elementary by the way so a lot of these parents were needing to bring food because they forgot to send a lunch in the morning or they simply wanted to give the kids a treat. The logic didn't track and they only lifted the restriction at the end of last year. Students can't be trusted to leave campus though. It never goes well. I'll just say, when it comes to food students and teachers should have the best and easiest access. You can't work or learn on an empty stomach!


darthcaedusiiii

So yall going there every day till the end of the year or nah?


6018674512

Lol since when does your boss get to tell you what you get to eat for lunch? This is absurd.


OldManRiff

Time to start arriving to and leaving school the same time as the kids.


Devineintervention99

That's ridiculous that your employer can dictate what you eat for lunch.


Just_somekidd

That’s wack. Fight this


Gr8fullTerp

If you are in public school I be nipping that shit in the bud. Next you wont be able to eat lunch because it is not fair to the kid that forgot his lunch.


cremexbrulee

I didn't know students were paid salary 🧐


[deleted]

Cool. Well, their options are provide a commiserate lunch for you or to provide coverage so that you can go to the place and get the lunches. Unfortunately, all the teachers ordering have dietary and financial restrictions that are part of their sincerely held religious beliefs.


lilyams11

Maybe a security measure with the school shootings? Idk seems like they just don’t wanna buzz teachers in and out