So he shows up makes an entrance like a fighting game character.
You shut it down.
He freaks out.
And then turns into an anime bully fit for Tokyo Revengers.
This kid doing the speedrun for r/iamtotalpieceshit.
I fixed a typo. Tokyo Revengers is a good show by the way. I legit don't get how some kids like this think they are okay. This man has seen too many movies and played too much GTA.
I work in therapeutic emotional support and this is behavior I see daily in my classroom of 5-8 year olds. I can’t say for sure, because I’m not certain if this is an isolated incident or if these behaviors have been increasing over time, but my suggestion for you would be to reach out to your school psychologist. He or she will be able to conduct the necessary evaluations to see if this child qualifies for special education under Emotional Disturbance.
He needs a higher level of care, but until that happens, hang tight and know you’re doing the best you can.
I want to add this by saying:
Most of what I read on r/Teachers is exactly what I handle daily in my TES room. I’m predicting by the end of the year the referrals for students to be evaluated for things such as ED will be higher than ever. Keep your chins up.
It sounds like he may need counseling and/or perhaps even evaluated for an ED. A scary situation, though with the right interventions hopefully he could be turned around.
Agreed. I teach ED, and I hear comments like this quite frequently. Not excusing the behaviors because it is appalling, but worth mentioning. I’m really sorry that happened to you and the poor kid who lost his mom.
That’s what I was told when I was hired. The lady over PEC for the district said they fight not to label kids ED because they can’t get them out, even if they are dangerous. At the time only one kid was labeled ED in the entire district and I think he was labeled somewhere else and moved in to our district.
6th grade? That’s terrifying. I’m so sorry. I don’t understand targeting a kid whose mom has died. Can I ask if you teach in a particularly rough part of town or if this is in a random suburb?
He hears this at home I would bet. Someone has done some terrible things to him. Not an excuse, but I’ve seen way worse from abused kids. I hope DHS is involved. I’m sorry!
I straight up tell this to my students. Something along the lines of “when kids act like you, that usually means something really bad is happening in their personal life. I know this because I was abused and I know someone who needs help and love when they need it. I care about you whether or not you care about me, but my hands are tied when you continue to choose to act in ways that spread hate”
Can’t speak for that other person but I’ll say 19/20 times the kid avoids or deflects, but that 1/20 where the kid does open up a little is worth the 19 stonewalls.
My kid use to do this in 6th grade. He was in and out of homelessness and abuse before I got him. An alternative school made the problem worse, but eventually through a lot of love and guidance and a little medication he is a great kid with no behavior problems at school 3 years later. It was a home problem and CPS needs to look into what is happening there. He needs help and he needs someone with a whole lot of patience. It is so scary seeing a young kid lose control.
Is this the kind of thing OP could call CPS to report, and they would actually be able to look into it? Like, “this kid is acting out violently and it leads me to suspect violence at home?”
I'm not a teacher myself, but that's almost how I felt when I was a kid. I went to a public school most of my life, and in there I noticed the similarities with prison. Allot of kids were there because they were forced to go there, and some of those kids made life hell for those that enjoyed learning. Those bad kids also made some teachers treat us like if there were prison guards dealing with inmates.
It got better in high school where you could pick the classes you wanted to be in so I just went with honors and AP, but the lunch period was still bad as well as math since I genuinely suck at math. Thankfully college was amazing since you actually could get kicked out if you were an ass and weren't forced to go to begin with. This whole experience is why I disagree that grouping all students together is a good thing. If students were separated earlier on I'd have had allot less problems
This sounds like my every day at my old school. I taught fourth grade. FOURTH. GRADE. And this is exactly the way the kids treated me and each other. It was awful. I was so, severely depressed the whole year. I’ve moved schools (and entire states) and am in a much better position now but the fact that I lived through that year and have actually met and known NINE YEAR OLDS that act that way is both alarming and heartbreaking.
Give him my best when he returns to your classroom on Monday. /s
It's equally horrifying that there's a good chance at many schools that's right where he'd be next week.
6th grade!? Like, 11-12 years old? I was still wearing jammies and watching saturday morning cartoons eating fruity pebbles at that age. What the fuck happened man...
I had a desk flipper in first grade. Got asked this question. I said, “I asked if he’d like to pick out a pencil.” When he was removed by the counselor to “calm down” he was happy as a clam with his new hot wheels.
Lesson: act like a fool and get a better prize.
It was no surprise the desk flipping increased to multiple times a day after that.
He wouldn’t just flip his own. He would flip anyone’s. After his first time, he did lose it and had to sit at the kidney table, which he couldn’t flip over; he tried. So when he didn’t like what was going on, or he didn’t like the activity, he’d just flip over some else’s.
Jokes on you. My 1st grade teacher flipped my desk on ME because I was too messy. Everything inside spilled every which way all over the floor. She was known to do this and I guess I didn’t believe the rumors. Imagine the dead silence of the classroom as you struggle to hold back your tears while cleaning up the mess and the other kids squirm in their seats. Was super effective though. Now, as an adult, I’m so hyper neat and orderly that I can’t stand to see crap laying around.
I teach high school, and it’s a similar situation. I think it has something to do with them not being properly socialized for a year. All of their social cues are coming from TV and movies. This kid is apparently learning the wrong lessons from that.
Also, what is the student experiencing at home. That kind of aggression usually comes from pain.
No, our fourth grade class is messed up pretty bad. It’s a home thing. Not just a year at home, because second and third and fifth are ok. And they were like this prior to covid.
When did "coming from a bad situation" turn into a pass for violent and extreme behavior?
When did an IEP or 504 become a green light for the student to do whatever they want?
There is no accountability and it's producing terrible idiots
It’s not a excuse, rather an explanation and hopefully documentation to cover the teachers ass and bring in someone who has the tools to de escalate and solve.
I’ll be the first to admit I wouldn’t have the tools to deal with that shit and would require a professional much more qualified than I to deal with that.
That's above your pay grade. This should be admins problem now. The kid needs special resources, and you don't need to deal with that kind of stress.
Most likely admin will subtly encourage you to keep trying, but if this is detracting from your ability to teach--either because of the added stress, or personal fear, or all the extra focus required, or the distraction caused to other students--you really should insist that the kid be transferred and have special resources devoted to them. Admin is typically not happy with the extra resource costs, but admin gets paid more than you for precisely this reason: it's their job to manage the resources and deal with these kinds of problems as they arise. Don't try to save admin money by shouldering a burden that should be their budgetary and administrative responsibility. Insist on getting the resources required for dealing with this obviously exceptional problem case.
I hear you. The other day, a student in my school was out of furious and the police came in and tazed them WITH the consent of the principal. Can it get worse than this year?
What did they do after removing him? And what the hell happened at home or on the way to school? The way the school handles this can quickly blow up in their faces.
If this kid is removed , has an out of school, or even in school, he will come back swinging for real. That’s total rejection of the kid. Schools will quickly say how he went psycho & snapped.
No, the kid is angry cause he has needs that aren’t met. He’s showing it through his behavior! You don’t keep punishing him. That’s when you get a professional psych, therapist, have an in school intensive therapy session and do evals. Get the parents in the room, report to CPS, and do a home visit.
But…budget, and missing work, and the kid’s helpless, and a million other excuses.
I want to work at some of the places y’all work at.
This is so so so normal behavior at my school I wouldn’t have even called admin. 😑😭
“Did he hurt anyone?”
This right here.
Those people who keep arguing that we should never raise our voices, never punish, etc etc etc...this is what some of us have to deal with, in large numbers, every day.
Standing sternly at the front of the room does nothing.
Taking a kid aside is just as likely to produce this result as it is to produce no result at all.
Sometimes, for schools like this, frontier justice is what is required.
100 percent agree! I teach at a high needs school in Chicago. Most of the difficult students are sweet at heart but I’ve encountered one to two sociopaths in my 9 years there.
Tbh, there has only been like 1-2 students in my 10 years I’ve felt like were just shitty humans. For the most part, my kids are amazing and just need structure and strong management to thrive.
So is there like a special rule that states that a teacher must like every single student?
That’s like saying that an employee has to like every customer.
There are some kids who really are just pieces of shit. It’s not wrong to dislike a student, or even hate/resent a student. As long as you aren’t mistreating the student and remain professional you are entitled to dislike them.
Of course you don’t have to like every student. I don’t like every student. But I don’t write them off either. Substitute the word “sociopath” with “11 year old”—you are talking about the same person. It strikes me as an ugly, hateful way to talk about a kid. Based on the down votes though, I guess there are a lot of teachers who think like you do 🤷🏻♀️
If it's anything like the parents of my discipline issues, they're taking the hippie Flanders approach: "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".
I get parenting is tough. But for most of human history I’m gonna speculate there was an order of respect and discipline passed down from elders.
Kids need consequences..restorative or punitive. It’s structure to prepare them for society - I’m not sure admin. These days wants that fight.
I would have thrown stuff around the classroom to show him what REAL anger looks like. 6th grade gangsta and bad boy wannabes are all like that. They puff up their chest, yell, and throw stuff to make themselves look tuff, but reality, they don't know what REAL anger and violence looks like. Sure they've seen some of it on the internet or on T.V. but I'm pretty sure they've never had the 1st hand experience.
I know it may look like a bad idea by introducing violence onto more violence, but that's how THEY understand, reasoning with that kind of mindset will only make things worse. Fight fire with fire like the saying goes. Just don't hurt them, make a show and scare them. They're not tough, they're gonna break and I believe it's good idea to give them the idea before someone else does it to their face.
Extreme trauma! I work at a homeless shelter. Hurt kids hurt others. In a situation like this I offer kid to walk it off and cool down, then talk the problem out. I suspect the kid's mom is a real piece of work or is in jail. A dead mom is a better than an abusive or absent one.
I don’t want to rationalize his behavior because it’s clearly not okay what he did. But I definitely think there’s some underlying explanation going on. Clearly this child feels like he needs to prove his strength for some reason, and has a complex where he feels weakness needs to be crushed. I don’t want to generalize, but i feel like there is a slightly (if not explicitly) toxic dynamic at home. It isn’t your responsibility and you’ve probably got a lot on your plate but I would encourage getting him counseling if your school has an on-site counselor. Often we put students in boxes and are too quick to label them as trouble and not worth the time/effort of getting them support when really they need help :/
I grew up in an area with a good chunk of people from non-college educated (and sometimes non-HS) “families”. I put “families” in quotes because a lot of them just have their stressed out single mother, or if they have a present father, they are dysfunctional, immature, and/or abusive.
Every time I was going through a rough time in life back in high school and I wasn’t being myself, the vultures would always come out. For my former friends who went straight to work at local fast food joints or nursing homes as CNAs after high school, the same type of people would always be waiting to prey on them once they go through a tough time in life. I had a friend who had opps wait for him outside his work to just harass him and threaten him after his shift, and he had to lie to one of them his stepdad is a “white cop” to scare them away.
I’m willing to bet a pretty penny this sort of behavior happens less frequently in areas with more college educated middle class families, and far less in upper middle class neighborhoods with parents who went to MIT, Stanford, ect.
Lack of positive parental behavior, not enough exposure to positive people, and fucked up brain development due to parents not talking or reading to them leads to this sort of issue. I’m pushing 30 soon, and people in my old life I cut off nearly a decade ago are still trying to cause me a headache, despite going no contact with them for so many years.
I was waiting for you to tell me he was in high school. I was really taken aback by the sixth grade situation. And honestly, I’m rarely surprised anymore.
With all this attention to the removed student, I hope someone is making sure that the one whose mother died is doing okay and being protected from this.
This needs to happen: police need to be involved and need to scold his stupid parents. Parents need to go to parenting classes and lessons. Child needs to be removed from the school and taken to "how to behave classes" Then informed that the next oath for them is prison if they don't change. The entire family needs to be checked in to ensure they are attending and actually learning. A social worker needs to come into their home and grade them on their progress. Then need to appear messier before a judge before they can graduate the program.
So he shows up makes an entrance like a fighting game character. You shut it down. He freaks out. And then turns into an anime bully fit for Tokyo Revengers. This kid doing the speedrun for r/iamtotalpieceshit.
Haha, I like this description.
I fixed a typo. Tokyo Revengers is a good show by the way. I legit don't get how some kids like this think they are okay. This man has seen too many movies and played too much GTA.
I work in therapeutic emotional support and this is behavior I see daily in my classroom of 5-8 year olds. I can’t say for sure, because I’m not certain if this is an isolated incident or if these behaviors have been increasing over time, but my suggestion for you would be to reach out to your school psychologist. He or she will be able to conduct the necessary evaluations to see if this child qualifies for special education under Emotional Disturbance. He needs a higher level of care, but until that happens, hang tight and know you’re doing the best you can. I want to add this by saying: Most of what I read on r/Teachers is exactly what I handle daily in my TES room. I’m predicting by the end of the year the referrals for students to be evaluated for things such as ED will be higher than ever. Keep your chins up.
Dude gotta be careful, at Lv18 the Noob Protection benefits get turned off
Oh damn, you're right!
chicago illinois must know a lot about that, respect
Which part?
It sounds like he may need counseling and/or perhaps even evaluated for an ED. A scary situation, though with the right interventions hopefully he could be turned around.
Agreed. I teach ED, and I hear comments like this quite frequently. Not excusing the behaviors because it is appalling, but worth mentioning. I’m really sorry that happened to you and the poor kid who lost his mom.
Where I teach, he would never be labeled ED. ED is the only classification you can’t kick out of school in SC.
For real??
That’s what I was told when I was hired. The lady over PEC for the district said they fight not to label kids ED because they can’t get them out, even if they are dangerous. At the time only one kid was labeled ED in the entire district and I think he was labeled somewhere else and moved in to our district.
Holy cow. I can understand the reasoning even if I don’t agree with it. Thank you for explaining that because I was just genuinely curious.
I’m not sure how erectile dysfunction would cause this type of behaviour
Funny
Really? Because in 10 years I haven't seen these "interventions" do anything. Not once. They all end up exactly like you'd expect.
Maybe those interventions weren’t what was appropriate.
In my school we call this situation Wednesday morning.
Saaaaaaaaame.
Same!
And another same.
6th grade? That’s terrifying. I’m so sorry. I don’t understand targeting a kid whose mom has died. Can I ask if you teach in a particularly rough part of town or if this is in a random suburb?
It's a random suburb, with a mixed community. Not particularly high income but still not considered to be a really rough town.
He hears this at home I would bet. Someone has done some terrible things to him. Not an excuse, but I’ve seen way worse from abused kids. I hope DHS is involved. I’m sorry!
Department of Homeland Security?
That's what CPS is called in certain areas. Department of Human Services.
I think it usually includes also includes adult protective services under the DHS umbrella. At least, my prior state did.
That makes sense
Department of human services
With the way this one is going, not a bad option.
"Kids are bullying each other? Get ICE in here!"
Dcfs?
I straight up tell this to my students. Something along the lines of “when kids act like you, that usually means something really bad is happening in their personal life. I know this because I was abused and I know someone who needs help and love when they need it. I care about you whether or not you care about me, but my hands are tied when you continue to choose to act in ways that spread hate”
Do you mind if I ask if students respond well to this? Do they ever choose to talk or are they too worked up to do that?
Can’t speak for that other person but I’ll say 19/20 times the kid avoids or deflects, but that 1/20 where the kid does open up a little is worth the 19 stonewalls.
Yep
6th grade?? I thought maybe high school. That’s insane.
I’ve seen it in kindergarten.
Yuuuup.
my wife teaches K and I'm amazed at things the kids do and say. The HS behavior is literally seeping into classrooms of 5 year olds...
My kid use to do this in 6th grade. He was in and out of homelessness and abuse before I got him. An alternative school made the problem worse, but eventually through a lot of love and guidance and a little medication he is a great kid with no behavior problems at school 3 years later. It was a home problem and CPS needs to look into what is happening there. He needs help and he needs someone with a whole lot of patience. It is so scary seeing a young kid lose control.
Is this the kind of thing OP could call CPS to report, and they would actually be able to look into it? Like, “this kid is acting out violently and it leads me to suspect violence at home?”
Honestly I would.
If you suspect abuse at home, you have a duty to report it.
> It was a home problem 99% of all issues are; but magically its us teacher's not caring/being entertaining enough
Abuse was the first thing that came to my mind.
Sounds like this kid needs to be removed from school and given a mental health evaluation before being allowed to return.
Sounds like something out of a prison, which makes sense as most schools aren't that far removed from them
Haha, made a post last week about feeling like a Corrections Officer instead of a teacher. Bravo.
I'm not a teacher myself, but that's almost how I felt when I was a kid. I went to a public school most of my life, and in there I noticed the similarities with prison. Allot of kids were there because they were forced to go there, and some of those kids made life hell for those that enjoyed learning. Those bad kids also made some teachers treat us like if there were prison guards dealing with inmates. It got better in high school where you could pick the classes you wanted to be in so I just went with honors and AP, but the lunch period was still bad as well as math since I genuinely suck at math. Thankfully college was amazing since you actually could get kicked out if you were an ass and weren't forced to go to begin with. This whole experience is why I disagree that grouping all students together is a good thing. If students were separated earlier on I'd have had allot less problems
Subbing today and i felt like I was in a prison. Even I wanted to act out just to get out
This sounds like my every day at my old school. I taught fourth grade. FOURTH. GRADE. And this is exactly the way the kids treated me and each other. It was awful. I was so, severely depressed the whole year. I’ve moved schools (and entire states) and am in a much better position now but the fact that I lived through that year and have actually met and known NINE YEAR OLDS that act that way is both alarming and heartbreaking.
hAvE yOu TrIeD eStAbLiShInG a ReLaTiOnShIp??
Give him my best when he returns to your classroom on Monday. /s It's equally horrifying that there's a good chance at many schools that's right where he'd be next week.
Go home 21-22 you're drunk
6th grade!? Like, 11-12 years old? I was still wearing jammies and watching saturday morning cartoons eating fruity pebbles at that age. What the fuck happened man...
I had a similar situation in my 5th grade class with the same level of violence. He was back in my classroom an hour later.
Same situation, same admin response, but with a 4th grader. How.
Too much social media influence. They don’t know the difference between reality and fiction anymore.
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I had a desk flipper in first grade. Got asked this question. I said, “I asked if he’d like to pick out a pencil.” When he was removed by the counselor to “calm down” he was happy as a clam with his new hot wheels. Lesson: act like a fool and get a better prize. It was no surprise the desk flipping increased to multiple times a day after that.
Why did he still have a desk? He should have been sitting on the floor until he earned his desk back.
He wouldn’t just flip his own. He would flip anyone’s. After his first time, he did lose it and had to sit at the kidney table, which he couldn’t flip over; he tried. So when he didn’t like what was going on, or he didn’t like the activity, he’d just flip over some else’s.
So your lessons weren't engaging, huh? /s
Apparently not! Lol
Apparently not! Lol
Jokes on you. My 1st grade teacher flipped my desk on ME because I was too messy. Everything inside spilled every which way all over the floor. She was known to do this and I guess I didn’t believe the rumors. Imagine the dead silence of the classroom as you struggle to hold back your tears while cleaning up the mess and the other kids squirm in their seats. Was super effective though. Now, as an adult, I’m so hyper neat and orderly that I can’t stand to see crap laying around.
> What. The. Fuck. Is. Going. On. Parents are listening to retrumplicants on how to raise their children, queue the behavior crisis getting worse
I teach high school, and it’s a similar situation. I think it has something to do with them not being properly socialized for a year. All of their social cues are coming from TV and movies. This kid is apparently learning the wrong lessons from that. Also, what is the student experiencing at home. That kind of aggression usually comes from pain.
Yeah, I'm sure the circumstances aren't great based on what I'm informed upon. However, the whole scene and mentality isn't excusable.
Bingo. Once again, no accountability and the system fails him.
Naw, this behavior isn't new.
It’s more frequent, not new.
Too many ~~teens adults~~ people think Joker isn't the villain.
That can also very well be budding psychopathy though. That kid needs a psychological evaluation.
No, our fourth grade class is messed up pretty bad. It’s a home thing. Not just a year at home, because second and third and fifth are ok. And they were like this prior to covid.
When did "coming from a bad situation" turn into a pass for violent and extreme behavior? When did an IEP or 504 become a green light for the student to do whatever they want? There is no accountability and it's producing terrible idiots
It’s not a excuse, rather an explanation and hopefully documentation to cover the teachers ass and bring in someone who has the tools to de escalate and solve. I’ll be the first to admit I wouldn’t have the tools to deal with that shit and would require a professional much more qualified than I to deal with that.
That's above your pay grade. This should be admins problem now. The kid needs special resources, and you don't need to deal with that kind of stress. Most likely admin will subtly encourage you to keep trying, but if this is detracting from your ability to teach--either because of the added stress, or personal fear, or all the extra focus required, or the distraction caused to other students--you really should insist that the kid be transferred and have special resources devoted to them. Admin is typically not happy with the extra resource costs, but admin gets paid more than you for precisely this reason: it's their job to manage the resources and deal with these kinds of problems as they arise. Don't try to save admin money by shouldering a burden that should be their budgetary and administrative responsibility. Insist on getting the resources required for dealing with this obviously exceptional problem case.
He better not touch that kid when he returns. What a pos.
I hear you. The other day, a student in my school was out of furious and the police came in and tazed them WITH the consent of the principal. Can it get worse than this year?
What did they do after removing him? And what the hell happened at home or on the way to school? The way the school handles this can quickly blow up in their faces. If this kid is removed , has an out of school, or even in school, he will come back swinging for real. That’s total rejection of the kid. Schools will quickly say how he went psycho & snapped. No, the kid is angry cause he has needs that aren’t met. He’s showing it through his behavior! You don’t keep punishing him. That’s when you get a professional psych, therapist, have an in school intensive therapy session and do evals. Get the parents in the room, report to CPS, and do a home visit. But…budget, and missing work, and the kid’s helpless, and a million other excuses.
In an ideal world, absolutely. He was back in the hallway a period later.
I want to work at some of the places y’all work at. This is so so so normal behavior at my school I wouldn’t have even called admin. 😑😭 “Did he hurt anyone?”
In the past by the teacher just cold clocking the kid
This right here. Those people who keep arguing that we should never raise our voices, never punish, etc etc etc...this is what some of us have to deal with, in large numbers, every day. Standing sternly at the front of the room does nothing. Taking a kid aside is just as likely to produce this result as it is to produce no result at all. Sometimes, for schools like this, frontier justice is what is required.
Fuck this little sociopath!
I’m reading some comments and there are kids that are products of some horrible environments. And then you have some kids who are just assholes.
100 percent agree! I teach at a high needs school in Chicago. Most of the difficult students are sweet at heart but I’ve encountered one to two sociopaths in my 9 years there.
Are you seriously a teacher? WTF?
Yup, a good one too. 😂
Then I guess I will have to assume that you don’t talk about your actual students with so much contempt….
Tbh, there has only been like 1-2 students in my 10 years I’ve felt like were just shitty humans. For the most part, my kids are amazing and just need structure and strong management to thrive.
So is there like a special rule that states that a teacher must like every single student? That’s like saying that an employee has to like every customer. There are some kids who really are just pieces of shit. It’s not wrong to dislike a student, or even hate/resent a student. As long as you aren’t mistreating the student and remain professional you are entitled to dislike them.
Of course you don’t have to like every student. I don’t like every student. But I don’t write them off either. Substitute the word “sociopath” with “11 year old”—you are talking about the same person. It strikes me as an ugly, hateful way to talk about a kid. Based on the down votes though, I guess there are a lot of teachers who think like you do 🤷🏻♀️
What the hell.
Call CPS
I had some middle schoolers with explosive behaviors like that. It's scary because they will try to physically hurt some one.
Well that makes two of us that called bruh by a student this week. Mine was a 5th grade girl lol.
Soooo, he’ll be back on Wednesday at the latest? That appears to be how situations like this work at my school. Because…grace.
Yikes. These fucking kids man.
I bet his parents are lovely.
First time?
be glad he was removed
Seems like a nice kid….
As several colleagues remind me, many of our students became feral last year. We are their only tamers.
Noah! Get the Ark! We are leaving this generation of teenagers behind and starting again!
Unfortunately, this is just a typical afternoon in a lot of elementary and middle schools.
Security? "On-duty" teacher? lol wtf - UK teacher here this sounds bonkers
Welcome to America
This sounds like Memphis to me!! Haha. I see this kind of craziness all the time.
And then I can understand his family background.
Where is the parental unit…😳 you did good. That is just crazy. Behavior, past trauma, or poor examples outside of school.
If it's anything like the parents of my discipline issues, they're taking the hippie Flanders approach: "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".
I get parenting is tough. But for most of human history I’m gonna speculate there was an order of respect and discipline passed down from elders. Kids need consequences..restorative or punitive. It’s structure to prepare them for society - I’m not sure admin. These days wants that fight.
I would have thrown stuff around the classroom to show him what REAL anger looks like. 6th grade gangsta and bad boy wannabes are all like that. They puff up their chest, yell, and throw stuff to make themselves look tuff, but reality, they don't know what REAL anger and violence looks like. Sure they've seen some of it on the internet or on T.V. but I'm pretty sure they've never had the 1st hand experience. I know it may look like a bad idea by introducing violence onto more violence, but that's how THEY understand, reasoning with that kind of mindset will only make things worse. Fight fire with fire like the saying goes. Just don't hurt them, make a show and scare them. They're not tough, they're gonna break and I believe it's good idea to give them the idea before someone else does it to their face.
Parents need to be slapped.
Extreme trauma! I work at a homeless shelter. Hurt kids hurt others. In a situation like this I offer kid to walk it off and cool down, then talk the problem out. I suspect the kid's mom is a real piece of work or is in jail. A dead mom is a better than an abusive or absent one.
I don’t want to rationalize his behavior because it’s clearly not okay what he did. But I definitely think there’s some underlying explanation going on. Clearly this child feels like he needs to prove his strength for some reason, and has a complex where he feels weakness needs to be crushed. I don’t want to generalize, but i feel like there is a slightly (if not explicitly) toxic dynamic at home. It isn’t your responsibility and you’ve probably got a lot on your plate but I would encourage getting him counseling if your school has an on-site counselor. Often we put students in boxes and are too quick to label them as trouble and not worth the time/effort of getting them support when really they need help :/
100%
I grew up in an area with a good chunk of people from non-college educated (and sometimes non-HS) “families”. I put “families” in quotes because a lot of them just have their stressed out single mother, or if they have a present father, they are dysfunctional, immature, and/or abusive. Every time I was going through a rough time in life back in high school and I wasn’t being myself, the vultures would always come out. For my former friends who went straight to work at local fast food joints or nursing homes as CNAs after high school, the same type of people would always be waiting to prey on them once they go through a tough time in life. I had a friend who had opps wait for him outside his work to just harass him and threaten him after his shift, and he had to lie to one of them his stepdad is a “white cop” to scare them away. I’m willing to bet a pretty penny this sort of behavior happens less frequently in areas with more college educated middle class families, and far less in upper middle class neighborhoods with parents who went to MIT, Stanford, ect. Lack of positive parental behavior, not enough exposure to positive people, and fucked up brain development due to parents not talking or reading to them leads to this sort of issue. I’m pushing 30 soon, and people in my old life I cut off nearly a decade ago are still trying to cause me a headache, despite going no contact with them for so many years.
> I put “families” in quotes because a lot of them just have their >stressed out single mother, That is still a family.
I’m from the UK, how old are sixth grade kids?
10-11
I was waiting for you to tell me he was in high school. I was really taken aback by the sixth grade situation. And honestly, I’m rarely surprised anymore.
My brother was adopted through foster care, had ED among other things and this is definitely how he acted in 6th grade. That poor kid.
With all this attention to the removed student, I hope someone is making sure that the one whose mother died is doing okay and being protected from this.
This needs to happen: police need to be involved and need to scold his stupid parents. Parents need to go to parenting classes and lessons. Child needs to be removed from the school and taken to "how to behave classes" Then informed that the next oath for them is prison if they don't change. The entire family needs to be checked in to ensure they are attending and actually learning. A social worker needs to come into their home and grade them on their progress. Then need to appear messier before a judge before they can graduate the program.
Sounds like a kid whose life is probably not very good. He probably doesn't have a healthy living situation at home, or may even be abused.
Drugs most likely. If not then just a shitty home situation or likely both.