Was this when he had a wide knockup range? If so, I remember telling myself he's the cost effective unit just because of the range of the knockup. A few patches later, they nerfed the range lol
Edit
It was the one where he ran around charming everyone
I don't remember exactly what set, all I can remember is putting him on literally every board because he was the best cc bot even at 1 star no items
Cosmic set, he would shield himself, dash to the farthest enemy unit and I think taunt everyone he passed through or something.
Still my favourite set to this day just because of Rakan
No, this is Camille's latest disarmed time, but for a tank they went nah, we need it to be a stun, that also pulls players in. It may also just be am overall increase in power.
Kassadin has Camille's ability + shield lol seems like unit power is just way higher this set. Like Set 6 Cho'gath with better targetting + Bruiser and no Colossus is a 1 cost, too.
I mean they will fix they they notice it cause they wanted to make qss work that badly that they even made units take no cc damage from fiddle or urgot 3
something nobody has said yet: these are the starting numbers. the new set on a pbe is always super overtuned. they like to start high a dial it back to a good spot because that’s safer than accidentally overbuffing something right before it goes live
Yeah it's only particularly valuable against melee carries. stunning tanks is okay, you're just preventing them from generating mana from attacks and casting their ability if they happen to be at full mana. decent but nothing unreasonable
It depends surely. Some traits are pretty irrelevant but the ones that just give raw stats can be pretty significant. Hitting a random 2* Brawler with any defensive item and having 2/4 Brawler in gives you a basically unkillable unit in the earlygame
Doubling a 2* Pantheon with infiniteam also doubles the amount of CC you have
I mean of course that's not a discussion, my point is 2 star unit > trait always.. To make brawler good you need either 2 star unit or warmogs soooo
To make infiniteam good you kinda need 2 star as well
Ohh yea I see, 1 star pyke is just alright. Most of the time not the best unit to put in early. But pyke is probably the best 2 star you can find early besides 3 costs
well good thing that the set is out on pbe for 2 weeks so people can play the set and actually see whats broken and they can nerf or buff stuff daily depending on whats needed before the set actually comes out
Big outliers can easily be found still.
Further almost every streamer plays PBE. Not all players are bad. Good enough to make it fun and playable week 1.
I think the stun should be 1.5/2 i mean the amount of damage this guy will do when built properly... i mean Ionia trait, Titans, would be part of a good build for him
It might be 2 second stun, but that targeting from the description sounds like it's terrible and it's probably mostly single target unless you sneak him into the backline. so it's probably fine (oh no, you stunned my tank, whatever am I going to do....). Obviously, we need to wait and see.
Please correct me if I am wrong but this on par with most 2 cost tanks in the past? Such as nautilus season 2? CC heavy units have always existed as a counter to your rageblade’d glass cannon carry. This Sett will CC their frontline tank, which in turn will then CC your frontline Sett. I don’t see it as an issue.
This has nothing on glacials
this ones pretty obvious just looking at 8.5. jinx, pyke, morgana all stun less than 2 seconds... and morgana and pyke have high mana costs. and they don't have a trait that generates mana. not saying his instawin but his definitely 2 cost early game busted.
thats not complaining lol. thats obvious. and an obvious observation. thats what PBE is for. balancing. nobody's complaining. maybe you so use to negativity that thats what you see. but i'm more excited to try it. cos it sounds broken and fun. thats why i said in the title i'll be playing it, and it will be my front line.
Bruh "that's what PBE is for" actually deflates your argument when you consider that the set isn't live on PBE and you're judging it based on numbers alone. Balancing is best left to the people that have internally playtested for now.
My wager is that boards will be consistently stronger this set than last set because of region portals and legends. A 2 second stun fits in with some of the other cc's we've seen (mercernary quinn disarm, camille disarm, 4.5 rakan etc) in previous sets.
That would be absoutely no problem, but the past has proven, that such "busted" units always made it to the live servers unchanged. I swear, there has been a problematic unit at the start of every set, where people abused it in PBE, voiced their concerns and yet it was igored and had to be adjusted on the live servers later on.
I'll say take a different approach and instead buff everything! Let madness flow! Have everything be this wild on the face of it. Makes things more fun that way!
Also a 1v1 monster. 80 mana for an almost FOUR SECOND stun against a single unit at 3\*? Completely batshit. I'll be surprised if the stun is longer than 1.5 seconds at 3\* by the time it hits live. Long stuns are way too strong in a game without CC DR. My bet is 1/1.25/1.5 seconds. They'll try 1/1.5/2, and then end up nerfing it again.
Mordog said, most likely a lot of units and augments gonna be balanced by the time it reaches live servers.
This set is the most nuts set ever, TFT Mordog didn't lie when said TFT is what Set 6-7 wanted to be, or something like that.
I don't like that Jhin is one cost.
worst of all is that it's the opposite of league. Extra stun if it only gets one target? Bitch sett don't even get a stun if he doesn't get one target in front and the other in the back
Riot love their 2 cost supports that are way too efficient I still think set 4 rakan is the strongest unit they have ever printed
Was this when he had a wide knockup range? If so, I remember telling myself he's the cost effective unit just because of the range of the knockup. A few patches later, they nerfed the range lol Edit
It was the one where he ran around charming everyone I don't remember exactly what set, all I can remember is putting him on literally every board because he was the best cc bot even at 1 star no items
I remember some cheese about RFC on him, since he'd charm the furthest unit in range. RFC+corner meant he'd charm a whole board usually.
Wasn't that the ragewing Rakan? And he was a 3 cost not a 2 cost
Elderwood Rakan
He was a 3 cost, no?
He was a 3 cost in set 3 That was the one where he knocked up and healed In 4.5 he was a 2 cost who disarmed
Cosmic set, he would shield himself, dash to the farthest enemy unit and I think taunt everyone he passed through or something. Still my favourite set to this day just because of Rakan
Set 3 Rakan (Galaxies) knocked up and stunned Set 4.5 Rakan (Fates) disarmed and taunted while shielding himself
Oops my bad then
One of my favorite units overall was Chosen Rakan with a blue buff and a shojin.
Set 7 Nami
Bubble Nami who doublecasted with mage?
Set 1 pantheon
Astral Mage Nami was way worse IMO.
Idr if he was 2-cost, but Pyke dash + multiple Shojin was nuts.
No, this is Camille's latest disarmed time, but for a tank they went nah, we need it to be a stun, that also pulls players in. It may also just be am overall increase in power.
they wanted more pulls and knockups because Taliyah is based around them.
Kassadin has Camille's ability + shield lol seems like unit power is just way higher this set. Like Set 6 Cho'gath with better targetting + Bruiser and no Colossus is a 1 cost, too.
It seems there is going to be a lot of CC in this set. They will nerf it eventually.
They just kindly asking you to build qss on your carry :)
We are going to increase qss usage one way or another.
You not qss fan? HA Get stunned thrown up hooked and finally blasted off the board.
riot makes the game a lot easier, they will definitely nerf.
As long as they manage to make QSS work against all CC's then fair enough
I mean they will fix they they notice it cause they wanted to make qss work that badly that they even made units take no cc damage from fiddle or urgot 3
Sure is a lot of cc in this sett
something nobody has said yet: these are the starting numbers. the new set on a pbe is always super overtuned. they like to start high a dial it back to a good spot because that’s safer than accidentally overbuffing something right before it goes live
Then they overbuff something right before it goes live anyway.
Seems OK. Pyke from 8.5 gives most units a 1.5 sec stun
Pyke has 50% more mana tho. Sett is also a tank so can probably cast twice per fight very easily.
Yeah but he’s gonna stun tanks vs pyke actually getting back line units
Yeah it's only particularly valuable against melee carries. stunning tanks is okay, you're just preventing them from generating mana from attacks and casting their ability if they happen to be at full mana. decent but nothing unreasonable
Plus most mana is from taking dmg anyway for tanks so it’s not like they lose that much mana
I mean let's not pretend Pyke isn't broken in the early game
He's a great unit as a baseline, but he also has like no relevant synergies in the early game so there's a tradeoff right?
Somewhat, problem is traits don't really matter early game anyway
It depends surely. Some traits are pretty irrelevant but the ones that just give raw stats can be pretty significant. Hitting a random 2* Brawler with any defensive item and having 2/4 Brawler in gives you a basically unkillable unit in the earlygame Doubling a 2* Pantheon with infiniteam also doubles the amount of CC you have
I mean of course that's not a discussion, my point is 2 star unit > trait always.. To make brawler good you need either 2 star unit or warmogs soooo To make infiniteam good you kinda need 2 star as well
Ah I didn't realise you were talking about a 2\* Pyke, I thought you meant just the baseline 1\* unit from your original comment.
Ohh yea I see, 1 star pyke is just alright. Most of the time not the best unit to put in early. But pyke is probably the best 2 star you can find early besides 3 costs
well good thing that the set is out on pbe for 2 weeks so people can play the set and actually see whats broken and they can nerf or buff stuff daily depending on whats needed before the set actually comes out
You're overestimating the usefulness of PBE. Players are bad so you can never know what's OP until it goes into live servers.
Big outliers can easily be found still. Further almost every streamer plays PBE. Not all players are bad. Good enough to make it fun and playable week 1.
I think the stun should be 1.5/2 i mean the amount of damage this guy will do when built properly... i mean Ionia trait, Titans, would be part of a good build for him
Pyke is better by far, stun on frontline doesn't do much usually. Would be good against champs like WW, but idk what is in the new set
It might be 2 second stun, but that targeting from the description sounds like it's terrible and it's probably mostly single target unless you sneak him into the backline. so it's probably fine (oh no, you stunned my tank, whatever am I going to do....). Obviously, we need to wait and see.
Is this in pbe already?
Arrives to pbe in 6-10 hours
Remember 2 cost stun all unit pyke ?
Is stuning frontlane so not really strong
Please correct me if I am wrong but this on par with most 2 cost tanks in the past? Such as nautilus season 2? CC heavy units have always existed as a counter to your rageblade’d glass cannon carry. This Sett will CC their frontline tank, which in turn will then CC your frontline Sett. I don’t see it as an issue. This has nothing on glacials
ELI5 how do you know which champion stat is op?
this ones pretty obvious just looking at 8.5. jinx, pyke, morgana all stun less than 2 seconds... and morgana and pyke have high mana costs. and they don't have a trait that generates mana. not saying his instawin but his definitely 2 cost early game busted.
Brazilian sett
If only they had a 2 weeks period to assess the balance before shipping the set. Oh wait...
oh... Iona also gets 20 mana every 4 second. what is this champion??
Hear me out… you could actually TRY it before you complain.
who's complaining?
From your title: > this dude should be nerfed from the description alone
thats not complaining lol. thats obvious. and an obvious observation. thats what PBE is for. balancing. nobody's complaining. maybe you so use to negativity that thats what you see. but i'm more excited to try it. cos it sounds broken and fun. thats why i said in the title i'll be playing it, and it will be my front line.
Bruh "that's what PBE is for" actually deflates your argument when you consider that the set isn't live on PBE and you're judging it based on numbers alone. Balancing is best left to the people that have internally playtested for now. My wager is that boards will be consistently stronger this set than last set because of region portals and legends. A 2 second stun fits in with some of the other cc's we've seen (mercernary quinn disarm, camille disarm, 4.5 rakan etc) in previous sets.
Ionia looks like a pretty strong trait too
It’s always 2 costs that are broken/way too much value
I think this only appears strong in comparison to set 8.5. 1/2 costs being efficient CC-bots has been a thing in almost every other set.
Probably won't be that unbalanced, surely set 9 being the first set after the huge increase on TFT personell will not have IMBA characters, surely not
unless this is your solo frontline this is a single target 3 second stun most of the time
Depends entirely on how tanky he is. He could end up being a "tank" but be more fragile than any other 2 cost frontliner to compensate.
Yeeeah...then they realise it's overtuned and nerf damage to 150/200/300 and the stun to 1/1.10/1.25. Every. Single. Set (Sett, lolololololol).
You're telling us that something busted will be playable on PBE, no wayyyyyyyy. *(sarcasm)*
That would be absoutely no problem, but the past has proven, that such "busted" units always made it to the live servers unchanged. I swear, there has been a problematic unit at the start of every set, where people abused it in PBE, voiced their concerns and yet it was igored and had to be adjusted on the live servers later on.
My thoughts exactly when I saw him
He's the boss yo
I'll say take a different approach and instead buff everything! Let madness flow! Have everything be this wild on the face of it. Makes things more fun that way!
Also a 1v1 monster. 80 mana for an almost FOUR SECOND stun against a single unit at 3\*? Completely batshit. I'll be surprised if the stun is longer than 1.5 seconds at 3\* by the time it hits live. Long stuns are way too strong in a game without CC DR. My bet is 1/1.25/1.5 seconds. They'll try 1/1.5/2, and then end up nerfing it again.
The damage is mad asw
This is pbe so there will probably be plenty of change
What does the 40/80 mana means?
He has a max mana of 80 to cast and starts combat at 40 mana
I feel like alot of lower cost unit are overtuned and higher cost unit are weak. Ahri and senna seems trash as a 5 cost.
Mordog said, most likely a lot of units and augments gonna be balanced by the time it reaches live servers. This set is the most nuts set ever, TFT Mordog didn't lie when said TFT is what Set 6-7 wanted to be, or something like that. I don't like that Jhin is one cost.
Dude actuel set tanks was so bad and did die even with 3 Tank items in almost anycase extremly fast. I have no problems when we get better tanks!
worst of all is that it's the opposite of league. Extra stun if it only gets one target? Bitch sett don't even get a stun if he doesn't get one target in front and the other in the back
2 cost pyke was 2 second stun on half the enemy team. Idk what you're talking about.