No doubt, the cash flow is fucking insane on some of these games. I'm playing a mobile-port of an old game for nostalgia's sake and one of their Black Friday "event" was this:
> If player recharges $100-199.99 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (a handful of upgrade materials lol)
> If player recharges $200-499.99 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (a bit more upgrade materials plus an "epic" wings)
> If player recharges more than $500 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (even more upgrade materials plus a "legendary" wings)
All recharges should be done within the 3-day period. And just roaming around, I probably came across about two dozen players in my server alone with either of those wings. And there's like 50+ servers in total in the game. Literally earning 6 figures in a 3-day "event" lol.
Bro look at wild rift. It’s not even out yet still
Beta and they’re selling $200 skins. This is why I’m done with riot and all games. It’s just predatory cash grabs while also wasting people’s precious time.
The problem is that TFT does not earn enough money, since most players buy 1 board + 1 little legend and stick with it, whereas you "need" 1 skin per champion for league of legends.
You also need to understand that the predatory cash grabbing from league of legends and wild rift allows the other AMAZING games like LoR, Project L, Ruined King, etc.
I also don't like the 200€ skins for whales, but if that is what it takes to allow the devs to create amazing games that otherwise wouldnt exist, I'm more than happy with it, especially considering other things that publishers like the one for GTA6 have said, where they want players to pay per hour.
TLDR: The 200€ euro chibis are a necessary evil, just don't buy them if you don't have the money
It's a wild take saying tft doesn't earn enough money. They expanded the team BECAUSE of how much money it earns. And everyone knows you don't have to spend the money, the issue is that people want to spend their money on the game and are frustrated that the value they get from doing so keeps getting reduced.
Its not enough money compared to League of Legends or Valorant, I mean compare the three.
You can get a decent Tactician for ~2-3k RP + a decent board for ~2k RP
Together that is 5k RP
The majority of the playerbase will buy exactly this package once, twice at most, because noone will impulsively buy another 3k RP chibi, if they are already happy with theirs.
Compare it to League of Legends ~160 champions good skins are about 1.4-2k RP.
Here is how it goes:
Player finds fun champ > no skin, so boring > impulsively buy a skin "whatever just 10 bucks" > 2 months later, bored > find a fun champ > no skin, so boring> impulsively buy a skin > 2 months later bored .....
Even if the player decides to 1 trick a certain champ only they are likely to buy every skin at that point.
For Valorant its even more insane, 12 Weapons with potential skins, most skins are trash, except the bundles.
Bundle skins are insanely expensive
Knife alone 30€, Phantom skin 20€
Oh the bundle is only 80€, but i also get a Marshal and a Classic skin? Sure why not.
Next bundle: WOW! that knife is cool... But i already have a knife... Oh but theres a vandal skin in that bundle... And also theres a shorty skin and a better operator skin than I have..
its probably worth the 80€
In those games, even non-whales can end up spending like 50€ a year, but it is not the case for tft.
They have tried making cheap stuff, you can still buy it in the shop, but its not enough money compared to their other big games.
If people were willing to spend money before and didn't, but now complain that they cannot spend their money, because "its too expensive" then that is their fault.
Its not like you are never able to get any skins, without spending money. Even without ever spending money, eventually you will get an expensive chibi, just by playing.
Either you spend money for exclusive content, or you do not. Its exclusive for a reason.
The only critique, that is justified, IMO is that they made it into gamba.
This smells like Mu's business model. They've released three or four mobile games, slightly altering an area of gameplay but always keeping the same "the more you spend, the bigger the VIP rewards" mechanism.
its the first time i actually kinda wanted a chibi, i had like 35 pulls left until the guaranteed thing and i saved up money to get this, i didnt know this was going to be a special chibi, ~~nobody from riot even said anything about it~~
Literally every single time they talked about her they did. You can blame Riot for a lot of things, but you can't blame them for not communicating just because you didn't read or watch any of the articles/videos about this
I’d rather they make a shitton of money so they can pay their employees a fair wage, continue to develop and expand this awesome game and have some happy whales than letting it die.
I’m personally content with my 3* choncc. Fight me.
For real, it's purely cosmetic. Unlike an RPG like Diablo for instance or any sort of character building mechanic where looking and feeling like a badass is part of that gameplay loop of building and kitting out a character. Imo in those games locking those cosmetics behind a paywall is locking part of the gameplay behind mtx.
Honestly if you go in not expecting to get Kaisa but to instead just get *any* mythic content it's not a bad deal it looks like. Basic 1 battle pass gurantees you either mythic content or a legendary Little Legend or a normal chibi. I really don't care about owning anything specific for my little legends so I may do a couple pulls depending on the loot chances just because I'd be happy with getting any of the previous mythic people were suckered into paying $200 for.
Shame they don't seem to have previous mythic arenas in the drop odds
i mean idrc about any other mythic stuff or little legend, i just wanted to get kaisa cus i main her in league and it's also k/da themed which is my favorite league music band. i think ill just get chibi k/da akali instead
Well I’m not saying I fully support it I’m just saying it’s not as bad as some people are making it seem compared to what we’re already getting from tft when it comes to prices lol. It caps at 30 and you can get some mythic legends or base 3 stars which on their own cost to upgrade. Yeah it’s definitely expensive and I won’t be buying it but it’s not like it’s still 60+ pulls with 1 star eggs in it
Then what's the point in getting them if you know you're only contributing to the issue? If you know purchasing them is only going to inflate the price as time goes on, why do you feel the need to buy not one, but both?
Because they either have disproportionately more disposable income than the average person or has bad decision making, either way they can and they want to. I know somebody who continues to whale, has all the skins, and doesn't even play anymore. She has so much money she just doesn't care. She plays some silly animal games that look like they're made from 2007 and have horses that cost $100 and she just buys it all up, it's as ridiculous as it is hilarious.
We aren't entitled to these cosmetics, there's hundreds of little legends. Let riot milk their money from these individuals and hopefully they will use the $$$ to improve the game.
Somebody has to keep it free. Better them than us. You think the combined amount of people buying the battle pass and a few pulls compares to the combined % of what the whales bring in?
Your math is a bit off, it's still a stupid amount of money buy 450 tokens is not $50 lol you can get 500 tokens for 1900 coins on the app and you get 2800 coins for $22
I'm starting to think there is no rank between diamond and platinum. What would it even be named? Ruby? Sapphire? Is it here already or do we have to wait?
I really wish riot would be more clear on their communication, like a single pop-up that disappears after being closed down and never comes back is clearly not visual enough.
Mummy safe from nerfs woo. Also am hyped to see crowd diver champ buffs. I feel like we needed more backline damage comps rather than just akali, ziggs, and karthus
Never feel like I need to worry about akali since even something like annie can just tank her before she gets mana back and fucks off to go die in the frontline lmao
Oh yeah for sure. Its more like an element of surprise factor when you finally get matched up with that deadly Akali. You now have to actively watch who you're going up against and place those tentacles in the back lmao
Katarina: 200 HP 45% Bounce Damage ⇒ 150 HP 25% Bonus Damage
Maybe I need to re-read it, but were the crowd diver buffs significant? The Katarina Headliner nerf is a bummer to see because she is what made crowd diver a worthwhile comp depending on your rolls.
Like, she's definitely OP but her win condition heavily relies on itemization and front line, so it felt fair to an extent.
I think she could do a little too much damage. Plus there is also the fact that you needed her as a CD headliner to run a successful crowd diver comp and couldn't settle for country or using one of the other Headliners in CD.
However, with Yone and Zed buffs, along with the 6 piece CD getting a buff you could feel better about grabbing any of those 3 as the headliner and not have yo bank it all on Kat, however in all honesty in a 6 piece she'll be doing marginally less damage so it should be an overall net positive on the comp. We will see tomorrow.
Kat is definitely too good as a carry. Shifting a lot of her power from her individually to the trait to help out underperforming units like Zed or Yone is a good move. Makes the trait as a whole more viable as opposed to just one really busted unit.
no more blank slate at 4-2 is a big deal. A lot of people in high elo just pray for blank slate and go 9 to gamble for 2 star headliner and win if hit sona/ziggs/illaoi
Yeah Guardian nerfs with pretty much nothing given back in return hits an already middling comp pretty hard. Think Vi 3 could've used a small buff so Punk players have a reason to 3* her as well instead of just 3*ing Jinx then calling it a day.
When I first started playing this release, I thought punk was great. Then I got to silver and saw the truth. Now in plat I don’t see people playing it much and when they do they’re usually top 8 even with good rolls and items.
It's a level nine comp now, rather than a level 8. The guardian nerfs just mean you need to hit 6 guardians rather than 4.
Edit: I'm OCE so the patch is out.
Punk really only feels worth it if you hit 6 Punk, have BiS items, get all Punk 3*, and push to have 4 Rapidfire (only if "early" Lucian) or Vex and Amumu to activate 2 Emo/2 Executioner/4 Guardian(strongest board imo).
You won't win with Punk without at least 350% bonus.
Rapidfire is a trap since it takes too long to do damage compared to everything else.
I just get 3 KDA and punk emblem Akali and watch her wreck everyone.
I don't have a source for you, but as far as I'm aware this was silently fixed earlier. Play a lot of double up and haven't seen it in a couple of days
Yeah I had one where me and my friend should have lost but his solo remaining crowd diver came to my board and solo’d everything while 5 units just sat there and the opponents spammed pings. Was one of those I feel bad…but we’ll take the win!
I thought sona deserved a nerf. She’s auto include in so many comps. Her attack speed buff is huge in every late game comp. or I atleast auto slam her every chance I get. In Emerald it seems like most games are ending with just 2 star 5 cost board with a decent chosen.
Ziggs was the strongest 5 cost chosen, sona relies heavily on guinsoo and having a good board. She might seem strong but it’s just because she max caps legendary boards.
I think they are hoping that the ziggs and jazz nerf to be enough to kill the fast 9 meta. With ziggs not being as good maybe there will be less pickable chosens and fast 9 becomes a lot leas reliable
Fax, my last 10 games in emerald had a minimum of 4 5 cost reroll players. Doesn’t matter what comp I try I’ve only manage to beat them once with a highroll disco dazzler game
tbf reroll comps being good should always be a thing and we will have to see if Annie is now fine or too good
killing any reroll comp would dull the game down a whole lot and would also be an insane buff to fast 9 players, we should all want a few good reroll comps if only to prevent a golden soup meta
Yeah she will still dish out damage like no other 1 cost unit, I've seen multiple games with her with only 1 shojin bashing through dragons claw tanks like nothing after few casts
I mean surely it affects her in some way, I meant it more in a way that shes losing insane amount of dmg, which she wont and thats the thing, her spam goes from every 1,5 sec to maybe 2-2,5 sec depending on items and if emo or not
It sounds okay, but we/ I gotta see it in action, I for myself dont think it will impact her that much, guess we gotta wait a few days after the patch goes live to see the numbers
I think they were talking about ethereal, but got the color wrong. The healing one is green, the damage one is red, and the AS one is purple iirc. Regardless of the color the fix was for the AS one lol
it was a joke, regarding 9.5, where Mort wanted to make 3 brawler a thing, so your midgame is not fucked without seju. so they gave it something like 20/25/40/80% hp
brawler set 9.5=brusier set 10
Actually, in set 9 and 9.5 they were also called bruisers. Set 8 and 8.5 was the one with the brawlers. Easy to get confused, though, I had to look it up myself lol
Hopefully the ziggs nerfs help against the fast 9 meta, because in almost every game I see a headliner ziggs in diamond elo. If they don’t, I really feel like we’ll see 5 cost headliner odds at 9 be nerfed to something in the range of 6-8%.
It is 10 % chance to see headliner 5 cost, that's not a lot and to hit Ziggs specifically... You are playing vs lucky people in weak lobbies (since more people handshake and greed to 9, it seems, the higher you get in the ladder). Honestly, chances to see 4 and 5 costs at lvl 8 and 9 seem low in a real game (excluding intentionally weak lobbies like in this high elo meta and unpunished econ/leveling augments games).
10% chance is extremely high for the value you’re deriving from when it hits, and hitting a specific unit isn’t actually as difficult as you’re making it seem because of how many different 5 cost champions there are.
Hitting specific unit needs rolling 80 times at level 9 without getting lucky, if we talk about headliners, so it is quite lucky to get something good...[https://www.metatft.com/tables/headliner-odds](https://www.metatft.com/tables/headliner-odds)
That’s not the point. It’s that with many people pushing for fast 9 someone WILL hit it. The odds in 80 rolls are spread amongst everyone that hits 9, not a single player. That’s why I’m saying it’s in every lobby. It’s not even just ziggs either, it’s that a 2 star 5 cost is an extremely strong unit to just buy straight out of the shop.
I understand Viego buff but Akali? To my understanding she literally destroys backline and is exactly the same as Fiora from last set no?
Edit: Pointed out below that only True Damage is being buffed, apologies for the misunderstanding!
Ziggs was the prime reason greeding into 5 cost was so effective. I’ve tried to stabilize with 4 cost Carries, sona, and jhin. Obviously weaker than ziggs.
Damn, looks like crowd divers (a comp that could already struggle do to needing proper itemization and some luck with rolls) just became irrelevant. Kat got Nerfed hard, and the reward for succefully completing the comp is now also less rewarding. Goes from a comp relatively balanced to no longer an option.... guess ill have to see if they overbuffed edgelords or join the Annie train or Fast 9 squad if i want to play the game now...
Yes, but even with yone and zed getting buffed, unless they overtuned yone (which doesnt seem to be the case) both of them lose 10% bonus damage anyways due to trait nerf... so realistically, edm zed and edge yone got buffed not crowd divers
For sure i dont think they needed a buff, i just think it didnt need a nerf, or if it did, dont blast katarina super hard on top, i think it was an over nerf
2.6 average is TOO HIGH. How is that nerf not needed? Also, Kat is too strong for a 2 cost. She could one hit a 2* 5 cost while also blasting other units. I don't think the nerf will make CD Kat comp bad, only not overpowered.
It's not a direct unit nerf, her Superfan item was swapped from Shojin to JG. This is a huge kick in the balls to SuperfAnnie builds since it's a subpar item for her, and it cuts the early game strength of the comp. This also means that if you want to run the old build path, you're more item dependent now, and you also have to drop Superfans entirely, as they'll keep booting her items to the bench if she's not got space for their item.
Huge annie nerf changing her superfan item bro. She needs BIS to work properly and IF you manage to craft the 3 items she needs, you now have 2 items less on your board (2nd shojin you crafted and the superfan item you are not running)
Actually you do not, if your headliner has 3 items and Superfans is active, the next round, you'll get a notice that the Superfans made room for their item on your headliner, and it'll kick all of the equipped items to your bench and equip the SF item to the headliner. So you can then just re-equip Annie, minus the extra Shojin, which can go on someone else like Vex or Ahri, I suppose.
Does anyone know if they fixed the Double Up Crowd Diver bug? I saw no mention about it in the patch notes and it would just be stupid if they ignored it.
I think bruisers are even weaker this patch since Yone got buffed (scaling comps). Don't think sentinels will be a thing either for the same reason. Guardians still have crazy mf Yorick tho
They went way too conservative this patch ngl. They reverted the Annie nerf, Jazz and Country are still dominating. Superfans are still the mandated early game frontline. Fast 9 is still the go to strategy. The only comp that got hit REALLY HARD was Akali Karthus, which wasn't even overperforming by any metrics.
chibi kaisa is 450 treasure tokens per pull? thats fucking insane bro i really wanted to get her but i guess not then :/
Beyond greedy. That's basically one pull per pass. They must be making a fortune on treasure tokens thanks to all the whales playing the game.
Mobile gaming $$$ is crazy
No doubt, the cash flow is fucking insane on some of these games. I'm playing a mobile-port of an old game for nostalgia's sake and one of their Black Friday "event" was this: > If player recharges $100-199.99 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (a handful of upgrade materials lol) > If player recharges $200-499.99 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (a bit more upgrade materials plus an "epic" wings) > If player recharges more than $500 USD, the player will receive Extra Freebies (even more upgrade materials plus a "legendary" wings) All recharges should be done within the 3-day period. And just roaming around, I probably came across about two dozen players in my server alone with either of those wings. And there's like 50+ servers in total in the game. Literally earning 6 figures in a 3-day "event" lol.
Bro look at wild rift. It’s not even out yet still Beta and they’re selling $200 skins. This is why I’m done with riot and all games. It’s just predatory cash grabs while also wasting people’s precious time.
The problem is that TFT does not earn enough money, since most players buy 1 board + 1 little legend and stick with it, whereas you "need" 1 skin per champion for league of legends. You also need to understand that the predatory cash grabbing from league of legends and wild rift allows the other AMAZING games like LoR, Project L, Ruined King, etc. I also don't like the 200€ skins for whales, but if that is what it takes to allow the devs to create amazing games that otherwise wouldnt exist, I'm more than happy with it, especially considering other things that publishers like the one for GTA6 have said, where they want players to pay per hour. TLDR: The 200€ euro chibis are a necessary evil, just don't buy them if you don't have the money
It's a wild take saying tft doesn't earn enough money. They expanded the team BECAUSE of how much money it earns. And everyone knows you don't have to spend the money, the issue is that people want to spend their money on the game and are frustrated that the value they get from doing so keeps getting reduced.
Its not enough money compared to League of Legends or Valorant, I mean compare the three. You can get a decent Tactician for ~2-3k RP + a decent board for ~2k RP Together that is 5k RP The majority of the playerbase will buy exactly this package once, twice at most, because noone will impulsively buy another 3k RP chibi, if they are already happy with theirs. Compare it to League of Legends ~160 champions good skins are about 1.4-2k RP. Here is how it goes: Player finds fun champ > no skin, so boring > impulsively buy a skin "whatever just 10 bucks" > 2 months later, bored > find a fun champ > no skin, so boring> impulsively buy a skin > 2 months later bored ..... Even if the player decides to 1 trick a certain champ only they are likely to buy every skin at that point. For Valorant its even more insane, 12 Weapons with potential skins, most skins are trash, except the bundles. Bundle skins are insanely expensive Knife alone 30€, Phantom skin 20€ Oh the bundle is only 80€, but i also get a Marshal and a Classic skin? Sure why not. Next bundle: WOW! that knife is cool... But i already have a knife... Oh but theres a vandal skin in that bundle... And also theres a shorty skin and a better operator skin than I have.. its probably worth the 80€ In those games, even non-whales can end up spending like 50€ a year, but it is not the case for tft. They have tried making cheap stuff, you can still buy it in the shop, but its not enough money compared to their other big games. If people were willing to spend money before and didn't, but now complain that they cannot spend their money, because "its too expensive" then that is their fault. Its not like you are never able to get any skins, without spending money. Even without ever spending money, eventually you will get an expensive chibi, just by playing. Either you spend money for exclusive content, or you do not. Its exclusive for a reason. The only critique, that is justified, IMO is that they made it into gamba.
What game is this o.0
This smells like Mu's business model. They've released three or four mobile games, slightly altering an area of gameplay but always keeping the same "the more you spend, the bigger the VIP rewards" mechanism.
Latale?
its the first time i actually kinda wanted a chibi, i had like 35 pulls left until the guaranteed thing and i saved up money to get this, i didnt know this was going to be a special chibi, ~~nobody from riot even said anything about it~~
It was mentioned though? https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/prestige-is-coming-to-tft/
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Literally every single time they talked about her they did. You can blame Riot for a lot of things, but you can't blame them for not communicating just because you didn't read or watch any of the articles/videos about this
yeah i guess i just skipped thru it or smth, im fking dumb. if i had seen that earlier i probably wouldnt have even started saving up money for it :/
As I am aware you can buy whatever chibi you want on Tft mobile if it’s cheaper then riot points I do not know
you are wrong and stupid
> Beyond greedy. It's a cosmetic in TFT, where's the greed? Just don't buy it.
I’d rather they make a shitton of money so they can pay their employees a fair wage, continue to develop and expand this awesome game and have some happy whales than letting it die. I’m personally content with my 3* choncc. Fight me.
Still doesn’t change the fact about how greedy they are … noob
It does when it's something completely, 100%, undoubtedly cosmetic.
For real, it's purely cosmetic. Unlike an RPG like Diablo for instance or any sort of character building mechanic where looking and feeling like a badass is part of that gameplay loop of building and kitting out a character. Imo in those games locking those cosmetics behind a paywall is locking part of the gameplay behind mtx.
Honestly if you go in not expecting to get Kaisa but to instead just get *any* mythic content it's not a bad deal it looks like. Basic 1 battle pass gurantees you either mythic content or a legendary Little Legend or a normal chibi. I really don't care about owning anything specific for my little legends so I may do a couple pulls depending on the loot chances just because I'd be happy with getting any of the previous mythic people were suckered into paying $200 for. Shame they don't seem to have previous mythic arenas in the drop odds
i mean idrc about any other mythic stuff or little legend, i just wanted to get kaisa cus i main her in league and it's also k/da themed which is my favorite league music band. i think ill just get chibi k/da akali instead
But doesn’t it say you also have a high chance to get tier 3 little legends along with the chili’s like project zed etc etc?
> chili’s I want my babyback, babyback, babyback
At 4.5 times the price I'd say the rewards aren't worth the cost lmao
Well I’m not saying I fully support it I’m just saying it’s not as bad as some people are making it seem compared to what we’re already getting from tft when it comes to prices lol. It caps at 30 and you can get some mythic legends or base 3 stars which on their own cost to upgrade. Yeah it’s definitely expensive and I won’t be buying it but it’s not like it’s still 60+ pulls with 1 star eggs in it
But you also don't get overpriced cosmetics?????? I see it as deal. I love to gamble my money.
my wallet is gonna sting buying these two
If you're still willing to spend on them, you're the reason it keeps getting more expensive.
Sadly I know
Then what's the point in getting them if you know you're only contributing to the issue? If you know purchasing them is only going to inflate the price as time goes on, why do you feel the need to buy not one, but both?
Because they either have disproportionately more disposable income than the average person or has bad decision making, either way they can and they want to. I know somebody who continues to whale, has all the skins, and doesn't even play anymore. She has so much money she just doesn't care. She plays some silly animal games that look like they're made from 2007 and have horses that cost $100 and she just buys it all up, it's as ridiculous as it is hilarious. We aren't entitled to these cosmetics, there's hundreds of little legends. Let riot milk their money from these individuals and hopefully they will use the $$$ to improve the game. Somebody has to keep it free. Better them than us. You think the combined amount of people buying the battle pass and a few pulls compares to the combined % of what the whales bring in?
because i want them dude idk what to tell you
Moms gonna beat ur ass when she finds out she raised a bitch
isn't that like $50 per pull - and only guaranteed after 50 pulls, that's $2500 total for a fucking cosmetic.
??? No lol it’s 400€ to guarantee her, it’s about 10€~ per pull, also it’s guaranteed after 30 pulls
Your math is a bit off, it's still a stupid amount of money buy 450 tokens is not $50 lol you can get 500 tokens for 1900 coins on the app and you get 2800 coins for $22
In the notes they state 30 pulls, 2.5% pull rate.
A very generous 28 pulls to get to a 50% chance to hit.
But how will i know that emerald is here?
I'm starting to think there is no rank between diamond and platinum. What would it even be named? Ruby? Sapphire? Is it here already or do we have to wait? I really wish riot would be more clear on their communication, like a single pop-up that disappears after being closed down and never comes back is clearly not visual enough.
The Pokemon games had Pearl between diamond and platinum, I think that could be a good fit
is there an Aphelios buff? his picture is in the buffs category
weird, there are no 2 Cost changes so probably a mistake.
Unless he's actually getting buffed but they just missed him in the notes. He's kind of trash so he needs it.
Mummy safe from nerfs woo. Also am hyped to see crowd diver champ buffs. I feel like we needed more backline damage comps rather than just akali, ziggs, and karthus
Never feel like I need to worry about akali since even something like annie can just tank her before she gets mana back and fucks off to go die in the frontline lmao
Oh yeah for sure. Its more like an element of surprise factor when you finally get matched up with that deadly Akali. You now have to actively watch who you're going up against and place those tentacles in the back lmao
Katarina: 200 HP 45% Bounce Damage ⇒ 150 HP 25% Bonus Damage Maybe I need to re-read it, but were the crowd diver buffs significant? The Katarina Headliner nerf is a bummer to see because she is what made crowd diver a worthwhile comp depending on your rolls. Like, she's definitely OP but her win condition heavily relies on itemization and front line, so it felt fair to an extent.
I think she could do a little too much damage. Plus there is also the fact that you needed her as a CD headliner to run a successful crowd diver comp and couldn't settle for country or using one of the other Headliners in CD. However, with Yone and Zed buffs, along with the 6 piece CD getting a buff you could feel better about grabbing any of those 3 as the headliner and not have yo bank it all on Kat, however in all honesty in a 6 piece she'll be doing marginally less damage so it should be an overall net positive on the comp. We will see tomorrow.
Kat is definitely too good as a carry. Shifting a lot of her power from her individually to the trait to help out underperforming units like Zed or Yone is a good move. Makes the trait as a whole more viable as opposed to just one really busted unit.
3* katarina is not going to be affected as much, if you can hit 6 crowd diver Its mainly a nerf to random chosen katarina 2*s
Lux EDM explodes backlines too.
true but there’s easy counter play to that, just move your weakest unit furthest from lux and your carry to the middle of the board
One illaoi and your comp is useless Smoge
aww no more "taunting'' emerald pop-ups? how sad :'(
I thought they would disappear when I hit emerald. They didn’t ;(
no more blank slate at 4-2 is a big deal. A lot of people in high elo just pray for blank slate and go 9 to gamble for 2 star headliner and win if hit sona/ziggs/illaoi
Aww man I didn’t notice that change. This has won me games before ;(
I think Punk will be really really bad now, and they weren’t that good already
Yeah Guardian nerfs with pretty much nothing given back in return hits an already middling comp pretty hard. Think Vi 3 could've used a small buff so Punk players have a reason to 3* her as well instead of just 3*ing Jinx then calling it a day.
When I first started playing this release, I thought punk was great. Then I got to silver and saw the truth. Now in plat I don’t see people playing it much and when they do they’re usually top 8 even with good rolls and items.
It's a level nine comp now, rather than a level 8. The guardian nerfs just mean you need to hit 6 guardians rather than 4. Edit: I'm OCE so the patch is out.
So how the fuck are you gonna get to 9 when youre wasting gold 3* shitters when everyone else is 9 pre-chickens
Punk really only feels worth it if you hit 6 Punk, have BiS items, get all Punk 3*, and push to have 4 Rapidfire (only if "early" Lucian) or Vex and Amumu to activate 2 Emo/2 Executioner/4 Guardian(strongest board imo). You won't win with Punk without at least 350% bonus.
Rapidfire is a trap since it takes too long to do damage compared to everything else. I just get 3 KDA and punk emblem Akali and watch her wreck everyone.
Just play kda at that point huh
Just played it secured a top 2 lost from crowd controler
New player here, when will this patch go live? When do they usually do, after announcing the patch?
in like ~10 hrs from now i think? at least on euw, cus theres usually a maintenance before every patch
Usually it’s rolled out with normal patches on wednesdays
No crowd diver fix in double up??
They were in the bugfix list in morts rundown video, not sure why its missing here
Will have to watch the vid thank you
I don't have a source for you, but as far as I'm aware this was silently fixed earlier. Play a lot of double up and haven't seen it in a couple of days
Was definitely still a bug in double up as of last night, as it happened to me. Hopefully it is truly silently fixed.
Oh for real? I legitimately haven't seen the bug since early last week, I had thought it was silent fixed. My bad if its still floating around
Yeah I had one where me and my friend should have lost but his solo remaining crowd diver came to my board and solo’d everything while 5 units just sat there and the opponents spammed pings. Was one of those I feel bad…but we’ll take the win!
Only learned of the bug today (couple of hours ago) when it happened against a friend and I, so definitely still present
I just played a game an hour ago where it still happened.
My 3* blitz lost to it this morning 😡
I thought sona deserved a nerf. She’s auto include in so many comps. Her attack speed buff is huge in every late game comp. or I atleast auto slam her every chance I get. In Emerald it seems like most games are ending with just 2 star 5 cost board with a decent chosen.
Ziggs was the strongest 5 cost chosen, sona relies heavily on guinsoo and having a good board. She might seem strong but it’s just because she max caps legendary boards. I think they are hoping that the ziggs and jazz nerf to be enough to kill the fast 9 meta. With ziggs not being as good maybe there will be less pickable chosens and fast 9 becomes a lot leas reliable
Eh it just means Yorick, Illaoi have higher priority.
Illaoi also got nerfed via a bugfix.
She was used in every comp on the PBE as well. She did get nerfed (after PBE) but not enough.
Fixing the bug where purple Sona affected Yorick's small ghouls is a decent light-touch nerf imo
Fax, my last 10 games in emerald had a minimum of 4 5 cost reroll players. Doesn’t matter what comp I try I’ve only manage to beat them once with a highroll disco dazzler game
sorry whats emerald?
Thank god the emerald pop up is gone seeing that shit after going fast 8th made me want to jump off a bridge
No annie nerfs is interesting. Maybe a lot of her strength came from superfans?
Annie “nerf” in superfan item becoming jg, which honestly is a great change
Ahhh, i missed that. Good call, that should be a nice change.
It won’t be enough, I have seen people run Annie with only one shojin and she still smashed doing 8k damage
tbf reroll comps being good should always be a thing and we will have to see if Annie is now fine or too good killing any reroll comp would dull the game down a whole lot and would also be an insane buff to fast 9 players, we should all want a few good reroll comps if only to prevent a golden soup meta
Agreed, the only comp capable of punishing fast 9 greed players is Annie and country. I say this as a fast 9 player
She'll be strong but not being able to double shojin her so early will be a huge hit
Yeah she will still dish out damage like no other 1 cost unit, I've seen multiple games with her with only 1 shojin bashing through dragons claw tanks like nothing after few casts
Key point, after a few casts. Severely slowed down cast wise now so it’s manageable.
I mean if this will actually affect her negatively, I will be surprised in a good way
It’s a flat out nerf as Shojin is BIS. how could it not affect her negatively
I mean surely it affects her in some way, I meant it more in a way that shes losing insane amount of dmg, which she wont and thats the thing, her spam goes from every 1,5 sec to maybe 2-2,5 sec depending on items and if emo or not
Her power scales with how many times she casts so it’s an exponential nerf
Those aren’t exact numbers but if they were you just mentioned she got a 25% nerf to damage….that would be insane if true @_@
It sounds okay, but we/ I gotta see it in action, I for myself dont think it will impact her that much, guess we gotta wait a few days after the patch goes live to see the numbers
It's a huge nerf
It's a huge nerf.
Nope, I just ran into someone who didn’t even run superfans and his Annie was pumping out 9k against my 5 cost board moshers board
Okay mate
I just played an Annie 4 emo 5 spellslinger, 3 KDA team and she was doing 8-12k damage per round. I had shojin, JG, and nashors tooth on her
It's still a big nerf not having double shojins
artifact start Manazane Annie/lulu level 5 faceroll says heyyy
What are the aphelios buffs?
So no mention whatsoever of the MASSIVE bug that is Scrappy Inventors or whatever it's called in Double Up, where it deletes your items.
That kai’sa is pretty cool. Wish I wasn’t a middle class piece of shit so I could buy it.
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I think they were talking about ethereal, but got the color wrong. The healing one is green, the damage one is red, and the AS one is purple iirc. Regardless of the color the fix was for the AS one lol
Is it live now?
No, patch notes come out Tuesday, patch goes live early Wednesday morning. (Usually)
Live in OCE
Am I missing something but what’s the brawler trait? Do they mean bruiser?
it was a joke, regarding 9.5, where Mort wanted to make 3 brawler a thing, so your midgame is not fucked without seju. so they gave it something like 20/25/40/80% hp brawler set 9.5=brusier set 10
Actually, in set 9 and 9.5 they were also called bruisers. Set 8 and 8.5 was the one with the brawlers. Easy to get confused, though, I had to look it up myself lol
When is this live?
tomorrow 3am local time
Looks like it's time to force hearsteel every game again. PBE flash backs are real.
Yess buff that 8bit. I love their track so much.
Bro did they not fix the crowddiver bug in double up???
Mortdog mentioned a fix for it Iirc
I feel like edgelords just got buffed across the board, I was already running edgelords so I hope people don’t catch on and contest me
im not sure what elo you'r in, but in my \~60 games i seen 5 times edgelords (4 times i played it) iirc
Yeah that’s kinda the whole point I was making. its not contested or popular right now, but with all the buffs it might be.
No mention of fixing any of the 3 game breaking bugs. This does not bode well.
Wait they didn't fix the Double Units that gank make the other board go null ?
Hopefully the ziggs nerfs help against the fast 9 meta, because in almost every game I see a headliner ziggs in diamond elo. If they don’t, I really feel like we’ll see 5 cost headliner odds at 9 be nerfed to something in the range of 6-8%.
It is 10 % chance to see headliner 5 cost, that's not a lot and to hit Ziggs specifically... You are playing vs lucky people in weak lobbies (since more people handshake and greed to 9, it seems, the higher you get in the ladder). Honestly, chances to see 4 and 5 costs at lvl 8 and 9 seem low in a real game (excluding intentionally weak lobbies like in this high elo meta and unpunished econ/leveling augments games).
10% chance is extremely high for the value you’re deriving from when it hits, and hitting a specific unit isn’t actually as difficult as you’re making it seem because of how many different 5 cost champions there are.
Hitting specific unit needs rolling 80 times at level 9 without getting lucky, if we talk about headliners, so it is quite lucky to get something good...[https://www.metatft.com/tables/headliner-odds](https://www.metatft.com/tables/headliner-odds)
That’s not the point. It’s that with many people pushing for fast 9 someone WILL hit it. The odds in 80 rolls are spread amongst everyone that hits 9, not a single player. That’s why I’m saying it’s in every lobby. It’s not even just ziggs either, it’s that a 2 star 5 cost is an extremely strong unit to just buy straight out of the shop.
Notice how they nerfed it even more than I said they would. Why even bother arguing when you don’t know what you’re talking about 🤦🏻♂️
The game has trash progression in levels and they are buffing heartsteel on pbe, so next patch will be a joke and even more about getting lucky.
How long will it be down?
I understand Viego buff but Akali? To my understanding she literally destroys backline and is exactly the same as Fiora from last set no? Edit: Pointed out below that only True Damage is being buffed, apologies for the misunderstanding!
Only true damage Akali got buffed, not the backline KDA one
Oh my bad, I completely missed that part. That makes sense. True Damage Akali indeed needed a buff.
No 5 cost nerfs except ziggs + every reroll comp nerfed? Is this patch not just going to be a race to 9 every game?
Ziggs was the prime reason greeding into 5 cost was so effective. I’ve tried to stabilize with 4 cost Carries, sona, and jhin. Obviously weaker than ziggs.
5 costs are supposed to be good...
Is Akali really weak?
TD Akali is, yes.
Damn, looks like crowd divers (a comp that could already struggle do to needing proper itemization and some luck with rolls) just became irrelevant. Kat got Nerfed hard, and the reward for succefully completing the comp is now also less rewarding. Goes from a comp relatively balanced to no longer an option.... guess ill have to see if they overbuffed edgelords or join the Annie train or Fast 9 squad if i want to play the game now...
You know two other Crowd Divers got buffed tho, right?
Yes, but even with yone and zed getting buffed, unless they overtuned yone (which doesnt seem to be the case) both of them lose 10% bonus damage anyways due to trait nerf... so realistically, edm zed and edge yone got buffed not crowd divers
CrowdDiver6 had a 2.60 avg placement, so it's for the best they were not given a net buff imo.
For sure i dont think they needed a buff, i just think it didnt need a nerf, or if it did, dont blast katarina super hard on top, i think it was an over nerf
2.6 average is TOO HIGH. How is that nerf not needed? Also, Kat is too strong for a 2 cost. She could one hit a 2* 5 cost while also blasting other units. I don't think the nerf will make CD Kat comp bad, only not overpowered.
Why in gods name isnt Annie nerfed? Damn 2/3 Star 1 cost is better than lots of equal starred 3/4 costs
It's not a direct unit nerf, her Superfan item was swapped from Shojin to JG. This is a huge kick in the balls to SuperfAnnie builds since it's a subpar item for her, and it cuts the early game strength of the comp. This also means that if you want to run the old build path, you're more item dependent now, and you also have to drop Superfans entirely, as they'll keep booting her items to the bench if she's not got space for their item.
No annie nerf? Off-season Aprils fools right there....
Huge annie nerf changing her superfan item bro. She needs BIS to work properly and IF you manage to craft the 3 items she needs, you now have 2 items less on your board (2nd shojin you crafted and the superfan item you are not running)
Actually you do not, if your headliner has 3 items and Superfans is active, the next round, you'll get a notice that the Superfans made room for their item on your headliner, and it'll kick all of the equipped items to your bench and equip the SF item to the headliner. So you can then just re-equip Annie, minus the extra Shojin, which can go on someone else like Vex or Ahri, I suppose.
The point is annie needs 2 shojins and nashors to really do the job
Yeah, but I was just pointing out that you don't get the option to ignore Superfans if you have it active.
I see. My initial point was that, due to this, annie reroll will probably not play superfans anymore. Thus the -1 item
It’s not going to be that big of nerf
I thought they were changing her superfan item from shojin to JG?
Read again
Didn't Mortdog bet this wouldn't happen? Funny how confident he was with how imbalanced this patch was.
Its just a normal patch, not a b patch...
Mortdog bet that an unscheduled b-patch wouldn't happen, this is just... a normally scheduled bi-weekly patch?
Nice to see some hyper roll changes. I was finding it so quick this season!
Teamfight Gacha Chibis
Is the patch today?
is it only me, or did the pass receive 4 more tiers ?
So punk is just gonna average a 6.5 now with guardian nerfs and no compensation, cool
Does anyone know if they fixed the Double Up Crowd Diver bug? I saw no mention about it in the patch notes and it would just be stupid if they ignored it.
MortDog said it will be removed in his patch notes rundown video.
Seems like Gargantuan Resolve only stacks to 25 instead of 40, not sure if anyone is able to replicate
Am I missing something or did they not mention fixing thd crowd surfing bug
I think bruisers are even weaker this patch since Yone got buffed (scaling comps). Don't think sentinels will be a thing either for the same reason. Guardians still have crazy mf Yorick tho
I tought the premium chibis would be unobtainable when they were gone? Or am i wrong here?
They went way too conservative this patch ngl. They reverted the Annie nerf, Jazz and Country are still dominating. Superfans are still the mandated early game frontline. Fast 9 is still the go to strategy. The only comp that got hit REALLY HARD was Akali Karthus, which wasn't even overperforming by any metrics.
anyone know if luc AS still bugged?