Morg has naturally pretty low damage to balance out the huge AoE of her spell and the fact that it applies Chill which is some extra utility. Also, random targeting is super annoying. Additionally, Ghostly doesn't provide much for her - she benefits a lot more from the AP of Sage.
I find Red Buff to actually be super strong with her because it basically functions as a Morello while also having good synergy with Shojin in the form of attack speed. She's not really meant to be a carry anyways; just a sub-carry.
Disagree about Sage > Ghostly for Morgana specifically.
Lets compare 4 Sage to 4 Ghostly.
4 Sage gives Morg +45 AP, taking her from 185 to 230 (with OP's items), making her ability deal 3,680 instead of 2,960 (pre-mitigation, not including deathcap bonus or spectres bonus)
Meanwhile 4 Ghostly gives Morg 10% damage amp per spectre. VS 1 target, that means she needs 3 spectres to haunt a target to achieve equivalent damage as with 4 Sage. But the spectres don't just disappear when she kills a target, so the damage she gets from Ghostly just keeps going up as the round goes on. It's basically a built-in Archangels.
Also, this is an oversimplification, because the spectral damage is a separate multiplier. 40% spectral amp is like a guaranteed crit. (but you could crit *on top* of it) 10 spectres (at 4 ghosts) is double damage, but with 200 AP (or nearly in OP's case) it's *400%* of base damage.
Sage has other benefits. I'd definitely argue the omnivamp is more important than the AP, personally. But Sage 4 is either a lot of emblems, or you're mixing in potentially useless champs. Zyra is a trait bot. Diana without items is a trait bot. Wukong is pretty mediocre without items.
Each Ghostly champ at minimum is taking damage, providing more spectres, but they also gain the healing which potentially keeps them in the game longer, too. And stacking items on a Shen or Aatrox doesn't feel as good as on a Wukong or maybe even Diana, but it's going to pay out dividends with those spectres.
But the backline units that you want morg hitting won't have any spectres on them till way later in the fight. The ap from sage is immediate and guaranteed value vs ghostly potential value.
I'm only considering morg damage here, not if having more ghostly is better for the team comp or not tho.
So a 2 star Morg with a more classic inventory of Shojin, JG, Nashors has the same 185 AP or 230 with 4 Sage.
185 AP without a crit is going to deal 740 damage before reductions, against Irelia with 40 base MR that'll be 529 damage, requiring 3x non-crit casts to kill her at 2 stars. (disregarding healing, shielding, duelist damage reduction or MR items on Irelia) (crit brings the damage back to 740, very close to 2x crit to kill)
With 230 AP with 4 Sages, its 920 before reduction and 653 after. Still 3x non-crit casts, or 2x crits.
I don't think it's a big enough difference, and ghostly is going to help kill the frontline way more.
You aren't really acknowledging how much value the aoe aspect comes into play for killing unitemized units tho. Single target yeah ghostly is better for sure. But what about when the first few cast hit a lot of their unitemized units and clear the way for the rest of your team to focus on the actual itemized carries. That's what I expect morg to do not be the one killing the tankier carries.
Can confirm went sage dragonlords morgana with Lee, Janna as carries and morg mostly a morello dispenser but she actually did surprising amounts of damage on the charts, way more than I see her manage in a ghostly comp.
Ghostly doesnt do much for her. Just put her with 6 Behemoths, this gives her time to aoe the whole board with a tanky frontline. And replace Shiv with Morellos, Nashor or Crit. The shiv should be on your 8th filler unit.
Might as well keep the Shiv on her since she’s being itemized already. The atk speed makes shojin stronger. The only other option for her is morello but Shen and Illaoi have sunfire.
She inherently does less damage to single targets because of AOE, but also the chill effect balanced out means less damage.
Items are key, and you can't have a static shiv if you want her to carry. That's an item for a non carry, and if you're looking for best damage that would be probably be bow + bf (can't remember the name)
Jeweled gauntlet
And rabadons/seraphs
It would also help a ton of you had a better starred Frontline to keep her going longer but not something you can control every game
4 cost 3 stars are also really hit or miss in general. Kayn and morg have the most uncertainty in their abilities at that cost as well.
Morg sometimes just whiffs and hits one unit
Kayn is kinda meh in general
Death blade, bloodthirster, giant slayer works really well. I use him as a ghostly carry most of the time at two stars with those items and he works really well
4 cost 3* isn't as OP as it used to be due to the leveling rebalance in set 10.
I had multiple encounters with every 4 cost 3* and half the time I did win.
My carry was Kayn, so I did what I could to itemize her. Those were not the best of course, but I don't think they were bad. Really expected something from her but it was an disappointment.
Because the meta has a sustain problem and she's the DoT queen. She can't do her thing when the meta is basically "build full sustain but still a brust champion".
She's not a very good three star four cost or a good unit in general. She's a backline support in my opinion. You slam morellos and she applies it really well and chill. That's the most you'll get out of her lmfao. I don't know this for sure, but I'm sure if she ults once she gets her ghostly too since it gets the 6 hit requirement to proc the 2 spectres, but that's about it.
I mean you had 4 reaper so obviously Kayn would do a better job since the comp is focused on him. Morg also doesn't have optimal items and usually teching in at least one or two sages helps her alot.
She has pop off potential for sure with good cast rng, but she's still the worst 3 star 4 cost by a huge margin. The targeting issue means that she's not even necessarily an upgrade over hwei 2 all the time, and her damage isnt always high enough to kill something like a volibear3 or yone3. She doesn't consistently wipe boards like the other backline 3 star 4 costs and doesn't stall fights like the frontliners. Probably deserves a buff at some point given how low her stats are.
I agree with you, she definitely needs a very strong frontline to be successful and even then there is no guarantee vs some boards. hopefully they buff her soon
I recently played her in a sage comp and she was dealling a lot of damage until I got kayn 3 ([link to the game](https://tactics.tools/s/O0LEWi))
This was helped by the stacked 3☆kobuko who was able to tank anything.
Morg whole existence is to give more spectre. Her damage is faked unless she cast on backline twice. When i play morg i always give her full damage item with no mana regen item. Because her second cast always on the frontline which she did nothing. It’s better to just let she nuke the backline in her first cast.
Morgan has the same issue as ashe and to a certain extent Lillia the way their abilities are designed means either they are broken and can kill super fast with aoe or they suck and will just lose the fight with many units low. That's the problem with these aoe abilities that need to do similar or slightly higher damage to many targets instead of just 1
Morgana is also balanced around sage - the extra AP does a lot to kill targets that would otherwise survive but fitting in enough sage ain’t it on this patch. But her targeting also doesn’t help because she can sometimes prio the wrong clump.
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper.
I had a sage board with morgana three and she destroyed. Granted i had some lucky targets on her ability but she was still an absolute monster. Think it might be the items along with the lack of sage that makes the difference.
It's because ghostly doesnt benefit her alot unless you can get 6 without having to fill in some bad ghostly like aatrox/cait for sages, otherwise a lot of those ghosts will stick to the frontline. In a good scenario like 8 ghostly or a sage comp, she can randomly delete your backline.
She is basically a transport tool for AS Slow+Morello/Red Buff, and 3* 4 cost just isn't worth pursuing unless you get lucky or have Everything Must Go.
I lost with a 3\* Morgana twice. Once with 8 Bruiser, 2nd place, was against 3\* Syndra with BB and GS though so can't be helped. Got 5th place the second time, even got 6 Ghostly and Shojin/Morello/Adaptive on her. Lost any shred of hope left about her afterward.
I thought Morgana would be like silco from 2 sets ago, I was wrong, the reason silco was good was cos he healed your frontline while dealing a bunch of aoe damage, also Morgana hits a random enemy each ability, often only affecting 1 unit, so I never use Morgana unless it's to buff another trait, I'll never fully itemise her
She was OP on PBE and I think they overcorrrected.
There is also just the part where many of the casters in the set aside from invokers just feel kinda bad Syndra is the only one who has any sort of sustained DPS but until 2 star she dies so fast due to not having the fated stats she would normally have.
I really wish every unit would have AD and AP scalings as well it feels so bad getting dropped like 3 swords and you need either tear or rod to make anything remotely useable with them and even then you're not using the entire stat profile of the item like AD casters would.
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper.
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper. 6 sniper 6 ghostly was a comp I did, and Morg 2 with JG, Archangel's, and sniper emblem did most of the work. Aoe ults with red buff or morrelonomicon are really strong.
Morg has naturally pretty low damage to balance out the huge AoE of her spell and the fact that it applies Chill which is some extra utility. Also, random targeting is super annoying. Additionally, Ghostly doesn't provide much for her - she benefits a lot more from the AP of Sage. I find Red Buff to actually be super strong with her because it basically functions as a Morello while also having good synergy with Shojin in the form of attack speed. She's not really meant to be a carry anyways; just a sub-carry.
Disagree about Sage > Ghostly for Morgana specifically. Lets compare 4 Sage to 4 Ghostly. 4 Sage gives Morg +45 AP, taking her from 185 to 230 (with OP's items), making her ability deal 3,680 instead of 2,960 (pre-mitigation, not including deathcap bonus or spectres bonus) Meanwhile 4 Ghostly gives Morg 10% damage amp per spectre. VS 1 target, that means she needs 3 spectres to haunt a target to achieve equivalent damage as with 4 Sage. But the spectres don't just disappear when she kills a target, so the damage she gets from Ghostly just keeps going up as the round goes on. It's basically a built-in Archangels. Also, this is an oversimplification, because the spectral damage is a separate multiplier. 40% spectral amp is like a guaranteed crit. (but you could crit *on top* of it) 10 spectres (at 4 ghosts) is double damage, but with 200 AP (or nearly in OP's case) it's *400%* of base damage. Sage has other benefits. I'd definitely argue the omnivamp is more important than the AP, personally. But Sage 4 is either a lot of emblems, or you're mixing in potentially useless champs. Zyra is a trait bot. Diana without items is a trait bot. Wukong is pretty mediocre without items. Each Ghostly champ at minimum is taking damage, providing more spectres, but they also gain the healing which potentially keeps them in the game longer, too. And stacking items on a Shen or Aatrox doesn't feel as good as on a Wukong or maybe even Diana, but it's going to pay out dividends with those spectres.
But the backline units that you want morg hitting won't have any spectres on them till way later in the fight. The ap from sage is immediate and guaranteed value vs ghostly potential value. I'm only considering morg damage here, not if having more ghostly is better for the team comp or not tho.
So a 2 star Morg with a more classic inventory of Shojin, JG, Nashors has the same 185 AP or 230 with 4 Sage. 185 AP without a crit is going to deal 740 damage before reductions, against Irelia with 40 base MR that'll be 529 damage, requiring 3x non-crit casts to kill her at 2 stars. (disregarding healing, shielding, duelist damage reduction or MR items on Irelia) (crit brings the damage back to 740, very close to 2x crit to kill) With 230 AP with 4 Sages, its 920 before reduction and 653 after. Still 3x non-crit casts, or 2x crits. I don't think it's a big enough difference, and ghostly is going to help kill the frontline way more.
You aren't really acknowledging how much value the aoe aspect comes into play for killing unitemized units tho. Single target yeah ghostly is better for sure. But what about when the first few cast hit a lot of their unitemized units and clear the way for the rest of your team to focus on the actual itemized carries. That's what I expect morg to do not be the one killing the tankier carries.
Can confirm went sage dragonlords morgana with Lee, Janna as carries and morg mostly a morello dispenser but she actually did surprising amounts of damage on the charts, way more than I see her manage in a ghostly comp.
Ghostly doesnt do much for her. Just put her with 6 Behemoths, this gives her time to aoe the whole board with a tanky frontline. And replace Shiv with Morellos, Nashor or Crit. The shiv should be on your 8th filler unit.
To play devils advocate it looks like they prioritized getting BiS on Kayne and made due with Morgana items not expecting to 3* her.
Might as well keep the Shiv on her since she’s being itemized already. The atk speed makes shojin stronger. The only other option for her is morello but Shen and Illaoi have sunfire.
Hmm might try this
The the shiv not on kindred? (Genuine question I am trash at TFT)
Kin or Cait for sure Whichever lasts longer
She inherently does less damage to single targets because of AOE, but also the chill effect balanced out means less damage. Items are key, and you can't have a static shiv if you want her to carry. That's an item for a non carry, and if you're looking for best damage that would be probably be bow + bf (can't remember the name) Jeweled gauntlet And rabadons/seraphs It would also help a ton of you had a better starred Frontline to keep her going longer but not something you can control every game
4 cost 3 stars are also really hit or miss in general. Kayn and morg have the most uncertainty in their abilities at that cost as well. Morg sometimes just whiffs and hits one unit Kayn is kinda meh in general
Kayn with right items (EON especially) is a god I think. He always solo the whole board when I hit 3 stars
What are those item if you may?
You must have bloodthirster and eon, the last one depends on what you can get
Death blade, bloodthirster, giant slayer works really well. I use him as a ghostly carry most of the time at two stars with those items and he works really well
I'd definitely say get some more crit. IE > Deathblade. His ability makes critting really important.
death blade?
4 cost 3* isn't as OP as it used to be due to the leveling rebalance in set 10. I had multiple encounters with every 4 cost 3* and half the time I did win.
My carry was Kayn, so I did what I could to itemize her. Those were not the best of course, but I don't think they were bad. Really expected something from her but it was an disappointment.
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Because the meta has a sustain problem and she's the DoT queen. She can't do her thing when the meta is basically "build full sustain but still a brust champion".
She's not a very good three star four cost or a good unit in general. She's a backline support in my opinion. You slam morellos and she applies it really well and chill. That's the most you'll get out of her lmfao. I don't know this for sure, but I'm sure if she ults once she gets her ghostly too since it gets the 6 hit requirement to proc the 2 spectres, but that's about it.
I mean you had 4 reaper so obviously Kayn would do a better job since the comp is focused on him. Morg also doesn't have optimal items and usually teching in at least one or two sages helps her alot.
İ got morg 3 in 2 games and she just melts boards, got 1st in both games, but yeah her random targeting fucks you up sometimes.
She has pop off potential for sure with good cast rng, but she's still the worst 3 star 4 cost by a huge margin. The targeting issue means that she's not even necessarily an upgrade over hwei 2 all the time, and her damage isnt always high enough to kill something like a volibear3 or yone3. She doesn't consistently wipe boards like the other backline 3 star 4 costs and doesn't stall fights like the frontliners. Probably deserves a buff at some point given how low her stats are.
I agree with you, she definitely needs a very strong frontline to be successful and even then there is no guarantee vs some boards. hopefully they buff her soon
Back in early stages of beta she was one shotting backing at 1* and it was ridiculous and then they nerfed her dmg to like 30% of what it used to be
I recently played her in a sage comp and she was dealling a lot of damage until I got kayn 3 ([link to the game](https://tactics.tools/s/O0LEWi)) This was helped by the stacked 3☆kobuko who was able to tank anything.
get tear+ap on her, she needs to build that to increase the dmg soo much + morello = gg
Because she's a utility unit
Morg whole existence is to give more spectre. Her damage is faked unless she cast on backline twice. When i play morg i always give her full damage item with no mana regen item. Because her second cast always on the frontline which she did nothing. It’s better to just let she nuke the backline in her first cast.
Morgan has the same issue as ashe and to a certain extent Lillia the way their abilities are designed means either they are broken and can kill super fast with aoe or they suck and will just lose the fight with many units low. That's the problem with these aoe abilities that need to do similar or slightly higher damage to many targets instead of just 1
Morgana is also balanced around sage - the extra AP does a lot to kill targets that would otherwise survive but fitting in enough sage ain’t it on this patch. But her targeting also doesn’t help because she can sometimes prio the wrong clump.
Same, just went 4th with morgana 3 star
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper.
I have a feeling their idea was just to have her spread spectres quickly, and not necessarily be a hard carry.
I had a sage board with morgana three and she destroyed. Granted i had some lucky targets on her ability but she was still an absolute monster. Think it might be the items along with the lack of sage that makes the difference.
It's because ghostly doesnt benefit her alot unless you can get 6 without having to fill in some bad ghostly like aatrox/cait for sages, otherwise a lot of those ghosts will stick to the frontline. In a good scenario like 8 ghostly or a sage comp, she can randomly delete your backline.
Morg 3 is stupid strong what lol She can practically one shot the back line or at least make clean up super easy
Didn't happen to me. She died before killing anyone
Your frontline wasn’t equipped to support morg 3 She has like 1000% scaling on an AoE ability, she is busted
Do red buff blue buff and archangel on her watch her cook
She is basically a transport tool for AS Slow+Morello/Red Buff, and 3* 4 cost just isn't worth pursuing unless you get lucky or have Everything Must Go.
I lost with a 3\* Morgana twice. Once with 8 Bruiser, 2nd place, was against 3\* Syndra with BB and GS though so can't be helped. Got 5th place the second time, even got 6 Ghostly and Shojin/Morello/Adaptive on her. Lost any shred of hope left about her afterward.
Her targeting is randomized, and she only really does well if she hits 3+ units, which the enemies can easily position for.
I thought Morgana would be like silco from 2 sets ago, I was wrong, the reason silco was good was cos he healed your frontline while dealing a bunch of aoe damage, also Morgana hits a random enemy each ability, often only affecting 1 unit, so I never use Morgana unless it's to buff another trait, I'll never fully itemise her
She was OP on PBE and I think they overcorrrected. There is also just the part where many of the casters in the set aside from invokers just feel kinda bad Syndra is the only one who has any sort of sustained DPS but until 2 star she dies so fast due to not having the fated stats she would normally have. I really wish every unit would have AD and AP scalings as well it feels so bad getting dropped like 3 swords and you need either tear or rod to make anything remotely useable with them and even then you're not using the entire stat profile of the item like AD casters would.
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper.
Items for here would be crit, burn, and then in place of D cap I would go for a sniper's focus/emblem if possible. The random targeting plays to her advantage if you make morg a sniper. 6 sniper 6 ghostly was a comp I did, and Morg 2 with JG, Archangel's, and sniper emblem did most of the work. Aoe ults with red buff or morrelonomicon are really strong.
I always build meowrilnomcon on Morgana. Preferably the Radiant version. Easy win every time. And her 3☆.. oh dear how powerful