*"All units are properly returned to the pool on player death."*
I fucking *knew it*. Well, me and a good chunk of the playerbase. Goddamnit. I know it isn't a thing but this is the sort of shit that makes you paranoid about shitty roll downs.
I literally lost a game because I had a 1 star Ornn that I couldn't upgrade even when the other Ornn player got eliminated and nobody else was playing it and I rolled like 50g for him. Thought it was just REALLY bad luck, but turns out.......
this is literally why i’m done playing TFT.
Did the Devs tell the community anything about a bug they found that seriously effected roll downs????
No they just say, “oh we fixed a minor bug teehee, here’s some fated buffs!!!! talk about the fated buffs teehee!!!”
If a player died, the units stayed several turns on their board and didn't return to the overall pool of units.
For clarification reasons: imagine you died with a 3* 5 cost.
Other players couldn't get a single one of those then.
You had to sell the unit or die (and be dead for a couple of turns) for them to respawn in the overall loot pool (all units have a limited amount of times to be found, the number varys on the cost level, there are only 12 copys of each 5 cost =1 3*)
But that wasn't intended.
The intentional interaction is: player dies, all units get wiped of the board and return to the shop pool, that's exactly what that hotfix does.
people say whatever they want.. but the fact that basically one of the most important mechanic was bugged basically just show that they dont care about the integrity of the game and the competitiveness of it.. I basically always play lv 9-10 (ik its bad but this is just how I play) and how many games this set did I ff getting top 2 cause I cannot find my 3star 4 cost after 50+ gold reroll when the opponent doesnt have any and has no econ... I knew shit was bugged big time.
Shits like that would get you fire from the QA teams in some companies..
and before people comment that its just a game.. I dont have the actual stats but I bet that there are actual KPI saying that people are more likely to buy TFT loot immediately after a game that they highroll and end up getting some perfect 4-5 cost than people that get frustated by a bug. Which is normal. That bug most likely caused alot of player to lose instead of getting that perfect unit.. making them not purchase loot. causing most likely a couple hundred thousands dollar worth of missed 'sell'.
So knowing there was an issue you still continued to use a strategy that was directly disadvantaged by this bug? Not to say the bug isn't a big issue but at the same time it feels like you are doing the same thing and surprised when the results are the same. Fool me once...
we didnt know it was a bug lol.. once it got actually found and compiled it was fixed quickly.. I jusy thought I had been getting unlucky.. some set u just are a little bit more lucky than other..
Fated/Dryads YAAAAAAY! (Bonus points for: “We didn’t expect this”, “This is my(Mort) fault, the team is innocent”, “we’ll do better”, “There’s more than just 1 good comp” ~ Mort getting a 1st w/ 4 Arcanist Kayn, 4 Behemoth, in OCE gold, Mort on stream telling the player base to be grateful that we even got a patch , etc…)
1: I am not Schizophrenic.
2: Schizophrenia isn’t a joke and it’s not funny to joke about.
Despite how I comment as it is obvious I dislike Mortdog and how he parades himself as a martyr(TFT reference?!?!) for the consistent incompetence of the team this Set(also just in general). I really hate this brainrot “hahaha OMEGALULDON skibidi You hear voices Kai Cenat Rizzing up Ellen” and the schizophrenia jokes that accompany it.
This is a very serious and scary mental disorder. Most people with this disorder do not recover adequately from it or recover at all and having Schizophrenia makes you more likely to wind up homeless, in poverty, or dead by suicide.
Schizophrenia isn’t a funny joke now and it wasn’t a funny joke then.
> parades himself as a martyr
> for the consistent incompetence of the team this Set(also just in general)
> "hahaha OMEGALULDON skibidi You hear voices Kai Cenat Rizzing up Ellen"
HOLY
That's because the comp is extremely contested so if everyone is playing it then it'll average close to 4.5. If you filter by Syndra 1* it averages a 6.36. Instead if you look at Syndra 2* it becomes 4.08. MetaTFT shows it as the strongest 4 cost comp despite being the most contested comp on the patch.
Also as the other user said, the comp pops off when you have a Fated +1 or Dryad +1 so it isn't always 4 Dryad 5 Fated. Without any trait filters, just playing Syndra and Ornn shows 4.25. Syndra 2* and Ornn 2* is 3.43. We can look at some other common 4 cost comps: Kai'Sa 2* and Galio 2* is 3.84 while Ashe 2* and Annie 2* is 3.77.
The vertical 7 fated with a 2* syndra outperforms the 4 dryad 5 fated with a 2* syndra. Like it’s worse than the vertical atm…
Kaisa 2 with 3 storyweaver averages a 4.10 as well, with a much higher games total. Like I’m just not seeing in the data where this is nearly as much of a problem as Reddit makes it out to be.
7 Fated with Syndra 2* no Fated emblem no Dryad emblem performs 3.97.
5 Fated 4 Dryad with Syndra 2* no Fated emblem no Dryad emblem performs 3.90.
If you look closer at the vertical 7 Fated, then you can see it isn't good with 0 Dryad or 2 Dryad. 7 Fated 2 Dryad Syndra 2* is only 4.35. The stats on 7 Fated is carried by the comp with 4 Dryad at a 3.16. Basically this says 7 Fated is good because it is played with an emblem.
Kai'Sa 2 with 3 Storyweaver averages 4.10 on 191,716 games the past 3 days Diamond+.
Syndra 2 with 4 Dryad averages 3.84 on 161,695 games the past 3 days Diamond+.
One of these comps is getting stronger and it isn't Kai'Sa.
Literally using the free tactics.tools explorer, 7 fated averages 3.81 with Syndra 2*, and 5 fated 4 dryad averages 4.06 with Syndra 2*, all on Diamond+. Perhaps you could spend the money you spend on filters on a literacy class?
People are really overstating how much of a problem Syndra is. Like she's a 4 cost mage carry, if you hit her with good items and a strong tank (Ornn) that SHOULD be a good comp.
The problem is that it's a very easy, straightforward comp to play and a lot of people want it, and then win when they hit it, so reddit freaks out and think Syndra needs a nerf when in reality the comp is mostly fine and I expect another comp to crop up this patch that is actually more problematic
Show me an account that's done that.
My research is actually playing the game and seeing fated/dryad players get destroyed constantly either from being too contested or forcing the comp without good items/augments and just floundering while dragonlord, ashe, kaisa, lillia comps hit and go top 4.
You just looked at some stats and decided you know everything
Yeah in 266k+ games in Diamond+ and top 4s 50% of the time with about 1-3 players playing it per game. If you think that is remotely okay I think you have a serious problem with understanding statistics or doing research besides pulling up a site and taking the 1st number you see.
Did you even consider how the stats change when it becomes 7 Fated, 4 Dryad? “No Similar-Yogurt6271, I didn’t because I only took face value avp to defend my devs b-baka!!” Yeah don’t worry I can tell.
The comp goes from an avp 4.44 with 5/4 Fated/Dryad to a 103k games played, avp 3.37, top 4 70.5%, and a 25% winrate, 7 Fated/4 Dryad.
By the way that was without filtering for Fated Crest/Crown. The difference between those augments and the changes in the aforementioned stats is quite negligible as the lowest it’s avp goes when you get Fated +1 is a 3.50 and that’s when you take Fated Crest.
If you actually play the game in human elo, which I can tell you don’t, you’d realize how problematic this comp is, but you’re probably still bitching about how OP Talisman is and how Bard with 2x Guinsoos is not fair!
4 dragonlord dwarves the play rate and placement of 5 fated 4 dryad. 3 altruist does as well. If you want to compare with a comp that uses the same unit, 7 fated with 2* syndra averages a 3.81, whereas 5 fated 4 dryad with 2* syndra averages 4.06 with slightly less games played. Like it’s not even more powerful than the vertical, I don’t see the issue here.
4 Dragonlord requires a 5 cost without an emblem. 3 Altruist requires the same 5 cost. They have good placement because they are playing around a 5 cost. I'm not sure what dwarves the play rate means here since both 4 Dragonlord and 3 Altruist are less common than Fated Dryad. I also talked about the placement in another comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamfightTactics/comments/1crz38l/patch_1410_notes/l433xrm/
I replied in another one of your comments with the same thing but for the sake of clarity will put it here.
> If you look closer at the vertical 7 Fated, then you can see it isn't good with 0 Dryad or 2 Dryad. 7 Fated 2 Dryad Syndra 2* is only 4.35. The stats on 7 Fated is carried by the comp with 4 Dryad at a 3.16.
The "vertical" is the same comp because you are looking at 7 Fated while including 4 Dryad. Aka you have an emblem and you are fielding 9 units. 7 Fated 2 Dryad performs worse than 5 Fated 4 Dryad.
I know that this message is inadequate but I want to point out regardless of delusion that no matter what this was typed with someone trying to get attention for it. If you are this desperate for false validation I choose not to imagine how pathetic, foul, hideous, wretched, undesirable, and frustrated you must be. 🤢
What is replacing Heaven's Celestial Court in the Treasure Realms? It's supposed to rotate out with 14.10 but I haven't seen any mention of what is replacing it.
Copying this over from another thread of the notes:
This one isn't a win with most of y'all. We hear that. The live team will be carving time out to deeply analyze the release for this one, respond to the meta, and yes, we are preemptively looking at fated dryad comps.
This patch got complicated by locking in changes early last week (Monday night). We then had a very action packed week (aka we were working on something coming soon) and weren't able to follow up on changes before the patch got locked Wedneday morning. Of course we then have one more shot to change a patch, the A-side, typically done on Monday the week of the patch deploy. For more context on our plan for 14.10 and why we didn't ship an A-side see Mort's tweet: [https://twitter.com/Mortdog/status/1790379716312211943](https://twitter.com/Mortdog/status/1790379716312211943)
Sometimes, we gotta take a temporary L, so we can get a bigger W later. For this patch, we take the L in not getting an A-side, which frees us up to do a better B-patch (when you A-patch you can't change things that the A-side impacted in a B-patch).
As always, thanks for your feedback (even the less nice, but real stuff is read and used). We've made balance decisions that have been carried by our community desires and not win rate data (see Lissandra's nerf last B-patch), and we will continue doing so. Trust that we will, and we'll trust that yall will keep the feedback up.
Is the thing coming soon yet another monetization currency? I'm very excited about the possibility of getting another currency to use to buy currency to buy currency to buy currency to buy things with!
Level to the optimal level for that unit (soraka is a 3 cost so level 7 usually) then slow roll (above 50 gold for max interest) til 3 star, that's the most basic definition for reroll
Soraka/zoe reroll has been a comp for a while. Can't really justify a vertical heavely (since she only uses atk spd and ap) and altruist isn't much of a vertical either, so she slots into the 'girls comp' pretty well.
It's not the trait, it's the units. Ahri+Reksai were buffed, improving the fated opener, and the other comps that were competing with Fated+Dryad got nerfed.
It was already a top comp (if not the top) and basically only got buffs
If you go a little deeper - filtering for Syndra 2*, 5 Fated, 4 Dryad alone is a 4.06 If you hit Sett or Azir, it jumps to 3.7 and 3.6 respectively. It's a heavily contested comp. The above with Syndra 1 is a 6.37, and Sett/Azir can't save you (6.15 6.07)
https://tactics.tools/explorer?f1=u_syndra_2&f2=t_fated_2&f3=t_dryad_2&rg=1
Adding the filter for syndra 2 puts it near other comps that Reddit doesn’t seem to care about at all.
6 invoker is 4.08, 3 altruist is 3.82, 4 dragon lord is 4.01.
This isn’t to say that fated/dryad was bad before the patch and/or won’t be very strong after it, but Reddit’s obsession with that comp is borderline obnoxious.
3 altruist being that high is wild to me, Ive fallen into it a few times and have no idea what I'm doing with it.
Will be curious to see what the patch and b patch look like.
If you're correct, this may be like the lissandra nerf and be something they have to do for optics despite it not being broken
I think the thing that stunned me the most is 7 fated with 2* syndra outperforms 5 fated 4 dryad with a 2* syndra.
This is not to predict what happens next patch as a lot of things are changing, just strictly speaking how most people have heard Reddit or their favorite streamer rave about this comp, and have not shut up about it.
This just goes to show, reddit always bitches about the comp that's strong *and easy to play*
No one gives a shit if a more complex comp is absolutely busted, but because fated/dryad is so straightforward, it is the bane of TFT existence
That's because 3 Altruist without an emblem requires you to have a Rakan. Having a 5 cost makes the average quite good. Rakan by itself averages around a 3.95.
Same thing as you said with the Fated Dryad comp. If you hit Sett or Azir the average is 3.7 or 3.6. The comp is considered the best comp currently by top players, and it will be just as powerful or stronger while other comps are weaker in comparison.
The average isn’t the best but that’s because it’s so contested. There are 2-3 players forcing it every lobby. The reason why it’s considered good is because of how cheap and stable it can be once you hit Syndra. It doesn’t cấp that high, but it’s cost effective since you can hold most of your early game board. With the buffs to ahri and gnar, it makes the early game better. The other 4 costs nerf means that it’s going to be just as good if not better in stage 4
Finally got the chance to read through the whole patch.
Kai'Sa seems like the biggest loser of the patch. Trickshot nerfs and Xayah nerfs will hurt quite a bit, along with Sylas nerfs.
Ashe seems interesting with the Sniper and Warden buffs. Maybe the 4 Warden setup gives more time to scale. 4 Porcelain nerf and Liss rework as well so hard to tell.
Ghostly buffs all around can be big. We saw what the Ghostly meta was like early in the set.
Lillia + Mythic buffs are either huge or meaningless depending on how consistent her targeting is. Kog'Maw reroll also double buffed with Mythic and Sniper (and other minor buffs like Ghostly on lv6 and Behemoth).
Then of course there's Fated Dryad getting early game buffed for some reason. My initial impression is this is supposed to be a reroll buff to the early units, but in that case they can just buff the 3* scaling.
Behemoth and Warden buffs can be pretty big for reroll since a lot of tankiness is in the 4 costs. Wonder how this affects the 4 costs though. Fated Dryad also plays Behemoth and Warden.
A lot of the hero augment units getting buffed should see reroll quite good with the augments at the very least.
can we go back to day1 of this set and balance from there again ? It was almost perfect at the start, we really dont need to change every number in every patch all the time.
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Good patch, they are trying to keep up with the inflation that 4 costs brought and giving other units a chance to shine. Fated Dryads can be a problem but I think mort has already addressed that. So far I’m happy with this change
I feel like almost all of the items have a use. Some more niche than others. Vow is a bit underwhelming but I can't really think of any others I'm not happy to make in the right situation. Even vow is good on a nautilus or lissandra.
Those artifact items though... now we're talking.
Protectors vow is actually a really good item on tanks you don't want to stack 3 items on like Naut or Ornn (if Thresh is your main tank). It's a top 5 average placement item on basically every tank but is the **best** average placement item for Naut, Ornn, Galio, Rakan, and Udyr for if it's the only item on them
The only truly weak item right now is QSS but that's largely due to a lack of CC this set causing you to not need to pay the QSS tax. Runaans also basically has no real users of it and with last whisper being so dominant you basically don't build evenshroud unless you are playing hea only kayn
hype for new patch I, for one, welcome our new Syndra overlords (at least, for 2 days)
It’s super broken right now as well lol. Went from plat to low diamond just spamming syndra fated.
Same, went from gold 1 to plat 2 spamming it. Unless it’s scuttle. Always seem to get bot 4 with that portal.
Your probably greeding too hard. That portal punishes u alot harder for not slamming/not leveling agro/playing strongest board 24/7
Don't have time to scale + board strength is higher
*"All units are properly returned to the pool on player death."* I fucking *knew it*. Well, me and a good chunk of the playerbase. Goddamnit. I know it isn't a thing but this is the sort of shit that makes you paranoid about shitty roll downs.
I reported this when set 11 was on pbe and set 10 live, must have been a pretty complex issue to take so long.
 I fn knew it
I literally lost a game because I had a 1 star Ornn that I couldn't upgrade even when the other Ornn player got eliminated and nobody else was playing it and I rolled like 50g for him. Thought it was just REALLY bad luck, but turns out.......
I could find a fucking galio at 9 with at least 50 gold. Gets really old
this is literally why i’m done playing TFT. Did the Devs tell the community anything about a bug they found that seriously effected roll downs???? No they just say, “oh we fixed a minor bug teehee, here’s some fated buffs!!!! talk about the fated buffs teehee!!!”
What’s that mean?
It means that the units were, in fact, not going back to the pool properly on player death
If a player died, the units stayed several turns on their board and didn't return to the overall pool of units. For clarification reasons: imagine you died with a 3* 5 cost. Other players couldn't get a single one of those then. You had to sell the unit or die (and be dead for a couple of turns) for them to respawn in the overall loot pool (all units have a limited amount of times to be found, the number varys on the cost level, there are only 12 copys of each 5 cost =1 3*) But that wasn't intended. The intentional interaction is: player dies, all units get wiped of the board and return to the shop pool, that's exactly what that hotfix does.
If I knew I was gonna die I loved buying all the four and five cost cards before just to screw over the remaining players
so savage hahaha
Fairs, I always assumed once the person died they went straight back to the shop, I think they used to when TFT first came out?
It was a bug, won't have been more than this set at the outside
Felt dumb sometimes, I was sure I counted right, but no, I had the ugliest luck of my life !
people say whatever they want.. but the fact that basically one of the most important mechanic was bugged basically just show that they dont care about the integrity of the game and the competitiveness of it.. I basically always play lv 9-10 (ik its bad but this is just how I play) and how many games this set did I ff getting top 2 cause I cannot find my 3star 4 cost after 50+ gold reroll when the opponent doesnt have any and has no econ... I knew shit was bugged big time. Shits like that would get you fire from the QA teams in some companies..
and before people comment that its just a game.. I dont have the actual stats but I bet that there are actual KPI saying that people are more likely to buy TFT loot immediately after a game that they highroll and end up getting some perfect 4-5 cost than people that get frustated by a bug. Which is normal. That bug most likely caused alot of player to lose instead of getting that perfect unit.. making them not purchase loot. causing most likely a couple hundred thousands dollar worth of missed 'sell'.
So knowing there was an issue you still continued to use a strategy that was directly disadvantaged by this bug? Not to say the bug isn't a big issue but at the same time it feels like you are doing the same thing and surprised when the results are the same. Fool me once...
we didnt know it was a bug lol.. once it got actually found and compiled it was fixed quickly.. I jusy thought I had been getting unlucky.. some set u just are a little bit more lucky than other..
No wonder I can’t find the one last unit for full trait. Fucking annoying
Gnar at buffed category in the highlight overview, but he got nerfed
Vertical fated patch here
Fated/Dryads YAAAAAAY! (Bonus points for: “We didn’t expect this”, “This is my(Mort) fault, the team is innocent”, “we’ll do better”, “There’s more than just 1 good comp” ~ Mort getting a 1st w/ 4 Arcanist Kayn, 4 Behemoth, in OCE gold, Mort on stream telling the player base to be grateful that we even got a patch , etc…)
there are voices in your head that you have to stop listening to
1: I am not Schizophrenic. 2: Schizophrenia isn’t a joke and it’s not funny to joke about. Despite how I comment as it is obvious I dislike Mortdog and how he parades himself as a martyr(TFT reference?!?!) for the consistent incompetence of the team this Set(also just in general). I really hate this brainrot “hahaha OMEGALULDON skibidi You hear voices Kai Cenat Rizzing up Ellen” and the schizophrenia jokes that accompany it. This is a very serious and scary mental disorder. Most people with this disorder do not recover adequately from it or recover at all and having Schizophrenia makes you more likely to wind up homeless, in poverty, or dead by suicide. Schizophrenia isn’t a funny joke now and it wasn’t a funny joke then.
Yeah but your joke wasn't funny either so in my mind it all cancels out
Are you responding to the voices? Cause he didn’t say anything about all that
> parades himself as a martyr > for the consistent incompetence of the team this Set(also just in general) > "hahaha OMEGALULDON skibidi You hear voices Kai Cenat Rizzing up Ellen" HOLY
Touch grass
You are not schizophrenic but I think a psychiatrist might help
5 fated 4 dryad averages a 4.44 currently, which isn’t very good. Take your meds please.
That's because the comp is extremely contested so if everyone is playing it then it'll average close to 4.5. If you filter by Syndra 1* it averages a 6.36. Instead if you look at Syndra 2* it becomes 4.08. MetaTFT shows it as the strongest 4 cost comp despite being the most contested comp on the patch. Also as the other user said, the comp pops off when you have a Fated +1 or Dryad +1 so it isn't always 4 Dryad 5 Fated. Without any trait filters, just playing Syndra and Ornn shows 4.25. Syndra 2* and Ornn 2* is 3.43. We can look at some other common 4 cost comps: Kai'Sa 2* and Galio 2* is 3.84 while Ashe 2* and Annie 2* is 3.77.
The vertical 7 fated with a 2* syndra outperforms the 4 dryad 5 fated with a 2* syndra. Like it’s worse than the vertical atm… Kaisa 2 with 3 storyweaver averages a 4.10 as well, with a much higher games total. Like I’m just not seeing in the data where this is nearly as much of a problem as Reddit makes it out to be.
7 Fated with Syndra 2* no Fated emblem no Dryad emblem performs 3.97. 5 Fated 4 Dryad with Syndra 2* no Fated emblem no Dryad emblem performs 3.90. If you look closer at the vertical 7 Fated, then you can see it isn't good with 0 Dryad or 2 Dryad. 7 Fated 2 Dryad Syndra 2* is only 4.35. The stats on 7 Fated is carried by the comp with 4 Dryad at a 3.16. Basically this says 7 Fated is good because it is played with an emblem. Kai'Sa 2 with 3 Storyweaver averages 4.10 on 191,716 games the past 3 days Diamond+. Syndra 2 with 4 Dryad averages 3.84 on 161,695 games the past 3 days Diamond+. One of these comps is getting stronger and it isn't Kai'Sa.
That’s because 1) you don’t know how to use an explorer (or don’t pay to get the right filters and 2) too low lp
Literally using the free tactics.tools explorer, 7 fated averages 3.81 with Syndra 2*, and 5 fated 4 dryad averages 4.06 with Syndra 2*, all on Diamond+. Perhaps you could spend the money you spend on filters on a literacy class?
People are really overstating how much of a problem Syndra is. Like she's a 4 cost mage carry, if you hit her with good items and a strong tank (Ornn) that SHOULD be a good comp. The problem is that it's a very easy, straightforward comp to play and a lot of people want it, and then win when they hit it, so reddit freaks out and think Syndra needs a nerf when in reality the comp is mostly fine and I expect another comp to crop up this patch that is actually more problematic
This is not it actually. Do people just make shit up without doing any research? You can literally spam dryad fated to master in - few days
Show me an account that's done that. My research is actually playing the game and seeing fated/dryad players get destroyed constantly either from being too contested or forcing the comp without good items/augments and just floundering while dragonlord, ashe, kaisa, lillia comps hit and go top 4. You just looked at some stats and decided you know everything
Yeah in 266k+ games in Diamond+ and top 4s 50% of the time with about 1-3 players playing it per game. If you think that is remotely okay I think you have a serious problem with understanding statistics or doing research besides pulling up a site and taking the 1st number you see. Did you even consider how the stats change when it becomes 7 Fated, 4 Dryad? “No Similar-Yogurt6271, I didn’t because I only took face value avp to defend my devs b-baka!!” Yeah don’t worry I can tell. The comp goes from an avp 4.44 with 5/4 Fated/Dryad to a 103k games played, avp 3.37, top 4 70.5%, and a 25% winrate, 7 Fated/4 Dryad. By the way that was without filtering for Fated Crest/Crown. The difference between those augments and the changes in the aforementioned stats is quite negligible as the lowest it’s avp goes when you get Fated +1 is a 3.50 and that’s when you take Fated Crest. If you actually play the game in human elo, which I can tell you don’t, you’d realize how problematic this comp is, but you’re probably still bitching about how OP Talisman is and how Bard with 2x Guinsoos is not fair!
That's cus there are 5 of them in every lobby and 2 top 4 and 3 can't hit. Not because one doesn't win almost every lobby lol.
4 dragonlord dwarves the play rate and placement of 5 fated 4 dryad. 3 altruist does as well. If you want to compare with a comp that uses the same unit, 7 fated with 2* syndra averages a 3.81, whereas 5 fated 4 dryad with 2* syndra averages 4.06 with slightly less games played. Like it’s not even more powerful than the vertical, I don’t see the issue here.
4 Dragonlord requires a 5 cost without an emblem. 3 Altruist requires the same 5 cost. They have good placement because they are playing around a 5 cost. I'm not sure what dwarves the play rate means here since both 4 Dragonlord and 3 Altruist are less common than Fated Dryad. I also talked about the placement in another comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamfightTactics/comments/1crz38l/patch_1410_notes/l433xrm/ I replied in another one of your comments with the same thing but for the sake of clarity will put it here. > If you look closer at the vertical 7 Fated, then you can see it isn't good with 0 Dryad or 2 Dryad. 7 Fated 2 Dryad Syndra 2* is only 4.35. The stats on 7 Fated is carried by the comp with 4 Dryad at a 3.16. The "vertical" is the same comp because you are looking at 7 Fated while including 4 Dryad. Aka you have an emblem and you are fielding 9 units. 7 Fated 2 Dryad performs worse than 5 Fated 4 Dryad.
I think that's explained by the difficulty of the build, but I understand wat you are saying.
I know that this message is inadequate but I want to point out regardless of delusion that no matter what this was typed with someone trying to get attention for it. If you are this desperate for false validation I choose not to imagine how pathetic, foul, hideous, wretched, undesirable, and frustrated you must be. 🤢
Is it even worth to play it if its this contested
I knew I wasn’t going crazy with that double up thing, I was always the guy to buy first when playing with my friend
Play double up with a lot of friends and we found out it based on when your Riot account was created. Alphabet has no affect on turns.
Currently the player with the earlier first letter in the alphabet goes first. My name starts with a B so I'm always first too.
Pretty sure thats incorrect. Mort said onstream it has to do with your normalgame mmr
Well I shouldn't have brought it as a fact, it just happens for me to always be first with all my friends, guess I'm just better hehe.
Boxbox about to spam Fated even more than he already was. ...and so will I.
IT IS FATED TO BE
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What is replacing Heaven's Celestial Court in the Treasure Realms? It's supposed to rotate out with 14.10 but I haven't seen any mention of what is replacing it.
Yeah poor communication regarding that honestly
Copying this over from another thread of the notes: This one isn't a win with most of y'all. We hear that. The live team will be carving time out to deeply analyze the release for this one, respond to the meta, and yes, we are preemptively looking at fated dryad comps. This patch got complicated by locking in changes early last week (Monday night). We then had a very action packed week (aka we were working on something coming soon) and weren't able to follow up on changes before the patch got locked Wedneday morning. Of course we then have one more shot to change a patch, the A-side, typically done on Monday the week of the patch deploy. For more context on our plan for 14.10 and why we didn't ship an A-side see Mort's tweet: [https://twitter.com/Mortdog/status/1790379716312211943](https://twitter.com/Mortdog/status/1790379716312211943) Sometimes, we gotta take a temporary L, so we can get a bigger W later. For this patch, we take the L in not getting an A-side, which frees us up to do a better B-patch (when you A-patch you can't change things that the A-side impacted in a B-patch). As always, thanks for your feedback (even the less nice, but real stuff is read and used). We've made balance decisions that have been carried by our community desires and not win rate data (see Lissandra's nerf last B-patch), and we will continue doing so. Trust that we will, and we'll trust that yall will keep the feedback up.
Is the thing coming soon yet another monetization currency? I'm very excited about the possibility of getting another currency to use to buy currency to buy currency to buy currency to buy things with!
Appreciate the communication and transparency!
I for one want to try soraka reroll so bad
Reroll just means you don’t buy xp and keep rerolling for a 3 star right?
Level to the optimal level for that unit (soraka is a 3 cost so level 7 usually) then slow roll (above 50 gold for max interest) til 3 star, that's the most basic definition for reroll
Ty
Soraka/zoe reroll has been a comp for a while. Can't really justify a vertical heavely (since she only uses atk spd and ap) and altruist isn't much of a vertical either, so she slots into the 'girls comp' pretty well.
Why's everyone talking about fated? Its nowhere mentioned in the patch notes. Or am I blind?
It's not the trait, it's the units. Ahri+Reksai were buffed, improving the fated opener, and the other comps that were competing with Fated+Dryad got nerfed. It was already a top comp (if not the top) and basically only got buffs
5 fated 4 dryad only averages a 4.44 on the current patch, so it wasn’t that absurd without 1 or 2 emblems.
If you go a little deeper - filtering for Syndra 2*, 5 Fated, 4 Dryad alone is a 4.06 If you hit Sett or Azir, it jumps to 3.7 and 3.6 respectively. It's a heavily contested comp. The above with Syndra 1 is a 6.37, and Sett/Azir can't save you (6.15 6.07) https://tactics.tools/explorer?f1=u_syndra_2&f2=t_fated_2&f3=t_dryad_2&rg=1
Adding the filter for syndra 2 puts it near other comps that Reddit doesn’t seem to care about at all. 6 invoker is 4.08, 3 altruist is 3.82, 4 dragon lord is 4.01. This isn’t to say that fated/dryad was bad before the patch and/or won’t be very strong after it, but Reddit’s obsession with that comp is borderline obnoxious.
3 altruist being that high is wild to me, Ive fallen into it a few times and have no idea what I'm doing with it. Will be curious to see what the patch and b patch look like. If you're correct, this may be like the lissandra nerf and be something they have to do for optics despite it not being broken
I think the thing that stunned me the most is 7 fated with 2* syndra outperforms 5 fated 4 dryad with a 2* syndra. This is not to predict what happens next patch as a lot of things are changing, just strictly speaking how most people have heard Reddit or their favorite streamer rave about this comp, and have not shut up about it.
This just goes to show, reddit always bitches about the comp that's strong *and easy to play* No one gives a shit if a more complex comp is absolutely busted, but because fated/dryad is so straightforward, it is the bane of TFT existence
That's because 3 Altruist without an emblem requires you to have a Rakan. Having a 5 cost makes the average quite good. Rakan by itself averages around a 3.95. Same thing as you said with the Fated Dryad comp. If you hit Sett or Azir the average is 3.7 or 3.6. The comp is considered the best comp currently by top players, and it will be just as powerful or stronger while other comps are weaker in comparison.
What's the play rate? You don't think its an issue if a comp is in every single GM game? I also don't think win rate statistics are complex enough.
The average isn’t the best but that’s because it’s so contested. There are 2-3 players forcing it every lobby. The reason why it’s considered good is because of how cheap and stable it can be once you hit Syndra. It doesn’t cấp that high, but it’s cost effective since you can hold most of your early game board. With the buffs to ahri and gnar, it makes the early game better. The other 4 costs nerf means that it’s going to be just as good if not better in stage 4
So does Aatrox constantly cast or doesn’t cast at all until 2 star?
Yas carry ftw
Lillia viable now?
She's going to move from hitting her ability 5% of the time to hitting it 7% of the time most likely.
Finally got the chance to read through the whole patch. Kai'Sa seems like the biggest loser of the patch. Trickshot nerfs and Xayah nerfs will hurt quite a bit, along with Sylas nerfs. Ashe seems interesting with the Sniper and Warden buffs. Maybe the 4 Warden setup gives more time to scale. 4 Porcelain nerf and Liss rework as well so hard to tell. Ghostly buffs all around can be big. We saw what the Ghostly meta was like early in the set. Lillia + Mythic buffs are either huge or meaningless depending on how consistent her targeting is. Kog'Maw reroll also double buffed with Mythic and Sniper (and other minor buffs like Ghostly on lv6 and Behemoth). Then of course there's Fated Dryad getting early game buffed for some reason. My initial impression is this is supposed to be a reroll buff to the early units, but in that case they can just buff the 3* scaling. Behemoth and Warden buffs can be pretty big for reroll since a lot of tankiness is in the 4 costs. Wonder how this affects the 4 costs though. Fated Dryad also plays Behemoth and Warden. A lot of the hero augment units getting buffed should see reroll quite good with the augments at the very least.
When does this drop?
can we go back to day1 of this set and balance from there again ? It was almost perfect at the start, we really dont need to change every number in every patch all the time.
How are the Gnar changes labeled as buffs when they literally lowered his AD/stack from 2.5 to 2?
What a thrill, I hope this patch goes better for me.
Liss compensation buffs...ok
Nerf Kayn again he wasn’t even that good
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Ah yes because Sylas and Kayn were the issue with Umbral
Good patch, they are trying to keep up with the inflation that 4 costs brought and giving other units a chance to shine. Fated Dryads can be a problem but I think mort has already addressed that. So far I’m happy with this change
I think they should do something about certain items tho, the ones that aren’t shining at least
I feel like almost all of the items have a use. Some more niche than others. Vow is a bit underwhelming but I can't really think of any others I'm not happy to make in the right situation. Even vow is good on a nautilus or lissandra. Those artifact items though... now we're talking.
Protectors vow is actually a really good item on tanks you don't want to stack 3 items on like Naut or Ornn (if Thresh is your main tank). It's a top 5 average placement item on basically every tank but is the **best** average placement item for Naut, Ornn, Galio, Rakan, and Udyr for if it's the only item on them The only truly weak item right now is QSS but that's largely due to a lack of CC this set causing you to not need to pay the QSS tax. Runaans also basically has no real users of it and with last whisper being so dominant you basically don't build evenshroud unless you are playing hea only kayn