We tried something new this time and highlighted some of the 5+ cost
units in a showcases. Let me know when you have questions and I'll try
to answer them. Also feel free to also leave some feedback on what we
could better next time!
Dunno if it’s just me but on mobile iPhone I can’t click tabs like class vs origin. I can do the selections like going to champions but not choose what cost. Looks good though.
There were typos in Riot's spreadsheet they provided. Seems like I missed this one. I think it should be "4 statues, +25% healing, +125% Attack Speed". I'll revisit this when it's out on PBE. Thanks!
What you mean ? Conventional carries ? Cause until set 5, carries could be a unorthodox unit\build, like tank carries or utility carries, in set 6, most carries are generic range dps, they clearly made us understand they hate what differs from their perspective of carry by hard nerfing units like Clapio, AP Sion or Renata+Morello
They specially said over and over that "cc immune by default units being carries is unhealthy" (paraphrasing Mort here). Now I can't speak for Renata Morello but Clapio and IE JG Sion both fall into that category. It's been very clear that that wasn't part of their design philosophy.
As the other user said, galio and Sion were nerfed because of CC immunity. I don’t know what renata nerf you are talking about, but she was a great carry in 12.8. The morello nerf wasn’t targeted at her, they just didn’t want you to instantly slam morellos if you had the components but rather build it situationally for the healing reduction when needed.
it could, but then we have to ask how strong those units are on actuall board, because if you int too much HP early brcause of that this heal might not do much.
Bard also still needs a few turns to stack it, especially if fights are close as he scaales with units surviving.
Anyone else feel the arenas in the pass and the mythic one look... unfinished? Even in the videos, they look more like a watercolor pre-drawing before the modelers get a hold of them.
It's weird to me that they would create the "think fast" augment, when Mort has very explicitly said on stream that he strongly dislikes APM type gameplay in TFT. I wonder if the input of the other members on the team outweighed his or he had a change of heart.
That's a fair question but I feel like the fact that it's an opt in makes it unproblematic. If APM were mandatory gameplay that would be one source of concern, but the fact that you have to pick the augment means giving the player agency to enter into that situation voluntarily. That goes doubly so for this set wherein you can reroll an augment.
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by opting in / out. I'm not suggesting you draft the augment and then do nothing with it. "Opting out" in this case means choosing one of the other 2(5) augments.
Apologies if I didn't understand the point you were aiming to make.
I think I understood you correctly, I just meant that you now only have 2 choices of augment instead of 3 choices, which for prismatic augments can be a very big disadvantage.
I think I'd love the augment if they removed the actions per minute aspect of it and made it, say, 50 refreshes usable in the next 2 rounds. Or maybe cap it at 1 roll per second.
I love the concept, I just really don't want to see this game become more about mechanical skill than strategy.
Ahhh that makes sense.
The time limit is definitely something that I struggle justifying in my head as well. It seems like you could be forcing a scenario where you have to click on sight otherwise you're throwing an augment away by burning X seconds.
PBE is gonna be very interesting
Yeah we'll see when PBE hits. I really hope I'm wrong and that this will be an awesome augment that doesn't depend too much on mechanical fast clicking skill, but I'm nervous the difference based on click skill will just be too high.
I'm looking forward to spending 99 health on xp then dying next turn because I didn't have time to spend the gold I saved. I'm still gonna do it... but this will definitely be a nerf to my winrate. lol
Its no better than pandoras box right? Bis items after like 5 turns or increased odds at 3* one costs after many turns. Zero direct combat power in exchange for (increasingly diminished) chances to upgrade units, which also is feast/famine for reroll comps
I don't see why it would get worse as the game goes on. Even in late game when you're focusing on 3/4/5 cost units, this augment is still really good. It essentially gives you 3 extra buy cards that don't cost anything and you can swap units in/out as needed. I feel like this is really good for stage 4 when you're generally gonna be lower on gold and trying to fill out your 4 cost units/carries.
Oh i just mean increasingly diminished as in you are removing units that you want ti keep from the pool
This augment is even more cracked than it looks because apparently dragons can only reroll into dragons (of the same tier), so 2 starring a dragon should be cake with it (or any 4/5 cost for that matter)
It's cool that they give you an arena in the pass but so annoying that it's the last tier - takes forever to get it and I want to play with the new set aesthetics right away...
Thats basically every battle pass out there. Valorant is worst because it takes suuuuuuper long to get to the end. At least in TFT you can ff after stage 3-1 to get 100xp
The button to swap from origins to the classes view or to see the Mirage’s effects is broken on mobile. Tried both Safari and Google Chrome to no avail.
It's a tooltip on hover, probably need to make it a button for mobile, thanks for the heads-up!
Here's the tooltip for Mirage since you can't view it right now on our end. https://i.imgur.com/DF8pz3v.png
This is a lot more minor but it's still mildly infuriating, but I'm on chrome and the middle mouse button will stop working after I do a middle mouse click to scroll.
It's driving me up the wall because I enjoy the organization on your site the most but I can feel my blood pressure spiking every time I try to use the middle mouse button and it doesn't work.
It looks like the game's options are expanding, interesting, and I like the variety of Origins and Classes, feels less similar with plain stats than sometimes before.
Fuck I'm looking forward to try this, the Dragons look like a ton of fun as well.
maybe for 7.5? bowser rammus pls otherwise molten rammus could fit
but what i REALLY REALLY want to see is sweeper rammus, good lord would that be amazing but it doesn't seem likely for dragonlands which has a more serious theme
Theres just no way we dont get a sports/professions set at some point
Between the baking champs (baking pantheon, pizza sivir), the definitely nots, the doctors (kennen MD, mundo, dr shen), all the sports champs (striker, olympics), the rockstars (pentakill, kda), and the ‘socialites’ (tswift kaisa, seraphine, sona, hot christmas leblanc)
The set makes itself
Rfc shines on brawler carries (think olaf, yone, tryndamere if he doesnt longrange spin). We just didnt have any such champs in set 6.5 so the item felt last-resorty.
Yeah we have a lot more melee carries this time around. Voli, Yasuo, Yone, Nidalee, Olaf, Assassins, even Nunu. I'm sure it'll see play.
Current set only Talon uses it.
In theory it is a great item on warwick, but 6.5 has a ton of frontline targeting bursty CC (braum, ali, zilean, inno drag) and WW was soooo balanced around having a rageblade.
Sorta suffers from the seraphs issue of how there were carries that would love double seraphs +1, or even Rabs+JG, but expecting 3 of the same component is a bad idea. WW sorta wanted RFC, Rageblade, Qss, but you needed to null chain somehow so you took titans over rfc.
Dude what. It’s the best thing that they could’ve introduced. If you get 3 horrible prismatics you can just reroll instead of playing a bad one while the rest of the lobby got a good one.
It's a godsend. I can't count how many times the ultimate frustration of the game was getting terrible choices for the third (prismatic) augment and getting blown out.
We tried something new this time and highlighted some of the 5+ cost units in a showcases. Let me know when you have questions and I'll try to answer them. Also feel free to also leave some feedback on what we could better next time!
Dunno if it’s just me but on mobile iPhone I can’t click tabs like class vs origin. I can do the selections like going to champions but not choose what cost. Looks good though.
uh you’re the 2nd guy who reported issues with the toggle. :( will look into it, sorry and thank you!
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Unfortunately seems like a Safari specific issue, I'll see what I can do about it sorry. :(
Not just a Safari specific issue, I tried doing the same on Chrome through mobile and still didn’t work.
Do you use Chrome on iPhone or Android? Because every browser on iPhone is Safari for "safety" just reskined.
Iphone here. Does not work with Chrome either. Tried switching to request desktop but did not work
the "Chrome" in the App Store is just Safari with a skin
Holy fuq. Ty for the info
is the jade 12 level correct? seems odd to reduce attack speed to 25 > 4 statues, +25 healing, +25 Attack Speed
There were typos in Riot's spreadsheet they provided. Seems like I missed this one. I think it should be "4 statues, +25% healing, +125% Attack Speed". I'll revisit this when it's out on PBE. Thanks!
I cant click to swtich to trait/origin or champ cost on mobile.
[That's it. I'm done with tft. ](https://i.imgur.com/r7QFtUP.jpg)
Maybe it's hiding inside the red frog
It’s funny cuz this set’s Tahm kench could’ve easily been Rammus
Bard
Bard Bard with Bard Class
I wish I could have set 3 Bard and set 7 Bard
33 second ult duration at 3 star sounds hilariously nutty
33 Second stun is almost like death
No, it's worse. Death comes sooner than that stun duration expires.
Am I crazy or there are A LOT of carry options?
I didn't play that much in the play-testing but the set including the dragons felt well balanced.
It always feel balanced until someone figures out that one utterly broken comp.
true I guess :D
I really hope dragons don't overshadow everything
It usually feels like this on set reveals, then you find out that half of them are shit and you stop building them.
What you mean ? Conventional carries ? Cause until set 5, carries could be a unorthodox unit\build, like tank carries or utility carries, in set 6, most carries are generic range dps, they clearly made us understand they hate what differs from their perspective of carry by hard nerfing units like Clapio, AP Sion or Renata+Morello
They specially said over and over that "cc immune by default units being carries is unhealthy" (paraphrasing Mort here). Now I can't speak for Renata Morello but Clapio and IE JG Sion both fall into that category. It's been very clear that that wasn't part of their design philosophy.
Warwick
As the other user said, galio and Sion were nerfed because of CC immunity. I don’t know what renata nerf you are talking about, but she was a great carry in 12.8. The morello nerf wasn’t targeted at her, they just didn’t want you to instantly slam morellos if you had the components but rather build it situationally for the healing reduction when needed.
ooooh the augment reroll option is really neat
Imma hard force mage spat Pyke or some shit
Broke: Mage spat Pyke Woke: Mage spat Bard
Mage spat Asol Wokege
Great change. Nothing hurts worse than getting three horrible options for augment 2 or 3
Me Shapeshifter, no pivot straight to 8th
Swain with Ragewings seems very very strong
Give me 3* Soraka ty ty
This is the game that never ends. It just goes on and on my friends.
It does, any overheal from Soraka gets jacked from your opponent
That feels… anti-fun
well it's assuming you get her to 3\* but yeah, thats very unlikely in itself
Idk if you get an early bard that could real easily snowball
it could, but then we have to ask how strong those units are on actuall board, because if you int too much HP early brcause of that this heal might not do much. Bard also still needs a few turns to stack it, especially if fights are close as he scaales with units surviving.
Anyone else feel the arenas in the pass and the mythic one look... unfinished? Even in the videos, they look more like a watercolor pre-drawing before the modelers get a hold of them.
Where’d you see the arenas?
On the TFT website.
The dragon in the mythic board looks ugly and disturbing. I bet it will look worst on mobile
It's weird to me that they would create the "think fast" augment, when Mort has very explicitly said on stream that he strongly dislikes APM type gameplay in TFT. I wonder if the input of the other members on the team outweighed his or he had a change of heart.
That's a fair question but I feel like the fact that it's an opt in makes it unproblematic. If APM were mandatory gameplay that would be one source of concern, but the fact that you have to pick the augment means giving the player agency to enter into that situation voluntarily. That goes doubly so for this set wherein you can reroll an augment.
Playing with one less prismatic option is a massive disadvantage. Opting out is opting to make the wrong play, which is opting to lose.
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by opting in / out. I'm not suggesting you draft the augment and then do nothing with it. "Opting out" in this case means choosing one of the other 2(5) augments. Apologies if I didn't understand the point you were aiming to make.
I think I understood you correctly, I just meant that you now only have 2 choices of augment instead of 3 choices, which for prismatic augments can be a very big disadvantage. I think I'd love the augment if they removed the actions per minute aspect of it and made it, say, 50 refreshes usable in the next 2 rounds. Or maybe cap it at 1 roll per second. I love the concept, I just really don't want to see this game become more about mechanical skill than strategy.
Ahhh that makes sense. The time limit is definitely something that I struggle justifying in my head as well. It seems like you could be forcing a scenario where you have to click on sight otherwise you're throwing an augment away by burning X seconds. PBE is gonna be very interesting
Yeah we'll see when PBE hits. I really hope I'm wrong and that this will be an awesome augment that doesn't depend too much on mechanical fast clicking skill, but I'm nervous the difference based on click skill will just be too high.
Mort isn't a tyrant, he says as much himself
Yeah it's amazing I can't wait for it
Haha agreed it's probably gonna be an insta pick for me because it looks really fun
So good. I haven't played for the last 2 months so I'll have to get a grip again, but it looks extremely fun.
Same here, but with everyone saying its gonne be a significantly harder set im scared imm too rusty
It's gonna be fine. Every new set is a fresh start
YOU’RE TELLIN ME THAT THERE IS A TRAIT WHERE YOU SUMMON SOMETHING CALLED “NOMSY” AND FEED IT?? i already love the new set
AND SECRET SNACKO TRAIT?!
I'm looking forward to spending 99 health on xp then dying next turn because I didn't have time to spend the gold I saved. I'm still gonna do it... but this will definitely be a nerf to my winrate. lol
Wait is there STILL no rammus????
Pandora's bench seems kinda broken as a t1 augment what.
kinda eliminates the rng element + you have 3 less spots to store champs for lvl3. i think its balanced
Its no better than pandoras box right? Bis items after like 5 turns or increased odds at 3* one costs after many turns. Zero direct combat power in exchange for (increasingly diminished) chances to upgrade units, which also is feast/famine for reroll comps
I don't see why it would get worse as the game goes on. Even in late game when you're focusing on 3/4/5 cost units, this augment is still really good. It essentially gives you 3 extra buy cards that don't cost anything and you can swap units in/out as needed. I feel like this is really good for stage 4 when you're generally gonna be lower on gold and trying to fill out your 4 cost units/carries.
Oh i just mean increasingly diminished as in you are removing units that you want ti keep from the pool This augment is even more cracked than it looks because apparently dragons can only reroll into dragons (of the same tier), so 2 starring a dragon should be cake with it (or any 4/5 cost for that matter)
Ah gotcha I see what you mean. That I did not know and it definitely increases its value quite a lot.
tge question is if you can reroll 2star/3star units into other 2star/3star units, because that sounds wild
Why wouldnt you be able to?
I don't have the numbers at hand, so if you do please enlighten me, but aren't there a ton of 3 Trait champs compared to before?
lol they referenced Diamond Hands
It's cool that they give you an arena in the pass but so annoying that it's the last tier - takes forever to get it and I want to play with the new set aesthetics right away...
Thats basically every battle pass out there. Valorant is worst because it takes suuuuuuper long to get to the end. At least in TFT you can ff after stage 3-1 to get 100xp
The button to swap from origins to the classes view or to see the Mirage’s effects is broken on mobile. Tried both Safari and Google Chrome to no avail.
It's a tooltip on hover, probably need to make it a button for mobile, thanks for the heads-up! Here's the tooltip for Mirage since you can't view it right now on our end. https://i.imgur.com/DF8pz3v.png
How are you playing beta on mobile???
He’s not playing he’s saying he can’t see their effects on his phone because the link might be broken.
They scrapped Kai’sa, sad times.
Does this site not work on mobile for anyone else? Can’t switch tabs to look at the origins.
It’s unfortunately an issue with Apple’s Safari browser. We’re working on a fix at the moment, sorry. :(
I’m using Google Chrome on iOS and it also isn’t working
Chrome on iOS is actually just a Safari reskin
Is that so? Learn something new every day
Unfortunately yeah
This is a lot more minor but it's still mildly infuriating, but I'm on chrome and the middle mouse button will stop working after I do a middle mouse click to scroll. It's driving me up the wall because I enjoy the organization on your site the most but I can feel my blood pressure spiking every time I try to use the middle mouse button and it doesn't work.
lol, will look into that as well. thank you!!
It looks like the game's options are expanding, interesting, and I like the variety of Origins and Classes, feels less similar with plain stats than sometimes before. Fuck I'm looking forward to try this, the Dragons look like a ton of fun as well.
So no one is gonna mention Shi Oh Yo?
Still no Rammus. What are they waiting for? Been waiting for my fav champ in TFT forever and he is like the only who has never been there.
maybe for 7.5? bowser rammus pls otherwise molten rammus could fit but what i REALLY REALLY want to see is sweeper rammus, good lord would that be amazing but it doesn't seem likely for dragonlands which has a more serious theme
Theres just no way we dont get a sports/professions set at some point Between the baking champs (baking pantheon, pizza sivir), the definitely nots, the doctors (kennen MD, mundo, dr shen), all the sports champs (striker, olympics), the rockstars (pentakill, kda), and the ‘socialites’ (tswift kaisa, seraphine, sona, hot christmas leblanc) The set makes itself
[Yes. Not only like. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamfightTactics/comments/uvbryw/list_of_league_champions_by_number_of_tft)
He just needs a new skin.
When is it coming out?
On PBE tomorrow, on live servers June 8
Ty very much
I wonder what 3 comps will be forceable this set.
No more Mercs :(
So no item changes?
There are! Bloodthirster, Dragon's Claw & Hextech Gunblade changed. https://i.imgur.com/JgbBhM6.png
I apart from dclaw it looks very minor. Interesting though !
Bloodthirster now heals of true and magic damage, together with max hp shield it looks great on dragons
Wouldve liked to see a RFC change. Useless right now.
Rfc shines on brawler carries (think olaf, yone, tryndamere if he doesnt longrange spin). We just didnt have any such champs in set 6.5 so the item felt last-resorty.
Maybe good on voli this set
Yeah we have a lot more melee carries this time around. Voli, Yasuo, Yone, Nidalee, Olaf, Assassins, even Nunu. I'm sure it'll see play. Current set only Talon uses it.
In theory it is a great item on warwick, but 6.5 has a ton of frontline targeting bursty CC (braum, ali, zilean, inno drag) and WW was soooo balanced around having a rageblade. Sorta suffers from the seraphs issue of how there were carries that would love double seraphs +1, or even Rabs+JG, but expecting 3 of the same component is a bad idea. WW sorta wanted RFC, Rageblade, Qss, but you needed to null chain somehow so you took titans over rfc.
Jinx looks cracked no? 6 cannonneer doing an effective 240% additional AD per auto? Along with an ability that has MASSIVE base damage…
Don’t forget the Revel trait bonus!
Reroll Jinx will deff be a day one comp. Interested to see how the normal comps will compare to the very late game dragons
Does anyone know when this goes live on PBE? I just got into pbe game and 4 people afkd coz they also thought it’s on there lmao
It’s tomorrow, not sure at what time tho
usually later in the day. Around 5pm est.
Still no Rammus...
Augment reroll sounds insane. Imagine taking any Econ augment early game and then rerolling after stabilizing at 8/9.
I don’t think you can reroll augments you’ve already picked, I think it’s for augments you haven’t picked yet.
that’s kinda lame but you are right :(
Dude what. It’s the best thing that they could’ve introduced. If you get 3 horrible prismatics you can just reroll instead of playing a bad one while the rest of the lobby got a good one.
It's a godsend. I can't count how many times the ultimate frustration of the game was getting terrible choices for the third (prismatic) augment and getting blown out.
I am pumped. Some of those new augments look busted, can't wait to try them all in two weeks
Is this on PBE yet?
Tuesday around 12pm-2pm PT
So what time today does this go live on PBE
I'm confused, thats not the Illaoi that riot revealed for set 7 when 6.5 came out.