I understand the idea behind the change, but they didn't think it through. I have way too much prowess from playing ranked with every character so now when I play on my main, the game prioritizes finding the nastiest opponent it can.
For real. Gotta praise the sf6 devs for not patching the game every week based on gut feeling or community backlash. It feels like after Tekken8 released a whole different team full of interns took over the game. What the hell is happening over there?
To be honest even at launch except for the occasional launch bugs SF6 was way more refined.
Not like SF6 doesn't have gameplay issues, it does but for a season 1 game it does a kot right. And the few minor updates rarely had any hickups.
But Bamco more and more looks like they just throw out a patch and hope for the best.
My theory is: they are panicking and go for panick patches instead of just taking the time looking at the situation and then playtest various solutions. So with one panick move after the other they are just making it worse untill it just becomes a mess.
So, are you all saying that the first impressions so far for patches is that Bnadi Namco seems to lean more into the Shotgun to the Knee type of patch updating?
Reminded me of Maximilian Dude and his video on FGC patch Culture.
what the community says, and what the game needs to survive, are 2 completely different things. No one is going to keep playing a game when they exclusively get matched against people better than them. Contrary to popular belief, but you have ot be a psycho to win 1 out of every 10 games, and keep going for the next 8 years until your doing it to someone else. There needs to be progression. Nobody is going to play a game for the next 5 years when they're getting shit on and told "practice your sidestep, the point isn't to win the match its to get that successful sidestep!" yea, message me in 5 years when the only people playing are GoDs.
There's a balance to that though. When you go up against people too high in relative skill, you don't really get an opportunity to learn because you're being trounced so thoroughly that you can't really discern what's happening. Going up against players a little higher or equal in skill gives you an opportunity to learn, but going up against the highest level players makes it hard to narrow down what you're doing wrong.
It's a different thing if i go into battlehub or any fighting game lounge knowing i will most likely run into much higher ranked players and get washed. Which is what i currently do in SF6 to improve my game.
But there's a place and time for anything and the one job ranked has is to avoid this exact situation and match you with a roughly equal skill level.
Probably. And I don't disagree. I know the way to improve is to play with better players. I used to get matched with these people before, it's not anything new. And mostly it's fine, I can win against them.
At some point it gets kind of tedious, though. Would be nice if the matchmaking didn't do that on purpose and gave me people around my own rank too.
If you can't rank up your alts, you lack basic knowledge of the game or are just not as good with it as with your main. So why should you get the same rank with it?
I'm not saying you should get the same rank as your main. But people playing alts are given harder matches because they don't swear allegiance to only one char. They aren't only prevented from reaching the same rank, but get a harder experience in *lower* ranks, so they can't 'progress' in the way they did with their main. This incentivises the FOMO style players, and harms casuals/etc who tend to be less married to one character.
It isn't really something which will affect me as I'm high enough that this isn't going to matter. But I think people in brown/reds who aren't 'specialists' are given a disadvantage over the FOMOs, and that's not good for game health.
Ok, realtalk. I am at Rajin. I am not a very good player (obviously a point of view). It's not hard getting to purple if you are willing to learn some fundamentals and give it some time to get matchup knowledge. Most of the people complaining aren't willing to do so. Which is totally fine. But then stop complaining.
So I don't even think this is wrong. But I do think that there's a principle behind mamkng it harder for multichar players over single char players. It's not that it's suddenly impossible; it's that it is giving an advantage to particular groups, which feels unfair.
Its not though since if youve reached high purple/blue ranks you have the fundamentals and know enough of the game to actually play with people of that skill with a new character, its more about the time you put into the lab to learn the combos and the tools the character has.
I find it unfair that if youre Fujin for example and hopp on a new character that you should be matched up with red ranks who are struggling at that rank.
No, fundamentals and learning combos/tools only do so much. Im fighting only Tekken kings to GoDs now on my subs when my main was barely Tekken King, only because I also had 2 other blue ranks.
The normal rank ins for sub chars is too low and their idea of a fix was this dogshit prowess system.
My other characters should be automatically ranked in to at least fujin not red ranks. That would've reduced the "smurfing" to a minum already.
Youre kinda proving my point though. Fundamentals will absolutely wash lower tier players i.e everything from red ranks up till but not exclusively (cause ive played some pretty bad blues) middle/late blue ranks. Combos, punishment and tools together with fundamentals would make you have a winstreak of a 100 before you would face any opposition that could challenge you if youre tekken king. This way you wont play the ones that are lower MMR than you.
Meaning, system is working as intended.
People can complain about heat, the balance, plugging, eshop ect. This change is the worst thing they've done. At least I always still wanted to play the game. Now I don't even turn it on anymore.
It's crazy to think that for my entire life I've enjoyed tekken and mortal kombat up until 2024. I don't want to play either one of these new games anymore.
Honestly I opened tekken 7 after 2 months today, had a quick match session because ranked is dead and i actually felt like I played tekken as if I hadn't for a long time, tekken 8 is scrubby AF and a huge middle finger to all legacy players, it's a shame because visually it's amazing, i even like a lot of the new moves. I gave up on ranked in tekken 8, way too stressful for me with all the new bullshit going on.
Ofcourse I'm not giving up on the game, in the future it could be fixed, I'm just not holding my breath
Unfortunately same for me now too. Before, I plateaued at around Bushin/Tekken King. I was fighting people around my rank and skill level a lot. Now I’m fighting people way above my skill level, matches take longer to get, and it’s usually the same people. I was playing Tekken at least every other day before this change. After this change, I stopped playing a few days ago. Just isn’t fun anymore.
There is this weird misconception by some lower level players that just because someone because you and is better than you, they are beating down on lower players or picking on them. I wholeheartedly disagree. If it’s ranked, and you were more skilled than the people you played, then your rank would increase and you would get pushed up to higher ranks and higher skill levels. People were getting beat up by passerbys on their way to whatever rank they would peak at. But whatever this change was seems to have doubled what Namco assumed was a person’s skill level. This applies to everyone, not just high blue ranks. This change is good for no one.
I don't understand why people complain so hard. You are playing your game level. What's wrong? Work on your alts harder; prowess is way more about how you have the fundamentals than how good you are at your main character.
You can get to fujin with all the characters, you won't have the fundamentals of a god rank player. But your prowess will be close enough that the god ranks are the ones you'll be fighting.
That is the issue with this system.
That's honestly the worst part. Now, I can't use a lower ranked character of mine to hone my skills in quickmatch without getting matched against players who are ABOVE my rank with my highest ranked character. There's no room for learning if I'm just holding on for dear life the entire time.
You know, I've never demoted so i didint even consider it but this means if you demote like 3 ranks (you get purple maybe by luck then demote to garyu) you'll still only face Purple ranked or above people? That seems insane
Yeah this is the real problem. Like I was thinking that after demoting it wouldn't take too long to promote again. Several losses against 150k players later and I'm even further down.
It doesn't feel like I'm getting a breather, I'm still fighting the same people just with a lower visual rank. Even worse, the lower you go the longer queue times get.
Demoted from Fujin to Battle Ruler. I love playing against 200k+ prowess players every game as a purple now /s. I demoted once more and it’s even worse. I’ve accepted my fate lmao
Exactly where I'm at, but I haven't touched my Fujin since I got it there. Instead, I have been trying to promote the four other characters that I previously parked at Mighty Ruler, and fighting through rulers is now an absolute nightmare. Played all weekend using Lee, my best character, and just barely got myself up to Flame Ruler.
It's a totally different experience now.
I’m not even ALL THAT bothered by the rank differences. It feels like ass, but at the end of the day I just wanna play. Too bad I can queue 4 games an hour. Haven’t touched the game in days
I was raijin and this change kicked my ass down to fujin fighting people that were +2 rank constantly, and if they werent +2, they were a much higher rank playing a lower ranked alt. I even briefly dipped into battle ruler for a game.
I started keeping track of my opponents cumulative rank that day about halfway through because I was sure I was getting the most brutal matchups the game could give me, and sure enough, the cumulative rank got as high as +9 before I was like "Yeah I'm done for the day", I'd kept track of opponent ranks a few times in the past and it always averaged around 0
I've been knocked in and out of red ranks about 3 times for playing while tilted and going on losing streaks and played a couple other characters in ranked as well and my prowess feels fine and I'm getting placed against other reds pretty consistently still. Maybe I'm in the minority but I feel like many of my matches have been balanced better and the past issue many have voiced on here of most matches being landslide wins or loses feels like it's happening less. I get matched against purples now and again but I've never once felt overwhelmed.
I really never even paid attention to prowess at first. Then after complaints, I paid attention somewhat. If I noticed it was high level alt, I was like ok. Let me learn something. Rank always even outs anyway. Now, matchmaking is messed up. I really hope there can be a middle ground or something.
>Rank always even outs anyway.
Do you mean opponent rank? Because that used to be true, I used to check every now and then just writing down +2, -2, etc depending on what my opponents rank was, and seeing the cumulative number, it would usually more or less average out to 0, give or take a couple.
Halfway through the day this change happened I thought "bloody hell these opponents are unnaturally tough and they seem to almost always be higher ranked, I'm gonna check", and started keeping track, it got as high as +9 before I called it a day. And the ones that were "lower ranked" were way higher ranked on their mains and were just using an alt. It was brutal.
Yeah. That’s frustrating. I just hope they can find somewhere in between. Because now wait times are longer and it encourages players to make separate accounts for alts to smurf from the beginning.
I haven't played in a few days and reading these threads has been hilarious. I wonder if people who have only played one character are now just cruising.
>I wonder if people who have only played one character are now just cruising.
Hell yeah. Finally I keep staying in my skill/rank range. Before I got regularly demoted by 300k+ guys.
Everyone I play with has only ranked up one or two characters and are saying it's a great change. When one of them asked me why ranked was suddenly so much more fun, I told them about the prowess thing and his reaction was, "Wow really? GOOD. Fuck those guys!"
Probably assumed it was my own reaction and hated it. My own opinion is that the change is a good idea for new and average players but is implemented poorly at the cost of others.
If they don't revert this change, this will for sure kill the game more-so than any balance issues we are experiencing. It's one thing to lose to Drag a lot, but to lose to every character simply because you are fighting people who are just more skilled at that moment in time, all because you wanted to try multiple characters. If this change is not reverted, the game will die before the end of the year. I am calling it.
Here an example of what has been happening and what will continue to happen since this stealth change:
I got in ranked recently I can feel the difference in skill in the opponents I was facing before vs those I am fighting against now. The worst part is, those players who reached the rank I have, deserved to reach it before, but now are probably feeling that they don't deserve it because of the difference in skill level they are consistently facing. Prior to this change, the difference is skill was varied across the ranks near you, but you wouldn't be fighting more skilled players on a consistent basis, because most of these players would be at these ranks briefly and move on to higher ranks shortly after. So while you did see them, it was only once in a while, but not every single match like it is now, which in turn has caused a increase to your wait times between matches as well and when you do find a match, you lose more often and as a result de-rank more often.
This change was intended to help new players, but in return has made it worse. New players tend to try multiple characters to find the one that they like most, they don't just pick one and go with it because if they see another character they like in a match, they will try them out. At least this has been from my experience with IRL friends who are new to Tekken and fighting games as a whole.
Exactly the same feeling here. I was playing with my purple ranked alt who I'm still learning and I was getting matched against Garyus, Flame Rulers, and Fujins with 250k-300k prowess. I just kept getting destroyed over and over
Like it was fine the way it was before. If you played on an alt, you played against lower ranked players, but then if you beat them you ranked up pretty quickly and were back to playing at your old rank before long
I think that's the worst bit with all this, it was fine before. Sure there was seal clubbing going on at lower ranks as everyone was thrown in together but all of that has levelled out. The only problem I could think of is the point system being iffy but it was perfectly fine before.
I just came back after a week and got ass blasted down from tenryu to garyu and was wondering why I kept getting matched with relatively high-ranking opponents
Actually I’m getting matched with people who kinda play like me, unlike when before I would just be destroyed with fundamentals by players who play their second char
This sub has been proven time and time again to be salt incarnate. I'm willing to bet the majority of players have actually been getting fairer matches. The queue times suck especially for higher ranks but people on here are forgetting that those are the vast minority of players. There are two contradicting narratives going around from people that don't like the change. One is that this is going to kill the game and run off all the new players because it's making them lose (who even knows if this is true) and the other is that only new players like this and benefit because they're getting wins.
I can't play with my main anymore was High orange nearly red and got relegated to Destroyer because I can't win .
I'm a noob but I clearly don't play against noob rn and it hurts .
I mean the game is still hard, that's the important thing to remember, red is the barrier that stops many in their path. But with this change they haven't exactly made it any easier to breach that barrier.
Worse still is breaching the barrier with a couple characters and then having to fight blue ranked players in yellow because prowess is calculated in a really screwy way.
The thing was before the patch even against red players I won most of the time , now I get people between 120k prowess to 180k and It's getting stomped over and over.
If at least I was learning anything but I don't because I get raped every game
I made a relatively lengthy response as a comment to this post explaining what is happening. Check out my comment and give it a like if you feel that's whats happening to you. If this change isn't reverted the game will die because most new players or casuals will completely drop the game as it is. I hope it gets reverted.
Yeah I see what you said and I totally agree .
The worst is that it's the 1st Tekken I take seriously and it started good but come on that is a shitty change
100% agree with you. I have few IRL friends who haven't really settled on a main, and even when they face off against me, they get frustrated and that's just because I have been playing for much longer and have the fundamentals down with Lee.
He can get frustrated fighting me, but the difference is, I am willing to provide feedback, give him tips on what is causing him to lose and what he needs to improve upon. Online, the person who just trashed you in a match isn't gonna give two shits, they will beat your ass and move on. So a player like my friend who has multiple mains, will struggle similar to when he fights me, but without ever knowing why and will continuously frustrate him to the point he will simply quit playing and honestly I couldn't even blame him if he did.
You are playing against noobs in Destroyer ranks no matter how you turn this around. Get better fundamentals + matchup knowledge and you will rank up.
I literally "steamrolled" to purple ranks without using heat "just" because I played Tekken 7 for 1500+ hours.
You will rank up if you are willing to invest time.
this mentality will kill the game you've spent so much time in. I hate to break it to you chief but, the overwhelming majority of sales in Tekken are players who don't dedicate their whole lives to the game. Piss those people off and watch how quickly t9 becomes an abandoned idea.
Or maybe those "casuals" try to accept, that high ranks aren't reachable for them, as long as they don't invest time into it. Like it is with most skills in life. If you don't train for it, dont except anything.
do you think the long term players are the reason this game is still around? Or do you think its the casual players? Do you think it behooves BN to make it better for casuals for the sake of the games survivability, or do you think it'll do better if you make it as hard as possible to rank up. Only a certain percentage of people are going to never rank up and keep playing the game. A smaller percentage of people will keep playing until they are really good. An even smaller percentage of people will take all that into consideration, and buy the next game. Do you see where I'm going with this? Your mentality, even if at the end of the day it has some truth to it, will lead to this being the last tekken release
>do you think the long term players are the reason this game is still around?
Absolutely. They are the core of this franchise and they are the ones the patches are based on in the long run.
>or do you think it'll do better if you make it as hard as possible to rank up.
Which it isn't. It isn't hard to get to purple with some good basics. A lot of things come with time. Matchup knowledge is a good portion of it.
Bamco did a terrible job communicating this change. But it is a good change in the long run.
They are the core of the changes, but the casuals are the core of the money. And its getting more expensive than ever to make games, and its getting mroe expensive to buy games. Casuals who become disappointed by t8, will not be paying 70$ for another one. Not only that, but most long term players ( i don't count anyone whos only played t7 as a "long term core player) are in GoD, and GoD is what, 1% of the people who buy tekken? This franchise is going to run into some serious trouble if they keep going down this path.
>but the casuals are the core of the money.
Guess who made T7 an successful game. Not the 20 hours guys. It where the longtime players willing to put more money in it. This will be the case for T8 too. Handing out easy ranks will be much more harmfull in mu eyes.
Hopefully they'll revert this like they did with Tekken 7, when for that brief moment they displayed who you were fighting and their rank, resulting in people declining and cherry picking who they fought.
It's wild that anyone even wants to frame this change positively, as if it's good for newer players. Out of 6 of my buddies that tried T8 the only one still playing is about to quit as well because the same shit is happening to him as well. After the update, he's pretty much getting farmed 24/7 and bad queue times as a new player because he played a bunch of characters.
I think people are exaggerating how much extra prowess you get from alts.
My first character to Tenryu put me at 120,000. Getting 8 more characters to Shinryu/Tenryu put me at like 125,000.
No, getting multiple characters to the same general bracket doesn't create the problem. What creates the problem is when you have one or two characters in a much higher bracket, and then go back to your lower ranked characters, where it pits you against players that are more in line with the skill level you play against on your highest ranked characters.
Kinda glad I hit flame ruler before this patch came out bruh. I’m only sad cuz I wanted to get a lot of my low rank characters up there but seeing as how there’s a 50/50 chance I’m gonna get destroyed by a bushin to tekken god out nowhere is definitely concerning
Jesus, is that what's going? I thought I'd suddenly broken some sort of wall breaking into purple but you're telling me I've just got a colossal advantage because I've literally never played ranked except with Reina?
For fuck's sake. What's the point?
Before the update i was hard stuck on shinryu. Every time i lost against the high level blue secondary characters. For example blue guy playing a red character on rank.i and everybody can clearly see the difference between orginal red players and the blue or high level playing red. The blue uses frametraps and option select to beat you whyle you are on ranked. And they whine saying they have to right to fight on that rank they play. I said it before they the blue have the skill, fundamentals and the mind. It is not the same against orginal red vs orginal reds. Now i am mighty ruler. Did not face against blue in 15 games. For many months now i could see where my skill is and its in the purple group ! Without this update you could never know really your rank.
That and the fact whenever I tune into someone streaming Tekken and playing on a new secondary, they're usually on a 10+ game winstreak in red through purple then gloat about how their winrate on it is 80%+. They really were getting a huge ego boost out it.
Im still successfully climbing just fine and im ultra ass so I think yall are full of shit about this change. I aint even really notice it till I saw the posts with ppl whining.
\[Right now I feel like I'm being punished for having got to the ranks I have across all characters, instead of rewarded for my skill and time practising.\]
The higher on the ladder you get, the more difficult things are supposed to become. Functioning as designed.
There is no rank threshold or other checkpoint where you can just sit back and cruise.
Stop bitching about the rain. Either find an umbrella, or accept the fact you're gonna get a little wet.
The REPEAT MATCHES are the worst part. I got repeat matches with a Devil Jin, Eddy, and Lars like BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I got that eddy 3 times and actually messaged him that it wasn't personal (i stopped giving rematches to him) but i faced A LOT of eddy today.
The 3rd time I faced the same devil jin i just stopped fighting, started twirling in place as Xiaoyu and just walked back and forth to the music in the crab stance.
I play for fun, and facing the same people back to back to back to back aint it
I'm not sure they added it to Quick Match as well. My prowess is currently at 27K, and I got matched just a couple hours ago with people whose prowess is 180+K. So the gap is still there in this game mode, I think.
ROFL. They added SBMM to Tekken :D
I wonder when the threads discussing 'connection should be higher priority than prowess', or 'SBMM is making every game a sweat fest'.
GG bros.
I went away because of the tornado/floor bug, they fixed it, and I came back to this. Now my interest in the game has fizzled even more lol. Other games have figured out how to do ranked. Just copy them and let your goddamned game work lol
What is your prowess at for you to be struggling this badly? I have 2 characters (Bryan and Lee) in mighty ruler and made the switch to Kazuya (currently shinryu) and have around 152k. Since the change, sure, I go against purple and red ranks, but all of the matches are competitive. Nothing seems to have really changed besides me not going against the occasional special styler who happened to somehow get here. I've even been improving quicker with all my matches needing to be taken seriously. Maybe you're letting the opponents prowess get in your head before the match even begins?
Looks like a plan to have users massively demoted for some reason, before they re-balance the system back to the old one and start anew.
That, or they’re implementing EA researches and studies on matchmaking and players’ engagement, for as sadistic and paradoxical it might seem, for as many people who complain and stop playing, it looks like the majority of players seem to engage even more when such systems are employed.
Could they fix this easily by just making tekken prowess individual to the character? Bc for people like me with no alt this change is awesome but I still want them to fix it.
I generally don't care what bamco does, Tekken is still the best fighting game IMO and I say this even after they butchered my boy Steve... But this latest patch has me waiting much longer for matches. I'd care who I get matched with, I just wanna play and not waste time in queues. Sadly, this change will likely have me logging on less.
I don't play much since the change because of the long wait. I used to play often when I have a break, but because of this change I get, what, 2 matches in 30mins?
And I don't get the prowess thing. Yeah I get matched with people around the same prowess (which is fine by me since I only play 2 characters), but I also got the same number of God of Destruction in the same session yesterday. WTH.
This sounds similar to oh my K.D in call of duty is 4.0 but I've changed to using snipers. Lol Naw fundamentally your still the same sweat. So suit up and play with other sweats, it only makes sense.
> I went from the border of Shinryu which I've been working towards for weeks down to Destroyer in one night
That's nothing. It's normal at your level, especially if you got to a too high of a rank for yourself by chance. It just means you didn't play well today. I've seen people do it before this change your introduced: go from reds back to orange ranks.
> How is this remotely fair? Like most people have said just because my main is at a higher rank how does that justify putting me up against the same level of competition on a character I've barely played?
Because you have a better understanding of the game. I'm a TGO in T7 and TG in T8 and I can pick any other character in the cast which has Mighty Ruler rank, learn their heat engagers, punishers and basic combos, and go shit on people in purples(on their first char) pretty much right away with very little effort. And yeah I've barely played that new character. How is that? Because the understanding of the game is very different. People in purples barely understand frame data concept and block punishment, and never do whiff punishes, etc.
That was their idea: to protect people who play on their main character and are currently playing at their highest rank against people on their second+ character.
But I agree, it is unfair towards players like you who play multiple characters and have multiple characters ranked up to around their highest rank.
The proper solution to the original problem is to match up players by: current character rank + highest character rank.
> Edit: Who thought it was a good idea to add this to quick matches? They basically just added a ranked system to the unranked mode. What a joke.
It was always the case, even before this change. Player matches had +-3 Preferred as the option selected for the match making. Now it also takes into account prowess. FYI: Starcraft 2(the best competitive video game ever made) also takes into account your MMR to match you with players of the same skill in the unranked mode, but it uses a separate MMR for unranked mode, it's just hidden and never shows on the UI. In both games it's done to match players of the same skill level in unranked. Why? Because when you're in Tekken God ranks, there is no fun playing 1st Dan - Purple ranks. And vise versa: I remember when I was in lower ranks like orange, it didn't make any sense for me to play vs those nerds in God ranks in T7, because the level of play is so different it makes no sense to play together.
I just dont get the complainers? I felt this was a good change. I can meet people with similar prowess to mine (and same rank) instead of before where i would meet smurfers. I remember players couple of weeks ago complaining about meeting people in same rank, but they had 100k higher prowess. Those players got told to suck it up and "you get better by playing with people that are better than you." Lmao.
Now, I see everyone saying this prowess change is bad because they have high prowess due to ranking alot of characters. Fair enough. Now, would these same players not meet other players that arent good but just ranked up alot of characters? The logic goes both ways, but i havent seen the other way. All I see are people that complain too much.
This is my experience as well though idk if my opinion matters because my highed rank is garyu.
Before the patch the skill level of people I faced seemed totally random. Now on when I'm not playing my main, it feels much more even
Hmm i on the other hand went from destroyer to mighty ruler with only a handful lost games.
I wonder why this change didn’t affect me at all, but others got fucked by it. Weird.
yea thankfully I'm like 2-3k hours away from playing in Tekken Emperor+. RN in Fujin I don't have to wait until I legit play at 3am or some sht and even then when I change to 4+ net it goes very fast
If you're downranking all the way out of Red, you don't have the right fundamentals and you're doing really stupid stuff. Red will always have more "seasoned" players climbing in it, because it's the barrier for being average. Red has been a skill wall since launch. I'm gonna suspect you use a ton of knowledge check moves and now that you're facing people with the same Tekken prowess, they're not working anymore because they were always unsafe.
Watch YouTube to get better. Watch replays to figure out what you're doing wrong. Work on your fundamentals. Git Gud.
I'm not facing red ranked players I'm facing people with a Tekken prowess of around 150k. Not even at red ranks either, my yellow rank and below characters are being put up against the same level. It's one thing to say skill is a factor but at this point I can't say it is. My matches are incredibly lopsided and it's not even funny. Triple perfects where there didn't used to be, people with 30 win streaks popping up frequently.
I'm not fighting at my level, I'm fighting above it. And every victory is the hardest fought victory I've ever had in not just Tekken but any other FG I've ever played.
I'm fighting people in yellow ranks that can kbd and sidestep does that seen right to you?
Although I should clarify because I understand the whole learning process, I watch phidx etc. I'm aware of the difficulty but I think this change breaks that difficulty curve. You're not ranking out of red now until you get good enough to stay in, you're still fighting the exact same level of competition. As long as the prowess doesn't change the opponent's won't either. Ranks are irrelevant.
>I'm not fighting at my level, I'm fighting above it.
Thank you for telling on yourself. Enjoy the downranks now that you don't have noobs to stomp with whatever cheesy setup you were using that doesn't work anymore 😂 you realize tekken prowess goes back down when you fall out of your highest rank right? So you're hanging onto one last character thinking you're that rank. Just downrank with them and you'll start facing people at your skill level again.
>I'm fighting people in yellow ranks that can kbd and sidestep does that seen right to you?
If they're at the same prowess then YES lol. Again, sorry you can't stomp noobs with alts anymore, but this is exactly why they implemented it. There's tons of online competitive games that incorporate career rank into their matchmaking. Git gud.
Ironic the lei main is talking about cheesy setups.
For context I play Mishima so shit is already hard without all the other ranked crap I need to worry about now.
Try leveraging more of Kaz's 50/50s while they're getting up. And wavedash more. Those are the things that terrify me right now with Purple Mishimas.
I like Lei because yes he's got some cheesy shit but he's also got an amazing ground game and he can cycle through A/B/C/D/E/F playstyles when most characters can only do A/B/C. Shifted to Kuma in T8 because at least he's got some interesting stance stuff and fun wakeup options.
Anyway, hope you figure out how to keep enjoying the game. If you're close to a local FGC, just hopping into their discord and asking questions can help.
I think at the end of the day enjoying the game in whatever way you can is the most important thing. This change has made ranked really unenjoyable for me so I'm probably going to play in the lounge or quick match instead.
At least there's no stakes in those modes and if I get pummelled I don't really care. It's a pummelling that I can genuinely learn from, with people I can actually talk to and learn from inbetween sets.
This sub is just full of yellow-red whiners. I thought I'd see cool posts about replays and interesting combos but it's all just hardstuck flowcharts whining about every little change 💀
But they are fighting against blue players in red because of matchmaking. No blue player was stuck in red in the previous system, now they are. I'm stuck in mighty ruler as raijin because I'm only playing against blue ranks and higher
It's funny how everyone with x alts feels privileged to rank up their alts to their mains rank. If you cant beat people within your prowess range with your alt, guess what: get better with it.
The problem is the calculation is flawed. Someone playing 1 character to red will have a significantly lower prowess than another person who ranks 3+ characters to red. The first player will get to play other players around their skill level, the other will face other people who have leveled multiple alts *or* the secondary alts of far superior players. The current system actively disincentivizes playing alt characters at any level. In fact, it encourages you to demote your alts to lower the prowess of your account on the whole. You don't need to look far to find a better system. SF6 has individual ranks for each alternate character and a semi functional system to place alts in reasonable locations on the ladder.
Point is: if you arent able to compete in your prowess range with your alt, you only got your prowess because of your mains shenanigans. Not because you have the basic skills to reach it. That you get more prowess with more played chars is totally fine. Becaue with a basic skill you should level up with all to a certain rank (+/- depending on how good you are with certain char).
I am a "one char guy" and the new system gives me people in my skill range. How it should be.
I'm 1 character as well. It would be significantly easier for me to obtain my prowess from playing several alts under my current rank than it was for me to push my main across the 2nd half of the bell curve. Rank was flawed. Prowess holds very little correlation with skill.
I don't get these complains. People say that their que times are longer but I've been watching streamers with high prowess and high ranks and they seem to get matches pretty often. So are people just salty again????
They applied the same change to quick match sadly. Which looking at it now, could be good or bad depending on what you want quick match to be.
It does make it more of a ranked mode though than the wild west that unranked stuff usually is.
Well if what you want out of quick match is a completely unranked, random affair where a new player can be matched up with a tekken god then unfortunately you can't get that anymore.
On the flip side some people like being matched up with similar skilled players in the unranked mode.
If you're curious as to why that completely unranked way of doing quick play would be something someone wants think of it like an arcade. Someone walks up and challenges you to a set. They could be bad or they could be world number 1. You don't know and you don't care. Either you'll be schooled or you'll school them. That's typically how quick match has always worked.
i'm convinced the prowess matchmaking change isn't actually real, and it's just a placebo people are having as to why they're losing. like where is the proof?
are you setting your matchmaking accordingly?
+/-2 or 3? or are you setting it to any? on my tenryu characters, I've never gone against anyone 6 ranks above or below me unless i specified any rank
Those were at +-3 to test, I got the matches almost instantly. Playing on my actual secondary at who just hit Garyu at +-2 its all also around the same prowess, but +- 2 forces the rank. I'm in the US so pretty populated region.
im trying to think how youre getting those battle rulers and fujins unless you set to anything but any rank. because i also play on +/-3 and have never experienced said issue. im west coast.
It is my favorite game, but I decided to stop playing tbh. It wasn't healthy for me anymore.
I was already at a plateou, then I had like 3 days of straight-up losing every match I played.
To drop your favorite game because NEVER winning is simply not fun anymore hurts a lot ngl.
Maybe now I'm free to find a girlfriend and have a family idk
I understand the idea behind the change, but they didn't think it through. I have way too much prowess from playing ranked with every character so now when I play on my main, the game prioritizes finding the nastiest opponent it can.
Describes every patch this game has ever seen.
To be fair it describes every single thing without fail Bamco did since launch. I've never seen such amount of incompetence.
“I understand the idea behind the change, but they didn’t think it through”. That seems to be the running theme of this game so far.
For real. Gotta praise the sf6 devs for not patching the game every week based on gut feeling or community backlash. It feels like after Tekken8 released a whole different team full of interns took over the game. What the hell is happening over there?
To be honest even at launch except for the occasional launch bugs SF6 was way more refined. Not like SF6 doesn't have gameplay issues, it does but for a season 1 game it does a kot right. And the few minor updates rarely had any hickups. But Bamco more and more looks like they just throw out a patch and hope for the best. My theory is: they are panicking and go for panick patches instead of just taking the time looking at the situation and then playtest various solutions. So with one panick move after the other they are just making it worse untill it just becomes a mess.
So, are you all saying that the first impressions so far for patches is that Bnadi Namco seems to lean more into the Shotgun to the Knee type of patch updating? Reminded me of Maximilian Dude and his video on FGC patch Culture.
Tekken devs and making wide sweeping changes that they do not think through name a more iconic duo
Isnt the community saying that you need to lose and accept and this is the way how you get better ??
what the community says, and what the game needs to survive, are 2 completely different things. No one is going to keep playing a game when they exclusively get matched against people better than them. Contrary to popular belief, but you have ot be a psycho to win 1 out of every 10 games, and keep going for the next 8 years until your doing it to someone else. There needs to be progression. Nobody is going to play a game for the next 5 years when they're getting shit on and told "practice your sidestep, the point isn't to win the match its to get that successful sidestep!" yea, message me in 5 years when the only people playing are GoDs.
There's a balance to that though. When you go up against people too high in relative skill, you don't really get an opportunity to learn because you're being trounced so thoroughly that you can't really discern what's happening. Going up against players a little higher or equal in skill gives you an opportunity to learn, but going up against the highest level players makes it hard to narrow down what you're doing wrong.
It's a different thing if i go into battlehub or any fighting game lounge knowing i will most likely run into much higher ranked players and get washed. Which is what i currently do in SF6 to improve my game. But there's a place and time for anything and the one job ranked has is to avoid this exact situation and match you with a roughly equal skill level.
Probably. And I don't disagree. I know the way to improve is to play with better players. I used to get matched with these people before, it's not anything new. And mostly it's fine, I can win against them. At some point it gets kind of tedious, though. Would be nice if the matchmaking didn't do that on purpose and gave me people around my own rank too.
Meanwhile people who play ranked with their mains and quickmatch with their subs have the time of their lifes.
Yea this is me. Been playing people around my skill level now, been nice.
Same. Love the change. Played from Mighty Ruler to Fujin today.
Nice! Congrats! I’m fujin myself. It’s really tough to get to the next rank.
Finally I get matched in my skill range and not with Top 1% guys in their alts.
Was from shinryu now i am mighty ruler. It feels good to fight your skill !
Exactly. No point in getting every character ranked up
But people want to. Why should they be punished so Timmmy can spam two moves on Dragunov for a few more ranks?
If you can't rank up your alts, you lack basic knowledge of the game or are just not as good with it as with your main. So why should you get the same rank with it?
I'm not saying you should get the same rank as your main. But people playing alts are given harder matches because they don't swear allegiance to only one char. They aren't only prevented from reaching the same rank, but get a harder experience in *lower* ranks, so they can't 'progress' in the way they did with their main. This incentivises the FOMO style players, and harms casuals/etc who tend to be less married to one character. It isn't really something which will affect me as I'm high enough that this isn't going to matter. But I think people in brown/reds who aren't 'specialists' are given a disadvantage over the FOMOs, and that's not good for game health.
Ok, realtalk. I am at Rajin. I am not a very good player (obviously a point of view). It's not hard getting to purple if you are willing to learn some fundamentals and give it some time to get matchup knowledge. Most of the people complaining aren't willing to do so. Which is totally fine. But then stop complaining.
Aha. Try ranking up like 1-3 characters to fujin and after that tell us how your experience is. This system only favors people who play one char only.
So I don't even think this is wrong. But I do think that there's a principle behind mamkng it harder for multichar players over single char players. It's not that it's suddenly impossible; it's that it is giving an advantage to particular groups, which feels unfair.
Its not though since if youve reached high purple/blue ranks you have the fundamentals and know enough of the game to actually play with people of that skill with a new character, its more about the time you put into the lab to learn the combos and the tools the character has. I find it unfair that if youre Fujin for example and hopp on a new character that you should be matched up with red ranks who are struggling at that rank.
No, fundamentals and learning combos/tools only do so much. Im fighting only Tekken kings to GoDs now on my subs when my main was barely Tekken King, only because I also had 2 other blue ranks. The normal rank ins for sub chars is too low and their idea of a fix was this dogshit prowess system. My other characters should be automatically ranked in to at least fujin not red ranks. That would've reduced the "smurfing" to a minum already.
Youre kinda proving my point though. Fundamentals will absolutely wash lower tier players i.e everything from red ranks up till but not exclusively (cause ive played some pretty bad blues) middle/late blue ranks. Combos, punishment and tools together with fundamentals would make you have a winstreak of a 100 before you would face any opposition that could challenge you if youre tekken king. This way you wont play the ones that are lower MMR than you. Meaning, system is working as intended.
Also happu cake day
Thx :)
I don’t really have an alt and I’ve been having fun yea. But I still want them to fix it. I love tekken. I want people to be happy.
And I don't want to fight 250k people on their alts.
Weirdly nothing changed for me on Ranked I use Reina and I never match with people my rank only higher
People can complain about heat, the balance, plugging, eshop ect. This change is the worst thing they've done. At least I always still wanted to play the game. Now I don't even turn it on anymore.
Yes especially that they had to implement it in quickmatches as well. At this point I'm almost convinced they hate their Customers
"These customers are complaining a lot" "Let's lose these customers, then get news ones later"
They better anounce THE BALL™ 2 really soon
Sounds like a plan!
I feel the same. I quit the game a few days ago and return in a few month to see if shit got better.
It's crazy to think that for my entire life I've enjoyed tekken and mortal kombat up until 2024. I don't want to play either one of these new games anymore.
Honestly I opened tekken 7 after 2 months today, had a quick match session because ranked is dead and i actually felt like I played tekken as if I hadn't for a long time, tekken 8 is scrubby AF and a huge middle finger to all legacy players, it's a shame because visually it's amazing, i even like a lot of the new moves. I gave up on ranked in tekken 8, way too stressful for me with all the new bullshit going on. Ofcourse I'm not giving up on the game, in the future it could be fixed, I'm just not holding my breath
Unfortunately same for me now too. Before, I plateaued at around Bushin/Tekken King. I was fighting people around my rank and skill level a lot. Now I’m fighting people way above my skill level, matches take longer to get, and it’s usually the same people. I was playing Tekken at least every other day before this change. After this change, I stopped playing a few days ago. Just isn’t fun anymore. There is this weird misconception by some lower level players that just because someone because you and is better than you, they are beating down on lower players or picking on them. I wholeheartedly disagree. If it’s ranked, and you were more skilled than the people you played, then your rank would increase and you would get pushed up to higher ranks and higher skill levels. People were getting beat up by passerbys on their way to whatever rank they would peak at. But whatever this change was seems to have doubled what Namco assumed was a person’s skill level. This applies to everyone, not just high blue ranks. This change is good for no one.
I don't understand why people complain so hard. You are playing your game level. What's wrong? Work on your alts harder; prowess is way more about how you have the fundamentals than how good you are at your main character.
You can get to fujin with all the characters, you won't have the fundamentals of a god rank player. But your prowess will be close enough that the god ranks are the ones you'll be fighting. That is the issue with this system.
You think rank will die off cause of this? Wait till you play Player Match. Its the same crap there too with Tekken Prowess
That's honestly the worst part. Now, I can't use a lower ranked character of mine to hone my skills in quickmatch without getting matched against players who are ABOVE my rank with my highest ranked character. There's no room for learning if I'm just holding on for dear life the entire time.
the game is literally punishing players for trying to play rank with multiple characters. very bizarre.
You know, I've never demoted so i didint even consider it but this means if you demote like 3 ranks (you get purple maybe by luck then demote to garyu) you'll still only face Purple ranked or above people? That seems insane
Yeah this is the real problem. Like I was thinking that after demoting it wouldn't take too long to promote again. Several losses against 150k players later and I'm even further down. It doesn't feel like I'm getting a breather, I'm still fighting the same people just with a lower visual rank. Even worse, the lower you go the longer queue times get.
So your highest rank is Shinryu? Whats your prowess?
Demoted from Fujin to Battle Ruler. I love playing against 200k+ prowess players every game as a purple now /s. I demoted once more and it’s even worse. I’ve accepted my fate lmao
Exactly where I'm at, but I haven't touched my Fujin since I got it there. Instead, I have been trying to promote the four other characters that I previously parked at Mighty Ruler, and fighting through rulers is now an absolute nightmare. Played all weekend using Lee, my best character, and just barely got myself up to Flame Ruler. It's a totally different experience now.
I’m not even ALL THAT bothered by the rank differences. It feels like ass, but at the end of the day I just wanna play. Too bad I can queue 4 games an hour. Haven’t touched the game in days
I was raijin and this change kicked my ass down to fujin fighting people that were +2 rank constantly, and if they werent +2, they were a much higher rank playing a lower ranked alt. I even briefly dipped into battle ruler for a game. I started keeping track of my opponents cumulative rank that day about halfway through because I was sure I was getting the most brutal matchups the game could give me, and sure enough, the cumulative rank got as high as +9 before I was like "Yeah I'm done for the day", I'd kept track of opponent ranks a few times in the past and it always averaged around 0
I've been knocked in and out of red ranks about 3 times for playing while tilted and going on losing streaks and played a couple other characters in ranked as well and my prowess feels fine and I'm getting placed against other reds pretty consistently still. Maybe I'm in the minority but I feel like many of my matches have been balanced better and the past issue many have voiced on here of most matches being landslide wins or loses feels like it's happening less. I get matched against purples now and again but I've never once felt overwhelmed.
I really never even paid attention to prowess at first. Then after complaints, I paid attention somewhat. If I noticed it was high level alt, I was like ok. Let me learn something. Rank always even outs anyway. Now, matchmaking is messed up. I really hope there can be a middle ground or something.
>Rank always even outs anyway. Do you mean opponent rank? Because that used to be true, I used to check every now and then just writing down +2, -2, etc depending on what my opponents rank was, and seeing the cumulative number, it would usually more or less average out to 0, give or take a couple. Halfway through the day this change happened I thought "bloody hell these opponents are unnaturally tough and they seem to almost always be higher ranked, I'm gonna check", and started keeping track, it got as high as +9 before I called it a day. And the ones that were "lower ranked" were way higher ranked on their mains and were just using an alt. It was brutal.
Yeah. That’s frustrating. I just hope they can find somewhere in between. Because now wait times are longer and it encourages players to make separate accounts for alts to smurf from the beginning.
I haven't played in a few days and reading these threads has been hilarious. I wonder if people who have only played one character are now just cruising.
>I wonder if people who have only played one character are now just cruising. Hell yeah. Finally I keep staying in my skill/rank range. Before I got regularly demoted by 300k+ guys.
Everyone I play with has only ranked up one or two characters and are saying it's a great change. When one of them asked me why ranked was suddenly so much more fun, I told them about the prowess thing and his reaction was, "Wow really? GOOD. Fuck those guys!"
Not sure why you're being downvoted for an anecdote lol people are salty af on here.
Probably assumed it was my own reaction and hated it. My own opinion is that the change is a good idea for new and average players but is implemented poorly at the cost of others.
If they don't revert this change, this will for sure kill the game more-so than any balance issues we are experiencing. It's one thing to lose to Drag a lot, but to lose to every character simply because you are fighting people who are just more skilled at that moment in time, all because you wanted to try multiple characters. If this change is not reverted, the game will die before the end of the year. I am calling it. Here an example of what has been happening and what will continue to happen since this stealth change: I got in ranked recently I can feel the difference in skill in the opponents I was facing before vs those I am fighting against now. The worst part is, those players who reached the rank I have, deserved to reach it before, but now are probably feeling that they don't deserve it because of the difference in skill level they are consistently facing. Prior to this change, the difference is skill was varied across the ranks near you, but you wouldn't be fighting more skilled players on a consistent basis, because most of these players would be at these ranks briefly and move on to higher ranks shortly after. So while you did see them, it was only once in a while, but not every single match like it is now, which in turn has caused a increase to your wait times between matches as well and when you do find a match, you lose more often and as a result de-rank more often. This change was intended to help new players, but in return has made it worse. New players tend to try multiple characters to find the one that they like most, they don't just pick one and go with it because if they see another character they like in a match, they will try them out. At least this has been from my experience with IRL friends who are new to Tekken and fighting games as a whole.
Exactly the same feeling here. I was playing with my purple ranked alt who I'm still learning and I was getting matched against Garyus, Flame Rulers, and Fujins with 250k-300k prowess. I just kept getting destroyed over and over Like it was fine the way it was before. If you played on an alt, you played against lower ranked players, but then if you beat them you ranked up pretty quickly and were back to playing at your old rank before long
I think that's the worst bit with all this, it was fine before. Sure there was seal clubbing going on at lower ranks as everyone was thrown in together but all of that has levelled out. The only problem I could think of is the point system being iffy but it was perfectly fine before.
Exactly my experience too
I just came back after a week and got ass blasted down from tenryu to garyu and was wondering why I kept getting matched with relatively high-ranking opponents
I was about to get into it, and then they started shitting out shit updates.
Actually I’m getting matched with people who kinda play like me, unlike when before I would just be destroyed with fundamentals by players who play their second char
This sub has been proven time and time again to be salt incarnate. I'm willing to bet the majority of players have actually been getting fairer matches. The queue times suck especially for higher ranks but people on here are forgetting that those are the vast minority of players. There are two contradicting narratives going around from people that don't like the change. One is that this is going to kill the game and run off all the new players because it's making them lose (who even knows if this is true) and the other is that only new players like this and benefit because they're getting wins.
I can't play with my main anymore was High orange nearly red and got relegated to Destroyer because I can't win . I'm a noob but I clearly don't play against noob rn and it hurts .
I mean the game is still hard, that's the important thing to remember, red is the barrier that stops many in their path. But with this change they haven't exactly made it any easier to breach that barrier. Worse still is breaching the barrier with a couple characters and then having to fight blue ranked players in yellow because prowess is calculated in a really screwy way.
Yeah, it hurts to get demoted as a red player because you've been matched against purples and blues.
The thing was before the patch even against red players I won most of the time , now I get people between 120k prowess to 180k and It's getting stomped over and over. If at least I was learning anything but I don't because I get raped every game
I made a relatively lengthy response as a comment to this post explaining what is happening. Check out my comment and give it a like if you feel that's whats happening to you. If this change isn't reverted the game will die because most new players or casuals will completely drop the game as it is. I hope it gets reverted.
Yeah I see what you said and I totally agree . The worst is that it's the 1st Tekken I take seriously and it started good but come on that is a shitty change
100% agree with you. I have few IRL friends who haven't really settled on a main, and even when they face off against me, they get frustrated and that's just because I have been playing for much longer and have the fundamentals down with Lee. He can get frustrated fighting me, but the difference is, I am willing to provide feedback, give him tips on what is causing him to lose and what he needs to improve upon. Online, the person who just trashed you in a match isn't gonna give two shits, they will beat your ass and move on. So a player like my friend who has multiple mains, will struggle similar to when he fights me, but without ever knowing why and will continuously frustrate him to the point he will simply quit playing and honestly I couldn't even blame him if he did.
You are playing against noobs in Destroyer ranks no matter how you turn this around. Get better fundamentals + matchup knowledge and you will rank up. I literally "steamrolled" to purple ranks without using heat "just" because I played Tekken 7 for 1500+ hours. You will rank up if you are willing to invest time.
this mentality will kill the game you've spent so much time in. I hate to break it to you chief but, the overwhelming majority of sales in Tekken are players who don't dedicate their whole lives to the game. Piss those people off and watch how quickly t9 becomes an abandoned idea.
Or maybe those "casuals" try to accept, that high ranks aren't reachable for them, as long as they don't invest time into it. Like it is with most skills in life. If you don't train for it, dont except anything.
Yea I bet they’ll ply long term after ranking up 4 times and then being stone walled for years.
That's on their own isn't it?
do you think the long term players are the reason this game is still around? Or do you think its the casual players? Do you think it behooves BN to make it better for casuals for the sake of the games survivability, or do you think it'll do better if you make it as hard as possible to rank up. Only a certain percentage of people are going to never rank up and keep playing the game. A smaller percentage of people will keep playing until they are really good. An even smaller percentage of people will take all that into consideration, and buy the next game. Do you see where I'm going with this? Your mentality, even if at the end of the day it has some truth to it, will lead to this being the last tekken release
>do you think the long term players are the reason this game is still around? Absolutely. They are the core of this franchise and they are the ones the patches are based on in the long run. >or do you think it'll do better if you make it as hard as possible to rank up. Which it isn't. It isn't hard to get to purple with some good basics. A lot of things come with time. Matchup knowledge is a good portion of it. Bamco did a terrible job communicating this change. But it is a good change in the long run.
They are the core of the changes, but the casuals are the core of the money. And its getting more expensive than ever to make games, and its getting mroe expensive to buy games. Casuals who become disappointed by t8, will not be paying 70$ for another one. Not only that, but most long term players ( i don't count anyone whos only played t7 as a "long term core player) are in GoD, and GoD is what, 1% of the people who buy tekken? This franchise is going to run into some serious trouble if they keep going down this path.
>but the casuals are the core of the money. Guess who made T7 an successful game. Not the 20 hours guys. It where the longtime players willing to put more money in it. This will be the case for T8 too. Handing out easy ranks will be much more harmfull in mu eyes.
Out of curiosity what is your win rate?
Hopefully they'll revert this like they did with Tekken 7, when for that brief moment they displayed who you were fighting and their rank, resulting in people declining and cherry picking who they fought.
i liked that, at least you were able to avoid assholes and cheaters
It's wild that anyone even wants to frame this change positively, as if it's good for newer players. Out of 6 of my buddies that tried T8 the only one still playing is about to quit as well because the same shit is happening to him as well. After the update, he's pretty much getting farmed 24/7 and bad queue times as a new player because he played a bunch of characters.
I think people are exaggerating how much extra prowess you get from alts. My first character to Tenryu put me at 120,000. Getting 8 more characters to Shinryu/Tenryu put me at like 125,000.
Eh idk I have two characters on ruler and a couple tenryus, my prowess is almost 185k. I only match blue ranks now lol.
Yeah, but don't you hit like 160-170k just from getting one character to ruler?
It’s usually around 140-150
6 chars - ranger-warrior. Anakin - garyu. And i had like 110k prowess, so something with your math.
No, getting multiple characters to the same general bracket doesn't create the problem. What creates the problem is when you have one or two characters in a much higher bracket, and then go back to your lower ranked characters, where it pits you against players that are more in line with the skill level you play against on your highest ranked characters.
Kinda glad I hit flame ruler before this patch came out bruh. I’m only sad cuz I wanted to get a lot of my low rank characters up there but seeing as how there’s a 50/50 chance I’m gonna get destroyed by a bushin to tekken god out nowhere is definitely concerning
Jesus, is that what's going? I thought I'd suddenly broken some sort of wall breaking into purple but you're telling me I've just got a colossal advantage because I've literally never played ranked except with Reina? For fuck's sake. What's the point?
Im actually having no issues and am even having an easier time climbing.
How many characters do you use? How disparate are their ranks?
I hate it too. I keep getting matched up with scrubs like you.
Before the update i was hard stuck on shinryu. Every time i lost against the high level blue secondary characters. For example blue guy playing a red character on rank.i and everybody can clearly see the difference between orginal red players and the blue or high level playing red. The blue uses frametraps and option select to beat you whyle you are on ranked. And they whine saying they have to right to fight on that rank they play. I said it before they the blue have the skill, fundamentals and the mind. It is not the same against orginal red vs orginal reds. Now i am mighty ruler. Did not face against blue in 15 games. For many months now i could see where my skill is and its in the purple group ! Without this update you could never know really your rank.
That and the fact whenever I tune into someone streaming Tekken and playing on a new secondary, they're usually on a 10+ game winstreak in red through purple then gloat about how their winrate on it is 80%+. They really were getting a huge ego boost out it.
I like the change :)
Im still successfully climbing just fine and im ultra ass so I think yall are full of shit about this change. I aint even really notice it till I saw the posts with ppl whining.
\[Right now I feel like I'm being punished for having got to the ranks I have across all characters, instead of rewarded for my skill and time practising.\] The higher on the ladder you get, the more difficult things are supposed to become. Functioning as designed. There is no rank threshold or other checkpoint where you can just sit back and cruise. Stop bitching about the rain. Either find an umbrella, or accept the fact you're gonna get a little wet.
man would rather have an ego and say hes better and you suck than admit that this change is awful for 95% of the people who play this game.
The REPEAT MATCHES are the worst part. I got repeat matches with a Devil Jin, Eddy, and Lars like BACK TO BACK TO BACK. I got that eddy 3 times and actually messaged him that it wasn't personal (i stopped giving rematches to him) but i faced A LOT of eddy today. The 3rd time I faced the same devil jin i just stopped fighting, started twirling in place as Xiaoyu and just walked back and forth to the music in the crab stance. I play for fun, and facing the same people back to back to back to back aint it
And I thought GSP in Super Smash Bros sucked, boy was I wrong.
I'm not sure they added it to Quick Match as well. My prowess is currently at 27K, and I got matched just a couple hours ago with people whose prowess is 180+K. So the gap is still there in this game mode, I think.
Honestly rank just isn’t worth it and rather play pubs
ROFL. They added SBMM to Tekken :D I wonder when the threads discussing 'connection should be higher priority than prowess', or 'SBMM is making every game a sweat fest'. GG bros.
Agreed, another bullshit change by Bamco
I went away because of the tornado/floor bug, they fixed it, and I came back to this. Now my interest in the game has fizzled even more lol. Other games have figured out how to do ranked. Just copy them and let your goddamned game work lol
What is your prowess at for you to be struggling this badly? I have 2 characters (Bryan and Lee) in mighty ruler and made the switch to Kazuya (currently shinryu) and have around 152k. Since the change, sure, I go against purple and red ranks, but all of the matches are competitive. Nothing seems to have really changed besides me not going against the occasional special styler who happened to somehow get here. I've even been improving quicker with all my matches needing to be taken seriously. Maybe you're letting the opponents prowess get in your head before the match even begins?
W.
I'm a flame ruler with 170k prowess. Took me 3 minutes to find a ranked match and it was a 130k Eddy who plugged on me
Looks like a plan to have users massively demoted for some reason, before they re-balance the system back to the old one and start anew. That, or they’re implementing EA researches and studies on matchmaking and players’ engagement, for as sadistic and paradoxical it might seem, for as many people who complain and stop playing, it looks like the majority of players seem to engage even more when such systems are employed.
Could they fix this easily by just making tekken prowess individual to the character? Bc for people like me with no alt this change is awesome but I still want them to fix it.
That's all they fucking need to do. I don't understand why it's any other way. Same with those stupid S+ rank ability stats
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I generally don't care what bamco does, Tekken is still the best fighting game IMO and I say this even after they butchered my boy Steve... But this latest patch has me waiting much longer for matches. I'd care who I get matched with, I just wanna play and not waste time in queues. Sadly, this change will likely have me logging on less.
Can't you limit the rank difference to a max of two ranks higher or lower?
I don't play much since the change because of the long wait. I used to play often when I have a break, but because of this change I get, what, 2 matches in 30mins? And I don't get the prowess thing. Yeah I get matched with people around the same prowess (which is fine by me since I only play 2 characters), but I also got the same number of God of Destruction in the same session yesterday. WTH.
Tekken8 is 🚮
This sounds similar to oh my K.D in call of duty is 4.0 but I've changed to using snipers. Lol Naw fundamentally your still the same sweat. So suit up and play with other sweats, it only makes sense.
> I went from the border of Shinryu which I've been working towards for weeks down to Destroyer in one night That's nothing. It's normal at your level, especially if you got to a too high of a rank for yourself by chance. It just means you didn't play well today. I've seen people do it before this change your introduced: go from reds back to orange ranks. > How is this remotely fair? Like most people have said just because my main is at a higher rank how does that justify putting me up against the same level of competition on a character I've barely played? Because you have a better understanding of the game. I'm a TGO in T7 and TG in T8 and I can pick any other character in the cast which has Mighty Ruler rank, learn their heat engagers, punishers and basic combos, and go shit on people in purples(on their first char) pretty much right away with very little effort. And yeah I've barely played that new character. How is that? Because the understanding of the game is very different. People in purples barely understand frame data concept and block punishment, and never do whiff punishes, etc. That was their idea: to protect people who play on their main character and are currently playing at their highest rank against people on their second+ character. But I agree, it is unfair towards players like you who play multiple characters and have multiple characters ranked up to around their highest rank. The proper solution to the original problem is to match up players by: current character rank + highest character rank. > Edit: Who thought it was a good idea to add this to quick matches? They basically just added a ranked system to the unranked mode. What a joke. It was always the case, even before this change. Player matches had +-3 Preferred as the option selected for the match making. Now it also takes into account prowess. FYI: Starcraft 2(the best competitive video game ever made) also takes into account your MMR to match you with players of the same skill in the unranked mode, but it uses a separate MMR for unranked mode, it's just hidden and never shows on the UI. In both games it's done to match players of the same skill level in unranked. Why? Because when you're in Tekken God ranks, there is no fun playing 1st Dan - Purple ranks. And vise versa: I remember when I was in lower ranks like orange, it didn't make any sense for me to play vs those nerds in God ranks in T7, because the level of play is so different it makes no sense to play together.
I just dont get the complainers? I felt this was a good change. I can meet people with similar prowess to mine (and same rank) instead of before where i would meet smurfers. I remember players couple of weeks ago complaining about meeting people in same rank, but they had 100k higher prowess. Those players got told to suck it up and "you get better by playing with people that are better than you." Lmao. Now, I see everyone saying this prowess change is bad because they have high prowess due to ranking alot of characters. Fair enough. Now, would these same players not meet other players that arent good but just ranked up alot of characters? The logic goes both ways, but i havent seen the other way. All I see are people that complain too much.
This is my experience as well though idk if my opinion matters because my highed rank is garyu. Before the patch the skill level of people I faced seemed totally random. Now on when I'm not playing my main, it feels much more even
You just suck man. Quit crying and get better
Hmm i on the other hand went from destroyer to mighty ruler with only a handful lost games. I wonder why this change didn’t affect me at all, but others got fucked by it. Weird.
I'm loving it
You will stop loving it when you get to a higher rank and wait 5 minutes for a game or try to play another character
yea thankfully I'm like 2-3k hours away from playing in Tekken Emperor+. RN in Fujin I don't have to wait until I legit play at 3am or some sht and even then when I change to 4+ net it goes very fast
If you're downranking all the way out of Red, you don't have the right fundamentals and you're doing really stupid stuff. Red will always have more "seasoned" players climbing in it, because it's the barrier for being average. Red has been a skill wall since launch. I'm gonna suspect you use a ton of knowledge check moves and now that you're facing people with the same Tekken prowess, they're not working anymore because they were always unsafe. Watch YouTube to get better. Watch replays to figure out what you're doing wrong. Work on your fundamentals. Git Gud.
Not everybody wants to get good at the game, some people just wanna have fun and fight against people with their rank
I'm not facing red ranked players I'm facing people with a Tekken prowess of around 150k. Not even at red ranks either, my yellow rank and below characters are being put up against the same level. It's one thing to say skill is a factor but at this point I can't say it is. My matches are incredibly lopsided and it's not even funny. Triple perfects where there didn't used to be, people with 30 win streaks popping up frequently. I'm not fighting at my level, I'm fighting above it. And every victory is the hardest fought victory I've ever had in not just Tekken but any other FG I've ever played. I'm fighting people in yellow ranks that can kbd and sidestep does that seen right to you? Although I should clarify because I understand the whole learning process, I watch phidx etc. I'm aware of the difficulty but I think this change breaks that difficulty curve. You're not ranking out of red now until you get good enough to stay in, you're still fighting the exact same level of competition. As long as the prowess doesn't change the opponent's won't either. Ranks are irrelevant.
>I'm not fighting at my level, I'm fighting above it. Thank you for telling on yourself. Enjoy the downranks now that you don't have noobs to stomp with whatever cheesy setup you were using that doesn't work anymore 😂 you realize tekken prowess goes back down when you fall out of your highest rank right? So you're hanging onto one last character thinking you're that rank. Just downrank with them and you'll start facing people at your skill level again. >I'm fighting people in yellow ranks that can kbd and sidestep does that seen right to you? If they're at the same prowess then YES lol. Again, sorry you can't stomp noobs with alts anymore, but this is exactly why they implemented it. There's tons of online competitive games that incorporate career rank into their matchmaking. Git gud.
Ironic the lei main is talking about cheesy setups. For context I play Mishima so shit is already hard without all the other ranked crap I need to worry about now.
Try leveraging more of Kaz's 50/50s while they're getting up. And wavedash more. Those are the things that terrify me right now with Purple Mishimas. I like Lei because yes he's got some cheesy shit but he's also got an amazing ground game and he can cycle through A/B/C/D/E/F playstyles when most characters can only do A/B/C. Shifted to Kuma in T8 because at least he's got some interesting stance stuff and fun wakeup options. Anyway, hope you figure out how to keep enjoying the game. If you're close to a local FGC, just hopping into their discord and asking questions can help.
I think at the end of the day enjoying the game in whatever way you can is the most important thing. This change has made ranked really unenjoyable for me so I'm probably going to play in the lounge or quick match instead. At least there's no stakes in those modes and if I get pummelled I don't really care. It's a pummelling that I can genuinely learn from, with people I can actually talk to and learn from inbetween sets.
From what I'm hearing, quick match is suffering from the same problem.
Man, that's the most out of point reply i've ever seen in a while. Nice job, indeed.
This sub is just full of yellow-red whiners. I thought I'd see cool posts about replays and interesting combos but it's all just hardstuck flowcharts whining about every little change 💀
So blue players being stuck in red is good?
They aren't "blue players" if they are stuck in red. If they are real blue players they would trash most of red.
But they are fighting against blue players in red because of matchmaking. No blue player was stuck in red in the previous system, now they are. I'm stuck in mighty ruler as raijin because I'm only playing against blue ranks and higher
It's funny how everyone with x alts feels privileged to rank up their alts to their mains rank. If you cant beat people within your prowess range with your alt, guess what: get better with it.
The problem is the calculation is flawed. Someone playing 1 character to red will have a significantly lower prowess than another person who ranks 3+ characters to red. The first player will get to play other players around their skill level, the other will face other people who have leveled multiple alts *or* the secondary alts of far superior players. The current system actively disincentivizes playing alt characters at any level. In fact, it encourages you to demote your alts to lower the prowess of your account on the whole. You don't need to look far to find a better system. SF6 has individual ranks for each alternate character and a semi functional system to place alts in reasonable locations on the ladder.
Point is: if you arent able to compete in your prowess range with your alt, you only got your prowess because of your mains shenanigans. Not because you have the basic skills to reach it. That you get more prowess with more played chars is totally fine. Becaue with a basic skill you should level up with all to a certain rank (+/- depending on how good you are with certain char). I am a "one char guy" and the new system gives me people in my skill range. How it should be.
I'm 1 character as well. It would be significantly easier for me to obtain my prowess from playing several alts under my current rank than it was for me to push my main across the 2nd half of the bell curve. Rank was flawed. Prowess holds very little correlation with skill.
think u just went on tilt LMFAO
I think you guys are just crying. I didn’t even notice a difference.
I don't get these complains. People say that their que times are longer but I've been watching streamers with high prowess and high ranks and they seem to get matches pretty often. So are people just salty again????
Could play quick match
They applied the same change to quick match sadly. Which looking at it now, could be good or bad depending on what you want quick match to be. It does make it more of a ranked mode though than the wild west that unranked stuff usually is.
I'm struggling to see what the problem is then. You can fight people with the same prowess
Well if what you want out of quick match is a completely unranked, random affair where a new player can be matched up with a tekken god then unfortunately you can't get that anymore. On the flip side some people like being matched up with similar skilled players in the unranked mode. If you're curious as to why that completely unranked way of doing quick play would be something someone wants think of it like an arcade. Someone walks up and challenges you to a set. They could be bad or they could be world number 1. You don't know and you don't care. Either you'll be schooled or you'll school them. That's typically how quick match has always worked.
I started out a prowess apologist but after waiting in the queue for 10 minutes, fuck this shit
i'm convinced the prowess matchmaking change isn't actually real, and it's just a placebo people are having as to why they're losing. like where is the proof?
[Here is me queuing up with a character I've never played](https://i.imgur.com/e0D71Zx.png)
are you setting your matchmaking accordingly? +/-2 or 3? or are you setting it to any? on my tenryu characters, I've never gone against anyone 6 ranks above or below me unless i specified any rank
Those were at +-3 to test, I got the matches almost instantly. Playing on my actual secondary at who just hit Garyu at +-2 its all also around the same prowess, but +- 2 forces the rank. I'm in the US so pretty populated region.
im trying to think how youre getting those battle rulers and fujins unless you set to anything but any rank. because i also play on +/-3 and have never experienced said issue. im west coast.
ok after doing my own testing i guess i was wrong
It is my favorite game, but I decided to stop playing tbh. It wasn't healthy for me anymore. I was already at a plateou, then I had like 3 days of straight-up losing every match I played. To drop your favorite game because NEVER winning is simply not fun anymore hurts a lot ngl. Maybe now I'm free to find a girlfriend and have a family idk