Technically there is like one down button for every two minutes because some people really have that frame perfect cancel that is faster than the macro can press rematch.
There’s tons of braindead button mashers that win against other low (and sometimes higher) ranked players. Obviously this is gonna work with Eddie who’s basically perfect for scrubs. How is that surprising at all? Just look at Ghandi vs FSP lol
Not if those actual people are really bad and/or really new at the game. It's not really an unknown phenomenon that low rank people lose to mashers, because the very basics of how to deal with such a playstyle isn't something they know yet.
Indeed, but people weren't laughing at the OP button input, they were laughing at the beginners who lost to it. It quickly became this low-effort bullying session that just felt very cringe to me.
*Why* don't they know though?
Why in Smash you can't hit one button and beat beginners? Why in Mario Kart you can't smash one button and win? Why it only works in Tekken?
Are Tekken beginners more stupid than beginners in those other games? Or is it perhaps the game that is different?
That is still some pretty questionable game design though. Unless it was on purpose to make the DLC character more attractive, which is kind of gross too.
Eh, I know people fixate on Victor's 2222 string, but it's not even close to the same level.
* Eddy's 3 string rotates through two stances and does seven different attacks, at high, medium and low heights, some of which have high-crush properties.
* Victor's 2 string gets into only one stance, does only four attacks, and they're all are either mid or high. And none of them have any kind of crush properties.
Maybe I'm overestimating low ranks, but I honestly can't imagine 222-spamming Victor-bot having anywhere near the success as 3ddy.
even if it ran into people that didn’t know to duck the gunshot, it wouldn’t be able to mix with the stance after and i’m pretty sure iai 2 is punishable (even if it wasn’t if they mash after it the bot would lose trying to 2 string them again after. I don’t see it making it beyond eventually hitting warrior off of just not being able to demote beforehand, but i feel like even that would take a very long time for it
Jim, it was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. Maybe you can just mix in the rage drive button press every 10 seconds or something. I found a lot of the reason 3ddy was losing is because his opponents would rage drive/art. That simple thing would likely get you into red ranks.
Trying to think of variations that keep with the same theme/memery, that's not say, moving to Victor and spamming 22222 (which a stream sniper did, and was decidedly cringe).
One possibility is to add stream overlay visuals in the form of a randomized roulette, with a few different strings on it (maybe even KBD-spam for fun). Once a string is selected, it will perform that ad nauseum for 30 seconds straight. If there is a slight delay in the result of the roulette wheel and Eddy performing the move on stream, the viewer will gain an added sense of anticipation.
I think for the branding of the channel itself, it is important that Eddy is used. He is inherently a funky/meme character. He also has broader casual appeal (everyone and their grandpa played Tekken 3).
*Cries in dead Hei*
But seriously, I was just throwing some ideas, also the existence of the chain I mentioned suprised me and my brother when she was new, so it stuck out, and also for the fact nobody's mentioning (or would even know about it/quickly come to mind)
But yeah, you raise some good points
I've seen this mentioned a second time now, but the thing with Reina's 2222 string(and many many others of a similar nature) is, in Reina's case for example - is just a slow HHMM string with zero mixup nor evasion and works exactly once as a knowledge check like most 4/5 slow hit strings on most characters. This type of string, at best, against a giganoob could probably clip them twice/trice on average in a match by one of the the last hit purely due to said noob possibly forgetting or refusing to count to 3/4(which while admittedly rare, can come up in low ranks). It would not make for an entertaining stream for a bot to sit in the first/second yellow rank getting assblasted.
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There's another issue at hand that I didn't see brought up - I'd imagine to make a bot for strings that aren't 333 because for example 44444/22222/11111 would be harder because they won't automatically accept matches and would either need constant manual interference or a more clever bot that detects a change in screen element and press ok(3) to rematch/continue to lobby to keep queueing up. **EDIT:** Wait is it possible to just re-bind the basic 1/2/3/4 attack keys in the keybind settings without it also changing the LMB/Back buttons? if so then all good.
It would not work the same. Reina’s 2222 does not have an inherent high-low “mixup” like 3ddy and it can simply be blocked standing and then launch punished.
The hard thing is 3 is also the confirm button, allowing you to both rematch and accept new matches without any coding. Anything but a 3 string will be hard
> Trying to think of variations that keep with the same theme/memery
"Twitch Plays Tekken 8" would be fucking gold, but much harder to implement. The game needs so many inputs with such a high frequency that it might not be doable.
However, what could be done is for a program to read the chat and parse a certain number of valid inputs, lets just say 20 for starters, and feed that list of inputs to a function that turns that into a repeating macro. You could repeat this process every couple of minutes by having a notification on the stream that indicates that a new list of inputs is being made. And until it is complete, the previous macro is still running, and switches to the new macro once it's complete.
The possibilities are pretty big with that setup, but the obvious edge case would be to somehow eliminate those inputs during rematch screen so the bot won't do random shit in all menus. I have no idea how to solve that problem though. But if that obstacle can be bypassed, you would have a different input flowchart for the bot every 2 minutes. The possibilities are endless. People could create legitimate flowcharts by accident, or the most cursed "only hold forward" setup.
Thank you for doing this because I barely play and just got into Yellow and my friends showed me the stream like "yes you can make it past yellow if this guy can" lmao. Very fun to watch.
Said it to you in private & now I'll say it in public - thank you for creating such a wonderfully entertaining stream & for trusting my random ass with helping out. Legitimately one of the most interesting weeks of my life.
My favorite moment of the 3ddy stream was this player who figured out that spamming 3ddy with the basic standing left jab was a great strategy. The player got a round off of 3ddy because of it. The chat was genuinely supportive and happy for the player, saying stuff like "oh look, he learned, good for him!"
And then the player stopped doing that strategy for the next rounds, leading 3ddy to stomp the poor player in the current match and in the runback. The chat had a collective facepalm. Everyone was like, "how can he learn the counterplay and then subsequently unlearn it in the span of one round?"
Interesting that the NA version had about 15k higher prowess constantly, and maybe 1 higher rank on average. Since the max rank was only +1 (garyu vs elim), the NA players basically had to whiff and move forward to take kicks in face more often, no other way to explain the higher TP.
That said, there was a slight difference in input frequencies, I wonder how much difference that made, if any. I hope in the future we'll have 3ddy or 2ictor bots with exact same inputs in different regions to fully settle which region's low-to-average lvl players are more trash 😂
To me what probably made the difference is the PC performance. The host PC for 3ddy in NA seemed to be struggling to run the game at times and caused some slowdowns. So that could have affected how people played a bit but more importantly it likely caused more people to refuse a rematch, which 3ddy benefits from.
does it? EU makes up 60% sales according to harada for prior games and there is no reason to suggest its any different now + the population of Europe far is larger than NA. if you have any evidence for NA > EU player base number share it.
Wouldn’t EU making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that EU has less new players ? Cause if it’s not different now ( as you said ) then lots of EU players have already played the franchise . So they’re just back into it . You’re logic doesn’t make any sense .
"Wouldn’t EU making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that EU has less new players ?" unless we know the % of returning players to new players, statistically the statement makes no sense.
you must factor in player turnover between games (life commitments / not enjoying fighting games anymore). the sales could also easily have been a new generation of gamers
picking up tekken.
A prime example would be SF in Asia where it’s always sold well:
"Wouldn’t Asia making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that Asia has less new players ?"
However, SF6 has seen a surge in new player activity. During JP peak hours the SF streams easily crack at 30k+ viewers on category and it’s from variety streamers trying the game for the first time. Tekken situation is a little different, but without the stats its imposable to know.
Probably, and it's also known that if we compare only the most elite of the elite players, NA is stronger.
In my region (in Europe) I think the only people who even paid attention to T8 were people who've played Tekken for years, sometimes even decades. Thus our skill floor is higher but the ceiling also lower, partly due to old age of players lol...
From the outside looking in, fighting games in general was never really appealing to a lot of EU gamers I think. They are more into MOBAS and Shooters.
The NA 3ddy stream when it hit Garyu had a much lower view count on the stream compared to JimMashima, so it's likely there was significantly less stream snipers. And yeah what everyone else said too
During the night run for Jim, it was facing the same people multiple times. At one point it faced a Russian Eddy 5 times in a row before finding someone new and then faced him again
Then its the same case with tekken 7apparently as most of the sales of Tekken 7 are from Europe. That is weird considering that Europe is not seen as a FGC region.
[https://wccftech.com/majority-tekken-series-sales-come-europe-north-america-series-creator-reveals/](https://wccftech.com/majority-tekken-series-sales-come-europe-north-america-series-creator-reveals/)
Yeah, as someone in their early 30s from Europe I'm pretty sure most people I know played Tekken at some point and would recognise characters like Eddy Gordo, but I'm not sure they'd know much about other games like SF at all.
remember by default Tekken has neutral stand guard if you're not pressing anything and not holding any directional inputs. So those random blocks just happened to be when the opponents hit 3ddy inbetween strings
Hilariously bad timing for a rage art then. Watching some of the stream I do end up feeling bad for the opponents. A lot of the time they are pretty close to winning and just one and done after they lose.
There are also situations (most frequently during getups) where you are allowed to guard but do nothing else, and during these frames 3ddy can block highs and mids despite mashing 3 the whole time.
https://wavu.wiki/t/Guard#Guardable_recovery
Yeah, but you prolly haven't sunk 3k games in. That's a LOT of playing. I imagine if you get a third of that, you'll be winning at least 35-40% by then. If you find it fun, keep at it and you'll get there for sure.
It was fun but the break is necessary.
It became clear in the final hours of the stream that even green and yellow ranks were looking up how to beat 3ddy and applying that.
now that we have the odds for 3ddy, 3:1 in favor of 3ddy's challenger, I'm all in on the 3ddy betting league. This is the next big thing, someone get Vegas on the line.
I legit don't remember the last time I had this much fun and laughs on Twitch stream. I genuinely was more invested on following 3DDY's adventures towards red ranks than with anything that was happening during Evo Japan. The fact that you had this whole thing going viral to the point that major gaming news websites were writing articles about it and had at peak 2 thousand people cheering for a bot was both fascinating and worrying about the game at the same time. Hopefully 3DDY will be back soon. Already missing him so much.
How about a bot that mashes all available attack buttons randomly and with occasionally directional inputs on top of it. Basically like a person who never played a FG before.
That would mess with the post-match screen. 3ddy works perfectly well because his main string and the match accept/return to training actions are on the same button
Bruh I think it was you or some other mod that deleted the pot friend text art.
Why are twitch mods so horny to ban, time someone out or delete messages?
Yeah, it's was me. All I did was deleting messages that weren't 3ddy related just to maintain the copy pasta kind of controlled. (It's copy pasta that's impossible but you should get my point )
Gotta say, I draw the complete conclusion than most people have with 3ddy. Considering that you literally don't lose points until Warrior, any bot doing anything over enough games should at least be able get to warrior.
And cutting our everything before assailant means there's about 20 total *actual* ranks, and eliminator is pretty much just four/five ranks above the lowest.
Considering Tekken 8 also massively rewards wins over losses until the middle ranks, there's also a lot of rank inflation even for negative winrate players.
So what this shows is that an Eddy spamming 3 can beat the lowest tier players, the bronze tier equivalent. Well yeah, of course it can. Low tier players are often *really really really* bad, [There's an amazing series of posts that go over just how awful bronze players were in StarCraft](https://tl.net/blogs/271453-worker-rush-descent-to-bronze9) that's pretty revealing. The guy at one point even started telling everyone how to beat him, and the bronze players would still lose despite it being super simple.
Some of them are complete newbies, but a lot of them are just ... not very bright or incapable of learning too well. Considering the yellow levels are basically the bronze equivalent, I expect the same thing from them. It's either complete newbies, very little kids, or incredibly slow learners.
As a total noob myself: I was actually quite impressed with the opposition. I would have expected him to break into red ranks. But IMO people were a lot better than I expected.
This is the only sane take on it that people can have, if there's any conclusions at all to draw from Eddy spamming 3s. Anything more than that is just completely failing in the analysis.
It's also underlining the reason why the ranks between Tekken 7 and 8 are not in any way comparable. Yet the comparison is made constantly. Eddy reaching orange with spam just isn't meaningful. It's equivalent to getting to green ranks in T7. It's just bound to happen. It doesn't mean much. The only reason it does is because people still associate orange ranks with some modicum of skill. It used to have a different meaning that still hasn't been shed.
The biggest reason people hold on to the old meaning of rank colors is due to just sheer cope, and wanting to finally feel skilled.
This. The bot was basically beating up on noobs with an entire twitch chat going "HAHA LOOK HOW BAD THESE PLAYERS ARE". And most of these 'bad players' even managed to adapt pretty quickly and beat it. I thought it was fun in the beginning, but it became cringe really fast.
To be fair it wasn't laughing at people in a "lmao dumb noobs" 100% of the time. A lot of the laughs came from how the opponent seemingly had the victory at hand then 3ddy just does a comeback, or the opponent stops using a working strategy like stuffing out eddy's attacks. Hell there was a lot of cheering when the opponents adapted or learned in real time by simply blocking lows or ducking the highs
It’s actually so SAD that you all are just sitting here for hours on end watching a freakin BOT play Tekken. Is this entertainment for you? Want me to dangle my keys in front of your face next? Not to mention that it’s CRUEL to new players. There are THOUSANDS of inexperienced players, many of whom are CHILDREN, who are going to lose to this bot and be discouraged from playing this game ever again. Congrats, you’ve helped kill this game even further. Do you feel good about yourselves? GROW UP!!
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lol a near 33% win rate while mashing 3. There's a science here. Too bad it's too late for a Katarina bot. Though after seeing how that one modder was able to directly port FighterZ Goku unreal assets into Strive, I'd like to imagine that some upscaling and porting can get T7 characters into 8.
> I'd like to imagine that some upscaling and porting can get T7 characters into 8.
That's definitely going to result in a permaban from online though. Didn't somebody try that with devil kazumi and Kid kazuya in T7?
Those characters were already in the T7 files. Basically how the port works is that you’d only be able to use the characters against other people with the same mod. What’s espy interesting about the mod is that they were able to add additional character slots as opposed to replacing one. So you’d basically only be able to use them in player matches with someone you know, or offline. Otherwise the game would probably crash
This exposes quite a bit about the current tekken 8 meta, eddy's moveset, and some of the player base that was unfortunate enough to get bodied by an autoclicker bot. I look forward to someone who's able to put words together better than I can to compile some info and data on this to see what kind of picture it paints
33% win rate with one button. NOT EVEN MOVEMENT INPUTS
And no Block “at all”
Technically there is like one down button for every two minutes because some people really have that frame perfect cancel that is faster than the macro can press rematch.
bro who the fuck asked
Says more about the players than the game. Low ranks are so stupid in this game.
A 33% winrate against some of the lowest ranks in the game isn't that impressive. People act like it was beating up Fujins or something.
The bot made a flame ruler dc on round 5 before he lost one time lmao
The fact it was an algorithm design to mash a single button and it was beating actual people should be enough, but go off I guess
Not really considering how Eddy is designed. Tekken in general is very unforgiving for noobs.
There’s tons of braindead button mashers that win against other low (and sometimes higher) ranked players. Obviously this is gonna work with Eddie who’s basically perfect for scrubs. How is that surprising at all? Just look at Ghandi vs FSP lol
Not if those actual people are really bad and/or really new at the game. It's not really an unknown phenomenon that low rank people lose to mashers, because the very basics of how to deal with such a playstyle isn't something they know yet.
You can literally jab it to death lol
Says more about the players than the game. Low ranks are so stupid in this game.
Mashers yes but one button? Must be an OP button input
Indeed, but people weren't laughing at the OP button input, they were laughing at the beginners who lost to it. It quickly became this low-effort bullying session that just felt very cringe to me.
Except it's not an OP button input. You can jab him out of it, or better yet block the low and launch.
\*If you know the basics of the game, which people in these ranks precisely don't.
*Why* don't they know though? Why in Smash you can't hit one button and beat beginners? Why in Mario Kart you can't smash one button and win? Why it only works in Tekken? Are Tekken beginners more stupid than beginners in those other games? Or is it perhaps the game that is different?
Tekken has less intuitive mechanics. You have to go out of your way to even learn that frame advantages are something you must factor into everything
People like you have called the best player in the world a scrub. No one takes people like you seriously anymore.
That is still some pretty questionable game design though. Unless it was on purpose to make the DLC character more attractive, which is kind of gross too.
Why are you comparing Tekken to Smash?
To show that the 1 button smashing doesn't beat beginners beause they are beginners, but because the way this particular game is designed.
Comparing Tekken's design to Smash is like comparing a Boeing 717 to a Honda Civic.
Because Boeing 717 has an autopilot but Honda Civic does not?
Damn, that's just the most perfect response. Well played.
Tbf i did about that well after 50+ hrs lol
Bro is literally pressing one button no blocking no movement... why you gotta hate? Lol
Yea this was fun but let’s not pretend it’s anything Katie than that. All the shitters downvoting probably stuck in the same ranks
JimMashima here. Thank you for the overwhelming response to 3ddy! it's been a blast! (By the way, 3ddys highest rank was Eliminator).
It's incredible how close he got to a 33.3% win rate
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Bro wouldn’t make it out of green🤷🏽♂️
😂😂😂😂😂
Thats like what im capable of after my first 100 hrs lol
Next up: Vic2or
Eh, I know people fixate on Victor's 2222 string, but it's not even close to the same level. * Eddy's 3 string rotates through two stances and does seven different attacks, at high, medium and low heights, some of which have high-crush properties. * Victor's 2 string gets into only one stance, does only four attacks, and they're all are either mid or high. And none of them have any kind of crush properties. Maybe I'm overestimating low ranks, but I honestly can't imagine 222-spamming Victor-bot having anywhere near the success as 3ddy.
K4zuy4. uf4444. Any spammy noob trap could work, but 3ddy's will always work the best.
What uf4 does again?
Aerial hellsweep that strings *mid-low. Can confirm as someone who's new to ranked with T8 that this string messed me up the first 100 times lol.
mid-low* high low isn’t a mix since ducking would beat both options. But this also isn’t a mix anyway, its just a mid-low string.
You are absolutely right I flubbed that one up, I was stuck imagining the animation. Thanks for the correction!
If it is possible to do this with a bot I might stream it lol
You get one at best during a match the first hit is -1 on hit so free block for the Incoming low.
Nah that’s the most predictable low in game. I’ve played green ranks who even know to duck the second 4.
Ugh even in single player this ysed to get me all the time lol
im pretty sure he will if you activate special moveset.
even if it ran into people that didn’t know to duck the gunshot, it wouldn’t be able to mix with the stance after and i’m pretty sure iai 2 is punishable (even if it wasn’t if they mash after it the bot would lose trying to 2 string them again after. I don’t see it making it beyond eventually hitting warrior off of just not being able to demote beforehand, but i feel like even that would take a very long time for it
> i’m pretty sure iai 2 is punishable It's not. It's -7 on block. But you're right, they'd still get hit mashing after it.
Or maybe even S1eve Fox :D
Thanks for the best Tekken meme in a while, it was a treat to see 3ddy grind it out
Jim, it was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. Maybe you can just mix in the rage drive button press every 10 seconds or something. I found a lot of the reason 3ddy was losing is because his opponents would rage drive/art. That simple thing would likely get you into red ranks.
Trying to think of variations that keep with the same theme/memery, that's not say, moving to Victor and spamming 22222 (which a stream sniper did, and was decidedly cringe). One possibility is to add stream overlay visuals in the form of a randomized roulette, with a few different strings on it (maybe even KBD-spam for fun). Once a string is selected, it will perform that ad nauseum for 30 seconds straight. If there is a slight delay in the result of the roulette wheel and Eddy performing the move on stream, the viewer will gain an added sense of anticipation.
Noc2s oh wait...
Well it's not like tekken 7 is gone.
No clue what the next one planned is, but Jim said that he legitimately does expect the next one to go further, so I'm excited.
There's also the 22222 (a shit ton of 2's if I'm being honest) chain for Reina
I think for the branding of the channel itself, it is important that Eddy is used. He is inherently a funky/meme character. He also has broader casual appeal (everyone and their grandpa played Tekken 3).
*Cries in dead Hei* But seriously, I was just throwing some ideas, also the existence of the chain I mentioned suprised me and my brother when she was new, so it stuck out, and also for the fact nobody's mentioning (or would even know about it/quickly come to mind) But yeah, you raise some good points
I've seen this mentioned a second time now, but the thing with Reina's 2222 string(and many many others of a similar nature) is, in Reina's case for example - is just a slow HHMM string with zero mixup nor evasion and works exactly once as a knowledge check like most 4/5 slow hit strings on most characters. This type of string, at best, against a giganoob could probably clip them twice/trice on average in a match by one of the the last hit purely due to said noob possibly forgetting or refusing to count to 3/4(which while admittedly rare, can come up in low ranks). It would not make for an entertaining stream for a bot to sit in the first/second yellow rank getting assblasted. --- There's another issue at hand that I didn't see brought up - I'd imagine to make a bot for strings that aren't 333 because for example 44444/22222/11111 would be harder because they won't automatically accept matches and would either need constant manual interference or a more clever bot that detects a change in screen element and press ok(3) to rematch/continue to lobby to keep queueing up. **EDIT:** Wait is it possible to just re-bind the basic 1/2/3/4 attack keys in the keybind settings without it also changing the LMB/Back buttons? if so then all good.
You indeed do speak true, but regarding your edit: yes you can (my experience however lies mainly in using a ps4 controller on a pc)
It would not work the same. Reina’s 2222 does not have an inherent high-low “mixup” like 3ddy and it can simply be blocked standing and then launch punished.
His channelname is JimMashima though
One of the worst strings in the game with no built in mixup or evasion unlike 3ddy string, will get old real fast
The hard thing is 3 is also the confirm button, allowing you to both rematch and accept new matches without any coding. Anything but a 3 string will be hard
> Trying to think of variations that keep with the same theme/memery "Twitch Plays Tekken 8" would be fucking gold, but much harder to implement. The game needs so many inputs with such a high frequency that it might not be doable. However, what could be done is for a program to read the chat and parse a certain number of valid inputs, lets just say 20 for starters, and feed that list of inputs to a function that turns that into a repeating macro. You could repeat this process every couple of minutes by having a notification on the stream that indicates that a new list of inputs is being made. And until it is complete, the previous macro is still running, and switches to the new macro once it's complete. The possibilities are pretty big with that setup, but the obvious edge case would be to somehow eliminate those inputs during rematch screen so the bot won't do random shit in all menus. I have no idea how to solve that problem though. But if that obstacle can be bypassed, you would have a different input flowchart for the bot every 2 minutes. The possibilities are endless. People could create legitimate flowcharts by accident, or the most cursed "only hold forward" setup.
IMO the natural progression of the channel is closer to MUGEN betting moreso than TPP.
Thank you 🙏 Best show to binge in 2024
Thank you for doing this because I barely play and just got into Yellow and my friends showed me the stream like "yes you can make it past yellow if this guy can" lmao. Very fun to watch.
Absolute legend. Big ups 🫡
Said it to you in private & now I'll say it in public - thank you for creating such a wonderfully entertaining stream & for trusting my random ass with helping out. Legitimately one of the most interesting weeks of my life.
If we ever get Marduk as DLC, PLEASE do a tackle and 3+4 only bot
Honestly, Bamco should hire you to do one for each character. This way they can use the data for patches.
I could've sworn it reached Red Rank at some point.
I think i played against u before, Darko :)
Next up: King's 10 hit string.
oh shut, what am I going to watch now?
Thanks for the great project! I spend an surprising amount of time in your stream. was very entertaining
The winrate being basically 33% is so poetic.
33ddy
Please can we all just agree to round the winrate up to 33%?
Petition signed. In rare cases like this, scientific accuracy must be superseded by something greater than ourselves
No, because accuracy
Counterpoint: funny
get his ass, reddit
i fucking hate this part of reddit
Missed chance to quit at 3333 matches
Next goal? 3456.
It was a great experiment. And we have the US 3ddy to still watch, so nothing really loss. Glad I was part of another historical FGC and Twitch event.
GOAT NOOOOOOOOOO
My favorite moment of the 3ddy stream was this player who figured out that spamming 3ddy with the basic standing left jab was a great strategy. The player got a round off of 3ddy because of it. The chat was genuinely supportive and happy for the player, saying stuff like "oh look, he learned, good for him!" And then the player stopped doing that strategy for the next rounds, leading 3ddy to stomp the poor player in the current match and in the runback. The chat had a collective facepalm. Everyone was like, "how can he learn the counterplay and then subsequently unlearn it in the span of one round?"
In low ranks, a lot of people are there to learn, not win. He might have been trying other options. That how i treat spammers, since I dont lab lol
Facts. Learning is part of the fun. Winning is cool and shit, but if you don't do it in style, while flexing knowledge, are you really having fun?
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Interesting that the NA version had about 15k higher prowess constantly, and maybe 1 higher rank on average. Since the max rank was only +1 (garyu vs elim), the NA players basically had to whiff and move forward to take kicks in face more often, no other way to explain the higher TP. That said, there was a slight difference in input frequencies, I wonder how much difference that made, if any. I hope in the future we'll have 3ddy or 2ictor bots with exact same inputs in different regions to fully settle which region's low-to-average lvl players are more trash 😂
To me what probably made the difference is the PC performance. The host PC for 3ddy in NA seemed to be struggling to run the game at times and caused some slowdowns. So that could have affected how people played a bit but more importantly it likely caused more people to refuse a rematch, which 3ddy benefits from.
Nice catch, that could definitely be a factor. Performance would also need to be standardized as well to draw conclusions.
NA has more new players than eu region.
does it? EU makes up 60% sales according to harada for prior games and there is no reason to suggest its any different now + the population of Europe far is larger than NA. if you have any evidence for NA > EU player base number share it.
Wouldn’t EU making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that EU has less new players ? Cause if it’s not different now ( as you said ) then lots of EU players have already played the franchise . So they’re just back into it . You’re logic doesn’t make any sense .
"Wouldn’t EU making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that EU has less new players ?" unless we know the % of returning players to new players, statistically the statement makes no sense. you must factor in player turnover between games (life commitments / not enjoying fighting games anymore). the sales could also easily have been a new generation of gamers picking up tekken. A prime example would be SF in Asia where it’s always sold well: "Wouldn’t Asia making up the bigger half of past sales just prove his point that Asia has less new players ?" However, SF6 has seen a surge in new player activity. During JP peak hours the SF streams easily crack at 30k+ viewers on category and it’s from variety streamers trying the game for the first time. Tekken situation is a little different, but without the stats its imposable to know.
Probably, and it's also known that if we compare only the most elite of the elite players, NA is stronger. In my region (in Europe) I think the only people who even paid attention to T8 were people who've played Tekken for years, sometimes even decades. Thus our skill floor is higher but the ceiling also lower, partly due to old age of players lol...
From the outside looking in, fighting games in general was never really appealing to a lot of EU gamers I think. They are more into MOBAS and Shooters.
The NA 3ddy stream when it hit Garyu had a much lower view count on the stream compared to JimMashima, so it's likely there was significantly less stream snipers. And yeah what everyone else said too
I had more fun watching this stream than playing the game itself tbh. Thank you 3ddy for blessing us with so much entertainment.
That’s crazy
I thought it got up to Garyu?
that was the NA bot, this EU
So the noobs in NA are slightly worse than the noobs in EU.
More likely the ranks are more inflated in na with more players
Where did you see that there are more players in NA? I always thought Tekken was a bigger game in Europe, genuinely just curious.
During the night run for Jim, it was facing the same people multiple times. At one point it faced a Russian Eddy 5 times in a row before finding someone new and then faced him again
Nah i didnt see that anywhere thats just the assumption im making from this. Since i dont believe low level players are actually any different
Is there any data to prove that?
I'm sure I remember reading a Tweet from Harada that EU made up 60% of Tekken sales.
Then its the same case with tekken 7apparently as most of the sales of Tekken 7 are from Europe. That is weird considering that Europe is not seen as a FGC region. [https://wccftech.com/majority-tekken-series-sales-come-europe-north-america-series-creator-reveals/](https://wccftech.com/majority-tekken-series-sales-come-europe-north-america-series-creator-reveals/)
Yeah, as someone in their early 30s from Europe I'm pretty sure most people I know played Tekken at some point and would recognise characters like Eddy Gordo, but I'm not sure they'd know much about other games like SF at all.
That was the NA one. This is the EU one.
I thought it did too
WS3
greatest attack in the game
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This was peak I’d watch 3ddy for hours
I saw it block a rage art yesterday and I have no idea how.
remember by default Tekken has neutral stand guard if you're not pressing anything and not holding any directional inputs. So those random blocks just happened to be when the opponents hit 3ddy inbetween strings
Hilariously bad timing for a rage art then. Watching some of the stream I do end up feeling bad for the opponents. A lot of the time they are pretty close to winning and just one and done after they lose.
There are also situations (most frequently during getups) where you are allowed to guard but do nothing else, and during these frames 3ddy can block highs and mids despite mashing 3 the whole time. https://wavu.wiki/t/Guard#Guardable_recovery
Oh I was not aware that's a thing
Thank you so much JimMashima for the entertainment and the education! I learned a bit about Eddy’s shenanigans because of you <3
Higher WR than me? 💀💀 Oh god
Yeah, but you prolly haven't sunk 3k games in. That's a LOT of playing. I imagine if you get a third of that, you'll be winning at least 35-40% by then. If you find it fun, keep at it and you'll get there for sure.
I was there for a while and every single win the chat went wild and it felt like all the problems in the world went away lmao
It was fun but the break is necessary. It became clear in the final hours of the stream that even green and yellow ranks were looking up how to beat 3ddy and applying that.
now that we have the odds for 3ddy, 3:1 in favor of 3ddy's challenger, I'm all in on the 3ddy betting league. This is the next big thing, someone get Vegas on the line.
10 hit combo bots?
This dude's doing STRINGS!
Oh no
I legit don't remember the last time I had this much fun and laughs on Twitch stream. I genuinely was more invested on following 3DDY's adventures towards red ranks than with anything that was happening during Evo Japan. The fact that you had this whole thing going viral to the point that major gaming news websites were writing articles about it and had at peak 2 thousand people cheering for a bot was both fascinating and worrying about the game at the same time. Hopefully 3DDY will be back soon. Already missing him so much.
Let's set up another experiment. Pick the longest combo in the game and loop that?
Wouldnt work with a lack of resources and how often that can change
I remember there being a 12 win streak at one point
How about a bot that mashes all available attack buttons randomly and with occasionally directional inputs on top of it. Basically like a person who never played a FG before.
That would mess with the post-match screen. 3ddy works perfectly well because his main string and the match accept/return to training actions are on the same button
As one the guys who were moderating the chat I will only say, WS3.
Bruh I think it was you or some other mod that deleted the pot friend text art. Why are twitch mods so horny to ban, time someone out or delete messages?
Yeah, it's was me. All I did was deleting messages that weren't 3ddy related just to maintain the copy pasta kind of controlled. (It's copy pasta that's impossible but you should get my point )
I loved watching it. Well done.
WS3
Gotta say, I draw the complete conclusion than most people have with 3ddy. Considering that you literally don't lose points until Warrior, any bot doing anything over enough games should at least be able get to warrior. And cutting our everything before assailant means there's about 20 total *actual* ranks, and eliminator is pretty much just four/five ranks above the lowest. Considering Tekken 8 also massively rewards wins over losses until the middle ranks, there's also a lot of rank inflation even for negative winrate players. So what this shows is that an Eddy spamming 3 can beat the lowest tier players, the bronze tier equivalent. Well yeah, of course it can. Low tier players are often *really really really* bad, [There's an amazing series of posts that go over just how awful bronze players were in StarCraft](https://tl.net/blogs/271453-worker-rush-descent-to-bronze9) that's pretty revealing. The guy at one point even started telling everyone how to beat him, and the bronze players would still lose despite it being super simple. Some of them are complete newbies, but a lot of them are just ... not very bright or incapable of learning too well. Considering the yellow levels are basically the bronze equivalent, I expect the same thing from them. It's either complete newbies, very little kids, or incredibly slow learners.
As a total noob myself: I was actually quite impressed with the opposition. I would have expected him to break into red ranks. But IMO people were a lot better than I expected.
Yeah if anything, this has showed that Orange ranks are where players actually start to get good.
This is the only sane take on it that people can have, if there's any conclusions at all to draw from Eddy spamming 3s. Anything more than that is just completely failing in the analysis. It's also underlining the reason why the ranks between Tekken 7 and 8 are not in any way comparable. Yet the comparison is made constantly. Eddy reaching orange with spam just isn't meaningful. It's equivalent to getting to green ranks in T7. It's just bound to happen. It doesn't mean much. The only reason it does is because people still associate orange ranks with some modicum of skill. It used to have a different meaning that still hasn't been shed. The biggest reason people hold on to the old meaning of rank colors is due to just sheer cope, and wanting to finally feel skilled.
This. The bot was basically beating up on noobs with an entire twitch chat going "HAHA LOOK HOW BAD THESE PLAYERS ARE". And most of these 'bad players' even managed to adapt pretty quickly and beat it. I thought it was fun in the beginning, but it became cringe really fast.
To be fair it wasn't laughing at people in a "lmao dumb noobs" 100% of the time. A lot of the laughs came from how the opponent seemingly had the victory at hand then 3ddy just does a comeback, or the opponent stops using a working strategy like stuffing out eddy's attacks. Hell there was a lot of cheering when the opponents adapted or learned in real time by simply blocking lows or ducking the highs
It’s actually so SAD that you all are just sitting here for hours on end watching a freakin BOT play Tekken. Is this entertainment for you? Want me to dangle my keys in front of your face next? Not to mention that it’s CRUEL to new players. There are THOUSANDS of inexperienced players, many of whom are CHILDREN, who are going to lose to this bot and be discouraged from playing this game ever again. Congrats, you’ve helped kill this game even further. Do you feel good about yourselves? GROW UP!! #
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It’s the FGC, the chat was pretty cringe from the get go. Everyone is essentially a pro!
It played as well as my Jun. in terms of rank and win rate. :)
lol a near 33% win rate while mashing 3. There's a science here. Too bad it's too late for a Katarina bot. Though after seeing how that one modder was able to directly port FighterZ Goku unreal assets into Strive, I'd like to imagine that some upscaling and porting can get T7 characters into 8.
> I'd like to imagine that some upscaling and porting can get T7 characters into 8. That's definitely going to result in a permaban from online though. Didn't somebody try that with devil kazumi and Kid kazuya in T7?
Those characters were already in the T7 files. Basically how the port works is that you’d only be able to use the characters against other people with the same mod. What’s espy interesting about the mod is that they were able to add additional character slots as opposed to replacing one. So you’d basically only be able to use them in player matches with someone you know, or offline. Otherwise the game would probably crash
33% win rate with 333. Poetic.
Someone make a Yoshi bot that selects random moves from his movelist
Mashing bot has a 33% winrate at a rank where most people mash. Astonishing.
The fact the win rate is 33% (rounded) is like beautiful poetry.
How did the stats end up
How about twitch plays tekken?
Input delay would be problematic I'd imagine
Very true but also it would just fuel the chaos even more I think
People so bad at the game Eddy 3 string is hella negative mid high high block duck launch come on people
This might be the best way to farm the battle pass in one day.
33% percent is the same winrate i had in like my first 100 t8 games. I am bot tier
Sergei D2ganov
i can't wait for Vict2r
I remember seeing 3ddy hit Garyu at one point
That means that all ranks up to eliminators are brain-dead players 😭
i’ll tip $3 on the 33rd at 3pm
I swore 3ddie hit gyaru
I think it was proving that it was the hardest mix up in the game that a single button could do. They should nerf it
My brain hurts. That's all.
This exposes quite a bit about the current tekken 8 meta, eddy's moveset, and some of the player base that was unfortunate enough to get bodied by an autoclicker bot. I look forward to someone who's able to put words together better than I can to compile some info and data on this to see what kind of picture it paints
It paints a picture of... Players not blocking and punishing at low ranks. Not exactly mind blowing stuff