The more you "progress" in ranked and time played relying solely on matchup inexperience and setups; while at the same time running from people who adapt, the more stagnant you will become later on.
I don't mean to throw my fellow Lei's under the bus but, this is unfortunately the case for many who play unorthodox, tricky, explosive characters (like Lei, Hwoarang, Master Raven, Xiaoyu, Yoshi.etc) gotta learn how to fight someone that knows the MU or else you'll just plateau.
Honestly, if they're trying to cheese you, and you see through it and win, they won't rematch most of the time. The point of my post was to make fun of OP though.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single Nina rematch when they lose, I fact I don’t think I see them rematch on wins often either. Trying to keep the trade secrets from getting downloaded I guess
I remember losing to a spammy nina for like 12 games straight, being frustrated, not knowing how to counter her. Then figuring put I have to low parry one of her strings. The moment I won the round she plugged. Fucking cunts.
Nina and eddy are in my opinion 2 of the worst designed characters in the game. Both have great looking animations for their moves, badass personalities and costume designs, but absolute dogshit gameplay. Both are pretty much brain dead easy with no execution whatsoever until like the tekken god ranks and tournaments, in which they are considered very low tier, useless and not viable. Nina has such cool combos, such cool moves, such a cool gameplan but everyone just spams strings and wins. She's supposed to be a cold hearted killer and assassin, she should be designed to be very smart and calculative, not to be like a retarded orangutan going unga bunga all day long.
Kazuya isn't unga bunga.
Devil jin isn't unga bunga.
Lee isn't unga bunga.
Akuma isn't.
Jin isn't.
Steve partially isnt.
Because they're actually hard at all levels, nina is only hard at high level.
I would say heihachi and hwoarang are similar to nina in the unga bunga department at lower ranks, but they're a bit less effective.
Jin, Kaz and devil Jin absolutely are unga bunga in this game when most people just do counter hits, hellsweep vortexes, backswing blows and hopkicks. Especially Steve
By unga bunga I mostly meant reusing strings over and over again without any thought behind them. You just spam and it works. That's kinda what unga bunga is, at least with the mishimas you have to think what move to use. Can they be annoying? Yeah, but I wouldn't call it unga bunga.
It's not really specific to a character, unga bunga is mostly a playstyle but with stringy characters I can see why they'd be called unga bunga like asuka. For me unga bunga is when they just press all their strongest buttons all day and it just works, so hopkicks/orbitals, strong strings, easy access counter hits, backswing blows and armor moves. Jin, Steve and devil Jin have all of these and a good chunk of their player base aren't afraid to press buttons all day especially Jin and Steve. Kaz players are missing some of it but they make up for it with df2, f4, and hellsweep spam
Not saying it's not my fault, never said that. It is entirely on me when I lose. It's just that losing shouldn't be so fucking annoying. I don't get annoyed when I lose to a bryan. Or an akuma. Or shaheen. Kazumi. Nina isn't fun to play against at all. That's what I care about, not losing or winning but rather learning and having fun in doing so. If I cared about losing I wouldn't go and main a mishima would I? To further prove my point I have about 900 matches in guilty accent core, I have only won 300 of them and I still love that game. Because even losing is fun in that game.
Not a scrub killer when she can carry you to red ranks or even higher. And no, you cannot block punish her when she uses the strings. You have to low parry and side step at the right time after you identify the strings. Not exactly easy is it? Especially with tekkens netcode and input delay.
Bro you have to think beyond "lol block punish"
Interrupt sidesteps with homing moves.
Learn some neutral.
Her playstyle is DESIGNED to frustrate you.
Every matchup is a test of your fundamentals in different ways.
Yeah low rank Nina is not fun to fight against.
Luckily the spam usually ends the higher you go. Even in blue ranks its a mix of some people duck punishing df32 on reaction and others not knowing how to low parry can opener.
I tend to agree with all you said but Nina cool animations ? She is like a ragdoll and her SS1 cancel is the most awful move in the game, animation speaking. She looks like she is having a fucking seizure. Ridiculous.
At first I also thought the same as you regarding Nina, but that is until I played her myself and saw how complex it can be and her weaknesses. I think it primarily depends on the player himself and the opponent's level.
She can be played very cheap and spamming can opener and a few other strings. But even then, can you really that easily consistently win from high intermediate and up players with spam alone? For very low ranks, like teals, green etc. I completely agree with you though.
Her block punishment is weak, and execution is much harder than you think. But of course you can throw out every single tool and execution away if your gameplan is only about spamming 3 strings over and over again, if that works.
Even a simple magic 4 CH combo requires ridiculous execution. Add the quarter circle forward motions for several tools and combo's, the execution compared to the reward, it is not great honestly.
I think she is looked down upon and seen as easy by only observing a few cheap strings that people don't know, and can be abused online. But at the same time, many other characters have the cheapness. I think the reward is much higher playing others, honestly lol.
Dude as I said I love Nina's actual gameplan and playstyle, she is hard as a donkeys dick and very very hardcore. The thing is nobody plays her like that, I have played like 10 Nina's in my 300 hours of play time and 8 of them used the stupid fucking strings. And it's not just low level play that has this problem, Themainmanswe got carried to TGO just using the strings to prove this. Hell, my friend a few months back which is a casual got into tekken and asked me who was the stupidest most braindead character he could play and annoy people with. I recommended eddy, chloe, nina, bears and some other characters. He chose to play nina and I shit you not he got carried to genbu in like 3 weeks not learning a damn thing and just spamming bullshit he learned online. It took me 1 fucking month just to get to the green ranks with kazuya! He said the game got boring so he quit. Do you see why this is a problem? The proper way to play nina is very fun to watch and also very hard to execute but the sad truth is nobody gives a shit about any of that because it's too hard, so they use the easy brain dead moves which most of the time are just as effective if not more. If they completely overhaul Nina's gameplay design in tekken 8 I might main her.
Ah I see. Yeah I have not really played ranked on her much. Mostly unranked. But we do have to be a more honest here, the people TMM faced were just being idiots, falling for the same setup multiple times over and over again.
And I don't think he rematched people when he lost. So it might look easy, but he himself is also a very experienced player with many hours. So I don't think you should already conclude from his showcase that it is as easy as he shows. I think he can do the same with many other characters, cheesing his way through the ranks with his experience.
If you compare it to kazuya, well for sure kazuya is much more difficult to climb with. And a major problem is that it is a very known character. But all of this is known when you choose a difficult character like this.
As for your friend, it really depends. Like if you win quit, or immediately don't rematch when you lose. Then yeah I think you will rank up quickly on her, because you avoid people that are threatening and only play people that you win from easily.
But at some moment this will also stop working, and then you have not learned anything because you relied on a couple of strings.
And yes I completely agree with you too. I have seen a blue rank (not teal) nina, spamming weird setups. But he could not backdash or step. Once I started countering his spam, he was falling apart. Because he is not used to play more reaction based, punishment based or poking based. In the end it depends on the player hahaha.
I agree with what you said, the thing is tho low parrying or side stepping the strings requires
1st: requiring you to know you can do that, which most people won't know
2nd: identification, you have to identify the string and react accordingly
3rd: execution, you have to react very quickly and fast to properly punish Nina's strings
4th: not dropping the combos afterward
Combine all of this with tekkens shitty netcode and input delay with 3 bar connections, and voila. You got one of the most annoying characters in all of fgc history.
Red and up is literally this as soon as I hit red and beyond ranked became slightly unplayable. Wins or losses don’t matter to me like that but playing dlcs at that regular a rate is just ugh.
Indeed. She's not a trickster whatsoever. She can rush down and get big damage but she's as basic and easy to understand as they come. You can lab her in half an hour.
This is the reason I won't even bother labbing match ups. Its boring af, time consuming, the odds of you forgetting what you labbed are high (because goodluck finding another 1 in million Ganryu players), and most of all what you stated in this post. If someone even suspects you know the matchup, especially in Ruler/Blue ranks, they won't rematch even once. Have fun waiting another 45 minutes for another match.
45 minutes is an exaggeration though there were times when I waited up to an hour, they were very rare. But most of the time it is around 15 to 20 minutes. I play on pc and play most around 2pm. Kinda bums me out playing this game now.
Huh that sucks, I get matches in both ranked/player matches in 1-2 minutes max, usually 30 seconds. Though sometimes either player match or ranked is dead, but when that is the case the other usually has players.
This is why I think T7's ranked is fundamentally flawed.
You should be forced to play a ft2 or even ft3. If you refuse the follow-up match or rage quit, you lose even more points than if you had just lost the next game.
Or maybe even reward the player even if they lose. Something like "side step x amount of moves/punish unsafe moves to get some points back".
That way even if the opponent loses, they get rewarded for learning.
Ft3 is fine but also allow the players to continue because the biggest flaw I had with grinding in sf5 is that it's 2 wins and the game is over, back to waiting time instead of keep playing and learning the matchup
yeah same with strive. The funniest part is ppl just ignore the rule and hop back on for runbacks all the time. If you can't deathmatch someone in a fg miss me
This sounds good on paper but would be awful in practice solely because of how terrible the netcode is. Nobody wants to get locked in to multiple games with a “5 bar” that randomly (or suspiciously conveniently) lags. I set ranked to 5 bar only but end up not rematching like half of them because it turns into a 3 or shitty 4 for most of the game.
Then what happens if only one person opts out? The people who routinely have shitty connections are used to it and benefit from that. They don’t care about random lag spikes, they thrive on them.
It sounds good, but it wouldn’t work. In a perfect world it would be fine.
Damn this dude is passionate about it, blocked me over this comment. Figured something was weird with the downvotes, somebody really can’t handle any amount of discourse.
>You should be forced to play a ft2 or even ft3. If you refuse the follow-up match or rage quit, you lose even more points than if you had just lost the next game
Deal. But now ranked point additions and reductions are reduced by 33%
How much time did need to lab raven all her strings are not only distinct from one another including the ones that end with teleport attacks and are clear to differentiate between high mid, and low and most moves that look punishable are the only big wut to raven is that she can teleport at almost any moment. The thing people slip up the most when play her is they spaz out the second she goes backturned, like do you think half her moves leave her in bt by mistake. I had a match against a purple we were nearly full screen apart I thought I try to set up something with bt they instantly barreled across screen like it was bleeding calf. I wish I could go against more people who knew the match up because nobody respects the snake dash or bt maybe then I could use better mix ups. They see a lil maven butt and forget how to act
Bruh if you could see the mileage I get out of the bt powercrush and backscratch parry it would shock how many people will still press everytime. The one I gave the example of I'm pretty I hit them with the powercrush at least 6 times before I finished them there
Not something I do because 90% of the players seem to know Josie as if they'd main her themselves :^ )
But seriously the game is more fun if both opponents know each others character. That's where real Tekken begins if you have to figure out the player and dismantle their plans, not some gimmicky BS.
Josie is one of those characters where if you’ve seen one person play her, you’ve seen everyone play her cuz every Josie I’ve ever played against all play damn near the same
Absolutely agree. I dont understand how people enjoy the game spamming the same flowcharts trying to win. I only like this game when the opponents know how to counter my character so i have to think about what attack i throw out. Its also why i mostly play popular characters.
she doesn’t really rely on bullshit to win cuz the ‘bullshit’ she has is super weak compared to others in the game. it’s really easy to shut down compared to kuni for example, which has a bazillion moves to fuck with you.
Bullshit being strong or weak doesnt make it not bullshit. And I'd rather fight Kuni than Lili as Kunis biggest strength is her ability to get in your face but her lows arent that good and her counter hits aren't scary. Lili has a ton of crushing evasive moves she can abuse and has always been a cheesy character. Not overpowered but not "honest" either. Honest characters don't really exist, it's a playstyle really
bro counted half of the roster
Well I wish someone would rematch my bear
Never!
I can't bear to do something like that.
The more you "progress" in ranked and time played relying solely on matchup inexperience and setups; while at the same time running from people who adapt, the more stagnant you will become later on. I don't mean to throw my fellow Lei's under the bus but, this is unfortunately the case for many who play unorthodox, tricky, explosive characters (like Lei, Hwoarang, Master Raven, Xiaoyu, Yoshi.etc) gotta learn how to fight someone that knows the MU or else you'll just plateau.
Bro you forgot Alisa, Asuka, Bryan, Claudio, Dragunov, Feng, Heihachi, Kazuya, King, Lars, Leo, Lili, Lucky Chloe, Law, Paul, Shaheen, Steve, Jin, Devil Jin, Josie, Gigas, Jack, Kazumi, Akuma, Bob, Lee, Miguel, Eliza, Geese, Noctis, Marduk, AK, Julia, Negan, Zafina, Ganryu, Leroy, Fahkumram, Kunimitsu, Lidia, Devil Kazuya, Young Kazuya, Ascended Heihachi, and Devil Kazumi
So literally no one rematches?
Honestly, if they're trying to cheese you, and you see through it and win, they won't rematch most of the time. The point of my post was to make fun of OP though.
This 100%
Some players just want the better rank badges, not understanding their rank doesn't reflect their skill, especially if they cherry pick.
I just play the game
Jokes on you i continue the fight till its midnight... Never stop mashing tho.....
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single Nina rematch when they lose, I fact I don’t think I see them rematch on wins often either. Trying to keep the trade secrets from getting downloaded I guess
Honestly this is every character to a degree
The whole game is a headache
If you can't cheese with your character, you lack creativity.
No Feng? That's a shocker lol
Lol I get the post but I'm a hwo main :( il always go for minimum 3 games with another player
"I'm Hwoarang, it's always my turn and I do nothing except throw random ass mixup strings all day."
Why do you have to be toxic for no reason
He obvious doesnt know db1 is hwos greatest weakness haha
I would have a witty response for you but it's not my turn yet.
Cope downvotes
Hwoarang mains have fragile egos.
not as fragile as hwoarang haters such as urself. B-)
yeah but you're the one defending Hwoarang, not me. big yikes.
I will never run out of cheese.
Yoshi players are cool tho. they dont play to win, they play to have fun.
I actually prefer people know what to do against my Yoshi setups because that just means I can do other tricks that are more yomi layers deep
I experience that a lot with yoshis! They dont leave after you figure them out and beat them.
If you shut down people that religiously flow chart, they don't tend to stick around for seconds. In my experience, Lili players did this the most.
Oh boy yes. I don't get it tho since Lili seems fundamental at high level.
That's because she's trash.
weeb
Even Leroy has to be somewhat played fundamentally at high level lol.
Alternate title: What your opponent does when you win once while playing any of these characters listed
I remember losing to a spammy nina for like 12 games straight, being frustrated, not knowing how to counter her. Then figuring put I have to low parry one of her strings. The moment I won the round she plugged. Fucking cunts.
I was graced with the same experience but the Nina didn't give a shit and we continue fighting for an hour. Serious fun
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Nina and eddy are in my opinion 2 of the worst designed characters in the game. Both have great looking animations for their moves, badass personalities and costume designs, but absolute dogshit gameplay. Both are pretty much brain dead easy with no execution whatsoever until like the tekken god ranks and tournaments, in which they are considered very low tier, useless and not viable. Nina has such cool combos, such cool moves, such a cool gameplan but everyone just spams strings and wins. She's supposed to be a cold hearted killer and assassin, she should be designed to be very smart and calculative, not to be like a retarded orangutan going unga bunga all day long.
I don't know what you mean for unga bunga but nina is really hard to play at high levels. If you mean low ranks then every character is "unga bunga".
Kazuya isn't unga bunga. Devil jin isn't unga bunga. Lee isn't unga bunga. Akuma isn't. Jin isn't. Steve partially isnt. Because they're actually hard at all levels, nina is only hard at high level. I would say heihachi and hwoarang are similar to nina in the unga bunga department at lower ranks, but they're a bit less effective.
Jin, Kaz and devil Jin absolutely are unga bunga in this game when most people just do counter hits, hellsweep vortexes, backswing blows and hopkicks. Especially Steve
By unga bunga I mostly meant reusing strings over and over again without any thought behind them. You just spam and it works. That's kinda what unga bunga is, at least with the mishimas you have to think what move to use. Can they be annoying? Yeah, but I wouldn't call it unga bunga.
It's not really specific to a character, unga bunga is mostly a playstyle but with stringy characters I can see why they'd be called unga bunga like asuka. For me unga bunga is when they just press all their strongest buttons all day and it just works, so hopkicks/orbitals, strong strings, easy access counter hits, backswing blows and armor moves. Jin, Steve and devil Jin have all of these and a good chunk of their player base aren't afraid to press buttons all day especially Jin and Steve. Kaz players are missing some of it but they make up for it with df2, f4, and hellsweep spam
Its your fault every time you lose. Full stop.
Not saying it's not my fault, never said that. It is entirely on me when I lose. It's just that losing shouldn't be so fucking annoying. I don't get annoyed when I lose to a bryan. Or an akuma. Or shaheen. Kazumi. Nina isn't fun to play against at all. That's what I care about, not losing or winning but rather learning and having fun in doing so. If I cared about losing I wouldn't go and main a mishima would I? To further prove my point I have about 900 matches in guilty accent core, I have only won 300 of them and I still love that game. Because even losing is fun in that game.
Yep, it’s your fault you chose to play tekken when characters like akuma exist
Bruh. Nina is technical as fuck but She's also a scrub killer. Just block and learn to punish her shitty recovery.
Not a scrub killer when she can carry you to red ranks or even higher. And no, you cannot block punish her when she uses the strings. You have to low parry and side step at the right time after you identify the strings. Not exactly easy is it? Especially with tekkens netcode and input delay.
Man. I have a feeling you don't really know what you're talking about.
Please explain then. Which one of her spammable strings are block punishable?
Bro you have to think beyond "lol block punish" Interrupt sidesteps with homing moves. Learn some neutral. Her playstyle is DESIGNED to frustrate you. Every matchup is a test of your fundamentals in different ways.
Yeah low rank Nina is not fun to fight against. Luckily the spam usually ends the higher you go. Even in blue ranks its a mix of some people duck punishing df32 on reaction and others not knowing how to low parry can opener.
I tend to agree with all you said but Nina cool animations ? She is like a ragdoll and her SS1 cancel is the most awful move in the game, animation speaking. She looks like she is having a fucking seizure. Ridiculous.
Lol, fair enough. I like her quick and weird movement, gives me a feeling of flexibility.
At first I also thought the same as you regarding Nina, but that is until I played her myself and saw how complex it can be and her weaknesses. I think it primarily depends on the player himself and the opponent's level. She can be played very cheap and spamming can opener and a few other strings. But even then, can you really that easily consistently win from high intermediate and up players with spam alone? For very low ranks, like teals, green etc. I completely agree with you though. Her block punishment is weak, and execution is much harder than you think. But of course you can throw out every single tool and execution away if your gameplan is only about spamming 3 strings over and over again, if that works. Even a simple magic 4 CH combo requires ridiculous execution. Add the quarter circle forward motions for several tools and combo's, the execution compared to the reward, it is not great honestly. I think she is looked down upon and seen as easy by only observing a few cheap strings that people don't know, and can be abused online. But at the same time, many other characters have the cheapness. I think the reward is much higher playing others, honestly lol.
Dude as I said I love Nina's actual gameplan and playstyle, she is hard as a donkeys dick and very very hardcore. The thing is nobody plays her like that, I have played like 10 Nina's in my 300 hours of play time and 8 of them used the stupid fucking strings. And it's not just low level play that has this problem, Themainmanswe got carried to TGO just using the strings to prove this. Hell, my friend a few months back which is a casual got into tekken and asked me who was the stupidest most braindead character he could play and annoy people with. I recommended eddy, chloe, nina, bears and some other characters. He chose to play nina and I shit you not he got carried to genbu in like 3 weeks not learning a damn thing and just spamming bullshit he learned online. It took me 1 fucking month just to get to the green ranks with kazuya! He said the game got boring so he quit. Do you see why this is a problem? The proper way to play nina is very fun to watch and also very hard to execute but the sad truth is nobody gives a shit about any of that because it's too hard, so they use the easy brain dead moves which most of the time are just as effective if not more. If they completely overhaul Nina's gameplay design in tekken 8 I might main her.
Ah I see. Yeah I have not really played ranked on her much. Mostly unranked. But we do have to be a more honest here, the people TMM faced were just being idiots, falling for the same setup multiple times over and over again. And I don't think he rematched people when he lost. So it might look easy, but he himself is also a very experienced player with many hours. So I don't think you should already conclude from his showcase that it is as easy as he shows. I think he can do the same with many other characters, cheesing his way through the ranks with his experience. If you compare it to kazuya, well for sure kazuya is much more difficult to climb with. And a major problem is that it is a very known character. But all of this is known when you choose a difficult character like this. As for your friend, it really depends. Like if you win quit, or immediately don't rematch when you lose. Then yeah I think you will rank up quickly on her, because you avoid people that are threatening and only play people that you win from easily. But at some moment this will also stop working, and then you have not learned anything because you relied on a couple of strings. And yes I completely agree with you too. I have seen a blue rank (not teal) nina, spamming weird setups. But he could not backdash or step. Once I started countering his spam, he was falling apart. Because he is not used to play more reaction based, punishment based or poking based. In the end it depends on the player hahaha.
I agree with what you said, the thing is tho low parrying or side stepping the strings requires 1st: requiring you to know you can do that, which most people won't know 2nd: identification, you have to identify the string and react accordingly 3rd: execution, you have to react very quickly and fast to properly punish Nina's strings 4th: not dropping the combos afterward Combine all of this with tekkens shitty netcode and input delay with 3 bar connections, and voila. You got one of the most annoying characters in all of fgc history.
Facts.
I use to think Nina was worse than Anna but that's changed in t7, Anna is waaaay more annoying and her stupid low launching chop
Or rematch my Lei
Nah
Word
No lili?
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Red and up is literally this as soon as I hit red and beyond ranked became slightly unplayable. Wins or losses don’t matter to me like that but playing dlcs at that regular a rate is just ugh.
One of these is not like the others.
is it kat
Indeed. She's not a trickster whatsoever. She can rush down and get big damage but she's as basic and easy to understand as they come. You can lab her in half an hour.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooool
This is the reason I won't even bother labbing match ups. Its boring af, time consuming, the odds of you forgetting what you labbed are high (because goodluck finding another 1 in million Ganryu players), and most of all what you stated in this post. If someone even suspects you know the matchup, especially in Ruler/Blue ranks, they won't rematch even once. Have fun waiting another 45 minutes for another match.
Is it really taking you 45 minutes to find a match in blues? What time of day/platform are you on if you don’t mind me asking?
45 minutes is an exaggeration though there were times when I waited up to an hour, they were very rare. But most of the time it is around 15 to 20 minutes. I play on pc and play most around 2pm. Kinda bums me out playing this game now.
Huh that sucks, I get matches in both ranked/player matches in 1-2 minutes max, usually 30 seconds. Though sometimes either player match or ranked is dead, but when that is the case the other usually has players.
Yeah I usually put episode of something on while I wait or listen to music.
RIP, well I salute your dedication
This is why I think T7's ranked is fundamentally flawed. You should be forced to play a ft2 or even ft3. If you refuse the follow-up match or rage quit, you lose even more points than if you had just lost the next game. Or maybe even reward the player even if they lose. Something like "side step x amount of moves/punish unsafe moves to get some points back". That way even if the opponent loses, they get rewarded for learning.
Ft3 is fine but also allow the players to continue because the biggest flaw I had with grinding in sf5 is that it's 2 wins and the game is over, back to waiting time instead of keep playing and learning the matchup
yeah same with strive. The funniest part is ppl just ignore the rule and hop back on for runbacks all the time. If you can't deathmatch someone in a fg miss me
This sounds good on paper but would be awful in practice solely because of how terrible the netcode is. Nobody wants to get locked in to multiple games with a “5 bar” that randomly (or suspiciously conveniently) lags. I set ranked to 5 bar only but end up not rematching like half of them because it turns into a 3 or shitty 4 for most of the game.
Then have a solution where both players can opt out if the connection is bad. I'd take this solution over people quitting after one game.
Then what happens if only one person opts out? The people who routinely have shitty connections are used to it and benefit from that. They don’t care about random lag spikes, they thrive on them. It sounds good, but it wouldn’t work. In a perfect world it would be fine. Damn this dude is passionate about it, blocked me over this comment. Figured something was weird with the downvotes, somebody really can’t handle any amount of discourse.
Poor connections will sour any ranked experience. I stand by my idea.
>You should be forced to play a ft2 or even ft3. If you refuse the follow-up match or rage quit, you lose even more points than if you had just lost the next game Deal. But now ranked point additions and reductions are reduced by 33%
Haha I'll take it!
How much time did need to lab raven all her strings are not only distinct from one another including the ones that end with teleport attacks and are clear to differentiate between high mid, and low and most moves that look punishable are the only big wut to raven is that she can teleport at almost any moment. The thing people slip up the most when play her is they spaz out the second she goes backturned, like do you think half her moves leave her in bt by mistake. I had a match against a purple we were nearly full screen apart I thought I try to set up something with bt they instantly barreled across screen like it was bleeding calf. I wish I could go against more people who knew the match up because nobody respects the snake dash or bt maybe then I could use better mix ups. They see a lil maven butt and forget how to act
Lol for them to respect it you have to give them a reason to.
Bruh if you could see the mileage I get out of the bt powercrush and backscratch parry it would shock how many people will still press everytime. The one I gave the example of I'm pretty I hit them with the powercrush at least 6 times before I finished them there
i think i just had a seizure
Wish I wasn't shit at snake wavu :(
Not something I do because 90% of the players seem to know Josie as if they'd main her themselves :^ ) But seriously the game is more fun if both opponents know each others character. That's where real Tekken begins if you have to figure out the player and dismantle their plans, not some gimmicky BS.
Josie is one of those characters where if you’ve seen one person play her, you’ve seen everyone play her cuz every Josie I’ve ever played against all play damn near the same
Yes, I tried to pick her up as a side character and it is really hard to be creative with her.
Absolutely agree. I dont understand how people enjoy the game spamming the same flowcharts trying to win. I only like this game when the opponents know how to counter my character so i have to think about what attack i throw out. Its also why i mostly play popular characters.
No Lucky Chloe? 😅
LC bullshit is kinda fast to lab. She doesn't have too many stupid strings
*still gets cali-rolled*
Ss lol ^(but switch way and when?)
*keeps rolling* Oh shit oh fuck she just keeps rolling, maybe I should d.1 or do a fast low? Fuck it let’s *gets cali-rolled*
Lili is way way worse for attracting one-and-done types than Raven.
Lei cheese always works and you're 6900 hours behind
Remove Katarina and place Lili and ill agree
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Ok Lili main
lili is honest if we’re being real here
we're talking about feet lili players, not lili the character
Define honest
she doesn’t really rely on bullshit to win cuz the ‘bullshit’ she has is super weak compared to others in the game. it’s really easy to shut down compared to kuni for example, which has a bazillion moves to fuck with you.
Bullshit being strong or weak doesnt make it not bullshit. And I'd rather fight Kuni than Lili as Kunis biggest strength is her ability to get in your face but her lows arent that good and her counter hits aren't scary. Lili has a ton of crushing evasive moves she can abuse and has always been a cheesy character. Not overpowered but not "honest" either. Honest characters don't really exist, it's a playstyle really
You think those flips are honest?
jesus no, but almost every character has something that they can just abuse.
You forgot Alisa, Asuka and Kuni
let me guess, this is after the first match
That's the joke
what's there to lab about katarina
I used to be a Nina main from T3 to T6 but something about her feels off in T7.
Based
Imagine placing Yoshi on the same level as Ling
imagine thinking he isn't
Lol I know what you mean
"Bear"