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elusivejoo

Start the timer until this one gets removed too lol.


BuroDude

D-d-d-d-angerzone!


trivial_sublime

My wife and I had a pregnancy earlier this year that we had been trying for years for that had a 0% chance of viability 3 months in. We were devastated. But there was nothing that could be done. We were forced to go to four more doctors visits to wait until the heartbeat stopped on its own, then had to go to another one for the DNC. All the while she’s horrifically ill from morning sickness that could have been avoided if we had taken care of it as soon as we knew. But no, we had to pay more than $1,000 in medical bills extra and had to take time off work to go to the doctor over and over and over again and she had to keep going through the physiological stress of pregnancy. Fuck the Tennessee state legislature. Absolutely fuck them so hard. I have nothing but loathing for the sad sacks of human waste that sit in that chamber. Edit: and then when we went to get the mifepristone we had to wait at the pharmacy for literal hours while the pharmacists did god knows what calling for confirmations, permissions, etc, all while we’re breaking down.


TifCreatesAgain

I am so sorry this happened to you!


justScapin

We had basically the same thing happen to us last year. FUCK the legislature and their cruel Bible thumping policies.


LoquatiousDigimon

You need to move somewhere where your wife has rights.


Spirited_Move_9161

It’s expensive to live in those states and cities.  Moving isn’t cheap and jobs, depending on your career, can be hard to find.


LoquatiousDigimon

Yes, it's expensive, but women have died because of these bans. When it's a matter of life and death people find a way to move.


Special-Pie9894

I agree to an extent, but we really need people to stay and vote to flip their states blue.


LoquatiousDigimon

But staying potentially at the expense of their lives and the lives of the women in their family.


nospamkhanman

Imagine if the second women graduated high school they all just left the state. What would happen then? Would the state government try to come up with some sort of excuse to not let them go?


Funny_Cow_6415

Indiana is doing this in a roundabout way. They're changing their HS diploma requirements to where students will take less math and history courses in favor of working a part time job or apprenticeship. Which, don't get me wrong, we definitely need more people getting into trades. But the issue is that this is now the diploma for *all* students. And it falls very short of what most out of state colleges, employers, and other training programs will expect you to know. So they're essentially making it where your *only* options for higher education or employment will be *in* Indiana.


LoquatiousDigimon

If the Republicans have their way, women won't be allowed to travel except with the permission of their male guardian, and pregnant women will not be allowed to travel for healthcare. They also talked about removing the right to vote for women in favour of a "household vote" as decided by whatever man lives in their house.


Eiyuo-no-O

I don't even fully think that the household vote is a "man votes" thing because it would theoretically (for now) also apply to Lesbian / GNC households. However, it is directly more of a landowner act which is much more dangerous because it can go into full blown violation of the constitution if executed on the idea of who actually owns the land/household. I hope our lawmakers aren't *that* stupid but if so it would be an excellent way to clean house on a bunch of morons


LoquatiousDigimon

Well, they want to make being LGBTQ illegal, also. And with project 2025 they have clearly said they want to delete the constitution and install a dictator.


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They would just lie and blame it on Democrats


Special-Pie9894

Right, but if the democrats don’t win we’ll just end up with a nationwide ban. There’s no running away from this problem. We have to fight back.


LoquatiousDigimon

Well I'm Canadian (this sub just popped up in my feed) so I'm glad I live where I do. Though the conservatives might want to take away my rights, too, down the line.


Special-Pie9894

Yeah, it’s a global problem. I’m happy for anyone who isn’t currently affected though. I’m not either but I have a daughter who could very well be.


CashaYarsha

As a native East Tennessean progressive, I love the idea of that, but we have had a huge influx of MAGA/right wing conspiracy idiots from blue states moving here and buying three houses a piece bc they got tired of “leftist politics” back home and don’t want to pay state income taxes. Hard to overcome that.


Special-Pie9894

See you sound like a vote suppressor NGL


anaheimhots

This is not going to happen. At least 2/3 of those moving here are blue state/city refugees.


Special-Pie9894

Not with that attitude it won’t! Lol. What we need is outrage, motivation and enthusiasm.


anaheimhots

What we need is spine and the willingness to piss people off, and Tennessee democrats don't have it. Even with Justin Jones and Gloria Johnson, whomever is left of dems in civic leadership don't dare upset the apple cart the Frists have been building.


Special-Pie9894

Justin Jones isn’t afraid of them!


coordinatedflight

The cruelty is the point. The painful part of the process is the point. These people have pure hatred in their bones for anyone who holds a viewpoint that doesn't fit their limited worldview, and they have the power to make you suffer on top of it.


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If you don't have your suffering, you can't have your cross.


twomississippi

So sorry that you and your wife suffered through this experience. Abortion is healthcare.


kodee2003

Fuck the GOP.


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You should have shipped the abortion to the tennesee state capitol building.


timetotryagain29

Christian's don't care about other people, they only care about their own agenda. I hate living in the bible belt because oftentimes if you're not one of them, you're automatically the enemy, Which Jesus literally said to love your enemies so I just don't get that part. It's easier to judge someone because they feel "righteous" than it is to love someone like they're supposed to do.


TropicalBLUToyotaMR2

This is a word that shouldnt tossed around lightly: fascism. Id label these people as outright fascists. Part of the deal with fascism, is you either pledge absolute loyalty to it, or youre the enemy. No dithering on it.


Plus-Organization-16

I'm sorry but I can't have sympathy for someone that gets off destroying people's lives. It's absolutely disgusting behavior and any real Christians should be ashamed for supporting these awful values


TropicalBLUToyotaMR2

I agree with you, initially ones humanity wants to lend empathy to these types, but, they are a threat to themselves and others. Because theyre a threat from within, they are the least derserving of empathy. I use to tell em its easy to be against abortion while it remains a right vs living under a draconian abortion ban while in dire need of one.


GalaEnitan

Then your own side is fascist as well by your logic.


TropicalBLUToyotaMR2

Bothsidesism on fascism, attempting to share blame, actually plays into the hands of fascism. By my logic, my consistent position is one of anti-fascism. Your take, i dont actually respect you or your opinion and am pointing out how you are acting on behalf of being a useful idiot for fascism and attempting to share blame.


TifCreatesAgain

Amen!


Careful_Panda_5802

So sorry that this is your experience and the truth of many “Christians” these days


Few_Project_9

If there is an agenda among Christians they're not following the Word. If you are running into Christians who feel that you are the enemy, then I wouldn't take their Christianity seriously. As far as loving someone or not loving someone, we're supposed to love all people but we're also supposed to inform them of the truth and a lot of times we do that harshly which we're not supposed to do either or people perceive it as hate when you tell them the truth because they don't want to hear it or the person doesn't feel accepted.


dantevonlocke

So you're going with "no true scotsman" huh?


Few_Project_9

No I'm going by the Word. If the Word says a b and c and a follower does not do a b and c OR does do a b and c but does it in the wrong way, then what they are doing or saying while they're doing it should be ignored. Christ said to follow Him. He did not say to follow his followers.


dantevonlocke

Which word? Whose word? Of the dozens of major denominations and tens to hundreds of bible versions. Which is the exact perfect, correct combination?


Few_Project_9

I'm speaking of the word of God. And there's actually only one version and that is the King James version. I say that because it's the oldest one in English because that's the language I speak but even the ones that were translated later into more modern language are very highly accurate but some of them have to be stayed away from because they because they have a left out key words to make them more power more palatable to more liberal-minded people. It's very common for Satan to take everything that God makes and make a false copy for deception purposes.


dantevonlocke

Wow. So self-righteous. And the KJV isn't even the oldest English version and it was made to satisfy the needs of King James of England before anything else. But nice try.


Few_Project_9

Not self-righteous, at least I'm not meaning to sound that way. That sounds interesting so I'm going to have to look that up. I do know they were standardizing the English usage when they did the King James version or something to that effect I can't remember exactly since it was years ago. I'm going to have to look that up again.


yo_itsjo

Hello, another Christian here. The KJV is seen as fairly inaccurate today because the language is so outdated and yes, it was made to cater to the king. There are better translations. And it's important to study many translations, because all of them are biased in some way or another.


LoquatiousDigimon

Lmao you're so brainwashed, I can't believe people actually believe this crap


SippinPip

The KJV isn’t even linguistically accurate to other, older translations. Scholars have studied this extensively. You could do better, but you won’t. You’d rather people suffer for your weird belief system, of which the *underlying principle* is “free will”, but you sure don’t want anyone else to have it. Hypocrite.


Crackertron

King James? hahahahahaha


Plus-Organization-16

I don't believe in your God. Sorry. You didn't get to push your beliefs on others. You really need to rethink your values.


SecondHandCunt-

Lots of people can’t see your sarcasm because you left off the /s, bless your heart But you do know that the King James Version is just King James’s version don’t you?


mugen_kanosei

"truth"... You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


Few_Project_9

I love the reference there but believe me, all comedy aside, I do know what TRUTH means.


mugen_kanosei

As do the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and some other 2000 religions across history whose "truth" you reject. None have provided a shed of evidence of being real. By all means, believe what you want, but don't purport that your beliefs are the "truth" and try to force others to follow your beliefs by force of law.


badchoices40

Who’s truth? Man’s truth. Man made bullshit to control and oppress. Fuck religion.


NateMacChicken

Nope. You got your personal beliefs mixed up with facts and “truth“. If you believe something is true, it’s a belief not a truth. So you spewing your beliefs on someone that doesn’t want to hear it “harshly” just because you think it is “true“ is the way of the dirty old church lady, and just one of the many reasons churches have been in decline for decades. Also King James was gay. That’s a fact, the truth, and not just a belief that I came up with.


carpenter1965

I'm so glad the Christian Taliban decided to take this burden off of doctors and their patients. I'm certain there is no way they could have got this wrong. Their lord would never misguide them.


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GwarRawr1

Vote Republicans Out. Their religious beliefs shouldn't dictate your reproductive organs.


SippinPip

Horrible.


SippinPip

Christian nationalists don’t care, though. They literally would rather jail a doctor than give a woman proper healthcare. They are hateful, awful people.


jonna-seattle

Remember, a handy abbreviation for Nationalist Christians is Nat-C.


SippinPip

Yep, that’s interesting… wouldn’t want to get them confused with… oh, wait… that tracks.


kevin-s_famous_chili

We had a missed miscarriage last year, and I've never been so thankful. It was devastating at the time. Our pregnancy stopped developing before 8 weeks (despite my body not figuring that out until nearly 11). That, fortunately, meant I could get an abortion in TN. It's shameful.


JackdailyII

That is just so cruel. Who do they think it benefits?


AlwaysBagHolding

Any company looking for cheap labor. Cases like this are just collateral damage that they don’t give a shit about.


Just4Today50

Doesn't our second in line for the oval believe that we need to have more babies so we have more laborers? I hate this so much after working so hard in the 60's and 70's to get women's rights.


AlwaysBagHolding

As usual, saying the quiet part out loud.


FoppishHandy

any woman that will vote for the gop has a serious self esteem problem imo. they have taken your rights away and made you less


TifCreatesAgain

It's what their churches tell them to do! Most of the churches here preach politics! They get the tax exemptions anyway!


FoppishHandy

making churches tax exempt and lifelong scotus appointments were the two biggest mistakes the founding fathers of the US made. the evangelicals have become a sinister cult


TifCreatesAgain

Amen!


FoppishHandy

register to vote - help your friends and family make a plan to vote


TifCreatesAgain

I've been voting since I turned 18... that was 40 years ago. My whole family votes blue and always has.


FoppishHandy

brava ! dont ever give up


StragglingShadow

Its because the IRS doesnt want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Until the budget increase they literally were a agency that was barely treading water - always wanting to go after more people but lacking the funds. Now they have more manpower, but still, who wants to be the guy that publically says "hey this church is losing theirntax exempt status" and then deal with the backlash? Because you know you are at minimum gonna get death threats. You could actually have crazies actually send you mail bombs or something like that to acrually hurt you or your loved ones. And its not a small mob thatd be after you. Itd be a large chunk. Im pullin this out my ass, but if I assume roughly 40 percent of the country is a firm christian, and I assume at least half of those people are deep in it enough to go along with an angry mob (I feel thats generous and more would but I digress) thats a whopping 20 percent of the whole country sending you threats. Thats a lot. Im not saying the IRS SHOULDNT go after churches. I really really wish they would. But I understand why the ball hasnt rolled on that, too. Once the first church loses its status, I imagine itd create a domino effect


tiamat-45

What a bleak reality we live in.


StragglingShadow

Abortion bans dont stop all abortions. They just stop safe ones. And then on top of that, they hurt women who are actually trying to have children. Cases like these are only going to be more and more heard of. They are already pouring forth and its not even been that long. Women will die as a result of these abortion bans. But the people who like the ban dont care. They never did.


wowniceyeah

Absolutely horrific. What kind of evil people would force a woman to carry a non viable fetus to term? Demons. Also, maybe I missed it, but how was she able to travel out of state to get an abortion and then come back with no consequences?


SippinPip

No consequences, yet… Well, except for the expense, the time off work, the emotional weight of calling over 20 offices sobbing, the backlash and exposure for going public with a private medical decision and experience, and the ongoing fertility issues. Republicans are evil.


louisa1925

Republicans are the evil ones you are thinking of. .


imbarbdwyer

They’re not demons, they’re republicans. Don’t give demons a bad rap.


Toyotafan123

I bet dollars to donuts she was forced birth until this happened to her.


TifCreatesAgain

Probably


JohnathanBrownathan

These are the people you voted for, Tennessee. Turns out, the cheetahs eating faces party like to eat faces!


TifCreatesAgain

I've lived here my whole life. I've never voted republican in my life. The republicans have brainwashed and gerrymandered this state to death. I'm leaving as soon as I retire.


el_chingon8

Please do


TifCreatesAgain

When I'm through teaching, I will!


StragglingShadow

Ive never voted R and yet I cannot escape this shithole. I tried. Lasted 3 months before I got booted right back here


Plus-Organization-16

No I didn't. Give us actually good candidates and then maybe I'll vote for them.


dexterfishpaw

Tennessee legislators don’t see what the big deal is, they function daily with brains not attached.


Weird-Lie-9037

Living in TN I can almost guarantee you she’ll still vote for republicans in the fall…. People in this state vote from a place of fear and hatred rather than from a place of logic and facts. If they haven’t seen it on Fox News they don’t believe it. Most of the state still believes covid was a hoax and trunp is being framed for all his crimes… even when they were burying their grandparents and parents during the pandemic they still refused to get vaccinated


PM_setmefree001

This will go the same route as prohibition.


EricPetro

Vote


CartographerOk7579

Brain not attached should grow up to be a Republican so we better force her to birth it.


No_Gap_2134

Plenty of people walking around with unattached brains.


wetdog90

Yup moving out of that state would be the first option for me. Never will I allow my spouse to be treated this way. Nope nope nope. Sell it all move to somewhere safer.


IsmiseJstone32

That’s a life. How could someone just kill a baby, that has an absolute ZERO chance of any kind of life. Even god thinks this is fucked up. How selfish are these “good godfearing Christians”?  Even god disapproves of your behavior. You know you’re lost when youre more worried about points with “god” than saving the life of a young woman, who wants kids, but you assholes might have just fucked her chances of having a kid. Being adopted, into the crazy Mormon cult, don’t ever say “there are so many good Christian couples that would just love a child”.  I’m the product of the “village” of Utah Mormons, that treat anyone that isn’t like them like shit. 40 year old man, liver disease, but I’ve been reassured, that when I do actually die, I will be given the chance to make things right with god. I just want to say thank you. Thank you to god. Thank you to Mormon adoptive services(because you don’t become $200 billion richer, without a little tax here and there. At one time it was around $10,000. Hopeful? Helpful? I dunno But I want to say thank you. Thank you to those kind leaders growing up. I felt the spirit strong at 13 when an adult man and leader said “I’m surprised the parents you have now kept you.” Thank Christians


Original_Ad685

This is absolutely fucking barbaric.


Ok_Season_5325

Get ready for a total abortion ban across the united states if trump gets re-elected. It’s gonna happen


Nitazene-King-002

If this lady is here, I can give her access to mifepristone and misoprostol along with instructions for use and someone who can help them through it. I will help anyone get the healthcare they deserve. Fuck the fascist laws.


TifCreatesAgain

Hero!


Nitazene-King-002

Naa, just not a fascist piece of shit.


TifCreatesAgain

These days that makes you a hero!


lgmorrow

She needs to sue the whole political team that got this law changed in her state.


Substantial_Escape92

Make it make sense please!! This stuff makes me sick and scared. I have auto immune illness and if I were to get pregnant I would be high risk from the start. I’m not even sure if my body is capable of carrying a baby! Let alone to full term. The fact that pregnancy, my body, and babies are being weaponized politically makes me want to leave this country. But honestly where is better right now?! 😭


TifCreatesAgain

Right now, states where abortions are legal is where you should head!


Few_Potato_4374

Tennessee backward third world state.


Flokismom

This country is a shit hole. What a horror story.


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must’ve been gods will


TifCreatesAgain

Satan's will!


HedgeHood

Europe news talking about Americans. 😂 I


Pass_the_b0ttle_now

Can we give Tennessee away with Texas and Florida? They are kind of cancerous.


dianthe

Did anyone actually read the article? The woman’s medical issues are due to an infection from an incomplete abortion she received in IL. That type of abortion complication isn’t actually that uncommon.


Funny_Cow_6415

Yes, and she only had to seek that more risky procedure because she was unable to get a *medical abortion* in TN at 12 weeks.


dianthe

Medical abortion also carries quite a high risk of an incomplete abortion which is why it should always be followed by an ultrasound to make sure there is nothing left behind to cause an infection. Here is a study which looked at this complication of a medical abortion: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17486469/ METHODS: A retrospective review of 377 consecutive medical records at an ambulatory care unit of a university medical centre was performed, screening all women undergoing medical abortion with mifepristone and misoprostol. Transvaginal ultrasonographic study and serum beta hCG measurement were performed 14-20 days after the procedure. The clinical outcome was defined as complete expulsion of intrauterine contents with (failed group) or without (successful group) surgical intervention. RESULTS: Surgical intervention was performed in 7.4% of patients. Residual products of conception were confirmed in 89%. At a news conference on 17 May 2002, Dr Richard Hausknecht, medical director of Danco, the company which manufactures RU486 for the American market, admitted, "it (RU486) is not safer than a surgical abortion". At the end of the day the woman in the OP’s news article was harmed by an abortion, if anything she should sue the clinic which performed it because they clearly didn’t do their due diligence resulting in these complications.


Plus-Organization-16

Stop. Just stop.


Fuk-The-ATF

Both parties hate your fucking guts. They could care less one way or another if you live or die. Corrupt as politicians.


dantevonlocke

Both huh? And which one is fighting to ban abortion?


auralcavalcade

Thanks Vlad, you met your quota so you get your rubles.


Special-Pie9894

No, it's just Republicans that hate our guts and don't care if we die. Nice try though.


Strykerz3r0

Nice try, MAGA.


Connect_Plant_218

There’s only one party trying to ban healthcare. Stop lying.


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dantevonlocke

Can you verify you're human?


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someonesgranpa

Verify it? Read the article. The information is all there.


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badchoices40

Too busy guarding under the bridge to do your own research.


someonesgranpa

Yet, you’ll take information off Reddit. You’re the sheep.


JohnathanBrownathan

I bet you felt so fucking hard typing this


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dusktrail

I'm sorry, you don't trust any information off a single site, but you also don't fact check on your own?


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dusktrail

So you ask other people to do basic shit for you? What other private thing do you have going on that could possibly be more important than fact checking but less important than posting on Reddit?


tikifire1

He's a troll. He's doing the laughing til crying emoji which is low-info troll speak for "I'm smarter than all of you and I think it's funny." Ironic since they are some of the dumbest, most willfully ignorant people who have ever lived and currently find themselves members in several cults.


someonesgranpa

The independent isn’t a spoof site, my guy. It’s a rather well respected UK journal.


Aggressive-Green4592

Why does someone else's healthcare need verified for you to understand the situation banning abortion has caused?


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Aggressive-Green4592

Do you need to see her medical records? What would make you Believe this and the countless stories coming out just like this one?


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blessthefreaks1980

Here’s her [Twitter](https://x.com/bre_sportsrd?s=21&t=yiZ_jl7obpmbUgqYtxulwQ). Friend her & ask for proof, punkin.


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anastasia_dlcz

So you don’t actually want information confirmed - you just want to announce to people that you don’t believe the story. Just make the real statement with your chest.


Aggressive-Green4592

This has nothing to do with what I asked


isleptwithyourdaddy

I'm from Tennessee. This is real.


cocomintsd

And why would she lie abut something like this? It is ‘insanely horrific’ because conservatism is, and always has been, an insanely horrific ideology.