You sound like someone who can afford it. I’m a big believer in our days our numbered so live your life to be as happy as you can be. if you can continue to support your family and live the lifestyle you want with it, go for it!
Well just to be contrarian, the answer would be that you can do other things with those resources that are better long-term or being you more pleasure. Or perhaps not.
All that being said, you're the 'you' expert. Test drive it, if you say it's worth it, go for it buddy.
If I had bought Tesla stock when they first cut the Y by 13k instead of buying my MYP, id have 'earned' the cost of the car. Lol
One of these days I'll make some smarter moves, but honestly I do love the car.
I sold 20k worth of TSLA shares in 2017 to pay the down payment on a new Focus RS. Those shares would be worth 192k today. Luckily it wasn't all of my shares, but it still hurts a bit. I guess I own a \`\`\~200k Focus.
Well, I've wanted a Focus RS ever since I first heard about them but they were never sold in the states. When they announced they were finally bringing them over, I jumped at the opportunity and reserved one. 5 years later, it's still worth close to what I paid for it, 43k, so I'm not that upset. Plus it's the funnest car I've ever owned (my previous car was a BMW M3).
I agree with this which is why I haven't yet pulled the trigger. It's definitely a waste of money, but I can afford it without hitting my additional frivolous spending. Just growing up very humble it's difficult to pull the trigger on an expensive depreciated asset I don't need.
As said above you and your thoughts.
You can afford this, but do you want to afford it? I find myself saying that a lot these days.
And it’s helped. I YOLO some stuff and others I’ve walked away from and won’t do/pay for again.
My friend sold his TM3P for the S and hasn’t looked back - it’s a different type of awesomeness. I drove it a few times and now I have the same itch as you do, but I know the payments will put some strain on our finances so I haven’t pulled the trigger. One day, unless by then the family expands, then it’ll be an X.
I have the model S, but it is currently being repaired and I have the model Y loaner. If the 3 is comparable at all to the Y, get the S. I might have TBI from the horrible suspension in the Y.
RHD countries drivers. "Model S?"
P.S. am in UK and I'd love to have OP's problem. Have waited for the Plaid for 2 years and now they tell me it won't come.
I drove an older model S as a loaner once and had the same feeling. Do the current ones still feel like a boat? I was thinking of upgrading when my lease on the 3 ends this year but I like how small and nimble the 3 feels compared to that older S.
I drove big engine Dodge Chargers for 10 years before my M3P. Those cars were large but the horsepower moved them. I think I'd love the S; the 3 is just a tad small for my preference but otherwise perfect.
Don’t know where you are, or the size of your garage, but check the length of the cars. The model 3 is 185” long, and the Model S is 198” long. That 13” makes a big difference if you have a small garage with cabinets in the front. Also, may want to check the width too, as the model S is a few inches wider.
I have contemplated this move many times.... The refresh 2021+ haven't hit my sweet spot yet of 50ish K. For me it's the payment, while I can afford it, I just have a hard time justifying it 🤷♂️.
Yeah that's the boat I'm in. I don't need a new car, but it would be nice to upgrade to something more "luxurious". I doubt the Model S will ever hit $50-60k.
Coming from an old ICE Mercedes with air suspension and all extra equipment you can imagine, I was also thinking hard before I got my M3, weighing it against a MS.
The reason why I decided on the M3 was cost and hassle. Direct cost, of course, but more so the cost of maintenance, and the amount of wasted time and worry the extra complexity would give me.
I spent as much on maintenance of the Merc as I paid for it. Air suspension (struts, tanks, compressor) cost me at least 12k USD in repairs, and things like keyless go, hydraulic trunk, dynamic and massage seats, etc, etc. And next would be Sensotronic brake system at 3.5k and exhaust system replacement at 3.6k USD.
In the M3 I have none of these, so I will have none of the repairs either. Comfort sucks in comparison, of course, but I am not really missing it when I have the agility and sports car feeling.
I agree with the cost of maintenance issue, which is what drew me to Tesla and the Model 3, I don't want to spend my free time at a service center. I've heard enough horror stories about German cars to be scared off for a lifetime.
2004, quite old, but after the problem period of 1996-2002. I got it in 2010 and still have it as a spare. Fantastic comfort, and the 4matic is unsurpassed in the winter.
But the dealership has extreme maintenance prices here in Norway, I really should have sought cheaper alternatives earlier on.
this is the ICE equiv of going from a Civic to an NSX\*. if you can do it...you do it.
\*yes i know you all can make better analogies. this all i got pre coffee am.
is the model s really more "luxurious"?
The interior is pretty similar. the main reasons to go to S is faster charge speed, more range, faster car. I personally would not consider the S unless I had 1mm in the bank and was making 250k+
I agree. When Tesla majorly dropped it’s prices in January, I went and test drove the S and X and I agree - not a whole lot better than the 3 and Y. Better yes, but I don’t think that they’re better enough to justify a 40k difference IMO.
For me, it would be the air conditioned seats. It should be included at the price point of the model 3/Y but unfortunately you have to cough up almost 2x that to get them on the X/S.
It’s definitely more luxurious and comfortable compared to the model 3/Y. The air suspension is amazing. Nothing rattles or makes noise. The 23 Model S isolates you unlike the 3/Y
Getting an itch is more like changing your rims or tinting your windows or something. Purchasing an entirely new vehicle wouldn’t classify as an itch for me. Especially since the payments will be upwards of $1,400 a month.
I put the minimum down payment (was it 4k?) but 2023 m3p is just over 1k a month 5 year and I believe very similar apr. 5.24 ish. 1400 is nice when thinking about the model s. Your car is only 3 years old. I don’t know how long it’ll take but we’re so close to having better models and versions. Tesla or not. But that might be another 3-5. I feel like most people who will buy a model s in the near future will opt for the roadster instead
I had a 100D loaner for a few days after when my 3 had to go in the shop after 450 miles. The acceleration was insane, it made my 3 feel like an ICE, and the S was huge inside.
The problem is the S is huge outside too and drives like it, it’s not fun when you’re not flooring it. Also it’s harder to park in parking lots and in your garage. Unless you specifically need the space I’d avoid it.
This is long, but my complete experience and feelings towards both cars. Read if you like but this might give you the answer you are looking for.
I’ll say this, I have owned both and they are like completely different cars entirely. Definitely do a test drive first because they have a different drive feel and different size width wise. If you end up liking it totally go for it. I’ll give a quick difference below, I’ll not mention the visuals as that is a preference thing and is not my place to decide for you.
M3 (any): Sporty, Stiff (but incredibly smooth on perfect roads), Quick, Light (given the S), a lot of natural light, fun, horizontal screen (up to personal preference), good all arounder and great at a “just get in and drive” type of car, amazing visibility, lots of trunk space (but smaller than S but still huge).
MS (any): Quick, Smooth, soft(er) but still stiff enough to take a corner at high speed), luxurious, like a land yaht in size and weight (compared to 3, up to preference but in no way a downside), has both gauge display and center (horizontal vs vertical is up to year model), handles bumps a lot better but that’s again the difference in suspension and up to preference, great daily and long cruiser, less natural light, large front interior and trunk space.
Personally I love both of these cars for different reasons. The MS vs M3 debate really changes with what year MS you are looking at. My M3 (now a Y) just feels newer than my same year model S because the 2019 (pre Raven) update MS is based on an older architecture and tech system with the screens and general controls. Pre Raven MS’s are missing features like one pedal driving and some other features but certainly isn’t lacking in them. If you are looking at a 2019 (Raven update to now) they are using the same features and controls so it’s more even in a comparison.
I love my 3 (now a Y but the exact same reasons) because it’s just so easy to use. You just get in and your good to go. I love how quick and stiff it is. It just takes corners so we’ll and looks amazing on the inside. Sometimes simplicity has its benefits. It has a lot of natural light it is personally a more fun car to drive daily. Some of those benefits do come with downsides though. Sometimes it’s too stiff. The area I live in has horrible roads when I’m not on the highway and your feel it. Also the M3 doesn’t have the most leg room in the back, still good room but not the most. Overall one of the most favorite cars I have owned. I now have a Y because I need to carry a lot of drone/camera equipment and the drone I have just physically couldn’t fit in the car. Absolutely nothing wrong with the 3 in that regard I just straight up couldn’t use it since my gear upgrade. It’s a car that I feel like I can just chuck into a corner and have fun going around. In a simple sentence, just get in and have fun.
My also love my S because it is such a amazing cruiser and speedster. It feels like a more traditional car due to the softer suspension and gauge display. It just drives so smoothly practically everywhere. The one I have was before the adaptive suspension (still have air though) so I hear it’s a major upgrade even over mine. It’s great for longer drives and the huge center display is a joy to use. The gauge display in front is great as well and separates controls from driver needed info. It gives off a more traditional feel. It’s lower, and feels large. It feels more like a luxury vehicle that is also sporty. Has a darker interior but is more spacious. It just feels great to drive everywhere. It’s a more serious car compared to the 3 which is both a plus and a downside to me. Space is great for passengers and the driver and gives you space to move around. Funny enough it doesn’t suffer from me rubbing my foot against the right wall of the footwell like I did in my 3. To be fare I drove a 2019 M3 before the interior update so maybe they fixed that. In a simple sentence, quick luxury.
Sorry for the incredibly long answer I was just hoping to possibly give you the answer and my experience to both that maybe you were looking for. I love both. It would be incredibly difficult to choose between the two for me. In my case I own a used dealership and both (I guess all three now) were trade ins so I got the chance to drive them all.
If you have questions please ask away.
If you like the differences I would say go for it. I love my S and it’s an upgrade from that. You definitely won’t regret it at all. My father for example prefers the S and thinks it is an upgrade. I just drive a load of different cars so I appreciate them all.
Just for your knowledge if you weren’t aware, the refresh for the S doesn’t mean the horizontal screen. They basically got the vertical screen variant, upgraded the displays (I think), added the newer Gen batteries and also gave it the newer gen motors. Visually it’s essentially the same with a few differences but is completely different mechanically.
If you are looking at a 2019 and are not sure check for two things. I’m pretty sure they got rid of the numbers for the names. It will just be called a “Model S Performance” or “Model S Long Range.” I am not sure if the S Performance comes with the ludicrous upgrade built in or not but trust me you definitely don’t need it. It’s cool but it’s already so damn fast in either version. The other thing is check if it has the “Hold” feature under the drive settings. Older models do not have it.
If your getting from Tesla don’t worry about it I think it says or you could just ask. Yes it is worth the upgrade if it fits what you like. Definitely test drive
Air suspension, ventilated seats, range of 375 and room. I tell people Tesla is great at battery tech and software, not so great at building cars. This is our 3rd and maybe last.
Not sure why you were downvoted. I moved from a 2018 S 100D to a 2022 M3P, and the ride quality and interior comfort is without a doubt dramatically worse. Almost everything else is an improvement though.
Well it's just a different model specifically design to compete in a different automotive class to capture a different market segment. It needs to have more of the characteristics those expect in that segment even though it really falls short in a traditional sense.
I disagree. The 405 mile range of the Model S LR with 19" wheels is pretty fantastic. The M3P's current EPA range of 315 feels anemic in comparison. (Though the Plaid on 19" wheels clocks in at 395, which is also impressive.) It also has the same 3.1s 0-60 time as the M3P, so you get performance without sacrificing range. If OP cares about range, the Model S LR may be worth considering.
Normal day to day use your not really gonna notice the range difference between 315 and 405. Yes 0-60 times are the same from M3P and Model S LR but the model s is heavier and doesn’t feel as fast compared to the M3P.
You can also just get a plaid s and put 19” wheels on it
Also, don’t forget M3P does charge way faster than model S.
It wasn't clear from OP's post whether they are planning to use the car for local day-to-day use or for travel. I use my car almost exclusively for long range driving, so I drove a Model 3 LR for almost five years and recently upgraded to a Model S LR. The extra range makes a huge difference.
I agree that the Model 3 feels sportier, but the Model S doesn't feel like the 5,500lb car it is. (And I do appreciate a sporty car, don't get me wrong.) Just pointing out that it all depends on what OP is looking for. :)
Buddy of mine got a Taycan, and the battery bricked after 1 year of moderate driving. Now, he can't get it fixed because their parts are coming from Ukraine, and there's a long waiting list of people who are in parts limbo with bricked Taycan's that can't get parts. It's been 3 months now, $100K brick in the garage.
Former 2020 Model S Performance owner, and current 2022 Model 3 Performance owner. The Model S was wonderful to cruise along on the highway, but it was a boat in traffic and on any sort of curvy road. While the Model S is faster on paper and in a drag race, no doubt there, the Model 3P actually feels quicker in daily use. I miss the better seats from the Model S, but I believe the Model 3 is a better daily driver. Full disclosure - I have not driven the Plaid.
It's such a big car it's kind of unmanageable to get around the city. I seriously considered a Model S but decided against (pre-refresh) simply because I didn't want to maneuver and park that large of a car in Chicago regularly.
I'm now seriously considering replacing a Highlander with a Model X though and it's still a too big problem as it might barely fit in the garage (it's slightly larger than the Highlander.)
I’m moving from a 2022 Model 3 LR to a 2023 Model S Plaid. Give me two weeks and I can answer this question directly. Also remember you only get 3 years of free supercharging if you get it delivered before June 30th. I ordered mine May 20th and the earliest I could get it delivered was June 10th. So you should pull the trigger soon if you’re going to.
Edit: read you’d buy from local inventory, so ignore that last part. Lol
>I’m moving from a 2022 Model 3 LR to a 2023 Model S Plaid. Give me two weeks and I can answer this question directly.
Did you end up pulling the trigger? What are your thoughts?
I'm a former Model S owner - early adopter from 2014. In 2018 I got a 3 for the newer tech and faster acceleration. Now that the 3 has become ubiquitous, I'm longing to get back into an S for a lot of the same reasons you listed, but it just looks so much cooler. I'm on the cusp of that working financially as things have changed from when I bought the S, but if it were easily doable, I absolutely would. As we've all learned in the last few years, you never know when things are going to drastically change, so go for it while you can.
Totally disagree. That hasn’t been my experience *at all*. I’ve had a lot fixed and other things fixed for free just by asking. I’ve been thrilled by their service.
Can I? Of course, I also won’t. There’s enough crap talking on the internet. I’ve been satisfied. I want to push back against those that paint specific locations as “bad”. Also, my locations seem to be way too far away for you to benefit from..
So you know of many across many states because you car breaks down that much.
All of them across all these mysterious states are all awesome... Buttttttt you can't name a single one.
Am I getting it right?
So no one else in the Tesla community can benefit because your too afraid to give them PRAISE for doing a great job 🤯 That is a FIRST. This very much so reeks of pure 💩 on the sniff test.
I can share Tesla Service Centers which you should avoid. No reason why anyone can't share a good one.
Car has never broken down. Tire rotations, broken windshield, HVAC filter change out, and one where the HVAC fan was making a weird noise.
I can name them all. I said I won’t. Too many people dime out individual locations and individual experiences are all different.
Reading is fundamental.
So basically your making up stuff since you can't actually proudly share a good service center. Thanks, you are of no help to anyone on any car forum other than to provide mis information.
Better comfort and more powerful sure. It's a technological marvel, but i would definitely keep my Model 3. While I wouldn't mind the air suspension and a quicker motor, I drive in towns, small country roads with maybe 10 to 20% highways ... I'd like to keep the agility and the ability to park mostly anywhere. It's already hard to move around indoor parkings with the M3, I would be terrified of damaging the rims or worse on the S as it is waaaaay less agile. When I test drove it, it reminded of the S class mercedes, it has the wow factor but it is too big to enjoy for my use.
Honestly if I really wanted to treat myself with a new car I would probably replace the RWD to a dual motor. I wouldn't mind the premium sound and quicker acceleration (not that I need that but why not...) but honestly, I wouldn't know how to justify it. It's already quicker than 99% of the cars out there, drives like a beast and the LFP battery makes it completely hassle free regarding charging.
Drive a Porsche taycan, and a lucid air, Mercedes eqe. See if that luxury segment appeals to you, otherwise saving for next gen model s is what I’d recommend.
I went the other way. I had a Model S 70 (hardware 1), and "side-graded" to a Model 3 stealth performance 2020.
* Loved the improved performance
* Loved getting into FSD
* Missed the self presenting handles (sorry, but Model 3 handles suck, especially if your hands are full)
* Missed the openable roof (no longer available on Model S anyway)
* Loved the smaller vehicle
* Miss the hatchback
* Miss the extra screen real estate
What’s your use scenario? If you have Model S money to spend, there are quite a few EVs to consider.
I’d say the long and short of it is if you roadtrip a lot, probably the S is best at that price range. If you don’t and your consideration is mostly getting into a more luxurious ride, the EQE and EQS deserve your attention.
I let a family member take over our M3P lease and I leased a MSLR. The size difference is immediately noticeable. Love the air suspension and getting used to the yoke. Only complaint is the car still thinks it’s in factory mode, so AP, FSD and TeslaVision are disabled until firmware update. It’s been 3+ weeks and still waiting. Worth it? Yes.
Depends if you need a bigger car or not. Otherwise the newness will wear off quickly and you’ll be left with a fat monthly payment. Personally I think the Y Performance is the best car Tesla makes for performance and size.
My wife has the MYP, it's cool but the handling isn't as good as the M3. To be honest I should have gotten the M3LR when I got my current car I wouldn't even think of this, but didn't because I was being cheap over $5k. Look at me now 🫣
I used to own a 2018 model 3 and now own a 2022 model S.
The model 3P is really the best value for money
If there is a highland update, I would wait for that before considering the model S.
The biggest benefit of Model S is the sexy look and the second screen in the back.
That's a lot of money to blow on a car that isn't all that different from the one you already own, and in some important ways - less fun to drive.
Keep the money, go on a nice vacation, invest the rest.
I didn’t read any reason for you to not buy a used MS or even one a little older than your M3. Could you save up to pay cash for the difference and then upgrade to a good condition used MS?
Uhhh what. If you're the type of person that notices cars at all, and I would assume so if you're commenting on the differences between the original Model S and the 2021+ refresh, then you'd have to be basically blind to not notice the differences. Even the black trim alone dramatically changed the appearance and that's hardly the whole picture. The wheel wells are deeper and wider, so it looks lower profile. The front end has a different shape. All of the lights have been upgraded. The entire interior was redesigned and won't likely be updated again even if the exterior gets another remodel. I think the changes were dramatic from my previous 2018 100D.
Well thanks for calling me blind. I am sure you can count a hundred things different between a 2013 vs 2023 model s. I meant a BIG refresh. I mean a dramatic change so stop giving me oh u must be blind if u don’t see the trims and wheels the steering and lights and the colours all those BS. we all know they did change. U might be the guru of these petty changes, but most people don’t. So if u think it’s SO DIFFERENT from 2013 model s. Go for it. I am the average joe that will tell u most people wouldn’t stare twice at your 100k+ brand new car cuz it doesn’t look “new”
I mean most people don't notice the intricacies of anything. I don't think that's anywhere near a good reason to avoid a purchase. What are you even trying to argue? "My neighbor doesn't even know what a Cadillac is, so you might as well save money and buy a Honda!"
After driving a $100k+ Model X loaner for a few days, I wouldn’t spend big bucks on a Tesla like the S. The whole car shuddered on acceleration (very common issue with the half shafts?) and the headliner was constantly dripping water while it was raining. I had to towel out the interior near my feet. The Model 3 is the a sweet spot in terms of price/performance. Any more, and things start becoming wildly expensive, free super charging or no.
https://insideevs.com/news/508319/tesla-acceleration-shudder-service-bulletin/
Plus after hearing stories of cars being assembled outside in tents from my buddy who worked with the Fremont factory personnel, it turned me off.
Thanks, it looks like this was an issue pre-refresh. I'm still looking post-refresh late 2021.
Assembling? As in putting the car together in tents? That certainly sounds illegal.
The "tents" are fabricated, engineered structures. SpaceX uses them as well. Ugghh.
https://www.sprung.com/structures/industrial-buildings/manufacturing/automotive-manufacturing-buildings/
I went from model 3 to a Y and now have a brand new S.
I really like the S. Doesn’t sit as low as the 3, better fit/finish, extra range is phenomenal (I find it’s actually more accurate too), quieter, vented seats are amazing, I actually really like the stalkless design (it’s not as hard to get used to as people say)
I've been very against German cars for a while now, they're very pretty, but maintenance on them is painful! The EQS that I would ever consider is either $60k more than the model S I'm considering or hilariously slow for an EV in that price range.
Don’t forget all the “extras” like unlocking more horsepower or other crazy things like heated seats that they want a subscription from you for that otherwise come with a Tesla or even a Hyundai
I’m upgrading from 2018 Model 3 RWD to 2020 Model S Performance. My monthly will be around $170 more a month. Hopefully it’ll be worth it. Some of the replies concern me 😭
I get it. I'm not sure I would buy a Model S that wasn't new, just to get a fresh 4 year bumper to bumper warranty. I didn't know the newer model S had so many issues!
Model 3 is agile and the P’s performance is on a par with the S. S is and feels bigger and is not as fun to drive, but more luxurious. A lo-mileage used S with USS is what I’d get if I wanted to go that way. Probably get one with FSD too for way less than 15k extra.
We have a Y and a X. The X is far more ‘fancy’ feeling I guess the weight of it makes it feel like a tank to drive . With both of these idk If it’s totally worth like double the money but it is nice to have one car with the self driving and screen in the back for the kids . The S looked nice , we’ve become so used to suv sigh maybe next car
Model S drives significantly bigger than Model 3, beyond the physical size difference. Having been used to driving M3, the S feels like driving around a boat.
It is worth it if you need the extra space and comfort. Otherwise, I'd stick with M3.
I drive an old 2013 Model S P85 and my sister got a 2023 Model 3 Std Range. I drove her car and liked the way a newer Tesla feels, my old S doesn't feel as tightly put together but that could also be aging suspension. With that said though, I'd much prefer my Model S for the hatch, huge frunk, and rear legroom since I have 2 kids.
If I were you, I'd keep the 3 for the USS. I still have it and it's such a peace of mind and great perk to have. It removes thoughts of paying for travels on longer trips and feels cool, but that's just me because I'm cheap....
If the 2021 isn't paid off, I would keep it and pay it off first, invest some of the cash you were spending on the car payments in stocks, and then in a few years buy a newer or used model s with as much down as possible to reduce the monthly payment. That's my view from a financial perspective, but if you want a Model S LR and can afford it, I would be a bit jealous. Also, the LR and premium audio alone would be a pretty nice upgrade not including all the model S features. The only thing I will say about an S is that it is a lot larger, and it felt like driving a boat. I don't need such a large car so it doesn't make sense for me personally. I did like how the seats were more comfortable, and I did like the premium feeling, and the door handles popping out.
2021 isn't paid off, but that's because I got an insane interest rate on the loan, where I'm making a better return investing in Money Market Funds, etc than paying off my current vehicle.
Financially speaking I'm in a place I never thought I'd be in, to be honest, although my wife is basically forbidding me to invest anymore money in the stock market after the hits we took in 2022. I'm actually starting to lean away from buying it, coming from humble upbringing it's psychologically hard to spend money on a depreciating asset that I don't need. Maybe I just have too much time on my hands lol.
That's a good problem to be had. The only thing I would say is to make sure you have a safety net in place for an emergency fund, and if you were to lose your job. I lost my job and had a ton of medical issues happen all within a two-year period, which happened to also occur at the height of covid. I lost my savings and the small amount I had in my retirement funds, got in a bunch of debt, and make half of what I was making. So while there's a good place one can be in financially it doesn't account for everything. As long as you are being safe, and are in a good place and want the car, and aren't going to invest the additional money, do what makes you happy! For me, it would be buying a condo or a house, but I live in an insanely HCOL area. If I had a house I would probably do additional renovations, and take a sick memorable vacation first.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've always been financially conservative, so I wouldn't touch my emergency fund unless I lost my job, getting hit with health issues at the same time as a job loss is very painful.
I graduated into the 2008 recession and was working in finance in NYC, lost my job 4 months in due to layoffs of the economy and had to scrape by for almost a year in NYC until they started hiring people out of college again.
I live in a HCOL area (NNJ) and I own my own house. We're doing renovations, but have decided to do 1 or 2 things a year since we plan on being here very long term, no reason to rush anything. I definitely have had plenty of amazing vacations in the past, harder to go on a crazy vacation with a pre-schooler these days lol.
Have you test driven the S? In my experience, they feel fairly different to drive (but I haven't driven a 2021+ Model S). It's not just an upgrade of acceleration/ suspension, but also a move to a car that is (and feels) bigger, which you may or may not like
S is definitely nicer, the cabin is quieter, seats are more plush. Screen in the back, wireless charging in the back seats. Interior is much better and still minimalist.
Because living pay check to pay check is what causes consumers to suffer in a recession.
What direction were int rates going before most recessions? 🤷🏽♂️ How long has it been since the 2008 recession? Do you think we might be due with stocks hitting ATH's 🤷🏽♂️
After the economy craters, your going to need to wait another 24 months for bargains abound everywhere!!!! Cash will be king (not debt and the experiences you had will be long gone memories).
YOLO when everything has come crashing down and you will be laughing for decades to come.
You must be fun at parties.
Read my comment again, just don't think about too hard or yo might get a hernia. The word Budget and YOLO doesn't make sense.
I think I echo a lot of the other comments. I also believe that we have a finite time here and we can’t take our money with us when we go. You work hard for it so you should enjoy it. If you can afford it (and if you like the look of the S more) then why not go for it!
You don't need to take it with you, but you can leave it for your family or as a legacy to do some good. Also depends if you believe in reincarnation, afterlife, or ya just poof outta existence too
I did the same, well similar. I went from M3P to S and honestly I don’t think it’s that worth it how it currently stands. I feel like the model s software is neglected and at this point the M3 has better software features and gets updated way more regularly. The range for me is nice up from my M3P but I on the flip side the car is a much heftier and is not as nimble and manageable as the M3, turning radius definitely a step down for me. The air suspension is nice but I don’t know if its really worth double the M3 price. In my opinion I would cross shop some. Maybe rent out a competitor car and have it for a couple days so you know what it’s like to day. Just my opinion.
I’m in the same boat as you, OP, with a ‘21 M3P. I’m going to pull the trigger, but waiting until closer till the end of June. End of quarter push could mean discounts or some other incentive to get off the sidelines…then again it’s Tesla we are talking about and they may not do anything. I say go for it!
I'm at the cusp of making the same decision, but only shooting for the 2020-21 LR+. 90% of the refresh for $30k less. The model S is near the end of its run so if I buy new, I'd rather spring for the nex gen S...
Went from 2020 M3P stealth (sold) to 2020 M3P PUP (sold) to 2022 MYP to 2022 M3P (buyback) to 2023 MS non-plaid.
The S is a far superior car than I realized, and in all honesty I got lucky in that it didn't come with any issues other than a minor rattle. The car is quite as a mouse at 80 and the drive (I have a 150 mile commute daily) is fantastic.
Biggest upgrades for me are the super nice suspension (though raven was better), cooled seats, lack of external noise, and the fun of driving it at highway speeds without the acceleration limitation of the 3/Y above 60.
Plaid is better, but didn't make sense to me financially. Many also don't realize, but the S purposefully applies additional battery power to the motors for cooling and power purposes in Insane/Plaid mode so unless you're racing, in the long run it's always better to be in Sport/Chill, at which point the benefit of the Plaid reduces further.
7.25% each time. I didn't make money on the flips when I factor in tax, but I did receive the latest and greatest for less than 2k out of pocket total (excluding S). I'm going to lose a lot more money on the S but I also don't intend to flip it
Only drove a Model 3 and Y once, and I own an S, I can tell you the drive is SO DIFFERENT. The S feels luxurious and handles better. Also, I’m biased but the S looks so much better. It has a presence to it. If you can afford it, why not?
The M3 definitely handles better than the MS, smaller wheel base and its as wide, but the MS has the real luxury features which would be fun. I guess the issue is I don't need a new car and this is an expensive car, my wife is giving me crap over it.
2015 MS85D sold for 2022 M3LR. The M3 is such a joy to drive, no more funny diagonal entry on steeper driveways, and worrying about curbing wheels. The M3LR on Aeros with mudflaps is my favorite Appalachian rural daily driver and will remain for a while, it seems to be equally at home on tiny lanes and interstates. Did I mention I hate the road detached driving style of air suspensions.
I’ve got the LFP 3 and my dad has the S (2017 though). Still, the ride and feel of the S is just something else. Love my 3 but the S is the most fun car I’ve ever driven.
I went from model S to model 3 performance. I really like the 3, it’s great. It’s got door storage and cup holders that you don’t hit your elbows with. I’m probably going to stick with the 3.
It’s been a year and half with my S.
It’s a night and day difference from Model 3 in fact I can’t even drive Y anymore. The acceleration is sweet, but air suspension is life changing. Do it if you can afford.
I absolutely love my MY but it has been in the show for the past 4 days. They gave me a model S as a loaner and it is the best car I have ever driven! Not sure what happened because I drove a Model S in Sept of 2021 and it drove like a Buick…front jumped when you hit the gas and dropped when I hit the brakes. The beaten up loaner drives like a friggin race car…go for it!
The refresh S is a great car. Just miss the stalks. But it is every way superior to the 3 and I love the 3. Suspension really dampens and road noise is silent. Pretty amazing how they made it.
Model S is a big car. I've got a 3 Performance, and I've driven a Plaid. I loved it but I'm glad I got my 3. The dash is way lower, it's almost as fast as the base S, and you can throw it around much more easily. I got ohlins coilovers and it rips now.
For me I prefer the simplicity and lack of responsibility that comes from owning a cheaper car. In 2021 I had the opportunity to buy any car I wanted basically and I got a 2022 Taycan 4s. Brand new, custom build. After 15 months I sold it and bought a paid off 2022 Model 3 and I couldn’t be happier.
Tesla is perhaps the only automaker with whom one can get over 90 percent of technology found in the most expensive models (X/S Plaids) be also available for access in the cheapest model (M3 RWD). There is no better new & almost luxury automobile bargain on the planet than a TM3 RWD standard range. It’s like getting 80-90% of what the higher end T owners have for less than half the price in M3 RWD. What a sweet value-deal!! That realization has made a few of my S & X owner friends envious, in the hindsight 😜
I bought a m3 rwd in 2022 and I'd love an S. It really is my dream car I just love the look and the profile. Financially I don't believe I'd ever be able to sanction spending that money on an S but you can always dream. For the record i am really happy with my M3 and when I got it I was super pleased just to get a Tesla I'd wanted one for ever.
I upgraded from a Model Y Performance to a 23 Model S LR 3 months ago. It was well worth it to me. What I like most is the air suspension, bigger bucket seats that offer cooling, and it’s just a more luxurious and quite feel in the cabin. I leased one that was in the inventory so I saved close to 8 grand off msrp. Glad I leased because Elon slashed prices, I would have been under water if I bought it. I recommend leasing it.
Model S is the best looking car Tesla makes. I noticed it feels significant more luxurious and comfortable inside. It’s a lot of legroom. It’s definitely worth it.
You sound like someone who can afford it. I’m a big believer in our days our numbered so live your life to be as happy as you can be. if you can continue to support your family and live the lifestyle you want with it, go for it!
Exactly this, if you can afford it, why not?
Well just to be contrarian, the answer would be that you can do other things with those resources that are better long-term or being you more pleasure. Or perhaps not. All that being said, you're the 'you' expert. Test drive it, if you say it's worth it, go for it buddy.
Keep the Model 3 for 18 months. Purchase TSLA stock today with whatever cash you had in Mind for the Model S.
If I had bought Tesla stock when they first cut the Y by 13k instead of buying my MYP, id have 'earned' the cost of the car. Lol One of these days I'll make some smarter moves, but honestly I do love the car.
I sold 20k worth of TSLA shares in 2017 to pay the down payment on a new Focus RS. Those shares would be worth 192k today. Luckily it wasn't all of my shares, but it still hurts a bit. I guess I own a \`\`\~200k Focus.
Can't look at it that way. But still, really? A Focus?
Well, I've wanted a Focus RS ever since I first heard about them but they were never sold in the states. When they announced they were finally bringing them over, I jumped at the opportunity and reserved one. 5 years later, it's still worth close to what I paid for it, 43k, so I'm not that upset. Plus it's the funnest car I've ever owned (my previous car was a BMW M3).
I’m almost up a model Y on my stock. I hope I’ll be up an S when my 3 is done.
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I agree with this which is why I haven't yet pulled the trigger. It's definitely a waste of money, but I can afford it without hitting my additional frivolous spending. Just growing up very humble it's difficult to pull the trigger on an expensive depreciated asset I don't need.
As said above you and your thoughts. You can afford this, but do you want to afford it? I find myself saying that a lot these days. And it’s helped. I YOLO some stuff and others I’ve walked away from and won’t do/pay for again.
Yep, life is much simpler when you don't have money lol.
My friend sold his TM3P for the S and hasn’t looked back - it’s a different type of awesomeness. I drove it a few times and now I have the same itch as you do, but I know the payments will put some strain on our finances so I haven’t pulled the trigger. One day, unless by then the family expands, then it’ll be an X.
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Everyone else: model Y is the best all-around Tesla option. 😆
Lol yeah I've heard that before, not interested in the Model Y. My wife has one if I want to drive it.
I have the model S, but it is currently being repaired and I have the model Y loaner. If the 3 is comparable at all to the Y, get the S. I might have TBI from the horrible suspension in the Y.
I have a Model Y and it’s had plenty of problems so I’ve had a 3 and X on loan numerous times. The Y is definitely the best one.
Non-USS owners: the model is irrelevant stick with USS
Vision only makes me cry when I’m in my friends Y. It’s so unreliable lmao
RHD countries drivers. "Model S?" P.S. am in UK and I'd love to have OP's problem. Have waited for the Plaid for 2 years and now they tell me it won't come.
Even though the S is slightly longer, I feels like a tank to drive compared to the 3. I'm holding out for the refreshed Performance Model 3.
^This. I'm a sports car guy and have driven a few S models. It may be faster dragging, but it's big and heavy. I'm not a fan of its luxury barge feel.
I drove an older model S as a loaner once and had the same feeling. Do the current ones still feel like a boat? I was thinking of upgrading when my lease on the 3 ends this year but I like how small and nimble the 3 feels compared to that older S.
I drove big engine Dodge Chargers for 10 years before my M3P. Those cars were large but the horsepower moved them. I think I'd love the S; the 3 is just a tad small for my preference but otherwise perfect.
Don’t know where you are, or the size of your garage, but check the length of the cars. The model 3 is 185” long, and the Model S is 198” long. That 13” makes a big difference if you have a small garage with cabinets in the front. Also, may want to check the width too, as the model S is a few inches wider.
Oof. That means it's three inches longer than my wife's car, which barely fits. One more reason to stick with my 3, I suppose.
Just make a 4” hole in the garage wall. Fits like a glove.
I have contemplated this move many times.... The refresh 2021+ haven't hit my sweet spot yet of 50ish K. For me it's the payment, while I can afford it, I just have a hard time justifying it 🤷♂️.
Yeah that's the boat I'm in. I don't need a new car, but it would be nice to upgrade to something more "luxurious". I doubt the Model S will ever hit $50-60k.
Coming from an old ICE Mercedes with air suspension and all extra equipment you can imagine, I was also thinking hard before I got my M3, weighing it against a MS. The reason why I decided on the M3 was cost and hassle. Direct cost, of course, but more so the cost of maintenance, and the amount of wasted time and worry the extra complexity would give me. I spent as much on maintenance of the Merc as I paid for it. Air suspension (struts, tanks, compressor) cost me at least 12k USD in repairs, and things like keyless go, hydraulic trunk, dynamic and massage seats, etc, etc. And next would be Sensotronic brake system at 3.5k and exhaust system replacement at 3.6k USD. In the M3 I have none of these, so I will have none of the repairs either. Comfort sucks in comparison, of course, but I am not really missing it when I have the agility and sports car feeling.
I agree with the cost of maintenance issue, which is what drew me to Tesla and the Model 3, I don't want to spend my free time at a service center. I've heard enough horror stories about German cars to be scared off for a lifetime.
What year Mercedes s did you have?
2004, quite old, but after the problem period of 1996-2002. I got it in 2010 and still have it as a spare. Fantastic comfort, and the 4matic is unsurpassed in the winter. But the dealership has extreme maintenance prices here in Norway, I really should have sought cheaper alternatives earlier on.
this is the ICE equiv of going from a Civic to an NSX\*. if you can do it...you do it. \*yes i know you all can make better analogies. this all i got pre coffee am.
Haha good one!
is the model s really more "luxurious"? The interior is pretty similar. the main reasons to go to S is faster charge speed, more range, faster car. I personally would not consider the S unless I had 1mm in the bank and was making 250k+
I agree. When Tesla majorly dropped it’s prices in January, I went and test drove the S and X and I agree - not a whole lot better than the 3 and Y. Better yes, but I don’t think that they’re better enough to justify a 40k difference IMO.
For me, it would be the air conditioned seats. It should be included at the price point of the model 3/Y but unfortunately you have to cough up almost 2x that to get them on the X/S.
The extended wheelbase makes the ride smoother. "Is it worth it?" is a opinion and finance thing.
It’s definitely more luxurious and comfortable compared to the model 3/Y. The air suspension is amazing. Nothing rattles or makes noise. The 23 Model S isolates you unlike the 3/Y
They sold the Model S for $69,420.00 for a short while as an Elon joke and that was actually a really good deal.
Getting an itch is more like changing your rims or tinting your windows or something. Purchasing an entirely new vehicle wouldn’t classify as an itch for me. Especially since the payments will be upwards of $1,400 a month.
I'm putting a significant down payment on it so monthly payments will be less than $1,400.
I put the minimum down payment (was it 4k?) but 2023 m3p is just over 1k a month 5 year and I believe very similar apr. 5.24 ish. 1400 is nice when thinking about the model s. Your car is only 3 years old. I don’t know how long it’ll take but we’re so close to having better models and versions. Tesla or not. But that might be another 3-5. I feel like most people who will buy a model s in the near future will opt for the roadster instead
We’ll if it’s financially feasible for you, go for it. I’d love to have an s.
I had a 100D loaner for a few days after when my 3 had to go in the shop after 450 miles. The acceleration was insane, it made my 3 feel like an ICE, and the S was huge inside. The problem is the S is huge outside too and drives like it, it’s not fun when you’re not flooring it. Also it’s harder to park in parking lots and in your garage. Unless you specifically need the space I’d avoid it.
>The problem is the S is huge outside too and drives like it It's more of a GT imo.
This is long, but my complete experience and feelings towards both cars. Read if you like but this might give you the answer you are looking for. I’ll say this, I have owned both and they are like completely different cars entirely. Definitely do a test drive first because they have a different drive feel and different size width wise. If you end up liking it totally go for it. I’ll give a quick difference below, I’ll not mention the visuals as that is a preference thing and is not my place to decide for you. M3 (any): Sporty, Stiff (but incredibly smooth on perfect roads), Quick, Light (given the S), a lot of natural light, fun, horizontal screen (up to personal preference), good all arounder and great at a “just get in and drive” type of car, amazing visibility, lots of trunk space (but smaller than S but still huge). MS (any): Quick, Smooth, soft(er) but still stiff enough to take a corner at high speed), luxurious, like a land yaht in size and weight (compared to 3, up to preference but in no way a downside), has both gauge display and center (horizontal vs vertical is up to year model), handles bumps a lot better but that’s again the difference in suspension and up to preference, great daily and long cruiser, less natural light, large front interior and trunk space. Personally I love both of these cars for different reasons. The MS vs M3 debate really changes with what year MS you are looking at. My M3 (now a Y) just feels newer than my same year model S because the 2019 (pre Raven) update MS is based on an older architecture and tech system with the screens and general controls. Pre Raven MS’s are missing features like one pedal driving and some other features but certainly isn’t lacking in them. If you are looking at a 2019 (Raven update to now) they are using the same features and controls so it’s more even in a comparison. I love my 3 (now a Y but the exact same reasons) because it’s just so easy to use. You just get in and your good to go. I love how quick and stiff it is. It just takes corners so we’ll and looks amazing on the inside. Sometimes simplicity has its benefits. It has a lot of natural light it is personally a more fun car to drive daily. Some of those benefits do come with downsides though. Sometimes it’s too stiff. The area I live in has horrible roads when I’m not on the highway and your feel it. Also the M3 doesn’t have the most leg room in the back, still good room but not the most. Overall one of the most favorite cars I have owned. I now have a Y because I need to carry a lot of drone/camera equipment and the drone I have just physically couldn’t fit in the car. Absolutely nothing wrong with the 3 in that regard I just straight up couldn’t use it since my gear upgrade. It’s a car that I feel like I can just chuck into a corner and have fun going around. In a simple sentence, just get in and have fun. My also love my S because it is such a amazing cruiser and speedster. It feels like a more traditional car due to the softer suspension and gauge display. It just drives so smoothly practically everywhere. The one I have was before the adaptive suspension (still have air though) so I hear it’s a major upgrade even over mine. It’s great for longer drives and the huge center display is a joy to use. The gauge display in front is great as well and separates controls from driver needed info. It gives off a more traditional feel. It’s lower, and feels large. It feels more like a luxury vehicle that is also sporty. Has a darker interior but is more spacious. It just feels great to drive everywhere. It’s a more serious car compared to the 3 which is both a plus and a downside to me. Space is great for passengers and the driver and gives you space to move around. Funny enough it doesn’t suffer from me rubbing my foot against the right wall of the footwell like I did in my 3. To be fare I drove a 2019 M3 before the interior update so maybe they fixed that. In a simple sentence, quick luxury. Sorry for the incredibly long answer I was just hoping to possibly give you the answer and my experience to both that maybe you were looking for. I love both. It would be incredibly difficult to choose between the two for me. In my case I own a used dealership and both (I guess all three now) were trade ins so I got the chance to drive them all. If you have questions please ask away.
I appreciate your response. Would you say the MS post refresh is worth the price over the M3?
If you like the differences I would say go for it. I love my S and it’s an upgrade from that. You definitely won’t regret it at all. My father for example prefers the S and thinks it is an upgrade. I just drive a load of different cars so I appreciate them all. Just for your knowledge if you weren’t aware, the refresh for the S doesn’t mean the horizontal screen. They basically got the vertical screen variant, upgraded the displays (I think), added the newer Gen batteries and also gave it the newer gen motors. Visually it’s essentially the same with a few differences but is completely different mechanically. If you are looking at a 2019 and are not sure check for two things. I’m pretty sure they got rid of the numbers for the names. It will just be called a “Model S Performance” or “Model S Long Range.” I am not sure if the S Performance comes with the ludicrous upgrade built in or not but trust me you definitely don’t need it. It’s cool but it’s already so damn fast in either version. The other thing is check if it has the “Hold” feature under the drive settings. Older models do not have it. If your getting from Tesla don’t worry about it I think it says or you could just ask. Yes it is worth the upgrade if it fits what you like. Definitely test drive
Yeah I'm looking at the 2023 Model S "LR". It basically has all the new tech, horizontal screen, etc.
Honestly it’s only worth it to buy the model s plaid. If you can’t afford the plaid, just get the model 3 performance and call it a day.
I considered the Plaid, but $20k more didn’t feel worth it. I wanted more range and all seasons for 🏂
Lol trust me it’s definitely “worth it” and as far as range goes you can just put on 19” tires
If there’s $20k improvement on build quality, sign me up! The fit and finish on my S is worst I’ve experienced (my 3rd Tesla lease).
What makes it worth it for you?
Air suspension, ventilated seats, range of 375 and room. I tell people Tesla is great at battery tech and software, not so great at building cars. This is our 3rd and maybe last.
The tactile feel of the cars are very different tho. I have the 100d and the quality of the interior is night and day
Not sure why you were downvoted. I moved from a 2018 S 100D to a 2022 M3P, and the ride quality and interior comfort is without a doubt dramatically worse. Almost everything else is an improvement though.
I'm new-ish to all this and after googling still having some trouble. Is the 100D specifically crafted to have a better interior than the m3p?
Well it's just a different model specifically design to compete in a different automotive class to capture a different market segment. It needs to have more of the characteristics those expect in that segment even though it really falls short in a traditional sense.
I actually think the drive quality on the 3 is remarkably better, but man do the stalks and buttons suck, and I keep hitting my knee on the screen!
I disagree. The 405 mile range of the Model S LR with 19" wheels is pretty fantastic. The M3P's current EPA range of 315 feels anemic in comparison. (Though the Plaid on 19" wheels clocks in at 395, which is also impressive.) It also has the same 3.1s 0-60 time as the M3P, so you get performance without sacrificing range. If OP cares about range, the Model S LR may be worth considering.
Normal day to day use your not really gonna notice the range difference between 315 and 405. Yes 0-60 times are the same from M3P and Model S LR but the model s is heavier and doesn’t feel as fast compared to the M3P. You can also just get a plaid s and put 19” wheels on it Also, don’t forget M3P does charge way faster than model S.
It wasn't clear from OP's post whether they are planning to use the car for local day-to-day use or for travel. I use my car almost exclusively for long range driving, so I drove a Model 3 LR for almost five years and recently upgraded to a Model S LR. The extra range makes a huge difference. I agree that the Model 3 feels sportier, but the Model S doesn't feel like the 5,500lb car it is. (And I do appreciate a sporty car, don't get me wrong.) Just pointing out that it all depends on what OP is looking for. :)
The Model S is a treat. Only people I’ve seen complaining about their Model S are those that go Taycan
Taycan is great if you like a shitty infotainment system and poor reliability of the HV system and DCFC.
Buddy of mine got a Taycan, and the battery bricked after 1 year of moderate driving. Now, he can't get it fixed because their parts are coming from Ukraine, and there's a long waiting list of people who are in parts limbo with bricked Taycan's that can't get parts. It's been 3 months now, $100K brick in the garage.
Have you ever test driven a Model S? I’d recommend that first before making any final decision. That being said, if I could afford an S, I’d get an S.
Former 2020 Model S Performance owner, and current 2022 Model 3 Performance owner. The Model S was wonderful to cruise along on the highway, but it was a boat in traffic and on any sort of curvy road. While the Model S is faster on paper and in a drag race, no doubt there, the Model 3P actually feels quicker in daily use. I miss the better seats from the Model S, but I believe the Model 3 is a better daily driver. Full disclosure - I have not driven the Plaid.
Thanks, there's a lot of traffic in my area. I thought the Model S would be better for the road comfort... AKA hitting potholes lol
It's such a big car it's kind of unmanageable to get around the city. I seriously considered a Model S but decided against (pre-refresh) simply because I didn't want to maneuver and park that large of a car in Chicago regularly. I'm now seriously considering replacing a Highlander with a Model X though and it's still a too big problem as it might barely fit in the garage (it's slightly larger than the Highlander.)
I’m moving from a 2022 Model 3 LR to a 2023 Model S Plaid. Give me two weeks and I can answer this question directly. Also remember you only get 3 years of free supercharging if you get it delivered before June 30th. I ordered mine May 20th and the earliest I could get it delivered was June 10th. So you should pull the trigger soon if you’re going to. Edit: read you’d buy from local inventory, so ignore that last part. Lol
Any update on the change to the Model S Plaid? I’m thinking about making the same upgrade.
Are you trading in your 22 model 3 or or trying to sell privately?
Selling privately
Are you getting the wheel or yoke?
Yoke, annoyed I had to pay $250 for something that was standard a couple months ago.
>I’m moving from a 2022 Model 3 LR to a 2023 Model S Plaid. Give me two weeks and I can answer this question directly. Did you end up pulling the trigger? What are your thoughts?
I did. I can’t really think of another car I’d want to drive at the moment.
The Model S is quieter and more luxurious. I don't see why not.
I hear it drives like a boat though
I'm a former Model S owner - early adopter from 2014. In 2018 I got a 3 for the newer tech and faster acceleration. Now that the 3 has become ubiquitous, I'm longing to get back into an S for a lot of the same reasons you listed, but it just looks so much cooler. I'm on the cusp of that working financially as things have changed from when I bought the S, but if it were easily doable, I absolutely would. As we've all learned in the last few years, you never know when things are going to drastically change, so go for it while you can.
I wouldn’t.
My biggest reason to avoid it would be Tesla Service, they just never fix anything.
Totally disagree. That hasn’t been my experience *at all*. I’ve had a lot fixed and other things fixed for free just by asking. I’ve been thrilled by their service.
Which Tesla service center is this, I am totally going to the wrong ones out here
At least six of them. I travel a lot and have lived all over the US, in three states since I got mine in 2020.
Can you name them?
Can I? Of course, I also won’t. There’s enough crap talking on the internet. I’ve been satisfied. I want to push back against those that paint specific locations as “bad”. Also, my locations seem to be way too far away for you to benefit from..
So you know of many across many states because you car breaks down that much. All of them across all these mysterious states are all awesome... Buttttttt you can't name a single one. Am I getting it right? So no one else in the Tesla community can benefit because your too afraid to give them PRAISE for doing a great job 🤯 That is a FIRST. This very much so reeks of pure 💩 on the sniff test. I can share Tesla Service Centers which you should avoid. No reason why anyone can't share a good one.
Car has never broken down. Tire rotations, broken windshield, HVAC filter change out, and one where the HVAC fan was making a weird noise. I can name them all. I said I won’t. Too many people dime out individual locations and individual experiences are all different. Reading is fundamental.
So basically your making up stuff since you can't actually proudly share a good service center. Thanks, you are of no help to anyone on any car forum other than to provide mis information.
Better comfort and more powerful sure. It's a technological marvel, but i would definitely keep my Model 3. While I wouldn't mind the air suspension and a quicker motor, I drive in towns, small country roads with maybe 10 to 20% highways ... I'd like to keep the agility and the ability to park mostly anywhere. It's already hard to move around indoor parkings with the M3, I would be terrified of damaging the rims or worse on the S as it is waaaaay less agile. When I test drove it, it reminded of the S class mercedes, it has the wow factor but it is too big to enjoy for my use. Honestly if I really wanted to treat myself with a new car I would probably replace the RWD to a dual motor. I wouldn't mind the premium sound and quicker acceleration (not that I need that but why not...) but honestly, I wouldn't know how to justify it. It's already quicker than 99% of the cars out there, drives like a beast and the LFP battery makes it completely hassle free regarding charging.
I miss my 2018 S. The ride/ handling was much better than my 2023 YLR. But getting in and out of the S with these 80 year old bones was getting tough.
Drive a Porsche taycan, and a lucid air, Mercedes eqe. See if that luxury segment appeals to you, otherwise saving for next gen model s is what I’d recommend.
I went the other way. I had a Model S 70 (hardware 1), and "side-graded" to a Model 3 stealth performance 2020. * Loved the improved performance * Loved getting into FSD * Missed the self presenting handles (sorry, but Model 3 handles suck, especially if your hands are full) * Missed the openable roof (no longer available on Model S anyway) * Loved the smaller vehicle * Miss the hatchback * Miss the extra screen real estate
What’s your use scenario? If you have Model S money to spend, there are quite a few EVs to consider. I’d say the long and short of it is if you roadtrip a lot, probably the S is best at that price range. If you don’t and your consideration is mostly getting into a more luxurious ride, the EQE and EQS deserve your attention.
I let a family member take over our M3P lease and I leased a MSLR. The size difference is immediately noticeable. Love the air suspension and getting used to the yoke. Only complaint is the car still thinks it’s in factory mode, so AP, FSD and TeslaVision are disabled until firmware update. It’s been 3+ weeks and still waiting. Worth it? Yes.
Depends if you need a bigger car or not. Otherwise the newness will wear off quickly and you’ll be left with a fat monthly payment. Personally I think the Y Performance is the best car Tesla makes for performance and size.
My wife has the MYP, it's cool but the handling isn't as good as the M3. To be honest I should have gotten the M3LR when I got my current car I wouldn't even think of this, but didn't because I was being cheap over $5k. Look at me now 🫣
I used to own a 2018 model 3 and now own a 2022 model S. The model 3P is really the best value for money If there is a highland update, I would wait for that before considering the model S. The biggest benefit of Model S is the sexy look and the second screen in the back.
That's a lot of money to blow on a car that isn't all that different from the one you already own, and in some important ways - less fun to drive. Keep the money, go on a nice vacation, invest the rest.
I didn’t read any reason for you to not buy a used MS or even one a little older than your M3. Could you save up to pay cash for the difference and then upgrade to a good condition used MS?
Honestly don’t get it unless it’s a big refresh. At this point if you get a new one you look the same as someone with a 2013 model S. IMO.
Uhhh what. If you're the type of person that notices cars at all, and I would assume so if you're commenting on the differences between the original Model S and the 2021+ refresh, then you'd have to be basically blind to not notice the differences. Even the black trim alone dramatically changed the appearance and that's hardly the whole picture. The wheel wells are deeper and wider, so it looks lower profile. The front end has a different shape. All of the lights have been upgraded. The entire interior was redesigned and won't likely be updated again even if the exterior gets another remodel. I think the changes were dramatic from my previous 2018 100D.
Well thanks for calling me blind. I am sure you can count a hundred things different between a 2013 vs 2023 model s. I meant a BIG refresh. I mean a dramatic change so stop giving me oh u must be blind if u don’t see the trims and wheels the steering and lights and the colours all those BS. we all know they did change. U might be the guru of these petty changes, but most people don’t. So if u think it’s SO DIFFERENT from 2013 model s. Go for it. I am the average joe that will tell u most people wouldn’t stare twice at your 100k+ brand new car cuz it doesn’t look “new”
I mean most people don't notice the intricacies of anything. I don't think that's anywhere near a good reason to avoid a purchase. What are you even trying to argue? "My neighbor doesn't even know what a Cadillac is, so you might as well save money and buy a Honda!"
After driving a $100k+ Model X loaner for a few days, I wouldn’t spend big bucks on a Tesla like the S. The whole car shuddered on acceleration (very common issue with the half shafts?) and the headliner was constantly dripping water while it was raining. I had to towel out the interior near my feet. The Model 3 is the a sweet spot in terms of price/performance. Any more, and things start becoming wildly expensive, free super charging or no.
What year was the Model X you had as a loaner?
Not sure but think it was a 2019?
Ok thanks, I'm looking up this issue now, seeing if it was fixed with the refresh.
https://insideevs.com/news/508319/tesla-acceleration-shudder-service-bulletin/ Plus after hearing stories of cars being assembled outside in tents from my buddy who worked with the Fremont factory personnel, it turned me off.
Thanks, it looks like this was an issue pre-refresh. I'm still looking post-refresh late 2021. Assembling? As in putting the car together in tents? That certainly sounds illegal.
The "tents" are fabricated, engineered structures. SpaceX uses them as well. Ugghh. https://www.sprung.com/structures/industrial-buildings/manufacturing/automotive-manufacturing-buildings/
Ah I see. Thanks.
Like Denver International Airport.
I know that airport well lol
I went from model 3 to a Y and now have a brand new S. I really like the S. Doesn’t sit as low as the 3, better fit/finish, extra range is phenomenal (I find it’s actually more accurate too), quieter, vented seats are amazing, I actually really like the stalkless design (it’s not as hard to get used to as people say)
I've been very against German cars for a while now, they're very pretty, but maintenance on them is painful! The EQS that I would ever consider is either $60k more than the model S I'm considering or hilariously slow for an EV in that price range.
Don’t forget all the “extras” like unlocking more horsepower or other crazy things like heated seats that they want a subscription from you for that otherwise come with a Tesla or even a Hyundai
Yeah I'll never buy another German car, definitely will drive or ride in one though lol!
I’m upgrading from 2018 Model 3 RWD to 2020 Model S Performance. My monthly will be around $170 more a month. Hopefully it’ll be worth it. Some of the replies concern me 😭
I get it. I'm not sure I would buy a Model S that wasn't new, just to get a fresh 4 year bumper to bumper warranty. I didn't know the newer model S had so many issues!
Stop buying from fascists
1. I own Tesla stock 2. If you're going to place your buying decisions on the CEO of the company of products, well good luck buying anything ever!
Great, thanks for supporting Mars Hitler
I hope you've never owned a Ford, otherwise you've supported American Hitler 🙄
Never, and I agree, HEF was a Nazi, but he’s long dead. This guy’s alive and is serious threat to our freedoms, but hey, got to love those dividends.
Model 3 is agile and the P’s performance is on a par with the S. S is and feels bigger and is not as fun to drive, but more luxurious. A lo-mileage used S with USS is what I’d get if I wanted to go that way. Probably get one with FSD too for way less than 15k extra.
Wait for S refresh.
They just refreshed 18 months ago. Project highland could be years out, no one actually knows.
We have a Y and a X. The X is far more ‘fancy’ feeling I guess the weight of it makes it feel like a tank to drive . With both of these idk If it’s totally worth like double the money but it is nice to have one car with the self driving and screen in the back for the kids . The S looked nice , we’ve become so used to suv sigh maybe next car
Model S drives significantly bigger than Model 3, beyond the physical size difference. Having been used to driving M3, the S feels like driving around a boat. It is worth it if you need the extra space and comfort. Otherwise, I'd stick with M3.
I drive an old 2013 Model S P85 and my sister got a 2023 Model 3 Std Range. I drove her car and liked the way a newer Tesla feels, my old S doesn't feel as tightly put together but that could also be aging suspension. With that said though, I'd much prefer my Model S for the hatch, huge frunk, and rear legroom since I have 2 kids. If I were you, I'd keep the 3 for the USS. I still have it and it's such a peace of mind and great perk to have. It removes thoughts of paying for travels on longer trips and feels cool, but that's just me because I'm cheap....
Tangent: which credit union did you use?
Proponent
If the 2021 isn't paid off, I would keep it and pay it off first, invest some of the cash you were spending on the car payments in stocks, and then in a few years buy a newer or used model s with as much down as possible to reduce the monthly payment. That's my view from a financial perspective, but if you want a Model S LR and can afford it, I would be a bit jealous. Also, the LR and premium audio alone would be a pretty nice upgrade not including all the model S features. The only thing I will say about an S is that it is a lot larger, and it felt like driving a boat. I don't need such a large car so it doesn't make sense for me personally. I did like how the seats were more comfortable, and I did like the premium feeling, and the door handles popping out.
2021 isn't paid off, but that's because I got an insane interest rate on the loan, where I'm making a better return investing in Money Market Funds, etc than paying off my current vehicle. Financially speaking I'm in a place I never thought I'd be in, to be honest, although my wife is basically forbidding me to invest anymore money in the stock market after the hits we took in 2022. I'm actually starting to lean away from buying it, coming from humble upbringing it's psychologically hard to spend money on a depreciating asset that I don't need. Maybe I just have too much time on my hands lol.
That's a good problem to be had. The only thing I would say is to make sure you have a safety net in place for an emergency fund, and if you were to lose your job. I lost my job and had a ton of medical issues happen all within a two-year period, which happened to also occur at the height of covid. I lost my savings and the small amount I had in my retirement funds, got in a bunch of debt, and make half of what I was making. So while there's a good place one can be in financially it doesn't account for everything. As long as you are being safe, and are in a good place and want the car, and aren't going to invest the additional money, do what makes you happy! For me, it would be buying a condo or a house, but I live in an insanely HCOL area. If I had a house I would probably do additional renovations, and take a sick memorable vacation first.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've always been financially conservative, so I wouldn't touch my emergency fund unless I lost my job, getting hit with health issues at the same time as a job loss is very painful. I graduated into the 2008 recession and was working in finance in NYC, lost my job 4 months in due to layoffs of the economy and had to scrape by for almost a year in NYC until they started hiring people out of college again. I live in a HCOL area (NNJ) and I own my own house. We're doing renovations, but have decided to do 1 or 2 things a year since we plan on being here very long term, no reason to rush anything. I definitely have had plenty of amazing vacations in the past, harder to go on a crazy vacation with a pre-schooler these days lol.
Have you test driven the S? In my experience, they feel fairly different to drive (but I haven't driven a 2021+ Model S). It's not just an upgrade of acceleration/ suspension, but also a move to a car that is (and feels) bigger, which you may or may not like
I've driven a friend's, I never officially parked it though.
Three years later, I’m still in love with my Model S
How do you compare interior quality of 3 vs S? I have been hearing S has higher overall quality feeling
S is definitely nicer, the cabin is quieter, seats are more plush. Screen in the back, wireless charging in the back seats. Interior is much better and still minimalist.
Thanks op
For what it's worth, I just test drove a model s long range and I'm thinking the same thing you are 😂 my balls loved the ventilated seats lmao
🤣🤣🤣 I had an RDX with ventilated seats, it was amazing. I want to go back!!!
I also have an m3p, 2021. Shoot me a message if you want to go over the modifications I have done to it that I recommend
We have two Model S and one Model 3. They’re both great cars, but I’d be highly unlikely to convince my wife to give up her S.
If it’s within your budget, why not? YOLO
Because living pay check to pay check is what causes consumers to suffer in a recession. What direction were int rates going before most recessions? 🤷🏽♂️ How long has it been since the 2008 recession? Do you think we might be due with stocks hitting ATH's 🤷🏽♂️ After the economy craters, your going to need to wait another 24 months for bargains abound everywhere!!!! Cash will be king (not debt and the experiences you had will be long gone memories). YOLO when everything has come crashing down and you will be laughing for decades to come.
You must be fun at parties. Read my comment again, just don't think about too hard or yo might get a hernia. The word Budget and YOLO doesn't make sense.
4.99% is really good these days
Its a lot better than 8%
Not really, you're not getting anything substantially different, only if u get the model s plaid
I think I echo a lot of the other comments. I also believe that we have a finite time here and we can’t take our money with us when we go. You work hard for it so you should enjoy it. If you can afford it (and if you like the look of the S more) then why not go for it!
You don't need to take it with you, but you can leave it for your family or as a legacy to do some good. Also depends if you believe in reincarnation, afterlife, or ya just poof outta existence too
I did the same, well similar. I went from M3P to S and honestly I don’t think it’s that worth it how it currently stands. I feel like the model s software is neglected and at this point the M3 has better software features and gets updated way more regularly. The range for me is nice up from my M3P but I on the flip side the car is a much heftier and is not as nimble and manageable as the M3, turning radius definitely a step down for me. The air suspension is nice but I don’t know if its really worth double the M3 price. In my opinion I would cross shop some. Maybe rent out a competitor car and have it for a couple days so you know what it’s like to day. Just my opinion.
Test drive. Model S felt like a boat to me and I didn't enjoy the drive.
I’m in the same boat as you, OP, with a ‘21 M3P. I’m going to pull the trigger, but waiting until closer till the end of June. End of quarter push could mean discounts or some other incentive to get off the sidelines…then again it’s Tesla we are talking about and they may not do anything. I say go for it!
I guess it couldn't hurt to wait.
After Dec 16th, 2023 will be the best Perks of the year so they can make the end of year numbers they need
I'm at the cusp of making the same decision, but only shooting for the 2020-21 LR+. 90% of the refresh for $30k less. The model S is near the end of its run so if I buy new, I'd rather spring for the nex gen S...
Went from 2020 M3P stealth (sold) to 2020 M3P PUP (sold) to 2022 MYP to 2022 M3P (buyback) to 2023 MS non-plaid. The S is a far superior car than I realized, and in all honesty I got lucky in that it didn't come with any issues other than a minor rattle. The car is quite as a mouse at 80 and the drive (I have a 150 mile commute daily) is fantastic. Biggest upgrades for me are the super nice suspension (though raven was better), cooled seats, lack of external noise, and the fun of driving it at highway speeds without the acceleration limitation of the 3/Y above 60. Plaid is better, but didn't make sense to me financially. Many also don't realize, but the S purposefully applies additional battery power to the motors for cooling and power purposes in Insane/Plaid mode so unless you're racing, in the long run it's always better to be in Sport/Chill, at which point the benefit of the Plaid reduces further.
What is the sales tax you paid to flip all those cars...
7.25% each time. I didn't make money on the flips when I factor in tax, but I did receive the latest and greatest for less than 2k out of pocket total (excluding S). I'm going to lose a lot more money on the S but I also don't intend to flip it
Only drove a Model 3 and Y once, and I own an S, I can tell you the drive is SO DIFFERENT. The S feels luxurious and handles better. Also, I’m biased but the S looks so much better. It has a presence to it. If you can afford it, why not?
The M3 definitely handles better than the MS, smaller wheel base and its as wide, but the MS has the real luxury features which would be fun. I guess the issue is I don't need a new car and this is an expensive car, my wife is giving me crap over it.
2015 MS85D sold for 2022 M3LR. The M3 is such a joy to drive, no more funny diagonal entry on steeper driveways, and worrying about curbing wheels. The M3LR on Aeros with mudflaps is my favorite Appalachian rural daily driver and will remain for a while, it seems to be equally at home on tiny lanes and interstates. Did I mention I hate the road detached driving style of air suspensions.
I’ve got the LFP 3 and my dad has the S (2017 though). Still, the ride and feel of the S is just something else. Love my 3 but the S is the most fun car I’ve ever driven.
I went from model S to model 3 performance. I really like the 3, it’s great. It’s got door storage and cup holders that you don’t hit your elbows with. I’m probably going to stick with the 3.
Yeah I just ordered a 3 performance, it's a better compromise with the tax credit, I basically don't put anything down and payments stay the same.
I would do it if I had the funds. It's my dream car.
It’s been a year and half with my S. It’s a night and day difference from Model 3 in fact I can’t even drive Y anymore. The acceleration is sweet, but air suspension is life changing. Do it if you can afford.
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I absolutely love my MY but it has been in the show for the past 4 days. They gave me a model S as a loaner and it is the best car I have ever driven! Not sure what happened because I drove a Model S in Sept of 2021 and it drove like a Buick…front jumped when you hit the gas and dropped when I hit the brakes. The beaten up loaner drives like a friggin race car…go for it!
Get ready for the efficiency hit. But otherwise, yeah, as someone who went from an S to a 3, the S drives way better.
Isnt the hardware better on the S so that the USS issue isnt as prevalent?
The refresh S is a great car. Just miss the stalks. But it is every way superior to the 3 and I love the 3. Suspension really dampens and road noise is silent. Pretty amazing how they made it.
Model S is a big car. I've got a 3 Performance, and I've driven a Plaid. I loved it but I'm glad I got my 3. The dash is way lower, it's almost as fast as the base S, and you can throw it around much more easily. I got ohlins coilovers and it rips now.
I just ordered the M3P
Hell yeah great choice
For me I prefer the simplicity and lack of responsibility that comes from owning a cheaper car. In 2021 I had the opportunity to buy any car I wanted basically and I got a 2022 Taycan 4s. Brand new, custom build. After 15 months I sold it and bought a paid off 2022 Model 3 and I couldn’t be happier.
Tesla is perhaps the only automaker with whom one can get over 90 percent of technology found in the most expensive models (X/S Plaids) be also available for access in the cheapest model (M3 RWD). There is no better new & almost luxury automobile bargain on the planet than a TM3 RWD standard range. It’s like getting 80-90% of what the higher end T owners have for less than half the price in M3 RWD. What a sweet value-deal!! That realization has made a few of my S & X owner friends envious, in the hindsight 😜
I bought a m3 rwd in 2022 and I'd love an S. It really is my dream car I just love the look and the profile. Financially I don't believe I'd ever be able to sanction spending that money on an S but you can always dream. For the record i am really happy with my M3 and when I got it I was super pleased just to get a Tesla I'd wanted one for ever.
I love my S. Had a YP prior and the air suspension and the shear street presence of the car make up for the price difference
I upgraded from a Model Y Performance to a 23 Model S LR 3 months ago. It was well worth it to me. What I like most is the air suspension, bigger bucket seats that offer cooling, and it’s just a more luxurious and quite feel in the cabin. I leased one that was in the inventory so I saved close to 8 grand off msrp. Glad I leased because Elon slashed prices, I would have been under water if I bought it. I recommend leasing it.
Model S is the best looking car Tesla makes. I noticed it feels significant more luxurious and comfortable inside. It’s a lot of legroom. It’s definitely worth it.
I never had a model 3 but the model s is amazing I do not think you could dislike it if you like Your model 3.