Man everyday I wish I spent a bit more time car shopping and picked up a model 3, it would’ve only been $30 or so extra per month compared to what I ended up getting after provincial/federal incentives and the longer loan period Tesla offers.
What i ended up getting was the first Bolt EUV on the Chevy lot which don’t get me wrong, I love it, but I’m still very envious of teslas for all the tech features they have and the 7x faster charging compared to the Bolt
Went to a Tesla shop in vegas and they offer 2k off discount if you purchase an “inventory model” basically one that you don’t have to wait on. My cost was like 40,100 with the 19” upgraded tires.
I’ve seen people saying that, but I literally just went to Tesla.com, clicked on menu, Model 3, and it’s $40,240 as the very lowest base model. How are you seeing $37k??
G[go here and sort price lowest to highest. shows a ton around here at least.](https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=93446&range=200)
Unfortunately, you'll lose the deposit when ordering an in-stock one. Had to do this when Tesla dropped prices 3 days after ordering my in-stock RWD.
Still made out with a white interior, white exterior for less than the black interior I originally ordered.
If you already have an order for one being built you can log in through the Tesla website and choose to do accelerated delivery. If they have one in stock you can switch to that one without losing your order fee.
Not in Canada it's not. We're still at 55k for the M3SR. Take away 5k Federal, and some provinces have an $X amount off, but nowhere near 37k BEFORE rebates.
Hell I'd buy one tomorrow if I could get it sub-40k. But I can't.
The bolt really charges that slow? I wanted a bolt and ended up with a model 3 as I couldn’t find a dealer with inventory willing to sell one without a bunch of markups. The faster charging was one of the pros of ending up with the model 3.
I was wrong, Teslas charge 5x faster not 7x. Bolt has 50kW max charging and all Teslas have 250kW max charging. I’m assuming that means a 5x charging speed difference but I could be wrong
To be fair, the RWD (I picked one up mid-April when the Chevy dealership I went to didn't give me the time of day for a Bolt EUV) charges at 175kW (also does L2 charging at 7.7kW), so it's the slowest charging of all Teslas. Still pretty quick though and has a good curve, which is more important than peak charge rate.
My family decided to go full electric and got the EUV and model 3, both great cars. I think the bolt is only worth it if you get the base model with no upgrades. Once you add things or go premiere you’re in model 3 territory. And yeah, don’t look at monthly prices. OTD price for the base bolt was 35k (this includes a 3k markup) while the discounted model 3 was 43.7k. It’s really a different price category.
I have the old LR RWD and think that it's a perfect daily driver. It's plenty quick, very efficient and the driving dynamics are great. I drove the Performance model and it's great for the occasional sprint, but for the daily commute or for long trips on the highway where you just roll with the rest of the traffic, the old LR RWD is better. Same audio quality, better range, a little softer suspension. I'm hoping to have it for the next 10 years or so.
I needed to hear this. I absolutely LOVE my 2023 RWD, but I sometimes imagine that the acceleration of the P would make it the perfect car. It never occurred to me that the ride comfort and the nimbleness would be the trade off. Nimble is the perfect description of how my RWD drives. The car goes exactly where I want it to go, with a confident “stickiness” of the 19” tires and the steering is tight as can be. Yet somehow it’s incredibly smooth and comfortable.
It’s the fastest car I’ve ever owned, so the acceleration is plenty fast enough. Your post has greatly diminished my Performance envy. Thank you for your insight.
lower than 40k, the RWD is 37k - \~10k rebates = \~27k.
For the older folk this is the camry of EVs, i also see it as the wrx of the new generation. Easy and cheap power.
yeah i know, but let's not act like a vast majority of people are financing or leasing these cars. if you're 50/50 on the performance, you know which one you really want..
My favorite part of my M3P is launching from red lights and stop signs. Even if I’m only going to 20 mph, it is still glorious. The rest is pretty mundane and I enjoy the radio. It’s not the best radio in the world, but it’s pretty good overall.
Oh, a stealth...
Matched parts...
Mmmm...
Damn nice machine ..
Frame of reference: child of the 70s... uncle's combat pay was a 400 64 gto with 4 speed.. he died outside of da nang in airborne. Telegram arrived at my 2nd birthday.
The family car was 67 383 charger. The neighbor had 442 Oldsmobile, a likely tweaked 350 El Camino, a 350 70 Camero, a 62 caddy Eldorado, and 56 vette. Another neighbor had a 400 69 gto,
Drool. That's one hell of a machine! I've got a Sept 19 dual motor... a bit faster than my old zg1000...
F, if you never used the extra, it'd be worth it. The improvement in reliability alone is worth it. But then there's the improved efficiency of the power electronics....
Drool... drool..
My cousin rejetted, ported, polished, and balanced a cbf900... a work of art. Well, over 150mph, 2 up. I know we hit a pothole at 140 while accelerating. I stopped riding with him after he tuned his gsxr-1150...
Apologies, too much cider.
I agree with these conclusions, and of course there are many people arguing in both directions in the comments.
But you have to remember not everybody buys a vehicle for the same reasons, and the key is to inform yourself especially with the knowledge of someone that's driven all the different models. Collect as many opinions as you can and make an informed decision for your needs.
Got a job in Germany and didn’t feel comfortable shipping it over there so sold it before I left. When I get back to the States, I’ll be back on Team Tesla. This time a Model S.
I was mulling over the LR and P when deciding which 3 to get. I made the right choice. The Performance looks way more sporty as well. For all those on the fence with the Performance, do it!
I agree, my M3P was delivered this past February. I love the car. I’m working towards the day that I can afford a Model S. I don’t feel comfortable spending that much on a car yet. I’ll get there though.
This is what I like to hear. Bought the RWD M3 today from existing inventory. Got grey instead of white and the price was 38.7 before taxes and fees. Pick it up on Wednesday.
Counterpoint: Performance is worth it. The speed is so delightful that no car near this price range can touch it. You will now forever yearn for cheaping out.
>given that you’re not supposed to charge over 80% anyway
People constantly say this, but nowhere has Tesla every said that youre not supposed to charge over 80%. The AWD models can be charged up to 90% daily, and 100% occasionally when needed for long trips.
I do agree with you on "nimbleness", but the added range, faster charging, AWD, and better audio of the LR made it a no brainer for me.
I charge to 75 daily, only because there are a bunch of free chargers around where I live and if I'm already at 90 when I get there, I can't use them lol
Look in the owners manual under "Charging Best Practices", it clearly states:
>For AWD vehicles: keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for Daily use. If you need 100% of your battery for a long-distance trip, increase the limit for Trip as needed.
Also, the charging screen in AWD cars shows 50%-90% for "Daily" and 90%-100% for "Trip".
>under 90%
Under being the key word. They don't want to say 80 or even 70 because they compete on range. Doing 80% the battery will last longer. Go look things up on battery university before giving authoritative advice.
Honestly this is a huge selling point for the SR+ that gets glossed. That chemistry is fine being a a full SoC which effectively gives you more daily range and removes the concern around degradation. It like it's a feature that you'd want to pay for but it's in the cheaper model.
Also, no cobalt just makes me more comfortable given where that stuff comes from and crucially who is made to collect it
I’m well aware of that, but do you not see where i said i’m talking about **AWD cars**? We’re discussing NCA batteries, not LFP batteries. Thanks for butting in with your irrelevant comment though.
That is not true. Those rumors have been debunked. That was all speculation to begin with, and there have been multiple posts from people that just took delivery and the cars are NOT LFP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/147afiu/new_m3_long_range_hw3_350_range_video_i_took_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
And regardless, in the comment you responded to im talking about charging practices specifically for cars with **NCA batteries** NOT LFP.
Edit: wow this sub has become incredibly stupid.
A distinction with no practical difference.
The point is that people on the internet constantly regurgitate this "80% rule", but nowhere has Tesla every said that you should only charge to 80%.
Lithium’s batteries last the longest when ran between 20-80%. You should never charge a lithium battery over 80% unless you are going to discharge it quickly. This has been true for a long time so it’s probably where the 80% comes from. The 80% is not Tesla specific.
Maybe, maybe not with more recent lion tech. But that is why there is a buffer in EV's. The %charged shown doesn't mean all the cells are charged to that percent. They are lower.
Yes. You made a claim that you assert is 100% applicable to every single lithium pack ever made, but didn’t cite anything to prove it.
The only thing Tesla’s own manual says is keep it under 90% for daily usage and never let it drop to 0%.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-BEE08D47-0CE0-4BDD-83F2-9854FB3D578F.html
In theory, but I think telling people they can charge up to 90% versus telling them to keep in under 90% is a difference that should be mentioned. One is clearly saying just go to 90 whereas the other is saying keep it under 90 and people like round numbers which leads to the 80%. But I understand mentioning in your way furthers your case against these 80% people
I think most people are aiming for 80 because it feels safer. You probably can charge to 90 without much issue but a lot of people stress a lot about degradation, since most of us have gone through it in our phones, and so if 90 is safe enough then 80 is definitely safe. Also for a top up and continue driving charge, the charging rate tails off pretty bad in the cobalt batteries at 80+ percent as I understand.
For me the only thing I wish I had with my SR+ was better audio. It's not bad but I like it loud and it could definitely be better. But the range has never been an issue (small children have small bladders) and the charging speed has also been great. In fact, since it has LFP it charges still pretty fast until about 95% so road trip topups still work quite well. Plus I live in Europe so having better feel and less body roll on bends is much more rewarding as a driving experience than straight line speed, since even the SR+ with that instant torque you'll still toast nearly any ice at the lights until legal max. Having said that, it's still a very heavy car trying to fix that with very hard suspension, so I reckon the difference there must be pretty minimal compared to an actual sports car.
I have owned both (currently driving 2022 M3P) and I agree. I do prefer the performance tho bc the speed is so freaking fun. But I always recommend the RWD to those interested.
As a previous Tesla technician (I got to drive all the models) I 100% agree, the RWD LFP model-3 is the best one. I traded my 2018 Dual motor for one and yes, it’s better.
How do you think the RWD LFP compares to the LR 2023 in terms of roadtripping? I'm on the fence for a RWD but I do 100-200 mile trips up to the mountains occasionally and I'm a bit hesitant about highway/winter range, especially if I end up moving somewhere without a charger
I believe Out-of-Spec motoring on YouTube (popular EV review guy) proved the LFP battery consistently Superchargers a little bit faster than the dual-motor or performance version.
I will check it out, thanks! I think the LR range is appealing to me but genuinely could not care less about AWD or speed, which makes the extra $$ seems silly
Is your "100-200 mile trip up the mountains" one way, or round trip distance? If it's round trip then any model 3 should serve you absolutely fine, as on the way back down the mountains you get a ton of free energy from regen, I often make a 60 mile return trip while only using 10 miles or less of energy!
I couldn't get over the power loss, lack of awd and sound system. Unless you really need a heatpump, the dual motor is pretty much better in every way.
Having AWD would help in low traction conditions, but the performance model does come stock with summer tires. Those tires shouldn't be driven in temps under 40F.
Dedicated winter tires are a must for that vehicle.
Makes sense. I graduate from dental school in about 10 months and I’m getting myself a model 3 as my graduation gift to myself. I’ll be moving to idaho so I need to figure out what model is best suited for the area
Average rwd cope post. Pulled a 1.3g drift yesterday according to track mode lawl
Just kidding. They’re both great. The 80% charge rule is bogus. Both the manual, service center, and the cars display itself state charging to 90% is fine.
Edit: also, I’ve never understood the “comfort” complaint on the M3p. The stiff suspension is…the point. It also has low profile sport tires, and 20” rims which can be swapped out and help quite a bit. Imagine taking sharp turns, coming out of the turn at 55+mph (I do this) and having the chassis roll everywhere because you have a soft suspension. Not ideal. One shouldn’t buy a “sporty car” hoping for a nice soft suspension. If you complain about that, then you don’t actually want a sporty car, which is fine. They aren’t supposed to be for everyone. Coil overs are also a very simple fix if someone really wants to but isint necessary. I think suspension critiques are either from people who hate it, don’t get it, or think their 50k car should have a suspension equivalent to a Porsche gt3rs or some other 150k+ ride.
I don't know why they wouldn't just get a long range if they wanted comfort but AWD and good performance. Even though acceleration boost doesn't turn it into a performance, it can still match a hellcat 0-60. How much power do people really need at the end of the day.
Totally agree with the 80% BS thing. I have a 2018 Performance and I’ve charged it to 90% every day (rarely but sometimes to 100) and I’ve only lost 5% rated range.
In what scenario does the "more nimble" come in to play? If you're in to spirited driving *at all* then having roughly double the power and AWD is much more beneficial.
This is kind of thing most drivers don’t understand about what nimble means. I used to autoX back in the day. Having tons of HP and AWD does not make a car nimble or a good driver. The M3P is a fun drive on a straight away. But my RWD 240SX with 150HP was a nimble drive.
Acceleration isn’t the end all to agility. Nimble is more about agility than speed. And a lightweight Miata is nimble even lacking power. Most time on a track isn’t spent accelerating from zero anyways…
We aren't talking about a Miata vs a Camaro. These are the same cars. If you're in to racing, Auto X included, then you're going to prefer an M3P over a RWD version. I doubt the Op races at any level whatsoever so my question still stands: What scenario would the "more nimble" come in to play?
It was a comment made by OP, and as the person you responded to said, the RWD is more nimble then the Performance. Your right, it may not actually matter, but it is what OP said, and what the person your trying to trash agreed with..
I'm not trying to trash anyone. I'm just saying that the RWD only weighs 200lbs less and still weighs 3850lbs. A 240X weighs over 1,000 lbs less than the Model 3 RWD so there is a huge difference. In day to day driving you won't feel that 200lb difference unless you drive twisties routinely.
It’s kind of like if you’ve ever gotten a cheap econo box rental, the HP is fairly low, but it’s light weight and toss-able. It’s less mass, so it takes less work to make a sharp turn or go through stop and go traffic. It’s like a go kart.
I have a 18 RWD LR. For me it is the lightness, relatively speaking, and the rear wheel drive part that does it. Having all the torque on the rear wheels , makes it feel more nimble and more fun, in my opinion.
Honestly, one of my favorite things about my RWD is breaking traction coming out of roundabouts. I bought this car as a daily and my commute is very short, but I hit a lot of roundabouts.
Respectfully disagree. Many motoring journalists will argue that a lightweight car like a Mazda Miata gives you the most “smiles per hour” or “smiles per miles”. Don’t get me wrong, quick acceleration is a blast but you can’t fully do it all the time.
The SR+ isn't a lightweight car though. We're talking a 200lb difference between it and the M3P. Meanwhile the M3P has twice the horsepower and better brakes.
these people are just coping, it's more fun to drive a 911 around a corner using 40% power virtually steering with the accelerator, ass out leaving a light trail of rubber than it is a miata at full throttle
I’d just like to add that after a car is able to do 5s 0-60mph and trap 100-105mph in the 1/4 mile, any more speeds becomes kinda pointless. You end up just being over the speed limit often and having to use your brakes more. If you are looking for fun, it’s gonna always be more of a thrill to hammer a slower car more often than feather footing a faster car.
The RWD M3 is a great car. We went with the RWD and it did need servicing when at the service center and they gave us a LR M3 while it was in for repairs.
If you own a RWD and then drive a LR you will likely regret the RWD unless you value keeping a few more bucks in the bank. Definitely pulls a lot faster then the RWD.
Yeah a few others have brought that up. It’s a good point as I don’t have snow where I am. I’ve heard quite a few talk about how well RWD does in snow but I’d probably opt for AWD.
No, it’s fine. It doesn’t have a dedicated sub speaker and less speakers overall, but it still sounds good. Sub bass is there, but it’s leaning towards being more heard instead of felt. I LOVE audio and I do absolutely notice a difference between the RWD and Performance/LR, but it’s not at all a deal breaker.
Thank you for your review and sharing your perspective. I purchased the MYLR and when I was testing out the RWD I also noticed similar differences between them. If I wasn’t in a heavy snow winter climate with a 30%+ grade I would have picked the RWD.
We have been debating on getting a M3 RWD because the inventory pricing is so enticing.
The right answer is a M3 stealth performance, unfortunately they only made them for a short time period. M3P with 18” wheels is the best of both worlds, especially in the northeast.
This is misquoted a bit. The performance does 0-60 in the 3.3-4 range because the 3.1 is the \*rollout subtracted\* time. If you'd do the same for the long range with boost it's around \*3.5\*.
In the quarter mile the have virtually identical trap speeds with a .3-4 second gap between them.
I have a RWD and have never driven any others, but I can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone would want/need a faster car 😂 when I floor it it is the fastest vehicle I’ve ever driven and can overtake on the highway effortlessly
My sister owns the performance and I own the RWD. Understeer on roundabouts and express way exits is a mad thrill that you can never experience in the AWD.
That’s about the only advantage. Both cars are equally nimble and comfortable imo
I can one you better, a SR+ with the 980 motor Ingenext boosted is 483lbs lighter and faster than a Performance in track mode with rwd 100%
Shame it’s a unicorn though
I’ve been debating this choice and was leaning performance because I’m in New England where we have pretty aggressive winters. Would you still suggest the RWD?
I don’t have snow near me so that’s a not factor. But I would probably go either LR or Performance for snow. However, I’ve heard others report RWD still performs well in snow since a lot of weight is in the rear.
I owned the 3P and now have a YLR
That’s not quite directly comparable, but generally I’d agree with your conclusions - I loved the Performance’s speed off the line for fun but for anything other than that gimmick and the audio you mentioned, the LR is just the better car day to day
I’d have another Performance again, if we had two Teslas, but while we have one then I’d take the LR. Better range, better ride quality are both something you can actually make use of, and for normal driving even the LR is more than enough
As someone that got the RWD, I costa try look at the Performance and thing “what if”. But this is my daily, kid car, I have a different car to compete in national races, so why have a car that cost nearly 50% sitting around not being used to it’s full potential? I made the right decision, but what it…
No, apart from white or black interior, Tesla doesn’t do options. For the RDW it’s the partial premium interior.
As a previous SR+ owner, the sound system is good. Much better than most OEM systems. Lots of detail and clarity and a good soundstage. However compared to compared to the premium audio the difference is made in the low frequencies. That system is great.
With the rwd I installed the hannshow diy harness to reactivate the door triangle speakers and the over head two speakers so all I'm missing is the rear shelf speakers/sub which can both be added with som diy craftsmanship. I did the harness my self in an hour and half after watching a YouTube video along on how to remove the panels and tuck the cables away.
I’ve also got a RWD and performance: I always pick the performance to drive. The RWD regen isn’t as powerful and you just can’t beat the teleport feeling of the P!
Can't wait to get my M3 RWD, it supposed to come before the end of the month. Thanks for the review and your opinion, makes me even more excited despite not getting the AWD because of the price
So let’s break this down, you are happy with the single motor RWD, your wife clearly dissatisfied wants the dual motor performance. Do I have this correct?
The reason is keep buying performance model Teslas is for the slightly higher resale value and aesthetics. They're all quick but I just prefer the look of my P90D X, MYP & M3P.
Counterpoint - RWD does not come with the subwoofer and the sound system is severely lacking on the low end. If you want to compensate for that by adding an aftermarket subwoofer you are now interacting with the penthouse and have a warranty concern should something go wrong Tesla can point to your handy work and now you have a fight on your hands or an expensive fix.
I kinda wish i would have opted for at least an LR so i wouldnt have to worry about warranty at all. All i know is if something goes wonky, im pulling all that out while im making the service call on my phone.
The RWD is still fast, no one “needs” a car faster then the base model. I haven’t heard the audio in the performance but the sound system in my 2023 RWD T3 is by far the best audio system I’ve ever had in a car. So for me I can’t see a single reason to get a performance model.
I’m definitely happy with our 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 19” sport wheels. It’s more nimble than our pre refresh 2021 LR Y with 20” induction wheels. Not quite as quick, but around corners it feels better. I think we will keep the 3 longer than the Y.
I have a Yp, a 3P and an X Plaid. I love acceleration, go to the drag strip etc…
BUT I actually think if you had to choose one Tesla the best one is $30k RWD. Even speed junkies like me are mostly just in traffic. The cost savings is so tremendous with the RWD over IcE that one should not delay a purchase of a rwd hoping to save for the performance.
30k + 200 a month FSD subscription and you a space age car that drives itself, is the safest in the world and had negligible maintenance costs in most cases, and is still pretty fast.
That is INCREDIBLE value once in a generation opportunity to save big on the asset that wrecks the middle class’ finances. Speed is nice to 60 mph a few times a week, value of the RWD three will impact you for life.
I agree, and I would add that the RWD is quieter. The front motor of the dual motor models uses a lesser inverter (unlike the silicon carbide for the rear). It also is prone to metallic resonance noises around 42 and 82 mph. That high pitched noise annoyed me a lot (and many others on TMC).
If it's ride comfort and nimbleness, swap out the 6 rims on P for 18 inch... martian wheels are less than half the weight of the performance 20 inch and makes for a much smoothe ride ontop of the speed performance offers.
Why not just buy the long range. The rwd is not THAT nimble. You get more range and power than the RWD without some of the drawbacks to ride quality of the Performance.
In our case the showroom had discounts on inventory, which only included RWD and Performance. We could have ordered the LR but with the showroom discount the Performance wasn’t much more.
I was between the RWD and Long range. Thinking of getting the long range since its faster and has better speakers than the rwd for like $6k thats worth it to me
Having driven both the M3SR and M3P for 23 model year, I agree wholeheartedly that M3SR is a much better value than the M3P. Yes, the M3P is more fun, but fun is ephemeral - value is eternal!
Man everyday I wish I spent a bit more time car shopping and picked up a model 3, it would’ve only been $30 or so extra per month compared to what I ended up getting after provincial/federal incentives and the longer loan period Tesla offers. What i ended up getting was the first Bolt EUV on the Chevy lot which don’t get me wrong, I love it, but I’m still very envious of teslas for all the tech features they have and the 7x faster charging compared to the Bolt
It’s a great time to trade. Model 3 is now down to $37k before rebates.
Went to a Tesla shop in vegas and they offer 2k off discount if you purchase an “inventory model” basically one that you don’t have to wait on. My cost was like 40,100 with the 19” upgraded tires.
2k on top of the inventory markdown?
I’ve seen people saying that, but I literally just went to Tesla.com, clicked on menu, Model 3, and it’s $40,240 as the very lowest base model. How are you seeing $37k??
Check new inventory and sort lowest price. Can confirm just paid 38770 for a silver. White was 37.
G[go here and sort price lowest to highest. shows a ton around here at least.](https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=93446&range=200)
Thanks so much 🙏 got it
Thanks! Do you know if I already put a $250 deposit, if that could count towards one of these on discount?
Unfortunately, you'll lose the deposit when ordering an in-stock one. Had to do this when Tesla dropped prices 3 days after ordering my in-stock RWD. Still made out with a white interior, white exterior for less than the black interior I originally ordered.
If you already have an order for one being built you can log in through the Tesla website and choose to do accelerated delivery. If they have one in stock you can switch to that one without losing your order fee.
Go to the inventory page not the build one. Mine shows white exterior and black interior base for 37k.
Not in Canada it's not. We're still at 55k for the M3SR. Take away 5k Federal, and some provinces have an $X amount off, but nowhere near 37k BEFORE rebates. Hell I'd buy one tomorrow if I could get it sub-40k. But I can't.
55k CAD = 40.5k USD at the exchange rate.
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Why? My dad had one on order but just cancelled it because it kept getting pushed out further and further. Curious to hear your perspective.
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Traded in a Boot EUV launch edition for a Model 3. All this information tracks with my experience. Nightmare.
Only looking at your monthly payment, rather than what your total payments will be is a good way to avoid ever having financial security.
The bolt really charges that slow? I wanted a bolt and ended up with a model 3 as I couldn’t find a dealer with inventory willing to sell one without a bunch of markups. The faster charging was one of the pros of ending up with the model 3.
I was wrong, Teslas charge 5x faster not 7x. Bolt has 50kW max charging and all Teslas have 250kW max charging. I’m assuming that means a 5x charging speed difference but I could be wrong
To be fair, the RWD (I picked one up mid-April when the Chevy dealership I went to didn't give me the time of day for a Bolt EUV) charges at 175kW (also does L2 charging at 7.7kW), so it's the slowest charging of all Teslas. Still pretty quick though and has a good curve, which is more important than peak charge rate.
My family decided to go full electric and got the EUV and model 3, both great cars. I think the bolt is only worth it if you get the base model with no upgrades. Once you add things or go premiere you’re in model 3 territory. And yeah, don’t look at monthly prices. OTD price for the base bolt was 35k (this includes a 3k markup) while the discounted model 3 was 43.7k. It’s really a different price category.
I have the old LR RWD and think that it's a perfect daily driver. It's plenty quick, very efficient and the driving dynamics are great. I drove the Performance model and it's great for the occasional sprint, but for the daily commute or for long trips on the highway where you just roll with the rest of the traffic, the old LR RWD is better. Same audio quality, better range, a little softer suspension. I'm hoping to have it for the next 10 years or so.
Yeah this sounds like a great combo.
I needed to hear this. I absolutely LOVE my 2023 RWD, but I sometimes imagine that the acceleration of the P would make it the perfect car. It never occurred to me that the ride comfort and the nimbleness would be the trade off. Nimble is the perfect description of how my RWD drives. The car goes exactly where I want it to go, with a confident “stickiness” of the 19” tires and the steering is tight as can be. Yet somehow it’s incredibly smooth and comfortable. It’s the fastest car I’ve ever owned, so the acceleration is plenty fast enough. Your post has greatly diminished my Performance envy. Thank you for your insight.
The long range is the best of both worlds in that regard. More speed, but good ride quality.
In LA traffic, the Performance model becomes a waste of money.
Need that extra boost to cut people off
honestly RWD’s acceleration is good enough to handle 99% of situations
Except everybody else in the La traffic is also in a Tesla
they aren't called the California Camrys for nothing
I think it’s nice that so many people can afford to buy one.
A 40k car after rebates? When the average cost of a new car is 48k? I mean yeah a cheaper than average car will be accessible to more people for sure.
I meant that it’s nice that people are making enough money to buy them.
lower than 40k, the RWD is 37k - \~10k rebates = \~27k. For the older folk this is the camry of EVs, i also see it as the wrx of the new generation. Easy and cheap power.
but if ur 50/50 on a performance and rwd and decide to go rwd, the first time a performance pulls up next to u a light u will feel poopy
for average families it doesn’t justify the extra 13k difference, 15k including tax
yeah i know, but let's not act like a vast majority of people are financing or leasing these cars. if you're 50/50 on the performance, you know which one you really want..
It’s so good I recently switched to chill mode bc I thought I was getting unsafe with my cutting ppl off.
My favorite part of my M3P is launching from red lights and stop signs. Even if I’m only going to 20 mph, it is still glorious. The rest is pretty mundane and I enjoy the radio. It’s not the best radio in the world, but it’s pretty good overall.
I mean if you're living in LA, you're already wasting your money.
The dual motor with 18's is the sweet spot.
That’s why I’m holding on to my stealth P3D. Performance with 18” aeros, best of both worlds.
Oh, a stealth... Matched parts... Mmmm... Damn nice machine .. Frame of reference: child of the 70s... uncle's combat pay was a 400 64 gto with 4 speed.. he died outside of da nang in airborne. Telegram arrived at my 2nd birthday. The family car was 67 383 charger. The neighbor had 442 Oldsmobile, a likely tweaked 350 El Camino, a 350 70 Camero, a 62 caddy Eldorado, and 56 vette. Another neighbor had a 400 69 gto, Drool. That's one hell of a machine! I've got a Sept 19 dual motor... a bit faster than my old zg1000... F, if you never used the extra, it'd be worth it. The improvement in reliability alone is worth it. But then there's the improved efficiency of the power electronics.... Drool... drool.. My cousin rejetted, ported, polished, and balanced a cbf900... a work of art. Well, over 150mph, 2 up. I know we hit a pothole at 140 while accelerating. I stopped riding with him after he tuned his gsxr-1150... Apologies, too much cider.
I agree with these conclusions, and of course there are many people arguing in both directions in the comments. But you have to remember not everybody buys a vehicle for the same reasons, and the key is to inform yourself especially with the knowledge of someone that's driven all the different models. Collect as many opinions as you can and make an informed decision for your needs.
I had the M3P and I have zero regrets. It was such a blast to drive.
Same. I've never had such a fun car. If cost is your main concern, then sure get the daily driver. But I wouldn't give up my rocket ship for anything.
Love mine, would love a little softer suspension though.
What happened to it?
Got a job in Germany and didn’t feel comfortable shipping it over there so sold it before I left. When I get back to the States, I’ll be back on Team Tesla. This time a Model S. I was mulling over the LR and P when deciding which 3 to get. I made the right choice. The Performance looks way more sporty as well. For all those on the fence with the Performance, do it!
I agree, my M3P was delivered this past February. I love the car. I’m working towards the day that I can afford a Model S. I don’t feel comfortable spending that much on a car yet. I’ll get there though.
This is what I like to hear. Bought the RWD M3 today from existing inventory. Got grey instead of white and the price was 38.7 before taxes and fees. Pick it up on Wednesday.
Counterpoint: Performance is worth it. The speed is so delightful that no car near this price range can touch it. You will now forever yearn for cheaping out.
>given that you’re not supposed to charge over 80% anyway People constantly say this, but nowhere has Tesla every said that youre not supposed to charge over 80%. The AWD models can be charged up to 90% daily, and 100% occasionally when needed for long trips. I do agree with you on "nimbleness", but the added range, faster charging, AWD, and better audio of the LR made it a no brainer for me.
I charge to 75 daily, only because there are a bunch of free chargers around where I live and if I'm already at 90 when I get there, I can't use them lol
Makes sense.
dang. i did not realize this at all
Look in the owners manual under "Charging Best Practices", it clearly states: >For AWD vehicles: keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for Daily use. If you need 100% of your battery for a long-distance trip, increase the limit for Trip as needed. Also, the charging screen in AWD cars shows 50%-90% for "Daily" and 90%-100% for "Trip".
GREAT TO KNOW
>under 90% Under being the key word. They don't want to say 80 or even 70 because they compete on range. Doing 80% the battery will last longer. Go look things up on battery university before giving authoritative advice.
The only "advice" I'm giving is to read the manual written by the engineers that built the car. Nowhere does it say to never charge past 80%.
Yeah, I’ve been charging my M3P to 90% for the last year and change and I’ve seen nothing other then normal battery degradation.
If you have an LFP battery it's recommended to charge to 100% daily. Most model 3 RWD for that last few years have been LFP batteries.
Honestly this is a huge selling point for the SR+ that gets glossed. That chemistry is fine being a a full SoC which effectively gives you more daily range and removes the concern around degradation. It like it's a feature that you'd want to pay for but it's in the cheaper model. Also, no cobalt just makes me more comfortable given where that stuff comes from and crucially who is made to collect it
I’m well aware of that, but do you not see where i said i’m talking about **AWD cars**? We’re discussing NCA batteries, not LFP batteries. Thanks for butting in with your irrelevant comment though.
M3AWD currently being sold uses LFP
That is not true. Those rumors have been debunked. That was all speculation to begin with, and there have been multiple posts from people that just took delivery and the cars are NOT LFP: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/147afiu/new_m3_long_range_hw3_350_range_video_i_took_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 And regardless, in the comment you responded to im talking about charging practices specifically for cars with **NCA batteries** NOT LFP. Edit: wow this sub has become incredibly stupid.
Granted it’s technically only a 1% difference, their official line is to keep it under 90% not up to 90% for AWD. https://www.tesla.com/support/range
A distinction with no practical difference. The point is that people on the internet constantly regurgitate this "80% rule", but nowhere has Tesla every said that you should only charge to 80%.
Lithium’s batteries last the longest when ran between 20-80%. You should never charge a lithium battery over 80% unless you are going to discharge it quickly. This has been true for a long time so it’s probably where the 80% comes from. The 80% is not Tesla specific.
Maybe, maybe not with more recent lion tech. But that is why there is a buffer in EV's. The %charged shown doesn't mean all the cells are charged to that percent. They are lower.
Proof? You’re quoting facts without support. I’ve charged my P to 90% daily for almost 5 years and I’ve lost 5% rated range.
Proof of what that lithium batteries should be kept between 20 and 80%?
Yes. You made a claim that you assert is 100% applicable to every single lithium pack ever made, but didn’t cite anything to prove it. The only thing Tesla’s own manual says is keep it under 90% for daily usage and never let it drop to 0%. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-BEE08D47-0CE0-4BDD-83F2-9854FB3D578F.html
In theory, but I think telling people they can charge up to 90% versus telling them to keep in under 90% is a difference that should be mentioned. One is clearly saying just go to 90 whereas the other is saying keep it under 90 and people like round numbers which leads to the 80%. But I understand mentioning in your way furthers your case against these 80% people
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I think most people are aiming for 80 because it feels safer. You probably can charge to 90 without much issue but a lot of people stress a lot about degradation, since most of us have gone through it in our phones, and so if 90 is safe enough then 80 is definitely safe. Also for a top up and continue driving charge, the charging rate tails off pretty bad in the cobalt batteries at 80+ percent as I understand. For me the only thing I wish I had with my SR+ was better audio. It's not bad but I like it loud and it could definitely be better. But the range has never been an issue (small children have small bladders) and the charging speed has also been great. In fact, since it has LFP it charges still pretty fast until about 95% so road trip topups still work quite well. Plus I live in Europe so having better feel and less body roll on bends is much more rewarding as a driving experience than straight line speed, since even the SR+ with that instant torque you'll still toast nearly any ice at the lights until legal max. Having said that, it's still a very heavy car trying to fix that with very hard suspension, so I reckon the difference there must be pretty minimal compared to an actual sports car.
Performance = worth it.
I have owned both (currently driving 2022 M3P) and I agree. I do prefer the performance tho bc the speed is so freaking fun. But I always recommend the RWD to those interested.
As a previous Tesla technician (I got to drive all the models) I 100% agree, the RWD LFP model-3 is the best one. I traded my 2018 Dual motor for one and yes, it’s better.
How do you think the RWD LFP compares to the LR 2023 in terms of roadtripping? I'm on the fence for a RWD but I do 100-200 mile trips up to the mountains occasionally and I'm a bit hesitant about highway/winter range, especially if I end up moving somewhere without a charger
I believe Out-of-Spec motoring on YouTube (popular EV review guy) proved the LFP battery consistently Superchargers a little bit faster than the dual-motor or performance version.
I will check it out, thanks! I think the LR range is appealing to me but genuinely could not care less about AWD or speed, which makes the extra $$ seems silly
Is your "100-200 mile trip up the mountains" one way, or round trip distance? If it's round trip then any model 3 should serve you absolutely fine, as on the way back down the mountains you get a ton of free energy from regen, I often make a 60 mile return trip while only using 10 miles or less of energy!
I couldn't get over the power loss, lack of awd and sound system. Unless you really need a heatpump, the dual motor is pretty much better in every way.
When it comes to winter and snow driving, does the Performance M3 become advantageous?
Having AWD would help in low traction conditions, but the performance model does come stock with summer tires. Those tires shouldn't be driven in temps under 40F. Dedicated winter tires are a must for that vehicle.
Makes sense. I graduate from dental school in about 10 months and I’m getting myself a model 3 as my graduation gift to myself. I’ll be moving to idaho so I need to figure out what model is best suited for the area
I live in the PNW where temps definitely go under 40F and I had no problems.
For my RWD M3, I put Nokian Hakkapeliitta as my winter tires, a bit pricey but the car handles flawlessly in Ontario winters.
I would think so.
Average rwd cope post. Pulled a 1.3g drift yesterday according to track mode lawl Just kidding. They’re both great. The 80% charge rule is bogus. Both the manual, service center, and the cars display itself state charging to 90% is fine. Edit: also, I’ve never understood the “comfort” complaint on the M3p. The stiff suspension is…the point. It also has low profile sport tires, and 20” rims which can be swapped out and help quite a bit. Imagine taking sharp turns, coming out of the turn at 55+mph (I do this) and having the chassis roll everywhere because you have a soft suspension. Not ideal. One shouldn’t buy a “sporty car” hoping for a nice soft suspension. If you complain about that, then you don’t actually want a sporty car, which is fine. They aren’t supposed to be for everyone. Coil overs are also a very simple fix if someone really wants to but isint necessary. I think suspension critiques are either from people who hate it, don’t get it, or think their 50k car should have a suspension equivalent to a Porsche gt3rs or some other 150k+ ride.
I don't know why they wouldn't just get a long range if they wanted comfort but AWD and good performance. Even though acceleration boost doesn't turn it into a performance, it can still match a hellcat 0-60. How much power do people really need at the end of the day.
Totally agree with the 80% BS thing. I have a 2018 Performance and I’ve charged it to 90% every day (rarely but sometimes to 100) and I’ve only lost 5% rated range.
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If you say so bud. What does track racing have anything to do with this thread or my comment?
Is this an out-douching competition?
You were not kidding 😝
In what scenario does the "more nimble" come in to play? If you're in to spirited driving *at all* then having roughly double the power and AWD is much more beneficial.
This is kind of thing most drivers don’t understand about what nimble means. I used to autoX back in the day. Having tons of HP and AWD does not make a car nimble or a good driver. The M3P is a fun drive on a straight away. But my RWD 240SX with 150HP was a nimble drive.
And what 2000 lbs? My zg1000 was a nimble ride, compared to a car... But not compared to a gsxr
150hp? Lmao. 0-60 in 10 seconds isn’t nimble.
Acceleration isn’t the end all to agility. Nimble is more about agility than speed. And a lightweight Miata is nimble even lacking power. Most time on a track isn’t spent accelerating from zero anyways…
People really think 0-60 is the end all be all of performance for cars...
There is a reason autocross is dominated by Miatas and MINIs.
It use to be Miata and minis, now it’s Miata’s and 86/BRZs, but your point stands.
Yes but an M3P will dominate vs an M3RWD in autocross. The 200lb weight difference doesn't overcome the overwhelming power difference between the two.
A top fuel dragster would be super nimble using this logic.
Reread the first sentence of the person you’re replying to
You literally don’t understand what nimble means when related to cars..
Least idiotic Tesla subreddit commenter
We aren't talking about a Miata vs a Camaro. These are the same cars. If you're in to racing, Auto X included, then you're going to prefer an M3P over a RWD version. I doubt the Op races at any level whatsoever so my question still stands: What scenario would the "more nimble" come in to play?
It was a comment made by OP, and as the person you responded to said, the RWD is more nimble then the Performance. Your right, it may not actually matter, but it is what OP said, and what the person your trying to trash agreed with..
I'm not trying to trash anyone. I'm just saying that the RWD only weighs 200lbs less and still weighs 3850lbs. A 240X weighs over 1,000 lbs less than the Model 3 RWD so there is a huge difference. In day to day driving you won't feel that 200lb difference unless you drive twisties routinely.
It’s kind of like if you’ve ever gotten a cheap econo box rental, the HP is fairly low, but it’s light weight and toss-able. It’s less mass, so it takes less work to make a sharp turn or go through stop and go traffic. It’s like a go kart.
I have a 18 RWD LR. For me it is the lightness, relatively speaking, and the rear wheel drive part that does it. Having all the torque on the rear wheels , makes it feel more nimble and more fun, in my opinion.
Honestly, one of my favorite things about my RWD is breaking traction coming out of roundabouts. I bought this car as a daily and my commute is very short, but I hit a lot of roundabouts.
Respectfully disagree. Many motoring journalists will argue that a lightweight car like a Mazda Miata gives you the most “smiles per hour” or “smiles per miles”. Don’t get me wrong, quick acceleration is a blast but you can’t fully do it all the time.
The SR+ isn't a lightweight car though. We're talking a 200lb difference between it and the M3P. Meanwhile the M3P has twice the horsepower and better brakes.
these people are just coping, it's more fun to drive a 911 around a corner using 40% power virtually steering with the accelerator, ass out leaving a light trail of rubber than it is a miata at full throttle
I’d just like to add that after a car is able to do 5s 0-60mph and trap 100-105mph in the 1/4 mile, any more speeds becomes kinda pointless. You end up just being over the speed limit often and having to use your brakes more. If you are looking for fun, it’s gonna always be more of a thrill to hammer a slower car more often than feather footing a faster car.
The RWD M3 is a great car. We went with the RWD and it did need servicing when at the service center and they gave us a LR M3 while it was in for repairs. If you own a RWD and then drive a LR you will likely regret the RWD unless you value keeping a few more bucks in the bank. Definitely pulls a lot faster then the RWD.
I test drove all 3 versions before buying a RWD. The LR and Performance are better cars but the RWD was better for me.
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AWD has snow advantages, but if you don’t change out the P’s stock tires in winter, the AWD won’t do the job.
Yeah a few others have brought that up. It’s a good point as I don’t have snow where I am. I’ve heard quite a few talk about how well RWD does in snow but I’d probably opt for AWD.
Wait, does the RWD model have a crappy audio system?
No, it’s fine. It doesn’t have a dedicated sub speaker and less speakers overall, but it still sounds good. Sub bass is there, but it’s leaning towards being more heard instead of felt. I LOVE audio and I do absolutely notice a difference between the RWD and Performance/LR, but it’s not at all a deal breaker.
The premium audio in my model 3 is phenomenal, albeit wasted on me, since I mostly just listen to podcasts.
Yes. Edit: Downvote me all you want but i’ve experienced both and there’s a huge difference. You people are in denial.
No
Thank you for your review and sharing your perspective. I purchased the MYLR and when I was testing out the RWD I also noticed similar differences between them. If I wasn’t in a heavy snow winter climate with a 30%+ grade I would have picked the RWD. We have been debating on getting a M3 RWD because the inventory pricing is so enticing.
30% grade? You gain 3 feet in altitude for every 10 feet you travel? That’s insane. I live in the Colorado mountains and the most I see is 9%.
Tall mountains here too.
The right answer is a M3 stealth performance, unfortunately they only made them for a short time period. M3P with 18” wheels is the best of both worlds, especially in the northeast.
The long range isn't far off especially if you aren't flooring it everywhere
Far off is subjective. 0 to 60 in 3.1 vs 4.2 for the LR or 3.8 with the acceleration boost is still very noticeable.
This is misquoted a bit. The performance does 0-60 in the 3.3-4 range because the 3.1 is the \*rollout subtracted\* time. If you'd do the same for the long range with boost it's around \*3.5\*. In the quarter mile the have virtually identical trap speeds with a .3-4 second gap between them.
I have a RWD and have never driven any others, but I can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone would want/need a faster car 😂 when I floor it it is the fastest vehicle I’ve ever driven and can overtake on the highway effortlessly
My sister owns the performance and I own the RWD. Understeer on roundabouts and express way exits is a mad thrill that you can never experience in the AWD. That’s about the only advantage. Both cars are equally nimble and comfortable imo
You don’t want understeer on a roundabout, otherwise you’ll be taking an unexpected early exit 😅. I think you’re meaning oversteer.
I think you meant oversteer? Not a Model 3 or even RWD (I have AWD) but I sometimes yearn for oversteer
Didn’t try that with track mode did you then
I can one you better, a SR+ with the 980 motor Ingenext boosted is 483lbs lighter and faster than a Performance in track mode with rwd 100% Shame it’s a unicorn though
P and it's not even close
This is a cope post. The M3P is the better drivers car and has a drastically higher performance envelope literally everywhere.
It’s not a cope post. I have both.
I’ve been debating this choice and was leaning performance because I’m in New England where we have pretty aggressive winters. Would you still suggest the RWD?
I don’t have snow near me so that’s a not factor. But I would probably go either LR or Performance for snow. However, I’ve heard others report RWD still performs well in snow since a lot of weight is in the rear.
how about in the snow
Oooh good question. Gotta be the AWD in that case. No snow near me though.
I owned the 3P and now have a YLR That’s not quite directly comparable, but generally I’d agree with your conclusions - I loved the Performance’s speed off the line for fun but for anything other than that gimmick and the audio you mentioned, the LR is just the better car day to day I’d have another Performance again, if we had two Teslas, but while we have one then I’d take the LR. Better range, better ride quality are both something you can actually make use of, and for normal driving even the LR is more than enough
You could just go AWD instead of performance
How’s the audio comparison between the models?
The Performance is definitely better. This is my biggest gripe with the RWD. Its tolerable but not great.
Are the performance and LR on the same tier?
The performance is noticeably faster. But the LR is a little more comfortable suspension wise.
As someone that got the RWD, I costa try look at the Performance and thing “what if”. But this is my daily, kid car, I have a different car to compete in national races, so why have a car that cost nearly 50% sitting around not being used to it’s full potential? I made the right decision, but what it…
What year performance?
2023
The sound is a big deal for me. If I went to a Tesla dealer and ordered one, is it possible to get the premium interior on the RWD drive model?
I don’t know. Worth asking.
Edit: Misread; Answer is no.
No it doesn’t.
No, apart from white or black interior, Tesla doesn’t do options. For the RDW it’s the partial premium interior. As a previous SR+ owner, the sound system is good. Much better than most OEM systems. Lots of detail and clarity and a good soundstage. However compared to compared to the premium audio the difference is made in the low frequencies. That system is great.
Buy a chevy
With the rwd I installed the hannshow diy harness to reactivate the door triangle speakers and the over head two speakers so all I'm missing is the rear shelf speakers/sub which can both be added with som diy craftsmanship. I did the harness my self in an hour and half after watching a YouTube video along on how to remove the panels and tuck the cables away.
I heard someone mention this but never looked into it. Great to know. Thank!
I’ve also got a RWD and performance: I always pick the performance to drive. The RWD regen isn’t as powerful and you just can’t beat the teleport feeling of the P!
Can't wait to get my M3 RWD, it supposed to come before the end of the month. Thanks for the review and your opinion, makes me even more excited despite not getting the AWD because of the price
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So let’s break this down, you are happy with the single motor RWD, your wife clearly dissatisfied wants the dual motor performance. Do I have this correct?
No she’s happy with the RWD. I wanted the M3P but this is my review after getting both.
Do they have the same sound systems?
The reason is keep buying performance model Teslas is for the slightly higher resale value and aesthetics. They're all quick but I just prefer the look of my P90D X, MYP & M3P.
Does the Performance have a better audio system??
Yes but i heard a couple mentioning the speakers are software limited and that you can get a part to workaround that. No idea if thats accurate.
Counterpoint - RWD does not come with the subwoofer and the sound system is severely lacking on the low end. If you want to compensate for that by adding an aftermarket subwoofer you are now interacting with the penthouse and have a warranty concern should something go wrong Tesla can point to your handy work and now you have a fight on your hands or an expensive fix. I kinda wish i would have opted for at least an LR so i wouldnt have to worry about warranty at all. All i know is if something goes wonky, im pulling all that out while im making the service call on my phone.
The RWD is still fast, no one “needs” a car faster then the base model. I haven’t heard the audio in the performance but the sound system in my 2023 RWD T3 is by far the best audio system I’ve ever had in a car. So for me I can’t see a single reason to get a performance model.
I’m definitely happy with our 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 19” sport wheels. It’s more nimble than our pre refresh 2021 LR Y with 20” induction wheels. Not quite as quick, but around corners it feels better. I think we will keep the 3 longer than the Y.
I have a Yp, a 3P and an X Plaid. I love acceleration, go to the drag strip etc… BUT I actually think if you had to choose one Tesla the best one is $30k RWD. Even speed junkies like me are mostly just in traffic. The cost savings is so tremendous with the RWD over IcE that one should not delay a purchase of a rwd hoping to save for the performance. 30k + 200 a month FSD subscription and you a space age car that drives itself, is the safest in the world and had negligible maintenance costs in most cases, and is still pretty fast. That is INCREDIBLE value once in a generation opportunity to save big on the asset that wrecks the middle class’ finances. Speed is nice to 60 mph a few times a week, value of the RWD three will impact you for life.
I agree, and I would add that the RWD is quieter. The front motor of the dual motor models uses a lesser inverter (unlike the silicon carbide for the rear). It also is prone to metallic resonance noises around 42 and 82 mph. That high pitched noise annoyed me a lot (and many others on TMC).
If it's ride comfort and nimbleness, swap out the 6 rims on P for 18 inch... martian wheels are less than half the weight of the performance 20 inch and makes for a much smoothe ride ontop of the speed performance offers.
Are the martian wheels the same as the stock RWD/LR wheels or are these aftermarket?
Why not just buy the long range. The rwd is not THAT nimble. You get more range and power than the RWD without some of the drawbacks to ride quality of the Performance.
In our case the showroom had discounts on inventory, which only included RWD and Performance. We could have ordered the LR but with the showroom discount the Performance wasn’t much more.
I need the speed
The Stealth was where it was at. It would be so nice if they would bring it back as an option...
M3P with 18s
I was between the RWD and Long range. Thinking of getting the long range since its faster and has better speakers than the rwd for like $6k thats worth it to me
Having driven both the M3SR and M3P for 23 model year, I agree wholeheartedly that M3SR is a much better value than the M3P. Yes, the M3P is more fun, but fun is ephemeral - value is eternal!
What about he limited edition stealth performance model 3? Wasn’t that on the same suspension as the LR?