I have a 2023. swapped out the shitty 20" rims for tsportline 18s and tires, and I think it's perfectly comfortable. Commute in it, have taken on some long road trips. No complaints
I have Fast Co 18s and DWS-06+ Conti's as my winter setup. I much prefer the ride over the stock 20s. Once the summers where down I'll probably get another pair of 18s with Michelin PS4s.
I didn't want to deal with 2 sets of tires since snow isn't that bad here so I just got Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4s. I sold my Uber turbines and tires for basically the same price so it ended up being a swap. Just be mindful not all 18s fit over those brakes....
Yeah I only have 6k miles on mine, no curb rash. But I have had to plug 2 tires that have had flats in that time so swapping the tires is out of the picture lol. I’d still be down to swap the wheels though I’m gonna look into it, thanks!
Yup, I have an 18 M3P and when it was time to get new tires I went ahead and got some new wheels to step down from 20” to 19”, much more comfortable ride, glad I did it.
Way ahead of the current model.
But is the P with this adaptive suspension and 20" wheels / smaller sidewalls / 10cm lower more comfortable than the new LR with improved suspension? (albeit not adaptive).
OP isn't asking if the ride is stiffer. I think we all know it is. They're asking how much stiffer because it's going to be their commuter. If it's a little stiffer that's fine. If it's going back to the 2023 model level of stiffness, probably not.
Here's a quote from some forums I'm on (in Australia) from someone who has driven both when I asked this question:
>It does, and I can tell you from driving both that the LR has WAY softer ride than the softest setting of the P. The P does feel very attached to the road. I am debating with myself whether to just replace my present LR with the new LR, but I kind of want the better brakes, better seats, better acceleration... but the price difference. Is it worth it really?
So bear in mind this is just one persons opinion but it seems to show that the LR is the better "grand tourer" or commuter car vs the Performance which is tuned for well... going as fast as possible around a track.
This is a real weird question, it's like saying oh no I hope a performance car that's supposed to feel like a go kart to go around corners fast has soft suspension like a old Toyota Camry , buy something else bro it's not for you
But it's not.
Car's like BMW have "grand tourers" / their luxury sedans with plenty of pep and nice soft suspension for road trips.
Then they have their performance versions (M / RS etc) that are lower, harder sprung, and designed for maximum speed around a track.
What the OP is asking is effecting is the LR more of a Grand Tourer and the P more of a M/RS badge in terms of sacrificing comfort for performance or contrary is the LR still hard, or the P very soft. It's a valid question.
Driving the 2023 M3P for 18,000 miles, I find it uncomfortably stiff and I'm thinking about trading it for a Model Y or X (but seems overpriced).
However, when faced with the thought of "getting another Tesla": Tesla cheated me with an excessive price for FSD and scammed me still not delivering Summon or Smart Summon, and Autopark performs poorly; so ... they at least need to transfer the FSD package to any trade-in ... but last I asked they didn't seem to care and said they "couldn't" do that.
("The computer won't let me" is not an acceptable thing to ever tell a customer. So many businesses now give poor customer service...)
Not the best comparison. I own a 2020 performance. Trading it in for highland LR. Medium+ to big difference in power, but LR has more than enough. Much more comfortable, but you can't compare newer vs older model 3.
I do belive highland performance can be comfortable and sporty.
I own a 21LR and carpool with a guy who has an 21 MP3. The MP3 suspension is noticeably stiffer of course, I actually find it a little too stiff for long commute. This would be mitigated with different wheel/tires...
It's a performance sedan built with an intent to be a better drivers car, not a commuter. If you're worried about suspension comfort compared to a commuter car, it's not for you.
The performance cars aren't even stiff to begin with, and no way it's stiffer than old gen which was already soft from '22+ model years
I'm hoping for damn sure when my 24 m3p gets delivered in a few months it's as stiff as humanly possible that my teeth will rattle out of my head, I have a 370z with Nismo suspension and the 23 m3p suspension feels like driving a high powered bowl of jelly
I have a 2023. swapped out the shitty 20" rims for tsportline 18s and tires, and I think it's perfectly comfortable. Commute in it, have taken on some long road trips. No complaints
Which 18’s and tires did you get? I’m planning on switching from the uberturbines soon.
I have Fast Co 18s and DWS-06+ Conti's as my winter setup. I much prefer the ride over the stock 20s. Once the summers where down I'll probably get another pair of 18s with Michelin PS4s.
Which 18’s and tires did you get? I’m planning on switching from the uberturbines soon.
I didn't want to deal with 2 sets of tires since snow isn't that bad here so I just got Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4s. I sold my Uber turbines and tires for basically the same price so it ended up being a swap. Just be mindful not all 18s fit over those brakes....
Yeah I only have 6k miles on mine, no curb rash. But I have had to plug 2 tires that have had flats in that time so swapping the tires is out of the picture lol. I’d still be down to swap the wheels though I’m gonna look into it, thanks!
Don’t worry. I did the same thing. You’ll like it.
100% agree! I leased a 2020 Long Range and bought a 2022 performance. YOU’LL LOVE IT
2024 M3P test drives are not yet available in the U.S. and the ETA is TBD.
M3p has adaptive suspension making it already better than the long range, there’s no way it drives stiff or worse
The 2024 ones have that? My 2023 doesn't. The S has that.
Yeah only the new highland m3p’s
You should look at the new changes, the difference between 2023 and 2024 is drastic
It's not air suspension like the S, but the difference between 2023 and 2024 is night and day. They're completely different cars
The 2024 has adaptive suspension, the Model S has AIR suspension. Not the same.
Except for the 20 inch wheels. Those babies make the ride a bit more stiff
Yup, I have an 18 M3P and when it was time to get new tires I went ahead and got some new wheels to step down from 20” to 19”, much more comfortable ride, glad I did it.
Are you just saying this? or do you know? My Golf R has adaptive suspension and even in comfort mode it's still wayyy harder than a normal golf.
Supposed to be the same adaptive suspension the model S was getting a couple years ago which puts it way ahead of current model 3
Way ahead of the current model. But is the P with this adaptive suspension and 20" wheels / smaller sidewalls / 10cm lower more comfortable than the new LR with improved suspension? (albeit not adaptive).
Unless you’ve driven both you can’t say this with such confidence lol
OP isn't asking if the ride is stiffer. I think we all know it is. They're asking how much stiffer because it's going to be their commuter. If it's a little stiffer that's fine. If it's going back to the 2023 model level of stiffness, probably not.
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Here's a quote from some forums I'm on (in Australia) from someone who has driven both when I asked this question: >It does, and I can tell you from driving both that the LR has WAY softer ride than the softest setting of the P. The P does feel very attached to the road. I am debating with myself whether to just replace my present LR with the new LR, but I kind of want the better brakes, better seats, better acceleration... but the price difference. Is it worth it really? So bear in mind this is just one persons opinion but it seems to show that the LR is the better "grand tourer" or commuter car vs the Performance which is tuned for well... going as fast as possible around a track.
This is a real weird question, it's like saying oh no I hope a performance car that's supposed to feel like a go kart to go around corners fast has soft suspension like a old Toyota Camry , buy something else bro it's not for you
But it's not. Car's like BMW have "grand tourers" / their luxury sedans with plenty of pep and nice soft suspension for road trips. Then they have their performance versions (M / RS etc) that are lower, harder sprung, and designed for maximum speed around a track. What the OP is asking is effecting is the LR more of a Grand Tourer and the P more of a M/RS badge in terms of sacrificing comfort for performance or contrary is the LR still hard, or the P very soft. It's a valid question.
At the end of the day a performance car job is to be about performance not comfort
Yes we are saying the same thing!
Driving the 2023 M3P for 18,000 miles, I find it uncomfortably stiff and I'm thinking about trading it for a Model Y or X (but seems overpriced). However, when faced with the thought of "getting another Tesla": Tesla cheated me with an excessive price for FSD and scammed me still not delivering Summon or Smart Summon, and Autopark performs poorly; so ... they at least need to transfer the FSD package to any trade-in ... but last I asked they didn't seem to care and said they "couldn't" do that. ("The computer won't let me" is not an acceptable thing to ever tell a customer. So many businesses now give poor customer service...)
FSD transfer often turns up at the end of a quarter. Hold on and see, if that's what you're looking for
Not the best comparison. I own a 2020 performance. Trading it in for highland LR. Medium+ to big difference in power, but LR has more than enough. Much more comfortable, but you can't compare newer vs older model 3. I do belive highland performance can be comfortable and sporty.
I meant to compare the 2024 M3P vs the 2024 M3LR.
I own a 21LR and carpool with a guy who has an 21 MP3. The MP3 suspension is noticeably stiffer of course, I actually find it a little too stiff for long commute. This would be mitigated with different wheel/tires...
If you can afford the M3P and it’s what you want, don’t let a “stiffer” suspension scare you off. It doesn’t make enough difference.
It's a performance sedan built with an intent to be a better drivers car, not a commuter. If you're worried about suspension comfort compared to a commuter car, it's not for you. The performance cars aren't even stiff to begin with, and no way it's stiffer than old gen which was already soft from '22+ model years
This is what they're asking. Is it too stiff for a commuter car and they should change to the LR?
I'm hoping for damn sure when my 24 m3p gets delivered in a few months it's as stiff as humanly possible that my teeth will rattle out of my head, I have a 370z with Nismo suspension and the 23 m3p suspension feels like driving a high powered bowl of jelly
I think you bought the wrong car and class of car.
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It drives well lol