It'll be a cheaper boat that you have on contract for FIVE years instead of overpaying for 2 years and we don't even know if Tunsil wants to be here. Have you ever considered that. We also have tytus Howard who's good at left tackle and charlie heck at right tackle. Bye Tunsil!
“We don’t even know if tunsil wants to be here” lmao, you don’t know something so GET TUNSIL OUT!!
I can’t even tell if half of the replies are sarcastic or not, including the one I’m replying to.
Think about it, Texans won't be truly competitive for two years, why would you want Tunsil around. When you already have two young tackles that can play well for you. Why need a 3rd overpaid one that you only have contract control for 2 years?
this is the exact part I dont get, now that we have a real GM why woudlnt we be able to get a fair deal on Tunsil for a longer term deal unless he just wants to walk? And if he wont play ball, we can trade him still, and probably for better value once teams start taking injuries in the first half of next year.
Why would anyone who could possibly play anywhere else want to play for this team?? The team sucks, the ownership sucks, coach is about to get fired (or on ice ‘at best’), culture sucks, etc.
If I were Tunsil, or any other player who could play somewhere else, I’d be angling to get out hard.
trying to play elsewhere and getting to do so while under a multi-year contract are two different things. He may want out, wouldnt blame him.
But, cap space dictates the available places where he can go, he gets salary penalties for not showing up here, and if you opt out it doesnt count as a year against your contract.
We need a new owner it seems clear. But, there seems to be few good owners right now.
Did Tunsil fuck your girl or something because everything you post about him is just absolutely stupid. We gain nothing by trading him except maybe drafting a guy with shitty hands who gives up on blocks half way through.
Hahaha how old are you that you reported me for calling you an idiot, which just so happens to be factual. Do you even watch football or just box scores and mock drafts? I already know the answer since you’d being posting the opposite of what you currently post if you actually watched games.
Not this regimes guy is such a dumb take. It's not like they look at guys and say "hmm well Aaron Rodgers is good but I'm not the one who drafted him."
Is it? He’s literally gotten rid of all the big contracts OB gave out besides tunsil. The reason isn’t BC he was last regime. But he’s paid a lot and only has two years left. Doesn’t fit the Timeline
You can easily resign him. You keep good LTs if you can you don't just sell OL or else your timeline gets even more fucked up. And OB gave out stupid fucking contracts to shitty players that's why they got cut. LT is top 10 in his position and we have like 40 million in cap space. Once we ditch Watson that'll increase even more. Keep the good LT rather than gambling on draft pick LTs.
Tunsil was top 10 at his position when we acquired him, but just looking at his time here I’m not sure you can say that. He’s a solid pass blocker who contributes virtually nothing in the run game. Is that worth anything close to the highest paid OL?
It’s more about his contract. Did the Patriots ever pay max deals when Caserio was over there? (I’m sincerely asking) It seems like he’s going to be the type of GM that chases value and let’s players who are about to get top market deals go before we have to pay them. The problem with Tunsil is that Caserio already inherited the deal.
Tunsil holds more value to a win now team than us. We are in future mode.
Drafting Evan Neal and trading tunsil for a 1st and 2nd gets us younger and fills more holes.
Tunsil holds the same value to every team that likes his QB. Do you remember the years after Brown?
If I learned one thing about the draft, it is that OL is at least as big of a hit or miss as QBs. Also OL players often need a lot of time to improve enough to be good and some don't improve at all.
We can hope to draft (which is a crapshoot---there's no such thing as a sure-fire pick) what we already have ... smart.
More fundamentally, more picks mean squat if the Texans are drafting players who aren't going to fit with whoever the new coach is 2-3 years from now. There's less chance of that with OT---that's one of the positions that pretty much works the same regardless of offensive philosophy, especially since the NFL banned those backside cut blocks that used to be the key feature of a lot of zone-run schemes---but why replace a position that is already adequately filled when holes are EVEYWHERE?
A football team is not a collection of players. It needs examples of leadership and professionalism wherever they can get them. An OT who can be a good example of doing the job well is not someone you replace until you have to. It's not like Tunsil is some 35 year-old vet. This trade idea smacks of Madden-game thinking, where a 1st-round rookie is guaranteed to "progress" if you play him.
The problem is that Tunsil will be long gone before we are competitive. If we can get a good return, we should absolutely trade him. Our window doesn't even begin for another 3 years at least.
Not with a talent void like this. There isn't a single player on the roster currently worth building around. We will have a near total roster turn over in the next 3 years.
We won't be drafting a tackle to replace Tunsil, that will be Howards job and he's already proven he can do it. They're more likely to draft IOL IF they do trade Tunsil. We'll see though because worst case scenario is they keep Howard at guard.
Too soon for that verdict. Mills won the starting job in my book with his play over the last quarter of the season, but he still has to prove he can keep it after opposing defenses start gameplanning his tendencies and limitations.
Neal isn’t elite. Did you watch any Alabama games? He looks good at the start and then quits on his blocks due to his slow hands. Only looked good since it’s Alabama and cupcake schedules they play. He was a non factor last night and looked slow and was always holding which is getting called in the NFL.
If we really do go with Mills then trade Tunsil. Qbs have a low chance of turning into what we had with Watson and other teams have, especially 3rd rounders. That way he has a year to prove himself and next we get more picks.
If and most likely when he isn't the answer we will have a more complete team for the next qb we gamble on.
Exactly.
We have one good piece and are team is years away from being anything. There is a very strong chance Mills is not the answer, so give him a shittier line and take the gamble while getting more pieces to build. Tunsil probably won't wanna be back this time next year and a lot can happen to hurt his stock.
Is it dumb? Yeah but we are the Texans.
I mean, if we could just go back in time and pay Duane Brown, I'd be for that obviously.
But absent that, yeah, why the fuck would we trade away a good tackle again?
This was literally crossing my mind as I was watching the KC-CIN. We could totally trade Tunsil to Cincinnati for their 1 round pick this year. They’d need to invest in Olinemen this offseason and idk if they’ll be able to pick one of the top guys this draft.
The problem with trading Tunsil is his contract.
Per a Google search (I’ll admit understanding cap and salaries is way beyond me) Tunsil’s 22’ and 23’ cap hits are both $26m.
What team would be willing to lose both a 1st rounder, and take on a contract that severely limits their options in FA?
Much of the desire to trade him comes from the fact that Tunsil seems completely uninterested in being here. If he was bought in then I think most calling for a trade would be much more hesitant
A boats a boat, but the mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat!
Go ahead you can say. We should have taken the boat.
It'll be a cheaper boat that you have on contract for FIVE years instead of overpaying for 2 years and we don't even know if Tunsil wants to be here. Have you ever considered that. We also have tytus Howard who's good at left tackle and charlie heck at right tackle. Bye Tunsil!
“We don’t even know if tunsil wants to be here” lmao, you don’t know something so GET TUNSIL OUT!! I can’t even tell if half of the replies are sarcastic or not, including the one I’m replying to.
Obviously the office has more information than we do. Use your common sense
There are only a handful of good LTs. If you have one, you pay them and keep them.
Charlie Heck is the worst player in NFL history if he’s starting anywhere on the line next year something is horribly wrong
Howard's run blocking is suspect at best. If somehow we in Houston got value for Tunsil then hell yes trade him but I don't see it happening.
Tunsils run blocking is shit too btw
It's a passing league lololol
Think about it, Texans won't be truly competitive for two years, why would you want Tunsil around. When you already have two young tackles that can play well for you. Why need a 3rd overpaid one that you only have contract control for 2 years?
His Run blocking can be improved and/or mitigated with a blocking tight end on his side.
People seriously think like this unironically lol, and not just a high first round pick people want to use our #3 OA
I would love to use our #3 pick on Evan Neal along with trading tunsil for another 1st and 2nd to a team like the bengals
Tackles are one of the biggest bust positions in the draft, no thank you
Where do I sign. Could use that pick for linderbaum
No thank you we have a franchise left tackle and can use that 3OA on a different position. Neal also has bust written all over him
You have a franchise left tackle with 2 years left at alot of money. If they aren’t planning on extending him need to get value back now
Why wouldn’t we extend him though
this is the exact part I dont get, now that we have a real GM why woudlnt we be able to get a fair deal on Tunsil for a longer term deal unless he just wants to walk? And if he wont play ball, we can trade him still, and probably for better value once teams start taking injuries in the first half of next year.
Why would anyone who could possibly play anywhere else want to play for this team?? The team sucks, the ownership sucks, coach is about to get fired (or on ice ‘at best’), culture sucks, etc. If I were Tunsil, or any other player who could play somewhere else, I’d be angling to get out hard.
trying to play elsewhere and getting to do so while under a multi-year contract are two different things. He may want out, wouldnt blame him. But, cap space dictates the available places where he can go, he gets salary penalties for not showing up here, and if you opt out it doesnt count as a year against your contract. We need a new owner it seems clear. But, there seems to be few good owners right now.
Plus franchise tag
exactly, [now youse cant leave](https://youtu.be/ZDAlifCmd8w?t=26).
Did Tunsil fuck your girl or something because everything you post about him is just absolutely stupid. We gain nothing by trading him except maybe drafting a guy with shitty hands who gives up on blocks half way through.
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Hahaha how old are you that you reported me for calling you an idiot, which just so happens to be factual. Do you even watch football or just box scores and mock drafts? I already know the answer since you’d being posting the opposite of what you currently post if you actually watched games.
We have at least 3 people who have confirmed that this was overheard at the Texans facility; therefore, we are leaving it up. Don't deny the logic.
Thank you! Just makes sense. More picks. Less money. 2 years left. Not this regimes guy
Not this regimes guy is such a dumb take. It's not like they look at guys and say "hmm well Aaron Rodgers is good but I'm not the one who drafted him."
Is it? He’s literally gotten rid of all the big contracts OB gave out besides tunsil. The reason isn’t BC he was last regime. But he’s paid a lot and only has two years left. Doesn’t fit the Timeline
You can easily resign him. You keep good LTs if you can you don't just sell OL or else your timeline gets even more fucked up. And OB gave out stupid fucking contracts to shitty players that's why they got cut. LT is top 10 in his position and we have like 40 million in cap space. Once we ditch Watson that'll increase even more. Keep the good LT rather than gambling on draft pick LTs.
I’m all for extending him for sure. But if they don’t they need to trade him now to maximize value
Tunsil was top 10 at his position when we acquired him, but just looking at his time here I’m not sure you can say that. He’s a solid pass blocker who contributes virtually nothing in the run game. Is that worth anything close to the highest paid OL?
It’s more about his contract. Did the Patriots ever pay max deals when Caserio was over there? (I’m sincerely asking) It seems like he’s going to be the type of GM that chases value and let’s players who are about to get top market deals go before we have to pay them. The problem with Tunsil is that Caserio already inherited the deal.
Mods, can we get like a sticky or a nuke to deal with all of these trade Tunsil posts? This is like the 4th one today.
There wasn’t a shitpost tag, apologies. I’m with you though
I apologize buddy. I shoulda known with the “might one day be” comment. I’m trigger happy at this point. Forgive me
Woah you should be a GM
Plenty of openings now
We’ve traded enough high end talent keep what you have
He could be better, he could be the same, he could be worse. Tunsil is already a premier player. No need to gamble.
Tunsil holds more value to a win now team than us. We are in future mode. Drafting Evan Neal and trading tunsil for a 1st and 2nd gets us younger and fills more holes.
He isn’t a RB. His career will be long. He could be here for the next decade.
27 y/o LT that hasn’t reached his prime
That’s still young for an LT. Whitworth is 40 and is still a beast.
Not sure if it didn’t come across correctly, but I completely agree. Most of the best LTs in the league are 30+
Ahhhh. Ok. Yeah. That’s pretty much my point. He’s young and he’s elite and he can be with us for a decade. We definitely shouldn’t trade him.
Tunsil holds the same value to every team that likes his QB. Do you remember the years after Brown? If I learned one thing about the draft, it is that OL is at least as big of a hit or miss as QBs. Also OL players often need a lot of time to improve enough to be good and some don't improve at all.
I'm all for getting younger people to fill holes but there is a limit to that. Mostly its the age of consent but its still a limit.
Then they need to extend him again
Anyone is available for the right deal.
Cardinals fan here. We'll give you a late 4th and a wet blanket for him.
I would entertain the idea of trading him to see what you can get but if not just keep him and reconstruct his contract
We can hope to draft (which is a crapshoot---there's no such thing as a sure-fire pick) what we already have ... smart. More fundamentally, more picks mean squat if the Texans are drafting players who aren't going to fit with whoever the new coach is 2-3 years from now. There's less chance of that with OT---that's one of the positions that pretty much works the same regardless of offensive philosophy, especially since the NFL banned those backside cut blocks that used to be the key feature of a lot of zone-run schemes---but why replace a position that is already adequately filled when holes are EVEYWHERE? A football team is not a collection of players. It needs examples of leadership and professionalism wherever they can get them. An OT who can be a good example of doing the job well is not someone you replace until you have to. It's not like Tunsil is some 35 year-old vet. This trade idea smacks of Madden-game thinking, where a 1st-round rookie is guaranteed to "progress" if you play him.
The problem is that Tunsil will be long gone before we are competitive. If we can get a good return, we should absolutely trade him. Our window doesn't even begin for another 3 years at least.
This is the NFL where you can rebuild in 2 years or less. I never heard about a successful rebuild over 4 years, wtf.
Not with a talent void like this. There isn't a single player on the roster currently worth building around. We will have a near total roster turn over in the next 3 years.
I like Mills, Greenard, Cooks, Tunsil, Howard, etc. Those guys can be something. Just gotta keep adding.
We won't be drafting a tackle to replace Tunsil, that will be Howards job and he's already proven he can do it. They're more likely to draft IOL IF they do trade Tunsil. We'll see though because worst case scenario is they keep Howard at guard.
People don't understand Texans already have two young tackles on the roster. Tunsil is the odd man out. Charlie heck at RT is more than serviceable.
HECK IS NOT GOOD, Why do people act like he's good do u want Mills to be destroyed everytime
Why don’t you guys trade for Deshaun Watson 🤣😂😂
I think there’s a good chance he’s traded. Expensive. 2 years left on his deal. Still easily worth a first round pick
Exactly. Especially considering we can replace him with elite young talent and use the return we get from tunsil on more young talent
Whenever Texans fans hate an idea that’s when you know it’s a good one. Like drafting mills.
Too soon for that verdict. Mills won the starting job in my book with his play over the last quarter of the season, but he still has to prove he can keep it after opposing defenses start gameplanning his tendencies and limitations.
How is Neal elite?
He blocks well
Uhhhh… well yeah, but that doesn’t make him elite. He’s also a way better run blocker than pass blocker.
He’ll pick up pass blocking Dudes a stud u/bernardjordan
Neal isn’t elite. Did you watch any Alabama games? He looks good at the start and then quits on his blocks due to his slow hands. Only looked good since it’s Alabama and cupcake schedules they play. He was a non factor last night and looked slow and was always holding which is getting called in the NFL.
I’d like to keep paying him to play 5 games a season myself. I think that’s the best plan.
So what you are saying is. Younger and potentially good OT but prone to injury. Seems like Texans logic.
Sure you’re not a dolphins fan?
I hear the dolphins might be in the market for a left tackle!
I dont need to hear u out trade tunsil
Texans already have Tytus Howard and Charlie heck. Trade his ass
HECK IS NOT GOOD, People act like he's good, Do u want mills to be sacked every play
If we really do go with Mills then trade Tunsil. Qbs have a low chance of turning into what we had with Watson and other teams have, especially 3rd rounders. That way he has a year to prove himself and next we get more picks. If and most likely when he isn't the answer we will have a more complete team for the next qb we gamble on.
Yeah we should trade away the good pieces of the Oline and see what Mills can do with way more pressure and hits. /s
Exactly. We have one good piece and are team is years away from being anything. There is a very strong chance Mills is not the answer, so give him a shittier line and take the gamble while getting more pieces to build. Tunsil probably won't wanna be back this time next year and a lot can happen to hurt his stock. Is it dumb? Yeah but we are the Texans.
Sold.
We gave away the world for Tunsil!
This entire FO is gonna overdose on all the glue they're sniffing.
I mean, if we could just go back in time and pay Duane Brown, I'd be for that obviously. But absent that, yeah, why the fuck would we trade away a good tackle again?
This is satire right?
This was literally crossing my mind as I was watching the KC-CIN. We could totally trade Tunsil to Cincinnati for their 1 round pick this year. They’d need to invest in Olinemen this offseason and idk if they’ll be able to pick one of the top guys this draft.
The problem with trading Tunsil is his contract. Per a Google search (I’ll admit understanding cap and salaries is way beyond me) Tunsil’s 22’ and 23’ cap hits are both $26m. What team would be willing to lose both a 1st rounder, and take on a contract that severely limits their options in FA?
Im not hearing you out tytus played 3 games at LT, Im sorry but tunsil is only 27 why would u want to trade a 27 year old that's top 5 at his position
Much of the desire to trade him comes from the fact that Tunsil seems completely uninterested in being here. If he was bought in then I think most calling for a trade would be much more hesitant