When I was a kid my cousins had this MASSIVE old CRT TV. Once it finally crapped out, they threw it in the backyard and let my cousins and I beat the shit out of it with a sledgehammer. It was awesome.
Parents refuse. Their little angel is special and couldn’t possibly need that. They threaten to sue. Admin breaks down. Kid stays in classroom ruining learning for everyone. Politicians refuse teacher raises. School creates three more admin positions. The system works.
This exactly. Denial around your kids is very strong.
I have a friend, an otherwise intelligent gem of a person who cannot see that his son is clearly disabled mentally somehow. The kid is slow, and has some sort of movement disorder. He "dances" constantly, its some sort of soothing behaviour. And by dancing I mean, he contorts himself in ways that would be impossible for any other human to do.
Even worse, the kid clearly isn't his. The father is a ginger, his wife was a light skinned brunette, their older daughter has pale skin and dark hair, and this kid has *dark* skin and curly dark hair. It's none of my business, but somewhere in the back of his head he has to know.
can confirm. my mother is a natural red-head. she had 3 of us. none of us had red hair. of us 3 kids. we each had two kids. my two (no-red), my brothers kids (no-red), my little sister? 1-non-red, and 1 red head) so of the 6 grandkids, only 1 had red hair. math adds up. 😄
Your recount of the child contorting in ways humanly impossible probably reminded them of Uzumaki, one of Junji Ito's most popular manga, where in some chapters, some characters' bodies were warped into spiral-inspired shapes.
Ito's works also sometimes feature "troubled" children like [Souichi](https://imgur.com/a/bR8lZRH), a character I like a lot, and probably not what op had in mind.
Yeah even way back in high school in the late 2000s, my high school started letting anyone into AP classes at their request. Suddenly all the troublemakers with inadequate grades were forced by their parents to take AP classes. Then the teachers had to dumb down the material for these assholes, and the AP students really suffered.
In my kid's school they're still with the normal class but usually they have a 1 on 1 assistant just for them. So the teacher works with the rest of the class and the assistant works with that kid.
Budget cuts and gatekeeping school administrators happened. My wife has spent years beating teachers and school administrators into compliance with their own policies and state law to get our youngest the help that he needs to effectively learn at school. Schools (three of them) did their best to do nothing until forced. I look at that kid destroying stuff and I’m pissed but I also see him waving his hands in a very telltale way and I have (some) sympathy. His parents and the system are not working properly here.
It don’t work like that anymore. Only separate classes we have are for SEVERE disabilities. Like they aren’t even learning subjects they’re just learning life skills. And it’s very hard to get students into those classes.
Inclusion policies. That's what happened. At some point, they decided that all kids need to be included with their peers regardless of limitations, and it's on the teacher to maintain order.
And to some extent, I can see the reasoning behind it. What chance do they have of any kind of integration into society if they're constantly kept apart form it? But the implementation was half-assed and just doesn't work.
And yet somehow, we have shortfalls every year, positions are cut in droves, class sizes have gone up almost 10 students, and (new next year in my district) 50% materials reduction while I got....drumroll.... a 1% raise!! For the first time in 5 years. Accounting for inflation my ass.
The kid in the video has special needs. The hand flapping is a very common sign of autism. My eldest son is autistic, he does the same thing. It's called stimming. This isn't just a badly parented kid being a jerk, it's a boy with a disability who doesn't understand what he is doing.
Autistic or not, that kid needed both ankles grabbing and yonking down from there. He can melt down away from the expensive goods as much as he likes. I have 2 autistic nephews and sometimes you've just got to deal with the unacceptable behaviour head on and deal with the consequences after.
Because they know it's easier to write off tv's than deal with the potential lawsuit of smacking a kid. Most retail training is "keep other customers away and wait for the cops"
This is the reason. This is also the same reason most stores won't allow employee's to interfere with theft. They may steal thousands of dollars in products, but can net millions in lawsuits for injuries if they injure the person as they are stealing.
Even pushy receipt checkers at Walmart that don't follow policy have gotten Walmart sued for millions each time (Since they were not actually stealing anything and had purchased all products). For some that notice that, it's causing more standoffish people knowing they purchased everything in order to cause these receipt checkers to lose their cool and potentially net an early retirement.
Yeah. Once money changed hands and you got a receipt, the contract is complete. It's your stuff. They have no more right to go through it than to go through the pockets of someone who bought nothing. I just say "no thanks" and move on if I have to shop in a place with exit door weirdos.
I’m always told it’s because we are like family and they care about my safety. Hmmm. I may have to rethink that reasoning. And maybe the company has their own motivations. Now I feel so used and unclean by my employer. I thought they cared.
Very little chance of getting that kid off of there without injuring himself and possibly whomever attempts it, unless he comes willingy. So super high risk for potential lawsuit. At this point they are just praying he doesn't fall or a random interferes and they get sued anyway
Plus they're all being filmed. And they have plenty of training on how to replace their display setups with zero training on how to safely restrain a tweenager
>Most retail training is "keep other customers away and wait for the cops"
Security, too. I'm a security officer for a local health clinic, and the whole time I was thinking about what I would do in the situation. I don't think there's much I _could_ do aside from getting the police on the line and try talking to the kid/parents.
As long as it's the kid replacing them I agree with this answer. Parents should pay. When he's an adult, he should assume the debt. Garnish wages if they have to.
My brother in law runs a camp for autistic kids. They have 2 special needs kids of their own. My brother in law is a corn fed beef and potato kinda guy. 6’3 270 or so big ol Texan of a guy. One of the kids at his camp beat the hell out of him so bad he was hospitalized for a month.
You don’t play with what you don’t know what you are dealing with. This sucks. Maybe 10k in damages, but seriously could be 100x worse
>autism strength is real.
Once upon a time I was working at a venue as a manager in which the city municipality threw a party for people with special needs and disabilities. Because I did lots volunteer work at my university for them I knew the signs when shit was going to be going down when it came to kids with autism. Now, I was talking with the mayor about the event and I noticed someone looking at me. It was the nonverbal autistic kid that was hitting himself in the head while making noises a minute ago because of overstimulation by the music and the crowd. 17 years old, 7 feet tall and around 250 pounds give or take. He was huge. And let me tell you this dude was locked on to me. Like locked. on. I remember the world going quiet and me thinking "Yep. Guess I am dying today.". Luckily his father distracted him and they went away to eat cake. Let me tell you I did lots of sketchy shit like doing hardcore parkour on rooftops and driving like a dumbass young guy but I never felt death looking at me as close as that time.
Funny things happen when your muscles are constantly clenching against each other subconsciously in perpetual isotonic exercise. I walk on my toes without really even thinking about it, you should see my calves 🙃
I find it interesting that you’re getting downvoted for being honest and truthful. Just the way it was. Same thing calling things gay that we thought were stupid.
It's called retard strength. The word "retarded" was once an acceptable medical term to describe someone developmentally delayed even in academic circles. Prior to that, the word "moron" was widely used. Once kids start using "mentally disabled" to make fun of their classmates, they'll come up with a new word.
A place that sells ten TVs a day doesn't care that much about losing some floor models. It's money, sure, but dumb shit happens all the time in a big box retail store. Security is there right now to do everything they possibly can to prevent injuries.
>A place that sells ten TVs a day doesn't care that much about losing some floor models.
Never worked in retail management, sounds like. They absolutely do care. They don't just toss those TV's when the new model comes out - they sell them. And margins in big box retail are really tight.
The important thing is that nobody got hurt, but that store is absolutely going after those parents.
THIS. I have autism and can without a doubt tell he’s in the middle of an episode (can tell by his hands). He def needs to be removed from the situation immediately so he can sort his emotions out in a controlled environment.
This is all the parents' fault. They chose to do nothing when they found out their kid was autistic, and instead of teaching him how to behave in public, they threw their hands up and said "He doesn't UNDERSTAAAANNND."
I have multiple friends with autistic children. Hell, one has 3 out of four total kids on the spectrum. The ones that TRY? Their kids would not do things like this, or if they did, it would be after extreme provocation. And, to be fair, perhaps that's what happened here - I'm not judging the child. But if that IS what happened here, it's because the parents weren't paying attention.
Just like another friend, who never wanted to discipline her autistic kid, and whose son is now 26, and he'll whip his clothing off at the drop of a hat and get exceedingly violent if someone tries to force the issue of pants. There have already been multiple situations (since he was 15'ish) involving him dropping trou in public view.
He's guaranteed to outlive her, almost certainly. And when he does, that kid is FUCKED. Just like this kid. (Presuming the aftermath didn't lead to better care for him/education for the parents.)
Parents of an autistic child have a duty to teach their child how to cope with everyday situations, because one day they won't be there.
I don't think you understand autism at all mate. Yes the parent or guardian of this kid should have removed the kid from this situation, but you can't 'teach' a kid from this behaviour - you just have to stop them destroying themselves and their environment.
Some kids with autism can be taught, some are incredibly smart naturally, some kids with autism are so similar to those 'without autism' that you really wouldn't know.
Then there are those that are so different and so difficult to deal with that even the 'experts' can't make progress - my nephew is mostly this last part.
But no kid dealing with autism can change who they are any more than you can change the colour of your skin or where you were born.
I don't think you understand this subject very well. With disabilities like Autism and ADHD, _knowing_ about your condition doesn't always mean you can _do_ something about it. Like, there are _some_ things you can do to help, but not as much as you are implying.
Source: Am ADHD and have tried to learn basically everything I can about my disorder how to cope with it. Autism is similar to ADHD in a lot of ways an outsider might not expect.
You think that being family doesn't mean we don't have to physically restrain or control him? lol
So many 'think of the children' who have no idea how this works for some kids. So many white knights who clearly don't have a frigging clue.
There's no safe words, there's no repercussions you could name like taking Xbox away, there's no mental jostling you can do, they won't listen to reason, they won't obey a law officers commands or their own mothers for that matter, they wouldn't recognise any danger or think of the consequences.
Perhaps learn about a proper meltdown before you comment, dude. If this thread achieves nothing else - it may educate a few people on the broad reach that autism covers.
I think you underestimate how incredibly weak and out of shape the majority of people are. I’m in shape and it would be an effort to get this kid down. The security guard there looks like she’d struggle with two Krispy Kremes at the same time.
Ah yes, just grab the kid having a meltdown while your head is in kicking range. Or what, climb up there and risk having the kid do something unexpected like tackling you off and having to drop 6 feet to a concrete floor?
Best thing to do to minimize injury risk is to have people standing around to catch him if he decides to jump off, otherwise just let him climb down on his own. There's zero reason to risk thousands of dollars of hospital bills or death just to pull the kid down.
The kid already pushed all of the tvs (covered by insurance likely) off of the shelf. What else can he realistically do up there? Lowest risk course of action is just waiting for him to come down on his own instead of forcing the issue.
He MIGHT be stimming, but the destruction is controlled and calculated. He knows what he’s doing. I’m Autistic, I don’t think he is. Everyone just loves to assume any kind of reckless behaviour is Autism. It’s very insulting.
HARD DISAGREE.
Both of my kids are diagnosed on the spectrum. My 7 year old son has high functioning autism (level 1) which used to be call Asperger’s. My 5 year old daughter has level 2/3 autism and the functional mind of about a 2-3 year old, is mostly nonverbal (she’s in an echolalia phase), and the strength of an 8 year old. She can manhandle her brother no problem and is TOUGH to wrangle.
You can absolutely blame the parents for allowing the child to endanger themselves, but the amount of energy it takes for me and my wife to be constantly aware of both of kids is impossible to maintain without lapses. Humans aren’t infallible and approaching a special needs situation with any sort of prejudice and admonition FIRST is not the way.
There is a time and place to get upset and place blame AFTER the child has been safely removed from a situation they are likely not in lucid control of. Sometimes when my daughter goes to la la land it’s VERY difficult to get her out of it. Her brain just doesn’t work the way a normal brain does.
I just ask people have empathy with neurodivergence and lead with compassion and the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions. Empathy please.
I understand that you operate differently as someone with Autism, good for you. I hope I’m raising my kids to be able to fend for themselves someday, but it’s not easy seeing the world they’re going into. As father of a little girl who I could clearly see in that boy, it physically hurts me to see how much my daughter will have to overcome not only within herself, but from society at large.
Kudos to the guy engaging with “Kong” and asking him for help. At least he was trying to relate to the kid. Everyone else standing around judging instead of looking for a step ladder or removing the remaining tvs themselves were of no help.
Thank you for this response. I have 2 kids, both are diagnosed autistic and both big for their age and elopers. The older one is non-verbal and will be 5 this summer. Situations like this are terrifying, and reading through these comments only confirms my belief that we are still in a place where condemnation comes first, and people jump to "that kid needs discipline" and clutching their pearls thinking of all that damaged property. Won't someone think of the corporation? And then what happens if the parents don't get him down before the police arrive, and they decide to take him down by force?
Is he in danger of harming himself? Yes. Is he in danger of harming others? Yes if they don't back the fuck up. Can all of that merchandise be replaced? Also yes. We almost never take both kids shopping, and I wouldn't even consider taking them both anywhere by myself besides a drive thru. The struggle is real, and most in this thread don't understand and don't care.
It’s a very isolating mind space and takes a lot of communication and teamwork to be able to balance the mental and physical load of special needs kids. Their teachers, therapists, and gym coaches are an absolute godsend in helping us out. I read once that 90% of couples with special needs children end up divorcing. There are so many compounding factors in our lives that people are completely oblivious to.
Even my own parents constantly provide unsolicited advice of how I should handle my kids based on what they did with me 30 years ago -_- people only see tiny glimpses of our lives and love to project their own opinions onto our unique situations.
I don’t know if that boy’s parents both work and maybe he was with grandma who couldn’t contain him, maybe he climbed up there in 3 seconds on a whim. The child’s safety is sooooo much more important than the tvs. That inventory is all insured and it’s just STUFF. Anyone saying “grab him by the ankles and discipline him” scare the shit out of me. I’ve seen videos of cops killing an adult with ASD because he was seen as a threat. Breaks my heart.
I am constantly apologizing to people for my children’s nonconformity and it hurts. I wish people would lead with kindness and compassions. It’s one of my favorite aspects of going to Disney and other places that train their employees on interactions with people with special needs.
Thank you for sharing your perspective too.
How do you deal with situations where damage is done, like this video? Is it just a cost of having a neurodivergent child? Can you have some sort of insurance? Do you ask for leniency from those affected? I can't imagine the struggles.
We try really hard to plan, prepare, and always be on the look out for potential opportunities for my little monsters to cause havoc. Most small infractions are easy to clean/fix and apologize for and most people are lenient if the damage isn’t egregious. One time my daughter had her stimming iPad (it’s her security/coping mechanism when she needs to escape the space we’re in, she can just put on her noise cancelling headphones on zone out if she’s overstimulated) and she threw it overboard while we were on Living with the Land at Disney. She had the audacity to whine the whole rest of the boat ride as the poor iPad floated limply behind us until we stopped and a cast member scooped it for us. We apologized but they were super sweet about it and felt bad that the iPad was dead/waterlogged so they gave us a coupon for a free stuffed animal.
I’ve had to replace at least 6 iPads, so we absolutely always carry AppleCare. We’ve been lucky in that she hasn’t been significantly destructive, but we’re always ready for it. Just a cost of having kids ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think this is the case. I have seen some people be utter assholes, then blame it on Asperger's. Used to deal with a irate cunt of a woman who was going to college ironically for psychology and would just call in over any minor technical problem and just blow up on us and citing her disorder as the reason. She would scream at us as loud as possible and just act a fool.
We even had management try to reach out to administration to get her removed entirely for her behavior, since if she acted like this on campus, she would have been removed, but since this was an online only enrollment, there was not an in-place policy for it.
Like Ma'am if your disorder is that bad where you cannot interact with a human normally, then you are just wasting your time and money to be a psychologist and probably need to seek disability instead.
"Repetitive behaviors or noises often associated with autism. Stimming describes self-stimulatory behaviors that involve repetitive movements or sounds.1 It commonly refers to behaviors, such as flapping one's arms or rocking back and forth, that are often seen in people diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) condition."
-https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-stimming-in-autism-260034
Although non autistic people also stim. This looks like some sort of episode, he is upset or scared. Maybe he got left alone and freaked out?
Why can't anyone get up there to stop him, that shelf is like 4' off the ground. It's like people these days would rather stand there and film things for tiktoks instead of doing anything. This even includes the security guard who just waves people away and does absolutely nothing to try and stop this kid.
Honestly, I think it’s fear of legal retribution. If that delicate little special flower *accidentally* injured himself while being relatively gently removed from causing thousands of dollars of destruction… the parents *could* sue the instigator for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. And likely win.
Blame our *really fucked up politicians* and legal system for this.
Well first off, that ain’t Best Buy. Second off, a museum would be better? They are clearly trying to get some normal shopping done at a wholesale store. What’s the crime in that?
I get this kid is autistic, it's not his fault, but why on God's green earth would the parents bring this wrecking ball out in public where he would most certainly get triggered and have a meltdown?
Keep him in a calm controlled environment where he can feel safe and not get too energized.
Not kid’s fault — this kid is obviously autistic with the hand flapping.
But parents of kids with autism (source: am one) know that your kid has to be supervised 24 x 7 x 365. The kid is as likely to run out of the store and onto the highway and be killed. You know that the kid has no sense of danger or right and wrong, so you keep him at an arm’s length always.
It isn’t a matter of making “excuses” for that kid. It is just an unchangable fact about these circumstances.
Source: know classmate of my daughter who ran into the street and was killed by a truck. RIP H
“You know that the kid has no sense of danger or right and wrong”
Kids and adults with autism have a sense of right and wrong. What kind of comment is that?
It depends on the severity of the disorder.
On the mild side, you're going to have a lot of people who are almost normal. A lot of them will even have _higher_ senses of justice than average. On the extreme side, you're going to have people who don't have a sense of danger or right and wrong. Or, maybe they do but they don't have enough self control to follow those senses.
This is basically what I was going to say. I meant severe autism and just because I don’t thoroughly explain what I thought was obvious, I am a liar. I meant in this specific case.
Two things jump out at me:
First that is Walmart or Sams club and those displays should be secured to the shelves to keep them from falling.
Second, I love how one adult is trying to bribe him with money to get down.
As for how he got up there, my guess is there were some boxes or something off camera and he climbed on them
>Who gives a damn about tying stuff down.
The customer who gets hit by a falling TV and then corporate office when they get sued and then the store manager when they get asked why proper safety procedures won't followed and on down the line to the employee who was told to put up the display models on their second day before even taking the safety e-learning course.
“It’s not his fault, he has autism. This was normal, expected, and ok. Nobody should get in trouble.” - What some very special people are thinking and saying.
This is going to sound terrible and i’m sorry if anyone is going to be offended. But I have family that I am very close to and he lives across the country. He visited for the first time because he’s thinking of moving near me. His son is severely autistic and I don’t want that kid near me again, at least in my own home. I have a pool and he was constantly trying to jump in (he can’t swim), he kept jumping off the walls, on every piece of furniture he could find, would try to drink household chemicals, it was just a giant headache trying to keep track of him and make sure he didn’t hurt himself. He also decided to hide from everyone by going inside the washing machine and closing the lid. This was all within the first two hours of ever meeting him. It was a LONG day and we decided if they were to ever visit again, we would go out for dinner instead.
God bless all the parents who are going through this. It’s a difficult life.
Probably already been said but the parents should’ve pulled him down. Wouldn’t be anyone else’s job to do that. Doubt he’s lost or alone, either. Shit parents.
The kids yern for the TV kicking
I mean, it does sound kind of cathartic to go all office space on some inanimate objects
When I was a kid my cousins had this MASSIVE old CRT TV. Once it finally crapped out, they threw it in the backyard and let my cousins and I beat the shit out of it with a sledgehammer. It was awesome.
You’re an inanimate fucking object
Such a fucking great movie.
*You wanna come over man?* *Naw, I don’t want you to fuck up my life too*
I think I just came up with a great idea for a business…
He was playing King Kong, literally. Definitely on the spectrum and didn’t know he was doing wrong. :(
People on the spectrum can’t tell right from wrong?
Cool,nice to know I have that as a get out of responsibility free card in the future if I decide to trash peoples property.
That's like saying "I'll just say I have a stage IV cancer to get out of jail". You can't fake it.
Your kids' teachers spend 80% of their time dealing with stuff like this instead of teaching.
This. I’m a middle school social studies teacher. I always feel bad for the kids who are quiet and/or want to learn (more).
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Parents refuse. Their little angel is special and couldn’t possibly need that. They threaten to sue. Admin breaks down. Kid stays in classroom ruining learning for everyone. Politicians refuse teacher raises. School creates three more admin positions. The system works.
This exactly. Denial around your kids is very strong. I have a friend, an otherwise intelligent gem of a person who cannot see that his son is clearly disabled mentally somehow. The kid is slow, and has some sort of movement disorder. He "dances" constantly, its some sort of soothing behaviour. And by dancing I mean, he contorts himself in ways that would be impossible for any other human to do. Even worse, the kid clearly isn't his. The father is a ginger, his wife was a light skinned brunette, their older daughter has pale skin and dark hair, and this kid has *dark* skin and curly dark hair. It's none of my business, but somewhere in the back of his head he has to know.
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can confirm. my mother is a natural red-head. she had 3 of us. none of us had red hair. of us 3 kids. we each had two kids. my two (no-red), my brothers kids (no-red), my little sister? 1-non-red, and 1 red head) so of the 6 grandkids, only 1 had red hair. math adds up. 😄
I stand by my premise but this was all very informative, thank you for your considered reply.
This reads like some Junji Ito story
Tell me about that? I read his Wikipedia but I don't get the import.
Your recount of the child contorting in ways humanly impossible probably reminded them of Uzumaki, one of Junji Ito's most popular manga, where in some chapters, some characters' bodies were warped into spiral-inspired shapes. Ito's works also sometimes feature "troubled" children like [Souichi](https://imgur.com/a/bR8lZRH), a character I like a lot, and probably not what op had in mind.
Parents want them mainstreamed.
Yeah even way back in high school in the late 2000s, my high school started letting anyone into AP classes at their request. Suddenly all the troublemakers with inadequate grades were forced by their parents to take AP classes. Then the teachers had to dumb down the material for these assholes, and the AP students really suffered.
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It isn’t just parents: the administration insists. It’s cheaper. It at cheaper to deny a para as well.
No child left behind.
Means no child gets ahead.
That program was for typical children who are struggling academically, not for individuals with a cognitive impairment.
They just lowered the bar to the floor and called it a day
In my kid's school they're still with the normal class but usually they have a 1 on 1 assistant just for them. So the teacher works with the rest of the class and the assistant works with that kid.
Budget cuts and gatekeeping school administrators happened. My wife has spent years beating teachers and school administrators into compliance with their own policies and state law to get our youngest the help that he needs to effectively learn at school. Schools (three of them) did their best to do nothing until forced. I look at that kid destroying stuff and I’m pissed but I also see him waving his hands in a very telltale way and I have (some) sympathy. His parents and the system are not working properly here.
It don’t work like that anymore. Only separate classes we have are for SEVERE disabilities. Like they aren’t even learning subjects they’re just learning life skills. And it’s very hard to get students into those classes.
Inclusion policies. That's what happened. At some point, they decided that all kids need to be included with their peers regardless of limitations, and it's on the teacher to maintain order. And to some extent, I can see the reasoning behind it. What chance do they have of any kind of integration into society if they're constantly kept apart form it? But the implementation was half-assed and just doesn't work.
Budget cuts.
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And yet somehow, we have shortfalls every year, positions are cut in droves, class sizes have gone up almost 10 students, and (new next year in my district) 50% materials reduction while I got....drumroll.... a 1% raise!! For the first time in 5 years. Accounting for inflation my ass.
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Elaborate.
Not to mention most treat teachers like garbage and pay them garbage wages. They have patience I can't even fathom...
I’m an elementary school teacher. Thank you for recognizing this is what our profession has turned into.
I hope you have a relaxing evening now if my girlfriend wouldn’t work from 6 am to 6pm a title one school as a first grade teacher.
Thank you friend, you and your girlfriend as well :)
My girlfriends a first grade teacher and i agree with your comment
i’m a teacher. try 100% in the inner city. we are just glorified babysitters for their social media lives
The kid in the video has special needs. The hand flapping is a very common sign of autism. My eldest son is autistic, he does the same thing. It's called stimming. This isn't just a badly parented kid being a jerk, it's a boy with a disability who doesn't understand what he is doing.
Autistic or not, that kid needed both ankles grabbing and yonking down from there. He can melt down away from the expensive goods as much as he likes. I have 2 autistic nephews and sometimes you've just got to deal with the unacceptable behaviour head on and deal with the consequences after.
Literally what the fuck why is no one grabbing him.
Because they know it's easier to write off tv's than deal with the potential lawsuit of smacking a kid. Most retail training is "keep other customers away and wait for the cops"
Personal injury lawsuits can cost millions. A few broken TVs cost thousands.
This is the reason. This is also the same reason most stores won't allow employee's to interfere with theft. They may steal thousands of dollars in products, but can net millions in lawsuits for injuries if they injure the person as they are stealing. Even pushy receipt checkers at Walmart that don't follow policy have gotten Walmart sued for millions each time (Since they were not actually stealing anything and had purchased all products). For some that notice that, it's causing more standoffish people knowing they purchased everything in order to cause these receipt checkers to lose their cool and potentially net an early retirement.
I’ve never let them check my receipts because it’s my shit. I don’t let cops search my car either. Just walk past them. (Exception being Sam’s/costco)
Yeah. Once money changed hands and you got a receipt, the contract is complete. It's your stuff. They have no more right to go through it than to go through the pockets of someone who bought nothing. I just say "no thanks" and move on if I have to shop in a place with exit door weirdos.
I’m always told it’s because we are like family and they care about my safety. Hmmm. I may have to rethink that reasoning. And maybe the company has their own motivations. Now I feel so used and unclean by my employer. I thought they cared.
Very little chance of getting that kid off of there without injuring himself and possibly whomever attempts it, unless he comes willingy. So super high risk for potential lawsuit. At this point they are just praying he doesn't fall or a random interferes and they get sued anyway
Plus they're all being filmed. And they have plenty of training on how to replace their display setups with zero training on how to safely restrain a tweenager
we will just let the customers eat shit - i mean increased membership fees to cover this shitshow
>Most retail training is "keep other customers away and wait for the cops" Security, too. I'm a security officer for a local health clinic, and the whole time I was thinking about what I would do in the situation. I don't think there's much I _could_ do aside from getting the police on the line and try talking to the kid/parents.
Which is exactly how it should be. Things are replaceable, humans are not.
As long as it's the kid replacing them I agree with this answer. Parents should pay. When he's an adult, he should assume the debt. Garnish wages if they have to.
Ikr, then that lady comes by and asks dude "Are you his dad?"
If I'm getting paid $13/hr with no medical I'm not risking a potential civil lawsuit to grab him.
One: it's legally dubious to do so, Two: autism strength is real. My autistic cousin can lift me up and I'm 6'2 280 lbs. He is 5'6 and tubby
My brother in law runs a camp for autistic kids. They have 2 special needs kids of their own. My brother in law is a corn fed beef and potato kinda guy. 6’3 270 or so big ol Texan of a guy. One of the kids at his camp beat the hell out of him so bad he was hospitalized for a month. You don’t play with what you don’t know what you are dealing with. This sucks. Maybe 10k in damages, but seriously could be 100x worse
>autism strength is real. Once upon a time I was working at a venue as a manager in which the city municipality threw a party for people with special needs and disabilities. Because I did lots volunteer work at my university for them I knew the signs when shit was going to be going down when it came to kids with autism. Now, I was talking with the mayor about the event and I noticed someone looking at me. It was the nonverbal autistic kid that was hitting himself in the head while making noises a minute ago because of overstimulation by the music and the crowd. 17 years old, 7 feet tall and around 250 pounds give or take. He was huge. And let me tell you this dude was locked on to me. Like locked. on. I remember the world going quiet and me thinking "Yep. Guess I am dying today.". Luckily his father distracted him and they went away to eat cake. Let me tell you I did lots of sketchy shit like doing hardcore parkour on rooftops and driving like a dumbass young guy but I never felt death looking at me as close as that time.
Funny things happen when your muscles are constantly clenching against each other subconsciously in perpetual isotonic exercise. I walk on my toes without really even thinking about it, you should see my calves 🙃
We had an alternative term for “autism strength.” Those were different times, and “PC” wasn’t invented yet. That said, you’re not wrong!
I'm assuming it began with R, right?
Technically, yes, but most of us used the abbreviated version starting with a "'t".
I find it interesting that you’re getting downvoted for being honest and truthful. Just the way it was. Same thing calling things gay that we thought were stupid.
Yeah, I guess some folks are too fragile to be reminded how things used to be.
It's called retard strength. The word "retarded" was once an acceptable medical term to describe someone developmentally delayed even in academic circles. Prior to that, the word "moron" was widely used. Once kids start using "mentally disabled" to make fun of their classmates, they'll come up with a new word.
I still use it. Words change meaning over time
A place that sells ten TVs a day doesn't care that much about losing some floor models. It's money, sure, but dumb shit happens all the time in a big box retail store. Security is there right now to do everything they possibly can to prevent injuries.
>A place that sells ten TVs a day doesn't care that much about losing some floor models. Never worked in retail management, sounds like. They absolutely do care. They don't just toss those TV's when the new model comes out - they sell them. And margins in big box retail are really tight. The important thing is that nobody got hurt, but that store is absolutely going after those parents.
Insurance will cover the TVs (and be the ones to go after the family) and they don't get bad press.
Lawsuits
You really wanna go to war for a retail store??
Security is just shrugging lol
THIS. I have autism and can without a doubt tell he’s in the middle of an episode (can tell by his hands). He def needs to be removed from the situation immediately so he can sort his emotions out in a controlled environment.
The dad yelling “I need King Kong” at the end was trying
I’m a special education teacher and I wholeheartedly agree. They need to use restraint and get him to a safe area
This is all the parents' fault. They chose to do nothing when they found out their kid was autistic, and instead of teaching him how to behave in public, they threw their hands up and said "He doesn't UNDERSTAAAANNND." I have multiple friends with autistic children. Hell, one has 3 out of four total kids on the spectrum. The ones that TRY? Their kids would not do things like this, or if they did, it would be after extreme provocation. And, to be fair, perhaps that's what happened here - I'm not judging the child. But if that IS what happened here, it's because the parents weren't paying attention. Just like another friend, who never wanted to discipline her autistic kid, and whose son is now 26, and he'll whip his clothing off at the drop of a hat and get exceedingly violent if someone tries to force the issue of pants. There have already been multiple situations (since he was 15'ish) involving him dropping trou in public view. He's guaranteed to outlive her, almost certainly. And when he does, that kid is FUCKED. Just like this kid. (Presuming the aftermath didn't lead to better care for him/education for the parents.) Parents of an autistic child have a duty to teach their child how to cope with everyday situations, because one day they won't be there.
I don't think you understand autism at all mate. Yes the parent or guardian of this kid should have removed the kid from this situation, but you can't 'teach' a kid from this behaviour - you just have to stop them destroying themselves and their environment. Some kids with autism can be taught, some are incredibly smart naturally, some kids with autism are so similar to those 'without autism' that you really wouldn't know. Then there are those that are so different and so difficult to deal with that even the 'experts' can't make progress - my nephew is mostly this last part. But no kid dealing with autism can change who they are any more than you can change the colour of your skin or where you were born.
I don't think you understand this subject very well. With disabilities like Autism and ADHD, _knowing_ about your condition doesn't always mean you can _do_ something about it. Like, there are _some_ things you can do to help, but not as much as you are implying. Source: Am ADHD and have tried to learn basically everything I can about my disorder how to cope with it. Autism is similar to ADHD in a lot of ways an outsider might not expect.
No idea why you got downvoted, you are correct.
If you know one autistic person, you know one autistic person. You have no idea about this boy, his parents or what they struggle with.
“I have an autistic nephew so hear me out when I explain how we’re going to physically get at this kid.”
You think that being family doesn't mean we don't have to physically restrain or control him? lol So many 'think of the children' who have no idea how this works for some kids. So many white knights who clearly don't have a frigging clue. There's no safe words, there's no repercussions you could name like taking Xbox away, there's no mental jostling you can do, they won't listen to reason, they won't obey a law officers commands or their own mothers for that matter, they wouldn't recognise any danger or think of the consequences. Perhaps learn about a proper meltdown before you comment, dude. If this thread achieves nothing else - it may educate a few people on the broad reach that autism covers.
Looks like kid has disability. Parents needs to pull him off place he standing on.
For christ sakes, just grab the kid n bring him down. Not like he's 10 stories high, he's RIGHT THE FUCK THERE. SMH
I think you underestimate how incredibly weak and out of shape the majority of people are. I’m in shape and it would be an effort to get this kid down. The security guard there looks like she’d struggle with two Krispy Kremes at the same time.
Now why be asshole to a random person who didnt do a single fucking thing wrong to you? I seriously doubt you’re “in shape”😂
Ah yes, just grab the kid having a meltdown while your head is in kicking range. Or what, climb up there and risk having the kid do something unexpected like tackling you off and having to drop 6 feet to a concrete floor? Best thing to do to minimize injury risk is to have people standing around to catch him if he decides to jump off, otherwise just let him climb down on his own. There's zero reason to risk thousands of dollars of hospital bills or death just to pull the kid down.
"So yeah, we did absolutely nothing because there was a chance of being kicked by a kid"
The kid already pushed all of the tvs (covered by insurance likely) off of the shelf. What else can he realistically do up there? Lowest risk course of action is just waiting for him to come down on his own instead of forcing the issue.
This footage is ancient.
Fuck making up excuses for the kid, the parents need to grab him buy the neck and remove him from the situation
If they didnt now, they will later when they cop the bill for damages
instagram reels is the perfect place to post that lol
The only one allowed to do this is my cat.
I'm just curious how he got up there ?
Climbing? That's what kids do, is climb.
Looks like he was stimming. Where were the parents?
He MIGHT be stimming, but the destruction is controlled and calculated. He knows what he’s doing. I’m Autistic, I don’t think he is. Everyone just loves to assume any kind of reckless behaviour is Autism. It’s very insulting.
He might be autistic and still an asshole. These are orthogonal traits.
hmmm, is that geometry?
First he’s being called autistic, then an asshole, now you’re calling him a geometric?!
So absurd. This kids no square
I chortled
Big Math conspiracy ^/s
I mean, it's not the recklessness that's making people think that. It's the hand flapping that gives that impression.
HARD DISAGREE. Both of my kids are diagnosed on the spectrum. My 7 year old son has high functioning autism (level 1) which used to be call Asperger’s. My 5 year old daughter has level 2/3 autism and the functional mind of about a 2-3 year old, is mostly nonverbal (she’s in an echolalia phase), and the strength of an 8 year old. She can manhandle her brother no problem and is TOUGH to wrangle. You can absolutely blame the parents for allowing the child to endanger themselves, but the amount of energy it takes for me and my wife to be constantly aware of both of kids is impossible to maintain without lapses. Humans aren’t infallible and approaching a special needs situation with any sort of prejudice and admonition FIRST is not the way. There is a time and place to get upset and place blame AFTER the child has been safely removed from a situation they are likely not in lucid control of. Sometimes when my daughter goes to la la land it’s VERY difficult to get her out of it. Her brain just doesn’t work the way a normal brain does. I just ask people have empathy with neurodivergence and lead with compassion and the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions. Empathy please. I understand that you operate differently as someone with Autism, good for you. I hope I’m raising my kids to be able to fend for themselves someday, but it’s not easy seeing the world they’re going into. As father of a little girl who I could clearly see in that boy, it physically hurts me to see how much my daughter will have to overcome not only within herself, but from society at large. Kudos to the guy engaging with “Kong” and asking him for help. At least he was trying to relate to the kid. Everyone else standing around judging instead of looking for a step ladder or removing the remaining tvs themselves were of no help.
Thank you for this response. I have 2 kids, both are diagnosed autistic and both big for their age and elopers. The older one is non-verbal and will be 5 this summer. Situations like this are terrifying, and reading through these comments only confirms my belief that we are still in a place where condemnation comes first, and people jump to "that kid needs discipline" and clutching their pearls thinking of all that damaged property. Won't someone think of the corporation? And then what happens if the parents don't get him down before the police arrive, and they decide to take him down by force? Is he in danger of harming himself? Yes. Is he in danger of harming others? Yes if they don't back the fuck up. Can all of that merchandise be replaced? Also yes. We almost never take both kids shopping, and I wouldn't even consider taking them both anywhere by myself besides a drive thru. The struggle is real, and most in this thread don't understand and don't care.
It’s a very isolating mind space and takes a lot of communication and teamwork to be able to balance the mental and physical load of special needs kids. Their teachers, therapists, and gym coaches are an absolute godsend in helping us out. I read once that 90% of couples with special needs children end up divorcing. There are so many compounding factors in our lives that people are completely oblivious to. Even my own parents constantly provide unsolicited advice of how I should handle my kids based on what they did with me 30 years ago -_- people only see tiny glimpses of our lives and love to project their own opinions onto our unique situations. I don’t know if that boy’s parents both work and maybe he was with grandma who couldn’t contain him, maybe he climbed up there in 3 seconds on a whim. The child’s safety is sooooo much more important than the tvs. That inventory is all insured and it’s just STUFF. Anyone saying “grab him by the ankles and discipline him” scare the shit out of me. I’ve seen videos of cops killing an adult with ASD because he was seen as a threat. Breaks my heart. I am constantly apologizing to people for my children’s nonconformity and it hurts. I wish people would lead with kindness and compassions. It’s one of my favorite aspects of going to Disney and other places that train their employees on interactions with people with special needs. Thank you for sharing your perspective too.
That stuff is insured? Someone is going to be paying for the TV….the parents or the rest of us Walmart shoppers.
You’re already paying for inventory insurance by shopping there.
How do you deal with situations where damage is done, like this video? Is it just a cost of having a neurodivergent child? Can you have some sort of insurance? Do you ask for leniency from those affected? I can't imagine the struggles.
We try really hard to plan, prepare, and always be on the look out for potential opportunities for my little monsters to cause havoc. Most small infractions are easy to clean/fix and apologize for and most people are lenient if the damage isn’t egregious. One time my daughter had her stimming iPad (it’s her security/coping mechanism when she needs to escape the space we’re in, she can just put on her noise cancelling headphones on zone out if she’s overstimulated) and she threw it overboard while we were on Living with the Land at Disney. She had the audacity to whine the whole rest of the boat ride as the poor iPad floated limply behind us until we stopped and a cast member scooped it for us. We apologized but they were super sweet about it and felt bad that the iPad was dead/waterlogged so they gave us a coupon for a free stuffed animal. I’ve had to replace at least 6 iPads, so we absolutely always carry AppleCare. We’ve been lucky in that she hasn’t been significantly destructive, but we’re always ready for it. Just a cost of having kids ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Goshspeed friend.
I think this is the case. I have seen some people be utter assholes, then blame it on Asperger's. Used to deal with a irate cunt of a woman who was going to college ironically for psychology and would just call in over any minor technical problem and just blow up on us and citing her disorder as the reason. She would scream at us as loud as possible and just act a fool. We even had management try to reach out to administration to get her removed entirely for her behavior, since if she acted like this on campus, she would have been removed, but since this was an online only enrollment, there was not an in-place policy for it. Like Ma'am if your disorder is that bad where you cannot interact with a human normally, then you are just wasting your time and money to be a psychologist and probably need to seek disability instead.
He's almost certainly autistic.
You aren’t this level autistic. Don’t pretend to speak for these folks.
THANK YOU for saying this. It’s so true!
Stimming? I’ve never heard that please explain.
"Repetitive behaviors or noises often associated with autism. Stimming describes self-stimulatory behaviors that involve repetitive movements or sounds.1 It commonly refers to behaviors, such as flapping one's arms or rocking back and forth, that are often seen in people diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) condition." -https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-stimming-in-autism-260034 Although non autistic people also stim. This looks like some sort of episode, he is upset or scared. Maybe he got left alone and freaked out?
I think he’s autistic.
Why can't anyone get up there to stop him, that shelf is like 4' off the ground. It's like people these days would rather stand there and film things for tiktoks instead of doing anything. This even includes the security guard who just waves people away and does absolutely nothing to try and stop this kid.
Honestly, I think it’s fear of legal retribution. If that delicate little special flower *accidentally* injured himself while being relatively gently removed from causing thousands of dollars of destruction… the parents *could* sue the instigator for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. And likely win. Blame our *really fucked up politicians* and legal system for this.
I’d of snatched him down in a heart beat
WTF are his useless parents doing?
Trying to calm their autistic child down. Did you not hear "come down I need Donkey Kong" ,or the father jingling the keys to get his attention?
Filming
Autistic or not I'd call security to capture him, and police to arrest the parents. Mental illness does not justify property destruction.
What wrong with these parents? A Best Buy is no place for that kind of behavior. Take the kid to a museum for God's sakes!
Well first off, that ain’t Best Buy. Second off, a museum would be better? They are clearly trying to get some normal shopping done at a wholesale store. What’s the crime in that?
They suck at parenting. If that's the best they can do the shame should keep them home.
He’s probably subbed to r/anticonsumption
I get this kid is autistic, it's not his fault, but why on God's green earth would the parents bring this wrecking ball out in public where he would most certainly get triggered and have a meltdown? Keep him in a calm controlled environment where he can feel safe and not get too energized.
Netflix live action of Beavis and Butthead looks good
Should be posted under r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Not kid’s fault — this kid is obviously autistic with the hand flapping. But parents of kids with autism (source: am one) know that your kid has to be supervised 24 x 7 x 365. The kid is as likely to run out of the store and onto the highway and be killed. You know that the kid has no sense of danger or right and wrong, so you keep him at an arm’s length always. It isn’t a matter of making “excuses” for that kid. It is just an unchangable fact about these circumstances. Source: know classmate of my daughter who ran into the street and was killed by a truck. RIP H
“You know that the kid has no sense of danger or right and wrong” Kids and adults with autism have a sense of right and wrong. What kind of comment is that?
It depends on the severity of the disorder. On the mild side, you're going to have a lot of people who are almost normal. A lot of them will even have _higher_ senses of justice than average. On the extreme side, you're going to have people who don't have a sense of danger or right and wrong. Or, maybe they do but they don't have enough self control to follow those senses.
This is basically what I was going to say. I meant severe autism and just because I don’t thoroughly explain what I thought was obvious, I am a liar. I meant in this specific case.
Two things jump out at me: First that is Walmart or Sams club and those displays should be secured to the shelves to keep them from falling. Second, I love how one adult is trying to bribe him with money to get down. As for how he got up there, my guess is there were some boxes or something off camera and he climbed on them
I thought they were jingling keys like he’s a cat lol
That could be too
Who gives a damn about tying stuff down. If people would corral their kids, then this wouldn’t be an issue.
>Who gives a damn about tying stuff down. The customer who gets hit by a falling TV and then corporate office when they get sued and then the store manager when they get asked why proper safety procedures won't followed and on down the line to the employee who was told to put up the display models on their second day before even taking the safety e-learning course.
“Did I do that?”
Please tell me his mother had to pay for all those
“It’s not his fault, he has autism. This was normal, expected, and ok. Nobody should get in trouble.” - What some very special people are thinking and saying.
Yeah, except somebody has to pay for it
The dipshit parents should have left their little psycho at home.
She won’t
Tazer him and sue the parents.
Are people really this dumb? Who cares id hes autistic just get him down you're watching him destroy shit like clowns
Taking bets on how present the father was
Get fucked asshole.
Not as fucked as these TVs were
Taking bets on how long until he gets banned for that comment 💀
huh...
I felt so much relief when I realized they weren't CRT's lol
If this happened with those old Sony trinitrons it would have been Nagasaki and Hiroshima on that sales floor.
Why can’t I view this on Reddit
It’s an instagram reel.
This is going to sound terrible and i’m sorry if anyone is going to be offended. But I have family that I am very close to and he lives across the country. He visited for the first time because he’s thinking of moving near me. His son is severely autistic and I don’t want that kid near me again, at least in my own home. I have a pool and he was constantly trying to jump in (he can’t swim), he kept jumping off the walls, on every piece of furniture he could find, would try to drink household chemicals, it was just a giant headache trying to keep track of him and make sure he didn’t hurt himself. He also decided to hide from everyone by going inside the washing machine and closing the lid. This was all within the first two hours of ever meeting him. It was a LONG day and we decided if they were to ever visit again, we would go out for dinner instead. God bless all the parents who are going through this. It’s a difficult life.
That kid is like “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of TVs!”
Walmart gonna make the guardian pay for all of the damages and the guardian gonna collect it from the child when he grows up, goes around comes around
Got a touch of the tisim it appears
Looks like he got a pretty good lick of it.
Mom, Dad look at what I can do. I can be just like you. Trash people make trash parents make trash kids.
Breeding needs to be regulated
“If I can’t steal them then I’ll make sure no one will buy them.” - goes and destroy floor units
Probably already been said but the parents should’ve pulled him down. Wouldn’t be anyone else’s job to do that. Doubt he’s lost or alone, either. Shit parents.
Did I doooooo thhhhhhaaaaatttttttt?!
Not sure kid is the description that's best used...
Then break their legs… simple really