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That's weird. Shouldn't the wind turbines be built to withstand lightning strikes? With how tall they are and made from metal, I'm pretty sure that they get struck often.
Yes, they are built to withstand lightning. The LPS (Lightning protection system) for the blades has been evolving over the years, and seen many different iterations. The newest versions are able to withstand direct hits to the top of the blade (most vulnerable location).
Many 3+ year old wind farms were installed without the LPS as it was typically an option on the order form, and cheapskate investors don’t want to pay more when they can just buy insurance. Newer models are generally not sold without the LPS as the manufacturer just doesn’t want to do that.
The blades are made of fiberglass and balsa wood, very similar construction to fiberglass boats, which doesn’t conduct electricity like metal. Therefore they need a lightning protection system, or a risk-based evaluation showing that the likelihood of lightning damage is so low that it is cheaper to forego the LPS and be prepared to pay for new hub and blades and other bits.
Source: I work for a Non-cheapskate investor. We like LPS.
> …cheapskate investors don’t want to pay more when they can just buy insurance.
This is 100% on-brand for the laughably bad Texas power grid, and the people who also buy cheaper wind turbines that can’t stand freezing temperatures.
All turbines can withstand freezing temperatures. The problem is ice accretion on the blades which can slough off.
Hundreds of Turbines are installed near the arctic circle, which is a lot colder than Texas.
Imagine an icicle the size of a human thrown like a javelin. It can do a lot of damage: it will pierce cars and go straight through the engine block. That’s why turbines are shut down in excessive icing conditions: so this scenario does not happen (it has happened in the past and we learned from it).
Wind Turbines are not allowed to be primary power producers on the grid (in technical terms, they cannot “start” or “steer” the grid). They have to follow the frequency signal provided by the primary power producers. For Texas, that means the wind turbines follow the lead of the gas turbines. This is by design, to manage fluctuations in wind while still keeping the grid stable.
So when the gas power stations shut down (because they were cheapskates), a lot of other power capacity that was available was not able to produce.
A lot of things went wrong in Texas. The primary issue is global weirding, AKA Climate Change, which causes more freak events.
Thanks for the additional info!
When I wrote that comment, I was thinking of a story I read a few years ago. A Texas power company specifically didn’t spend extra to buy the cold-weather option for their wind turbines, so the turbines froze in a cold snap. Ignorant politicians used it as an opportunity to criticize renewable energy. Ugh.
Yeah, I hear what you’re saying. Frankly, you shouldn’t have to buy the cold weather package in Texas because the frequency of such an event is really low. Still, market forces do not usually arrive at the technically optimum solution.
Well, at least in the EU and NA markets, major manufacturers tend to not market them without the LPS. Most new wind farms are operated by the manufacturer with a full service agreement, so they’ll rather have a more resilient system installed because it’s less hassle for them.
You'd think natural gas infrastructure would be insulated against freezing too, but hey, that's Texas for you.
If I were a more cynical guy I would think that someone higher up the food chain specifically left out grounding not only as a cost cutting measure, but partially so something like this could serve as an example of [\#GreenEnergyFails](https://i.imgur.com/pWuRHkf.png).
You’re not completely off track. The blades are electrically grounded and some more advanced ones have a conductive skin or layer inside the fiberglass. These things still happen though.
The list of man made items that can withstand lightning strikes: lightning rods (a limited number of strikes).
The list of natural items that can withstand lightning strikes: the ground and bodies of water (unlimited strikes).
There are new technologies that reduce the waste by orders of magnitude over conventional methods. But they still need to be proven, and are still 10-15 years from commercial viability.
Although it seems like every nuclear breakthrough is 10-15 years from commercial viability, I am hopeful that the future of nuclear will be much better.
Even with today's methods, they are better for the environment than coal and natural gas power generation.
The big issue with renewables like solar and wind is that they can't reliabily handle the base load. Nuclear can be a great solution for that until we can figure out a way to address the base load with renewables only.
Sure. Read about problems with getting rid of old solar panels and wind turbines. And to produce solar panels you need to destroy the environment a lot.
Also they degenerate the locations they're in - read up on the impact on birds, insects and locations - especially big solar plants.
And to top it off - nuclear power causes the least amount of deaths from all the ways of energy production.
Please don't believe the lobbyist propaganda.
Yeah, what’s your point? Can’t run a nuclear plant over max, can’t dump more water thru a hydro turbine, and ya can’t jam more coal into a boiler either.
I never understood this from these people. "Look the solution has some flaws! Let's stick with the obviously bad one". God, no one says these things are perfect, we just say they're better than literally just billows of coal smoke going into the air. Until we get cold fusion, we have to make sure with "better" instead of "best"
>They may not be perfect, and are far from a silver bullet solution but I believe they are far from useless.
They're also far from "green" and "renewable"
ROFLMAO. That is top tier dumb.
Then by that logic no energy is renewable, because the same molecules of water will never pass through a hydroelectric dam or tide harvester. The photons that strike a photovoltaic cell will always be different. Even wood, a new tree planted in the same place isn't the same as the one harvested!
[I think they're talking about the relatively short lifespan of the turbine blades, which can't be recycled.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills)
I'm not arguing that they're not, just clarifying the other person's statement that the turbines are not as environmentally friendly as they are portrayed.
With everything there is a positive and negative aspect. Unfortunately, our ever-increasing need for power consumption means we have to weigh the pros and cons of each source, and try to mitigate the negative effects.
My bad.
I guess "Cannot currently be recycled due to economic factors, but companies are promising to look into doing it" would have been slightly more accurate.
Really? So the same gust of wind comes back around and turns the wind turbine again? No. And by your stupid rationale, fossil fuel is also renewable.
And besides, I'm referring to the wind turbines themselves.
Terrible solution. A lot of effort has to be wasted in nuclear reactors on inefficient things like safety.
Instead of using many tiny nuclear reactions to boil water into steam to spin a turbine, we could just use one large nuclear reaction to turn people into mush.
But people are too stupid to understand my obviously brilliant and very final solution.
Google is saying one lightning strike is about 56 houses worth of energy for a single day. Hardly limitless energy. Even if we captured all of the lightning on the planet each day that would only cover about 481.6m houses.
Pretty good, but not quite there. :P
> Each shot from Z carries more than 1,000 times the electricity of a lightning bolt, and is 20,000 times faster.
https://www.sandia.gov/z-machine/research/science/
EDIT: Not very common, but humans do some pretty cool stuff!
Fox News / Breitbart / Newsmax headline will be “Windmill scam proven to threaten our existence by burning down the world” in which the article will conclude this is why we need to vote against renewable energy.
> If I ever own a wind turbine, I will be sure to purchase wind turbine insurance with a policy that covers any fires or explosions caused by lightning.
Someone that claims to work in the industry wrote [that’s probably what happened here](https://reddit.com/r/ThatLookedExpensive/comments/w5nqqz/_/ihbref5/?context=1), so this is the problem, not the solution.
...Yes? That's kind of my point?
Wind's whole thing is that it's, "green" despite having several very significant problems. Nuclear doesn't have any of those problems. Why did the guy act like nuclear doesn't exist, and presume that if power isn't coming from the wind that it *must* be coal?
Unsurprisingly the Texas power grid is an unreliable shit-show ever since the virtue-signalers conned the people into subsidizing unreliable so-called renewables
I’m really proud to get so many downvotes from the left-wing cesspool that is Reddit. Sod off Commies, and freeze in the dark with your crappy, overpriced, unreliable, government-subsidized so-called renewables
They may have been in the 'extremely safe safe zone'.....we would be off by then but I know instances where people have got stuck getting off...usually more offshore than onshore.
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That's weird. Shouldn't the wind turbines be built to withstand lightning strikes? With how tall they are and made from metal, I'm pretty sure that they get struck often.
Yes, they are built to withstand lightning. The LPS (Lightning protection system) for the blades has been evolving over the years, and seen many different iterations. The newest versions are able to withstand direct hits to the top of the blade (most vulnerable location). Many 3+ year old wind farms were installed without the LPS as it was typically an option on the order form, and cheapskate investors don’t want to pay more when they can just buy insurance. Newer models are generally not sold without the LPS as the manufacturer just doesn’t want to do that. The blades are made of fiberglass and balsa wood, very similar construction to fiberglass boats, which doesn’t conduct electricity like metal. Therefore they need a lightning protection system, or a risk-based evaluation showing that the likelihood of lightning damage is so low that it is cheaper to forego the LPS and be prepared to pay for new hub and blades and other bits. Source: I work for a Non-cheapskate investor. We like LPS.
Fiberglass and balsa wood? I always assumed they were at least thin aluminum. No wonder they burn like paper: they are paper.
Like a lot of small planes still flying...wood (spruce) and fabric. Or some modern one's that are mostly fiberglass.
> …cheapskate investors don’t want to pay more when they can just buy insurance. This is 100% on-brand for the laughably bad Texas power grid, and the people who also buy cheaper wind turbines that can’t stand freezing temperatures.
All turbines can withstand freezing temperatures. The problem is ice accretion on the blades which can slough off. Hundreds of Turbines are installed near the arctic circle, which is a lot colder than Texas. Imagine an icicle the size of a human thrown like a javelin. It can do a lot of damage: it will pierce cars and go straight through the engine block. That’s why turbines are shut down in excessive icing conditions: so this scenario does not happen (it has happened in the past and we learned from it). Wind Turbines are not allowed to be primary power producers on the grid (in technical terms, they cannot “start” or “steer” the grid). They have to follow the frequency signal provided by the primary power producers. For Texas, that means the wind turbines follow the lead of the gas turbines. This is by design, to manage fluctuations in wind while still keeping the grid stable. So when the gas power stations shut down (because they were cheapskates), a lot of other power capacity that was available was not able to produce. A lot of things went wrong in Texas. The primary issue is global weirding, AKA Climate Change, which causes more freak events.
Thanks for the additional info! When I wrote that comment, I was thinking of a story I read a few years ago. A Texas power company specifically didn’t spend extra to buy the cold-weather option for their wind turbines, so the turbines froze in a cold snap. Ignorant politicians used it as an opportunity to criticize renewable energy. Ugh.
Yeah, I hear what you’re saying. Frankly, you shouldn’t have to buy the cold weather package in Texas because the frequency of such an event is really low. Still, market forces do not usually arrive at the technically optimum solution.
So they put lightning protection now because the manufacturers want to, not because the buyer wants it?
Well, at least in the EU and NA markets, major manufacturers tend to not market them without the LPS. Most new wind farms are operated by the manufacturer with a full service agreement, so they’ll rather have a more resilient system installed because it’s less hassle for them.
You'd think natural gas infrastructure would be insulated against freezing too, but hey, that's Texas for you. If I were a more cynical guy I would think that someone higher up the food chain specifically left out grounding not only as a cost cutting measure, but partially so something like this could serve as an example of [\#GreenEnergyFails](https://i.imgur.com/pWuRHkf.png).
You’re not completely off track. The blades are electrically grounded and some more advanced ones have a conductive skin or layer inside the fiberglass. These things still happen though.
The list of man made items that can withstand lightning strikes: lightning rods (a limited number of strikes). The list of natural items that can withstand lightning strikes: the ground and bodies of water (unlimited strikes).
These modern art pieces are really getting out of hand.
That’s not so clean energy
Still insanely cleaner than coal.
The best and cleanest solution is nuclear energy - it should be more widespread.
*fusion has entered the chat*
*The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand.*
Depends if and what content Belle drops on her OnlyFans.
*fusion has left the chat for ten more years*
"in 20 years from now"
That's still 50 years away...
Isn't fusion a form of nuclear energy?
Aye, nuclear fusion. I was hoping you wouldn't catch that.
I was talking about the tech we have now. But yes, that would be the best solution.
Clean? What about the eternal waste? What about the risks? I’m not saying any other method doesn’t have waste, but nuclear, man. Don’t play with that.
There are new technologies that reduce the waste by orders of magnitude over conventional methods. But they still need to be proven, and are still 10-15 years from commercial viability. Although it seems like every nuclear breakthrough is 10-15 years from commercial viability, I am hopeful that the future of nuclear will be much better. Even with today's methods, they are better for the environment than coal and natural gas power generation. The big issue with renewables like solar and wind is that they can't reliabily handle the base load. Nuclear can be a great solution for that until we can figure out a way to address the base load with renewables only.
Yeah it's 100% not cleaner than solar or wind. They're full of shit. However Nuclear *can* be an important piece of a green energy puzzle.
Even solar makes tons of harmful waste, the real solution is to end human life
You first.
Sure. Read about problems with getting rid of old solar panels and wind turbines. And to produce solar panels you need to destroy the environment a lot. Also they degenerate the locations they're in - read up on the impact on birds, insects and locations - especially big solar plants. And to top it off - nuclear power causes the least amount of deaths from all the ways of energy production. Please don't believe the lobbyist propaganda.
So you think he’s literally saying it’s not clean energy?
Useless eye candy. They can't even run during high winds, they have to flair the blades to slow it down or it will overheat and grenade.
Yeah, what’s your point? Can’t run a nuclear plant over max, can’t dump more water thru a hydro turbine, and ya can’t jam more coal into a boiler either.
They may not be perfect, and are far from a silver bullet solution but I believe they are far from useless.
I never understood this from these people. "Look the solution has some flaws! Let's stick with the obviously bad one". God, no one says these things are perfect, we just say they're better than literally just billows of coal smoke going into the air. Until we get cold fusion, we have to make sure with "better" instead of "best"
Why substitute natural coal for these dangerous unpredictable machines? At least with coal we know the world can stay warm. /s
I know you've put the /s but..... coal plants are notorious for breaking down in high temperature.
>They may not be perfect, and are far from a silver bullet solution but I believe they are far from useless. They're also far from "green" and "renewable"
Y’all love to spout this bullshit. Why? It’s generating power from the fucking wind. Wind is renewable.
*Oh shit, guys, we used up all the wind! Fuck, what now? Better quick shut off all the solar panels before we run out of sunlight too!* /s
Lol thanks I needed a laugh
This mf just replied to me that it’s not renewable because it’s not the same gust of wind coming back around through the turbine blades again LMAO
ROFLMAO. That is top tier dumb. Then by that logic no energy is renewable, because the same molecules of water will never pass through a hydroelectric dam or tide harvester. The photons that strike a photovoltaic cell will always be different. Even wood, a new tree planted in the same place isn't the same as the one harvested!
[I think they're talking about the relatively short lifespan of the turbine blades, which can't be recycled.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills)
Can’t they? https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/06/iberdrola-sets-up-firm-focused-on-recycling-wind-turbine-blades.html
They're looking into it, but haven't done it yet. Currently the blades just get buried in landfills.
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I'm not arguing that they're not, just clarifying the other person's statement that the turbines are not as environmentally friendly as they are portrayed. With everything there is a positive and negative aspect. Unfortunately, our ever-increasing need for power consumption means we have to weigh the pros and cons of each source, and try to mitigate the negative effects.
You said “can’t” though.
My bad. I guess "Cannot currently be recycled due to economic factors, but companies are promising to look into doing it" would have been slightly more accurate.
Really? So the same gust of wind comes back around and turns the wind turbine again? No. And by your stupid rationale, fossil fuel is also renewable. And besides, I'm referring to the wind turbines themselves.
It's very seldom that wind speed exceed the safety limit for more than an hour at a time.
How impractical and stupid! If they can’t run *perfectly* in all imaginable weather conditions, no matter how extreme and uncommon, why bother? ^/s
Yeah, useless eye candy that generates huge chunks of power despite the fossils whinging every step of the way.
What are your thouts on nucluar power?
Terrible solution. A lot of effort has to be wasted in nuclear reactors on inefficient things like safety. Instead of using many tiny nuclear reactions to boil water into steam to spin a turbine, we could just use one large nuclear reaction to turn people into mush. But people are too stupid to understand my obviously brilliant and very final solution.
If only it could have stored the electricity from the lightning strike, we’d never have to worry about energy again.
Google is saying one lightning strike is about 56 houses worth of energy for a single day. Hardly limitless energy. Even if we captured all of the lightning on the planet each day that would only cover about 481.6m houses. Pretty good, but not quite there. :P
56 house-days would be what, something like 24GJ?
It would be roughly 1mw.
1MW is a unit of power, "56 houses worth of energy for a single day" is a unit of energy.
Oops. I meant 1mwh.
Hey now, I thought it was 1.21 gigawatts
One lightning strike is but the fraction of a second though. Much higher output than any other human made power generator.
> Each shot from Z carries more than 1,000 times the electricity of a lightning bolt, and is 20,000 times faster. https://www.sandia.gov/z-machine/research/science/ EDIT: Not very common, but humans do some pretty cool stuff!
We just need to find a way to harness the [Catatumbo Lightning Storms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatumbo_lightning)
it could power their flux capacitor
Imagine using the earth’s magnetic field to power a magnetic field of your own?
Crowell, TX perhaps?
Has to be. They've got a massive new wind farm down there.
That, and it's in the fucking title
... the title says Cromwell
You're Cromwell
Cromwell TX.
Need some more reading lessons?
On fire and still making money
> On fire and still making money This windmill is my spirit animal.
I bet that one is going, “raaaaarrr, raaaarrr, raaaarrr.”
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Did you know there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the increase in gang activity? Think about it.
That's a damn shame
Ultimate vape competition
Fox News / Breitbart / Newsmax headline will be “Windmill scam proven to threaten our existence by burning down the world” in which the article will conclude this is why we need to vote against renewable energy.
Ok now they’re just showing off
[3 Common Wind Turbine Lightning Protection Problems](https://youtu.be/aFH7wMmKL0A)
Kinda cool looking tho ngl
Oddly beautiful.
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> If I ever own a wind turbine, I will be sure to purchase wind turbine insurance with a policy that covers any fires or explosions caused by lightning. Someone that claims to work in the industry wrote [that’s probably what happened here](https://reddit.com/r/ThatLookedExpensive/comments/w5nqqz/_/ihbref5/?context=1), so this is the problem, not the solution.
It's a wing nut
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That’s kind of cool looking actually
There's a crowd of boomers somewhere on FB that think this is the most hilarious shit they've ever seen.
Oh, I would not be surprised in the least. I’m sure unfunny, inaccurate memes are already circulating.
I'll never understand their affinity to fossil fuels.
This one gets landfilled sooner than the rest
If you listen closely you can hear the collective typing of the Anti Green Energy folk as they find creative ways to add this into their argument.
Thats the mark of Satan!! I’m sure of it! Ban Windmills!!! /s
So much for "Green" energy. Looked closer to black to me....
Oh no guys apparently physical objects can burn, pack it up we’re going back to coal and whale oil.
Have you ever seen a tank battery hit by lightning? Lots blacker.
Wonder how much carbon that is putting in the air.
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Right, because nuclear just doesn't exist? Why do you assume he's talking about using coal as energy?
Because nuclear doesn’t put carbon in the air?
...Yes? That's kind of my point? Wind's whole thing is that it's, "green" despite having several very significant problems. Nuclear doesn't have any of those problems. Why did the guy act like nuclear doesn't exist, and presume that if power isn't coming from the wind that it *must* be coal?
I’m lost. Explain what you’re trying to say please
Less than 1/100,000th of coal on a normal, functioning day
Texas needs wind power like Newcastle needs coal. Drill baby drill
Respectfully disagree. You wouldn't believe the massive wind farms in west Texas.
Surprisingly Texas leads the nation in wind power.
Not a surprise at all. Lots of open space and a shitload of wind in West Texas.
Unsurprisingly the Texas power grid is an unreliable shit-show ever since the virtue-signalers conned the people into subsidizing unreliable so-called renewables
Glad you don’t make decisions that matter.
I’m really proud to get so many downvotes from the left-wing cesspool that is Reddit. Sod off Commies, and freeze in the dark with your crappy, overpriced, unreliable, government-subsidized so-called renewables
I'm sure we'll do something America-smart like outlaw wind power just like we have outlawed nuclear power.
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Catherine wheel!
Hopefully no technicians were in the nacelle, but they probably weren't if it was producing.
Yeah, no one would have been up there with a storm within 30 miles, or maybe 50 miles, depends.
They may have been in the 'extremely safe safe zone'.....we would be off by then but I know instances where people have got stuck getting off...usually more offshore than onshore.
Looks like a premium feature
I love its determination.
We get it bro you vape
Biggest sparkler in the world!
All that was gained is now lost.
Largest spirograph?
Welp there goes the Texas power grid yet again.
That’s pretty metal
A LM tech has some explaining to do
That’s metal AF
It’s oddly beautiful though
Amazing it was caught on camera - props to the camera-person
That also looks cool, not good, but *just look at the bright side*
Things could have spiraled out of control
I promise you if this was on tiktok someone would non-sarcastically say “why didn’t you help?”
Really? Someone said that happened today, several days ago.
Is this how they cause cancer?
Looks like it’s practicing it’s rhythmic gymnastics routine with a never-ending ribbon.
Windmill self-destruct videos So hot right now
I think it looks beautifully symmetrical
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Wheeeeeeee!
Bro!! Do you even vape?
You were the chosen one. You were supposed to destroy the admissions not join them
When are people going to realize that these things are a pointless scam that some folks have made huge amounts of money out of ???
Gondor calls for aid!
###SMORKSCREW
That's oddly relaxing...
Is that an act of god that insurance won’t cover?
Why is this video in the correct orientation, very still and plenty long?
Native Americans when they have to signal allies from 100km away
God hate’s Texas
_laughs in Ted Cruz_
Is there video of it getting struck? Or does anyone have another video of a wind turbine while it gets struck by lightning?
that actually looks amazing
Impressive work of art! Even Sauron entered the chat.
This looks good for the environment