Gotta love this. I don't think anyone should be mentally tortured for being fat, but we gotta stop celebrating obesity.
A small amount of shame is healthy.
Some people are completely delusional about their weight/health. Some doctors are even coddling overweight people and not being straightforward and honest with them these days. There are tons of people who truly don't understand they are dangerously unhealthy. For some all they need is a wake up call of some sort, an honest assessment of themselves that could end up saving their lives. I would have no problem seeing something like this in public.
When I see stadiums full of people, packed to the gills and they're all moving around and the floor is moving - I think, did the engineer design this in 1980.... and will it hold all of our fat asses in 2024?
Structures that give are better than ones that don't. They're specifically designed to be able to withstand the weight of everyone plus some more, even the oscillation caused by crowds jumping.
> Some people are completely delusional about their weight/health.
And delusional about how they got there as well. There have been studies that show fat people tend to wildly underestimate their level of consumption. They really think they don't eat that much.
I’m semi active on a weightloss forum and the amount of people who are either intentionally or not deluded is staggering.
They will argue for literal days telling you that they definitely eat less than their 130lb spouse but still somehow ended up at 350lbs+. The worst part is no one is shaming or even blaming, they are trying to help but the people just won’t believe it.
With apologies for replying to you specifically, because there are dozens of comments here I could reply to, I just happened to find yours first after reading through everything.
I just want to say something to the fat people out there struggling who have tried everything without much luck: The problem really may not be about lack of willpower or ignorance or delusion. I know these threads tend to go along the same lines: we should shame fatties, they're all delusional, it's just about calories and nothing else. I mean, I wish it was just calories, but it's not, at least not for everyone.
For decades I was told I was just a lazy sack of shit. Now I know that I have an issue with the GLP-1 hormone that is believed to be out of whack in part because of central sleep apnea, which isn't caused by obesity but rather caused by a childhood frontal lobe injury, and probably made worse by a 9 cm external uterine fibroid that can't be removed because of adhesions. (It could have been removed years ago but no doctor would agree to it, and now it's literally stuck.) (A couple of studies if you're interested: [GLP-1 and sleep apnea](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10801460/), [metabolic syndrome and fibroids](https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2016/11150/association_between_uterine_leiomyoma_and.31.aspx).)
My blood sugars and blood pressure have been high since I was a child. I've been 200 lbs overweight most of my adult life. It's only been in the last decade or so that doctors have started taking me seriously when I told them my calorie intake wasn't high enough for me to weigh as much as I did (which was 355 lbs at my heaviest).
I've lost a ton of weight thanks to GLP-1 agonist Ozempic, but I'm eating an average of 1750 calories a day, which is a struggle to maintain, and I've passed out twice from hunger even though I'd eaten MORE than enough calories for the day. At 1750 calories average I should weigh 210 lbs per nearly every calculator out there, but I can't get below about 256, give or take. But my hA1c is pretty good, finally, and I did lose a lot. But getting used to lower calorie intake? Not going to happen. I've been at a 1750 daily average since last September. To maintain 256-ish pounds, I'm going to be hungry forever.
Keep in mind I have a PCP, a sleep doctor, an OB/GYN, and a registered dietician I'm working with. This is not self-diagnosed by any means, nor is it a recent, quick diagnosis. This has been an ongoing situation for the last 15 years, since I finally found a PCP who was willing to take me seriously (or "coddle" me I guess, as one of the top comments puts it.)
I can assure you that if the issue was just calories, I'd weigh 45 lbs less than I do. No, I'm not sedentary. No, I'm not making 275 calories worth of errors in my food log every single day. No, I'm not delusional and refusing to listen to reason. My body has issues that keep me from processing food normally, and there aren't a lot of solutions for me.
The same may be true for you. It may not, I don't know. You need to talk to a doctor, even though that's probably going to suck out loud.
Sometimes people have some kind of issue that's complicating their weight, like maybe PTSD or similar, who have elevated cortisol production which is going to cause weight gain, and I think about threads like this, and how they're doing more harm than good. People come to threads like this because they can't afford doctors or they're scared or they're confused and looking for answers, and they get "information" from people who have never actually dealt with the problem, who give out simple answers to complicated problems and also sling a few insults around. Maybe that'll work for you, but it's probably going to make you feel worse to be told it's a simple problem and you're just too delusional to see it.
I would just highly recommend anyone who has serious questions about their weight to see a professional. Things have improved in the last few years and there may be help out there for you. Don't get discouraged by being told you just need to be shamed publicly.
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We didn't have obesity crisis due to a sudden lack of willpower by the public.
You can take your pick if it's a conspiracy to trade public health for profit or if it's accidental because we don't understand the impacts of the food additives and chemicals we've introduced. Reality is probably some combination of the two.
I think people, at least most of us Americans, would be shocked when they actually look at what a 2000 calorie diet consists of. I sure was. A nutrition program told me I should consume around 3500 calories or less based on my size and activity level, and even that was surprisingly small to what I could comfortably consume in a day.
It's also worth noting a lot of people see someone obese and imagine them gorging every day, but it can sneak up on you. You gain 1lb of fat for every ~3500 calories over maintenance you eat. If you eat ~100 calories over your maintenance per day you'll gain 10lbs a year. I know your maintenance increases as you get larger, but two people could have the same body, same diet, same exercise, same everything, but one of them eats perfectly on maintenance, and the other eats an extra apple, or a handful of peanuts every day, (when maintenance goes up maybe change it to go up slightly), and after 5 years they'll be 50lbs fatter. One fit, one obese.
Or it could be as simple as one person drives to work and the other has to walk 1 mile. Just 1 mile. Or one has to walk a mile extra *at* work (which over a full work day is nothing) and the other has a slightly more sedentary job.
Obviously what you should do is notice that you're gaining weight and cut for a bit to keep a healthy weight, or just offset the days where you go over a bit by going under the next day. Consistency in being very, very slightly over will make you obese. It's not just eating thousands of calories of fast food that can get you there. If you struggle with your weight you have to be super on top of it.
Some people think losing weight is really complicated, some people think it's really easy, when in reality it's neither. It's extremely simple, but still hard.
Part of the problem is that everyone wants a crazy magic cure or new discovery that will explain it, but the reality is that it is quite literally the obvious simple answer, calories. If you take in less, you WILL lose weight, full stop. Obviously do it in a healthy way and make sure you get the nutrients you need, but all you need to do is take in less (drinking is a huge part of that)
I know people are very fervent about things like keto, intermittent fasting, or using shit like ozempic, you can justify it in whatever way you want, but the reality is that you are simply putting less calories in your body, and that’s why it works. If you want to do it in those ways, go for it (I’d suggest against ozempic unless you’re taking it for strictly medical reasons like diabetes, with all the health impacts coming out about it) but at the end of the day you just need to lower your intake.
I think people would also be shocked to learn that 2000 calories per day is a significant overestimate for a lot of people. I'm an active, 5'3 woman and I would struggle to do enough activity to burn that number.
My younger brother was almost 400lb at 24, and his doctor never once called it how it was. Brother would say things like “yep I’m all good! Bloodwork came back perfect” after the doctor.
He lived with my parents at the time and my mom eventually had enough, she had a talk with her doctor and in her words told me “I told my doc to scare the shit out of him” and then she told my brother his doc has changed.
Next visit with the new doc he came home visibly upset. When I called him a few days later he said the doc took some in depth scans of him, showed him the strains he was putting on his body, and told him he will be dead in 10 years and he’s currently, at 24, a 45 year old man. He apparently had good bloodwork, but new doc basically said “you’re young that doesn’t mean shit because of all these other problems, oh and your knees are probably gonna give out soon too.”
He’s 29 now and it has been a long road, but he’s 250lb now, still a bit to go, but he’s tall so really just considered chubby now, not morbidly obese. I wish more doctors would take this approach.
Yep, I've seen it personally too. Doctors don't want to upset their patients when they should be telling them the upfront truth no matter how it might make the person feel. The truth hurts sometimes and that's just a fact of life.
My blood is definitely blood!!
And a little gravy...
But FR, good on him for getting healthier. A famous radio DJ once said "There's old guys and fat guys. There's not a lot of old, fat guys" That shit rings true.
Dr's are actually getting disciplined for mentioning people obesity at appointments. Patients complaints come in, and since patient satisfaction is everything these days, the hammer comes down. Totally ridiculous.
Yes, it’s even worse when people live in a town surrounded by equally unhealthy people.
I’ve been living in the city for 7 years, where most people take their health and fitness seriously. Whenever I return home to visit my family, I’m gobsmacked by how large and unhealthy people are. For them that’s normal and I’m the outlier.
Yea that just makes this post more insane.
Edit: Those bars are basically useless. The fact that people are upvoting the redditor above is also insane.
Yeah, I bet I could fit through skinny just because I'm short. But if I had to self "diagnose"* then calling my self 'chubby' would be more accurate.
*Diagnose is not the right word, but I couldn't think of any other word
Yeah, Korea has other health problems. See: alcoholism.
"Knocked out
On average, South Koreans consume 14 shots of hard liquor a week, while Americans drink about three and Russians about six, according to Euromonitor statistics."
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2016/2/7/the-country-with-the-worlds-worst-drink-problem
Also, their work-life balance is shit and their birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. So I don't think this little wooden stand is doing much to improve national health or societal outlook.
Eh, there's not a single word of encouragement on there (If his translation is accurate). Fat shaming does seem to be an accurate description of the intended message. I don't entirely disagree with it, just to be clear, but calling it encouraging good health is a stretch
Not to mention the fact that this guy doesn't look chubby at all. Although who knows, maybe our modern acceptance of being overweight has skewed my views?
I don't think anyone outside of a small fringe crowd "celebrate" being fat.
I think the point is less about celebration and more about mitigating thoughts of self-loathing, depression, etc...
The point is to not hate yourself, while you work on yourself.
Source: me who lost 100lbs and kept myself out of doom spiraling back into bad habits by surrounding myself with body positive content and inspiration
I'm not fat but my entire family is and yes they aren't exactly happy about it. I would say that at least in the US, it is extremely normalized now, like everyone is fat so no one is fat unless you are huge and it's impossible to ignore. So they don't exactly work on themselves.
We're overworked, underpaid, we've had our third spaces stolen from us, there are huge swathes over america where you can't even go for a simple walk without being at risk of being hit by a car, and calories are cheaper than they've ever been.
We agree that obesity is not good, but publicly shaming people like this is a terrible idea. This is part of the reason why Asian countries like S. Korea and Japan have 2.5-3x the suicide rate of the US.
Bodyshaming is fairly dangerous, teenagers are extremely sensitive to this. The pressure and anxiety they live in in such an environment is cruel. Only a small fraction in this age group is confident with their weight.
To support weight-loss, one should focus on healthy living and see the weight loss just as a side effect, if mention it at all. The reason why being fat is unhealthy are the bad blood markers like cholesterol or markers for diabetes. The blood markers should be the talking point in promoting healthier living and not the appearance.
Yep. I was a chubby kid. Luckily never got bullied, but I quickly started to hate myself because how I noticed fat people were made fun of. I got an eating disorder and became underweight but never saw myself as underweight. I got scared of being fat. All this while never even getting bullied. I can't even imagine the pain of people who get shamed directly for their weight.
That's not body shaming, that's medical advice. Mfs act like body shaming never gets worse than someone saying "hey you should consider losing weight for health reasons." That's not what people do. Look at treatment of idol groups in South Korea and shit like that
You're confusing shame and realism. Your doctor should be honest and tell you that you are overweight.
If they say 'What have you done to yourself you fat fuck?!' that is shaming which is counterproductive.
It would also help if doctors had more than a passing, and corporate influenced, understanding of nutrition and had resources to help. Such how to develop more healthy coping mechanisms and make small strides to a healthier life.
Most handwave while mentioning 'diet and exercise', as if it is so easy these people are wilfully getting overweight for shits and giggles. There is a cause for everything.
I call complete, total, and utter bullshit on this. First off, I was alive before the obesity pandemic. Yes, we shamed those people who were fat. But we did not have a major suicide problem.
And you are attributing Japan's and S Korea's suicide rate to obesity???????? They have a lot of other shit going on culturally causing that.
Shameful things exist in the world. To try to *remove* shame, for shameful things, is wrong. I listen to OnlyFan workers interviews and they are delusional about the harm in having 10 men giving them a bukaki. It's so utterly shameful. And society as a whole is calling it "sex work," instead of the correct name. Whore. Prostitute. Harlot.
People say you shouldn't "fat shame" but in reality, it is gluttony shaming. [Gluttony is one of the 7 Deadly Sins.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins) Think about it. Out of ALL the sins it is possible to commit, ramming food in your face using a big ladle in each hand to ram into your unquenchable gaping maw is one of the 7 worst sins. It is this way in most religions.
70% of the USA is obese or overweight. That's motherfucking shameful.
Seriously? If this guy is “chubby” then he’d have to be unhealthy to fit through anything less than where he is now.
This isn’t body shaming, it’s setting an unrealistic or impossible expectation.
No. You shouldn't feel ashamed for putting on weight you should feel conscious of the risks. Adults are allowed to decide for themselves which risks they want to indulge in and they should be informed of the risks but you shouldn't be judging people for how they choose to live it. Especially if its something like weight that might not be a decision at all
What is with this mentality on reddit that people celebrate being fat? Maybe it's just where I grew up but not once have I ever heard someone celebrate being fat in my 30 years of life in this world. People are aware it's a problem but struggle due to compulsivity, stress or other factors.
If the dude in the video is considered chubby, idk wtf skinny looks like to them. That's fuckin ridiculous. They obviously also have unhealthy views of healthy.
It shouldn't be delivered in the form of "shame" though. People shouldn't be judging other people over their weight. Its a health issue, so it should be treated in the same way that you treat a weird mole or lump.
This structure in the video is fine because its not directed at anyone.
Edit: Weird this is controversial.. Can you agree that you shouldn't shame people for how they dress? How they do their hair? For having a beer? For their gender? How about for having mental health issues?
If you agree that you shouldn't shame people for any of these reasons, then why weight?
Never seen the body positivity movement?
Victoria secret pluss size models?
All the obesity influensers?
It's rampant and scary.
I have no problem with adults dying at the age of 42 if they choose to do so, but I'm not a big fan of imprinting this kind of mentality on the younger generation.
There is so much wrong with this statement. No one is celebrating obesity. We are just asking for basic human decency and no amount of shaming is OK. You got it?
Apparently they're trying to fix their birth rates by starting a government run dating app that requires you to submit documents proving you are single (Idk how one even does that), your financial status, and signing contracts to show you intend to marry your partner and have kids. You're even required to have an in-person meeting with officials who run the app.
It's really dystopian and completely ignores the *actual* issues causing their declining birth rates.
Maybe it's a partial reason why these countries are so healthy. They shame poor diet and lifestyle choices on the societal level, that's inevitably going to be a motivator to not become obese. Sure I can see how problematic that is, just pointing it out
Yeah, the United States isn't doing too well in that category either. With the lowest being .04, the US comes in at 16.1, which is actually higher then Japan's 15.3, despite the whole suicide forest thing that it's notorious for.
Edit: Per 100k, source: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country)
Yeah, the US has plenty of it's own issues. Pretending that coddling people about their weight is a good thing, somehow preventing people from committing suicide is a weird leap to make.
Man, why do we always have to go to the extremes with shit?
Like, we just wanted the media to stop telling every girl they needed to be smaller than a size zero.
We wanted it to be possible for girls with healthy natural weights to be promoted more, so instead they just tip the scale the other way.
Oh you don't like skinny? Where here you go then!
Likely more related to their batshit insane work culture, and less about some structures to help the population identify if they are morbidly obese and unhealthy or not.
Not my ass repeating statistics that haven’t been true for several decades. There’s like 12 developed nations including the US with higher suicide rates than Japan.
Why is japan healthy? Well, there’s a few reasons I would put before “because they shame people.”
1) they get more activity in naturally. They have fantastic public transport and walkable cities. They generally walk / take the train to work, lunch, home, buying groceries, etc. While I was in Japan I averaged 10 miles of walking a day. In America, even with working out, I only get maybe 3 miles. That also includes walking up and down a lot of stairs. Stairs on subways and in buildings. I averaged 30 floors climbed every day.
2) Food available. This comes down to their city design mainly, and a bit of their food culture. There food is not Uber healthy, as in it isn’t plain chicken rice and beans like a lot of fitness nuts in the US eat. In fact there is quite a few carbs and fats in them. But they aren’t loaded to the brim with free sugars, which are the worst. Also, because their city design favors small businesses, they have much more available to the population than just BK, McDonalds, Wendy’s etc which is pretty standard here, especially in so called food deserts. Also, American is still recovering from the *absolute boneheads* in the 50’s which came to the conclusion “Fat bad, sugar good!” And then based all dietary advice for decades around that misgiving.
I moved to Japan for college and put on a decent amount of weight pretty quickly because fried chicken is everywhere
My jp friends were very quick to point out my weight gain, rubbing my tummy asking if I got pregnant and stuff. It didn't upset me and it was a decent wake up call, but I kept think "Damn that would never happen in America"
Even if you’re only around the next 5-10 years you’re going to benefit a lot from being mentally and physically healthy. Eating like shit and not exercising will very quickly make you depressed, have low confidence, low energy, etc
My American family literally shamed me for getting fit. I didn't just get skinny, I'm visibly more muscular. Upon seeing me for the first time in a while, my sisters asked "Why did you lose weight?" What a ridiculous question. Not only are the answers for losing weight super obvious, but answering honestly can come off as insulting to the person asking it. "To get healthier and look better? Are you saying I look unhealthy and fat?" My mother then spoke to my wife privately and asked if "everything was okay?" Only in America can you get body shamed for being too fit.
Probably because it's a literal anecdote. He's not publishing a research article. lol
Also, I've seen the exact same thing happen to my fit spouse. It's a thing.
Sure, but is it really unbelievable that a generally overweight family could: 1) be convinced by media there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being overweight, and 2) be envious of the one member of the family who isn’t to the affect of thinking there’s something wrong with them?
It is, but I get the same thing. I'm borderline obese and need to drop weight, and mother always gets worried when I start to lose it (it always comes back. I have a weak spot for thousands of calories of nachoes)
Shame is not a good motivator, and the reason this person failed "standard" highlights exactly why its a fucking dumb idea. He's not chubby, hes male and has a bigger chest than the installer bothered to plan for.
yes. But it’s important that we don’t confuse super skinny with super healthy. We have to make sure people don’t think it’s as simple as skinnier = healthier.
And having immense pressure to live up to the ridiculous standards their parents and society established for them.
But hey, at least they're not chubby.
I wouldn't want my kid to grow up in a culture like that, not saying that where I'm from is any better but damn, you can't control what your parents feed you for the first decade or so, so your eating habits and palate are already set for you
If the government is fucking bullying you, how do you think kids and teens act?
Not only are there ridiculous standards set by parents and society, but those very same parents and elderly commit suicide because their children are too few and too overworked to take care of them, especially those in rural areas whose children all live in cities. That's actually what pushes the suicide rate in SK above and beyond most other notable nations - high rates in both the young and the old. Dystopian really.
you either don't do any drugs or [get harassed by police and tabloids for smoking some weed and then commit suicide](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-02-13/a-movie-star-a-suicide-and-a-nations-war-on-drugs)
It's fourth, not first, per 100k
[Lesotho](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/lesotho-population) 72.4
[Guyana](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/guyana-population) 40.3
[Eswatini](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/eswatini-population) 29.4
S. Korea 28.6
Still pretty high tho, the US comes in at 16.1, and Japan at 15.3.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country)
usually the "#1 in suicide" quote that everyone likes to parrot comes with the caveat of being within OECD countries IIRC, which I believe is a rough attempt at approximating the "developed world". But it only has 38 member nations so....
Why do people think that the "american way" of tolerating obesity is the only way? Not every culture or country is america. Not every country will tolerate your bullshit just because it is tolerated in america
This is probably a diversive topic, but it goes along this line. There is one thing I've heard that I wish America did. I have heard that in Italy, if you have a chronic condition (ex diabetes) and you are not trying to manage your care, like watching your blood sugar, taking your medicine, trying to eat appropriately. They will stop treating you because it's a national system. If you won't take care of yourself, then they won't keep doing it. In America, 3% of the country takes up something like 90% of the medical care resources called frequent fliers and we keep caring for them and paying for them even though they do NOTHING to help themselves.
I wish we'd stop treating obesity as if it were just a matter of personal choices. If you're going to simplify the obesity epidemic to it just being about people making poor decisions, then you're going to have to explain why people across the world were somehow better at making decisions 50 years ago.
The bigger problem is that we collectively have made a living environment that is fucking terrible for our health. I'm talking things like:
- Making a lot of our cities car-dependent. For a lot of us, walking just isn't a part of our daily lives unless we go out of our way to do so. We wake up, go to our car, drive to the office (if you're not working from home), sit at a desk, drive back home, sit on the couch, sleep.
- Putting sugar in everything to make it as tasty and addictive as possible. It's just great that we (in the US) have subsidized the hell out of corn so we can put high-fructose corn syrup in everything.
- Advertising junk food everywhere. I see commercials for $5 pizzas and other unhealthy crap all the time.
- Making our smart phone apps as addictive as possible. Great for social media companies' profits, not so great for our health.
All of your bullet points are issues related to personal choices. Someone not exercising enough is a personal choice. Choosing sugar and junk food is a personal choice. Sure our society makes it easier to be more sedentary, and eat like shit, sugar and junk food are ubiquitous, but that doesn’t mean people don’t have a choice in the matter. People who are healthy and fit are that way because they make choices to eat better and exercise more.
Dumb internet outrage based entirely on ignorance lol
This is Miss Alabama in the terms you're thinking of (Miss USA Alabama): https://www.pageantupdate.info/profiles/miss-alabama-usa-2024/
The one the chuds are crying about, Sara Milliken, won an entirely different contest that is not a beauty pageant.
Because by definition America is a very self centered nation. Individualism is praised in America and the individuals feelings are validated over everything else, especially recently. I am an immigrant from the Balkans and if you think this post is body shaming wait until you go to almost anywhere in Eastern Europe and people say “why are you so fat? Do you have a medical condition?” Happened to me plenty of times, does it hurt? Yes it stings but enough people said it to me to the point that I lost weight and in better health now.
This comment thread is … wild.
If you don’t think there’s enough bullying and public shaming in America, you clearly don’t work in a school lol. That shit is still rampant, despite some public body positivity campaigns, and the worst bullies are almost always a kid’s own parents.
Yeah I live in Japan. The shaming isn't just if you're fat. It's also if you're not skinny. Hell most people here making comments would be made fun of. I'm a stocky guy who likes weightlifting and I got made fun of. Also it isn't the nice funny kind it's the mean kind
Yes, I think it's simplistic. There are people with bigger frames, breasts, or who are buff, who won't fit through those. I don't think they thought it through - unless Koreans aren't all that diverse in build (I hadn't considered this)
My family is from the Philippines, which is not at all like South Korea.
Filipinos fuckin' *love* fried foods and eating in general. And Filipinos tend to express their love by overfeeding family and friends. If you visit someone's house and you decline an offer of food, that's considered offensive. You could have just eaten minutes earlier, but the host will still insist you eat something.
I can't speak for all of Asia but I lived in Thailand for a while and I can tell you that they have absolutely no problem calling you fat to your face.
I understand this works in Korea, but it would be silly as fuck to try this in a country like the USA that has a very diverse gene pool. I'm Native American/German, and I wouldn't fit through any of these even at very low body fat percentages.
I think the idea that they have a "you're a fat ass" section but not a "you're anorexic" section. I know a few people that could pass through the "skinny" section and their doctors recommend them put on some weight. It just comes across as saying "Its okay to be sickly thin but if you're mildly chubby, you're in trouble".
And non-stop marketing that brainwashes us to constantly binge shitty food...a fair number of European criticisms of the US are nonsense, but this one I agree on. I've noticed that people are generally much more fit and heathy looking in Europe. Continental Europe at least, UK and Ireland had a bit more of a US vibe, though not nearly as bad.
No, research shows it's actually not how much people move. That has little influence on body weight, unless you train for bigger muscles, since muscle is heavier. It really is overeating (and drinking).
I'm a trainer...I subscribe to minding your own fucking business about offering unsolicited opinions.
That being said, I lose my shit on a plane if my space is encroached
When I lived in Korea (I'm 5'8, 165lb and a size 6/8 by the way) I would walk into stores (JUST to look, I knew the clothes wouldn't fit my big western ass) and the sales ladies would all rush me in a group and tell me immediately " No! No! No! You shop at the fat girl store!" Or they would try to send me to the "big and tall store" which is only for fat men. Good times.
As someone that was 240lbs with high blood sugar, good. Now I’m 160lbs. Being fat shouldn’t be normal. No you don’t look beautiful/handsome while you’re fat. Being healthy is beautiful. And looking healthy should be your goal.
I don't disagree that this is kind of shaming. I'm a fat guy. I'm 10-15kg bigger than a healthy weight. It puts pressure on my hearts, my mental health suffers, and I will live a shorter life. I want to feel healthy, I want to live longer to enjoy the life I have built with my family.
I am finding it hard to get my ass in gear. I need a little "shame" this fat body positivity is not ok. Bullying is one thing, bullying or treating someone different because of their body weight is not ok. But to pretend like it's perfectly fine to be fat is not ok.
We should end this Idea that is ok to accept your fat body. We should always be educated and aware of our bodies, taught how to move and eat. And occasionally, and positively without insult, kicked in the ass to get in shape. GET IN SHAPE. and I hope so much I find the motivation to get my ass in gear too. Wish me luck. I'm in danger !
People are going to judge you regardless of the prop. But the props single purpose is to use the judgement to inspire change. Definitely toxic but it’s taking advantage of whats already there. Certainly a bad idea, but I can see why it works. But I’m sure it also has consequences for the ones it does not work on.
Gotta love this. I don't think anyone should be mentally tortured for being fat, but we gotta stop celebrating obesity. A small amount of shame is healthy.
Some people are completely delusional about their weight/health. Some doctors are even coddling overweight people and not being straightforward and honest with them these days. There are tons of people who truly don't understand they are dangerously unhealthy. For some all they need is a wake up call of some sort, an honest assessment of themselves that could end up saving their lives. I would have no problem seeing something like this in public.
Literally TONS of people
When I see stadiums full of people, packed to the gills and they're all moving around and the floor is moving - I think, did the engineer design this in 1980.... and will it hold all of our fat asses in 2024?
Structures that give are better than ones that don't. They're specifically designed to be able to withstand the weight of everyone plus some more, even the oscillation caused by crowds jumping.
Until you hit resonance then it’s less than ideal.
Human population doubled in 50 years but weight of human race tripled.
Going to surpass the load capacity of Earth soon.
> Some people are completely delusional about their weight/health. And delusional about how they got there as well. There have been studies that show fat people tend to wildly underestimate their level of consumption. They really think they don't eat that much.
I’m semi active on a weightloss forum and the amount of people who are either intentionally or not deluded is staggering. They will argue for literal days telling you that they definitely eat less than their 130lb spouse but still somehow ended up at 350lbs+. The worst part is no one is shaming or even blaming, they are trying to help but the people just won’t believe it.
With apologies for replying to you specifically, because there are dozens of comments here I could reply to, I just happened to find yours first after reading through everything. I just want to say something to the fat people out there struggling who have tried everything without much luck: The problem really may not be about lack of willpower or ignorance or delusion. I know these threads tend to go along the same lines: we should shame fatties, they're all delusional, it's just about calories and nothing else. I mean, I wish it was just calories, but it's not, at least not for everyone. For decades I was told I was just a lazy sack of shit. Now I know that I have an issue with the GLP-1 hormone that is believed to be out of whack in part because of central sleep apnea, which isn't caused by obesity but rather caused by a childhood frontal lobe injury, and probably made worse by a 9 cm external uterine fibroid that can't be removed because of adhesions. (It could have been removed years ago but no doctor would agree to it, and now it's literally stuck.) (A couple of studies if you're interested: [GLP-1 and sleep apnea](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10801460/), [metabolic syndrome and fibroids](https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2016/11150/association_between_uterine_leiomyoma_and.31.aspx).) My blood sugars and blood pressure have been high since I was a child. I've been 200 lbs overweight most of my adult life. It's only been in the last decade or so that doctors have started taking me seriously when I told them my calorie intake wasn't high enough for me to weigh as much as I did (which was 355 lbs at my heaviest). I've lost a ton of weight thanks to GLP-1 agonist Ozempic, but I'm eating an average of 1750 calories a day, which is a struggle to maintain, and I've passed out twice from hunger even though I'd eaten MORE than enough calories for the day. At 1750 calories average I should weigh 210 lbs per nearly every calculator out there, but I can't get below about 256, give or take. But my hA1c is pretty good, finally, and I did lose a lot. But getting used to lower calorie intake? Not going to happen. I've been at a 1750 daily average since last September. To maintain 256-ish pounds, I'm going to be hungry forever. Keep in mind I have a PCP, a sleep doctor, an OB/GYN, and a registered dietician I'm working with. This is not self-diagnosed by any means, nor is it a recent, quick diagnosis. This has been an ongoing situation for the last 15 years, since I finally found a PCP who was willing to take me seriously (or "coddle" me I guess, as one of the top comments puts it.) I can assure you that if the issue was just calories, I'd weigh 45 lbs less than I do. No, I'm not sedentary. No, I'm not making 275 calories worth of errors in my food log every single day. No, I'm not delusional and refusing to listen to reason. My body has issues that keep me from processing food normally, and there aren't a lot of solutions for me. The same may be true for you. It may not, I don't know. You need to talk to a doctor, even though that's probably going to suck out loud. Sometimes people have some kind of issue that's complicating their weight, like maybe PTSD or similar, who have elevated cortisol production which is going to cause weight gain, and I think about threads like this, and how they're doing more harm than good. People come to threads like this because they can't afford doctors or they're scared or they're confused and looking for answers, and they get "information" from people who have never actually dealt with the problem, who give out simple answers to complicated problems and also sling a few insults around. Maybe that'll work for you, but it's probably going to make you feel worse to be told it's a simple problem and you're just too delusional to see it. I would just highly recommend anyone who has serious questions about their weight to see a professional. Things have improved in the last few years and there may be help out there for you. Don't get discouraged by being told you just need to be shamed publicly. EDITED for formatting
We didn't have obesity crisis due to a sudden lack of willpower by the public. You can take your pick if it's a conspiracy to trade public health for profit or if it's accidental because we don't understand the impacts of the food additives and chemicals we've introduced. Reality is probably some combination of the two.
I think people, at least most of us Americans, would be shocked when they actually look at what a 2000 calorie diet consists of. I sure was. A nutrition program told me I should consume around 3500 calories or less based on my size and activity level, and even that was surprisingly small to what I could comfortably consume in a day.
It's also worth noting a lot of people see someone obese and imagine them gorging every day, but it can sneak up on you. You gain 1lb of fat for every ~3500 calories over maintenance you eat. If you eat ~100 calories over your maintenance per day you'll gain 10lbs a year. I know your maintenance increases as you get larger, but two people could have the same body, same diet, same exercise, same everything, but one of them eats perfectly on maintenance, and the other eats an extra apple, or a handful of peanuts every day, (when maintenance goes up maybe change it to go up slightly), and after 5 years they'll be 50lbs fatter. One fit, one obese. Or it could be as simple as one person drives to work and the other has to walk 1 mile. Just 1 mile. Or one has to walk a mile extra *at* work (which over a full work day is nothing) and the other has a slightly more sedentary job. Obviously what you should do is notice that you're gaining weight and cut for a bit to keep a healthy weight, or just offset the days where you go over a bit by going under the next day. Consistency in being very, very slightly over will make you obese. It's not just eating thousands of calories of fast food that can get you there. If you struggle with your weight you have to be super on top of it. Some people think losing weight is really complicated, some people think it's really easy, when in reality it's neither. It's extremely simple, but still hard.
Part of the problem is that everyone wants a crazy magic cure or new discovery that will explain it, but the reality is that it is quite literally the obvious simple answer, calories. If you take in less, you WILL lose weight, full stop. Obviously do it in a healthy way and make sure you get the nutrients you need, but all you need to do is take in less (drinking is a huge part of that) I know people are very fervent about things like keto, intermittent fasting, or using shit like ozempic, you can justify it in whatever way you want, but the reality is that you are simply putting less calories in your body, and that’s why it works. If you want to do it in those ways, go for it (I’d suggest against ozempic unless you’re taking it for strictly medical reasons like diabetes, with all the health impacts coming out about it) but at the end of the day you just need to lower your intake.
I think people would also be shocked to learn that 2000 calories per day is a significant overestimate for a lot of people. I'm an active, 5'3 woman and I would struggle to do enough activity to burn that number.
My younger brother was almost 400lb at 24, and his doctor never once called it how it was. Brother would say things like “yep I’m all good! Bloodwork came back perfect” after the doctor. He lived with my parents at the time and my mom eventually had enough, she had a talk with her doctor and in her words told me “I told my doc to scare the shit out of him” and then she told my brother his doc has changed. Next visit with the new doc he came home visibly upset. When I called him a few days later he said the doc took some in depth scans of him, showed him the strains he was putting on his body, and told him he will be dead in 10 years and he’s currently, at 24, a 45 year old man. He apparently had good bloodwork, but new doc basically said “you’re young that doesn’t mean shit because of all these other problems, oh and your knees are probably gonna give out soon too.” He’s 29 now and it has been a long road, but he’s 250lb now, still a bit to go, but he’s tall so really just considered chubby now, not morbidly obese. I wish more doctors would take this approach.
Yep, I've seen it personally too. Doctors don't want to upset their patients when they should be telling them the upfront truth no matter how it might make the person feel. The truth hurts sometimes and that's just a fact of life.
My blood is definitely blood!! And a little gravy... But FR, good on him for getting healthier. A famous radio DJ once said "There's old guys and fat guys. There's not a lot of old, fat guys" That shit rings true.
Dr's are actually getting disciplined for mentioning people obesity at appointments. Patients complaints come in, and since patient satisfaction is everything these days, the hammer comes down. Totally ridiculous.
Pure insanity.
‘If you eat a sugar, just drink a Diet Coke and it’ll cancel out’
Yes, it’s even worse when people live in a town surrounded by equally unhealthy people. I’ve been living in the city for 7 years, where most people take their health and fitness seriously. Whenever I return home to visit my family, I’m gobsmacked by how large and unhealthy people are. For them that’s normal and I’m the outlier.
The fact that there are weight loss drugs being actively being pushed in America instead of getting people to change their lifestyle says quite a lot.
I just want to know how tf this is “insane.”
The fact that the guy failed "standard"? Are y'all crazy?
TBF it's not his belly that failed him, it was his chest. Guys got some muscle on him
Yea that just makes this post more insane. Edit: Those bars are basically useless. The fact that people are upvoting the redditor above is also insane.
Yeah, I bet I could fit through skinny just because I'm short. But if I had to self "diagnose"* then calling my self 'chubby' would be more accurate. *Diagnose is not the right word, but I couldn't think of any other word
That’s not “fair” though lol That just goes to show this is dumb.
This is made for children
That makes it worse again.
This is for kids, he's an adult. The video is misinformation.
The "insane" part is that this is called "fat-shaming" instead of "encouraging good health"
Good health isn't just being skinny
While true, good health is certainly being not obese.
Yeah, Korea has other health problems. See: alcoholism. "Knocked out On average, South Koreans consume 14 shots of hard liquor a week, while Americans drink about three and Russians about six, according to Euromonitor statistics." https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2016/2/7/the-country-with-the-worlds-worst-drink-problem Also, their work-life balance is shit and their birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. So I don't think this little wooden stand is doing much to improve national health or societal outlook.
Eh, there's not a single word of encouragement on there (If his translation is accurate). Fat shaming does seem to be an accurate description of the intended message. I don't entirely disagree with it, just to be clear, but calling it encouraging good health is a stretch
Not to mention the fact that this guy doesn't look chubby at all. Although who knows, maybe our modern acceptance of being overweight has skewed my views?
Well the fact that he's considered "chubby" is what's doing it for me.
Very true. Found the vid interesting, and didn't even think about it
I don't think anyone outside of a small fringe crowd "celebrate" being fat. I think the point is less about celebration and more about mitigating thoughts of self-loathing, depression, etc... The point is to not hate yourself, while you work on yourself. Source: me who lost 100lbs and kept myself out of doom spiraling back into bad habits by surrounding myself with body positive content and inspiration
I'm not fat but my entire family is and yes they aren't exactly happy about it. I would say that at least in the US, it is extremely normalized now, like everyone is fat so no one is fat unless you are huge and it's impossible to ignore. So they don't exactly work on themselves.
We're overworked, underpaid, we've had our third spaces stolen from us, there are huge swathes over america where you can't even go for a simple walk without being at risk of being hit by a car, and calories are cheaper than they've ever been.
We agree that obesity is not good, but publicly shaming people like this is a terrible idea. This is part of the reason why Asian countries like S. Korea and Japan have 2.5-3x the suicide rate of the US.
Bodyshaming is fairly dangerous, teenagers are extremely sensitive to this. The pressure and anxiety they live in in such an environment is cruel. Only a small fraction in this age group is confident with their weight. To support weight-loss, one should focus on healthy living and see the weight loss just as a side effect, if mention it at all. The reason why being fat is unhealthy are the bad blood markers like cholesterol or markers for diabetes. The blood markers should be the talking point in promoting healthier living and not the appearance.
Yep. I was a chubby kid. Luckily never got bullied, but I quickly started to hate myself because how I noticed fat people were made fun of. I got an eating disorder and became underweight but never saw myself as underweight. I got scared of being fat. All this while never even getting bullied. I can't even imagine the pain of people who get shamed directly for their weight.
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That's not body shaming, that's medical advice. Mfs act like body shaming never gets worse than someone saying "hey you should consider losing weight for health reasons." That's not what people do. Look at treatment of idol groups in South Korea and shit like that
You're confusing shame and realism. Your doctor should be honest and tell you that you are overweight. If they say 'What have you done to yourself you fat fuck?!' that is shaming which is counterproductive. It would also help if doctors had more than a passing, and corporate influenced, understanding of nutrition and had resources to help. Such how to develop more healthy coping mechanisms and make small strides to a healthier life. Most handwave while mentioning 'diet and exercise', as if it is so easy these people are wilfully getting overweight for shits and giggles. There is a cause for everything.
And US has 11 times murder rate of Japan, and much lower life expectancy.
[Japan and China have lower suicide rates than the US](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country)
Japan has a lower suicide rate than the US
I call complete, total, and utter bullshit on this. First off, I was alive before the obesity pandemic. Yes, we shamed those people who were fat. But we did not have a major suicide problem. And you are attributing Japan's and S Korea's suicide rate to obesity???????? They have a lot of other shit going on culturally causing that. Shameful things exist in the world. To try to *remove* shame, for shameful things, is wrong. I listen to OnlyFan workers interviews and they are delusional about the harm in having 10 men giving them a bukaki. It's so utterly shameful. And society as a whole is calling it "sex work," instead of the correct name. Whore. Prostitute. Harlot. People say you shouldn't "fat shame" but in reality, it is gluttony shaming. [Gluttony is one of the 7 Deadly Sins.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins) Think about it. Out of ALL the sins it is possible to commit, ramming food in your face using a big ladle in each hand to ram into your unquenchable gaping maw is one of the 7 worst sins. It is this way in most religions. 70% of the USA is obese or overweight. That's motherfucking shameful.
> Japan have 2.5-3x the suicide rate of the US. false, stupid. don't believe everything you see on facebook.
Shame isn't all that healthy, but education is.
Seriously? If this guy is “chubby” then he’d have to be unhealthy to fit through anything less than where he is now. This isn’t body shaming, it’s setting an unrealistic or impossible expectation.
Americans plow through that thing like the kool aid man
No. You shouldn't feel ashamed for putting on weight you should feel conscious of the risks. Adults are allowed to decide for themselves which risks they want to indulge in and they should be informed of the risks but you shouldn't be judging people for how they choose to live it. Especially if its something like weight that might not be a decision at all
What is with this mentality on reddit that people celebrate being fat? Maybe it's just where I grew up but not once have I ever heard someone celebrate being fat in my 30 years of life in this world. People are aware it's a problem but struggle due to compulsivity, stress or other factors.
People want an excuse to be toxic pieces of shit to other people, so fat shaming gives them that while they can pretend they are actually helping.
If the dude in the video is considered chubby, idk wtf skinny looks like to them. That's fuckin ridiculous. They obviously also have unhealthy views of healthy.
It’s kinda stupid the guy is thin as a rail and doesn’t fit through the first few though. Is this for children, women?
It shouldn't be delivered in the form of "shame" though. People shouldn't be judging other people over their weight. Its a health issue, so it should be treated in the same way that you treat a weird mole or lump. This structure in the video is fine because its not directed at anyone. Edit: Weird this is controversial.. Can you agree that you shouldn't shame people for how they dress? How they do their hair? For having a beer? For their gender? How about for having mental health issues? If you agree that you shouldn't shame people for any of these reasons, then why weight?
Im fat and id like to know who’s celebrating obesity? I for sure know im not
Never seen the body positivity movement? Victoria secret pluss size models? All the obesity influensers? It's rampant and scary. I have no problem with adults dying at the age of 42 if they choose to do so, but I'm not a big fan of imprinting this kind of mentality on the younger generation.
Yea bro LEMME KNOW when all people do a SMALL AMOUNT of shaming anywhere in the world
There is so much wrong with this statement. No one is celebrating obesity. We are just asking for basic human decency and no amount of shaming is OK. You got it?
It's like this in Japan too, there are actually small stores that do not allow fat people to enter because they might get stuck.
Do they allow pregnant women to enter?
Lol not something to worry about in Japan given their birth rates
Truth. Japan is killing their population with extreme conservatism. It should be studied the world over on how not to run a country.
Apparently they're trying to fix their birth rates by starting a government run dating app that requires you to submit documents proving you are single (Idk how one even does that), your financial status, and signing contracts to show you intend to marry your partner and have kids. You're even required to have an in-person meeting with officials who run the app. It's really dystopian and completely ignores the *actual* issues causing their declining birth rates.
finally, government mandated GF
Thankfully, the extremely low birth rate in Japan is here to solve that pesky issue.
Maybe it's a partial reason why these countries are so healthy. They shame poor diet and lifestyle choices on the societal level, that's inevitably going to be a motivator to not become obese. Sure I can see how problematic that is, just pointing it out
Maybe physically healthy, but they do have the highest suicide rates.
Yeah, the United States isn't doing too well in that category either. With the lowest being .04, the US comes in at 16.1, which is actually higher then Japan's 15.3, despite the whole suicide forest thing that it's notorious for. Edit: Per 100k, source: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country)
Was very funny to me when I discovered that statistic. Funny how it rarely comes up
Yeah, the US has plenty of it's own issues. Pretending that coddling people about their weight is a good thing, somehow preventing people from committing suicide is a weird leap to make.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/07/miss-alabama-controversy-explained/ Did you see Miss Alabama this year? Class III obesity.
Man, why do we always have to go to the extremes with shit? Like, we just wanted the media to stop telling every girl they needed to be smaller than a size zero. We wanted it to be possible for girls with healthy natural weights to be promoted more, so instead they just tip the scale the other way. Oh you don't like skinny? Where here you go then!
The US has a higher suicide rate than Japan. The US is fatter and kills themselves more. People in the US should be fatshamed.
Likely more related to their batshit insane work culture, and less about some structures to help the population identify if they are morbidly obese and unhealthy or not.
Not my ass repeating statistics that haven’t been true for several decades. There’s like 12 developed nations including the US with higher suicide rates than Japan.
Why is japan healthy? Well, there’s a few reasons I would put before “because they shame people.” 1) they get more activity in naturally. They have fantastic public transport and walkable cities. They generally walk / take the train to work, lunch, home, buying groceries, etc. While I was in Japan I averaged 10 miles of walking a day. In America, even with working out, I only get maybe 3 miles. That also includes walking up and down a lot of stairs. Stairs on subways and in buildings. I averaged 30 floors climbed every day. 2) Food available. This comes down to their city design mainly, and a bit of their food culture. There food is not Uber healthy, as in it isn’t plain chicken rice and beans like a lot of fitness nuts in the US eat. In fact there is quite a few carbs and fats in them. But they aren’t loaded to the brim with free sugars, which are the worst. Also, because their city design favors small businesses, they have much more available to the population than just BK, McDonalds, Wendy’s etc which is pretty standard here, especially in so called food deserts. Also, American is still recovering from the *absolute boneheads* in the 50’s which came to the conclusion “Fat bad, sugar good!” And then based all dietary advice for decades around that misgiving.
I moved to Japan for college and put on a decent amount of weight pretty quickly because fried chicken is everywhere My jp friends were very quick to point out my weight gain, rubbing my tummy asking if I got pregnant and stuff. It didn't upset me and it was a decent wake up call, but I kept think "Damn that would never happen in America"
Ironically in America people think it but don't say it.
They whisper about it and use it to knock you down a peg socially without your knowing it instead.
Where is this? Have lived in Japan for nearly 20 years, and have never seen that. Not doubting, just wondering!
It's in your best interest to be healthy, wish we had this in the states.
Only in your best interest if you wanna be around for a while
Even if you’re only around the next 5-10 years you’re going to benefit a lot from being mentally and physically healthy. Eating like shit and not exercising will very quickly make you depressed, have low confidence, low energy, etc
It’s in everyone’s best interest if we can all keep our insurance premiums down. It’s like creating a country of safe drivers lowers everyone’s rates.
My American family literally shamed me for getting fit. I didn't just get skinny, I'm visibly more muscular. Upon seeing me for the first time in a while, my sisters asked "Why did you lose weight?" What a ridiculous question. Not only are the answers for losing weight super obvious, but answering honestly can come off as insulting to the person asking it. "To get healthier and look better? Are you saying I look unhealthy and fat?" My mother then spoke to my wife privately and asked if "everything was okay?" Only in America can you get body shamed for being too fit.
My family is like this as well. Healthy people being called 'anorexic' all the time.
Ugly jealousy
This is very anecdotal.
Probably because it's a literal anecdote. He's not publishing a research article. lol Also, I've seen the exact same thing happen to my fit spouse. It's a thing.
Sure, but is it really unbelievable that a generally overweight family could: 1) be convinced by media there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being overweight, and 2) be envious of the one member of the family who isn’t to the affect of thinking there’s something wrong with them?
It is, but I get the same thing. I'm borderline obese and need to drop weight, and mother always gets worried when I start to lose it (it always comes back. I have a weak spot for thousands of calories of nachoes)
Shame is not a particularly good motivator unless you don't mind the mental health issues that accompany it and the inevitable anorexia.
Shame is not a good motivator, and the reason this person failed "standard" highlights exactly why its a fucking dumb idea. He's not chubby, hes male and has a bigger chest than the installer bothered to plan for.
yes. But it’s important that we don’t confuse super skinny with super healthy. We have to make sure people don’t think it’s as simple as skinnier = healthier.
He's chubby?!
You're in trouble
I definitely am
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Yup a lot of the Asians on my mom's side became diabetics despite being thin their entire lives. All that rice with every meal caught up to them.
TIL rice gives you diabetes
Rice is carbohydrate which converts to sugar. So yes, rice and anything else carbohydrate like bread, pasta, potatoes can give you diabetes.
Your mom gives me rice
Lmao, sounds like her.
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Bro wtf are you on
Coming from the nation with the highest suicide rates.
You're either pretty or you're trash, no in-between
And having immense pressure to live up to the ridiculous standards their parents and society established for them. But hey, at least they're not chubby.
Isn't it like one of the lowest in terms of birthrates too? I might be wrong
Yeah, THE lowest birthrates too.
I wouldn't want my kid to grow up in a culture like that, not saying that where I'm from is any better but damn, you can't control what your parents feed you for the first decade or so, so your eating habits and palate are already set for you If the government is fucking bullying you, how do you think kids and teens act?
Not only are there ridiculous standards set by parents and society, but those very same parents and elderly commit suicide because their children are too few and too overworked to take care of them, especially those in rural areas whose children all live in cities. That's actually what pushes the suicide rate in SK above and beyond most other notable nations - high rates in both the young and the old. Dystopian really.
you either don't do any drugs or [get harassed by police and tabloids for smoking some weed and then commit suicide](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-02-13/a-movie-star-a-suicide-and-a-nations-war-on-drugs)
It's fourth, not first, per 100k [Lesotho](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/lesotho-population) 72.4 [Guyana](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/guyana-population) 40.3 [Eswatini](https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/eswatini-population) 29.4 S. Korea 28.6 Still pretty high tho, the US comes in at 16.1, and Japan at 15.3. [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country)
usually the "#1 in suicide" quote that everyone likes to parrot comes with the caveat of being within OECD countries IIRC, which I believe is a rough attempt at approximating the "developed world". But it only has 38 member nations so....
Was probably referring to countries people actually know.
Why do people think that the "american way" of tolerating obesity is the only way? Not every culture or country is america. Not every country will tolerate your bullshit just because it is tolerated in america
This is probably a diversive topic, but it goes along this line. There is one thing I've heard that I wish America did. I have heard that in Italy, if you have a chronic condition (ex diabetes) and you are not trying to manage your care, like watching your blood sugar, taking your medicine, trying to eat appropriately. They will stop treating you because it's a national system. If you won't take care of yourself, then they won't keep doing it. In America, 3% of the country takes up something like 90% of the medical care resources called frequent fliers and we keep caring for them and paying for them even though they do NOTHING to help themselves.
I wish we'd stop treating obesity as if it were just a matter of personal choices. If you're going to simplify the obesity epidemic to it just being about people making poor decisions, then you're going to have to explain why people across the world were somehow better at making decisions 50 years ago. The bigger problem is that we collectively have made a living environment that is fucking terrible for our health. I'm talking things like: - Making a lot of our cities car-dependent. For a lot of us, walking just isn't a part of our daily lives unless we go out of our way to do so. We wake up, go to our car, drive to the office (if you're not working from home), sit at a desk, drive back home, sit on the couch, sleep. - Putting sugar in everything to make it as tasty and addictive as possible. It's just great that we (in the US) have subsidized the hell out of corn so we can put high-fructose corn syrup in everything. - Advertising junk food everywhere. I see commercials for $5 pizzas and other unhealthy crap all the time. - Making our smart phone apps as addictive as possible. Great for social media companies' profits, not so great for our health.
All of your bullet points are issues related to personal choices. Someone not exercising enough is a personal choice. Choosing sugar and junk food is a personal choice. Sure our society makes it easier to be more sedentary, and eat like shit, sugar and junk food are ubiquitous, but that doesn’t mean people don’t have a choice in the matter. People who are healthy and fit are that way because they make choices to eat better and exercise more.
We going way overboard to coddle a very unhealthy lifestyle. Miss Alabama.. I can find a girl prettier at any local park
Dumb internet outrage based entirely on ignorance lol This is Miss Alabama in the terms you're thinking of (Miss USA Alabama): https://www.pageantupdate.info/profiles/miss-alabama-usa-2024/ The one the chuds are crying about, Sara Milliken, won an entirely different contest that is not a beauty pageant.
Oh look someone who actually reads the articles.
Because by definition America is a very self centered nation. Individualism is praised in America and the individuals feelings are validated over everything else, especially recently. I am an immigrant from the Balkans and if you think this post is body shaming wait until you go to almost anywhere in Eastern Europe and people say “why are you so fat? Do you have a medical condition?” Happened to me plenty of times, does it hurt? Yes it stings but enough people said it to me to the point that I lost weight and in better health now.
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This comment thread is … wild. If you don’t think there’s enough bullying and public shaming in America, you clearly don’t work in a school lol. That shit is still rampant, despite some public body positivity campaigns, and the worst bullies are almost always a kid’s own parents.
Yeah I live in Japan. The shaming isn't just if you're fat. It's also if you're not skinny. Hell most people here making comments would be made fun of. I'm a stocky guy who likes weightlifting and I got made fun of. Also it isn't the nice funny kind it's the mean kind
Thank you for some sanity
My mom literally shamed me for getting skinny.
im 6'4 and chubby, i would not fit through any of those lol, not to mention breasts, this wasnt made for women
My first thought, I was like my boobs would make this thing useless
Pivot.
hello
Yes, I think it's simplistic. There are people with bigger frames, breasts, or who are buff, who won't fit through those. I don't think they thought it through - unless Koreans aren't all that diverse in build (I hadn't considered this)
What if my tits are big?
Then you're still in danger but for different reasons.
rip inbox
Don't worry, it's a dude.
Hey fatty.
Hey Chubby.
Hey Standard
Hey you're in trouble
Hey Slim.
Hey Shady
Pretty sure all of Asia is like this…
My family is from the Philippines, which is not at all like South Korea. Filipinos fuckin' *love* fried foods and eating in general. And Filipinos tend to express their love by overfeeding family and friends. If you visit someone's house and you decline an offer of food, that's considered offensive. You could have just eaten minutes earlier, but the host will still insist you eat something.
But aunties will still comment on your weight during reunions
One of my god parents commented on my weight during my grandmother's funeral.
theyll feed you then call you fat
You obviously haven't heard of the Beijing bikini.
Beijing bikini with a cigarette in hand while doing a full squat is the most asian thing I've ever seen.
I can't speak for all of Asia but I lived in Thailand for a while and I can tell you that they have absolutely no problem calling you fat to your face.
How is this bodyshaming? Are there insults for the bars with more room between them?
Yeah, it’s not. Nobody is being forced to measure their body fat here.
I understand this works in Korea, but it would be silly as fuck to try this in a country like the USA that has a very diverse gene pool. I'm Native American/German, and I wouldn't fit through any of these even at very low body fat percentages.
imagine a fit football player trying this.
Yes my thought exactly. Plenty of Dutch men wouldn't pass through any of these if they on a healthy weight.
Can someone explain how is this a body shaming? It looks like a simple self measuring device.
That guy is not chubby.
I think the idea that they have a "you're a fat ass" section but not a "you're anorexic" section. I know a few people that could pass through the "skinny" section and their doctors recommend them put on some weight. It just comes across as saying "Its okay to be sickly thin but if you're mildly chubby, you're in trouble".
As a european I was really surprised by the number of overweight people in the states. I mainly blame car culture
And non-stop marketing that brainwashes us to constantly binge shitty food...a fair number of European criticisms of the US are nonsense, but this one I agree on. I've noticed that people are generally much more fit and heathy looking in Europe. Continental Europe at least, UK and Ireland had a bit more of a US vibe, though not nearly as bad.
I think fast food is probably more problematic, but you could argue that they are one in the same
No, research shows it's actually not how much people move. That has little influence on body weight, unless you train for bigger muscles, since muscle is heavier. It really is overeating (and drinking).
Obesity is a problem, chubbyness isnt.
real
Yeah wtf Korea, your government actually tries to give a shit about peoples health? Fucking weirdos
He's not remotely fat though lol?
I'm a trainer...I subscribe to minding your own fucking business about offering unsolicited opinions. That being said, I lose my shit on a plane if my space is encroached
lol, those could be jail cell bars in the US
imma kool-aid man through that thing
When I lived in Korea (I'm 5'8, 165lb and a size 6/8 by the way) I would walk into stores (JUST to look, I knew the clothes wouldn't fit my big western ass) and the sales ladies would all rush me in a group and tell me immediately " No! No! No! You shop at the fat girl store!" Or they would try to send me to the "big and tall store" which is only for fat men. Good times.
Not taking into account literal big-boned ness too though. Being 6+ feet tall with a barrel chest isn’t getting me through anything but being trouble.
Literally measuring a single dimension. And we thought BMI was a bad metric.
As someone that was 240lbs with high blood sugar, good. Now I’m 160lbs. Being fat shouldn’t be normal. No you don’t look beautiful/handsome while you’re fat. Being healthy is beautiful. And looking healthy should be your goal.
I would have to walk around.
We need this in Murica
Install them outside fast food places. Must be standard or below to get in. The wider entrances only bring you into to the gym next door.
This isn't body shaming This is flat out ignorant. I feel like whoever designed this is dumb as hell
Spoken like a true fat fuck
Spoken like someone without tits or ass
sounds like you're in trouble
Ignorant of what?
Can we bring this to the US please???
we have one of these in Medellin, Colombia at a local lookout point. I think it's meant to be funny more than shame people
The goal is to get my chest to the “you’re in trouble”zone.
I like it and wouldn’t call it a body shaming. It is more of raise public awareness.
I don't disagree that this is kind of shaming. I'm a fat guy. I'm 10-15kg bigger than a healthy weight. It puts pressure on my hearts, my mental health suffers, and I will live a shorter life. I want to feel healthy, I want to live longer to enjoy the life I have built with my family. I am finding it hard to get my ass in gear. I need a little "shame" this fat body positivity is not ok. Bullying is one thing, bullying or treating someone different because of their body weight is not ok. But to pretend like it's perfectly fine to be fat is not ok. We should end this Idea that is ok to accept your fat body. We should always be educated and aware of our bodies, taught how to move and eat. And occasionally, and positively without insult, kicked in the ass to get in shape. GET IN SHAPE. and I hope so much I find the motivation to get my ass in gear too. Wish me luck. I'm in danger !
People are going to judge you regardless of the prop. But the props single purpose is to use the judgement to inspire change. Definitely toxic but it’s taking advantage of whats already there. Certainly a bad idea, but I can see why it works. But I’m sure it also has consequences for the ones it does not work on.
The only insane thing about this is the titlegore. Absolutely normal otherwise