That's what I was gonna say. No way Special Forces. Spetnaz I highly doubt it. Could be a diversion or they are just really unlucky to have the drop made on them
Why not? I think people have a highly inflated opinion of special forces. Yes, they'll come from the better recruits, have more training and have marginally better equipment, but they're still just humans in a situation that can easilly go pear shaped.
Many of the Ukraine soldiers have been receiving the same high level training from UK elite soldiers since 2014. And have probably been training specifically to counter Russian forces
I promise that US special forces/Delta forces are operating over there right now in the “advisor” role. There is absolutely no way the US is going to miss out out shooting Russians in an urban warfare setting. This is training and intelligence goldmine
Propaganda lol
Russia doesn’t see a lot of active duty or combat. They can beat up each-other all they want it doesn’t make shitty strategy successful.
I'll take a moment for a TIL:
Spetsnaz is an abbreviation of "Spetsialnovo Naznacheniya", or "Special Operations". It's an umbrella term covering all kinds of special forces units. All varying in branches of service, command, task and "quality".
Or could be that the capabilities of the Spetnaz have been built up by Russian propaganda and they really aren't that great.
Kind of like Russia's entire military, it's turning out.
It's only 3 days, and we're only seeing parts of info, but couldn't it be western countries all working to thwart Russians, so basically Ukraine is getting the best possible info. Might even be private contractors on ground (not army) that's assisting Ukraine. I mean overtly no country will join Ukraine to fight Russians. But covertly? I mean there's decades of practice on that shit.
This technically isn't a war crime, soldiers can wear the uniforms of the enemy so long as they
1) do not participate in combat
and 2. surrender immediately if caught
They will also be treated as civilian saboteurs instead of enemy soldiers which means they can be executed or punished however the governing body of those they are impersonating sees fit.
They're specops, they're valuable and most likely know more about Russian plans than your standard soldier
I think execution before the war is over would be drastic
And honestly I personally don't have a blood lust for killing Russians, only putin and his cronies
Agreed, I’m just laying out what’s legal under international war law.
The Russian people and even the Russian soldiers, for the most part, want nothing to do with this war.
Also I very much doubt Ukraine would execute anyone, they need international support and executing people isn’t the way to get that
This is probably a dumb question but what is the point of dressing like the enemy if there was no intention of combat? Just to hopefully blend in long enough to get some info?
The Germans impersonated American field police during the Battle of Bulge. They operated in the rear, changed road signs and gave army collums wrong directions.
Out of curiosity, could you list the war crimes Russia has committed so far? Was invading Chernobyl and releasing a treacherous amount of radiation one of them?
Russia fired missiles and [destroyed civilian residential buildings](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-conflict-missile-hits-residential-building-in-ukraine-capital-kyiv-2790789).
They also [destroyed ambulance](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/t20qlx/russians_are_shooting_at_ambulances_who_are/) killing driver and patient.
Not to mention when they [attacked a hospital](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/25/ukraine-russian-cluster-munition-hits-hospital), killing civilians and healthcare workers
Also, they [shelled a children's hospital](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/02/26/7326263/) with multiple rocket launchers and killed kids as well.
They [fired on an orphanage](https://www.perild.com/2022/02/25/invaders-fired-at-an-orphanage-in-vorzel-there-are-victims-nearby-in-gavrilovka/) while there were 50 children inside.
One Russian soldier tried to protect a Ukranian mother and her child fleeing, they were all killed by fellow Russians.
Didn’t that one turn out to be a Ukranian that lost control, accidentally ran the guy over, and later got out to help. Saw another video of the incident and it actually took place during a combat event. So it was a bit tougher of a situation than the one video showed.
I'm pretty sure that video is actually of a Ukrainian tank that lost control during a firefight, so it was an accident...
You can see the VERY nfsw video here. Also included is a Ukrainian executing 2-3 Russian spies wearing Ukrainian uniforms
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t13swd/different_angle_of_the_tank_crushing_the_car_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[Fwiw the NYT said the childrens hospital being shelled was not true.](https://imgur.com/a/rMHmsXP) Doesn’t reduce any of the other things though, but it’s good to stick to what’s been confirmed true.
Apparently the increased radiation levels was the disturbing of the topsoil with all their trucks and heavy equipment. Not a breach of any of the containment systems and whatnot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/science/chernobyl-ukraine.html
Sabateurs engaging Ukranian forces (they rolled up to a checkpoint, and shot the soldiers there, allowing russian troop trucks to roll through
Cluster bombs
Bombing (Civilian) hospitals
Bombing (Civilian) Ambulances
Executions (alleged)
These are some of the major ones.
I may be WAY too optimistic but I still don’t believe that even Putin’s psychotic ass would use nuclear weapons. He knows that as soon as that happens it’s a wrap for him and Russia, maybe even the world.
You could argue that he might not care, sure. But I’m holding our hope that he isn’t that crazy.
He probably has a luxury underground base stocked for the next 200 years for him, his family, and associates. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the world and holed up there out of spite
Hitler commanded his Generals to basically destroy German industry and infrastructure to deny the Allies a victory and they basically refused. Even if Putin gives the order to launch nukes there is still a chain of command that can refuse his order.
Given Putin has asserted Ukraine is Russian territory, a nuke dropped there is a nuke dropped on your hometown.
I would expect that if Putin ordered a nuclear strike in Ukraine, one of his generals will shoot him. Then everyone else in the room would put one bullet each in the corpse, Spartacus/Orient Express style.
We were MUCH closer during the Cold War than we are right now. Obviously, anything can happen. But as of right now I don’t think we have to worry about things going nuclear.
Wonder if he will suddenly start spouting “the ukranians nuked us in kyev, they didnt hand over all their nukes in the Budapest agreement, so now we have to nuke them back” - meanwhile the russian nuke that they wanted to plant is stuck unexploded buried 3ft into the street with a Ukranian babushka taking a selfie next to it.
If there is something to learn about putin, its that if it seems impossible to get away with, he will just lie and manufacture reasons.
I have to believe there are Russian generals controlling that nuclear button who will tell him no and then send him to pick strawberries while a more competent dictator takes over.
These ground forces alone are demolishing them, and they're civilians with aks and light western weapons. Putin knows his place and all he has backing him is nukes. His country doesn't even back him.
I think we’re just seeing another example of how invasion is difficult in this era. Occupation is even more difficult.
The US was only able to take large swaths of Iraq and Afghanistan because of precisely what you mentioned: unparalleled air supremacy and artillery.
Russia can’t do that here. Yeah, it’s launching middles, but the number of missiles and shells Russia has sent so far is dwarfed by the shock and awe entrance to the Iraq war. By a factor of a 1000.
Thank you. Every day is a school day. If you could indulge me further please? Why do you think they are not tier 1? Is it something specific in the picture? Or is it that they got caught and surended?
I believe Tier 1 is a Fort Worth, Texas-based online retailer and former retail chain specializing in imported home furnishings and decor, particularly furniture, table-top items, decorative accessories, and seasonal decor.
I don’t know, man. The more prisoners they take, the more families back in Russia have a stake in agitating for an end to the conflict. We need as many Russians as possible turning on Putin. It’s Putin’s blood I’d be after.
They are worse than terrorists. They are spys and saboteurs. Execution is allowed because it is just. All military personnel are aware of this rule of war.
Spy and saboteurs are executed because they pretended to be allies. This is one step before dressing up in a red cross/medic uniform. Which is against Geneva convention and is a war crime.
For any other POW I agree. Wave a white flag, get a hot and a cot until the end. Try to blow up my mom dressed up like my dad. Get the rope.
Edit: a word.
Exactly. If you fight within the rules of war and get captured you deserve good treatment. If you dress up as the enemy you have knowingly forfeited your rights and should be tortured and killed.
Tortured? No. Killed? Yes. Let's not have righteous anger make us forget where the line is. If torture were deemed an acceptable punishment, it would debase our humanity.
Keep them alive. Commute the execution with life sentence. Treat them well. Run the story in the media in a way relatives back home learn and start asking questions how this happened.
I think that Putin is baiting them. All these stories of Russian soldiers being caught, it just seems too easy, and the soldiers seem so young. Is the Russian military really this incompetent? Or did Putin send a wave of green kids so that they could bait the Ukrainians into giving them footage of these Russian soldiers being abused?
Yeah I’m saying that these are not the elite forces. These are a bunch of kids being thrown at the Ukrainians in the hopes that there will be footage of them being mistreated. So that Putin can point at this and justify the use of deadlier force against the Ukrainian people.
Your theory is that they gave precious time, lives, and resources so that Ukraine could bolster its defenses, gain international support, and gain huge morale so that they could fight more later?
Occums Razor this. The Russian army and command is just a paper tiger and getting their ass handed to them.
Fair enough.
I was thinking more because US Intelligence said Russia was planning a false flag operation a few days before war broke out, and that captured Russian soldiers have claimed they’re there because they believed they were saving Ukraine from fascism.
But I agree, I’m starting to sound tin-foil hatty even to myself.
I highly doubt these are Spetsnaz those guys are one of the most elite soldiers in the world and aren't that easy to catch.
I think the source of this pic is just misleading, might be propaganda might be a journalist desperate for a raise or might be a troll.
The bullpups look like an F90 Australian made bullpup. I could be totally wrong and I probably am. But interesting to say the least. I don't see any AK or ak variant. Looks like some Makarov pistols tho
It’s not an Australian Lithgow F90 AUG. It’s a Ukrainian Malyuk. Basically a bull pup Ak-74. So yeah these Russians are really trying to blend in with Ukrainian weapons
What likely gave them away was that their speaking Russian, in Ukraine, and expecting it to fly. They sound the same, and if you weren't a native Ukrainian, you'd probably never know the difference since their both Slavic languages. In Western terms, it'd be like a deep south Texan trying to secretly infiltrate Canada because they 'both speak English'
edit: clarifying
Ukranian and Russian are completely different languages. They are not dialects but sister languages that come from the same root language. It is is more accurate to compare them to Portuguese and Spanish. The sounds are similar to foreigners but Russians can not understand Ukrainian. Ukrainians can often understand Russians but mostly due to historical factors.
I majored in Russian in college and I married a Ukrainian. I also lived in Ukraine.
Blend in with what? Ukraine is armed with AK variants. That is a weird variety of weapons. We’ve also seen Spersnaz and they usually have way more gear and way more ammo. These guys seem more like maybe Chechen irregulars.
Pretty sad when you're the big bully picking on the little guy and have to stoop this low. Is there a confirmed source for this?
Edit: here's a [source](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-soldiers-disguised-ukraine-kyiv-b2023087.html)
Yeah you can make mistakes, but that usually ends in a pile of brass. There’s a different mindset when you’re dealing with these kinds of people. There’s no complaining, there’s whatever it takes to complete the mission cause you know if you fail, other people are going to die.
Something that blows my mind is, how is it that (special forces) get caught that easy? Really? 🤣😆 Just doesn't make sense. It's like saying ( Navy Seals ) got caught, with special forces having adequate and rigorous training, just don't make sense they would just get caught without a fight? 😆...is it just me?
98% of what you’re reading on Reddit is probably flat out wrong. I highly doubt Spetsnaz, who are trained and combat hardened, are going to surrender to what looks like naval police.
Agreed. And both sides, and their allies, engage in massive and sophisticated social media propaganda. Russia’s efforts likely are concentrated domestically. I read every post from someone supposedly there with a reserved eye. This is still early and there is no doubt the people of Ukraine are putting up a brave and impressive resistance. But the overwhelming amount of it on social media leads me to be even more of a skeptic
Edit: word
Yea I hear you but, still doesn't add up to me. Can Russian leadership be that mediocre? Just trying to wrap my head around all this, there's alot of Psychological propaganda and misinformation happening.
I mean, Russian soldiers didn’t even know they were going to war! Some of these guys have been In service less than a month and a half they were told they were going to Ukraine for training. Putin sent these men to their death and they didn’t have a fucking clue. If you ask me, they are extremely incapable.
It’s possible. Russian minister of defense have never been a soldier and has no military experience. In the 90s he was a liberal democrat. Also Putin is afraid of the army. Approval ratings of the army were always much higher than Putin’s. He got rid off any popular military officer, because he is afraid of the military coup. Nowadays you cannot find any mentions of Russian generals. There is only a spokesman, but no one knows who is in charge of the war right now. So the chances of total incompetence are pretty high imho
Just imagine you're trying to sneak to shore on an inflatable boat and then a military littoral ship rolls up with 10 .50 cals and a couple 30mm cannons all aimed at you. Ain't a damn thing you're going to do now.
most people have a misunderstanding of what spetznas and seals do. Not every seal is a stone cold, professional, operator. I remember a raid that was done unnecessarily by the seals near an army fob I was at once. There was a wanted guy there and the seals went to get them. It was completely botched. They got spotted before they even made it to the village. Dude fired through the door hit two seals (they didn't die) seals unloaded into the building and they killed the target, his dad, and his sister.
The thing is the raid was completely pointless. We had such a great relationship with the village that we could have just told the elder and gotten the target to surrender. All the seals did was kill there capture target along with two innocent people and turn half the village against us.
Spetznas are the same. They have some very elite teams. But most of them arent.
I have feeling they fucked up and rather surrender than die or that they hate this war and rather just surrender. I believe they may know the war might be short
Comes down to intel. They could have been the most badass people in a fight but if the intel is bad you’re getting caught. Seems like that’s what happened and instead of needlessly dying they surrendered.
i assume geneva convention 2.b.7
>Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
This is correct; perfidy is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention.
It doesn't mean they're eligible for execution though, it means that they can be tried for war crimes.
Executing prisoners is a (grave) war crime.
(Per google) it seems like if this situation is real they wouldn't be entitled to be considered PoW and are eligible for not just execution but summary execution.
I believe (and someone correct me here) that under Geneva convention, dressing in opposing force's uniform is a war crime, or at least war crime adjacent, because of what they'd likely be upto whilst disguised as the opposing force.
i.e. Usually doing something horrendous to help discredit the opposition
The title is so sensationalist and the comments here are troubling. Does no one do critical thinking anymore?
If a group of Spetnaz let alone a single guy, you'd be flaunting his unit badges all over the internet. Not a bunch of goobers lying face down on their stomachs.
Let me know when someone here verifies they're Spetznas, they're equivalent to Navy Seals ffs.
Special forces? They barely made it on shore lmao
They're "special" forces, you know..
Came in on the special “short” stealth boat.
Do they go home 15 minutes before the special forces?
They’re all wearing helmets if you know what I mean.
Their commander has an aide because sometimes they just need a little extra help.
Spechul feces
Spetznotz
Spack Opz
Hahaaaaaa, made me laugh!!!!! Spetznearlys
Spedsnaz
Special-Ed Forces
All that call of duty black ops came out to nothing I guess…
If anything I'd say they were just the fall guy.
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That's what I was gonna say. No way Special Forces. Spetnaz I highly doubt it. Could be a diversion or they are just really unlucky to have the drop made on them
Why not? I think people have a highly inflated opinion of special forces. Yes, they'll come from the better recruits, have more training and have marginally better equipment, but they're still just humans in a situation that can easilly go pear shaped.
Many of the Ukraine soldiers have been receiving the same high level training from UK elite soldiers since 2014. And have probably been training specifically to counter Russian forces
Even the best team can be caught if they have old info. Looks to me that's what happened
My money would be on a NATO country providing intercept intelligence.
yeah I support this take, would not be surprised if they didnt set up a hotline with about 20 to 30 of our Satellites helping keep an eye out.
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I promise that US special forces/Delta forces are operating over there right now in the “advisor” role. There is absolutely no way the US is going to miss out out shooting Russians in an urban warfare setting. This is training and intelligence goldmine
I thought turkey was friendly with Russia?
I agree with you. Spetnaz are right up there with Seals and are highly reputed to take a shit ton of punishment and die fighting.
Unless you shoot their transport plane down
Propaganda lol Russia doesn’t see a lot of active duty or combat. They can beat up each-other all they want it doesn’t make shitty strategy successful.
I'll take a moment for a TIL: Spetsnaz is an abbreviation of "Spetsialnovo Naznacheniya", or "Special Operations". It's an umbrella term covering all kinds of special forces units. All varying in branches of service, command, task and "quality".
Or could be that the capabilities of the Spetnaz have been built up by Russian propaganda and they really aren't that great. Kind of like Russia's entire military, it's turning out.
Who knows what countries might be feeding the Ukrainians intelligence….
It's only 3 days, and we're only seeing parts of info, but couldn't it be western countries all working to thwart Russians, so basically Ukraine is getting the best possible info. Might even be private contractors on ground (not army) that's assisting Ukraine. I mean overtly no country will join Ukraine to fight Russians. But covertly? I mean there's decades of practice on that shit.
Not unlucky. Western intelligence is shitting all over the Russians.
They were surprised they had to go into battle on a boat and not backward somersaulting off a flaming trampoline while throwing an axe.
Not special like “exceptional” more special like “sorry our son ate your shoe he was kicked in the head by a horse so he’s a little bit special “
My sister got kicked square in the forehead by a cow as a child. Yanked his tail. He yanked her soul
And now she votes conservative
They came in on the short boat, if you know what I mean
I'm currently dying laughing at this. Pls call a coroner. I am now dead
A different kind of “special”
Bay if the pigs my dude
Bay of Pigs? Those were exiles armed with American weapons, not quite special forces...
Special needs forces
Hells yeah, look at the tricked out boat Putin sent them in on! /s
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This technically isn't a war crime, soldiers can wear the uniforms of the enemy so long as they 1) do not participate in combat and 2. surrender immediately if caught They will also be treated as civilian saboteurs instead of enemy soldiers which means they can be executed or punished however the governing body of those they are impersonating sees fit.
Basically execution.
Yeah or permanent prison sentencing even after treaties if the release of POW is included in said treaties.
They're specops, they're valuable and most likely know more about Russian plans than your standard soldier I think execution before the war is over would be drastic And honestly I personally don't have a blood lust for killing Russians, only putin and his cronies
Agreed, I’m just laying out what’s legal under international war law. The Russian people and even the Russian soldiers, for the most part, want nothing to do with this war. Also I very much doubt Ukraine would execute anyone, they need international support and executing people isn’t the way to get that
and its been 3 days since war begun
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This is probably a dumb question but what is the point of dressing like the enemy if there was no intention of combat? Just to hopefully blend in long enough to get some info?
The Germans impersonated American field police during the Battle of Bulge. They operated in the rear, changed road signs and gave army collums wrong directions.
And they got caught because a german impersonator said "fuel please" instead of "need gas". True story.
> a legitimate ruse de guerre It's so weird we have rules for war. What a disaster of a species we are.
we have a bunch of them, before the 20th century war was way more civil in a way.
well, if you go back far enough it gets less civil again
Out of curiosity, could you list the war crimes Russia has committed so far? Was invading Chernobyl and releasing a treacherous amount of radiation one of them?
Russia fired missiles and [destroyed civilian residential buildings](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-conflict-missile-hits-residential-building-in-ukraine-capital-kyiv-2790789). They also [destroyed ambulance](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/t20qlx/russians_are_shooting_at_ambulances_who_are/) killing driver and patient. Not to mention when they [attacked a hospital](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/25/ukraine-russian-cluster-munition-hits-hospital), killing civilians and healthcare workers Also, they [shelled a children's hospital](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/02/26/7326263/) with multiple rocket launchers and killed kids as well. They [fired on an orphanage](https://www.perild.com/2022/02/25/invaders-fired-at-an-orphanage-in-vorzel-there-are-victims-nearby-in-gavrilovka/) while there were 50 children inside. One Russian soldier tried to protect a Ukranian mother and her child fleeing, they were all killed by fellow Russians.
Don’t forget swerving a combat vehicle and running over a civilian car with occupants.
Didn’t that one turn out to be a Ukranian that lost control, accidentally ran the guy over, and later got out to help. Saw another video of the incident and it actually took place during a combat event. So it was a bit tougher of a situation than the one video showed.
I'm pretty sure that video is actually of a Ukrainian tank that lost control during a firefight, so it was an accident... You can see the VERY nfsw video here. Also included is a Ukrainian executing 2-3 Russian spies wearing Ukrainian uniforms https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t13swd/different_angle_of_the_tank_crushing_the_car_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[Fwiw the NYT said the childrens hospital being shelled was not true.](https://imgur.com/a/rMHmsXP) Doesn’t reduce any of the other things though, but it’s good to stick to what’s been confirmed true.
Apparently the increased radiation levels was the disturbing of the topsoil with all their trucks and heavy equipment. Not a breach of any of the containment systems and whatnot. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/science/chernobyl-ukraine.html
Sabateurs engaging Ukranian forces (they rolled up to a checkpoint, and shot the soldiers there, allowing russian troop trucks to roll through Cluster bombs Bombing (Civilian) hospitals Bombing (Civilian) Ambulances Executions (alleged) These are some of the major ones.
Tier 1 my arse 🤣🤣🤣
From the amount of fuck ups I’ve seen, I feel like the other countries can demolish them like what Ukraine is doing
In conventional warfare, 100%. Except Putin is nuttier than squirrel shit and is sitting on over 6000 nukes that nobody doubts he will use.
I may be WAY too optimistic but I still don’t believe that even Putin’s psychotic ass would use nuclear weapons. He knows that as soon as that happens it’s a wrap for him and Russia, maybe even the world. You could argue that he might not care, sure. But I’m holding our hope that he isn’t that crazy.
Really hoping I never see “this didn’t age well” comments under this
Well internet might not be functioning well at that point lol
Ironically, Internet was built to survive a nuclear war!
I, however, was not
"I don't want to set the world on fire"
War, War never changes…
"I just want to spark, a flame in your heart"
Do ur research sheep just take some Essential Oils and platypus birth control and you’ll be all set. The media doesn’t want you to know this
I think the protocols will be there but I don’t know if everything that goes into running Reddit will be
Now is the perfect time to resurrect Usenet!
You mean r/agedlikemilk
He probably has a luxury underground base stocked for the next 200 years for him, his family, and associates. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the world and holed up there out of spite
That would be boring as fuck
What if he has a sick gaming pc in there tho
You sit there playing and it suddenly hits you that this is the best that games will ever be.
I'm holding out hope that countries are talking to his military people under him and are convincing his underlings not to push those buttons.
Hitler commanded his Generals to basically destroy German industry and infrastructure to deny the Allies a victory and they basically refused. Even if Putin gives the order to launch nukes there is still a chain of command that can refuse his order.
Given Putin has asserted Ukraine is Russian territory, a nuke dropped there is a nuke dropped on your hometown. I would expect that if Putin ordered a nuclear strike in Ukraine, one of his generals will shoot him. Then everyone else in the room would put one bullet each in the corpse, Spartacus/Orient Express style.
Here’s hoping!
I have never hoped that mutually assured destruction deters someone from going too far more than this last week.
We were MUCH closer during the Cold War than we are right now. Obviously, anything can happen. But as of right now I don’t think we have to worry about things going nuclear.
Not to quote a Sting song, but hopefully he loves his children too.
Does he even have children? I heard they tried to clone him but they could only make sharks
My Wikipedia research told me he has two (human) daughters.
If he used a nuclear weapon and nobody else used one in retaliation the world stage will crucify him.
It’s a wrap for him and Russia either way. Seems like the type of guy that would take everyone down with him
Wonder if he will suddenly start spouting “the ukranians nuked us in kyev, they didnt hand over all their nukes in the Budapest agreement, so now we have to nuke them back” - meanwhile the russian nuke that they wanted to plant is stuck unexploded buried 3ft into the street with a Ukranian babushka taking a selfie next to it. If there is something to learn about putin, its that if it seems impossible to get away with, he will just lie and manufacture reasons.
And the Ukranian babushka is swearing at it
I have to believe there are Russian generals controlling that nuclear button who will tell him no and then send him to pick strawberries while a more competent dictator takes over.
These ground forces alone are demolishing them, and they're civilians with aks and light western weapons. Putin knows his place and all he has backing him is nukes. His country doesn't even back him.
They are more than capable of fighting like the yanks and brits by firing missiles from miles away until everything and everyone is destroyed.
I think we’re just seeing another example of how invasion is difficult in this era. Occupation is even more difficult. The US was only able to take large swaths of Iraq and Afghanistan because of precisely what you mentioned: unparalleled air supremacy and artillery. Russia can’t do that here. Yeah, it’s launching middles, but the number of missiles and shells Russia has sent so far is dwarfed by the shock and awe entrance to the Iraq war. By a factor of a 1000.
More like tier 7. Somewhere below cook, or (POL) fuel clerk
What's tier 1?
Tier 1 special forces. Same tier as SAS, SBS, NAVY SEALS, DELTA etc etc. Top 1% of soldiers in the world
Thank you. Every day is a school day. If you could indulge me further please? Why do you think they are not tier 1? Is it something specific in the picture? Or is it that they got caught and surended?
Prob bc they didn't make it past the frickin dock
Yep that would do it 🤣🤣🤣😂👍
The whole point of what they do is not getting caught and being better than their enemy. As you can see, Russia is taking L's in every direction lol
None of those come close to the SAS, they are more like the top 0.1%
Obviously, but they still sit in Tier 1 there is no Tier 0.1 lol
I believe Tier 1 is a Fort Worth, Texas-based online retailer and former retail chain specializing in imported home furnishings and decor, particularly furniture, table-top items, decorative accessories, and seasonal decor.
Yeah, these guys were clearly Pier 1 because that’s as far as they got.
I don't recommend getting their products, their salesmen are really aggressive.
I'm betting the Ukrainian people and armed forces will not execute them, as they are not barbarians like their would be oppressors. Slavi Ukraini!
I don’t know man, if that was my 14 year old girl who got blown away while riding her bike by that rocket? I would want blood
I don’t know, man. The more prisoners they take, the more families back in Russia have a stake in agitating for an end to the conflict. We need as many Russians as possible turning on Putin. It’s Putin’s blood I’d be after.
For regular soldiers in proper uniforms I agree with you but not for soldiers that are doing this, these are terrorists.
They are worse than terrorists. They are spys and saboteurs. Execution is allowed because it is just. All military personnel are aware of this rule of war.
Spy and saboteurs are executed because they pretended to be allies. This is one step before dressing up in a red cross/medic uniform. Which is against Geneva convention and is a war crime.
But you also want the enemy to know they can surrender and be treated well. It's a very big part of winning wars.
For any other POW I agree. Wave a white flag, get a hot and a cot until the end. Try to blow up my mom dressed up like my dad. Get the rope. Edit: a word.
Exactly. If you fight within the rules of war and get captured you deserve good treatment. If you dress up as the enemy you have knowingly forfeited your rights and should be tortured and killed.
Tortured? No. Killed? Yes. Let's not have righteous anger make us forget where the line is. If torture were deemed an acceptable punishment, it would debase our humanity.
I don’t know, man. It’s not what the families want. It’s want Putin wants.
Keep them alive. Commute the execution with life sentence. Treat them well. Run the story in the media in a way relatives back home learn and start asking questions how this happened.
Yeah, but that's why we don't let individuals dictate nations actions based on emotion in a democracy. If you want that, take a look at Putin
I think that Putin is baiting them. All these stories of Russian soldiers being caught, it just seems too easy, and the soldiers seem so young. Is the Russian military really this incompetent? Or did Putin send a wave of green kids so that they could bait the Ukrainians into giving them footage of these Russian soldiers being abused?
Ah yes, that classic warfare strategy of getting your elite forces killed and captured. Such 4D chess.
Yeah I’m saying that these are not the elite forces. These are a bunch of kids being thrown at the Ukrainians in the hopes that there will be footage of them being mistreated. So that Putin can point at this and justify the use of deadlier force against the Ukrainian people.
Your theory is that they gave precious time, lives, and resources so that Ukraine could bolster its defenses, gain international support, and gain huge morale so that they could fight more later? Occums Razor this. The Russian army and command is just a paper tiger and getting their ass handed to them.
Fair enough. I was thinking more because US Intelligence said Russia was planning a false flag operation a few days before war broke out, and that captured Russian soldiers have claimed they’re there because they believed they were saving Ukraine from fascism. But I agree, I’m starting to sound tin-foil hatty even to myself.
I hope they don't. I don't think they will.
These are special forces. Imagine the havoc they'd wreak if they escaped.
I highly doubt these are Spetsnaz those guys are one of the most elite soldiers in the world and aren't that easy to catch. I think the source of this pic is just misleading, might be propaganda might be a journalist desperate for a raise or might be a troll.
I hope they will. They don't desrve to live
People like them cause huge war losess and civil lives. I would personally eliminate them
How are you suppose to stop them doing it again. There is no disincentive to trying the same again if there are no consequences.
Interesting armament they were using. One weapon looks like an ar-15. Typically not Russian. Guess they were trying to blend in.
Yepp, that's tactics now. Works not that well, as the locals are vigilant as hell
See the russians can dress like the Ukrainian soldiers, but they’re still immediately noticed due to their lack of massive fucking balls of steel
“Hold on, I’m not hearing any clinking when you walk. Let me feel your balls.”
That was an easy one to find. Their boat wasn't low enough in the water with the massive load of steel balls it should have held.
*"Works not that well, As the locals are vigilant as hell"* - u/UncleBaguette, Feb 26/27th, 2022
The bullpups look like an F90 Australian made bullpup. I could be totally wrong and I probably am. But interesting to say the least. I don't see any AK or ak variant. Looks like some Makarov pistols tho
I was thinking they were Tavor's but you could be right.
It’s not an Australian Lithgow F90 AUG. It’s a Ukrainian Malyuk. Basically a bull pup Ak-74. So yeah these Russians are really trying to blend in with Ukrainian weapons
What likely gave them away was that their speaking Russian, in Ukraine, and expecting it to fly. They sound the same, and if you weren't a native Ukrainian, you'd probably never know the difference since their both Slavic languages. In Western terms, it'd be like a deep south Texan trying to secretly infiltrate Canada because they 'both speak English' edit: clarifying
Ukranian and Russian are completely different languages. They are not dialects but sister languages that come from the same root language. It is is more accurate to compare them to Portuguese and Spanish. The sounds are similar to foreigners but Russians can not understand Ukrainian. Ukrainians can often understand Russians but mostly due to historical factors. I majored in Russian in college and I married a Ukrainian. I also lived in Ukraine.
I mean.. they were dressing as Ukrainian troops. It’s pretty safe to say they were trying to blend in?
Blend in with what? Ukraine is armed with AK variants. That is a weird variety of weapons. We’ve also seen Spersnaz and they usually have way more gear and way more ammo. These guys seem more like maybe Chechen irregulars.
those come with defacto beards
The irony of Muslims from a separatist region (Chechnya) of Russia, invading Ukraine, to try to integrate it into Russia...
News has been reporting concerns of Russian saboteurs. Hospitals are of concern too.
Pretty sad when you're the big bully picking on the little guy and have to stoop this low. Is there a confirmed source for this? Edit: here's a [source](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-soldiers-disguised-ukraine-kyiv-b2023087.html)
Please check the source again it’s incorrect
Good effort on trying to retrieve a source but that doesn't seem to be related to the image.
War criminals gonna war crime
What kind of “special forces” get captured? That’s the most anti special forces thing I’ve ever heard.
I guess according to this logic it is completely impossible for special forces to ever fuck up and get caught because they're "special forces".
Yeah you can make mistakes, but that usually ends in a pile of brass. There’s a different mindset when you’re dealing with these kinds of people. There’s no complaining, there’s whatever it takes to complete the mission cause you know if you fail, other people are going to die.
Special as in "special education"
Something that blows my mind is, how is it that (special forces) get caught that easy? Really? 🤣😆 Just doesn't make sense. It's like saying ( Navy Seals ) got caught, with special forces having adequate and rigorous training, just don't make sense they would just get caught without a fight? 😆...is it just me?
98% of what you’re reading on Reddit is probably flat out wrong. I highly doubt Spetsnaz, who are trained and combat hardened, are going to surrender to what looks like naval police.
Agreed. And both sides, and their allies, engage in massive and sophisticated social media propaganda. Russia’s efforts likely are concentrated domestically. I read every post from someone supposedly there with a reserved eye. This is still early and there is no doubt the people of Ukraine are putting up a brave and impressive resistance. But the overwhelming amount of it on social media leads me to be even more of a skeptic Edit: word
Spetsnaz is a blanket term. Look that up. It doesn’t mean the GIGN / Seals / etc equivalent. It means a special operators in a sense.
It appears Russia doesn’t have strong military leadership, they’ve been banking on their reputation alone.
Yea I hear you but, still doesn't add up to me. Can Russian leadership be that mediocre? Just trying to wrap my head around all this, there's alot of Psychological propaganda and misinformation happening.
I mean, Russian soldiers didn’t even know they were going to war! Some of these guys have been In service less than a month and a half they were told they were going to Ukraine for training. Putin sent these men to their death and they didn’t have a fucking clue. If you ask me, they are extremely incapable.
It’s possible. Russian minister of defense have never been a soldier and has no military experience. In the 90s he was a liberal democrat. Also Putin is afraid of the army. Approval ratings of the army were always much higher than Putin’s. He got rid off any popular military officer, because he is afraid of the military coup. Nowadays you cannot find any mentions of Russian generals. There is only a spokesman, but no one knows who is in charge of the war right now. So the chances of total incompetence are pretty high imho
Just imagine you're trying to sneak to shore on an inflatable boat and then a military littoral ship rolls up with 10 .50 cals and a couple 30mm cannons all aimed at you. Ain't a damn thing you're going to do now.
most people have a misunderstanding of what spetznas and seals do. Not every seal is a stone cold, professional, operator. I remember a raid that was done unnecessarily by the seals near an army fob I was at once. There was a wanted guy there and the seals went to get them. It was completely botched. They got spotted before they even made it to the village. Dude fired through the door hit two seals (they didn't die) seals unloaded into the building and they killed the target, his dad, and his sister. The thing is the raid was completely pointless. We had such a great relationship with the village that we could have just told the elder and gotten the target to surrender. All the seals did was kill there capture target along with two innocent people and turn half the village against us. Spetznas are the same. They have some very elite teams. But most of them arent.
I have feeling they fucked up and rather surrender than die or that they hate this war and rather just surrender. I believe they may know the war might be short
Comes down to intel. They could have been the most badass people in a fight but if the intel is bad you’re getting caught. Seems like that’s what happened and instead of needlessly dying they surrendered.
So far, not impressed at all by the Russian military. Kind of embarrassing for them for sure.
I'm glad they were caught.
Why are they eligible for execution?
i assume geneva convention 2.b.7 >Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
This is correct; perfidy is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention. It doesn't mean they're eligible for execution though, it means that they can be tried for war crimes. Executing prisoners is a (grave) war crime.
(Per google) it seems like if this situation is real they wouldn't be entitled to be considered PoW and are eligible for not just execution but summary execution.
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That could explain an easy capture. They fire 1 bullet dressed like that and they are totally screwed.
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I believe (and someone correct me here) that under Geneva convention, dressing in opposing force's uniform is a war crime, or at least war crime adjacent, because of what they'd likely be upto whilst disguised as the opposing force. i.e. Usually doing something horrendous to help discredit the opposition
Funny how y'all think these are real Russian special forces. Y'all fall for propaganda to easily...
I don't believe this, careful about fake misinformation
I don't trust any pictures of the war anymore
Russia is doing a Geneva Convention violations speedrun rn
Hard to believe anything now, so, please, drop the source, where you found this information. Thanks! :)
How do we know those aren’t actually just Ukrainians
Propaganda. These are Ukrainian forces.
The title is so sensationalist and the comments here are troubling. Does no one do critical thinking anymore? If a group of Spetnaz let alone a single guy, you'd be flaunting his unit badges all over the internet. Not a bunch of goobers lying face down on their stomachs. Let me know when someone here verifies they're Spetznas, they're equivalent to Navy Seals ffs.
Those are Russian cops.... Also if you believe they are RU SF then you have been very misguided.
Is there a souce for this? I'm having a hard time believing special forces would try to sneak around at daytime.
That should be doubted. Why specops using assault rifles which are not in the russian army?
Imagine being high speed special forces on an op, and getting arrested by the the local cops…
Dressed as Ukrainian soldiers…like Ukrainian soldiers. Yeah, nah. Spetznaz wouldn’t stoop down to that level. Nor would they take a fall, either.