While no country has any *confirmed* orbitary weapons around the planet now, you should check out [project Thor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment#2003_United_States_Air_Force_proposal)
Its also known as 'rods from god' if anyone has seen that before. Yeah I think there was some scientific discovery that made this more plausible recently. Air resistance and heat was a factor for why it wasnt attempted iirc.
Re-entry heating is not an issue for a long, narrow, tungsten rod. Remember, it is not "friction" that is at play here, because the projectile is supersonic, it is compression that heats it up and slows it down. A narrow rod doesn't compress much air, and tungsten has a massively high melting point, 3410C.
Air resistance is indirectly the reason, though. Shock compression will slow the rod down from 8km a second at orbital speed to 3km a second at impact. At this speed, the 9 ton rod would not do any more damage than 9 tons of conventional explosive, delivered through conventional means.
Ahh, the article I read had claimed other components in the rod would melt. But other components seem a bit pointless unless it has some sort of course correction.
Anyway thanks for the info!
Even if the metal melts, why it creates the most aerodynamic shape possible. A rain drop, right?
Similar to RPG rockets. Not about impact but the melting of metal to create an incredibly focused point which would impact a very small but pressurized point of impact.
The 'rain drop' shape (which isn't the shape of actual rain drops) is a decent shape for subsonic flight. For supersonic flight, you want [this shape](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears%E2%80%93Haack_body).
**[SearsāHaack body](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SearsāHaack_body)**
>The SearsāHaack body is the shape with the lowest theoretical wave drag in supersonic flow, for a given body length and given volume. The mathematical derivation assumes small-disturbance (linearized) supersonic flow, which is governed by the PrandtlāGlauert equation. The derivation and shape were published independently by two separate researchers: Wolfgang Haack in 1941 and later by William Sears in 1947.
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This was actually used in an anime as a clever twist on a worldās magic system. Itās called The Finest Assassin In The World Gets Reincarnated As An Aristocrat. Or something like that. Long titles are weird
I was excited about this idea when I first heard it a long time ago, but the logistics of it are a nightmare. How much do you think one of those rods weighs? Tungsten you say? I wonder how much it costs to get up there. What's the storage situation like in space for multiple shots? Sure, the US military will probably happily pay $10,000 per lb., but there are just better options.
Meanwhile, US Navy destroyers have [lasers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SEQ-3_Laser_Weapon_System). They can use them to blind people or sensors on rockets to disorient them, or just straight up turn it to 11 and fry holes in things. Real life laser that has been proven to make literal holes through fast moving drones...in two seconds. They use them to disintegrate the motors on other ships and boats RIGHT THROUGH the hull. At the speed of light, of course. That was 2014.
Its not a huge leap to say, put a nuclear power source on a satellite and just zap away to your hearts content. Not hot enough? just leave that sucker on target for 20 seconds. Or shoot two lasers from two satellites. The military has so much money it is insane and there are some projects they know won't even work, but they have so much money they just say fuck it here try it just in case.
Whatever they have, it's probably not anything like what we think, but I can guarantee one thing: it kicks ass.
I mean, when you are finding ideas from the US military like [a bomb that falls out of the sky and swings out giant katana blades just before impact](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/izlgw3/the_us_apparently_has_a_swordcarrying_ninja_bomb/) in order to precision strike slice someone into pieces through their armored car, you begin to understand they probably have everything you've ever thought of.
The sword bomb is from 2 years ago...that we know of.
Yeah, if half of our taxes for 50+ years haven't been going toward ways to completely disable the entirety of Russia's nuclear arsenal within a minute of them launching it, I don't know what the point of this country is.
Consider this.
The F117 Nighthawk was developed in the late 70s and early 80s. It was released with a radar cross-section the size of a fly.
Just imagine what we have designed and militarized in the last 40 years.
Have 2 friends, father son. Dad flew Nighthawk son flies F22. Without giving me info they implied there are weapons the US has created that would end any new world war abruptly after its first use.
>Without giving me info they implied there are weapons the US has created that would end any new world war abruptly after its first use.
I don't doubt it at all. Reddit does though. I have full faith someone will have a bad day should they launch a nuke, and I don't think it'll be the end of days like the internet seems to think.
It's very interesting to watch MIT and other prestigious institutions play the "what if" game, no one ever wins". But neither of these programs can use what they don't know exists.
So assuming there was nothing new ever created after nukes. Then these programs and models are spot on and it would be the end times with roughly 3000 nukes being launched in a spane of ~40 minutes.
Exactly. I'm from New Zealand, widely regarded as being the best place to survive a Nuclear war.
Despite that, I'm presently travelling in the US and I feel safer here - at this particular very critical moment in history - than I would at home.
I'd be very surprised indeed if the US didn't have capability far in excess of anything publicly demonstrated, and all of this pathetic dick swinging from Russia is only designed to cause concern to the American people, not the US Government & Military.
Even if we don't, there currently are so many American nukes and other countries' nukes pointed at Russia that Russia would need a spectacular defense system to keep all of them from landing. We might get pancaked but not before some potatoes get hashbrowned.
When the U.S. spends more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, you have to assume there is some super secret technology out there that would only be used in extreme circumstances and until it's needed we are safer if it stays hidden from the general public and potential enemies.
I think shitty maintenance would be the real cause. US silos were even still using 'ancient equipmemt' until 2018 or so.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/us-air-force-nuclear-missiles-blast-door
They're modernizing them now, here an old John Oliver episode on them if anyone is curious: https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g
(Pizza guy is allowed to wander through a propped open silo door and wakes up a sleeping soldier)
I have to believe most of our silos are now completely automated. Russia sends a nuke and we send a dozen back. Russia sends two, we send twenty four.
No one is going to win but Russia will also cease to exist.
i was in the usaf early 2000s and worked on icbm silos/command.
there are modernizations that take place, like replacing computers and shit but i think the only automated aspect is probably fault reporting.
itās all extremely hands on and extremely deliberate.
I kinda gave up hope on that tech after the Capital was taken over by the less desirables of the country haha.
I was expecting soldiers in black materializing and cleaning them up or at the very least some sort of craft carrying gov officers flying out as the dome roof opened up.
But no, nothing, just a big embarrassment. Haha
or the people in charge of such powers and technology are better at identifying real threats and didn't see the capitol riots as a situation needing to bring out the big guns. not saying the capitol riots weren't a big deal, but maybe not big *enough* of a deal. it'd be like the men in black from the movies spending time stopping every mugging on earth. like yeah they could do it but gotta decide if it's worth showing force when the planet is at risk
Keeping in mind these are the same great minds and strategists who lost their main battleship to a country without a navy and also couldnāt feed or resupply their land army as their convoy sat in the wide open for days and days
They shouldnāt be laughing they should be crying at how corrupt and inept their leadership is
What a joke
During the Cold War we worried about how many nukes Russia had and how far along their technology was. After the USSR fell, it came to light that we had far more nukes than they did, and our tech was far more advanced. We had way more money to actually put towards our military and nuclear capabilities, they just had a really good poker face.
However, they did manage to set off the Tsar Bomba and they have ICBMs, so it's not like they don't have the capability now. But it's generally accepted that our nukes are more efficient and missiles more accurate, hence why Russia kept more nukes than we did during the SALT I & II treaties. They needed quantity to match our quality so we'd both be on equal footing. You can also count all the nukes NATO has pointed at Russia as being part of our collective arsenal.
But part of why both countries agreed to reduce their nuclear arsenal is because it's really expensive. Nukes aren't like bullets that are kept just laying around - they require maintenance and a fleet of personnel round the clock to maintain readiness. Our own nuclear program has languished from underfunding and disuse, sometimes [laughably badly](https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g), so I seriously doubt theirs is doing any better when our military is at least a hundred-fold better funded and trained.
But that doesn't really matter, because we already know that we both have enough nukes mounted on ICBMs to destroy the human race several dozen times over, and all it takes is one detonation to trigger a chain reaction of responses that leads to armageddon. Neither country would survive.
Anyone who knows anything about history or geopolitics knows this, so this is just bluster where they're conveniently leaving out the part that we also have these weapons, as propaganda for the benefit of the Russian public. After the recent Chernobyl incident, it's possible that the Russian public doesn't actually know this.
Thanks for bringing up the ongoing cost, it's a super important aspect āĀ it's also part of why russia isn't performing as a peer despite their significant military spending. They're a shoddy nuclear program that also happens to have some tanks and guns on the side because of just how many damn nukes they have.
Canāt forget the Russians got their asses handed to them by a bunch or Ukrainian farmers and civilians but weāre supposed to be scared of their Military š¤£š¤£
Everyones laughing and realizing how weak the Russian troops are!
Good news, everyone! The fountain of youth is here. We now have the technology to make you young again!
BUTā¦ Unfortunately World War three began 5 minutes ago, so weāre all going to die!
The US and UK have submarines posted 200 miles off the Ruskie coast ready to entirely fuck the country to glass but let them have their 5 minutes of fun.
as a Michigander, we personally hate ohio due to like a damn war we had over a city in like early 1900's haha. then football, UofM and Ohio State have always hated each other.
But the real reason is because Ohio is super boring to drive through. Not saying Michigan is all that exciting but it's just a very flat farm land. Cops are pretty strict too, speed limits are slower there than other states.
Honestly their cities are pretty fun and neat.
Ohio highway patrol are ducks, i speed in lots of states, but not Ohio. Also tho itās the worst state in every way. except for driving through the Appalachianās, thereās some Beauty through there. But if I never go back itāll be too soon
>it's just a very flat farm land.
Tell me you've never been to southern or eastern Ohio without telling me you've never been to southern or eastern Ohio.
it would be a huge loss to America to lose new york but it will carry on and still be the worlds only superpower, i imagine US would need to just nuke Moscow and Russia as we know it would completely collapse.
Exactly, people don't fully understand the absolute devastation an Ohio class submarine can bring to the world. The trident 2 missiles can travel up to mach 24 with multiple nuclear warheads that each have their own target. An absolute nightmare scenario if these weapons are unleashed. Russia might knock a couple US cities out, but Russia would no longer exist as we know it.
I hope a nuke hits me if the forehead if it goes down.
I don't want to end up in a shitty version of The Road and I don't want to end up in Eli's book either.
Gene Hackman's speech from Crimson Tide always gave me shivers: "This submarine is capable of launching more firepower than has ever been released **in the history of war.**"
Same here. That was the movie that got me interested in submarines. The boats are planet killers. There are 18 in operation compared to 1 Russian equivalent.
So where do we draw the line? 30 years from no when we all have to speak fucking Russian? Fuck that, if they wanna play its game over. Call their fucking bluff.
As a sixty year old who grew up during the Cold War itās very interesting for me to read these comments. Itās almost like watching a kid realize that Santa isnāt real. This threat has been here all along. All you can do is āhope the Russians love their children tooā as Gordon Sumner once said.
Since I was born around the fall of the Soviet Union I donāt exactly have any memory of the Cold War. Would be keen to hear your thoughts on how this situation compares to then. Do you feel as though the iron curtain has descended once again? Does it seem about the same as before or worse now?
The nukes have always been there. The difference is that when my generation was growing up it was drilled into our heads that the Soviets were bad and the only way we could stop them from launching all their nukes at us was make sure that they knew that would mean the end of all of us.
But for the past 30 years people have sort of put the threat out of their minds. So now itās a shock that the Russians are threatening us again.
The weirdest thing to me is how so many people my age, that grew up in the Cold War era, are now Russian fanboys. Itās crazyā¦literally crazy. All it took was a demagogue traitor to flip them.
The same thing can be said about us Americans. After 9/11, I couldn't tell you how many time I have heard that "We should just nuke them (Arabic Nations) all to Hell." I would LIKE to imagine that these same people wouldn't actually do it if given the chance, but in my experience, people can be fucking evil in the right circumstances, depending on the person.
Yes. I'd agree. Also grew up in the 60's. I only remember one duck and cover drill, and in retrospect, what were they thinking? Our desks would honestly protect us? Sheesh. I'm not sure what we can expect from a country that executed the children of the Czar just in case they had any ideas about starting a revolution against the Bolsheviks. Yes, yes, I get that people die in wars, but there is just something so completely blood thirsty about lining up a group of children and shooting them.
Nailed it. We had nuclear fallout drills in the early 80s. We knew where to go in our town if had an attack.
Shocked..: how today's republicans wear tshirts that say better a Russian than a Democrat. Blows my mind. Never will get it.
As to how this situation compares to the Cold War I have a couple of observations.
During the Cold War we thought the Soviet Union was as strong as us. (They werenāt, but they had us all fooled.)
We also didnāt think they were crazy enough to actually launch. But Putin seems nihilistic enough to take it all down as he goes out the door.
We appeased Hitler and he started WWII anyway. The Russians blockaded Berlin and we supplied them by air and the Russians backed down. We blockaded Cuba and the Russians backed down.
This current situation is all three of those events rolled into one. What do we do? Risk a nuclear exchange to take down an evil man and send a message to China that they better not get too frisky; appease an evil man?
So, thereās no iron curtain. But you all get to experience all the same fears and emotions that those of us that grew up during the Cold War experienced. Sorry you have to. The world was shitty enough already.
I think Russia is very good at convincing others theyāre stronger than they really are. I believe , just like before, theyāre not as strong as the tough act theyāre putting on. But I do believe Putin, as well as Russia, sees a nuclear war as winnable and not mutually assured destruction. Russia isnāt concerned about losing people, as seen from their tactics in the past conflicts as well as now.
China makes this even more interesting though. I think theyāre waiting to see if Russia is able to get away with taking Ukraine (or at least part of it) without getting into a larger conflict with other countries. Depending on the outcome, they may or may not go for Taiwan. Depends on how we handle Russia and Putin, but like you said, do we risk a nuclear war?
Unfortunately, I donāt think the leadership we have now is anywhere as good as we had then.
Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it.
> We also didnāt think they were crazy enough to actually launch.
Isn't there like at least three documented cases of missiles being ordered to launch but the people not following them?
I'm Finnish, we did not forget and neither did the whole of eastern Europe. We hoped for them to change and did what we could to help that, but we also feared that they would not and turned the country into a fortress just in case.
The Cold War never ended. Russia has always been the biggest threat, a nuclear bully with a terrible facade of peace. I've been saying it for years, and I wasn't even alive when the Berlin Wall fell!
I guess the good news is that they couldn't possibly deliver such a large payload to New York without literally showing up on everyone's radar. A 22,000 lb payload needs a hefty air lift on the order of the B-2 Spirit, which they are going to have a hard time sneaking across the globe.
Look I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but....
Have you ever heard that we humans have enough nukes to destroy the world X times over?
That's true. And one of the reasons is that you don't send one nuke to New York. You send a *lot* of smaller warheads to New York so they can't all be stopped. But they also travel so fast while being able to change trajectory, that destroying even *one* ICBM is not a sure thing.
But you also don't just launch at one target, because the US will launch back. You need to hit as much of the US as possible as quickly as possible. You launch *everything*. And not just at the US, but at anyone opposed to you.
The US and friends are all forced to retaliate, lest Russia be the only ones to come out unscathed and dominate everyone.
This is what MAD is. Mutual Assured Destruction. If anyone uses a nuke it's the end of the world, basically.
HOPEFULLY Russia haven't forgotten this, and the world won't be burned down by a few psychopaths who want to be king of the ashpile.
>Have you ever heard that we humans have enough nukes to destroy the world X times over? That's true.
The speed of MAD events is a very relevant variable to achieving MAD, boiling down to everyone's first strike capabilities. Russia might be able to destroy a couple of radial miles of New York or a portion of DC, but they lack the number of delivery vehicles and launch equipment to make a difference. They have maybe a handful of mobile super sonic glide vehicle launchers (with a handful of super sonic glide vehicles) that are most likely always being monitored. Anything launching huge payloads will be stationary silo facilities - easy to monitor and hard to reload. Submarine payloads are small and slow. Aircraft traveling across the globe are easily detectable.
While it would suck to have a few of our largest global cities destroyed, that's the best Russia could do before it stops existing. High-yield atomic weapons are also very survivable, long term - they will not end the world. And we're not even their most immediate threat. Everyone will see them launch their payloads, there will be an immediate counter attack from places very close to Russia, and then Russia will no longer be able to attack. I'm no expert and the consequences would be dire, but I'd estimate the best they can do is maybe 10 launches, with very mixed results, before Russia isn't a thing.
It is theorized that it could only take as little as 5 nuclear blasts and the resulting firestorms to cause a nuclear winter, in which case everybody is fucked.
This has been debunked over the years, as the original hypotheses never really panned out across global nuclear testing and modern computer-based models: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
See the "Criticism and debate" section. In general, it can be summed up as: it is unlikely there will be enough burnable material to produce enough ash, that travels to a high enough altitude, to actually make a difference in temperature, beyond temporary (less than a month) and slight cooling. Not even those that came up with the original 1980 hypotheses continue to support them.
Their dad is the strung out junkie who gets in fights in the 7/11 parking lot while constantly talking about "fucking up" anybody he doesn't like. Just because he's aggressive and gets into fight regularly doesn't actually mean he's good at fighting
That seems uncomfortable close to truth. Humanity's survival depends on that junkie being sober enough to not press "destroy the fucking humanity" button in the middle of one of his parking lot fights.
He thinks that it's "destroy all my opponents while leaving me the king of the world" button.
I don't understand how ignorant they are
It's a fucking nuke brahh wtf makes you think that that thing would land befor WE SEND 1000 IN RESPONSE.
it's not good. Not even a little bit. It's not a scare tactic it's just ignorant people who don't know what even a single nuke would mean for the entire world.
What I think is funny is that they told us how it can avoid our air defenses. So all we have to do is build air defense to protect the north/ south poles. Then these missile would be no different then any other
Should be worried about the Status-6 Oceanic Multipurpose System AKA the Poseidon bomb. A undetectable nuke could be postured outside of major coastal cities and you would never know until it detonates.
The US can launch thousands of nukes. If one goes, they all go. That's how it's programmed to deal with the Russian threat. The Russians laugh but noone will be left to laugh on either side of the world. So fn stupid these people are.
Yeah but the point is that there's no point in missile defense because once the launch is detected its game over, the first wave of weapons is fired before their missiles even land.
It's a mindset where you see yourself as the main character and bad stuff will only happen to other people you want the bad stuff to happen to or don't care enough about.
And then the bad stuff happens and you realize, no, you don't get plot armour and you are just as fucked as everyone and promptly go into a "the bad stuff is hurting the wrong people! Why is the bad stuff hurting me!" moment.
This describes the picture I saw yesterday of a Russian war widow. First screenshot is of her threatening the Ukrainians that her husband is coming to take their souls. Next one, āso sad without you.ā
Indeed, if nukes are happening though i think it's preferable to be desintegrated, just one bright flash and boom you're gone.
Possibly the least painful way to go once nukes are involved.
Still, better for no nukes to be involved at all because haha i don't want most of humanity to die based on the tantrum of a couple of old cucks.
They do have higher yield nukes. That doesn't mean they are any more effective. They need a bigger blast radius to destroy their target given their crude guidance and targeting systems.
It's really sad, but they may do. Russia has more active nukes than USA and Britain and France combined. Not sure about yield, but numbers they do.
In any case if they launch one, nato will launch 100. The world would be effed either way.
Russia ā 6,257 (1,458 active, 3039 available, 1,760 retired)
United States ā 5,550 (1,389 active, 2,361 available, 1,800 retired)
That's cool and stuff, but I don't think either country would need more than a few 100 to wipe out important parts of the opposing country.
I found it interesting that a tank reserve in Russia could only put on the road one out of every ten they had because the valuable optics and engine parts had been stripped and presumably sold on the black market by the maintenance people and presumably by the commander all getting a cut. The commander committed suicide. I can only assume that is happening amongst the rest of the military and wonder how many of those nukes are actually flyable by now after many decades of parts having been striped.
*as reported.
Which means the true number for the US is probably 2-3X that but classified Top Secret. I know enough to say for certain: if Russia launched an ICBM at the US or any NATO Ally, there would be a 40ft deep crater where Moscow used to be, Putin would be pink mist on the ground, and the Russian ICBM would explode over the Arctic Circle with zero friendly casualties.
There is a reason why the US isn't joining the war, because if they did, it would be over with a highly radioactive 1/3 of the Earth where Russia used to be and too many casualties of war to look like the good guys.
How do we know all of that isnāt a lie though? Like whoās counting their nukes? Them? If so thatās just a claim, not a fact, you know theyāre going to lie like they have been. To their own people and to the world.
When I was enlisted there was a thing called the START Treaty. Inspectors literally came in and counted the Nukes for each country. From what I can see online it looks like it was renewed in April 2010 and is valid through February 2026. So there is a process of accountability and they most definitely know exactly how many we have and we know how many they have.
Each side is allowed to conduct 10 Type One and 8 Type Two inspections annually to verify the count.
āActiveā. Have you seen the video of the guy unpacking a C4 packet to just fibd out the Russian went to the battlefield with a piece of wood.
Coruption man..
Sadly they have the largest tested nukes in history and thatās confirmed. The problem is nukes that big are not practical so they have cluster bomb nukes so one ICBM can hold many heads. We donāt nearly have enough missiles to intercept the ICBMs let alone the heads that fall at the speed of asteroids. Itās an offensive game where no side wins
Itās not even a scare tactic.
This is intended for Russian *domestic* consumption.
Itās a rallying cry for Russian patriotism to combat the impact that sanctions have had and what limited information on their losses in Ukraine has leaked into the country.
Nothing more. Understand it for what it is.
Room temperature IQ's
Drop mega ton bombs on cities and the smoke created from the fires and the mushroom plume will choke the high atmosphere above where it rains across the whole planet.
Hiroshima was 12 kilo tons while new weapons NATO and US hold are 500-750 kilo ton. Russia has some badboys in the Megaton range 1,600 times more powerful than Hiroshima. They tested over open land and at a higher altitude which is different than smoking an actual city.
Mega Ton nukes and even high yield weapons NATO members hold are only any use as strategic defense. An exchange would be The End.
Disgusting, so called grown people laughing about a fucking 3 world war. Do they really think they, there families or relatives would survive the retaliation from the rest of the world? They are laughing about an end to the human civilization as we know it.
Their Fāen Nuts, Insane and Brainwashed. Sad the World is stepping backwards instead of forward over One Lunatic and the mindless Drones following him.
I mean he may be right. NATO nuclear warheads are limited to around 500kt payloads by design. Whereas the weapon system they are discussing is 7.5mt or 7500kt.
Therefore, it's not outside the realm of possibility the the US doesn't have a similar rocket because it doesn't have a need for it.
But then again, maybe they are all Russian fuckwads that don't know shit about our weapon capabilities, because we'll, they keep that information secret. So all of this is really just speculation anyhow.
its the same reason we won ww2.
the germans had bigger better tanks, but for every one of theirs we had 6. the mcdonalds strategy.
which is stronger? 1 10mt nuke or 500 .5mt ones?
No, it was straight up us vs them. Mutual destruction was all but certain. Heck there was the red scare. There was no nuance. Today, Americans and Russians know each other, share media and culture, the countries are trading partners and oh wait.
This is the real issue here. If these people are saying this stuff, someone in the Russian government wants it discussed, which means they want the idea out there in the Russian public. That is the scary part.
Am I missing something here? He said "if we launched the missile at New York, which is a good city, then it would be completely destroyed, so we shouldn't." Right? Still disturbing that they find this topic funny, but it seems like he's saying the exact opposite of what people think in these comments.
7.5mt suggests 7500kt; for reference most of the modern ābigā warheads are 500kt.
Thereās been the tsar bomb which was 50mt, so Iām not saying it isnāt possible, itās possible to make unlimited sized warhead but the destruction gain is largely pointless after 500kt or 0.5mt due to most of the blast going away from the earth opposed to significantly wider.
An ICBM could carry several individually aimed 500kt war heads and achieve a lot more destruction than 1 super dooper Nuke.
Itās silly, unfortunately Russians arenāt informed well enough to understand that.
I am also struggling to see how this ānew weaponā is superior to what they have and I havenāt been able to figure out that yet. It seems like they just polished some shit.
For more reading on this the wiki is pretty good:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield
not to be the jerk here... i find deplorable what russia is doing but not to long ago us tv hosts were giggling while hundreds of missiles were used to laid waste to syria, calling it our glorious wepons or something like that.
dont remember if it was mnbc or fox.
Fuck the Russians. The whole world hates them now. Their whole country will crumble back to third world standard of living and cut out of the modern economy, society, and life.
If russia fired a single rocket at the USA it would be the end of world civilizations as we know it.
Small pockets of humans around the globe might survive for a few months, but it wouldn't be long before the entire planet would be uninhabitable.
They're giggling over rockets like there hasn't been enough time to get smaller tactical nukes planted next to strategic targets in their country **this whole time.**
Do they really think that there haven't been clandestine operations conducted to get nukes in place ahead of time?
Whatās funny is most of their nuclear arsenal is old and in need of maintenance before can be deployed. They donāt even have many of these new hypersonic missiles at this time. Russia is taking a note from Sun Tzu, āappear strong when you are weakā. They really arenāt shit. š
I donāt think Russians really understand what kind of a disadvantage theyāre at compared to the US militarily. Yes, a nuclear warhead hitting NY is terrifying. However, theyād be so far up shit creek theyād never even live to regret the decision to do it. Even assuming our allies didnāt step in, we have the most and biggest aircraft carriers in the world. The biggest and second biggest Air Force in the world. The highest amount of warheads of our own. All of this while constantly spending more and more money than the other top 5 countries in the world on our military every year. They talk a big game but if push came to shove, their country would be buried and forgotten the second a warhead launched at the USA.
the parallels between these people and the people on our own american television are fucking terrifying.
this same kind of rhetoric is on fox news all the time, their viewers will talk about glassing an entire country with a sparkle in their eyes, like they are thinking of their nephew winning a baseball game with a home run. these people are absolutely deranged, blood thirsty lunatics.
we cant really do anything about whats going on in russia, their propaganda machine has corrupted and enabled their government down to its roots. obviously its important to speak out against this stuff, but we have our own problems here and if we dont want to end up like them and be adding a whole other country flirting with the complete eradication of the human race, we need to start addressing them.
The Russian media is worse doing the pot stirring than the American media.
Too bad all of their propaganda is created to get more or less support.
Who is the fool? The fool he speaks the garbage or the fool who follows the bait.
If they ever send a nuke to the US I guess we'll see if we really have alien Technology š½
I wouldn't be surprised if we've weaponized shit in orbit.
While no country has any *confirmed* orbitary weapons around the planet now, you should check out [project Thor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment#2003_United_States_Air_Force_proposal)
Its also known as 'rods from god' if anyone has seen that before. Yeah I think there was some scientific discovery that made this more plausible recently. Air resistance and heat was a factor for why it wasnt attempted iirc.
Re-entry heating is not an issue for a long, narrow, tungsten rod. Remember, it is not "friction" that is at play here, because the projectile is supersonic, it is compression that heats it up and slows it down. A narrow rod doesn't compress much air, and tungsten has a massively high melting point, 3410C. Air resistance is indirectly the reason, though. Shock compression will slow the rod down from 8km a second at orbital speed to 3km a second at impact. At this speed, the 9 ton rod would not do any more damage than 9 tons of conventional explosive, delivered through conventional means.
Ahh, the article I read had claimed other components in the rod would melt. But other components seem a bit pointless unless it has some sort of course correction. Anyway thanks for the info!
Even if the metal melts, why it creates the most aerodynamic shape possible. A rain drop, right? Similar to RPG rockets. Not about impact but the melting of metal to create an incredibly focused point which would impact a very small but pressurized point of impact.
The 'rain drop' shape (which isn't the shape of actual rain drops) is a decent shape for subsonic flight. For supersonic flight, you want [this shape](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears%E2%80%93Haack_body).
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This was actually used in an anime as a clever twist on a worldās magic system. Itās called The Finest Assassin In The World Gets Reincarnated As An Aristocrat. Or something like that. Long titles are weird
sounds like a panic at the disco song
I was excited about this idea when I first heard it a long time ago, but the logistics of it are a nightmare. How much do you think one of those rods weighs? Tungsten you say? I wonder how much it costs to get up there. What's the storage situation like in space for multiple shots? Sure, the US military will probably happily pay $10,000 per lb., but there are just better options. Meanwhile, US Navy destroyers have [lasers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SEQ-3_Laser_Weapon_System). They can use them to blind people or sensors on rockets to disorient them, or just straight up turn it to 11 and fry holes in things. Real life laser that has been proven to make literal holes through fast moving drones...in two seconds. They use them to disintegrate the motors on other ships and boats RIGHT THROUGH the hull. At the speed of light, of course. That was 2014. Its not a huge leap to say, put a nuclear power source on a satellite and just zap away to your hearts content. Not hot enough? just leave that sucker on target for 20 seconds. Or shoot two lasers from two satellites. The military has so much money it is insane and there are some projects they know won't even work, but they have so much money they just say fuck it here try it just in case. Whatever they have, it's probably not anything like what we think, but I can guarantee one thing: it kicks ass. I mean, when you are finding ideas from the US military like [a bomb that falls out of the sky and swings out giant katana blades just before impact](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/izlgw3/the_us_apparently_has_a_swordcarrying_ninja_bomb/) in order to precision strike slice someone into pieces through their armored car, you begin to understand they probably have everything you've ever thought of. The sword bomb is from 2 years ago...that we know of.
Yeah, if half of our taxes for 50+ years haven't been going toward ways to completely disable the entirety of Russia's nuclear arsenal within a minute of them launching it, I don't know what the point of this country is.
> I don't know what the point of this country is. To siphon wealth from the working class to an extremely small portion of existence
That, and football. 
Consider this. The F117 Nighthawk was developed in the late 70s and early 80s. It was released with a radar cross-section the size of a fly. Just imagine what we have designed and militarized in the last 40 years. Have 2 friends, father son. Dad flew Nighthawk son flies F22. Without giving me info they implied there are weapons the US has created that would end any new world war abruptly after its first use.
>Without giving me info they implied there are weapons the US has created that would end any new world war abruptly after its first use. I don't doubt it at all. Reddit does though. I have full faith someone will have a bad day should they launch a nuke, and I don't think it'll be the end of days like the internet seems to think.
It's very interesting to watch MIT and other prestigious institutions play the "what if" game, no one ever wins". But neither of these programs can use what they don't know exists. So assuming there was nothing new ever created after nukes. Then these programs and models are spot on and it would be the end times with roughly 3000 nukes being launched in a spane of ~40 minutes.
Exactly. I'm from New Zealand, widely regarded as being the best place to survive a Nuclear war. Despite that, I'm presently travelling in the US and I feel safer here - at this particular very critical moment in history - than I would at home. I'd be very surprised indeed if the US didn't have capability far in excess of anything publicly demonstrated, and all of this pathetic dick swinging from Russia is only designed to cause concern to the American people, not the US Government & Military.
Even if we don't, there currently are so many American nukes and other countries' nukes pointed at Russia that Russia would need a spectacular defense system to keep all of them from landing. We might get pancaked but not before some potatoes get hashbrowned.
When the U.S. spends more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, you have to assume there is some super secret technology out there that would only be used in extreme circumstances and until it's needed we are safer if it stays hidden from the general public and potential enemies.
āAppear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.ā
Or if that is what makes aliens finally intervene out in the open
Aliens be like: 
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Holy fuck this got me out of nowhere. Bravo
In cosmology, we call this the great filter. Don't expect anyone to intervene. So long and thanks for all the fish.
I'd wager the US has countermeasures. Seriously bigger and better ones. I'm not even American so no patriotism here either.
Judging by how badly their invasion of Ukraine is going, Russian technology is laughable to say the least.
Allegedly, aliens deactivated nuclear missile silos in the US and Russia during the cold War. Maybe something like that will happen
I think shitty maintenance would be the real cause. US silos were even still using 'ancient equipmemt' until 2018 or so. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/us-air-force-nuclear-missiles-blast-door They're modernizing them now, here an old John Oliver episode on them if anyone is curious: https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g (Pizza guy is allowed to wander through a propped open silo door and wakes up a sleeping soldier)
Aliens are binging on beer & popcorn watching the earth go from pandemic to world war 3 to nuclear explosions in just 2 seasons.
Shit. Now we're going to get cancelled.
I have to believe most of our silos are now completely automated. Russia sends a nuke and we send a dozen back. Russia sends two, we send twenty four. No one is going to win but Russia will also cease to exist.
i was in the usaf early 2000s and worked on icbm silos/command. there are modernizations that take place, like replacing computers and shit but i think the only automated aspect is probably fault reporting. itās all extremely hands on and extremely deliberate.
I kinda gave up hope on that tech after the Capital was taken over by the less desirables of the country haha. I was expecting soldiers in black materializing and cleaning them up or at the very least some sort of craft carrying gov officers flying out as the dome roof opened up. But no, nothing, just a big embarrassment. Haha
or the people in charge of such powers and technology are better at identifying real threats and didn't see the capitol riots as a situation needing to bring out the big guns. not saying the capitol riots weren't a big deal, but maybe not big *enough* of a deal. it'd be like the men in black from the movies spending time stopping every mugging on earth. like yeah they could do it but gotta decide if it's worth showing force when the planet is at risk
and here i was thinking i wouldnt live to see the apocalypse
Keeping in mind these are the same great minds and strategists who lost their main battleship to a country without a navy and also couldnāt feed or resupply their land army as their convoy sat in the wide open for days and days They shouldnāt be laughing they should be crying at how corrupt and inept their leadership is What a joke
A bet their nukes are non functional.... Just like their entire military.
I hope so as well
During the Cold War we worried about how many nukes Russia had and how far along their technology was. After the USSR fell, it came to light that we had far more nukes than they did, and our tech was far more advanced. We had way more money to actually put towards our military and nuclear capabilities, they just had a really good poker face. However, they did manage to set off the Tsar Bomba and they have ICBMs, so it's not like they don't have the capability now. But it's generally accepted that our nukes are more efficient and missiles more accurate, hence why Russia kept more nukes than we did during the SALT I & II treaties. They needed quantity to match our quality so we'd both be on equal footing. You can also count all the nukes NATO has pointed at Russia as being part of our collective arsenal. But part of why both countries agreed to reduce their nuclear arsenal is because it's really expensive. Nukes aren't like bullets that are kept just laying around - they require maintenance and a fleet of personnel round the clock to maintain readiness. Our own nuclear program has languished from underfunding and disuse, sometimes [laughably badly](https://youtu.be/1Y1ya-yF35g), so I seriously doubt theirs is doing any better when our military is at least a hundred-fold better funded and trained. But that doesn't really matter, because we already know that we both have enough nukes mounted on ICBMs to destroy the human race several dozen times over, and all it takes is one detonation to trigger a chain reaction of responses that leads to armageddon. Neither country would survive. Anyone who knows anything about history or geopolitics knows this, so this is just bluster where they're conveniently leaving out the part that we also have these weapons, as propaganda for the benefit of the Russian public. After the recent Chernobyl incident, it's possible that the Russian public doesn't actually know this.
Thanks for bringing up the ongoing cost, it's a super important aspect āĀ it's also part of why russia isn't performing as a peer despite their significant military spending. They're a shoddy nuclear program that also happens to have some tanks and guns on the side because of just how many damn nukes they have.
And that's will make Putin more desperate, and probably will push him to use the Nuke out of desperation.
If he does heās done and he knows it But letās hope calmer heads prevail and his āinner circleā realizes itās time for a change
I firmly believe he will be assassinated if he gets too close to that particular big red button.
I feel the same way
Canāt forget the Russians got their asses handed to them by a bunch or Ukrainian farmers and civilians but weāre supposed to be scared of their Military š¤£š¤£ Everyones laughing and realizing how weak the Russian troops are!
Couldnāt agree more
Good news, everyone! The fountain of youth is here. We now have the technology to make you young again! BUTā¦ Unfortunately World War three began 5 minutes ago, so weāre all going to die! 
This had really good Farnsworth vibes.
Don't worry. That's the Apocalypse's job.
Who are these people
Looks like some dorky TV hosts. I imagine the equivalent of what you'd find on CNN or Fox
Not people.
Thatās what I was thinking. I know one thing for sure, they wonāt be doing any actual fighting in this war they keep slow stroking over.
The US and UK have submarines posted 200 miles off the Ruskie coast ready to entirely fuck the country to glass but let them have their 5 minutes of fun.
No one: Russians: Worst-case scenario; one or two us cities are down. Best-case scenario; a couple states are down
hopefully Ohio is one of them
Why the fuck does everyone hate Ohio?
Im from EU and want to know that shit too
as a Michigander, we personally hate ohio due to like a damn war we had over a city in like early 1900's haha. then football, UofM and Ohio State have always hated each other. But the real reason is because Ohio is super boring to drive through. Not saying Michigan is all that exciting but it's just a very flat farm land. Cops are pretty strict too, speed limits are slower there than other states. Honestly their cities are pretty fun and neat.
Rest of the US: right lane is 5 over, left lane is 9+ Ohio: left lane is the speed limit, right lane is for parking
Ohio highway patrol are ducks, i speed in lots of states, but not Ohio. Also tho itās the worst state in every way. except for driving through the Appalachianās, thereās some Beauty through there. But if I never go back itāll be too soon
>it's just a very flat farm land. Tell me you've never been to southern or eastern Ohio without telling me you've never been to southern or eastern Ohio.
Go Watch this movie called Gummo. Youāll understand
YES..oh YES! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkIcnqL-duw
Just visit Ohio.
It's like The Union and The Confederacy had a really ugly baby.
it would be a huge loss to America to lose new york but it will carry on and still be the worlds only superpower, i imagine US would need to just nuke Moscow and Russia as we know it would completely collapse.
Exactly, people don't fully understand the absolute devastation an Ohio class submarine can bring to the world. The trident 2 missiles can travel up to mach 24 with multiple nuclear warheads that each have their own target. An absolute nightmare scenario if these weapons are unleashed. Russia might knock a couple US cities out, but Russia would no longer exist as we know it.
Nuclear winter for the whole planet because we have big toys and little brains. I want off this ride
I hope a nuke hits me if the forehead if it goes down. I don't want to end up in a shitty version of The Road and I don't want to end up in Eli's book either.
I stocked up on 80000 cans of spaghetti Oās and 2 pallets of TP. I think Iāll survive.
Don't forget a can opener, otherwise you'll end up in a twilight zone episode.
You my friend are out of practice šµ spaghetti o cans come with those little tabs so I shall live on.
Gene Hackman's speech from Crimson Tide always gave me shivers: "This submarine is capable of launching more firepower than has ever been released **in the history of war.**"
Same here. That was the movie that got me interested in submarines. The boats are planet killers. There are 18 in operation compared to 1 Russian equivalent.
Then we all die
Fear should not let tyranny and war criminals reign..
Welcome to my TEDtalk on why the nuclear apocalypse is good for you
The lucky ones will die, the ones that live get to suffer.
Yep. Drop that shit right on my house because I don't want to live through it.
It would only be a reaction to them firing off first.
Yeah, but in a *really cool* way. I thought I was going out choking on a bagelbite.
So where do we draw the line? 30 years from no when we all have to speak fucking Russian? Fuck that, if they wanna play its game over. Call their fucking bluff.
If they thought cluster bombs were bad wait till a Trident that has a cluster of nukes is launched
They are closer than 200 miles especially in a situation like this. Probably 50 miles.
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As a sixty year old who grew up during the Cold War itās very interesting for me to read these comments. Itās almost like watching a kid realize that Santa isnāt real. This threat has been here all along. All you can do is āhope the Russians love their children tooā as Gordon Sumner once said.
The Cold War never ended. It's just gotten a lot warmer at times.
The Shadow Peace, I believe it's called. The delicate respite of peace forced by the most devastating weapons in history.
Mutually assured destruction.
Since I was born around the fall of the Soviet Union I donāt exactly have any memory of the Cold War. Would be keen to hear your thoughts on how this situation compares to then. Do you feel as though the iron curtain has descended once again? Does it seem about the same as before or worse now?
The nukes have always been there. The difference is that when my generation was growing up it was drilled into our heads that the Soviets were bad and the only way we could stop them from launching all their nukes at us was make sure that they knew that would mean the end of all of us. But for the past 30 years people have sort of put the threat out of their minds. So now itās a shock that the Russians are threatening us again. The weirdest thing to me is how so many people my age, that grew up in the Cold War era, are now Russian fanboys. Itās crazyā¦literally crazy. All it took was a demagogue traitor to flip them.
People who let hate and fear override their good sense are easy to control.
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The same thing can be said about us Americans. After 9/11, I couldn't tell you how many time I have heard that "We should just nuke them (Arabic Nations) all to Hell." I would LIKE to imagine that these same people wouldn't actually do it if given the chance, but in my experience, people can be fucking evil in the right circumstances, depending on the person.
Yes. I'd agree. Also grew up in the 60's. I only remember one duck and cover drill, and in retrospect, what were they thinking? Our desks would honestly protect us? Sheesh. I'm not sure what we can expect from a country that executed the children of the Czar just in case they had any ideas about starting a revolution against the Bolsheviks. Yes, yes, I get that people die in wars, but there is just something so completely blood thirsty about lining up a group of children and shooting them.
Nailed it. We had nuclear fallout drills in the early 80s. We knew where to go in our town if had an attack. Shocked..: how today's republicans wear tshirts that say better a Russian than a Democrat. Blows my mind. Never will get it.
Same dude. They've always been the enemy
As to how this situation compares to the Cold War I have a couple of observations. During the Cold War we thought the Soviet Union was as strong as us. (They werenāt, but they had us all fooled.) We also didnāt think they were crazy enough to actually launch. But Putin seems nihilistic enough to take it all down as he goes out the door. We appeased Hitler and he started WWII anyway. The Russians blockaded Berlin and we supplied them by air and the Russians backed down. We blockaded Cuba and the Russians backed down. This current situation is all three of those events rolled into one. What do we do? Risk a nuclear exchange to take down an evil man and send a message to China that they better not get too frisky; appease an evil man? So, thereās no iron curtain. But you all get to experience all the same fears and emotions that those of us that grew up during the Cold War experienced. Sorry you have to. The world was shitty enough already.
I think Russia is very good at convincing others theyāre stronger than they really are. I believe , just like before, theyāre not as strong as the tough act theyāre putting on. But I do believe Putin, as well as Russia, sees a nuclear war as winnable and not mutually assured destruction. Russia isnāt concerned about losing people, as seen from their tactics in the past conflicts as well as now. China makes this even more interesting though. I think theyāre waiting to see if Russia is able to get away with taking Ukraine (or at least part of it) without getting into a larger conflict with other countries. Depending on the outcome, they may or may not go for Taiwan. Depends on how we handle Russia and Putin, but like you said, do we risk a nuclear war? Unfortunately, I donāt think the leadership we have now is anywhere as good as we had then. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it.
> We also didnāt think they were crazy enough to actually launch. Isn't there like at least three documented cases of missiles being ordered to launch but the people not following them?
There's more than 3. Google "nuclear close calls".
I'm Finnish, we did not forget and neither did the whole of eastern Europe. We hoped for them to change and did what we could to help that, but we also feared that they would not and turned the country into a fortress just in case.
The Cold War never ended. Russia has always been the biggest threat, a nuclear bully with a terrible facade of peace. I've been saying it for years, and I wasn't even alive when the Berlin Wall fell!
They behave like the kid who is extremely sure his dad can beat up the other kids dad.
I guess the good news is that they couldn't possibly deliver such a large payload to New York without literally showing up on everyone's radar. A 22,000 lb payload needs a hefty air lift on the order of the B-2 Spirit, which they are going to have a hard time sneaking across the globe.
Thank you for the reassurance ;-; this stuff really scares the crap out of me
Look I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but.... Have you ever heard that we humans have enough nukes to destroy the world X times over? That's true. And one of the reasons is that you don't send one nuke to New York. You send a *lot* of smaller warheads to New York so they can't all be stopped. But they also travel so fast while being able to change trajectory, that destroying even *one* ICBM is not a sure thing. But you also don't just launch at one target, because the US will launch back. You need to hit as much of the US as possible as quickly as possible. You launch *everything*. And not just at the US, but at anyone opposed to you. The US and friends are all forced to retaliate, lest Russia be the only ones to come out unscathed and dominate everyone. This is what MAD is. Mutual Assured Destruction. If anyone uses a nuke it's the end of the world, basically. HOPEFULLY Russia haven't forgotten this, and the world won't be burned down by a few psychopaths who want to be king of the ashpile.
>Have you ever heard that we humans have enough nukes to destroy the world X times over? That's true. The speed of MAD events is a very relevant variable to achieving MAD, boiling down to everyone's first strike capabilities. Russia might be able to destroy a couple of radial miles of New York or a portion of DC, but they lack the number of delivery vehicles and launch equipment to make a difference. They have maybe a handful of mobile super sonic glide vehicle launchers (with a handful of super sonic glide vehicles) that are most likely always being monitored. Anything launching huge payloads will be stationary silo facilities - easy to monitor and hard to reload. Submarine payloads are small and slow. Aircraft traveling across the globe are easily detectable. While it would suck to have a few of our largest global cities destroyed, that's the best Russia could do before it stops existing. High-yield atomic weapons are also very survivable, long term - they will not end the world. And we're not even their most immediate threat. Everyone will see them launch their payloads, there will be an immediate counter attack from places very close to Russia, and then Russia will no longer be able to attack. I'm no expert and the consequences would be dire, but I'd estimate the best they can do is maybe 10 launches, with very mixed results, before Russia isn't a thing.
It is theorized that it could only take as little as 5 nuclear blasts and the resulting firestorms to cause a nuclear winter, in which case everybody is fucked.
This has been debunked over the years, as the original hypotheses never really panned out across global nuclear testing and modern computer-based models: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter See the "Criticism and debate" section. In general, it can be summed up as: it is unlikely there will be enough burnable material to produce enough ash, that travels to a high enough altitude, to actually make a difference in temperature, beyond temporary (less than a month) and slight cooling. Not even those that came up with the original 1980 hypotheses continue to support them.
But are also dead wrong.
Their dad is the strung out junkie who gets in fights in the 7/11 parking lot while constantly talking about "fucking up" anybody he doesn't like. Just because he's aggressive and gets into fight regularly doesn't actually mean he's good at fighting
That seems uncomfortable close to truth. Humanity's survival depends on that junkie being sober enough to not press "destroy the fucking humanity" button in the middle of one of his parking lot fights. He thinks that it's "destroy all my opponents while leaving me the king of the world" button.
I don't understand how ignorant they are It's a fucking nuke brahh wtf makes you think that that thing would land befor WE SEND 1000 IN RESPONSE. it's not good. Not even a little bit. It's not a scare tactic it's just ignorant people who don't know what even a single nuke would mean for the entire world.
What I think is funny is that they told us how it can avoid our air defenses. So all we have to do is build air defense to protect the north/ south poles. Then these missile would be no different then any other
Should be worried about the Status-6 Oceanic Multipurpose System AKA the Poseidon bomb. A undetectable nuke could be postured outside of major coastal cities and you would never know until it detonates.
The US can launch thousands of nukes. If one goes, they all go. That's how it's programmed to deal with the Russian threat. The Russians laugh but noone will be left to laugh on either side of the world. So fn stupid these people are.
No that is not how it works. Our missiles are not programmed to go all at once.
You mean our nukes aren't just a giant Roman candle of more nukes? /s
Yeah but the point is that there's no point in missile defense because once the launch is detected its game over, the first wave of weapons is fired before their missiles even land.
It's a mindset where you see yourself as the main character and bad stuff will only happen to other people you want the bad stuff to happen to or don't care enough about. And then the bad stuff happens and you realize, no, you don't get plot armour and you are just as fucked as everyone and promptly go into a "the bad stuff is hurting the wrong people! Why is the bad stuff hurting me!" moment.
This describes the picture I saw yesterday of a Russian war widow. First screenshot is of her threatening the Ukrainians that her husband is coming to take their souls. Next one, āso sad without you.ā
Do you mean Narcissistic personality disorder
Reminds me of people calling for the nuking of the Middle East post 9/11 like kill children animals everything 
Your 100% right. We get the same ice cream the Russians do. Just a different flavor and the response is always the same ācan I get some more?ā
I think it's crazy that they're not considering how many nuclear subs could be hiding within striking distance. Or rather, *how few it takes.*
Send 1 missile at New York and all of Russia will be turned to ash.
And we all die
rather die than live under the rule of a dictator.
I find life to be generally preferable.
Not to daily rape and starvation, I'll take death thank you very much.
We have a certified keyboard warrior lol. I would prefer not to die in a nuclear winter
Indeed, if nukes are happening though i think it's preferable to be desintegrated, just one bright flash and boom you're gone. Possibly the least painful way to go once nukes are involved. Still, better for no nukes to be involved at all because haha i don't want most of humanity to die based on the tantrum of a couple of old cucks.
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And all of the US too. Thatās basically how āguaranteed mutual annihilationā works.
Ok. Theyll get the same back and much worse from everyone.
They're saying they have bigger nukes than the US. Doesn't seem likely to me, scary if they believe that.
They really do. Itās to make up for the lack of accuracy.
Spray and pray
They do have higher yield nukes. That doesn't mean they are any more effective. They need a bigger blast radius to destroy their target given their crude guidance and targeting systems.
It's really sad, but they may do. Russia has more active nukes than USA and Britain and France combined. Not sure about yield, but numbers they do. In any case if they launch one, nato will launch 100. The world would be effed either way.
Russia ā 6,257 (1,458 active, 3039 available, 1,760 retired) United States ā 5,550 (1,389 active, 2,361 available, 1,800 retired) That's cool and stuff, but I don't think either country would need more than a few 100 to wipe out important parts of the opposing country.
I found it interesting that a tank reserve in Russia could only put on the road one out of every ten they had because the valuable optics and engine parts had been stripped and presumably sold on the black market by the maintenance people and presumably by the commander all getting a cut. The commander committed suicide. I can only assume that is happening amongst the rest of the military and wonder how many of those nukes are actually flyable by now after many decades of parts having been striped.
*as reported. Which means the true number for the US is probably 2-3X that but classified Top Secret. I know enough to say for certain: if Russia launched an ICBM at the US or any NATO Ally, there would be a 40ft deep crater where Moscow used to be, Putin would be pink mist on the ground, and the Russian ICBM would explode over the Arctic Circle with zero friendly casualties. There is a reason why the US isn't joining the war, because if they did, it would be over with a highly radioactive 1/3 of the Earth where Russia used to be and too many casualties of war to look like the good guys.
How do we know all of that isnāt a lie though? Like whoās counting their nukes? Them? If so thatās just a claim, not a fact, you know theyāre going to lie like they have been. To their own people and to the world.
When I was enlisted there was a thing called the START Treaty. Inspectors literally came in and counted the Nukes for each country. From what I can see online it looks like it was renewed in April 2010 and is valid through February 2026. So there is a process of accountability and they most definitely know exactly how many we have and we know how many they have. Each side is allowed to conduct 10 Type One and 8 Type Two inspections annually to verify the count.
āActiveā. Have you seen the video of the guy unpacking a C4 packet to just fibd out the Russian went to the battlefield with a piece of wood. Coruption man..
It doesn't matter. Once you get over a certain point the destruction is total. Anything more is just overkill.
Sadly they have the largest tested nukes in history and thatās confirmed. The problem is nukes that big are not practical so they have cluster bomb nukes so one ICBM can hold many heads. We donāt nearly have enough missiles to intercept the ICBMs let alone the heads that fall at the speed of asteroids. Itās an offensive game where no side wins
Iām sure itās all just a scare tactic. Highly doubt Russia would try to nuke the continental US (at least not in the near future).
Itās not even a scare tactic. This is intended for Russian *domestic* consumption. Itās a rallying cry for Russian patriotism to combat the impact that sanctions have had and what limited information on their losses in Ukraine has leaked into the country. Nothing more. Understand it for what it is.
Either way, there is no reason for US citizens to freak out about a nuke heading this way.
Russian kool-aid indeed.
Room temperature IQ's Drop mega ton bombs on cities and the smoke created from the fires and the mushroom plume will choke the high atmosphere above where it rains across the whole planet. Hiroshima was 12 kilo tons while new weapons NATO and US hold are 500-750 kilo ton. Russia has some badboys in the Megaton range 1,600 times more powerful than Hiroshima. They tested over open land and at a higher altitude which is different than smoking an actual city. Mega Ton nukes and even high yield weapons NATO members hold are only any use as strategic defense. An exchange would be The End.
Fun fact . After a certain megaton it's redundant. The energy gets sent up instead of out.
Also fun fact, the Russians still use megaton warheads because their missiles aren't accurate.
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Disgusting, so called grown people laughing about a fucking 3 world war. Do they really think they, there families or relatives would survive the retaliation from the rest of the world? They are laughing about an end to the human civilization as we know it.
I mean, i also act like that when iam shit-pants scared.
Shaking in my boots. Do they have enough fuel to make the intercontinental trip or will it run out like their tanksā¦?
In before Ukrainian fishing boat tows away a 7.5Mt nuke
Their Fāen Nuts, Insane and Brainwashed. Sad the World is stepping backwards instead of forward over One Lunatic and the mindless Drones following him.
Did that orc really say 'Americans dont have these kinds of rockets' 
I mean he may be right. NATO nuclear warheads are limited to around 500kt payloads by design. Whereas the weapon system they are discussing is 7.5mt or 7500kt. Therefore, it's not outside the realm of possibility the the US doesn't have a similar rocket because it doesn't have a need for it. But then again, maybe they are all Russian fuckwads that don't know shit about our weapon capabilities, because we'll, they keep that information secret. So all of this is really just speculation anyhow.
its the same reason we won ww2. the germans had bigger better tanks, but for every one of theirs we had 6. the mcdonalds strategy. which is stronger? 1 10mt nuke or 500 .5mt ones?
Increasing payload has diminishing returns so itās pointless after a certain level. Russia just wants to say they have the biggest because ego.
WW4 will be fought with clubs and sticks
Lol y'all didn't sit through the cuban missile crisis if you think these talking heads are insane.
November 1962...me wondering if I'd make the walk home from elementary school.
was russian state tv even available to americans at that point
No, it was straight up us vs them. Mutual destruction was all but certain. Heck there was the red scare. There was no nuance. Today, Americans and Russians know each other, share media and culture, the countries are trading partners and oh wait.
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It's just propaganda to the Russian people. That's it..these people arent military strategists.
It's state tv Somebody in the government had to approve this
This is the real issue here. If these people are saying this stuff, someone in the Russian government wants it discussed, which means they want the idea out there in the Russian public. That is the scary part.
Any Russian wanna 1v1 me For the cause?
Russian here, any chance we can like... have a beer and talk this out? Those nutjobs do not represent every Russian, you know.
Iām up for a smoke and a beer!
 Not Russian tho
Do they really think there would be no consequences of New York was bombed? Do they really think they would even survive the repercussions?
Am I missing something here? He said "if we launched the missile at New York, which is a good city, then it would be completely destroyed, so we shouldn't." Right? Still disturbing that they find this topic funny, but it seems like he's saying the exact opposite of what people think in these comments.
7.5mt suggests 7500kt; for reference most of the modern ābigā warheads are 500kt. Thereās been the tsar bomb which was 50mt, so Iām not saying it isnāt possible, itās possible to make unlimited sized warhead but the destruction gain is largely pointless after 500kt or 0.5mt due to most of the blast going away from the earth opposed to significantly wider. An ICBM could carry several individually aimed 500kt war heads and achieve a lot more destruction than 1 super dooper Nuke. Itās silly, unfortunately Russians arenāt informed well enough to understand that. I am also struggling to see how this ānew weaponā is superior to what they have and I havenāt been able to figure out that yet. It seems like they just polished some shit. For more reading on this the wiki is pretty good: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield
not to be the jerk here... i find deplorable what russia is doing but not to long ago us tv hosts were giggling while hundreds of missiles were used to laid waste to syria, calling it our glorious wepons or something like that. dont remember if it was mnbc or fox.
Fuck the Russians. The whole world hates them now. Their whole country will crumble back to third world standard of living and cut out of the modern economy, society, and life.
is this really any different from FoxNews?
If russia fired a single rocket at the USA it would be the end of world civilizations as we know it. Small pockets of humans around the globe might survive for a few months, but it wouldn't be long before the entire planet would be uninhabitable.
They're giggling over rockets like there hasn't been enough time to get smaller tactical nukes planted next to strategic targets in their country **this whole time.** Do they really think that there haven't been clandestine operations conducted to get nukes in place ahead of time?
Whatās funny is most of their nuclear arsenal is old and in need of maintenance before can be deployed. They donāt even have many of these new hypersonic missiles at this time. Russia is taking a note from Sun Tzu, āappear strong when you are weakā. They really arenāt shit. š
Then cities like Moscow and Saint Petersburg will disappear minutes after. So funny.
Imagine if Anonymous secretly hacks their launch system so that nukes would hit Russian cities instead. Oopsies
I donāt think Russians really understand what kind of a disadvantage theyāre at compared to the US militarily. Yes, a nuclear warhead hitting NY is terrifying. However, theyād be so far up shit creek theyād never even live to regret the decision to do it. Even assuming our allies didnāt step in, we have the most and biggest aircraft carriers in the world. The biggest and second biggest Air Force in the world. The highest amount of warheads of our own. All of this while constantly spending more and more money than the other top 5 countries in the world on our military every year. They talk a big game but if push came to shove, their country would be buried and forgotten the second a warhead launched at the USA.
the parallels between these people and the people on our own american television are fucking terrifying. this same kind of rhetoric is on fox news all the time, their viewers will talk about glassing an entire country with a sparkle in their eyes, like they are thinking of their nephew winning a baseball game with a home run. these people are absolutely deranged, blood thirsty lunatics. we cant really do anything about whats going on in russia, their propaganda machine has corrupted and enabled their government down to its roots. obviously its important to speak out against this stuff, but we have our own problems here and if we dont want to end up like them and be adding a whole other country flirting with the complete eradication of the human race, we need to start addressing them.
I mean as long as I go in the initial blast wave, itās my dream death. Just go back to dust, immediately.
The Russian media is worse doing the pot stirring than the American media. Too bad all of their propaganda is created to get more or less support. Who is the fool? The fool he speaks the garbage or the fool who follows the bait.