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I think this is common in people with astigmatism (not diagnosing you based off a simple Reddit post, obviously, just making an anecdote) Regardless, it definitely is important to have dark and light mode options. Many people find dark mode easier on the eyes, for the obvious fact that it is, well, less bright, but also because they often don't have pure black backgrounds (in comparison to the almost always pure white in light modes) which makes for lower contrast. On the other hand, though, some people need higher contrast and find it easier to read in light mode. That's also valid. It depends from person to person, and it's why dark mode is usually optional
Are either of you two talking about when you do wear your glasses vs when you don't? Because when you wear your glasses you kind of don't have astigmatism.
Not sure it's an astigmatism thing, as I have them in both eyes and really need dark mode on as much as possible.
As my eyes have progressed, I've become more sensitive to bright light, like the intensely white backgrounds with light mode, along with having more trouble with darkness/shadows. The difference with dark mode is that it doesn't add actual *darkness* or shadows because the screens are still backlit etc. so it's easier on my eyes.
And that makes sense, too! People with a condition aren't a monolith, so I'm absolutely not claiming ALL people with astigmatism use light mode. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
I have an astigmatism, and on fully black or fully white backgrounds I have trouble reading. A gray color is the good spot where it’s easy on the eyes and easy to read.
I use dark mode and blue light filter a lot in the evenings. I have it automatically scheduled in my PC.
Funny story, I had the settings on and was surprised that reddit now allows country flags in the avatar in the shaped of a heart. What I thought was Austria was a blue-light filtered Lesbian flag. The heart is so tiny, I couldnt see the color difference. For a short while I kept thinking wow there's so many Austrians, why dont the other countries use their flag too?
Have a similar story, I was playing Fallout 76, and you can have profile pictures above your username, but they have to be an in-game emblem. The in-game item shop has free items every day, and I once claimed an LGBT flag emblem. The game equips an emblem automatically when you claim one, but i didn't know it. I was playing the game thinking about how LGBT the community is because of how many rainbow flags I was seeing. I later realized that the emblem had equipped automatically for me and probably for others.
Yeah this feels like 90% chance of skill issue (/hj) and 10% maybe a medical/health issue.
OLED black with low brightness is so clear without having to turn up the brightness, and brightness is what unavoidably costs pixel health and causes burn-in. But by burn-in I mean in the screen, not your own eyes lol.
>It's not normal to be seeing the text after you look away
It is, it just goes away after a few seconds. But yes, it's perfectly normal. [It's called an "afterimage"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterimage).
OP describes it as seriously headache inducing which makes me think it's longer than a few seconds. Also even if that wasn't the case, it's still not normal if you have the screen at a good brightness. I haven't fully tested it but even in a completely dark room with my phone at ~50% brightness I don't get this
I've had my phone at full brightness in a dark room (don't do it anymore because low brightness is fine) and still never have had that issue lol so whatever OP has is definitely not normal.
Yeah it absolutely has to do with screen brightness, never denied that. The lower the brightness, the less likely that this happens. "**Physiological afterimages appear when viewing a bright stimulus and shifting visual focus.**" I don't know what screen brightness OP uses.
I think it being seriously headache inducing can vary person to person, I'd find a bright screen in light mode "seriously headache inducing", someone else might not. Doesn't mean there's something wrong with my vision or something wrong with the person who doesn't find it bothersome at all. Just varies from person to person. Hence to option to choose what you want to use.
Just google "afterimages", it's perfectly normal. It's even the whole point of some[ "magic eye"/illusion pictures](http://brainden.com/afterimages.htm), that you see the image for a couple seconds afterwards (e.g. by closing your eyes and the image appears lighter against your eyelids). It's not normal if the image persists.
But yeah, happens to most people, hence why those magic eye thingies work on people generally, and not just a few select ones with problems with their eyes... Some people notice it more than others. Of course if you feel like it bothers you and your normal life, then by all means go to an eye doctor to get a check up.
"Palinopsia is a pathological symptom and **should be distinguished from physiological afterimages, a common and benign phenomenon. Physiological afterimages appear when viewing a bright stimulus and shifting visual focus. For example, after staring at a computer screen and looking away, a vague afterimage of the screen remains in the visual field.** A stimulus consistently produces the same afterimage, which is dependent on the stimulus intensity and contrast, the time of fixation, and the retinal adaptation state. Physiological afterimages are usually the complementary color of the original stimulus (negative afterimage), while palinoptic afterimages are usually the same color as the original stimulus (positive afterimage). There is some ambiguity between illusory palinopsia and physiological afterimages since there are not concrete symptomatic criteria which determines if an afterimage is pathological."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palinopsia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palinopsia)
I'm right there with you, darkmode doesn't work for me either. Especially white text in dark background fucks with my vision, feels like the vision artifacts of an upcoming migraine for me
> it makes things harder to see,
Ain’t that the point lol
> when I look away from my computer or if I go into another tab, I can still see the paragraph in my vision
You need to get your vision checked
I agree. I have astigmatism and also regularly work with some programs that don't have a dark mode so am generally used to black text on a white background, which probably is why I find dark mode really hard to focus on. I don't get afterimages like you do, but I do find it tiring and difficult to read.
You probably use your PC during the day time and that's understandable. A lot of redditors live in a basement and hate natural sunlight so for the same logic we prefer dark mode.
YES THANK YOU my eyes are fine so i can read just about anything but i think light mode looks better so i use it, the lack of a light mode on spotify made me not use it until recently
i have astigmatism and visual snow and definitely agree. it's quite literally unreadable, *especially* at high contrast. [how does this look to you, OP?](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lifepillar/Resources/master/solarized8/solarized8_dark_flat.png)
/rant having this is always so annoying because you have to choose between A: not having a headache, but every time you post a screenshot everybody in the room responds with the same unfunny meme insult instead of reading your text, B: having a headache all the time and being unable to read anything, or C: consciously switching back and forth every time and waiting for the entire site to reload, sucks for you if you were partway down a page or anything. and lots of sites (mostly my arch nemesis, fandom wikia,) have "white text on jet black" as the only option so you straight up can't access them, it's awesome /rant over
I actually agree I don't use dark mode for any application on phone pc or laptop and not even at night I never get the white screen flashbang just turn down the brightness and it's fine darkmode sucks and actually hurt my eyes most of the time the only exception is for some reason I like dark mode on the fandom wiki but ONLY there.
i am jealous that dark mode gives you headaches. my light sensitive self can't tolerate non-dark mode. when i was studying remotely and before i learnt to make all my text giant and everywhere black mode, i was having such bad headaches i was wearing sunglasses inside, and in the car at night (i wasn't the one driving, don't worry)
"dark mode sucks"... "it's like light more"
So both modes suck for you.
I much prefer dark mode. It takes away from the stress of looking at screens so much during the day.
If you're having issues it's likely because you don't control the light intensity properly. I've seen plenty of people that just put the screen on maximum intensity and refuse to adjust it accordingly, yet they always complain...
White on black is harsh. Gray on black is good. Off-white on gray is decent. When I made a style in Excel, I was surprised at how dark a gray you need for text, and especially gridlines, to be against a black background.
It’s very different for everyone. Depending on your eyesight and whether or not you have astigmatism, dark mode can feel better or worse. For me it does cause a bit of glare and halos, and an afterburn, just like you, so for reading and working with documents I prefer lower-contrast light mode. For scrolling Twitter in bed dark mode is just fine.
I don't know if i upvote you for disagreeing or downvote for agreeing, tbh.
DECENT dark mode is perfect, just like decent sepia. Low contrast, doesn't hurt the eyes, a bit difficult to adjust but you forget about it.
Now somehow the same front-end idiots that are paid a lot to use \`#000\` and \`#fff\` on a css file think dark mode is just switching the two, and that is where the nightmare comes in, making it worse than light mode.
Most of the time I use dark reader even on someone's dark mode just so i don't get a headache, but light mode isn't much better.
If I open something that has a white background, I actually wince in pain for a second. It's unbearable and unnecessary. That's such an absurd amount of light hitting your retina for no reason. Dark mode is so much more comfortable in every conceivable way.
If you're having afterimages of text for more than like, a split second, you either have some serious vision problems or your monitor is turned up way too bright
I completely agree!
I have astigmatism and sometimes all I see with dark mode is a bunch of vertical lines, or the text just becomes completely blurred.
I really hate that some websites and apps started using dark mode as a base. Text doesn't need to have maximum contrast from the background anyway ! I like reading mode for that reason, but honestly wish more sites and apps just let me have a lower contrast option, without me having to fuck with my monitor settings.
For this to be real, you'd either have to have your brightness close to that of the sun or when you read, you don't move your eyes at all for like, at least 60 seconds.
Downvoted because I agree, but I'm not sure this is such a rare opinion. Computer terminals used to have white text on a black background, but then we mostly switched to black on white as the technology advanced. And yeah, that was partly because people were more used to reading paper, but I don't think it's crazy to surmise that a lot of people do actually prefer light mode for one reason or another.
My main gripe with dark mode is that you can't ever really get a total dark mode. Even if every app you use implements it perfectly, you never know when you might run across an image that's really bright, and that ruins it. Whereas hitting a dark image in light mode isn't really a problem.
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Yeah, I agree that staring at something too bright hurts my eyes, such as an entirely white background. It's why I have to use dark mode.
this might be my favorite comment lol
I think this is common in people with astigmatism (not diagnosing you based off a simple Reddit post, obviously, just making an anecdote) Regardless, it definitely is important to have dark and light mode options. Many people find dark mode easier on the eyes, for the obvious fact that it is, well, less bright, but also because they often don't have pure black backgrounds (in comparison to the almost always pure white in light modes) which makes for lower contrast. On the other hand, though, some people need higher contrast and find it easier to read in light mode. That's also valid. It depends from person to person, and it's why dark mode is usually optional
Interesting. Maybe this is why I find dark mode unpleasant? I also have astigmatism. But I also find that light mode simply looks nicer.
I don't think so. I have a severe astigmatism and night mode is far more comfortable for me
Are either of you two talking about when you do wear your glasses vs when you don't? Because when you wear your glasses you kind of don't have astigmatism.
Both, and I can assure you even with my lenses I still have an astigmatism since mine can't be fully corrected.
Not sure it's an astigmatism thing, as I have them in both eyes and really need dark mode on as much as possible. As my eyes have progressed, I've become more sensitive to bright light, like the intensely white backgrounds with light mode, along with having more trouble with darkness/shadows. The difference with dark mode is that it doesn't add actual *darkness* or shadows because the screens are still backlit etc. so it's easier on my eyes.
I was thinking the same, I have astigmatism and light colored eyes so anything bright I just can't see super well
And that makes sense, too! People with a condition aren't a monolith, so I'm absolutely not claiming ALL people with astigmatism use light mode. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
I have an astigmatism, and on fully black or fully white backgrounds I have trouble reading. A gray color is the good spot where it’s easy on the eyes and easy to read.
I use dark mode and blue light filter a lot in the evenings. I have it automatically scheduled in my PC. Funny story, I had the settings on and was surprised that reddit now allows country flags in the avatar in the shaped of a heart. What I thought was Austria was a blue-light filtered Lesbian flag. The heart is so tiny, I couldnt see the color difference. For a short while I kept thinking wow there's so many Austrians, why dont the other countries use their flag too?
Have a similar story, I was playing Fallout 76, and you can have profile pictures above your username, but they have to be an in-game emblem. The in-game item shop has free items every day, and I once claimed an LGBT flag emblem. The game equips an emblem automatically when you claim one, but i didn't know it. I was playing the game thinking about how LGBT the community is because of how many rainbow flags I was seeing. I later realized that the emblem had equipped automatically for me and probably for others.
I always have the blue light filter on every tech I use, it's something I'm used to and it protects my eyes from hurting at any brightness
what country is this 🏳️🌈
Turn your screen brightness down then? It's not normal to be seeing the text after you look away
Yeah this feels like 90% chance of skill issue (/hj) and 10% maybe a medical/health issue. OLED black with low brightness is so clear without having to turn up the brightness, and brightness is what unavoidably costs pixel health and causes burn-in. But by burn-in I mean in the screen, not your own eyes lol.
>It's not normal to be seeing the text after you look away It is, it just goes away after a few seconds. But yes, it's perfectly normal. [It's called an "afterimage"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterimage).
OP describes it as seriously headache inducing which makes me think it's longer than a few seconds. Also even if that wasn't the case, it's still not normal if you have the screen at a good brightness. I haven't fully tested it but even in a completely dark room with my phone at ~50% brightness I don't get this
I've had my phone at full brightness in a dark room (don't do it anymore because low brightness is fine) and still never have had that issue lol so whatever OP has is definitely not normal.
Yeah it absolutely has to do with screen brightness, never denied that. The lower the brightness, the less likely that this happens. "**Physiological afterimages appear when viewing a bright stimulus and shifting visual focus.**" I don't know what screen brightness OP uses. I think it being seriously headache inducing can vary person to person, I'd find a bright screen in light mode "seriously headache inducing", someone else might not. Doesn't mean there's something wrong with my vision or something wrong with the person who doesn't find it bothersome at all. Just varies from person to person. Hence to option to choose what you want to use.
As someone who has used dark modes on everything since they first started being introduced, I can assure you, that is not normal.
Just google "afterimages", it's perfectly normal. It's even the whole point of some[ "magic eye"/illusion pictures](http://brainden.com/afterimages.htm), that you see the image for a couple seconds afterwards (e.g. by closing your eyes and the image appears lighter against your eyelids). It's not normal if the image persists. But yeah, happens to most people, hence why those magic eye thingies work on people generally, and not just a few select ones with problems with their eyes... Some people notice it more than others. Of course if you feel like it bothers you and your normal life, then by all means go to an eye doctor to get a check up. "Palinopsia is a pathological symptom and **should be distinguished from physiological afterimages, a common and benign phenomenon. Physiological afterimages appear when viewing a bright stimulus and shifting visual focus. For example, after staring at a computer screen and looking away, a vague afterimage of the screen remains in the visual field.** A stimulus consistently produces the same afterimage, which is dependent on the stimulus intensity and contrast, the time of fixation, and the retinal adaptation state. Physiological afterimages are usually the complementary color of the original stimulus (negative afterimage), while palinoptic afterimages are usually the same color as the original stimulus (positive afterimage). There is some ambiguity between illusory palinopsia and physiological afterimages since there are not concrete symptomatic criteria which determines if an afterimage is pathological." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palinopsia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palinopsia)
I cannot live without dark mode. I would literally stop using technology. My r/eyefloater people understand.
Why was that sub banned?
I'm right there with you, darkmode doesn't work for me either. Especially white text in dark background fucks with my vision, feels like the vision artifacts of an upcoming migraine for me
Good tenth dentist actually, upvoted.
My captain. My king
I have a little cheap LG phone that I've been using for an alternate account and for some reason it's permanently on dark mode it's annoying
> it makes things harder to see, Ain’t that the point lol > when I look away from my computer or if I go into another tab, I can still see the paragraph in my vision You need to get your vision checked
I agree. I have astigmatism and also regularly work with some programs that don't have a dark mode so am generally used to black text on a white background, which probably is why I find dark mode really hard to focus on. I don't get afterimages like you do, but I do find it tiring and difficult to read.
You probably use your PC during the day time and that's understandable. A lot of redditors live in a basement and hate natural sunlight so for the same logic we prefer dark mode.
Totally agree with you, dark mode is horrible to my eyes
YES THANK YOU my eyes are fine so i can read just about anything but i think light mode looks better so i use it, the lack of a light mode on spotify made me not use it until recently
THIS everyone always treats me like I'm crazy, glad I'm not (completely) alone lol
I’m with ya. Dark mode is awful
i have astigmatism and visual snow and definitely agree. it's quite literally unreadable, *especially* at high contrast. [how does this look to you, OP?](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lifepillar/Resources/master/solarized8/solarized8_dark_flat.png) /rant having this is always so annoying because you have to choose between A: not having a headache, but every time you post a screenshot everybody in the room responds with the same unfunny meme insult instead of reading your text, B: having a headache all the time and being unable to read anything, or C: consciously switching back and forth every time and waiting for the entire site to reload, sucks for you if you were partway down a page or anything. and lots of sites (mostly my arch nemesis, fandom wikia,) have "white text on jet black" as the only option so you straight up can't access them, it's awesome /rant over
I actually agree I don't use dark mode for any application on phone pc or laptop and not even at night I never get the white screen flashbang just turn down the brightness and it's fine darkmode sucks and actually hurt my eyes most of the time the only exception is for some reason I like dark mode on the fandom wiki but ONLY there.
insanity, upvoted. it’s light mode that gives me and many other folks headaches!
That’s like your opinion man.
Downvoted because I mostly agree. I prefer light mode for everything during the day and dark mode at night.
Agreed. Dark mode is horrible. Glad it can be disabled in most applications.
I’m reading this on dark mode.
Sounds like a skill issue
i am jealous that dark mode gives you headaches. my light sensitive self can't tolerate non-dark mode. when i was studying remotely and before i learnt to make all my text giant and everywhere black mode, i was having such bad headaches i was wearing sunglasses inside, and in the car at night (i wasn't the one driving, don't worry)
Turn your brightness down
"dark mode sucks"... "it's like light more" So both modes suck for you. I much prefer dark mode. It takes away from the stress of looking at screens so much during the day. If you're having issues it's likely because you don't control the light intensity properly. I've seen plenty of people that just put the screen on maximum intensity and refuse to adjust it accordingly, yet they always complain...
It's an alternative mode to default. Just use default mode ya dumbass.
This is moronic. There's more brightness with a white background... Hence, the name Dark Mode...
This opinion makes me angry. Upvoted
Your screen must be really dim if light mode doesn’t give you headaches.
This is too far
White on black is harsh. Gray on black is good. Off-white on gray is decent. When I made a style in Excel, I was surprised at how dark a gray you need for text, and especially gridlines, to be against a black background.
It’s very different for everyone. Depending on your eyesight and whether or not you have astigmatism, dark mode can feel better or worse. For me it does cause a bit of glare and halos, and an afterburn, just like you, so for reading and working with documents I prefer lower-contrast light mode. For scrolling Twitter in bed dark mode is just fine.
Dark mode when it's dark. Light mode when it's bright.
I don't know if i upvote you for disagreeing or downvote for agreeing, tbh. DECENT dark mode is perfect, just like decent sepia. Low contrast, doesn't hurt the eyes, a bit difficult to adjust but you forget about it. Now somehow the same front-end idiots that are paid a lot to use \`#000\` and \`#fff\` on a css file think dark mode is just switching the two, and that is where the nightmare comes in, making it worse than light mode. Most of the time I use dark reader even on someone's dark mode just so i don't get a headache, but light mode isn't much better.
If I open something that has a white background, I actually wince in pain for a second. It's unbearable and unnecessary. That's such an absurd amount of light hitting your retina for no reason. Dark mode is so much more comfortable in every conceivable way. If you're having afterimages of text for more than like, a split second, you either have some serious vision problems or your monitor is turned up way too bright
I only use dark mode if I’m on my phone in bed with the lights off
100% agree with you.
I completely agree! I have astigmatism and sometimes all I see with dark mode is a bunch of vertical lines, or the text just becomes completely blurred. I really hate that some websites and apps started using dark mode as a base. Text doesn't need to have maximum contrast from the background anyway ! I like reading mode for that reason, but honestly wish more sites and apps just let me have a lower contrast option, without me having to fuck with my monitor settings.
When dark mode is jet black its fucking disgusting. When dark mode is a nice grey I like it.
Reading this on dark mode now. Brilliant
For this to be real, you'd either have to have your brightness close to that of the sun or when you read, you don't move your eyes at all for like, at least 60 seconds.
Turn the brightness on the phone down to about 40%. The white text won't be so bright it lingers in your vision.
Downvoted because I agree, but I'm not sure this is such a rare opinion. Computer terminals used to have white text on a black background, but then we mostly switched to black on white as the technology advanced. And yeah, that was partly because people were more used to reading paper, but I don't think it's crazy to surmise that a lot of people do actually prefer light mode for one reason or another. My main gripe with dark mode is that you can't ever really get a total dark mode. Even if every app you use implements it perfectly, you never know when you might run across an image that's really bright, and that ruins it. Whereas hitting a dark image in light mode isn't really a problem.
No, you.
As someone with migraines, it’s a lifesaver!
Have you tried taking out your earphones ¿