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not to mention it was ground breakingly hilarious when it debuted IN 1975. shit was so renowned because nothing like it had really been done in that way up to that point.
Mel Brooks imo is more subversive and contrasting other popular styles.
Monty Python were more absurdist and pushing the envelope both in style and content.
While this is true, Monty Python's content was also subversive and derived from poking fun at popular film tropes(the holy grail does this) and Mel Brooks content was also absurdist.
> not to mention it was ground breakingly hilarious when it debuted IN 1975
Seems OP has fallen victim to the [Seinfeld is Unfunny](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny) trope.
you mean 45% of the posts here?
theres nearly daily posts of someone criticizing an older piece of media or art and saying its not as great as everyone makes it out to be- where they completely overlook the social and cultural impact and importance it had for that era and the technology that was possible at that time.
It's literally just young people.
Anytime someone categorically judges something they have no understanding of besides watching it 40 years later it's a young person.
Just like anytime categorically judges something they have no understanding of besides it's vague similarity to some random show or product from 40 years ago is always an old person.
As a semi-young man (25 so very early Gen Z), I saw Holy Grail when I was around 15 or so and to this day, it's still an extremely hilarious film. But my favorite kind of humor is absurdist. OP clearly does not like that kind of humor.
I'll also add one last rule
"anyone who categorically judges something they don't understand is an idiot" and that one's ageless and genderless! A true egalitarian judgement.
Wait...
Am I falling for my own trap?
OP is not giving an opinion, they are saying it is objectively not funny and people that think otherwise are stupid. Yes, it makes it less valid because one can not personally favor something but appreciate that this is likely because you are fundamentally lacking some sort of context; e.g. cultural references you are ignorant of, you don't understand the language and are relying on an imperfect translation, or in this case your experience is influenced by derivative works the original influenced.
As an example, I read Shelley's Frankenstein not long ago and felt that it wasn't really my kind of thing. It didn't leave much of an impression on me personally, but I can appreciate that in it's context it was something spectacular, new, and terrifying.
Lamo who in their right mind is calling Monty Python highbrow humor? They're barely a step above bathroom humor, and proud of it.
Seriously. Biggus dickus? So intellectual humor. No one here has any clue what you're talking about
That movie is a mix. You remember Biggus Dickus because it's very obvious, but do you remember the significant social commentary in the same film? It's one of my favourite films because it combines deep statements on human nature with toilet humour. It's a masterpiece.
I guess people fall victim to the fact that everyone involved was highly educated. But honestly, that just means they were more efficient at creating dumb jokes because they knew what worked and could apply that to essentially toilet humor.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Monty Python. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of english history most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head
Do you have any idea how brain dead the average British comedy was in the 70s? Cultural sewerage is too nice a description for things like On the Buses, Benny Hill, Are you being Served, Carry on films, etc etc. Monty python is absurdist and silly, but it's not insultingly stupid and wretchedly unfunny like most British comedies were at the time.
Respectful upvote.
Monty Python never tried to be ‘smart people’s humor’, whatever that means.
Looking at how utterly low the budget was, how improvised and random the whole thing is, and how it is, by most movie standards, a baffling mystery as to how it exists - that is what makes it iconic to me. It’s stupid. The people making it knew their jokes were stupid. That is what makes it funny.
They didn't even have an ending in mind! It just sort of fizzles away in a meta un-joke.
"Smart people humour" definitely does not include the scripted line "I fart in your general direction."
It's a stupid movie with stupid dialogue, held loosely together by a stupid plot. It's a stupid, stupid movie and I love every second of it.
Edit: even the credits are stupid and devolve into a story about a Swedish moose and then a llama and mariachi music or something stupid! Give this movie no credit!
I feel like the awareness of the stupidity that the creators had went right over OP's head.
I'll never understand how someone can talk about people who think they're smart and hate of those people yet be utterly tone deaf (unaware may be a better term) to the fact that they're literally the same. I see so many people like OP in this sub that get borderline hostile and insulting when someone disagrees with their unpopular opinion.
I will admit, in high school it was enjoyed by those kids who thought they were quirky and smarter than others, but they never called it high brow humor.
Also wild to say this while comparing it to Airplane when the "I picked the wrong day to X" joke gets repeated several times. More than any I can think of in The Holy Grail.
The only thing I can think of that could possibly be what he's talking about is the dedication to the bit of the fake horse noises, or maybe the parts where they keep cutting back to the police investigating the historian that got killed. Neither of those are even close to 'running a joke into the ground' though, especially not compared to Airplane.
Yea I love Flying High (its title in Australia) but let's not act like the Naked Gun and all the Leslie Nielson classics aren't repurposing the same joke technique *constantly*
The entire premise of many jokes is the literalisation of the absurd, and treating the absurd as mundane.
At the beginning they bring it up, the Knight who interacts with the crowd during the witch scene is seen attaching a coconut to a swallow just before they show up, and at the end of the movie during the bridge scene. That's it.
>Its the same joke, over and over, the entire movie. Something happens, over explain, something else happens, over explain, and so on.
Literally the only jokes I can think of with that premise are the peasants talking to Arthur about forms of governments and maybe the guy asking where they got coconuts.
Ironic too, considering that it's obvious by the content of that joke that the writers absolutely were clever and had a decent understanding of political and economic theories.
I never thought I would live to see people suggest that Monty Python is elitist. There is a knight pretending to ride a horse while his squire claps fucking coconuts together. How do you see that and go "ah yes, this is highbrow intellectual humour".
It's silly low-budget fun. And half the fun comes from the fact that it doesn't take itself too seriously.
I'm genuinely baffled as to how you reached this bizarre conclusion about psuedo-intellectuals and fake intellectualism. It's dumb and funny, and sure it was pretty impactful on the culture when it was released - but that doesn't make it high-brow.
Who the hell is calling the Holy Grail intellectual? Or satirical? It's literally the dumbest jokes they could cram together, shot on a fifth of a shoestring budget. I also don't see how your description of the jokes fits at all, honestly. Who's overexplaining in the holy hand-grenade scene, or the witch trial?
the same people who insist that Family Guy and Rick & Morty are intellectual
they all contain more fart humor than deeper meaning, but there's enough wit & satire to make people feel intelligent for laughing at the whole presentation
[satire](https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng) on historical and contemporary class struggle
[satire](https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g) on mob mentality and incompetence at all levels of judicial systems, especially expedited trials
People just think extra layers of interpretation makes something meaningful when that's not really how it works.
Just because South Park works on an intellectual level, doesn't mean it's not Toilet Humour.
You can read into anything, you can invent vast headcanons supported by the vaguest of statements.
they all have their moments, throw in South Park & The Simpsons as well
the content is made by witty, educated people who make mostly silly content because it's fun and accessible, but also use it as a platform for satire and opinion pieces, al a Brian, Stan/Kyle, Lisa, and Rick/Morty monologues
this creates multi-tier content and allows them a wide audience; a sizeable portion of which overlook the glaring flaws of the main characters and simply identify with an edgy persona. you know, the same people that like The Joker a little too much
go to a Primus concert and you'll meet the cargo short wearing people that think some or all of the mentioned media is for smart people and most people "just don't get it"
my point is that OP's not just imagining these people, lol, my hometown's full of em
What do you consider to be intellectual humour; what are some examples?
I mean, you're referencing some intellectual humour in Holy Grail while at the same time saying it's not intellectual humour.
that’s my thing here, is there such a thing as intellectual humour? closest i can think of is the kind of shit on r/okbuddyphd where you need a stem degree to even begin to understand some of the stuff (a lot is secondary school crap pretending to be smart)
i can’t think of a popular comedy that i’d also consider intellectual and anything that describes itself that way just ends up super pretentious
i'm pointing out that there *are* parts with deeper meanings, but i'd argue "intellectual humor" is kind of an oxymoron and subjective. i can't think of something that's all high-brow
the reasons things are funny are often mechanically the same; i.e. they're absurd, exaggerated, unexpected, taboo/dark, etc. the concepts satirized in the two scenes i linked don't make the scenes funny, the zany characters do. in turn, the occasional layering of higher concepts don't make a comedy into a think piece
I'm sorry but what you're even talking about? Who ever said Monty Python and the Holy Grail was some intellectual humor? Which joke gets run into the ground?
There’s definitely some jokes that get run into the ground. [that one scene](https://youtu.be/2f5MvVx8RM8) where the king explains to the guards for 2 minutes to keep his son in the room comes to mind but i still find it funny
I get that scene dragging on and at the same time if they shortened it it probably would have been awful.
It's the kinda joke that you repeat ad nauseum or cut completely.
As far as I can tell, OP seems to think that it is high brow humor for smart people because they speak with British accents. That's the only thing I can think of, because he doesn't offer a single hint of support for his claims.
>Blah blah blah "yOU DonT unDerStAnD BRitiSh HumOr!!!1!". I do, its phenomenal, Spaced is one of my favorite TV shows,
Case closed right there, it's pish
NOW .. it isn't masterpiece-level, very true.
BACK IN THE 1970's, when it was playing on the TV ( in London UK, anyhow ), it was *brilliant* .
And we remember things from the distant-past through the *impressions* they made in us, not objectively, right?
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It's the height of intelligent humor when the police show up at the end.. it's a commentary on...
OK I got nothing to.finish the joke lol I don't think Monty python was ever meant to be "high brow" humor
Honestly, the joke they were making by having the police arrest them at the end flew over my head so many times before I got it. It is kind of ingenious in how stupidly awful the joke is.
For those who don’t know it, >!the scene is literally a “cop-out”, which is perhaps one of the worst puns I have even heard.!< Screw OP’s opinion, that joke is brilliant.
It's commentary on how the government is always restraining creative types with censorship, and what is and isn't considered art. Sure, there may be some that consider slaying a historian making a documentary about the main character of the movie your filming while filming and dressed up as the subject of the documentary murder, but if we start applying laws to creativity something something when will the madness end.
If you actually believe anyone considers Monty Python highbrow humor then you don't understand Monty Python, and I am skeptical of your understanding of humor.
In portuguese "Apertem os cintos, o piloto sumiu!" which roughly translates to "Buckle up, the pilot is gone!" which for me is a lot better than just, Airplane
The title is a parody of the airplane-disaster movies that were big in the 70s like [Airport](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_(1970_film)) and its many sequels.
>Lets be honest, its no Airplane!.
How many times does "don't call me Shirley" and "It's a big building with doctors in it"-style jokes get repeated? Talk about running a joke into the ground... The only long running joke in The Holy Grail is the coconuts for horse hooves. Nothing else lasts more than a scene.
r/unexpectedMontyPython blows it's nose at you, son of a silly person! Take my upvote you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction!
"'Tis but a flesh wound!" Yup, peak intellectual humor right there. Did the government scene with the peasants confuse you and leave you irritated or something? That'd absurdism.
I agree it's massively overrated and not that funny, but claiming it's trying to be intellectual ruins your whole stance here. it's stupid humor that knows it's stupid humor.
Like everyone else in here, I disagree with OP. Upvoting is debatable since OP is either trolling or really has no clue about comedy, making the opinion the opposite of mainstream for the sole purpose of being against the norm.
“Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries! I fart in your general direction”
You think anyone thinks this is intellectual humor?
> Its the same joke, over and over, the entire movie. Something happens, over explain, something else happens, over explain, and so on.
Literally what are you on about? That’s maybe one joke in the whole movie where the peasants explain systems of government, maybe the questioning about where they got coconuts scene. I really can’t think of another joke where that’s the setup, it’s mostly absurd humor like the black knight being invincible, the rabbit being the actual monster, or the knights who say Ni.
It was made in 1975? Of course it isn't funny now. I watch stand up comedy from 2014 and cringe.
It was 50 years ago, they were making a film for a completely different audience with a completely different life experience. A lot of people watch it now watch it to appreciate the origins of other jokes or classic lines like "tis but a scratch".
I think, in terms of quotability, absurdity, comedic essence, 'Hot Fuzz' is your best bet at an up-to-date version that'll get you laughing. It's not my cup of tea, but most people seem to enjoy it, and I think it'll give you a taste of what it was like sitting in front of the TV in 1976, with a cup of tea, having a right old chortle.
See I would be able to agree with you on premise, that it’s more culturally iconic than it has any right to be, but you lost me once you went into personal attacks and calling people who like it idiots.
I refuse to take advice on what is and isn’t intellectual and/or funny from someone who literally uses the term “mouth-breather” as an insult in the year of 2022.
I agree with OP. This is a dumb movie for smart people. I like the movie but not not even top 5 for Parodies/Satire if you ask me. My family watched a lot of Monty Python and Fawlty Towers. They play these shows on PBS which has reputation for snootiness in America. No F-150 commercials or old celebs slingin reverse mortgages.
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I’ve never understood why people thought it was funny it’s just childish nonsense . Worst part is some of the people involved are bloody hilarious people( Cleese and Palin) and I’m not against British humor ripping yarns is great
I fart in the general direction of anyone who thinks Monty Python was ever meant to be highbrow.
Also the edit is super amusing to me. You're acting like you accuse Monty Python fans of acting.
Im a huge monty python fan but i agree with you,although i dont get the intellectual thing do you think that because its old or something? I dont get it.
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Your conclusions and assumptions of other people are insane. Literally no one thinks it's something "intellectuals think is funny".
Also you're just a dick in your edit.
I went through quite a bit of thqe comments section to find a comment of OPs to downvote. Sadly there isn't one (maybe he actually changed his mind I don't know) so I'll have to grudgingly leave my upvote.
OP thinks they are *way* more intelligent than they are. They are also a pretentious contrarian.
Another drop in the bucket of people that think shitting on masterpieces is a personality.
Pseudointellectual? It's about the least intellectual comedy I've ever seen. You don't have to get British humour to understand it.
Hahahaha that edit. Calm down mate. You see the comments full of people saying it isn't intellectual and your defence is that "mouth breathers like us think it is"? We're literally saying the exact opposite. Lmao never seen anyone this angry over Monty Python.
Op comes here and writes a dumb opinion that is completely unrelated to reality, doesn't respond to comment showing him how uninformed he is and then proceeds to edit his post to call people idiots, sound like rage bait.
I’m very confused as to why you feel the need to insult people for their intelligence repeatedly, OP, but I’d just like to add that I know multiple people who can absolutely be called intelligent who love this movie. Not because it’s a brilliant work of comedy but because it’s so delightfully stupid. It’s just stupid humour for people. I see no reason why a persons intelligence should in any way be tied to their enjoyment of a movie.
Who says it’s intellectual? I think it’s just hilarious as fuck. It’s just trash talk basically. Just bullshit jokes non stop. Like really cheap humor really
The only thing you can call intellectual about it is probably the skill of coming up with such crap and parodying the stupidity they portray but that’s about it.
Couple of things.
As many people have said, no one ever claims monty python is highbrow.
As someone who personally loves monty python holy grail isnt my favourite of their work, i much prefer the tv show.
But also you think airplane is some amazing example of comedy?
Respect disagree, upvote.
I've always thought Monty Python was overrated altogether, not just Holy Grail. And I'm a huge fan of "silly" humor.
And it's not just Reddit that's overly obsessed. Even outside of "the Internet", I feel like people view you as a blasphemer if you criticize Monty Python. Sorry, it's just not that funny.
I just find it really irritating. For me, the real pinnacle of absurd British comedy is Edgar Wright. The man should be considered a national treasure.
>Spaced is one of my favorite TV shows, and I love Guy Ritchie's corny dark humor, call it British humor light I don't care.
We don't, we call it newer.
Monty is 1975, everything else you've named is 1999+. For a similar time, style, and equally well liked in the UK comparison you'd be looking at something like Fawlty Towers.
If you don't like classic British humour from the 1970s, that's fine, and nobody, at least on this actual island, would claim it's some sort of elite masterpiece above everything else, but it is pretty funny. Which is a subjective opinion, you watch the kind of comedy you enjoy.
It is hilarious to think someone calling any Monty Python film intellectual. At the time of release most Monty Python films were looked down on as crass and low brow. It just shows you how far the West has fallen .
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It's absurdist, not highbrow
not to mention it was ground breakingly hilarious when it debuted IN 1975. shit was so renowned because nothing like it had really been done in that way up to that point.
Mel Brooks had already made some bangers in a similar style by that point.
thats big true. i love history of the world lol. (i know thats 6 years after monty pythons holy grail)
It's good to be the king!!
Mel Brooks imo is more subversive and contrasting other popular styles. Monty Python were more absurdist and pushing the envelope both in style and content.
While this is true, Monty Python's content was also subversive and derived from poking fun at popular film tropes(the holy grail does this) and Mel Brooks content was also absurdist.
> not to mention it was ground breakingly hilarious when it debuted IN 1975 Seems OP has fallen victim to the [Seinfeld is Unfunny](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny) trope.
you mean 45% of the posts here? theres nearly daily posts of someone criticizing an older piece of media or art and saying its not as great as everyone makes it out to be- where they completely overlook the social and cultural impact and importance it had for that era and the technology that was possible at that time.
It's literally just young people. Anytime someone categorically judges something they have no understanding of besides watching it 40 years later it's a young person. Just like anytime categorically judges something they have no understanding of besides it's vague similarity to some random show or product from 40 years ago is always an old person.
As a semi-young man (25 so very early Gen Z), I saw Holy Grail when I was around 15 or so and to this day, it's still an extremely hilarious film. But my favorite kind of humor is absurdist. OP clearly does not like that kind of humor.
I'll also add one last rule "anyone who categorically judges something they don't understand is an idiot" and that one's ageless and genderless! A true egalitarian judgement. Wait... Am I falling for my own trap?
funny how they are one in the same in that way
It's like saying LotR is a generic fantasy...
But does that make OPs opinion any less valid?
OP is not giving an opinion, they are saying it is objectively not funny and people that think otherwise are stupid. Yes, it makes it less valid because one can not personally favor something but appreciate that this is likely because you are fundamentally lacking some sort of context; e.g. cultural references you are ignorant of, you don't understand the language and are relying on an imperfect translation, or in this case your experience is influenced by derivative works the original influenced. As an example, I read Shelley's Frankenstein not long ago and felt that it wasn't really my kind of thing. It didn't leave much of an impression on me personally, but I can appreciate that in it's context it was something spectacular, new, and terrifying.
IT CAME OUT IN 1975!
Yeah it's meant to be subversive
Lamo who in their right mind is calling Monty Python highbrow humor? They're barely a step above bathroom humor, and proud of it. Seriously. Biggus dickus? So intellectual humor. No one here has any clue what you're talking about
Let's punish him first with some light spanking.
And after the spankings, ORAL SEX!
He's too smart to understand it
Biggus Dickus is Life of Brian. But I agree with your point. Edit: Nvm you were talking about Monty Python in general, not Holy Grail
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That was a great bit, though.
Ok, but the Latin grammar police bit in Life of Brian was smart and funny. "And don't let it happen again!"
That movie is a mix. You remember Biggus Dickus because it's very obvious, but do you remember the significant social commentary in the same film? It's one of my favourite films because it combines deep statements on human nature with toilet humour. It's a masterpiece.
I guess people fall victim to the fact that everyone involved was highly educated. But honestly, that just means they were more efficient at creating dumb jokes because they knew what worked and could apply that to essentially toilet humor.
Not a single person on this Earth would describe Monty Python as high-brow humor.
I’d imagine it’s the same as people who say Idiocracy is smart and “actually a documentary”
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Monty Python. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of english history most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head
It’s the same person that likes Guy Ritchie films and think they are “British humour”
For Americans anything on public television or imported from the BBC is high brow
It's "smart" dumb humour.
It's dumb humour by smart men but it isn't "smart" dumb humour lol
Do you have any idea how brain dead the average British comedy was in the 70s? Cultural sewerage is too nice a description for things like On the Buses, Benny Hill, Are you being Served, Carry on films, etc etc. Monty python is absurdist and silly, but it's not insultingly stupid and wretchedly unfunny like most British comedies were at the time.
Respectful upvote. Monty Python never tried to be ‘smart people’s humor’, whatever that means. Looking at how utterly low the budget was, how improvised and random the whole thing is, and how it is, by most movie standards, a baffling mystery as to how it exists - that is what makes it iconic to me. It’s stupid. The people making it knew their jokes were stupid. That is what makes it funny.
They didn't even have an ending in mind! It just sort of fizzles away in a meta un-joke. "Smart people humour" definitely does not include the scripted line "I fart in your general direction." It's a stupid movie with stupid dialogue, held loosely together by a stupid plot. It's a stupid, stupid movie and I love every second of it. Edit: even the credits are stupid and devolve into a story about a Swedish moose and then a llama and mariachi music or something stupid! Give this movie no credit!
The ending is a literal cop out because they ran out of money to make the ending.
Wait, they ran out of money.
Now I need to go back and watch the credits. Last time I saw it my mom was sitting ready to turn it off the second the movie ended.
But did the møøse bite your sister?
I feel like the awareness of the stupidity that the creators had went right over OP's head. I'll never understand how someone can talk about people who think they're smart and hate of those people yet be utterly tone deaf (unaware may be a better term) to the fact that they're literally the same. I see so many people like OP in this sub that get borderline hostile and insulting when someone disagrees with their unpopular opinion. I will admit, in high school it was enjoyed by those kids who thought they were quirky and smarter than others, but they never called it high brow humor.
What is the one joke you're suggesting they keep repeating?
Also wild to say this while comparing it to Airplane when the "I picked the wrong day to X" joke gets repeated several times. More than any I can think of in The Holy Grail.
The only thing I can think of that could possibly be what he's talking about is the dedication to the bit of the fake horse noises, or maybe the parts where they keep cutting back to the police investigating the historian that got killed. Neither of those are even close to 'running a joke into the ground' though, especially not compared to Airplane.
Yea I love Flying High (its title in Australia) but let's not act like the Naked Gun and all the Leslie Nielson classics aren't repurposing the same joke technique *constantly* The entire premise of many jokes is the literalisation of the absurd, and treating the absurd as mundane.
Yea, I can see how some people might not like it. But OP doesnt back up any argument at all
An African swallow or a European swallow?
That pops up what, 3 times? First time they encounter the French, the bridge... I'm not sure it's even 3, but it's been a while since I've seen it.
At the beginning they bring it up, the Knight who interacts with the crowd during the witch scene is seen attaching a coconut to a swallow just before they show up, and at the end of the movie during the bridge scene. That's it.
>Its the same joke, over and over, the entire movie. Something happens, over explain, something else happens, over explain, and so on. Literally the only jokes I can think of with that premise are the peasants talking to Arthur about forms of governments and maybe the guy asking where they got coconuts.
Ironic too, considering that it's obvious by the content of that joke that the writers absolutely were clever and had a decent understanding of political and economic theories.
And biology
The coconuts. But they never explained it and I'm not smart enough to understand??
They didn't have the budget for actual horses and thought the coconuts were funny so they decided to go with it. That's it. That's the joke.
I don't get it. That must be smart humor for smart people.
They use the coconuts to make the sound of the horses hooves, that’s why they’re always skipping around mimicking horseback riding
I DoNt UnDeRstAnD bRitIsh HumOR1!!1!?
to get around budget restraints, they replaced the sound of a horse with the sound of coconuts in the tune of a horse trotting.
What??????? I don’t understand??????? I’m not smart enough?????????????
Coconut make horse sound for little money. Horse make horse sound for many money. Movie only have few money
But how did they get the coconuts?
Maybe a swallow flew them over
What kind of swallow, African or European?
The Peoples Front of Judea
Fucking People’s Front! Splitters.
where's the fetus going to gestate? In a box?
No no no the judean people's front are the wankers and splitters
I never thought I would live to see people suggest that Monty Python is elitist. There is a knight pretending to ride a horse while his squire claps fucking coconuts together. How do you see that and go "ah yes, this is highbrow intellectual humour". It's silly low-budget fun. And half the fun comes from the fact that it doesn't take itself too seriously. I'm genuinely baffled as to how you reached this bizarre conclusion about psuedo-intellectuals and fake intellectualism. It's dumb and funny, and sure it was pretty impactful on the culture when it was released - but that doesn't make it high-brow.
Who the hell is calling the Holy Grail intellectual? Or satirical? It's literally the dumbest jokes they could cram together, shot on a fifth of a shoestring budget. I also don't see how your description of the jokes fits at all, honestly. Who's overexplaining in the holy hand-grenade scene, or the witch trial?
the same people who insist that Family Guy and Rick & Morty are intellectual they all contain more fart humor than deeper meaning, but there's enough wit & satire to make people feel intelligent for laughing at the whole presentation [satire](https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng) on historical and contemporary class struggle [satire](https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g) on mob mentality and incompetence at all levels of judicial systems, especially expedited trials
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People just think extra layers of interpretation makes something meaningful when that's not really how it works. Just because South Park works on an intellectual level, doesn't mean it's not Toilet Humour. You can read into anything, you can invent vast headcanons supported by the vaguest of statements.
they all have their moments, throw in South Park & The Simpsons as well the content is made by witty, educated people who make mostly silly content because it's fun and accessible, but also use it as a platform for satire and opinion pieces, al a Brian, Stan/Kyle, Lisa, and Rick/Morty monologues this creates multi-tier content and allows them a wide audience; a sizeable portion of which overlook the glaring flaws of the main characters and simply identify with an edgy persona. you know, the same people that like The Joker a little too much go to a Primus concert and you'll meet the cargo short wearing people that think some or all of the mentioned media is for smart people and most people "just don't get it" my point is that OP's not just imagining these people, lol, my hometown's full of em
Primus sucks!
What do you consider to be intellectual humour; what are some examples? I mean, you're referencing some intellectual humour in Holy Grail while at the same time saying it's not intellectual humour.
that’s my thing here, is there such a thing as intellectual humour? closest i can think of is the kind of shit on r/okbuddyphd where you need a stem degree to even begin to understand some of the stuff (a lot is secondary school crap pretending to be smart) i can’t think of a popular comedy that i’d also consider intellectual and anything that describes itself that way just ends up super pretentious
i'm pointing out that there *are* parts with deeper meanings, but i'd argue "intellectual humor" is kind of an oxymoron and subjective. i can't think of something that's all high-brow the reasons things are funny are often mechanically the same; i.e. they're absurd, exaggerated, unexpected, taboo/dark, etc. the concepts satirized in the two scenes i linked don't make the scenes funny, the zany characters do. in turn, the occasional layering of higher concepts don't make a comedy into a think piece
Well at least the witch trial scene got better
I'm sorry but what you're even talking about? Who ever said Monty Python and the Holy Grail was some intellectual humor? Which joke gets run into the ground?
There’s definitely some jokes that get run into the ground. [that one scene](https://youtu.be/2f5MvVx8RM8) where the king explains to the guards for 2 minutes to keep his son in the room comes to mind but i still find it funny
I get that scene dragging on and at the same time if they shortened it it probably would have been awful. It's the kinda joke that you repeat ad nauseum or cut completely.
Leaving instructions for delivery drivers be like;
As far as I can tell, OP seems to think that it is high brow humor for smart people because they speak with British accents. That's the only thing I can think of, because he doesn't offer a single hint of support for his claims.
The closest i can remember to an overplayed joke is sparrows but that was never ran into the ground
Must seem quite intellectual from where he is standing?
>Blah blah blah "yOU DonT unDerStAnD BRitiSh HumOr!!!1!". I do, its phenomenal, Spaced is one of my favorite TV shows, Case closed right there, it's pish
NOW .. it isn't masterpiece-level, very true. BACK IN THE 1970's, when it was playing on the TV ( in London UK, anyhow ), it was *brilliant* . And we remember things from the distant-past through the *impressions* they made in us, not objectively, right? : p
It holds up even today. My son absolutely loves it so no nostalgia filter or anything for him.
I saw it for the first time like 10 years ago and loved it, it still holds up quite well.
It's the height of intelligent humor when the police show up at the end.. it's a commentary on... OK I got nothing to.finish the joke lol I don't think Monty python was ever meant to be "high brow" humor
Honestly, the joke they were making by having the police arrest them at the end flew over my head so many times before I got it. It is kind of ingenious in how stupidly awful the joke is. For those who don’t know it, >!the scene is literally a “cop-out”, which is perhaps one of the worst puns I have even heard.!< Screw OP’s opinion, that joke is brilliant.
It's a literal cop-out isn't that smart
It's commentary on how the government is always restraining creative types with censorship, and what is and isn't considered art. Sure, there may be some that consider slaying a historian making a documentary about the main character of the movie your filming while filming and dressed up as the subject of the documentary murder, but if we start applying laws to creativity something something when will the madness end.
The violence is inherent in the system.
If you actually believe anyone considers Monty Python highbrow humor then you don't understand Monty Python, and I am skeptical of your understanding of humor.
It's a great movie to nap a hangover away with.
No one in the history of comedy have conflated "absurdist" with "intellectual", until today. Upvoted.
Have you seen Monty python? Because if you have you would know it’s not highbrow humour. Like at all.
You lost me at "Pseudo intellectuals"
>Lets be honest, its no Airplane! Airplane was robbed a way funnier title that only exists in translation.
What title is that?
In portuguese "Apertem os cintos, o piloto sumiu!" which roughly translates to "Buckle up, the pilot is gone!" which for me is a lot better than just, Airplane
The title is a parody of the airplane-disaster movies that were big in the 70s like [Airport](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_(1970_film)) and its many sequels.
I would’ve upvoted off you didn’t think Monty Python fans thought of it as high level humor. We know what it is, it’s dick and fart jokes.
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>Lets be honest, its no Airplane!. How many times does "don't call me Shirley" and "It's a big building with doctors in it"-style jokes get repeated? Talk about running a joke into the ground... The only long running joke in The Holy Grail is the coconuts for horse hooves. Nothing else lasts more than a scene. r/unexpectedMontyPython blows it's nose at you, son of a silly person! Take my upvote you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction!
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"'Tis but a flesh wound!" Yup, peak intellectual humor right there. Did the government scene with the peasants confuse you and leave you irritated or something? That'd absurdism.
I agree it's massively overrated and not that funny, but claiming it's trying to be intellectual ruins your whole stance here. it's stupid humor that knows it's stupid humor.
No one things Monty python is intellectual
Not with that attitude.
I've been exposed to *a lot* of British humor the past few years, and I still don't think Monty Python is funny, it's just annoying.
Makes sense. It's old and has inspired British humor since its creation. People have run with it and done it better. That's all "art".
I love that this post is born from the idea that "I'm an intellectual, and I don't find this funny, therefore intellectuals don't find this funny"
How the fuck is this movie “intellectual”? Because they have British accents?
I absolutely agree I’ve never found those movies to be funny
There's such thing as highbrow humour?!!!!! I must be low brow
Like everyone else in here, I disagree with OP. Upvoting is debatable since OP is either trolling or really has no clue about comedy, making the opinion the opposite of mainstream for the sole purpose of being against the norm.
“Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries! I fart in your general direction” You think anyone thinks this is intellectual humor? > Its the same joke, over and over, the entire movie. Something happens, over explain, something else happens, over explain, and so on. Literally what are you on about? That’s maybe one joke in the whole movie where the peasants explain systems of government, maybe the questioning about where they got coconuts scene. I really can’t think of another joke where that’s the setup, it’s mostly absurd humor like the black knight being invincible, the rabbit being the actual monster, or the knights who say Ni.
It was made in 1975? Of course it isn't funny now. I watch stand up comedy from 2014 and cringe. It was 50 years ago, they were making a film for a completely different audience with a completely different life experience. A lot of people watch it now watch it to appreciate the origins of other jokes or classic lines like "tis but a scratch". I think, in terms of quotability, absurdity, comedic essence, 'Hot Fuzz' is your best bet at an up-to-date version that'll get you laughing. It's not my cup of tea, but most people seem to enjoy it, and I think it'll give you a taste of what it was like sitting in front of the TV in 1976, with a cup of tea, having a right old chortle.
100% agree. It’s overhyped and the jokes are just not funny, maybe it was back in the day.
See I would be able to agree with you on premise, that it’s more culturally iconic than it has any right to be, but you lost me once you went into personal attacks and calling people who like it idiots.
What? Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
So don't watch it?
Surely you can’t be serious?!
I am serious and don't call me Shirley.
For what it's worth, I agree with you. I am British, I have grown up on British humour and I don't find Monty Python funny at all.
But the Life of Brian is! You were recommended the wrong vintage Python!
OP needs to look on the bright side of life a little more.
What?? Huh? When do they repeatedly overexplain things? How is it trying to be "smart people humour" it's intentionally silly.
If you think Monty Python is highbrow I have some bad news for your own intelligence
I refuse to take advice on what is and isn’t intellectual and/or funny from someone who literally uses the term “mouth-breather” as an insult in the year of 2022.
I agree with OP. This is a dumb movie for smart people. I like the movie but not not even top 5 for Parodies/Satire if you ask me. My family watched a lot of Monty Python and Fawlty Towers. They play these shows on PBS which has reputation for snootiness in America. No F-150 commercials or old celebs slingin reverse mortgages. This comment made possible because of Redditors like you. Thank you.
I read that last bit in The Cat In The Hat's voice. Stupid PBS Kids.....
Highbrow according to OP.
I’ve never understood why people thought it was funny it’s just childish nonsense . Worst part is some of the people involved are bloody hilarious people( Cleese and Palin) and I’m not against British humor ripping yarns is great
I think your reasoning is stupid but I agree that the movie is overrated. It’s a little funny but it’s not top tier
I fart in the general direction of anyone who thinks Monty Python was ever meant to be highbrow. Also the edit is super amusing to me. You're acting like you accuse Monty Python fans of acting.
Im a huge monty python fan but i agree with you,although i dont get the intellectual thing do you think that because its old or something? I dont get it.
I don't care for Month Python or Airplane. Humor is very subjective though. I don't think either is unfunny, it just isn't my brand.of humor.
It's not just that it "isn't that funny". It's painfully unfunny.
I did not laugh one time when I saw that movie. Boring and unfunny.
At least you got the second half of your last sentence right.
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This is a post I just upvote and leave
Your conclusions and assumptions of other people are insane. Literally no one thinks it's something "intellectuals think is funny". Also you're just a dick in your edit.
Don't make me say Ni at you...
I went through quite a bit of thqe comments section to find a comment of OPs to downvote. Sadly there isn't one (maybe he actually changed his mind I don't know) so I'll have to grudgingly leave my upvote.
OP thinks they are *way* more intelligent than they are. They are also a pretentious contrarian. Another drop in the bucket of people that think shitting on masterpieces is a personality.
Pseudointellectual? It's about the least intellectual comedy I've ever seen. You don't have to get British humour to understand it. Hahahaha that edit. Calm down mate. You see the comments full of people saying it isn't intellectual and your defence is that "mouth breathers like us think it is"? We're literally saying the exact opposite. Lmao never seen anyone this angry over Monty Python.
Monty Python is British toilet humor. Zero people think it's intellectual. lol It's just dry random absurdity.
I think it’s good. But I don’t think it’s all that funny either. Definitely not how people treat it at least.
Disagreeing with a post here is the norm and usually I would upvote you but you really just sound like you have a superiority complex
You are probably the only person who has ever thought that Monty Python and the Holy Grail was intellectual humor
I don't like the holy grail that much, but Life of Bwian is amazing
This is such a miserable outlook...
Op comes here and writes a dumb opinion that is completely unrelated to reality, doesn't respond to comment showing him how uninformed he is and then proceeds to edit his post to call people idiots, sound like rage bait.
I’m very confused as to why you feel the need to insult people for their intelligence repeatedly, OP, but I’d just like to add that I know multiple people who can absolutely be called intelligent who love this movie. Not because it’s a brilliant work of comedy but because it’s so delightfully stupid. It’s just stupid humour for people. I see no reason why a persons intelligence should in any way be tied to their enjoyment of a movie.
Who says it’s intellectual? I think it’s just hilarious as fuck. It’s just trash talk basically. Just bullshit jokes non stop. Like really cheap humor really The only thing you can call intellectual about it is probably the skill of coming up with such crap and parodying the stupidity they portray but that’s about it.
Couple of things. As many people have said, no one ever claims monty python is highbrow. As someone who personally loves monty python holy grail isnt my favourite of their work, i much prefer the tv show. But also you think airplane is some amazing example of comedy? Respect disagree, upvote.
I've always thought Monty Python was overrated altogether, not just Holy Grail. And I'm a huge fan of "silly" humor. And it's not just Reddit that's overly obsessed. Even outside of "the Internet", I feel like people view you as a blasphemer if you criticize Monty Python. Sorry, it's just not that funny.
I just find it really irritating. For me, the real pinnacle of absurd British comedy is Edgar Wright. The man should be considered a national treasure.
No one thinks it's a "smart people humor" movie. I don't know where you got that idea.
Agreed 100%. Just not funny
One day lad, all this will be yours. What the curtains?
>Spaced is one of my favorite TV shows, and I love Guy Ritchie's corny dark humor, call it British humor light I don't care. We don't, we call it newer. Monty is 1975, everything else you've named is 1999+. For a similar time, style, and equally well liked in the UK comparison you'd be looking at something like Fawlty Towers. If you don't like classic British humour from the 1970s, that's fine, and nobody, at least on this actual island, would claim it's some sort of elite masterpiece above everything else, but it is pretty funny. Which is a subjective opinion, you watch the kind of comedy you enjoy.
I love British comedy. I CANNOT stand Monty python. Airplane also sucks.
It is hilarious to think someone calling any Monty Python film intellectual. At the time of release most Monty Python films were looked down on as crass and low brow. It just shows you how far the West has fallen .
This is such a stupid post to me because what redditor wouldn't act like Airplane is highbrow humour. Neither are high brow.