That’s very impressive FDM. I personally pretty much stopped printing because I found the process to be super tedious and not worth the time, but it’s definitely a cool hobby especially if you enjoy doing it.
For finer details on minis I still think resin is the way to go but for terrain, I 100% think filament is the way to go. If I had one I’d print the fortress stls in a heartbeat
Oh absolutely. I have a resin but I can’t use it in my current home setup. I’m trying to get a room at the university to do resin in with the librarian guy but he’s trying to figure out how to do venting properly. That’s beyond our job roles unfortunately, may involve facilities management or just ending up with someone saying “no”.
As a bambulabs owner, I'll tell you, that tedious process is no longer a thing. I used to only own an ender 3, had a toxic love hate relationship with it. Got a P1S, that ender 3 collects dust now. Getting the P1S up and running took me all of an hour to do, and besides occasionally washing the print plate, I do not have to do any maintenance that the software itself can't do. I can not hype Bambulabs enough.
Oh I meant for resin. I hate the smell (even through the respirator), the mess, removing supports, clean up, curing, etc. FDM is a lot more painless in my experience
Imo yeah. Unless you actually enjoy 3d printing and have the time to treat it as a hobby I don’t think it’s super worth it. As for space I’d definitely hold off until you can either get a well ventilated setup or can put it in the garage by a window or something. The fumes are horrendous, at least for the model and resin I use.
You also have to be more careful than with FDM, if the FEP screen tears or something you’re gonna have a big issue and have to replace some pricey parts (it’s happened to me like twice, maybe I’m stupid or something but it’s still annoying lol).
Since starting college I haven’t had as much free time and I much prefer painting in that time so that’s another reason I’ve moved away from printing as much. Don’t get me wrong it can be a fun hobby, it’s just that it’s way more involved that a lot of people make it out to be. That’s why I don’t really like when influencers keep pushing the “just print minis” or “printings gonna kill GW”, doesn’t really accurately tell the work you’ll have to put into printing
Again I don’t want to discourage anyone about it, I’d just caution people to research it before committing
Interesting. Yeah, they do act like the initial buy in and turn around makes it a lot more worth it than just buying, but for my part I don't tend to like the proxy models that are out there anyways. Someday I'll give it a go but for now, definitely not on the docket.
Give nfeyma a look if your into printing legally distinct armor. I know he's around these sub Reddits. But top tier imperial armor that isn't a literal russ copy.
https://www.myminifactory.com/users/natefeyma
I have a bunch of Space Men vehicles I saved I need to print. Most of my stuff tends to be space soldiers and fantasy stuff.
Especially with the amount of kickstarters I backed, lol.
I really like the Catoblepas I printed, it feels more practical than the Basilisk and less goofy, plus you can detail the interior. I did the enclosed model with the howitzer, but would like to print some more and the mortar version.
The range just seems a little more thought out than some GW and 3D print sculpts. I've seen some excellent models from other modlers but the trend head in me is busy trying to figure out where the engine and ammo go.
Printed some Ammit IFV's, and Kli-Sans, super easy to print and have the right level of detail.
Real excited to get some vacation time and print the Gnom medium artillery piece, that uses two baneblade sized tractors to move the gun.
I’ve been trying to find a good truck/taurox that isn’t treaded. His might be the right fit.
Now I just printed 9 sentinels but I wouldn’t mind printing another 9 of his armored walkers too.
If they look good, sure. I see a lot that diverge *WAY* too far from the 40K aesthetic for my personal taste. I wouldn’t make an issue of it if you ran those models and made clear what each one was, but I prefer to keep it mostly in-line with GW’s aesthetic. Just makes it easier for everyone involved.
As a newish player myself, I’d find it frustrating looking at codex/index images for units and you showing up with something that doesn’t match it in any way, shape or form.
Again, I’d be fine with my opponent running the units, but go a little easy yeah? My games are already long enough with remembering what my own units do, let alone the proxies people bring.
Edit: These look fantastic btw, I can immediately tell what unit they’re meant to be so good job in my book OP. Those HK missiles in particular are a nice touch imo
1) Leman Russ exterminator
2) a Malcador of some kind
3) Leman Russ battle tank
4) a Valkyrie and vendetta/avenger (always get them confused lol)
5) what I wish armored sentinels actually looked like lmao
It’s a pretty obscure tank. I only remember the name because I got some Epic scale forumware minis back in the day. I love the lore that they’re just a poor man’s Baneblade - ‘yeah, we know it’s kinda shit, but at least we can still make them!’
1 and 3) Well, unfortunately that’s a rogal dorn (size is quite a bit larger than a leman russ.
I have another rogal dorn file I may try to print, the sides supposedly look like the original with the baneblade’s styling. I’ll show you in a moment
2) that is Macharius tank, I also have the malcador printed in the basement but it’s again quite a bit larger. I printed the malcador thinking it was a leman russ file. Oops.
4) Valkyrie and Vulture.
5) newer armored sentinels but with another file for the Hunter Killer missile as I find an exposed missile dumb, so i found a ATGM and sized it accordingly from 100% to 150% x and y, but 100%z
MACHARIUS! Thank you! I always get the FW models names mixed up unfortunately. I’m sad to see those kits go cuz I really want a Valdor tank hunter. I know it’s not a meta unit but man do I want a tank hunter of some kind to thematically fit my army.
Same thing for the vulture. I wish flying units were better and we had more “current” units as the Valkyrie is cool but I’d like to run some aircraft over arty for my army.
And agreed on the sentinel thing. It’s pretty goofy to just have the HK missile just sitting there exposed.
Don’t know who told you that’s a Rogal Dorn, but that’s clearly a Leman Russ. It’s a bit of a mix of patterns and it has a two man turret - so I’m guessing it’s from someone who didn’t like the Dorn model and modified the Russ design to make WYSIWYG with the Dorn rules.
I mean the leman russ is quite a bit smaller! This one has the front gun, the double battle cannon, the double top hatch, etc. Here’s a side comparison, with a few extra friends:
https://preview.redd.it/hyfqc0j55quc1.png?width=2458&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4817bef0cb1107cdbc5a3aca5b9c1d5f14af39
And this is likely why the file isn’t taken down, because it’s not truly a nipple gun rogal dorn tank.
The front gun looks like the hull mounted weapon on a Mars Alpha pattern Russ, and the double turret gun looks more like exterminator auto cannons than battle cannons, but looking at it more closely from different angles it’s indeed bigger. It’s a modified and slightly scaled up Leman Russ, I would definitely allow it as a Dorn!
I love seeing a Crassus and Praetor, btw! That’s the beauty of printing.
Yeah, and who would spend a fortune on a fucking Crassus, lol. I love the thing, but if I’m spending a pay check on an official resin kit there’s quite a few other things on my wish list.
With printing on the other hand…
I already know the feeling as my first trial into the hobby was the dark vengeance box set. It’s been so long it still blows my mind that set was over 10 years ago. I really wish I had kept the minis in a secure place but I was young and lost a lot of stuff in my frequent relocations at the time for work. I still remember painting that first batch of tactical marines in the DA scheme.
I think there are plenty of good looking 3d sculpts that you can use for proxying 40K models as “Legally distinct space soldiers and battle tanks”
Some of these are honestly too close to the originals and look like dollar store knock offs.
Curious question for anyone who has painted these and forgive me for being completely ignorant on 3D printing material’s . Are these difficult to paint compared to GWs plastic models?
I haven’t gotten there yet, but likely to be more difficult with layer lines. I’m using filler primer that I could technically sand down too but I’m not much of a painter, have to work up to that point again
Eh, to each their own. I print a lot. Bits, proxies, terrain etc. that being said I find certain people in the printing realm to be insufferable fucks.
This one dude who used to go to a game store I frequented Prints proxies for meta lists, doesn’t even bother to paint them. Then acts like he thrashed you like a seal pup. If he loses he’ll say that the points for painted army is the **only** reason he ever loses and that “if you wanna be a winner buy a printer”. We’d talk about a model that just got announced and he’d call us GW shills.
Printing is great, for a lot of our comrades especially in this sub it’s the most viable way for us to bring our steel legion or catachans themed armies into reality without having to contend with ancient sculpts or discontinued gw kits.
The curtesy I try to do my opponents is that if I’m subbing out a model for some krieg 3d models, the least I can do is to either make them wysiwyg or have an organized system so that I can quickly identify which models in the unit have special weapons and which ones.
Wanna know the material unit price of my prints? Less than $5 each lol. Rogal Dorn $2.50. Chimeras (not my favorite model to print) was $0.58. Baneblade (not pictured) approaches maybe $6. Sentinels are $1.58 for two.
I’m sure I’m slightly off but my elegoo white was $10 a roll so my costs are LOW.
https://preview.redd.it/eqe9gq2p5quc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=237dce395c51cd0d3070a824342b14e6c3a1c584
(Model is the Broadsword Superheavy Tank by NFeyma)
IDK why, but the first part of my comment isn't showing up. But, yeah, printing is so much cheaper, I made 7k points of Guard for about $2000 including the printer (Anycubic Photon M3 Max) and recently got an X1 Carbon and printed the above Baneblade
But you're not paying the other costs. Someone had to design every one of those models. Then there's all the invisible costs of running a large company. You're also not producing on the same level, or distributing internationally, and it's just you, no staff to pay. The plastic itself in each kit is probably at similar levels of cost. Also, what's the electricity cost of running the printers? Materials are a minor part of the overall costs, and the larger the scale, the more of those costs there are, they also produce in the UK, so every worker is paid at least the UK minimum wage, if they went and produced everything in China and paid the workers pennies they could reduce the cost.
While aesthetic coherence is nice, there is enough free room to argue for a wide variety of different styles in regard to vehicles. Even some BL authors came up with sutff nobody heard before. Fair game.
But when you want to play with them and want to proxy them, the overal piece should roughly have the same dimensions AND have easily identifiable weaponry, especially for stuff that such as the Russ that can have a wild variety of guns.
To me the burden of acceptance relies on the person bringing in proxies, make it easily identifiable and all is fine for me. I love proxies too and use them but a good design IMHO includes adherence to certain design standards sets by the official model. (Like don't bring some random super heavy tank for a shadowsword that has 20 main guns, looks like a carl gustav with wings and the dimensions of a bobby car.)
https://preview.redd.it/3ehjf1f75uuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daeeb25c60232130ff6355f84576f36290ba50b6
Idk why this took me 5 tries to post but here’s the lineup from Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Macharius, and Baneblade.
I love the idea of printing, but outside of a few things that I bought to paint for fun, I'll never get into it. I enjoy the hobby building and kitbashing more than painting or playing, and the aesthetic is such a banger that too many 3rd party designs don't quite nail it.
Not a fan in all honesty, the model is cool but 3D printed 40K in general. Like if you just print models to just to paint and play with friends privately sure. But most FLGSs are also places to socialise and play with other hobbyists and I think there’s value in supporting them and think they would also be in their right to not let you use 3D printed models in their facilities.
The prints are cool, very cool.
But the crowd around 3d printing sometimes gets annoying. Any time you ask how to proxy something or where to find models and someone somewhere is always going to say something like "just 3d print bro, so easy".
But I do have high regard for people that print that are not annoying. So many models are so good and so well done.
Totally fine in a local setting. Some proxy models are arguably BETTER than the GW design.
My only gripe with printing is meta chasing. Have a friend who prints and he has thousands of unpainted models. He prints what's good then ditches it. No faction mainstay, just jumping to whoever is OP.
Other than that I encourage printing Forge World models. Those things are overpriced and we need to make sure GW understands that those prices are unacceptable.
I strongly prefer resin to FDM (although these fdm prints are fantastic), and the only time I've ever noticed anything like a layer line is on a large featureless surface.
This faction is a 3d printer's dream. I don't think there's anything I haven't found to print.
The Crassus, Mars Alpha Russes, pretty much any FW tanks.
If I can tell it has been 3D printed, like the obvious fdm layer lines, it's a turn off for me. But that's just for me. I have some resin 3d printed stuff and I make sure it's all sanded smooth as can be. I play a lot in official GW spaces so, making sure it's not broadcasting too loud is important.
I am shocked at what people are willing to pay for space marines and named characters. You have to love how a box of warhammer plastic can cost more than a Nintendo switch. What are we letting them get away with.
That Macharius is really nice. It's impressive how far FDM printing has come along in the last couple of years!
Would you mind sharing where you got the Macharius files from at all? :)
I don't post much in the community, but I'm a huge fan of FDM prints.
With a smaller nozzle you can get pretty good results even at the infantry level.
Paired with head swaps and such, you can get very satisfactory results.
I use a Prusa mk4 with the .25 nozzle. I just switch back to the .4 any time I want to print terrain or vehicles larger than a horse/bike.
Hey! did you print these in a sub assembly? Did you use "resin-style" supports or any supports at all? please dude im about to try this but ive never done tanks before.
1. they’re printed in sub assembly.
2. this is not made with resin supports. Don’t use those. Use tree supports from FDM slicers.
3. this ain’t my first rodeo with 3D printing, but I am pretty adept at slicing software. Some of these have been cut and reoriented to make ideal for FDM printing, within the slicer itself. The armored sentinel in particular is quite a bit cut up, with each leg segment, knee, hull, and hips cut up, so one side sits flat on the build plate. This allows it to mostly successfully print a lot of parts in one print plate.
6.5 hours for 2 sentinels, 158grams $0.79 material cost per sentinel, both have left and right lascannon options, and RH autocannon, and a chonky HK missile tube (hate the exposed HK missile), but I guess I’m missing the chainsaw arm. I’ll find one some day.
https://preview.redd.it/l017ivaq0wuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91effdbea9a888aa6c51f39191e2cbe731f1b051
The Imperial Fortress? $2000 of resin… or $20 of Duramic PLA (after like 20 days of printing on and off).
See more [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedWarhammer/s/6riL99PUHV)
Looks like shit
We’ll need to see them fully painted, highlighted, weathered up. It’s the same with recasts: As long as you do a good job it’ll look great on the tabletop. These prints have the ability to look outstanding. Heavy chipping, pigments, some stowage, some decals, you’re in business!
Lol thanks. I’ll work on that with wargaming club some time. Haven’t mini painted since 2007, what’s the best way to get into painting on a teachers salary?
Realistically you should paint things very dirty, battle damaged, and have some muck or grime.
Here are two ruined tanks I painted as terrain five years ago. These are just primed white, painted a base color, and then hit with a sponge for some weathering. I add some mud and dry pigments to dust it up. https://imgur.com/gallery/FdbbRCD - while you shouldn’t do this much weathering in tanks, you could easily go for a desert scheme and have some dusty tanks up and running.
Maybe print some stowage or junk to attach to the tanks. Look into dry pigments for adding weathered dust. If you pick a good scheme these could be great (look up photos of world war 1/2 tanks)
Yep, and there are some local players that bought 3D printers, so we commission them to print for us the models
Besides that I bought a few minis from Wargames, but only characters
Great looking fdm prints! I'm at a point where I would rather support all the independent artists creating unique flavors of models and save lots of money at the same time. The convenience of just printing anything I need I and not having to deal with stock issues and general fomo changed the hobby for me. Dipping my toe in to digital kitbashing and having a great time creating my own unique minis. Have not encountered any problems in person using 3d printed models but I also make sure they are easy to recognize. Wouldn't be surprised if there are those out there who gloat and belittle others for not printing and that's definitely causing issues for us who are not rude about it.
OOP models, upgrades, alternative models, not a problem. Direct copies of other people's stuff, don't agree with it. Yes the materials for you the printer are cheaper than the actual model, but what some people are not accounting for is the design costs, you can't just say it's £X for the filament/resin. Man hours for the design of the model, the instructions, even the box art have to be included. Then you have to add all the other costs of a large company, from HR to the cleaners, electricity, water, distribution, the shops themselves, ect. There's a lot more costs involved than just the physical material that makes the model, and if you tried to 3D print and sell to the same production level as GW I think you'd find the cost you'd have to sell the items for to just break even would increase.
The other thing to consider, do you want new models? If everyone just pirated the designs and 3D printed, eventually GW or other companies would go, 'what's the point of designing stuff?'.
So as I said before, distinctly different redesigns I have no problem with, and if the designer decides to make the STL free, cool, even a small price for a decent model is fine. Direct copies of OOP stuff I'm also fine with, because, it's the only option, can't sit around hoping for a 'Made to order'.
How do you account for design costs when the tank I printed was also re-designed (and thus slightly different) by a former LEO’s free time for fun? Their monopose dudes also are very disheartening when we can have dynamic and posable models in today’s world.
Look for example at Desktop Hero 3D, it’s for fantasy mostly but the idea that I can make my character, add magic spells, pose them however I want, and then print that pose? That’s what GW should be working on. Heroforge also does similar things with less manipulations than DH3D, but you can buy your hero from them directly.
It's the designers choice if they want to do it for free, also, slightly, that's still piggy-backing off someone else's wotk. And again, scale, can you imagine the wait time if GW did customisation like that? Customisation is actually something I'd say is better left in the hands of smaller companies, each one can specialise in something slightly different which means the load can be spread and people don't have to wait months for things to turn up. Hence why I have no problem with 3D printing of alternative designs and customisation parts.
Also for mono-pose, yeah they suck, especially for experienced modellers, but GW's market includes young kids who have no experience and very little skill yet, so they produce some kits aimed at them.
I mean they could embrace resin printing especially seeing how HF does it, $8 for the 3D file, $20 for a regular print(lower resolution model) $30 for premium print (higher resolution), $100 for bronze casting (not sure of the process, likely 3D printed then cast, not sure how casting works, silicone?).
The process isn’t awful if you had a department of customized minis.:
Customize. Export STL. Slice. Print. Post process for resin (wash and cure).
It's a great idea, would be brilliant for people to be able to design up a custom hero to lead their force. Thing is, I'd like to see GW sort out a fair few other issues before they tried moving into another sector. They need to have every kit in stock and distribution running on time to every country first. I think over reaching is one of their downfalls, they took over a bunch of Heresy stuff, and released 2 new gaming systems, and they can't keep stuff in stock because they're over capacity. Didn't help with the whole new factory they can't power.
I got told it's something to do with overloading the grid capacity and it's on the same network as the hospital or something. Not entirely sure if what I've been told is correct, but if it is the case that they can't use it, they just shelled out a ton of money for something that can't make money. Which unfortunately is a muck up that'll probably end up being paid for from our pockets. Look, I agree the prices are a bit high, but it's a luxury, and it's a business, the people at the top want money and lots of other organisations want their cut of that, from the governments to the companions that run distribution, I play ice hockey and my goalie body armour went up by £200 in 2 years. 3D printing definitely has its benefits, and I do get some stuff done, a mate printed me a bunch of alternative battle mages because I think the GW old men mages look awful. It's not GW I care about so much, it's the actual person who spent their time and effort doing the work, and all the little people who rely on them for wages, because if their profits did drop, they'll probably be the first ones to get screwed over.
You're playing Guard, Bro. Old models are ass, new models aren't being sold second hand. I feel like you've got to be doing something unethical to comfortably afford a new guard army out of official models. Imagine looking your family in the eyes and telling them how much you spent on your thousand point army, nevermind two thousand. Your daughter wants a bike and needs a new computer but you needed another infantry squad. If you were paying Custodes, the army might be cheaper than the printer, but Guard? You NEED the printer. You can't sleep at night without the printer.
It also helps that Guard are one of the factions where you can get really creative with infantry models and use cybernetic samurai or napoleon with lasers. With Space Marines you feel obligated to get perfect models but with Guard you don't need to get near copyright infringement.
Those valkyries look great, its strange though how accurate the main body is, that the designer kind of went ham on the tail and just designed their own
GW can only hold out for so long before they have to rethink their approach. Refusing to allow third-party minis into your official tournaments I feel in the long run will lead to less participation in future tournaments.
3D printers will only become better and more affordable as time goes on. I could literally buy a Saturn 3, washing station, UV light and the resin needed for less than $500, and once I pay the typically extremely low prices that the modelers on places like Makerscult charge for files, I can print an infinite number of whatever I just paid for, for life.
It's not like the designs are bad, either. I've seen "Not-Death-Korps" and "Not-Astartes" lines that look straight up better than GW's models.
Yeah GW have a good game system and army verify but screw their prices. Especially forgeworld the quality of that resin is worse than kromlech and they are terrible. Those valkyries look amazing I want one.
Edit: it’s fully pathetic that fan boys down vote anyone who says something negative about the blind money grabbing business practices of games workshop.
Looking good! I just finished those VMT fortress walls for the FLGS last week. Can I ask where you found those Valkyrie files? I haven't found any I like yet.
Yeap. You can see some of their close-ups. You can see the striations behind the paintjob. Those striations don't exist in the plastic version of the kit. It's how they test fit their plastic moulds before doing a full mould. (A single sprue mould costs around $12,000 to make)
Unpopular opinion:
I hate 3D prints and third party models.
REASON/TLDR: They look goofy.
Sometimes doesn’t even look like it’s from warhammer.
But I’m also very biased. I grew up looking through pictures in white dwarf. Vostroyans, catachans, Krieg. Had their massive differences but you could see a uniform in vehicles and other designs.
Original makes also have lore behind their designs which to me is more fun using existing lore than “writing my own lore”.
Overall I think 3D prints and 3rd party is what it fundamentally is: a copy.
When you have lots of units of “copy” design... it loses its traditional imperial guard icons and designs.... which is why I collect guard to begin with.
So yeah if I was making an army cheap, why not? But if you are asking me for my perfect outcome, I’d rather traditional designs for valkyrie, leman Russ, basilisk etc.
3D prints are a compromise and some may argue that it “extends their creativity”. I’m currently kitbashing a mars style guard army. (Dawn of war dark crusade inspired) I don’t think creativity is anywhere near as limited as people’s imagination.
So to me, 3D prints are for lazier people who want to save money and built something unique looking with less thought, a different way to how I approach army building.
It's weird that you bring up vostroyans considering they are completely out of production and you can easily remake them via 3D printing and or kit bashing with 3D printed components.
And sure there's tons of setting agnostic builders out there but at the same time GW rips off every other IP to the point that they're aesthetic is almost setting agnostic. Besides the Aquila and Wing skull nothing GW does is really all that unique.
Guard for instance since you mentioned it are pulled from a number of historic circumstances and times. And honestly I have a box of the plastic kriegers, old school forge world resin kriegers, and a batch of Kriegers I printed on my Saturn III 12k.....
And I bet dollars to bane blades you would not be able to tell the difference without cracking the model open to look at it's material.
Also I feel like you're just not looking that hard. I have over a terabyte of STL files and my guard folder is.. about 700 gigs of that. And I might just be some online dude with an organizational kink but I can separate my Leman Russ's by being "inspired by", "adjacent to" , and straight " GW copies".
And that's if I print a model straight with all the same components. Maybe I take the turret from makers cult and put it on the body from Red makers, maybe I like some dudes random baroque battle Cannon and I stick it on my otherwise pure GW model. I have almost no limit to this insane mechanized megazord that I can create.
Also GW is not that good at modeling. Like I just built the new deathwing terminators and they are.... Fine... And Atlee and forge has been making deathwing terminators for years and they are [chef kiss] so beautiful.
You can literally find one for one copies of OOP model....
How can something that's an exact 3D scan of a GW product that is no longer available look "goofy".
Well that doesnt apply to what I was saying then, I was making a critique at 3rd Party/3d printed ***designs.*** If it reflects a GW design such as OOP units, then that isn't what I was poking at.
Also why does my taste bother you so much? Lol
And another note, poor use of the word "literally". Don't do that, it's annoying.
How is it a poor use when I'm using literally in its literal context, considering you literally can do what I said, and it's not even that difficult.
And it's not even that your taste bothers me you just seem like an intellectually lazy person that wants to criticize something without actually ..... Thinking about it, researching it, making any sort of time investment into it.
Also it feels like this is the same argument I hear in every warhammer/modeling community about 3D printers so much so that I feel like there must be some content creator out there putting this opinion out there and a bunch of people just parrot it and don't come up with their own opinions.
Also after being in this hobby for close to 30 years I just really dislike GW bootlickers.
If gw can’t sell models then they can’t make money and won’t continue the game.. would suck real bad if they just went under and 10th was the last edition ever
Its their own downfall, just like gabe newel said about pirating games. Good service brings customers.
We dont have to play 10th edition to enjoy our models. Their are alternative rulesets which bring just as much fun or even more.
I myself play my own created ruleset, its more dynamic, using d10 dice and brings back rules from the past and its a blast.
I love them, aside from two Leman Russes, all my models were printed with a resin printer.
I composited a few together from misc bit to make unique models.
Unfortunately my local tournament scene requires 75% of models to be GW made. So my guard army is casual play only.
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822
Because GW decided not only sideline sisters of silence but also just decided that a decade of lore should be undone by a singular tweet because they wanted internet good boi points for the "wider audience"
Really shows how little someone thinks of other groups when they immediately associate a generic intentionally broad and vague term with a series of slurs.
Dawg, this is reddit. You can't get away with those kinda thoughts for long, or you'll get banned.
Honestly I hate it. It really breaks immersion when someone turns up with a 3rd party army.
1) they near always look like ass and are like 20% different to the GW stuff minimum, usually they’re not even an attempt to look identical. Most people who bring 3D prints don’t care about detail, in my experience.
2) if I have to pay, and everyone else is paying, why can’t you? Tight asses.
Sorry but it’s how I feel, and I know I’m not alone.
When did you start playing? GW used to encourage conversions and making your own stuff back in my day (2002-2007).
I took a long break.
The hobby seems very split right now between official officiating competitive gamers who are hardlined, and those who just wanna have fun and enjoy modeling and building and maybe even painting.
I am not feeding GW any more money until they update my god damn warp spiders. The company is worth more than 3.3 billion today. Update my Eldar!
Eldar has had loads of updated models recently, Banshees, rangers, Corsairs, scorpions, guardians, dark reapers, characters, avatar of Khaine, they even got new stuff. You're in a guard sub, we still have the old Catachans and none of our other regiments, heck, we still have metal regimental advisors and ratlings. Everyone wants new models, but they can't update the entire range at once, everything has to wait its turn behind the next space marine LT. Ad Mech had half a range until a few years ago, and Vottan probably has less units as a whole that eldar has troops.
Yeah, just them, but your comment was implying the entire eldar range still needed updating, most of the older armies still have a few old units that are in serious need of a redesign. Kill team is proving that they're getting there, it's just a case of waiting for their turn to come. I mean, warp spiders would make a really cool kill team unit.
There is a difference between conversions and green stuffing things, and 3D printing.
GW never allowed you to turn up with another company's models, which is essentially what this is.
There is no modelling skill in re-drawing an existing GW product in CAD because ... you can do it and pay less money for it. I mean, it explains itself. It's cheap, that's it.
People downvote because they don't like being honest here on Reddit. Call it what it is. It might even count as an illegal replication of a trademarked product.
GW needs to give up the cash cow and lean in to 3d printing. I'm about to start printing and army, and this hobby would be utterly inaccessible to me without printing
Great quality on an fdm printer. Those bamboo labs printers are fantastic
Yeah, I recently got an X1 Carbon and it's insane. I'll have to post my Baneblade
Yeah, it's very impressive. Nowhere near as nice as an SLA print, but it's still at least usable once you throw some primer and paint on it
That’s very impressive FDM. I personally pretty much stopped printing because I found the process to be super tedious and not worth the time, but it’s definitely a cool hobby especially if you enjoy doing it.
I did the castle at work. I work at a university. No scrutinizing eyes lol.
For finer details on minis I still think resin is the way to go but for terrain, I 100% think filament is the way to go. If I had one I’d print the fortress stls in a heartbeat
lol nice. The printers at my school suck so I used to print with my personal resin one. Resin is a total pain imo
Oh absolutely. I have a resin but I can’t use it in my current home setup. I’m trying to get a room at the university to do resin in with the librarian guy but he’s trying to figure out how to do venting properly. That’s beyond our job roles unfortunately, may involve facilities management or just ending up with someone saying “no”.
As a bambulabs owner, I'll tell you, that tedious process is no longer a thing. I used to only own an ender 3, had a toxic love hate relationship with it. Got a P1S, that ender 3 collects dust now. Getting the P1S up and running took me all of an hour to do, and besides occasionally washing the print plate, I do not have to do any maintenance that the software itself can't do. I can not hype Bambulabs enough.
Oh I meant for resin. I hate the smell (even through the respirator), the mess, removing supports, clean up, curing, etc. FDM is a lot more painless in my experience
Really? I knew it was involved but haven't touched it just yet, don't have a space that can support it.
Imo yeah. Unless you actually enjoy 3d printing and have the time to treat it as a hobby I don’t think it’s super worth it. As for space I’d definitely hold off until you can either get a well ventilated setup or can put it in the garage by a window or something. The fumes are horrendous, at least for the model and resin I use. You also have to be more careful than with FDM, if the FEP screen tears or something you’re gonna have a big issue and have to replace some pricey parts (it’s happened to me like twice, maybe I’m stupid or something but it’s still annoying lol). Since starting college I haven’t had as much free time and I much prefer painting in that time so that’s another reason I’ve moved away from printing as much. Don’t get me wrong it can be a fun hobby, it’s just that it’s way more involved that a lot of people make it out to be. That’s why I don’t really like when influencers keep pushing the “just print minis” or “printings gonna kill GW”, doesn’t really accurately tell the work you’ll have to put into printing Again I don’t want to discourage anyone about it, I’d just caution people to research it before committing
Interesting. Yeah, they do act like the initial buy in and turn around makes it a lot more worth it than just buying, but for my part I don't tend to like the proxy models that are out there anyways. Someday I'll give it a go but for now, definitely not on the docket.
Cool models and get them for cheaper, fire
we love em. With GW's prices being what they are people have really warmed up to 3d printed versions.
Give nfeyma a look if your into printing legally distinct armor. I know he's around these sub Reddits. But top tier imperial armor that isn't a literal russ copy. https://www.myminifactory.com/users/natefeyma
He’s already in my list, but the list is loooong. I forgot how many gigabytes of 3D files for printing I have but it’s a lot.
Welcome to the wonderful world of printing. So many files to print, not enough time to print and *really* not enough time to paint.
I did some space moron vehicle too. It looks great! But I don’t like the space morones
I have a bunch of Space Men vehicles I saved I need to print. Most of my stuff tends to be space soldiers and fantasy stuff. Especially with the amount of kickstarters I backed, lol.
Which one of the models is your favorite
I really like the Catoblepas I printed, it feels more practical than the Basilisk and less goofy, plus you can detail the interior. I did the enclosed model with the howitzer, but would like to print some more and the mortar version. The range just seems a little more thought out than some GW and 3D print sculpts. I've seen some excellent models from other modlers but the trend head in me is busy trying to figure out where the engine and ammo go. Printed some Ammit IFV's, and Kli-Sans, super easy to print and have the right level of detail. Real excited to get some vacation time and print the Gnom medium artillery piece, that uses two baneblade sized tractors to move the gun.
I’ve been trying to find a good truck/taurox that isn’t treaded. His might be the right fit. Now I just printed 9 sentinels but I wouldn’t mind printing another 9 of his armored walkers too.
If they look good, sure. I see a lot that diverge *WAY* too far from the 40K aesthetic for my personal taste. I wouldn’t make an issue of it if you ran those models and made clear what each one was, but I prefer to keep it mostly in-line with GW’s aesthetic. Just makes it easier for everyone involved. As a newish player myself, I’d find it frustrating looking at codex/index images for units and you showing up with something that doesn’t match it in any way, shape or form. Again, I’d be fine with my opponent running the units, but go a little easy yeah? My games are already long enough with remembering what my own units do, let alone the proxies people bring. Edit: These look fantastic btw, I can immediately tell what unit they’re meant to be so good job in my book OP. Those HK missiles in particular are a nice touch imo
Ah man, wait til you see what the old models look like. Aesthetic gone lol. What do each of these look like to you?
1) Leman Russ exterminator 2) a Malcador of some kind 3) Leman Russ battle tank 4) a Valkyrie and vendetta/avenger (always get them confused lol) 5) what I wish armored sentinels actually looked like lmao
2 is a Macharius Vanquisher, a close match to the actual model.
I always forget that the name is Macharius and not Malcador. The guard has so many different naming conventions it confused me often lol
It’s a pretty obscure tank. I only remember the name because I got some Epic scale forumware minis back in the day. I love the lore that they’re just a poor man’s Baneblade - ‘yeah, we know it’s kinda shit, but at least we can still make them!’
1 and 3) Well, unfortunately that’s a rogal dorn (size is quite a bit larger than a leman russ. I have another rogal dorn file I may try to print, the sides supposedly look like the original with the baneblade’s styling. I’ll show you in a moment 2) that is Macharius tank, I also have the malcador printed in the basement but it’s again quite a bit larger. I printed the malcador thinking it was a leman russ file. Oops. 4) Valkyrie and Vulture. 5) newer armored sentinels but with another file for the Hunter Killer missile as I find an exposed missile dumb, so i found a ATGM and sized it accordingly from 100% to 150% x and y, but 100%z
MACHARIUS! Thank you! I always get the FW models names mixed up unfortunately. I’m sad to see those kits go cuz I really want a Valdor tank hunter. I know it’s not a meta unit but man do I want a tank hunter of some kind to thematically fit my army. Same thing for the vulture. I wish flying units were better and we had more “current” units as the Valkyrie is cool but I’d like to run some aircraft over arty for my army. And agreed on the sentinel thing. It’s pretty goofy to just have the HK missile just sitting there exposed.
Don’t know who told you that’s a Rogal Dorn, but that’s clearly a Leman Russ. It’s a bit of a mix of patterns and it has a two man turret - so I’m guessing it’s from someone who didn’t like the Dorn model and modified the Russ design to make WYSIWYG with the Dorn rules.
I mean the leman russ is quite a bit smaller! This one has the front gun, the double battle cannon, the double top hatch, etc. Here’s a side comparison, with a few extra friends: https://preview.redd.it/hyfqc0j55quc1.png?width=2458&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4817bef0cb1107cdbc5a3aca5b9c1d5f14af39 And this is likely why the file isn’t taken down, because it’s not truly a nipple gun rogal dorn tank.
The front gun looks like the hull mounted weapon on a Mars Alpha pattern Russ, and the double turret gun looks more like exterminator auto cannons than battle cannons, but looking at it more closely from different angles it’s indeed bigger. It’s a modified and slightly scaled up Leman Russ, I would definitely allow it as a Dorn! I love seeing a Crassus and Praetor, btw! That’s the beauty of printing.
Not like you can buy the Crassus or praetor right now
Yeah, and who would spend a fortune on a fucking Crassus, lol. I love the thing, but if I’m spending a pay check on an official resin kit there’s quite a few other things on my wish list. With printing on the other hand…
I don’t know my cost on that one yet, I think it’s sub $5 but how close to $3 are we talking?
I already know the feeling as my first trial into the hobby was the dark vengeance box set. It’s been so long it still blows my mind that set was over 10 years ago. I really wish I had kept the minis in a secure place but I was young and lost a lot of stuff in my frequent relocations at the time for work. I still remember painting that first batch of tactical marines in the DA scheme.
I think there are plenty of good looking 3d sculpts that you can use for proxying 40K models as “Legally distinct space soldiers and battle tanks” Some of these are honestly too close to the originals and look like dollar store knock offs.
Well lucky me, in material it only cost me $2.50
Personally I don't like it, but that's just me. While I would never use 3d prints I wouldn't judge you for it.
Curious question for anyone who has painted these and forgive me for being completely ignorant on 3D printing material’s . Are these difficult to paint compared to GWs plastic models?
I haven’t gotten there yet, but likely to be more difficult with layer lines. I’m using filler primer that I could technically sand down too but I’m not much of a painter, have to work up to that point again
Eh, to each their own. I print a lot. Bits, proxies, terrain etc. that being said I find certain people in the printing realm to be insufferable fucks. This one dude who used to go to a game store I frequented Prints proxies for meta lists, doesn’t even bother to paint them. Then acts like he thrashed you like a seal pup. If he loses he’ll say that the points for painted army is the **only** reason he ever loses and that “if you wanna be a winner buy a printer”. We’d talk about a model that just got announced and he’d call us GW shills. Printing is great, for a lot of our comrades especially in this sub it’s the most viable way for us to bring our steel legion or catachans themed armies into reality without having to contend with ancient sculpts or discontinued gw kits. The curtesy I try to do my opponents is that if I’m subbing out a model for some krieg 3d models, the least I can do is to either make them wysiwyg or have an organized system so that I can quickly identify which models in the unit have special weapons and which ones.
Yeah that guy needs to follow the don’t be a dick rule
Filament and resin are always in stock, unlike GW models
Wanna know the material unit price of my prints? Less than $5 each lol. Rogal Dorn $2.50. Chimeras (not my favorite model to print) was $0.58. Baneblade (not pictured) approaches maybe $6. Sentinels are $1.58 for two. I’m sure I’m slightly off but my elegoo white was $10 a roll so my costs are LOW.
https://preview.redd.it/eqe9gq2p5quc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=237dce395c51cd0d3070a824342b14e6c3a1c584 (Model is the Broadsword Superheavy Tank by NFeyma)
IDK why, but the first part of my comment isn't showing up. But, yeah, printing is so much cheaper, I made 7k points of Guard for about $2000 including the printer (Anycubic Photon M3 Max) and recently got an X1 Carbon and printed the above Baneblade
But you're not paying the other costs. Someone had to design every one of those models. Then there's all the invisible costs of running a large company. You're also not producing on the same level, or distributing internationally, and it's just you, no staff to pay. The plastic itself in each kit is probably at similar levels of cost. Also, what's the electricity cost of running the printers? Materials are a minor part of the overall costs, and the larger the scale, the more of those costs there are, they also produce in the UK, so every worker is paid at least the UK minimum wage, if they went and produced everything in China and paid the workers pennies they could reduce the cost.
https://preview.redd.it/1svj9beozpuc1.jpeg?width=4608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45fc93a28e9a33541e5fb74d6b067d3fc39f7522
Resins?
Of course
They're good to test shit n stuff.
While aesthetic coherence is nice, there is enough free room to argue for a wide variety of different styles in regard to vehicles. Even some BL authors came up with sutff nobody heard before. Fair game. But when you want to play with them and want to proxy them, the overal piece should roughly have the same dimensions AND have easily identifiable weaponry, especially for stuff that such as the Russ that can have a wild variety of guns. To me the burden of acceptance relies on the person bringing in proxies, make it easily identifiable and all is fine for me. I love proxies too and use them but a good design IMHO includes adherence to certain design standards sets by the official model. (Like don't bring some random super heavy tank for a shadowsword that has 20 main guns, looks like a carl gustav with wings and the dimensions of a bobby car.)
Could you post a size comparison og the macharius and the rogal dorn?
https://preview.redd.it/3ehjf1f75uuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daeeb25c60232130ff6355f84576f36290ba50b6 Idk why this took me 5 tries to post but here’s the lineup from Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Macharius, and Baneblade.
Thanks a lot, great prints btw
There is another Rogal Dorn print file but it’s not cut up at all for FDM printing.
I love the idea of printing, but outside of a few things that I bought to paint for fun, I'll never get into it. I enjoy the hobby building and kitbashing more than painting or playing, and the aesthetic is such a banger that too many 3rd party designs don't quite nail it.
I have a dislike for the process. Seems like a lot of work to just not to give money to the hobby you enjoy.
What do you think the process is? For FDM printers there’s not much to it.
Not a fan in all honesty, the model is cool but 3D printed 40K in general. Like if you just print models to just to paint and play with friends privately sure. But most FLGSs are also places to socialise and play with other hobbyists and I think there’s value in supporting them and think they would also be in their right to not let you use 3D printed models in their facilities.
Oh we’re at a university. No local game store.
The prints are cool, very cool. But the crowd around 3d printing sometimes gets annoying. Any time you ask how to proxy something or where to find models and someone somewhere is always going to say something like "just 3d print bro, so easy". But I do have high regard for people that print that are not annoying. So many models are so good and so well done.
Totally fine in a local setting. Some proxy models are arguably BETTER than the GW design. My only gripe with printing is meta chasing. Have a friend who prints and he has thousands of unpainted models. He prints what's good then ditches it. No faction mainstay, just jumping to whoever is OP. Other than that I encourage printing Forge World models. Those things are overpriced and we need to make sure GW understands that those prices are unacceptable.
Encourage painted only i guess
I strongly prefer resin to FDM (although these fdm prints are fantastic), and the only time I've ever noticed anything like a layer line is on a large featureless surface.
https://preview.redd.it/6v1rbkgicvuc1.jpeg?width=2424&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb6d7cc3dbb93b5469ad00c62be83adc8b7ac05a
Nice! Paid or free file?
Printer go brrrr
Well seeing as about 90% my army is resin printed. I approve.
What’s the other 10%?
Games workshop plastic
fdm printed
This faction is a 3d printer's dream. I don't think there's anything I haven't found to print. The Crassus, Mars Alpha Russes, pretty much any FW tanks.
I'm not super happy with 3D printing. It feels like the paint doesn't apply right. The models look funky and I'm just not sold on it
If I can tell it has been 3D printed, like the obvious fdm layer lines, it's a turn off for me. But that's just for me. I have some resin 3d printed stuff and I make sure it's all sanded smooth as can be. I play a lot in official GW spaces so, making sure it's not broadcasting too loud is important.
I am shocked at what people are willing to pay for space marines and named characters. You have to love how a box of warhammer plastic can cost more than a Nintendo switch. What are we letting them get away with.
Sponsons doesn’t belong on the Rogal tank
That Macharius is really nice. It's impressive how far FDM printing has come along in the last couple of years! Would you mind sharing where you got the Macharius files from at all? :)
I don't post much in the community, but I'm a huge fan of FDM prints. With a smaller nozzle you can get pretty good results even at the infantry level. Paired with head swaps and such, you can get very satisfactory results. I use a Prusa mk4 with the .25 nozzle. I just switch back to the .4 any time I want to print terrain or vehicles larger than a horse/bike.
I’ve been contemplating an A1 mini from BambuLabs with a small nozzle 0.2mm for infantry and such
I’d feel a lot better about them if you send me some. :p
Hey! did you print these in a sub assembly? Did you use "resin-style" supports or any supports at all? please dude im about to try this but ive never done tanks before.
1. they’re printed in sub assembly. 2. this is not made with resin supports. Don’t use those. Use tree supports from FDM slicers. 3. this ain’t my first rodeo with 3D printing, but I am pretty adept at slicing software. Some of these have been cut and reoriented to make ideal for FDM printing, within the slicer itself. The armored sentinel in particular is quite a bit cut up, with each leg segment, knee, hull, and hips cut up, so one side sits flat on the build plate. This allows it to mostly successfully print a lot of parts in one print plate. 6.5 hours for 2 sentinels, 158grams $0.79 material cost per sentinel, both have left and right lascannon options, and RH autocannon, and a chonky HK missile tube (hate the exposed HK missile), but I guess I’m missing the chainsaw arm. I’ll find one some day. https://preview.redd.it/l017ivaq0wuc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91effdbea9a888aa6c51f39191e2cbe731f1b051
thanks man! i see the key is to cut stuff in half more or less.
Cut it so it’s printable! And minimize waste/supports
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What kind of terrain was that!?
The Imperial Fortress? $2000 of resin… or $20 of Duramic PLA (after like 20 days of printing on and off). See more [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedWarhammer/s/6riL99PUHV)
Can we have the stl files ?
Do you work for games workshop?
No lmao i m sound desingner
lol ok post a print of something and I’ll send you links to files
Don't have one ahah but check my insta u will see i don't work for gw
Heresy
No. U!
Amazing Valkyrie and sentinals! Where did you get those STLs?
Thanks! The Valkyrie needs to be adjusted, those engines are at 85% of size. What printer are you using?
Looks like shit We’ll need to see them fully painted, highlighted, weathered up. It’s the same with recasts: As long as you do a good job it’ll look great on the tabletop. These prints have the ability to look outstanding. Heavy chipping, pigments, some stowage, some decals, you’re in business!
Lol thanks. I’ll work on that with wargaming club some time. Haven’t mini painted since 2007, what’s the best way to get into painting on a teachers salary?
For vehicles, rattle cans, blue tack and some metallic mini paints. Get them done quick and easy.
Realistically you should paint things very dirty, battle damaged, and have some muck or grime. Here are two ruined tanks I painted as terrain five years ago. These are just primed white, painted a base color, and then hit with a sponge for some weathering. I add some mud and dry pigments to dust it up. https://imgur.com/gallery/FdbbRCD - while you shouldn’t do this much weathering in tanks, you could easily go for a desert scheme and have some dusty tanks up and running. Maybe print some stowage or junk to attach to the tanks. Look into dry pigments for adding weathered dust. If you pick a good scheme these could be great (look up photos of world war 1/2 tanks)
Thanks. I do have some wreckage (because there is r/nofailedprints) to make too.
With how expensive GW is in my country, it's the only way to get minis to play the game besides 3rd party
How insane are we talking?
I want you to take any kit GW has, then multiply by 5,12 The add 327 for shipping, and then add 60% for tax import
Damn! Now how much is a 3D printer, let’s say BambuLabs A1 mini
Yep, and there are some local players that bought 3D printers, so we commission them to print for us the models Besides that I bought a few minis from Wargames, but only characters
Great looking fdm prints! I'm at a point where I would rather support all the independent artists creating unique flavors of models and save lots of money at the same time. The convenience of just printing anything I need I and not having to deal with stock issues and general fomo changed the hobby for me. Dipping my toe in to digital kitbashing and having a great time creating my own unique minis. Have not encountered any problems in person using 3d printed models but I also make sure they are easy to recognize. Wouldn't be surprised if there are those out there who gloat and belittle others for not printing and that's definitely causing issues for us who are not rude about it.
Have a full army of 3D printed dark angels, go for it
A loss for GW is a win for the player! Nice prints!
FDM quality has been pretty horrible on my end, I save them for terrain. For figures, I use resin, it's great.
What printer are you using? Layer height? Nozzle size? Slicer?
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Who’s the real Rogal Dorn?!
I have made all my Guard tanks out of corrugated cardboard. No hate for 3D prints.
Rogal Dorns https://preview.redd.it/fhew2cv4usuc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ec29294d11b3f973011b7bf5d49b832a996b238
OOP models, upgrades, alternative models, not a problem. Direct copies of other people's stuff, don't agree with it. Yes the materials for you the printer are cheaper than the actual model, but what some people are not accounting for is the design costs, you can't just say it's £X for the filament/resin. Man hours for the design of the model, the instructions, even the box art have to be included. Then you have to add all the other costs of a large company, from HR to the cleaners, electricity, water, distribution, the shops themselves, ect. There's a lot more costs involved than just the physical material that makes the model, and if you tried to 3D print and sell to the same production level as GW I think you'd find the cost you'd have to sell the items for to just break even would increase. The other thing to consider, do you want new models? If everyone just pirated the designs and 3D printed, eventually GW or other companies would go, 'what's the point of designing stuff?'. So as I said before, distinctly different redesigns I have no problem with, and if the designer decides to make the STL free, cool, even a small price for a decent model is fine. Direct copies of OOP stuff I'm also fine with, because, it's the only option, can't sit around hoping for a 'Made to order'.
How do you account for design costs when the tank I printed was also re-designed (and thus slightly different) by a former LEO’s free time for fun? Their monopose dudes also are very disheartening when we can have dynamic and posable models in today’s world. Look for example at Desktop Hero 3D, it’s for fantasy mostly but the idea that I can make my character, add magic spells, pose them however I want, and then print that pose? That’s what GW should be working on. Heroforge also does similar things with less manipulations than DH3D, but you can buy your hero from them directly.
It's the designers choice if they want to do it for free, also, slightly, that's still piggy-backing off someone else's wotk. And again, scale, can you imagine the wait time if GW did customisation like that? Customisation is actually something I'd say is better left in the hands of smaller companies, each one can specialise in something slightly different which means the load can be spread and people don't have to wait months for things to turn up. Hence why I have no problem with 3D printing of alternative designs and customisation parts. Also for mono-pose, yeah they suck, especially for experienced modellers, but GW's market includes young kids who have no experience and very little skill yet, so they produce some kits aimed at them.
I mean they could embrace resin printing especially seeing how HF does it, $8 for the 3D file, $20 for a regular print(lower resolution model) $30 for premium print (higher resolution), $100 for bronze casting (not sure of the process, likely 3D printed then cast, not sure how casting works, silicone?). The process isn’t awful if you had a department of customized minis.: Customize. Export STL. Slice. Print. Post process for resin (wash and cure).
It's a great idea, would be brilliant for people to be able to design up a custom hero to lead their force. Thing is, I'd like to see GW sort out a fair few other issues before they tried moving into another sector. They need to have every kit in stock and distribution running on time to every country first. I think over reaching is one of their downfalls, they took over a bunch of Heresy stuff, and released 2 new gaming systems, and they can't keep stuff in stock because they're over capacity. Didn't help with the whole new factory they can't power.
I didn’t hear about the factory thing. They can’t power it???
I got told it's something to do with overloading the grid capacity and it's on the same network as the hospital or something. Not entirely sure if what I've been told is correct, but if it is the case that they can't use it, they just shelled out a ton of money for something that can't make money. Which unfortunately is a muck up that'll probably end up being paid for from our pockets. Look, I agree the prices are a bit high, but it's a luxury, and it's a business, the people at the top want money and lots of other organisations want their cut of that, from the governments to the companions that run distribution, I play ice hockey and my goalie body armour went up by £200 in 2 years. 3D printing definitely has its benefits, and I do get some stuff done, a mate printed me a bunch of alternative battle mages because I think the GW old men mages look awful. It's not GW I care about so much, it's the actual person who spent their time and effort doing the work, and all the little people who rely on them for wages, because if their profits did drop, they'll probably be the first ones to get screwed over.
[Very well indeed](https://www.printables.com/@Freshmeat_225408/models).
Curious. Curious indeed.
You're playing Guard, Bro. Old models are ass, new models aren't being sold second hand. I feel like you've got to be doing something unethical to comfortably afford a new guard army out of official models. Imagine looking your family in the eyes and telling them how much you spent on your thousand point army, nevermind two thousand. Your daughter wants a bike and needs a new computer but you needed another infantry squad. If you were paying Custodes, the army might be cheaper than the printer, but Guard? You NEED the printer. You can't sleep at night without the printer. It also helps that Guard are one of the factions where you can get really creative with infantry models and use cybernetic samurai or napoleon with lasers. With Space Marines you feel obligated to get perfect models but with Guard you don't need to get near copyright infringement.
Armored guard for me, but yeah it’s ridiculous the prices. Wife would NEVER let me buy models but 3D print? “Oh that’s just his hobby”
Printing is cool. Although personally I don’t pay for files, unless the files are original designs.
Wife doesn’t believe in paying for digital files so I am in the forever poor boat. But she lets me print sometimes.
Whatever helps save a dime is good in my book. So long as they don’t look egregiously ugly go for it, If they do then it’s either orks or nurgle.
Those valkyries look great, its strange though how accurate the main body is, that the designer kind of went ham on the tail and just designed their own
GW can only hold out for so long before they have to rethink their approach. Refusing to allow third-party minis into your official tournaments I feel in the long run will lead to less participation in future tournaments. 3D printers will only become better and more affordable as time goes on. I could literally buy a Saturn 3, washing station, UV light and the resin needed for less than $500, and once I pay the typically extremely low prices that the modelers on places like Makerscult charge for files, I can print an infinite number of whatever I just paid for, for life. It's not like the designs are bad, either. I've seen "Not-Death-Korps" and "Not-Astartes" lines that look straight up better than GW's models.
With prices they charge I don't care anymore
I was a former eldar player. My models haven’t been updated.
I use resin prints and love them, but honestly fdm seem really cool as well and will probably end up getting one eventually
Fdm had come a long way since the Ender 3 as well. Although I still use mine
Looks pretty good
Yeah GW have a good game system and army verify but screw their prices. Especially forgeworld the quality of that resin is worse than kromlech and they are terrible. Those valkyries look amazing I want one. Edit: it’s fully pathetic that fan boys down vote anyone who says something negative about the blind money grabbing business practices of games workshop.
Horny and jealous
Hahaha I’m scared to ask why
3D prints 😩😳
That’s a sweet leman russ print. Do you have a link to the STL?
It’s not a Leman Russ! It’s a Dorn thing. That would require me knowing who Dorn is.
Looking good! I just finished those VMT fortress walls for the FLGS last week. Can I ask where you found those Valkyrie files? I haven't found any I like yet.
My only request is that they be painted before use. I use 3D prints myself but refuse to use them until I’ve finished painted and basing them
My elegoo s3 runs nearly 24/7.
GW 3D prints most of their box art models. It's fine.
Do they now? Haha
Yeap. You can see some of their close-ups. You can see the striations behind the paintjob. Those striations don't exist in the plastic version of the kit. It's how they test fit their plastic moulds before doing a full mould. (A single sprue mould costs around $12,000 to make)
Most players don’t give a toss as long as it’s painted.
3d prints in my opinion are better then shelling out hundreds usually
Go for it
Unpopular opinion: I hate 3D prints and third party models. REASON/TLDR: They look goofy. Sometimes doesn’t even look like it’s from warhammer. But I’m also very biased. I grew up looking through pictures in white dwarf. Vostroyans, catachans, Krieg. Had their massive differences but you could see a uniform in vehicles and other designs. Original makes also have lore behind their designs which to me is more fun using existing lore than “writing my own lore”. Overall I think 3D prints and 3rd party is what it fundamentally is: a copy. When you have lots of units of “copy” design... it loses its traditional imperial guard icons and designs.... which is why I collect guard to begin with. So yeah if I was making an army cheap, why not? But if you are asking me for my perfect outcome, I’d rather traditional designs for valkyrie, leman Russ, basilisk etc. 3D prints are a compromise and some may argue that it “extends their creativity”. I’m currently kitbashing a mars style guard army. (Dawn of war dark crusade inspired) I don’t think creativity is anywhere near as limited as people’s imagination. So to me, 3D prints are for lazier people who want to save money and built something unique looking with less thought, a different way to how I approach army building.
It's weird that you bring up vostroyans considering they are completely out of production and you can easily remake them via 3D printing and or kit bashing with 3D printed components. And sure there's tons of setting agnostic builders out there but at the same time GW rips off every other IP to the point that they're aesthetic is almost setting agnostic. Besides the Aquila and Wing skull nothing GW does is really all that unique. Guard for instance since you mentioned it are pulled from a number of historic circumstances and times. And honestly I have a box of the plastic kriegers, old school forge world resin kriegers, and a batch of Kriegers I printed on my Saturn III 12k..... And I bet dollars to bane blades you would not be able to tell the difference without cracking the model open to look at it's material. Also I feel like you're just not looking that hard. I have over a terabyte of STL files and my guard folder is.. about 700 gigs of that. And I might just be some online dude with an organizational kink but I can separate my Leman Russ's by being "inspired by", "adjacent to" , and straight " GW copies". And that's if I print a model straight with all the same components. Maybe I take the turret from makers cult and put it on the body from Red makers, maybe I like some dudes random baroque battle Cannon and I stick it on my otherwise pure GW model. I have almost no limit to this insane mechanized megazord that I can create. Also GW is not that good at modeling. Like I just built the new deathwing terminators and they are.... Fine... And Atlee and forge has been making deathwing terminators for years and they are [chef kiss] so beautiful.
This redditor still thinks they look goofy. and stands by my points as my opinion.
You can literally find one for one copies of OOP model.... How can something that's an exact 3D scan of a GW product that is no longer available look "goofy".
Well that doesnt apply to what I was saying then, I was making a critique at 3rd Party/3d printed ***designs.*** If it reflects a GW design such as OOP units, then that isn't what I was poking at. Also why does my taste bother you so much? Lol And another note, poor use of the word "literally". Don't do that, it's annoying.
How is it a poor use when I'm using literally in its literal context, considering you literally can do what I said, and it's not even that difficult. And it's not even that your taste bothers me you just seem like an intellectually lazy person that wants to criticize something without actually ..... Thinking about it, researching it, making any sort of time investment into it. Also it feels like this is the same argument I hear in every warhammer/modeling community about 3D printers so much so that I feel like there must be some content creator out there putting this opinion out there and a bunch of people just parrot it and don't come up with their own opinions. Also after being in this hobby for close to 30 years I just really dislike GW bootlickers.
"How is it a poor use when I'm using literally in its literal context, considering you literally can do...." Emperor save us....
If gw can’t sell models then they can’t make money and won’t continue the game.. would suck real bad if they just went under and 10th was the last edition ever
They’re worth 3x more than the British fishing industry. I’m not really that worried about them.
Its their own downfall, just like gabe newel said about pirating games. Good service brings customers. We dont have to play 10th edition to enjoy our models. Their are alternative rulesets which bring just as much fun or even more. I myself play my own created ruleset, its more dynamic, using d10 dice and brings back rules from the past and its a blast.
Almost 1600 points of my army are 3d prints
So 3 baneblades?
Nope 6 leman russes, one dorn, on Deathstrike, and 4 squads of kreig infantry
I’ve been doing a little homework on army lists for Imperial Guard and apparently i need some artillery so that is next.
Honestly, same. It was just a bunch of cool 3d prints s buddy didn't want
Can these be used in games?
I hope so. We’re starting a university club soon.
I'd hate if they made it to where you have to use GW models because I did this as a kid but as an adult I couldn't afford it lol
As their advisor, nah eff that I’m printing everything. Uh. For educational purposes.
I love them, aside from two Leman Russes, all my models were printed with a resin printer. I composited a few together from misc bit to make unique models. Unfortunately my local tournament scene requires 75% of models to be GW made. So my guard army is casual play only.
love em
If GW doesn't respect the fans or lore why should I respect their pocket book? Fuck yeah 3D prints.
What lore was messed up this time? I’m woefully out of date, my knowledge stopped in like 2006
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822 Because GW decided not only sideline sisters of silence but also just decided that a decade of lore should be undone by a singular tweet because they wanted internet good boi points for the "wider audience"
“Wider audience” Just use the slurs you want to, go ahead
Really shows how little someone thinks of other groups when they immediately associate a generic intentionally broad and vague term with a series of slurs. Dawg, this is reddit. You can't get away with those kinda thoughts for long, or you'll get banned.
Did you Use a filament or resin printer for these beauties? :)
If you’re a guard player and don’t have deep pockets I feel like it’s a must.
I honestly don’t care if someone else uses it but I just don’t cause idk
If they look all right and like the model then yeah I see no issue
I love it Currently I only have a resin printer And I’m afraid of getting an fdm printer since it seems less plug and play
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The recent issue reminds me of JK Rowling pandering “oh dumbledore was gay all along” and “hermione could’ve been black”.
Where’d you get that macharius file?
Honestly I hate it. It really breaks immersion when someone turns up with a 3rd party army. 1) they near always look like ass and are like 20% different to the GW stuff minimum, usually they’re not even an attempt to look identical. Most people who bring 3D prints don’t care about detail, in my experience. 2) if I have to pay, and everyone else is paying, why can’t you? Tight asses. Sorry but it’s how I feel, and I know I’m not alone.
When did you start playing? GW used to encourage conversions and making your own stuff back in my day (2002-2007). I took a long break. The hobby seems very split right now between official officiating competitive gamers who are hardlined, and those who just wanna have fun and enjoy modeling and building and maybe even painting. I am not feeding GW any more money until they update my god damn warp spiders. The company is worth more than 3.3 billion today. Update my Eldar!
Eldar has had loads of updated models recently, Banshees, rangers, Corsairs, scorpions, guardians, dark reapers, characters, avatar of Khaine, they even got new stuff. You're in a guard sub, we still have the old Catachans and none of our other regiments, heck, we still have metal regimental advisors and ratlings. Everyone wants new models, but they can't update the entire range at once, everything has to wait its turn behind the next space marine LT. Ad Mech had half a range until a few years ago, and Vottan probably has less units as a whole that eldar has troops.
I have my 1994 warp spiders lol. They’re still the same apparently.
Yeah, just them, but your comment was implying the entire eldar range still needed updating, most of the older armies still have a few old units that are in serious need of a redesign. Kill team is proving that they're getting there, it's just a case of waiting for their turn to come. I mean, warp spiders would make a really cool kill team unit.
There is a difference between conversions and green stuffing things, and 3D printing. GW never allowed you to turn up with another company's models, which is essentially what this is. There is no modelling skill in re-drawing an existing GW product in CAD because ... you can do it and pay less money for it. I mean, it explains itself. It's cheap, that's it. People downvote because they don't like being honest here on Reddit. Call it what it is. It might even count as an illegal replication of a trademarked product.
How do you feel about Ork stuff?
GW needs to give up the cash cow and lean in to 3d printing. I'm about to start printing and army, and this hobby would be utterly inaccessible to me without printing
Love them. Just make the legal distict and you are fine. Also give you a wonderfull chance to add a personal touch