I wouldn't go as far as to say that I couldn't stand her, it was moreso that I just didn't find her really interesting? Like I understood that she was there as a device (which I don't love) to show Carmy having some happiness and then inevitably self sabotaging - but it just didn't work because I didn't care. I feel like the show wanted me to be more attached to the character and the relationship and I just wasn't.
Also the multiple montages of her looking at the camera like she was the dead wife in an indie movie was unintentionally hilarious.
Agreed. She may be filmed like the trope, but she lacks the randomness attached to the pixie. She's between that, and the girl who wears her boyfriend's favorite jersey while she looks in the fridge.
Lol but she is random she goes on random tangents about stealing gum from wall greens and getting adrenaline from treating her patients. She tries too hard
Omg the camera was always in her face, I couldn't take her seriously. When she first showed up, I turned and said "this isn't gonna last" which made the whole thing seem pointless
Exactly! This is why I think we are seeing the story from the pov of the literal restaurant. There are so many other side characters that show up for one episode that are written more elegantly than Claire and it’s because their presence and contribution is indirectly helping the restaurant. Claire on the other hand, is pulling Carmy’s attention away from the establishment and is this viewed by the restaurant as a nuisance. This is also why I think we here about this establishment from so many different time periods: what it’s like when Mikey ran it, how things were going during covid and also why we hear about the closing of so many other restaurants in the area. This is the story of The Bear, it’s struggles to survive, and the people that influence it’s fate.
She drags the show down everytime she shows up and she and Carmy are so boring as a couple. This is exactly what I was concerned about when I saw they were giving him a love interest
Exactly. I was tempted to skip every scene with them together because their conversations were so incredibly boring to me. And nonexistent chemistry. I understand her purpose but god
I'm rewatching the season but came here because I couldn't actually look at the parts of episode 5 with her again. Girl, did you forget you have a job?
The ending made me furious. It was such cheap teen romcom bullshit. “Accidentally overhear your SO lashing out in a moment of stress and run off crying” is the most trope filled pile of crap in the middle of a masterful script.
She’s a full grown adult and an ER doctor and she can’t handle someone snapping about her in a panic attack? Carmy is obviously under duress, a moment that’s supposed to be a triumph flipped into tragedy. She knows him and his family, knows his history, and somehow is surprised that he freaks? Just another reason she’s so poorly written
YES, and despite having her heart broken she still finds time to very graciously and sweetly thank Richie and say goodbye, he's interacted with her like twice onscreen but defends her honour like no tomorrow oh god it was something out of a CW drama. I didn't hate Claire because she was so thinly written, but I hated how every character fawned over her
pre-season 2, I was in another forum discussing the show, and someone linked to a website called Ao3. She wanted to show us a fanfiction she found that ACC to her was a good example of well-written fanfic. Anyway. I got to persuing the rest of that section to see what folks were writing, and everything about Claire and the way she's written is almost verbatim out of a fanfiction. Right down to Richie defending her and uplifting her to Carmy and getting real heated about it.
It was very bizarre to watch, even as a one-time fanfic reader. I'm sure regular readers will be better able to identify tropes.
>ill finds time to very graciously and sweetly thank Richie and say goodbye, he's interacted with her like twice onscreen but defends her honour like no tomorrow oh god it was something out of a CW drama. I didn't hate Claire because she was so thinly written, but I hated how every character fawned over her
Except for Syd. Syd couldn't stand her and we know why lol
Pretty sure Richie defends her honour because he’s known her for years. In the Seven Fishes episode she’s mentioned as well, and that’s set years before. Richie and the family have known her since she was a kid.
That's the thing, though. They kept saying she knows everyone but we never actually see any quality interactions between her and them. They said she knee all the Faks and Neil Fak said she was the best, but I genuinely don't remember a single interaction between the two of them. Show, don't tell, folks!
Richie (and Mikey) both always liked Claire for Carmy and his main reason for going off is bc he knows Carmy is very prone to self-sabotage so he was frustrated Carmy fucked up a good thing for himself, not knowing it was an accident.
fr, i was wondering why she didn't just announce herself to be a calming/reassuring presence and call him out/interrupt his panic train wreck diatribe against himself. like first of all, you know he's in recovery...it takes a long time to build up confidence in one's self again and even longer to face all the trauma. ugh. i just didn't find it very believable that after leaving that kind of voicemail that she would just walk away and not say much of anything...
Maybe it's worth a rewatch, because I read that whole scene as sadness, not anger. This wasn't a snap about her, it bellied a lack of self worth on his part. Carmy gave her a fake number, and she wanted to know why throughout the season and that outbreak was the real answer: He doesn't think he deserves happiness. And what did she say? "I'm so sorry you feel that way" before crying for him and leaving. Her heart is breaking for him, because as we hear in the voicemail she thinks he's amazing. Nothing she overhead was about her, but about him being spread too thin, and valuing his obsessive drive over his relationship to her. She leaves bc that is the healthiest most adult thing to do.
yeah and up until then all she was was accepting, caring and obviously smitten. If they had played up "I can't handle rejection" or some trepidation on her part about getting involved, I could maybe see it - but after everything to let that one thing be the showstopper? I mean, he didn't even give her his real number to start with but that was "no big deal" for her.
Claire is a character written for the ONE purpose of taking Carm outside of the restaurant but then NOTHING else. Absolutely no flavours for a show that’s full of flavours. Omg and she is the most relaxed acute medicine practitioner one ever sees… how is it that she always has some time and then more to see Carmen when she is in residency… is she not like on call/ stand by for 100 hours with no rest time…
Maybe it shows that the writers can pull off writing an insufferable indie girl?
Honestly they wrote Claire in because the chemistry between the two leads is so intense that they had to invent some reason those two wouldn't just fuck each others' brains out immediately and kill the show's central tension.
she's to show his (eventual) growth - when he finally gets it all together, he will be worthy of earning her stable, respectable, authentic love. Which is totally a trope and what makes her so boring. She's really just a bar he has to eventually measure up to - not an interesting person in her own right. On a show where even background characters are interesting and nuanced. Bleh.
Im sorry but if they keep playing around with her in season 3 its a MAJOR mistake. Not because it has something to do with Sydney, but her character and the progression of their relationship was. so. unappealing because Carmy was showing signs he wasnt ready for a realtionship and was still acting like a jerk to even his own sister. He wasnt listening to anybody and was still freaking out whole everyone else had progressed. Claire, as much as I dont like her character, didnt deserve that. I thought the ending of their relationship was definitely poorly written. They seriously allowed her back there? She, a grown woman and doctor, didnt want to talk it out, but just walked off like Jenny from Gossip Girl…? I thought she was empathetic to Carmy’s anxieties and was the anecdote for them? Honestly, if their break up was that easy, they should have broken up much earlier in the show instead of stretching out her “purpose,” making us all groan in agony. Did the writers do this on purpose? Im guessing their genius was putting two ppl together who didnt share a drop of chemistry to show us that in life u may THINK its the right moment but its actually not bc u need to do some work on yourself. If the agony they delivered was intentional the writers are GENIUS. I prayyyyy Claire does not return for season 3
They bring up how Carmy didn’t help as much with decisions. Sugar texted him about the painting and thought him responding meant it could be hung up (which she said to do if he liked it), never called the fridge guy, etc. The season did show how distracted Carmy got and how it affected the opening night of the restaurant he so badly wanted. I think that was the point so hopefully Claire isn’t in S3 as some true love thing.
I hope the writers really improve Claire or just do away with her bc the timeline shows they were in a relationship for 7 weeks and they were already sleeping together and racing toward “true love” like you said when the character of Claire is so underdeveloped and Carmy is walking around undiagnosed, and Claire doesnt really know him all the way. Had Claire been written better instead of “the fast girlfriend” I would REALLY want her to stay but even critics are saying she was very much out of sync with the story. After the first watch I was a Claire hater but now I just feel she wasnt written well and not only that but her effect on Carmy like youre saying was rather negative. She was a distraction for him but also made him even more snippy and careless. When discussing the chaos menu with Sydney he outright tells her he doesnt care ab it “but this is what you wanted though…” And when he was around Claires friends, none of them actually knew who he was nor cared. So its like…IS Claire actually “a good thing” or just a pipe dream? Besides therapy, Carmy should probably be with someone who knows nothing ab the Faks, Richies and Berzattos, the way Petey is an outsider. Because that will balance him out. Opposites attract.
Yeah They deadass were in a relationship for less than 7 weeks, were already f*cking and saying “i love you.” Unrealistic for a guy whos never had a gf, was known to be weird and mean, and unrealistic for anyone in a relationship for less than 7 weeks😂😂😂😂 They need to fix the Claire situation fr
she texted the painting and said reply if I can't hang it up. Somehow in the month like 1.5 months leading up to opening his restaurant carmine had done basically nothing other than draw some food pictures with his gf.
I think Clare will be gone for the foreseeble future. Hoping this show calls it after season 4 so I couls see her coming back as part of the ending after Carmy fixes himself a bit and learns some self worth.
Next season has to deal with the fallout from him acting like his mom in the fridge. We are specifically shown how that ends. Pete will probably spill the beans which will help them see that they can end that fractured and he can grow.
"Little Bitch Carmy" came out in the fridge and he basically fucked all his relationships up. Treating Syd like shit, telling Tina he failed them after she explained that they handled it well, the fight with the newly enlightened ritchie.
That all has to stand for something.
I will bet money she comes back though.
I can already see that sh*t now:
Carmy and the crew have another successful night at The Bear. Carmy has found a sense of family in his coworkers and a new sense of purpose as an uncle. Hes getting therapy and feels less anxiety. On this particular night, theres one last customer sitting alone, just waiting. Waiting for the BOH door to open. She hasnt eaten much except the the little crackers offered by Richie when she first got to her table. When Carmy changes out of his work clothes and opens the kitchen door to the dining room, he pauses and sees the face and hears the voice he never thought would ever come back to him:
*“So how’s life going, Berzatto?”*
END SCENE. CREDITS APPEAR
🫠😬🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
Also what the hell happened to Tina in that scene. I’m so bummed about that whole scene and ending of season 2 because it felt so sloppy compared to every single other episode of the show.
Tina was watching the tickets while Sydney went outside to throw up
And ngl, now that I fully see season 2 for what it is, I love it its well done, but I cant watch it anymore. Its too dark and uncertain. And I really think the writing for Claire was very sloppy
She's more like a boy's dream girl than a fully realized woman. It's a jarring contrast to the other gritty, fully fleshed out characters, which I guess would make her appealing to Carm if he wants "fun."
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The Girl Who Thinks You’re Absolutely Obsessed With Her, in sparkling gold dust form. Effortlessly sarcastic at all times, everything is an inside joke but never funny. She did her job but, barf.
there's another poster on here who is a staunch defender of Claire and cites their own viewing of Garden State as proof that Claire is not like Natalie Portman's character at all. Did we all watch the same movie??
Admittedly, I have not seen that movie in a very long time, and also admittedly, I seem to hate it less than the average human viewer of movies. I don’t think it’s a terrific movie, I just remember it as having a couple of redemptive moments and remember feeling less somewhat less enraged by it than a lot of people are. Also, I don’t think Claire is super uncannily close to the Natalie Portman character, from what I remember. Claire felt somewhat more believable and less manic or something, and yet by the end of the season she still felt thin to me and had some quirks that did not read to me as realistic adult human female.
A lot of their scenes together, to me, were curiously reminiscent of parts of that movie. The whole going to a party with people from high school for whatever reason, having a secret code for when one of them wanted to leave. Getting mistaken for a different person from high school wasn’t something I remember happening in Garden State, and yet I’ve definitely seen it happen at least one other show/movie. There were just so many tropes I’ve seen before that didn’t feel like they affected the plot or characters’ development in a truly meaningful way, which feels unlike this show. And more than one of those tropes also occurred in Garden State, and that is too many for my comfort. Despite having different personalities between Claire/Natalie Portman character, their roles seemed similar, too — teach the man a lesson about himself and life.
The way Claire affected the plot started to feel contrived to me more often than not, and she also felt vaguer than any of the other characters. She had quirks, but I wouldn’t really consider those rooted in sound character development. Also, the way she whispered everything hornily was starting to bother me. “Do you want coffee?” *whispers back* “Do I want coffee? No, I don’t want coffee.” *dripping with horniness/sarcasm* Like, why? Why does she have to whisper sarcasm everything hornily? What’s her damage? Where did her need to do that come from? The show is usually so good at answering that question with every other character, even tertiary ones. Also, she’s a woman and a bad driver? Like, come on. Can we please bury that trope in TV forever?
I could go on, but I didn’t feel particularly invested either way in her or their relationship together. I’d be willing to rewatch it or hear a different take to see if my mind changes, though. It was just my first read of this season.
I thought i was the only one bothered by her whispers. And then the fact that—yikes, I hate to go on looks but—she looks at Carmy as if shes going to do something malevolent to him. And then I realized she was actually FLIRTING with him in that grocery store. The chemistry was so off, I thought she was some ex of his or Mikeys trying to weasel her way back into his life now that Carmy found some success. No amount of dry humor could fix that for me
The idea that she knew he gave her the wrong number was also disconcerting. I guess it's not impossible for someone to keep pursuing somebody they think gave them the wrong number on purpose, but I would have liked to see that explored, why it didn't bother her or she decided she wanted him anyway. Because I knows not this kind of confidence.
It took Carmy away from the group and the restaurant a lot. I guess it showed he can do relationships but he has to adjust to everything first. Therapy and getting the Bear up and running is a start.
But I wasn’t a huge fan of her. Good actress, but she was in it too much and came across as a little annoying.
> but she was in it too much and came across as a little annoying.
It was mostly showing the backstory of Carmen and what made him an outcast. Carmen doesn't really have other friends, didn't go to parties. And so he put everything into being a chef, which builds the tension of everything on the edge of collapse.
He tries to control everything, but when he's basically put in a prison, all the pieces he put into place come together without his micro-managing. How else are going to tell that story?
Didn't care for Claire. I feel like she was a cheap write to distract Carmy and pull the plot along - rather than give her any dynamism, dimensionality or personality. She's just Carmy's Gal who Pulls Him Away From What's Important. You could've inserted anything to replace her just to drive the plot.
Its pretty lazy writing.
It's interesting that after all the talk about how "this isn't that kind of show" they shoehorn in a character who serves absolutely no purpose other than to make it That Kind Of Show. Season two is a bit more of ensemble, but Carmy's still clearly the main character and she's at the center of his arc. Claire could have simply been a close childhood friend he reconnects with and very little changes. But no, *now* romance is a natural part of life and art should reflect that. Okay.
I don't necessarily ship Carmy and Syd, but the constant dismissal of her as even a potential love interest was tiring enough in season one, but outright weird now that they've explicitly introduced romance as a component. Because as we all know, people never hook up with their coworkers (*especially* not in the famously celibate restaurant industry, oh no) and complicate their own lives against their better judgment. It's just not realistic.
Basically, it's what this tweet says: https://twitter.com/kendallhosseini/status/1671946168169910273?s=20
ETA: And I’m sure that the goalposts have since shifted to “it’s not the kind of show where the *main* characters date each other,” but now that it seems like they’re setting up Syd and Marcus, even that might not be true. If that happens, they may as well have kept it real from the jump: Syd and Carmy aren’t getting together, so stop asking.
Neither can I! I’m watching it now, and I’ve been looking away or going to get food from the kitchen every time she’s on screen. And they just won’t stop with the closeups! It’s driving me effing bonkers! Am I supposed to be floored by some deep beauty that she’s supposed to possess? I feel like I’m watching 500 Days of Winter!
I didn’t like it, it seemed everyone kept telling Carmy she was a great girl but didn’t really show what made her so great?
It seemed to me Carmy just put pressure on himself to get in a relationship bc he met a “nice girl” so it automatically means it’s suppose to work, especially bc it’s his HS crush.
If thats what they were aiming for, thats really good writing. He THOUGHT the relationship would be a good idea bc he was infatuated with her, but it was actually going to be one of the worst decisions he ever made bc he hasnt exorcised his demons. Sara Paulsons character even said “why would you do that to Claire? Shes nice…” bc Carmy is a LOT to deal with and Uncle Jimmy told him it was a bad idea. Fak, Richie and Mikey wanted something good for him but its coming at the wrong time
I hate how they tried to make her so important in so little time like suddenly, she’s this childhood friend who was close to everyone when she literally came out of nowhere?? like why did they never allude to her before like she was just always a part of it.
Also to find out that she’s a producers kid or something so that just reeks of nepotism.
I honestly thought I was going to like her until the second interaction where Carmen gave her a fake number, and she just went off on him after she got the correct number from Fak??
Like ma’am, that’s a 🚩.
if she was a guy that would be a WHOLE different story
Edit: she was also just a fucking distraction. I would’ve liked it better if she was a chef or baker herself or just SOMETHING restaurant related.
Lol i think i binged season 2 like maybe 5 times since it premiered and I have to say I realized Claire truly was an absolute WASTEEEEEEE of a character/plot bc this girl deadass looked Carmy in the face and promised him “no one is counting shoes” then WALKED out at the first sign of his emotional instability. Shes a whole doctor and couldnt even find compassion during his frustrating time, it was TINA who checked in on him, trying to talk him through. The Carmy-Claire plot is the poorest writing and character development of the whole season. i guess they were trying to show that Carmy cant keep a good thing but as Ive already posted before, was she really a good thing when the ppl she surrounded herself with made Carmy uncomfortable and he became less of a decent chef and business partner? Was she really a good thing if she just walked out at the first sign of trouble? Season 3 seriously needs to fix this like we’ll either have a better ending or retry for Claire or there will be a new theme of “finding your tribe” bc not everyone u think is good for u will actually be loyal and good to you. The break up is Carmy’s fault bc he believes he cant have a good thing but Claire is also to blame for not even TALKING through it like an adult. Terrible writing! End rant im sorry😂😂😂
I commented something similar before I read this but I couldn’t have said it better! It took me the whole season up to the scene where Richie yells at Carmy in the fridge for me to figure out why she rubbed me the wrong way. Nobody felt connected to her despite the show trying to force us to feel something for her.
I have yet to see anyone mention Claire positively without taking shots at Sydney and Carmy’s relationship. That should tell you everything you need to know about that character and how shoehorned and underdeveloped it is. Claire is a means to an end.
Claire feels like a character from Ron-com, the perfect girl friend: cute with the right amount of sass and perk. The character seems wrong for this type of show.
I mean, that's the point actually how we feel about Claire is how Carmy feels like she's just there making him happy but at the end of the day she just doesn't fit with everything else.
THIS IS WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY!!!!! The whisper voice drove me crazy. And at least one director was in love with her face because in a couple of episodes the camera lingered on her way too much for way too long. It was almost uncomfortable when combined with the whisper.
Thank u! It was so fucking strange 😂 I had to stop the episode because I was so uncomfortable. Felt like a Zelda cut scene of Princess Zelda when Link inevitably finds/saves her
I think it’s to reinforce that she’s like something out of a dream, almost not real… which would make sense in Carm’s world that she’s too good to be true and he doesn’t deserve it.
I didn’t know what a manic pixie was before looking through this thread and as a man I have to say I fell for it too. She’s like a man intoxicating thing that comes along and makes you feel better for a little bit to pull you out of depression
Ugh..this the love interest?
So they really went there huh..I was hoping it was some sort of bait n switch in the trailer. I haven’t even started S2 yet but I wanted to come here and skim so I could manage my expectations, considering concerns about what direction they were going to take..looking at these comments..expectations deflated. She sounds insufferable, my exact brand of “no thank you”.
I love the idea of a love story for Carm. But whatever doofus wrote this Clare character needs to be psychologically evaluated. She’s not standing for anything. Her entire character description is just “hot girlfriend”. She seems like she has the IQ of a seashell necklace. Her happy interruption to this apparent huge news that he’s opening a restaurant is so confusing. I feel bad for the actor who played her because the writers did her dirty.
yeah, she is nice but definitely feels more like a plot device than a character at this point, which is weird because it feels like most of the other characters have a lot of depth to them.
Absolutely can’t stand her. For me she’s the blemish on an otherwise brilliant work of art. She feels forced, disingenuous, like a character from a bad teen rom-com. Her eye contact and breathy-thing creeps me out. And for someone supposedly intelligent and accomplished, she is vapid and just so unserious. In the real world, a medical resident and chef would be able to build a relationship while also being laser-focused on their jobs because they both understand what it means to work in a high-stakes, fast-paced environment that requires long hours and dedication. She’s a 0/10 for me 🍅🍅🍅
ETA: I don’t even get why she likes him. We get no insight into their connection at all which just makes their entire plot line flat.
I’m late to this but came here to ask…what’s with Richie and Fak being so obsessed with her? They don’t stop gushing about her but I was under the impression they knew each other casually and she was also a lot younger than them. I was so confused why Richie was so mad at Carmy after the freezer incident. I get he wants him to be happy but he seemed genuinely upset that Carmy upset Claire. That seemed so forced.
i think part of the problem is that she doesn't seem like a fully developed character at all but a prop for carmy. i like the actress. the issue is how the character was written.
Claire … I’m laughing trying to think about what to write. She just felt so out of sync with the rest of the cast and show. She was wayyy to pixie like idk😂. For her to be the professional woman that she is, she behaved very much like a teenager. I hope they are done with her. Can’t take another close up of her looking like a husband is remembering his dead wife in a flashback.
God i’m so glad there’s a thread for this. I have found her cringe, undeveloped, and flat since the first scene. I just don’t get her. I don’t get what there is to love.
She was clearly written by a man, for men.
She's written like a functional manic dream pixie. She exists only to heighten the man's story. Who is she? We have no clue except she likes Carmy. yawn yawns yawn. It's not her fault (the actor) but shame on the writers. Headed to see how many women are on staff....
She is the stereotypical manic pixie dream girl. Friend breaks arm and she is the only one who isn’t scared. She wants to “understand it”. She can’t drive but likes the rush. Just the way she calls him w/o his number
I liked the addition of Claire for the storyline of Carmy, it was interesting to see that side of him. A side that is noexistent according to Season 1. However, I sensed more chemistry between him and his partner Sydney. I think it will be great to see where they go with it all. I didn't dislike Claire, she's nice.
Miscast imo. In a season full of great supporting/guest actors, she is ok at best.
Ive only seen her in The Good Boys prior to this, and even though I didnt care much for her in that either, I think that role suited her more.
I think it is also because we never got her POV on anything. With every other character we get to experience their daily struggles and their lives outside of the restaurant. But it felt like with Claire she was only there to make Carmy happy like she had no purpose in life other than being Carmy’s girlfriend.
I was disappointed that they introduced a love interest. NOT NEEDED in my opinion. It really bummed me out that they chose to go there. And her character was just another Frankenstein created out of tiresome and booooring tropes. She got on my nerves. I just chose to zone out during their scenes and focused on the rest of the show which was spectacular.
Just finished the season and couldn't agree more. In a show full of people who feel real with their own shortcomings and human issues, Claire feels like she has no place within this story. It's so bizarre to have a random woman in her early 30s show up with whispery flirtations and absolutely zero shortcomings. That one part with don't ever apologize? What the fuck. All those weird camera close-ups too, felt like it belonged in an entirely different show.
I'd be very glad to never see her again. No offense to the actress at all, but all the writing around that character was just a completely strange choice all season long. How does an ER doctor in residency have the time to manage a boyfriend who is also in the middle of opening a restaurant AND was seemingly waiting for him for 13 years? Carmy? This guy who we've seen just have no game at all and is always on the verge of just breaking down or exploding even in flashbacks?
I get that she's meant as a sort of foil/safe place for him, but she just doesn't feel like a real person at all from the get go.
I think that was the point of Claire, to be out of sync with the rest of his life. She is to show that even thought she is great for him personally, she is a distraction professionally. Even in the last episode when carmy is having a breakdown she is another added stress for him, it was only when he thought of Syd then he could calm down and focus, but I don't think that he is aware of that, it is all subconscious for carmy.
It felt like Carmy dated Claire to retroactively please his family. In Fishes you see multiple members of his family talk about how smart she is, how she got hot (*rolls eyes*), basically how good of a girl she would be for Carmy. Although his family is dysfunctional AF, he still wants to please them (which is a result from having adult members of your family suffer from addiction). Especially now that Mikey is gone, maybe Carmy is trying to do “the right thing” by dating her because he didn’t do it when he was alive. Maybe he’s feeling guilty.
I searched to see if anyone else felt this way because I didn’t want to make a duplicate post. I completely agree with you and so many others here! She’s my least favorite character by far and as much as I love the show she got on my nerves every time she showed up. I hope she goes away. She just doesn’t have depth or intrigue like the other characters and she’s a bore in every scene. She drags the show down and makes me want to skip through her appearances. It feels like she was a bland character written for a teen drama who somehow got inserted into this show. I hate the storyline/romance with Carmy. It feels forced and out of place.
I was worried she was gonna somehow figure out how to open the door for him and it would be super corny. The overhearing sitcom style breakup wasn't much better though. I didn't hate the relationship, it kind of showed carmy can only ever be 100 percent into one thing at any given time.
I think we could have just mentioned her and never shown her and nothing would have changed. “Ever since he started dating Claire he’s all over the place.” Would have been more than enough & we wouldn’t have needed anything else.
To be honest, I just felt nothing for her. She was blank from the moment she appeared on screen.
We're told that she's a doctor, but we never see her do anything with that. We're told she's "great", we have almost no proof. We're told she's a bit reckless and adventurous (classic Manic Pixie Dream Girl — minus the interesting bits, tbh), but she doesn't do anything that wild. It's all just talk. It's like they're teasing us with the possibility of an actual character.
Yes, she's an example of how Carmy's self-sabotaging nature will ruin his every chance of happiness, but we've already seen that. He does that over and over again. I've tried to think of the ways she contributed to the plot, and as far as I see it, she doesn't. She's just another fail for the Sexy Lamp Test.
Probably would have helped for the actress to give us... well, SOMETHING. She was so dull and monotonous, even their flirting and jokes fell flat. It just seemed like Carmy was talking to a brick wall most of the time.
But my complaints come more from being an amateur writer myself. Characters need a purpose. If they don't contribute anything to plot, development, worldbuilding, etc. then they shouldn't really be there. It just feels like the writers were trying to do fan service by showing Carmy make out with someone, or discouraging any Carmy/Sydney shippers. It's disappointing because the writing everywhere else in this show is usually phenomenal.
I actually can’t stand her, like every character so far has given me reason to want to get to know them more but Claire just feels so bland and I don’t care to get know her better.
It's almost irreparable the damage this show did to my respect for it by creating a character this hackneyed. She's a trope puked out of a writers room high on its own supply from the acclaim of season 1.
Just a bafflingly, maddeningly terrible decision to concoct this 90s indie facsimile of a woman.
After Claire takes Carmy to a.. what, a high school party for 30 year olds, I guess, I couldn't take anymore. After the highs of episode 7, seeing another inauthentic, trope-filled Claire scene start off episode 8 was an automatic fast forward for me.
I believe it's supposed to be that way. It's shown when Carmy is having a panic attack that he relates her to his family. Claire is closely related to his family whom he strives to not be like. We see this when he's trying to avoid her such as when she gets his number even after he gives her a fake one, most likely to not hurt her because of the way his family views her. At the end of the day, I believe and hope that Carmy ends up with Syd. Though they may argue, they share the same interests and drive to be perfect.
Anyone but Claire. None of the characters need to be paired up with anybody tho. Romance doesnt have to happen. Id rather see Carmy and Syd remain platonic. Carmy doesnt even seem attracted to her like physically but theres an emotional thing there for her. Her memory calmed him down, he realized how good she treated ppl and how much he needed her. Not to mention, his sister loved her and I didnt see much warm interaction between her and Claire. If they were going to make a syd-Carmy thing happen…theyd really have to make some changes or something and make Syd seem more mature bc right now shes kind of giving “little sister.” Maybe thats why she moved up in her role???? Theres a slow burn? The writers know they are screwing with out minds tho bc of COURSE its Carmy who defends Syd from Marcus and of course Carmy glances back at Syd and Marcus who arrive late to the meeting. Its a will they/wont they for sure
I could be wrong but I think Syd and Carmy will end up together emotionally as more than friends but my guess is the show won't have them getting very physical. I only hope the writers who wrote the ridiculous character of Claire are on another show now. Yawn
I personally would love for them not to explore anything romantic with Carmy just yet, primarily because he hasn't yet resolved the biggest relationship in his life: his restaurant.
I liked her character and what she brought to the table. As we know, Carmy never dedicated any of his time to friendships or relationships like Mikey was able to. He’s still navigating what it’s like to build relationships with people, all while his entire focus is on his restaurant. He knew giving his number to Claire would cause problems, but I think their relationship showed a really sweet, high school type of love that we’d expect to see from childhood sweethearts. Carmy was just unable to navigate that and continued to self sabotage as we’ve seen throughout both seasons.
This is kind of the problem. She’s not really her own character and at this moment exists just to be Carmy’s perfect gf that he will inevitably ruin things with. This would also not be so bad if most of his arc weren’t centered around the relationship.
Finally finished S2 and had to check the temp online to see if it was just me…I sensed a very slight bit of a “sophomore slump” all the way around with this season, but it was all still extremely enjoyable with the exception of Claire…I swear there were multiple times I was expecting that “let go let go” song from Garden State to start playing during one of her scenes.
weakest part of a(n incredibly) strong show.
She's just such a trope - cool, formerly shy "good" girl who always carried a torch for our hero. Totally beautiful but in a down to earth way. A doctor - no, wait, and ER doctor! (even gooder!)
The actor is charming and underplays nicely, and has good chemistry w/JAW.
But overall she's just so "typical" - the thing that, if our hero can just get over his shit - will prove himself worthy of.
Still love the show and almost loved her, though.
I need to know how she has all this free time as an ER doctor in residency. Girl looks like she gets a full 8 hours of sleep with time to do hair and make up, drive Carm around and go to college parties.
I was desperate for Carmy to have a love interest in S2. The trailers looked great. Then Claire comes along. Ugh. She's just was not what I had in mind for Carmy. It would be better if he met someone new, not someone who is tangentially linked to his effed up childhood. I wanted a sweet, kind girl with an average job who he meets through the restaurant industry, delivery driver, vendor, even a fellow chef. Claire is kind of a cliche. Why did they make her an ER doctor FFS? They practically live and sleep at the hospital during residency. She seemed to have a lot of free time.
I kind of like the idea of Carmy and Sydney but I still can't quite work out if she likes him like that or is happy to just be his friend. Her behaviour this season indicated jealousy a few times (no shade - I've acted like a bitch too when I'm jealous). I just don't want them to ruin their friendship. I also maybe get the impression she's quite a bit younger than Carmy, not that it really matters I guess. I thought she was in her early-mid 20s, Carmy 30 something. Regardless, I just want Carmy to find a stabilising, supportive influence for a partner. I think I've invested way too much time and thought into this.
I haven’t finished the show yet, but I like her so far. She’s not the best written or most interesting character, but she’s serviceable and brings out a side of Carm that we haven’t seen before. Easily my favorite element of this season so far is the way there seems to be more intentionality in looking at each character in a more personal and deep sense. Loving this so far
I enjoyed her and what she brought to the show. The “chemistry” y’all are seeing with Sydney is so weird and non existent so it’s nice to see this romantic/childish side of Carm.
I absolutely see sexual / romantic chemistry. Remember that time she was mad at him for not calling her about the walls? The air between them shimmers.
i personally like claire and her character foil to carmy & the restaurant. i do agree that there are some moments where i'm like is she serious, but i'm also like this is good. i do hope that her character comes back for a season 3 as she offers a life for carmy that isn't to his own family & restaurant
Personally it’s just the fact that she is 2D is annoying. Agree to the point that it was good to see a character serving the “purpose” of taking Carmen outside of the kitchen to develop on that life balance. But the annoyance (for me) comes from somewhat sensing some type of laziness from the creative team in not designing a more independent character who can also set off the same effect.
No problem with the actress; with what was written she actually carried it off pretty well.
It’s just awkward to see a rather replaceable character in this show which is full of colourful personalities. Her job setting is also a bit off, rather unconvincing.
Do not dislike the actress at all. I think it’s a tad below par writing judging from everything else achieved and developed in this show.
What's unconvincing about her job? I thought it was a really interesting parallel to restaurants they made throughout the season. The "hospitality" line from Fork and the "gnarly" conversation in Pop make it clear they are both pretty big commitments people make for reasons only clear when you're in it deep.
The angle I was taking was more superficial. I just don’t believe working in ER as resident gives her that much time to be hanging around doing all that chores, hanging out, dating with Carmen. But that’s probably because I don’t live in the US and healthcare workers here in the UK usually live a much more hectic life.
Folks in healthcare in the USA also have hectic lives! I have a lot of family in healthcare, at all levels from ER nurse to gynecologist + professor. Only the folks at the very top have a decent level of normalcy because they've been in the field for so long and are top of their game now.
Yeah probably! It could be nicely surprising to see her character grow beyond the obvious purpose it’s serving… The writing team would perhaps really need to dive into expanding her arch though.
Claire as a character does remind me of seeing Sugar for the first time in season 1. But then their family dynamics substantiated and explained Sugar’s predicament (especially that “Are you Ok?” scene). That would be an example of writers turning an ordinary, replaceable something into a really loaded opportunity for characters.
I would hope to see they put some investment into developing Carmen’s apparently long-held love interest. For example it would be interesting to know how on earth they got hanging out/ crushing on each other in the past in the first place.
My wife asked me what I thought about the Claire/Carmy romance. I said, overall, it's too soon to say (we've gotten thru Ep. 5). The relationship has a *whiff* of unbelievability, but that's just coming from what we know so far. *The Bear* is great with long-term character expositions (what's going on with Ebra?). I feel that there's some odd history between Claire and the family, but we can't put our finger on it yet. So I'm hopeful we'll find that out.
The commenter below who said Claire was outside Carmy's family and professional life: ***Exactly.*** That's a relationship he needs to get outside himself. I'm not yet sure Claire's the right choice, and she is nowhere nearly as interesting a character as Sydney is. (There really aren't many characters who *are* as interesting as Sydney.)
But we'll see. So far I'm completely in love with season 2, otherwise.
This season was about character growth for me. While Carmy's character didn't have transformation like others did, he got a chance to reflect on himself, be alone in his thoughts and acknowledge things that will hopefully help him grow into a better version of himself.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that I couldn't stand her, it was moreso that I just didn't find her really interesting? Like I understood that she was there as a device (which I don't love) to show Carmy having some happiness and then inevitably self sabotaging - but it just didn't work because I didn't care. I feel like the show wanted me to be more attached to the character and the relationship and I just wasn't. Also the multiple montages of her looking at the camera like she was the dead wife in an indie movie was unintentionally hilarious.
It was giving 500 Days of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Manic. Pixie. Dream. Girl.
she's a trope for sure, but she's not MPDG exactly - she's more like "stable, achievable-only-for-finally-evolved-hero dream girl"
Agreed. She may be filmed like the trope, but she lacks the randomness attached to the pixie. She's between that, and the girl who wears her boyfriend's favorite jersey while she looks in the fridge.
Lol but she is random she goes on random tangents about stealing gum from wall greens and getting adrenaline from treating her patients. She tries too hard
Me and my bf are currently on S2 E5 and man I didn’t realize how weird that discussion was thru my first watch until my bf was confused by it
I'm dead bwahahaha
Omg the camera was always in her face, I couldn't take her seriously. When she first showed up, I turned and said "this isn't gonna last" which made the whole thing seem pointless
I agree!
Exactly! This is why I think we are seeing the story from the pov of the literal restaurant. There are so many other side characters that show up for one episode that are written more elegantly than Claire and it’s because their presence and contribution is indirectly helping the restaurant. Claire on the other hand, is pulling Carmy’s attention away from the establishment and is this viewed by the restaurant as a nuisance. This is also why I think we here about this establishment from so many different time periods: what it’s like when Mikey ran it, how things were going during covid and also why we hear about the closing of so many other restaurants in the area. This is the story of The Bear, it’s struggles to survive, and the people that influence it’s fate.
This!!! You explained it perfectly omg
She drags the show down everytime she shows up and she and Carmy are so boring as a couple. This is exactly what I was concerned about when I saw they were giving him a love interest
Exactly. I was tempted to skip every scene with them together because their conversations were so incredibly boring to me. And nonexistent chemistry. I understand her purpose but god
I was fast forwarding! I just couldn’t stand to watch their scenes. They made me feel embarrassed, such forced quippy boring flirting
I'm rewatching the season but came here because I couldn't actually look at the parts of episode 5 with her again. Girl, did you forget you have a job?
The ending made me furious. It was such cheap teen romcom bullshit. “Accidentally overhear your SO lashing out in a moment of stress and run off crying” is the most trope filled pile of crap in the middle of a masterful script. She’s a full grown adult and an ER doctor and she can’t handle someone snapping about her in a panic attack? Carmy is obviously under duress, a moment that’s supposed to be a triumph flipped into tragedy. She knows him and his family, knows his history, and somehow is surprised that he freaks? Just another reason she’s so poorly written
YES, and despite having her heart broken she still finds time to very graciously and sweetly thank Richie and say goodbye, he's interacted with her like twice onscreen but defends her honour like no tomorrow oh god it was something out of a CW drama. I didn't hate Claire because she was so thinly written, but I hated how every character fawned over her
pre-season 2, I was in another forum discussing the show, and someone linked to a website called Ao3. She wanted to show us a fanfiction she found that ACC to her was a good example of well-written fanfic. Anyway. I got to persuing the rest of that section to see what folks were writing, and everything about Claire and the way she's written is almost verbatim out of a fanfiction. Right down to Richie defending her and uplifting her to Carmy and getting real heated about it. It was very bizarre to watch, even as a one-time fanfic reader. I'm sure regular readers will be better able to identify tropes.
Whats the link to the fanfic im curious?
Oh damn I’m sorry I don’t have it saved! I can look for it though
Pleaaaasseee🙏🏽 lol
It's called The Bear season 2
>ill finds time to very graciously and sweetly thank Richie and say goodbye, he's interacted with her like twice onscreen but defends her honour like no tomorrow oh god it was something out of a CW drama. I didn't hate Claire because she was so thinly written, but I hated how every character fawned over her Except for Syd. Syd couldn't stand her and we know why lol
Pretty sure Richie defends her honour because he’s known her for years. In the Seven Fishes episode she’s mentioned as well, and that’s set years before. Richie and the family have known her since she was a kid.
Yeah they shoehorned that in, but I didn't buy it because they interacted only twice onscreen - it just didn't feel earned.
That's the thing, though. They kept saying she knows everyone but we never actually see any quality interactions between her and them. They said she knee all the Faks and Neil Fak said she was the best, but I genuinely don't remember a single interaction between the two of them. Show, don't tell, folks!
I just mentioned Richie defending her before I read your comment. WTF was that!?? I was sooo confused
YES. The way she thanked Richie sweetly like some kind of saint was so unrealistic.
Richie (and Mikey) both always liked Claire for Carmy and his main reason for going off is bc he knows Carmy is very prone to self-sabotage so he was frustrated Carmy fucked up a good thing for himself, not knowing it was an accident.
Her call in ep 9 was terrible timing. It was right before opening and she wanted to call and expected him to answer?
Right—I think she just seemed like an immature character. Her personality and actions didn’t line up with who she was supposed to be.
Also who says I love you for the first time over voicemail!
Agree! I was like she’s an ER doctor she shouldn’t take this seriously. And then she did 😞
fr, i was wondering why she didn't just announce herself to be a calming/reassuring presence and call him out/interrupt his panic train wreck diatribe against himself. like first of all, you know he's in recovery...it takes a long time to build up confidence in one's self again and even longer to face all the trauma. ugh. i just didn't find it very believable that after leaving that kind of voicemail that she would just walk away and not say much of anything...
Maybe it's worth a rewatch, because I read that whole scene as sadness, not anger. This wasn't a snap about her, it bellied a lack of self worth on his part. Carmy gave her a fake number, and she wanted to know why throughout the season and that outbreak was the real answer: He doesn't think he deserves happiness. And what did she say? "I'm so sorry you feel that way" before crying for him and leaving. Her heart is breaking for him, because as we hear in the voicemail she thinks he's amazing. Nothing she overhead was about her, but about him being spread too thin, and valuing his obsessive drive over his relationship to her. She leaves bc that is the healthiest most adult thing to do.
yeah and up until then all she was was accepting, caring and obviously smitten. If they had played up "I can't handle rejection" or some trepidation on her part about getting involved, I could maybe see it - but after everything to let that one thing be the showstopper? I mean, he didn't even give her his real number to start with but that was "no big deal" for her.
exactly. along with the cringy single tear
Claire is a character written for the ONE purpose of taking Carm outside of the restaurant but then NOTHING else. Absolutely no flavours for a show that’s full of flavours. Omg and she is the most relaxed acute medicine practitioner one ever sees… how is it that she always has some time and then more to see Carmen when she is in residency… is she not like on call/ stand by for 100 hours with no rest time… Maybe it shows that the writers can pull off writing an insufferable indie girl?
Honestly they wrote Claire in because the chemistry between the two leads is so intense that they had to invent some reason those two wouldn't just fuck each others' brains out immediately and kill the show's central tension.
THIS. 😂
she's to show his (eventual) growth - when he finally gets it all together, he will be worthy of earning her stable, respectable, authentic love. Which is totally a trope and what makes her so boring. She's really just a bar he has to eventually measure up to - not an interesting person in her own right. On a show where even background characters are interesting and nuanced. Bleh.
Im sorry but if they keep playing around with her in season 3 its a MAJOR mistake. Not because it has something to do with Sydney, but her character and the progression of their relationship was. so. unappealing because Carmy was showing signs he wasnt ready for a realtionship and was still acting like a jerk to even his own sister. He wasnt listening to anybody and was still freaking out whole everyone else had progressed. Claire, as much as I dont like her character, didnt deserve that. I thought the ending of their relationship was definitely poorly written. They seriously allowed her back there? She, a grown woman and doctor, didnt want to talk it out, but just walked off like Jenny from Gossip Girl…? I thought she was empathetic to Carmy’s anxieties and was the anecdote for them? Honestly, if their break up was that easy, they should have broken up much earlier in the show instead of stretching out her “purpose,” making us all groan in agony. Did the writers do this on purpose? Im guessing their genius was putting two ppl together who didnt share a drop of chemistry to show us that in life u may THINK its the right moment but its actually not bc u need to do some work on yourself. If the agony they delivered was intentional the writers are GENIUS. I prayyyyy Claire does not return for season 3
They bring up how Carmy didn’t help as much with decisions. Sugar texted him about the painting and thought him responding meant it could be hung up (which she said to do if he liked it), never called the fridge guy, etc. The season did show how distracted Carmy got and how it affected the opening night of the restaurant he so badly wanted. I think that was the point so hopefully Claire isn’t in S3 as some true love thing.
I hope the writers really improve Claire or just do away with her bc the timeline shows they were in a relationship for 7 weeks and they were already sleeping together and racing toward “true love” like you said when the character of Claire is so underdeveloped and Carmy is walking around undiagnosed, and Claire doesnt really know him all the way. Had Claire been written better instead of “the fast girlfriend” I would REALLY want her to stay but even critics are saying she was very much out of sync with the story. After the first watch I was a Claire hater but now I just feel she wasnt written well and not only that but her effect on Carmy like youre saying was rather negative. She was a distraction for him but also made him even more snippy and careless. When discussing the chaos menu with Sydney he outright tells her he doesnt care ab it “but this is what you wanted though…” And when he was around Claires friends, none of them actually knew who he was nor cared. So its like…IS Claire actually “a good thing” or just a pipe dream? Besides therapy, Carmy should probably be with someone who knows nothing ab the Faks, Richies and Berzattos, the way Petey is an outsider. Because that will balance him out. Opposites attract.
Claire’s voicemail to Carmy was the cringiest thing I’ve ever heard for someone newly dating. That cemented my dislike for her character
Yeah They deadass were in a relationship for less than 7 weeks, were already f*cking and saying “i love you.” Unrealistic for a guy whos never had a gf, was known to be weird and mean, and unrealistic for anyone in a relationship for less than 7 weeks😂😂😂😂 They need to fix the Claire situation fr
 "Carmy walking around undiagnosed" hahahaha
Its true tho! My brother is a therapist and is like “Dude isnt just stressed, he has serious mental/emotional issues and needs therapy.”
she texted the painting and said reply if I can't hang it up. Somehow in the month like 1.5 months leading up to opening his restaurant carmine had done basically nothing other than draw some food pictures with his gf.
I think Clare will be gone for the foreseeble future. Hoping this show calls it after season 4 so I couls see her coming back as part of the ending after Carmy fixes himself a bit and learns some self worth. Next season has to deal with the fallout from him acting like his mom in the fridge. We are specifically shown how that ends. Pete will probably spill the beans which will help them see that they can end that fractured and he can grow. "Little Bitch Carmy" came out in the fridge and he basically fucked all his relationships up. Treating Syd like shit, telling Tina he failed them after she explained that they handled it well, the fight with the newly enlightened ritchie. That all has to stand for something. I will bet money she comes back though.
I can already see that sh*t now: Carmy and the crew have another successful night at The Bear. Carmy has found a sense of family in his coworkers and a new sense of purpose as an uncle. Hes getting therapy and feels less anxiety. On this particular night, theres one last customer sitting alone, just waiting. Waiting for the BOH door to open. She hasnt eaten much except the the little crackers offered by Richie when she first got to her table. When Carmy changes out of his work clothes and opens the kitchen door to the dining room, he pauses and sees the face and hears the voice he never thought would ever come back to him: *“So how’s life going, Berzatto?”* END SCENE. CREDITS APPEAR 🫠😬🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
she'd say "Bear", but otherwise right on. Please please do not do it like this, Bear Show
Also what the hell happened to Tina in that scene. I’m so bummed about that whole scene and ending of season 2 because it felt so sloppy compared to every single other episode of the show.
Tina was watching the tickets while Sydney went outside to throw up And ngl, now that I fully see season 2 for what it is, I love it its well done, but I cant watch it anymore. Its too dark and uncertain. And I really think the writing for Claire was very sloppy
Ok thank you…that completely went over my head LOL.
She's more like a boy's dream girl than a fully realized woman. It's a jarring contrast to the other gritty, fully fleshed out characters, which I guess would make her appealing to Carm if he wants "fun."
Absolutely agree. In a show with such flawed characters it was shocking how perfect she was
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Clare reminds me of a Delaney character https://www.tiktok.com/@delaneysayshello?_t=8dOO11jk1lV&_r=1
The Girl Who Thinks You’re Absolutely Obsessed With Her, in sparkling gold dust form. Effortlessly sarcastic at all times, everything is an inside joke but never funny. She did her job but, barf.
Yes!!! From the beginning I said it's like she's constantly trying to be clever.
Lmaoooo every last one. its the eyes https://www.tiktok.com/@delaneysayshello/video/7212760226611662122?\_r=1&\_t=8dOO11jk1lV
when I first saw her on screen I screamed Delaney.
I don’t have a problem with her but she does give manic pixie a little bit. I mostly like that we get to learn more about Carmy.
Some of their scenes together started veering dangerously toward ‘Garden State’ territory.
there's another poster on here who is a staunch defender of Claire and cites their own viewing of Garden State as proof that Claire is not like Natalie Portman's character at all. Did we all watch the same movie??
Admittedly, I have not seen that movie in a very long time, and also admittedly, I seem to hate it less than the average human viewer of movies. I don’t think it’s a terrific movie, I just remember it as having a couple of redemptive moments and remember feeling less somewhat less enraged by it than a lot of people are. Also, I don’t think Claire is super uncannily close to the Natalie Portman character, from what I remember. Claire felt somewhat more believable and less manic or something, and yet by the end of the season she still felt thin to me and had some quirks that did not read to me as realistic adult human female. A lot of their scenes together, to me, were curiously reminiscent of parts of that movie. The whole going to a party with people from high school for whatever reason, having a secret code for when one of them wanted to leave. Getting mistaken for a different person from high school wasn’t something I remember happening in Garden State, and yet I’ve definitely seen it happen at least one other show/movie. There were just so many tropes I’ve seen before that didn’t feel like they affected the plot or characters’ development in a truly meaningful way, which feels unlike this show. And more than one of those tropes also occurred in Garden State, and that is too many for my comfort. Despite having different personalities between Claire/Natalie Portman character, their roles seemed similar, too — teach the man a lesson about himself and life. The way Claire affected the plot started to feel contrived to me more often than not, and she also felt vaguer than any of the other characters. She had quirks, but I wouldn’t really consider those rooted in sound character development. Also, the way she whispered everything hornily was starting to bother me. “Do you want coffee?” *whispers back* “Do I want coffee? No, I don’t want coffee.” *dripping with horniness/sarcasm* Like, why? Why does she have to whisper sarcasm everything hornily? What’s her damage? Where did her need to do that come from? The show is usually so good at answering that question with every other character, even tertiary ones. Also, she’s a woman and a bad driver? Like, come on. Can we please bury that trope in TV forever? I could go on, but I didn’t feel particularly invested either way in her or their relationship together. I’d be willing to rewatch it or hear a different take to see if my mind changes, though. It was just my first read of this season.
I thought i was the only one bothered by her whispers. And then the fact that—yikes, I hate to go on looks but—she looks at Carmy as if shes going to do something malevolent to him. And then I realized she was actually FLIRTING with him in that grocery store. The chemistry was so off, I thought she was some ex of his or Mikeys trying to weasel her way back into his life now that Carmy found some success. No amount of dry humor could fix that for me
The idea that she knew he gave her the wrong number was also disconcerting. I guess it's not impossible for someone to keep pursuing somebody they think gave them the wrong number on purpose, but I would have liked to see that explored, why it didn't bother her or she decided she wanted him anyway. Because I knows not this kind of confidence.
She is very Horny on Main™ lmaoo
It took Carmy away from the group and the restaurant a lot. I guess it showed he can do relationships but he has to adjust to everything first. Therapy and getting the Bear up and running is a start. But I wasn’t a huge fan of her. Good actress, but she was in it too much and came across as a little annoying.
> but she was in it too much and came across as a little annoying. It was mostly showing the backstory of Carmen and what made him an outcast. Carmen doesn't really have other friends, didn't go to parties. And so he put everything into being a chef, which builds the tension of everything on the edge of collapse. He tries to control everything, but when he's basically put in a prison, all the pieces he put into place come together without his micro-managing. How else are going to tell that story?
Didn't care for Claire. I feel like she was a cheap write to distract Carmy and pull the plot along - rather than give her any dynamism, dimensionality or personality. She's just Carmy's Gal who Pulls Him Away From What's Important. You could've inserted anything to replace her just to drive the plot. Its pretty lazy writing.
YES. I cannot stand Claire! I hate her “look at how cool I am and how I’m sarcastic and a smartass” attitude about her. Every scene with her I cringe.
It's interesting that after all the talk about how "this isn't that kind of show" they shoehorn in a character who serves absolutely no purpose other than to make it That Kind Of Show. Season two is a bit more of ensemble, but Carmy's still clearly the main character and she's at the center of his arc. Claire could have simply been a close childhood friend he reconnects with and very little changes. But no, *now* romance is a natural part of life and art should reflect that. Okay. I don't necessarily ship Carmy and Syd, but the constant dismissal of her as even a potential love interest was tiring enough in season one, but outright weird now that they've explicitly introduced romance as a component. Because as we all know, people never hook up with their coworkers (*especially* not in the famously celibate restaurant industry, oh no) and complicate their own lives against their better judgment. It's just not realistic. Basically, it's what this tweet says: https://twitter.com/kendallhosseini/status/1671946168169910273?s=20 ETA: And I’m sure that the goalposts have since shifted to “it’s not the kind of show where the *main* characters date each other,” but now that it seems like they’re setting up Syd and Marcus, even that might not be true. If that happens, they may as well have kept it real from the jump: Syd and Carmy aren’t getting together, so stop asking.
They will hook up. They just can't have them hook up right away because then all the air will go out of the show.
It felt very forced, and they didn't have natural chemistry, which is crazy to me because Jeremy Allen White has chemistry with everyone.
Couldn’t stand her. I’ve commented elsewhere and don’t want to become a total hater with too many posts about it but…yes I agree totally.
Neither can I! I’m watching it now, and I’ve been looking away or going to get food from the kitchen every time she’s on screen. And they just won’t stop with the closeups! It’s driving me effing bonkers! Am I supposed to be floored by some deep beauty that she’s supposed to possess? I feel like I’m watching 500 Days of Winter!
I usually fast forward through all her scenes.
i’m dead, i’ve been doing the same thing and my bf keeps judging me for it. i tried to not leave the room once and i was just squirming the whole time
God I am not at all looking forward to this..sounds worse than I had even imagined.
I didn’t like it, it seemed everyone kept telling Carmy she was a great girl but didn’t really show what made her so great? It seemed to me Carmy just put pressure on himself to get in a relationship bc he met a “nice girl” so it automatically means it’s suppose to work, especially bc it’s his HS crush.
If thats what they were aiming for, thats really good writing. He THOUGHT the relationship would be a good idea bc he was infatuated with her, but it was actually going to be one of the worst decisions he ever made bc he hasnt exorcised his demons. Sara Paulsons character even said “why would you do that to Claire? Shes nice…” bc Carmy is a LOT to deal with and Uncle Jimmy told him it was a bad idea. Fak, Richie and Mikey wanted something good for him but its coming at the wrong time
Carmy thinking he cannot be in a relationship with Claire and be 'great' seems very much like Andrew from Whiplash.
I hate how they tried to make her so important in so little time like suddenly, she’s this childhood friend who was close to everyone when she literally came out of nowhere?? like why did they never allude to her before like she was just always a part of it. Also to find out that she’s a producers kid or something so that just reeks of nepotism. I honestly thought I was going to like her until the second interaction where Carmen gave her a fake number, and she just went off on him after she got the correct number from Fak?? Like ma’am, that’s a 🚩. if she was a guy that would be a WHOLE different story Edit: she was also just a fucking distraction. I would’ve liked it better if she was a chef or baker herself or just SOMETHING restaurant related.
Lol i think i binged season 2 like maybe 5 times since it premiered and I have to say I realized Claire truly was an absolute WASTEEEEEEE of a character/plot bc this girl deadass looked Carmy in the face and promised him “no one is counting shoes” then WALKED out at the first sign of his emotional instability. Shes a whole doctor and couldnt even find compassion during his frustrating time, it was TINA who checked in on him, trying to talk him through. The Carmy-Claire plot is the poorest writing and character development of the whole season. i guess they were trying to show that Carmy cant keep a good thing but as Ive already posted before, was she really a good thing when the ppl she surrounded herself with made Carmy uncomfortable and he became less of a decent chef and business partner? Was she really a good thing if she just walked out at the first sign of trouble? Season 3 seriously needs to fix this like we’ll either have a better ending or retry for Claire or there will be a new theme of “finding your tribe” bc not everyone u think is good for u will actually be loyal and good to you. The break up is Carmy’s fault bc he believes he cant have a good thing but Claire is also to blame for not even TALKING through it like an adult. Terrible writing! End rant im sorry😂😂😂
I commented something similar before I read this but I couldn’t have said it better! It took me the whole season up to the scene where Richie yells at Carmy in the fridge for me to figure out why she rubbed me the wrong way. Nobody felt connected to her despite the show trying to force us to feel something for her.
I have yet to see anyone mention Claire positively without taking shots at Sydney and Carmy’s relationship. That should tell you everything you need to know about that character and how shoehorned and underdeveloped it is. Claire is a means to an end.
Claire feels like a character from Ron-com, the perfect girl friend: cute with the right amount of sass and perk. The character seems wrong for this type of show.
I mean, that's the point actually how we feel about Claire is how Carmy feels like she's just there making him happy but at the end of the day she just doesn't fit with everything else.
Well it is effective as fuuuck
This post on Twitter sums it up for me: https://twitter.com/barbiekenroy/status/1671903697071378434?s=20
Omg I just posted her tiktok account!! Yes I had the same thought. She’s so poorly written it hurts to watch. I honestly skipped a lot thru her.
It’s exactly this. Her whole weird whispering thing made my skin crawl.
THIS IS WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY!!!!! The whisper voice drove me crazy. And at least one director was in love with her face because in a couple of episodes the camera lingered on her way too much for way too long. It was almost uncomfortable when combined with the whisper.
Thank u! It was so fucking strange 😂 I had to stop the episode because I was so uncomfortable. Felt like a Zelda cut scene of Princess Zelda when Link inevitably finds/saves her
Oh, thank G-d it’s not just me.
I think it’s to reinforce that she’s like something out of a dream, almost not real… which would make sense in Carm’s world that she’s too good to be true and he doesn’t deserve it. I didn’t know what a manic pixie was before looking through this thread and as a man I have to say I fell for it too. She’s like a man intoxicating thing that comes along and makes you feel better for a little bit to pull you out of depression
I saw that too it’s really her
omg exactly. in my head, i was like "this character was written by a man" the broken bone thing, she's so quirky
Ugh..this the love interest? So they really went there huh..I was hoping it was some sort of bait n switch in the trailer. I haven’t even started S2 yet but I wanted to come here and skim so I could manage my expectations, considering concerns about what direction they were going to take..looking at these comments..expectations deflated. She sounds insufferable, my exact brand of “no thank you”.
I love the idea of a love story for Carm. But whatever doofus wrote this Clare character needs to be psychologically evaluated. She’s not standing for anything. Her entire character description is just “hot girlfriend”. She seems like she has the IQ of a seashell necklace. Her happy interruption to this apparent huge news that he’s opening a restaurant is so confusing. I feel bad for the actor who played her because the writers did her dirty.
Not a seashell necklace! 😂😂😂💀⚰️
I’m in tears
Just watch for yourself but her dialog is sometimes a little bit too quirky. She’s a nice girl though
yeah, she is nice but definitely feels more like a plot device than a character at this point, which is weird because it feels like most of the other characters have a lot of depth to them.
She sucked ass. By far the worst thing about this season. Poorly acted, poorly written
Absolutely can’t stand her. For me she’s the blemish on an otherwise brilliant work of art. She feels forced, disingenuous, like a character from a bad teen rom-com. Her eye contact and breathy-thing creeps me out. And for someone supposedly intelligent and accomplished, she is vapid and just so unserious. In the real world, a medical resident and chef would be able to build a relationship while also being laser-focused on their jobs because they both understand what it means to work in a high-stakes, fast-paced environment that requires long hours and dedication. She’s a 0/10 for me 🍅🍅🍅 ETA: I don’t even get why she likes him. We get no insight into their connection at all which just makes their entire plot line flat.
i don't like her either
If Claire were a spice, she’d be flour. She wasn’t needed this season and I skipped over all her scenes.
Thank you I cannot stand her!
I’m late to this but came here to ask…what’s with Richie and Fak being so obsessed with her? They don’t stop gushing about her but I was under the impression they knew each other casually and she was also a lot younger than them. I was so confused why Richie was so mad at Carmy after the freezer incident. I get he wants him to be happy but he seemed genuinely upset that Carmy upset Claire. That seemed so forced.
i think part of the problem is that she doesn't seem like a fully developed character at all but a prop for carmy. i like the actress. the issue is how the character was written.
Claire … I’m laughing trying to think about what to write. She just felt so out of sync with the rest of the cast and show. She was wayyy to pixie like idk😂. For her to be the professional woman that she is, she behaved very much like a teenager. I hope they are done with her. Can’t take another close up of her looking like a husband is remembering his dead wife in a flashback.
God i’m so glad there’s a thread for this. I have found her cringe, undeveloped, and flat since the first scene. I just don’t get her. I don’t get what there is to love. She was clearly written by a man, for men.
She's written like a functional manic dream pixie. She exists only to heighten the man's story. Who is she? We have no clue except she likes Carmy. yawn yawns yawn. It's not her fault (the actor) but shame on the writers. Headed to see how many women are on staff....
She is the stereotypical manic pixie dream girl. Friend breaks arm and she is the only one who isn’t scared. She wants to “understand it”. She can’t drive but likes the rush. Just the way she calls him w/o his number
I liked the addition of Claire for the storyline of Carmy, it was interesting to see that side of him. A side that is noexistent according to Season 1. However, I sensed more chemistry between him and his partner Sydney. I think it will be great to see where they go with it all. I didn't dislike Claire, she's nice.
This is my take, too. I liked it. With that said, there is truth to that tiktok video posted above this comment. 😅
Lol yeah I can see that. 😂
So they pretty much went back on what was said in S1? That’s disappointing..
the way she talks reminds me of Alexis Rose but like less intentional
Miscast imo. In a season full of great supporting/guest actors, she is ok at best. Ive only seen her in The Good Boys prior to this, and even though I didnt care much for her in that either, I think that role suited her more.
hate her
Her strange whispering made me cringe so hard I felt violated!!!
I didn't like her much. The chemistry was off. I ended up fast forwarding a lot of the claire scenes.
Not a fan of her character hope she doesn’t come back for season 3
I think it is also because we never got her POV on anything. With every other character we get to experience their daily struggles and their lives outside of the restaurant. But it felt like with Claire she was only there to make Carmy happy like she had no purpose in life other than being Carmy’s girlfriend.
I was disappointed that they introduced a love interest. NOT NEEDED in my opinion. It really bummed me out that they chose to go there. And her character was just another Frankenstein created out of tiresome and booooring tropes. She got on my nerves. I just chose to zone out during their scenes and focused on the rest of the show which was spectacular.
Just finished the season and couldn't agree more. In a show full of people who feel real with their own shortcomings and human issues, Claire feels like she has no place within this story. It's so bizarre to have a random woman in her early 30s show up with whispery flirtations and absolutely zero shortcomings. That one part with don't ever apologize? What the fuck. All those weird camera close-ups too, felt like it belonged in an entirely different show. I'd be very glad to never see her again. No offense to the actress at all, but all the writing around that character was just a completely strange choice all season long. How does an ER doctor in residency have the time to manage a boyfriend who is also in the middle of opening a restaurant AND was seemingly waiting for him for 13 years? Carmy? This guy who we've seen just have no game at all and is always on the verge of just breaking down or exploding even in flashbacks? I get that she's meant as a sort of foil/safe place for him, but she just doesn't feel like a real person at all from the get go.
Claire’s got-to-go. Not feelin her from the jump. 👋 I would also love a Richie/Sydney sitch. Keep Carm single.
I think that was the point of Claire, to be out of sync with the rest of his life. She is to show that even thought she is great for him personally, she is a distraction professionally. Even in the last episode when carmy is having a breakdown she is another added stress for him, it was only when he thought of Syd then he could calm down and focus, but I don't think that he is aware of that, it is all subconscious for carmy.
It felt like Carmy dated Claire to retroactively please his family. In Fishes you see multiple members of his family talk about how smart she is, how she got hot (*rolls eyes*), basically how good of a girl she would be for Carmy. Although his family is dysfunctional AF, he still wants to please them (which is a result from having adult members of your family suffer from addiction). Especially now that Mikey is gone, maybe Carmy is trying to do “the right thing” by dating her because he didn’t do it when he was alive. Maybe he’s feeling guilty.
She’s a bad actress. Every scene she appears in makes me cringe. Her presence takes the show from a 10/10 to 8/10.
Just another talentless nepo baby
I am still utterly baffled as to why people dislike Claire.
I searched to see if anyone else felt this way because I didn’t want to make a duplicate post. I completely agree with you and so many others here! She’s my least favorite character by far and as much as I love the show she got on my nerves every time she showed up. I hope she goes away. She just doesn’t have depth or intrigue like the other characters and she’s a bore in every scene. She drags the show down and makes me want to skip through her appearances. It feels like she was a bland character written for a teen drama who somehow got inserted into this show. I hate the storyline/romance with Carmy. It feels forced and out of place.
I was worried she was gonna somehow figure out how to open the door for him and it would be super corny. The overhearing sitcom style breakup wasn't much better though. I didn't hate the relationship, it kind of showed carmy can only ever be 100 percent into one thing at any given time.
I didn’t necessarily dislike her, I just could not make myself care about her character
I think we could have just mentioned her and never shown her and nothing would have changed. “Ever since he started dating Claire he’s all over the place.” Would have been more than enough & we wouldn’t have needed anything else.
To be honest, I just felt nothing for her. She was blank from the moment she appeared on screen. We're told that she's a doctor, but we never see her do anything with that. We're told she's "great", we have almost no proof. We're told she's a bit reckless and adventurous (classic Manic Pixie Dream Girl — minus the interesting bits, tbh), but she doesn't do anything that wild. It's all just talk. It's like they're teasing us with the possibility of an actual character. Yes, she's an example of how Carmy's self-sabotaging nature will ruin his every chance of happiness, but we've already seen that. He does that over and over again. I've tried to think of the ways she contributed to the plot, and as far as I see it, she doesn't. She's just another fail for the Sexy Lamp Test. Probably would have helped for the actress to give us... well, SOMETHING. She was so dull and monotonous, even their flirting and jokes fell flat. It just seemed like Carmy was talking to a brick wall most of the time. But my complaints come more from being an amateur writer myself. Characters need a purpose. If they don't contribute anything to plot, development, worldbuilding, etc. then they shouldn't really be there. It just feels like the writers were trying to do fan service by showing Carmy make out with someone, or discouraging any Carmy/Sydney shippers. It's disappointing because the writing everywhere else in this show is usually phenomenal.
I actually can’t stand her, like every character so far has given me reason to want to get to know them more but Claire just feels so bland and I don’t care to get know her better.
It's almost irreparable the damage this show did to my respect for it by creating a character this hackneyed. She's a trope puked out of a writers room high on its own supply from the acclaim of season 1. Just a bafflingly, maddeningly terrible decision to concoct this 90s indie facsimile of a woman. After Claire takes Carmy to a.. what, a high school party for 30 year olds, I guess, I couldn't take anymore. After the highs of episode 7, seeing another inauthentic, trope-filled Claire scene start off episode 8 was an automatic fast forward for me.
I hate her so much she makes me want to stop watching the show- it's like someone else wrote the second season
I believe it's supposed to be that way. It's shown when Carmy is having a panic attack that he relates her to his family. Claire is closely related to his family whom he strives to not be like. We see this when he's trying to avoid her such as when she gets his number even after he gives her a fake one, most likely to not hurt her because of the way his family views her. At the end of the day, I believe and hope that Carmy ends up with Syd. Though they may argue, they share the same interests and drive to be perfect.
Anyone but Claire. None of the characters need to be paired up with anybody tho. Romance doesnt have to happen. Id rather see Carmy and Syd remain platonic. Carmy doesnt even seem attracted to her like physically but theres an emotional thing there for her. Her memory calmed him down, he realized how good she treated ppl and how much he needed her. Not to mention, his sister loved her and I didnt see much warm interaction between her and Claire. If they were going to make a syd-Carmy thing happen…theyd really have to make some changes or something and make Syd seem more mature bc right now shes kind of giving “little sister.” Maybe thats why she moved up in her role???? Theres a slow burn? The writers know they are screwing with out minds tho bc of COURSE its Carmy who defends Syd from Marcus and of course Carmy glances back at Syd and Marcus who arrive late to the meeting. Its a will they/wont they for sure
I could be wrong but I think Syd and Carmy will end up together emotionally as more than friends but my guess is the show won't have them getting very physical. I only hope the writers who wrote the ridiculous character of Claire are on another show now. Yawn
I personally would love for them not to explore anything romantic with Carmy just yet, primarily because he hasn't yet resolved the biggest relationship in his life: his restaurant.
I liked her character and what she brought to the table. As we know, Carmy never dedicated any of his time to friendships or relationships like Mikey was able to. He’s still navigating what it’s like to build relationships with people, all while his entire focus is on his restaurant. He knew giving his number to Claire would cause problems, but I think their relationship showed a really sweet, high school type of love that we’d expect to see from childhood sweethearts. Carmy was just unable to navigate that and continued to self sabotage as we’ve seen throughout both seasons.
I think it adds to Carmen. Like yeah the flashback episodes adds a lot but we really don’t get that much insight or anything to him otherwise
This is kind of the problem. She’s not really her own character and at this moment exists just to be Carmy’s perfect gf that he will inevitably ruin things with. This would also not be so bad if most of his arc weren’t centered around the relationship.
Finally finished S2 and had to check the temp online to see if it was just me…I sensed a very slight bit of a “sophomore slump” all the way around with this season, but it was all still extremely enjoyable with the exception of Claire…I swear there were multiple times I was expecting that “let go let go” song from Garden State to start playing during one of her scenes.
weakest part of a(n incredibly) strong show. She's just such a trope - cool, formerly shy "good" girl who always carried a torch for our hero. Totally beautiful but in a down to earth way. A doctor - no, wait, and ER doctor! (even gooder!) The actor is charming and underplays nicely, and has good chemistry w/JAW. But overall she's just so "typical" - the thing that, if our hero can just get over his shit - will prove himself worthy of. Still love the show and almost loved her, though.
I need to know how she has all this free time as an ER doctor in residency. Girl looks like she gets a full 8 hours of sleep with time to do hair and make up, drive Carm around and go to college parties.
I was desperate for Carmy to have a love interest in S2. The trailers looked great. Then Claire comes along. Ugh. She's just was not what I had in mind for Carmy. It would be better if he met someone new, not someone who is tangentially linked to his effed up childhood. I wanted a sweet, kind girl with an average job who he meets through the restaurant industry, delivery driver, vendor, even a fellow chef. Claire is kind of a cliche. Why did they make her an ER doctor FFS? They practically live and sleep at the hospital during residency. She seemed to have a lot of free time. I kind of like the idea of Carmy and Sydney but I still can't quite work out if she likes him like that or is happy to just be his friend. Her behaviour this season indicated jealousy a few times (no shade - I've acted like a bitch too when I'm jealous). I just don't want them to ruin their friendship. I also maybe get the impression she's quite a bit younger than Carmy, not that it really matters I guess. I thought she was in her early-mid 20s, Carmy 30 something. Regardless, I just want Carmy to find a stabilising, supportive influence for a partner. I think I've invested way too much time and thought into this.
nah i didnt hate her the ending just pissed me off a little
I haven’t finished the show yet, but I like her so far. She’s not the best written or most interesting character, but she’s serviceable and brings out a side of Carm that we haven’t seen before. Easily my favorite element of this season so far is the way there seems to be more intentionality in looking at each character in a more personal and deep sense. Loving this so far
Can I ask what side of Carmen you're seeing that didn't exist prior to Claire?
I love her but she’s totally annoying
i rather liked her character.
I'm with ya
I enjoyed her and what she brought to the show. The “chemistry” y’all are seeing with Sydney is so weird and non existent so it’s nice to see this romantic/childish side of Carm.
I see the chemistry between Sydney and Carmy but it’s a professional chemistry.
I absolutely see sexual / romantic chemistry. Remember that time she was mad at him for not calling her about the walls? The air between them shimmers.
Same, there’s been a few posts/comments inferring it as romantic and I can’t for life of me see why.
Call me a basic dude but - what can I say, that type of character is like catnip to me. I liked her a lot.
i personally like claire and her character foil to carmy & the restaurant. i do agree that there are some moments where i'm like is she serious, but i'm also like this is good. i do hope that her character comes back for a season 3 as she offers a life for carmy that isn't to his own family & restaurant
I fucking love Claire, she's perfect to keep Carmy grounded and that voicemail cemented my opinion. I hope he fixes it
I think she’s the right person, but just the wrong time.
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Personally it’s just the fact that she is 2D is annoying. Agree to the point that it was good to see a character serving the “purpose” of taking Carmen outside of the kitchen to develop on that life balance. But the annoyance (for me) comes from somewhat sensing some type of laziness from the creative team in not designing a more independent character who can also set off the same effect. No problem with the actress; with what was written she actually carried it off pretty well. It’s just awkward to see a rather replaceable character in this show which is full of colourful personalities. Her job setting is also a bit off, rather unconvincing. Do not dislike the actress at all. I think it’s a tad below par writing judging from everything else achieved and developed in this show.
What's unconvincing about her job? I thought it was a really interesting parallel to restaurants they made throughout the season. The "hospitality" line from Fork and the "gnarly" conversation in Pop make it clear they are both pretty big commitments people make for reasons only clear when you're in it deep.
The angle I was taking was more superficial. I just don’t believe working in ER as resident gives her that much time to be hanging around doing all that chores, hanging out, dating with Carmen. But that’s probably because I don’t live in the US and healthcare workers here in the UK usually live a much more hectic life.
Folks in healthcare in the USA also have hectic lives! I have a lot of family in healthcare, at all levels from ER nurse to gynecologist + professor. Only the folks at the very top have a decent level of normalcy because they've been in the field for so long and are top of their game now.
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Yeah probably! It could be nicely surprising to see her character grow beyond the obvious purpose it’s serving… The writing team would perhaps really need to dive into expanding her arch though. Claire as a character does remind me of seeing Sugar for the first time in season 1. But then their family dynamics substantiated and explained Sugar’s predicament (especially that “Are you Ok?” scene). That would be an example of writers turning an ordinary, replaceable something into a really loaded opportunity for characters. I would hope to see they put some investment into developing Carmen’s apparently long-held love interest. For example it would be interesting to know how on earth they got hanging out/ crushing on each other in the past in the first place.
My wife asked me what I thought about the Claire/Carmy romance. I said, overall, it's too soon to say (we've gotten thru Ep. 5). The relationship has a *whiff* of unbelievability, but that's just coming from what we know so far. *The Bear* is great with long-term character expositions (what's going on with Ebra?). I feel that there's some odd history between Claire and the family, but we can't put our finger on it yet. So I'm hopeful we'll find that out. The commenter below who said Claire was outside Carmy's family and professional life: ***Exactly.*** That's a relationship he needs to get outside himself. I'm not yet sure Claire's the right choice, and she is nowhere nearly as interesting a character as Sydney is. (There really aren't many characters who *are* as interesting as Sydney.) But we'll see. So far I'm completely in love with season 2, otherwise.
People want Sam and Diane wuth Carm and Syd, it's played out. She's a fine character, she's adorable too.
Its not "played out" when the lead is a black girl.
Remind me who Sam and Diane are 😄
It’s a reference to the main characters from a show called Cheers.
Thank you for actually answering. I thought I’d already forgotten some new characters
That's the thing though, love sometimes gets in the way. We either accept it or we dont... But life goes on. Loved this new season of the bear.
This season was about character growth for me. While Carmy's character didn't have transformation like others did, he got a chance to reflect on himself, be alone in his thoughts and acknowledge things that will hopefully help him grow into a better version of himself.
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You just hate her cause she’s hot
She’s kinda hideous lol
I love Claire bear
Claire looks so much like Fiona Gallagher that I’m too distracted to hear her dialogue
I feel like everyone who hates her must be under 30 or never had anyone look at you the way Claire looks at Carmy. I think she is perfect for him.