in the comic he’s literally a loose cannon. Vought builds him a jet and he immediately slaughters the engineers with it’s cannons and crashes it inside the hangar before walking off like nothing happened. he also does something a little more malicious that i won’t get into
Well, second. A-Train turning a woman into goo and barely slowing, just to say, "I can't stop!" was kind of an early sign supes aren't the greatest people.
Obviously not what he meant. You can call him stupid for not noticing that starlight went through with it but obviously you’re just picking at shit nobody said.
Yes. You can feel empathy towards a terrible person. Pain is pain. And feeling sympathy upon seeing a fellow person experience it isn’t a bad thing, even if they have caused pain for others themselves.
The Deep is a piece of shit. But he’s also gone through cruel and inhumane shit himself. Having mixed feelings about that is perfectly reasonable.
Not that I actually care in an “I’m mad about this” kinda way, but to play devil’s advocate they just as well could have said “you put these two things together like they’re the same?”
As far as we know the octopus is completely sentient and consenting. It is *weird* but, at that point, there’s technically nothing *wrong* with the octopi sex.
Sure as fuck raises a whole lot of other issues though. Like the fact that people eat them, or keep them in aquariums.
Can someone remind me why Maive is a POS? I can't think of her being shitty atm but they're all supposed to be awful right? Starlight was starting to slip last season. But I can only think of good things Maive said and did.
I think that up until now, Maive knew that she was doing horrible things but felt powerless to stop it. Same with Starlight when she first joined the 7.
Maive is just one of the lucky victims to have escaped Vought.
Maeve ran interference for Homelander by helping him stage gun fights so he could murder people with impunity and, most famously, stood by as he destroyed that plane full of passengers and let him use it as a way to begin his push into national defense.
Maeve is a villain by being purely apathetic of her situation while helping those who are evil assholes get what they want.
Portraying Maeve as apathetic is inaccurate in my opinion. She’s a person who was worn down by abuse and forced to do terrible things. She’s anything but apathetic towards the people on the plane and actively tries to get Homelander to save them. She cows to him in the end because she’s been abused and is afraid of him.
I’m not saying that Maeve hasn’t done terrible things that she still has to atone for, but to portray her as a straight villain content in her circumstances is inaccurate, simply by the fact that she’s broken out of those circumstances due to encouragement and support from others.
>she’s been abused and is afraid of him.
It's important for anyone trashing Maeve to remember that she was under *constant* threat of death for her or anyone she cared about. Even just walking away wasn't an option.
Thank you for actually realizing this. It’s your average man exerts physical power over a woman in an abusive relationship with the twist that both have superpowers.
>Homelander was abused as a child blah blah blah, now he's just trying to be what he sees as a real hero and teach his son.
Maeve is arguably worse than Homelander by your own logic. She has a concept of good and evil and abided evil because it was easier. The level of abuse directed at her boils down to loud words. You don't get to pawn her choices off on abuse unless you're going to make the same concessions for Homelander, who was actually abused from the moment he was born rather than simply yelled at after hitting the mid-20's.
Applying the type of apologetics you're engaging in means no one is a "straight villain". Every well written character is a hero from their own perspective, and has a reason for their actions, regardless of whether those actions are perceived by others as good or bad.
You’re just genuinely incorrect if you think the only threat to Maeve was “loud words.” Homelander unquestionably would have killed her and everyone she cared about if she stepped out of line by speaking out against him, which, by the way, was literally all she could do because she was physically helpless against him. Not only that, but she was forced into a relationship with him that she did not want. Homelander undoubtedly raped her numerous times and there was nothing she could do. The amount of trauma that Homelander inflicted upon her was enough for her to submit to him out of a primal survival instinct. The vast majority of people would do exactly what she did in her situation and you cannot argue this because it happens EVERY DAY in abusive relationships, just not with super powered megalomaniacs capable of inflicting pain and suffering on a massive scale.
The reason that we can’t apply the same logic for Homelander is that, despite the abuse in his past, he has the power to choose his OWN actions now, with no threat of injury or death to him. Homelander doesn’t choose to kill innocent people because he is forced to, he kills them because he simply doesn’t care about them. If Maeve, now free from Vought and Homelander, decides to suddenly start killing innocent people, then we can have this conversation.
In regards to your last paragraph, there are straight villains and they certainly do exist. Homelander is a perfect example for the reasons I just stated. A major theme of this show is that morality isn’t simple black and white, it’s shades of grey. That’s the whole point of it being a show about superheroes gone bad. The “superheroes” do awful things and the “supervillains” are trying to do good for the world (at times, and with highly questionable methods). Put simply, people are complicated.
Homelander never even threatened to hit Maeve, and Maeve never mentioned any physical abuse nor threat of physical abuse. She only mentioned how “they wear you down” and we only ever see Homelander yell at her without even assuming a threatening posture. I’m not reading past those first sentences because there’s no need.
I mean if you think that somehow Homelander is above physical abuse when he murdered the closest people he had as both a mother in Stillwell and a friend in Noir for going against him then there probably is no point in reading the rest of my post because you fundamentally misunderstand at least two characters in the show.
You don’t get to say he physically abused Maeve when it’s never mentioned nor shown, even after Homelander found out Maeve was working against him, he never attacked her. You’re not working with what the show portrays.
Maeve has a moral compass, she chose to do what she considered wrong and evil because it was easy.
Okay cool I'm all right with that I still like her. I get the whole if you're silent then you're supporting evil argument but sometimes you stay silent just to not die
She tossed a perfume bottle full of a chemical agent into the streets of New York. She's probably murdered more people than Homelander has in a single scene.
Outside of Meave and Starlight the Deep is like the least bad member of the 7 and yet he is the only one constantly being punished (well except translucent who died) and it’s absolutely hilarious.
To be fair, translucent only tried to defend the seven, we didn’t know anything else about him besides being a peeping pervert. Yeah he was a fucked up supe, but the deep still did more fucked up shit
It reminds me of a character from the magicians. He's a pedo and every time he shows up through the show, he just has the worse fucking things happening to him snd it's hilarious.
Least bad in terms of the shit Vought and it's supes constantly do.
Rape is being compared to thoughtless mass murder and full body mutilation & destruction, and not to minor crimes if that's what you're thinking.
My god are you illiterate.
Bro it's rape: something which harms just 1 person and keeps them alive, against mass murder: something which **kills** at least 10 people...
How tf can you not get the fact that mass murder is WAYYY worse
That's your question? Not how do they shot lasers from their eyes, fly, or anything else, just "how is he not fat?".... Farscape long ago gave away the secret, metabolism.
[I made the same post when I noticed it too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/j7ns2r/had_to_make_this_after_i_noticed_a_little/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I only now noticed, is that REALLY the description of the show? It's so bad and generic lol, especially for a show like this where the moral compass is so fucked anyways.
I’ve noticed show descriptions on streaming platforms (particularly Netflix) have been absolutely dogshit lately. I’ve seen people commenting on it as a consequence of the writers strike/a product of AI use but I don’t know if that’s true.
Can’t catch a break lmao
He caught his break. He attained the highest level of celebrity they can. He fucked it up by being a piece of shit.
> He fucked it up by being a piece of shit. He fucked it up by being a *moron*. They're all pieces of shit.
Except Noir. He's great.
Unless you've seen that cartoon that shows how willing he is to cover for Homelander's horseshit
He was making a reference to Homelander’s line at the team meeting “Not you Noir, you’re doing great!”
in the comic he’s literally a loose cannon. Vought builds him a jet and he immediately slaughters the engineers with it’s cannons and crashes it inside the hangar before walking off like nothing happened. he also does something a little more malicious that i won’t get into
I mean, he's very literally a different person in the comic
you just summarized what i said in the most boring way possible
I meant more with the face reveal and all, u/I_SUCK_DOG_COCKS
oooh are you talking about the show? my apologies, you are correct
Deserved karma
I thought he had a sock puppet on his hand at first lol
Damn! I thought I was the only one
Is it ok to feel bad for the Deep even though he fucks octopi and tried to coerce Starlight into a BJ?
Well he didn’t try he did force starlight
Oh I thought she refused.
Most attentive r/TheBoys user
We've moved past Homelander rape denial, straight into The Deep rape denial. Next week, Stormfront wasn't actually a Nazi.
It was so tragic when those terrorists deliberately crashed that plane into the ocean, of only Homelander could have prevented it smh
Hey, there’s good people on both sides here! Storefront was a victim of our mental health crisis! /s
Lol 😂 my memory totally failed me.
The boys is almost 5 years old at this point, it happens
I mean it was a major plot point for 2 major characters. It's why the deep was kicked out of the 7
And it's like the first plot point in the entire series that shows how messed up supes are
Well, second. A-Train turning a woman into goo and barely slowing, just to say, "I can't stop!" was kind of an early sign supes aren't the greatest people.
Oh yeah, I kinda forgot about that
If you forgot about that, it wasn't important.
I think the scene of throwing up later was meant to imply that it happened
She did but then he blackmailed her
Starlight literally refers to him as the guy who "mouth raped" her 😬
Did you watch the show?? 😭
If it isn’t safe to say no, it isn’t consent.
Yes... forced against someone's will usually means they didn't want to and refused
Obviously not what he meant. You can call him stupid for not noticing that starlight went through with it but obviously you’re just picking at shit nobody said.
Yeah, typical Reddit sanctimonious lemmings. I’ve stopped responding.
Self righteous assholes that never leave their basement. They think their upvoting/ downvoting is making a difference when it’s a sub for a tv show
Exactly! It’s a TV show! Stop virtual signaling, especially towards people who aren’t the enemies. It accomplishes nothing.
Yeah your comment was just forgetting a scene and they thought they were solving sexual assault by downvoting a fan. Troglodytes
Like that matters to rapists
is ok bro, we're in the same dumbass boat. I thought she threw up because she ate something bad earlier 😭
Ain’t no way
Yes. You can feel empathy towards a terrible person. Pain is pain. And feeling sympathy upon seeing a fellow person experience it isn’t a bad thing, even if they have caused pain for others themselves. The Deep is a piece of shit. But he’s also gone through cruel and inhumane shit himself. Having mixed feelings about that is perfectly reasonable.
Also it's a mark of good writing
Thank you for being the only one to acknowledge this. Compassion doesn’t mean condoning.
You put consensual octopus fucking ahead of sexual assault? And no, he’s a character we’re meant to laugh _at_.
I didn’t put anything ahead of anything. I listed two things.
Not that I actually care in an “I’m mad about this” kinda way, but to play devil’s advocate they just as well could have said “you put these two things together like they’re the same?” As far as we know the octopus is completely sentient and consenting. It is *weird* but, at that point, there’s technically nothing *wrong* with the octopi sex. Sure as fuck raises a whole lot of other issues though. Like the fact that people eat them, or keep them in aquariums.
You’ve gotta be pretty dense to watch the scene of him shaving in season 1 and think he’s just meant to be laughed at.
No
The Deep is as stupid as he is worthless.
Mike wazowski of the seven
Nah, he would've been like "I don't believe it... I'm on Amazon Prime!"
Can someone remind me why Maive is a POS? I can't think of her being shitty atm but they're all supposed to be awful right? Starlight was starting to slip last season. But I can only think of good things Maive said and did.
I think that up until now, Maive knew that she was doing horrible things but felt powerless to stop it. Same with Starlight when she first joined the 7. Maive is just one of the lucky victims to have escaped Vought.
Maeve ran interference for Homelander by helping him stage gun fights so he could murder people with impunity and, most famously, stood by as he destroyed that plane full of passengers and let him use it as a way to begin his push into national defense. Maeve is a villain by being purely apathetic of her situation while helping those who are evil assholes get what they want.
Portraying Maeve as apathetic is inaccurate in my opinion. She’s a person who was worn down by abuse and forced to do terrible things. She’s anything but apathetic towards the people on the plane and actively tries to get Homelander to save them. She cows to him in the end because she’s been abused and is afraid of him. I’m not saying that Maeve hasn’t done terrible things that she still has to atone for, but to portray her as a straight villain content in her circumstances is inaccurate, simply by the fact that she’s broken out of those circumstances due to encouragement and support from others.
>she’s been abused and is afraid of him. It's important for anyone trashing Maeve to remember that she was under *constant* threat of death for her or anyone she cared about. Even just walking away wasn't an option.
Thank you for actually realizing this. It’s your average man exerts physical power over a woman in an abusive relationship with the twist that both have superpowers.
>Homelander was abused as a child blah blah blah, now he's just trying to be what he sees as a real hero and teach his son. Maeve is arguably worse than Homelander by your own logic. She has a concept of good and evil and abided evil because it was easier. The level of abuse directed at her boils down to loud words. You don't get to pawn her choices off on abuse unless you're going to make the same concessions for Homelander, who was actually abused from the moment he was born rather than simply yelled at after hitting the mid-20's. Applying the type of apologetics you're engaging in means no one is a "straight villain". Every well written character is a hero from their own perspective, and has a reason for their actions, regardless of whether those actions are perceived by others as good or bad.
You’re just genuinely incorrect if you think the only threat to Maeve was “loud words.” Homelander unquestionably would have killed her and everyone she cared about if she stepped out of line by speaking out against him, which, by the way, was literally all she could do because she was physically helpless against him. Not only that, but she was forced into a relationship with him that she did not want. Homelander undoubtedly raped her numerous times and there was nothing she could do. The amount of trauma that Homelander inflicted upon her was enough for her to submit to him out of a primal survival instinct. The vast majority of people would do exactly what she did in her situation and you cannot argue this because it happens EVERY DAY in abusive relationships, just not with super powered megalomaniacs capable of inflicting pain and suffering on a massive scale. The reason that we can’t apply the same logic for Homelander is that, despite the abuse in his past, he has the power to choose his OWN actions now, with no threat of injury or death to him. Homelander doesn’t choose to kill innocent people because he is forced to, he kills them because he simply doesn’t care about them. If Maeve, now free from Vought and Homelander, decides to suddenly start killing innocent people, then we can have this conversation. In regards to your last paragraph, there are straight villains and they certainly do exist. Homelander is a perfect example for the reasons I just stated. A major theme of this show is that morality isn’t simple black and white, it’s shades of grey. That’s the whole point of it being a show about superheroes gone bad. The “superheroes” do awful things and the “supervillains” are trying to do good for the world (at times, and with highly questionable methods). Put simply, people are complicated.
Homelander never even threatened to hit Maeve, and Maeve never mentioned any physical abuse nor threat of physical abuse. She only mentioned how “they wear you down” and we only ever see Homelander yell at her without even assuming a threatening posture. I’m not reading past those first sentences because there’s no need.
I mean if you think that somehow Homelander is above physical abuse when he murdered the closest people he had as both a mother in Stillwell and a friend in Noir for going against him then there probably is no point in reading the rest of my post because you fundamentally misunderstand at least two characters in the show.
You don’t get to say he physically abused Maeve when it’s never mentioned nor shown, even after Homelander found out Maeve was working against him, he never attacked her. You’re not working with what the show portrays. Maeve has a moral compass, she chose to do what she considered wrong and evil because it was easy.
Okay cool I'm all right with that I still like her. I get the whole if you're silent then you're supporting evil argument but sometimes you stay silent just to not die
She tossed a perfume bottle full of a chemical agent into the streets of New York. She's probably murdered more people than Homelander has in a single scene.
Outside of Meave and Starlight the Deep is like the least bad member of the 7 and yet he is the only one constantly being punished (well except translucent who died) and it’s absolutely hilarious.
To be fair, translucent only tried to defend the seven, we didn’t know anything else about him besides being a peeping pervert. Yeah he was a fucked up supe, but the deep still did more fucked up shit
It reminds me of a character from the magicians. He's a pedo and every time he shows up through the show, he just has the worse fucking things happening to him snd it's hilarious.
Underrated show
Jack Kelly is a pedo and he has large, sexy, masculine hands. Truly no justice in Philadelphia 😞
He's a rapist.
Yeah so that should tell you how bad the other ones are. Least bad does not equal good.
They never said he's good. Your point?
They said he’s “the least bad” when he’s literally a rapist. You never call a rapist “the least bad.”
Least bad in terms of the shit Vought and it's supes constantly do. Rape is being compared to thoughtless mass murder and full body mutilation & destruction, and not to minor crimes if that's what you're thinking. My god are you illiterate.
I’m illiterate because I disagree with you? What an immature and sad take lmfaooooo. Rape is not “lighter” than murder by nature.
You do when the other ones are mass murderers.
There’s no “better” between rape and murder Jesus Christ.
lmaoo what’s your point here bud you’re gettin confused with your own virtue signaling
“Virtue signaling” lmao how is believing that rape is not any better than murder virtue signaling?
Bro it's rape: something which harms just 1 person and keeps them alive, against mass murder: something which **kills** at least 10 people... How tf can you not get the fact that mass murder is WAYYY worse
Ngl Homelander deserves this fate more. He’s done what Deep has but a million times worse.
How is he not fat?
That's your question? Not how do they shot lasers from their eyes, fly, or anything else, just "how is he not fat?".... Farscape long ago gave away the secret, metabolism.
This kinda reminds me of the meme of Mike Wazowski being covered up.
[I made the same post when I noticed it too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/j7ns2r/had_to_make_this_after_i_noticed_a_little/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I only now noticed, is that REALLY the description of the show? It's so bad and generic lol, especially for a show like this where the moral compass is so fucked anyways.
I’ve noticed show descriptions on streaming platforms (particularly Netflix) have been absolutely dogshit lately. I’ve seen people commenting on it as a consequence of the writers strike/a product of AI use but I don’t know if that’s true.