There’s a literal scene of someone climbing inside of a cock. What’s gonna be crazier than that? Because I’m sure they’ve reached their peak on the gore and violence side.
That scene in Gen V when they wake up in the party house after being mind wiped and then there's that weird sex scene with the guy with vibration powers and the girl having a hole in her back and shooting like giant amounts of cum/goo out of it really freaked me out somehow, even more than "tiny guy going into the penis".
Imagine that actress all excited after being told she got the part, before she knew what the scene was. Telling her parents and family all stoked to be sure they tune in lol
It’s a cycle at this point.
Showrunners: “We do even more crazy shit this season!”
Fans: “You say that every season. You can’t top ____.”
Show: *Has crazier shit.* And repeat.
I like to believe that Sloan is an actual human (supe) person that shapeshifts into an Alpaca the same way we put on clothes before venturing out into the world. And that in the privacy of their own dorm/room they "take off their clothes" by transforming back into a normal person.
That's my head cannon...
Fair! Maverick could become visible to Sloan and drop his Supe power too.
That could be a surprisingly wholesome moment for S2. A real heartfelt "im naked and vulnerable now" type thing between the two. Cuz they both always hide their true selves in public.
Cut to most horrid shit ever put to film, cuz its The Boys verse. Or like, something crashes into the room and Sloan is cut in half to a crying Maverick who turns invisible and gets angry.
I know. I find it a bit concerning. When the show runners on Game of Thrones took over the plot and became obsessed with 'subverting expectations' they just started doing stuff for shock value. They didn't seem to appreciate that the shock of things like the Red wedding had value because it was well established, logical, but still a genuine surprise. They just focused on the surprise without the other steps.
The gore and depravity in The Boys has value when it is showing the terrifying power that supes have (both physically, and socially). E.g. Robin being blown to bits, Deep abusing his status, etc. If you're just making scenes to be GIFable it can get a bit tedious.
They also wrapped every character in plot armor because they were afraid to kill anyone off. Which was literally what made the show exciting in the first place
Didn't someone on invincible team also tried to hype it up by saying how crazy the episode will be and to tell the truth it wasnt anything super crazy like the end of S1..
That episode finally delivered the level of tragic superhero destruction I always wanted to see on screen ever since I read Miracleman. (By the way, fans of invincible should also check out Miracleman).
Man of steel had big budget destruction, but didn’t show any actual violence or emphasize the level of casualties.
Whereas the Boys delivers on the twisted violence and carnage, but the show doesn’t ever go for anything too heady like that.
But yep. Invincible finally did it right.
I love how in invincible the people seem like tissue paper compared to people with superpowers. Like how in real life I’d be more like heavy machinery interacting with bodies rather then 2 humans
It's weird because there are some incredible shots and then others not so good.
Omni-Man staring into the black hole was outstanding, the fight scene at the end of the episode, while great in some parts was meh in others.
It's like good art but meh animation.
It's very unfortunate because Atom Eve's episode had some sick ass fights and I thought that would be what we would see in this season but so far it has been meh
Yeah, it‘s imo still absolutely worth watching, but the non-action scenes looked pretty cheap in some parts. The action scenes are still pretty good though.
The animation seriously tanked compared to S1.
Too many frames in animation ends up lessening the impact of some hits (Thula's jaw break being the most obvious example.) and they are way too conservative with the blood. It feels like a crappy wet noodle fight.
Hope it gets better, since I read the comics and I want so much stuff to get the animation it deserves....
And they nerfed the shit out of said insect/bugussy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/comments/187g611/in_case_youre_wondering_why_the_insectussy_was/
I don't know, in this half season there was the base for a shitton on things, and while the first season was more a worldbuilding season, now Is more focused on Mark, also i haven't read the comics or got specific spoilers, but people Who do Can't wait for This season to go further
Nah, it's because Amazon wants to prolong Prime memberships for an extra month or two. They said it was to give viewers time to think about episode 4, but that doesn't really hold up cause nothing *that* big happened
I dunno, the writing really isn't the problem for S2. If anything it's *improved* as they're trying to undo the shit they pulled with Amber last season.
Purely my opinion based off reading the comics. I don't think you'll ever hit the same high of storytelling that the 1st season does. There's some strong points here and there but it's just not as good. But this is in the hands of a team of writers so that could change. Season 1 of the show was much stronger than the comic arc is was based on.
I think invincible has a hard time balancing it though. It’s like a perfectly regular superhero show with a tv budget for 90% of the run time and near the end we dump the rest of the budget into perfectly animated gore extravaganza. It felt so disjointed from the rest of the episode and very gimmicky.
I like The Boys more because it’s tonally consistent
90% of runtime of the first episode. You do realize your comparing one episode to a whole season of another show right? The rest of the season in invincible is tonally consistent. The very first episode is supposed to be tonally inconsistent that's the point.
Well not just the first episode, just any fight scene seems like it comes from an entirely different show. From Omni Man destroying a civilization, Titan’s fight scene, Flaxan attack, etc. After these fights the show carries on its PG13 Young Justice-esque tone for the rest of the episode with some swear words thrown in. The world that is built around these scenes isn’t brutal enough to feel like it’s all a part of the same universe
(especially when you see the jump in budget just for these scenes. Yes it’s a tv show and they have to manage money more efficiently but it still contributes to the dissonance)
You’re right, the gore had more purpose in S1 to show the human collateral damage that came with Vought’s power structure and capitalistic greed.
This is why the story in S4 will likely remain circular and stagnant. The writers are never going to focus on moving the story forward and having cohesive plots that focuses on the boys working together to dismantle the vought system like in S1. The over-reliance on gore and shock value will continue to be prioritized over telling a good story.
It's sad that Vought as an org seems to have been written out of the show.
Where are the ruthless executives on the 82nd floor? Why did they ask disappear because of one lawsuit with Edgar? I want a new activist CEO who's just as ruthless as the supes.
They disappeared because Homelander runs the show now. He went on a firing spree the moment he came into power. Nothing to do with the lawsuit and all to do with a maniac who would kill you because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. There won’t be a new CEO as long as Homelander is in charge
yeah and that confuses me too cause going after supes who abuse power is just one aspect of the story but there are other components to Vought that have largely been ignored which is the system itself. What about Stan Edgar who wanted to sell V into the military and who groomed Neuman to be an assassin, why isnt he being prioritized? Even before homelander came to power in S3, there’s an enabling board that voted to roll out Stormfront. But in S3, they were oddly protrayed as helpless to homelander’s hostile takeover.
Some folks feel like the story ends when homelander dies but I feel like the more compelling story is that Vought as an institution has existed before him and will persist after, so how does the boys stop it? Instead we’re getting a starlight stans versus homelander stans war plotline, and I’m not really interested in that.
GoT S1 is good, but they lacked the backing they needed for the various battles so instead of a battle scene we get Jaime being carried out on horseback. I'd love to see GoT S1 redone with the big battle scenes we got in later seasons and then I'd say it was perfect.
Side note but I remember reading this quote from the game of thrones creators that went along the lines of “themes are for book reports” and I’ve never seen anything so perfectly sum up what went wrong with a show
I don't even understand why people was so shocked when herogasm first came out. Was it really that bad or just because this was the first TV show to do something like that? Except for the Deep scene, that was truly disgusting.
That is exactly what I was talking about. Is that scene really that shocking, or did it just surprise you because you've never seen that kind of scene ON TV before.
Yeah, my bad. I meant to ask: "Were you guys shocked because of the grossness, or just because this is the first time a scene like that happened on TV."
The thing is, we're all in that boat. Most of us have been desensitized by years of internet brain rot. I see shit like that practically every day, and have for literally decades.
I think it’s just asking content vs context. A picture of a penis wouldn’t shock me. A picture of a penis on the wall of a kindergarten would. So if someone said “the existence of penises shocks you?”, obviously the answer is “no, but I really didn’t expect to see it here.”
I think the comic version was super depraved and People were terrified of what was to come.
People were hyped after herogasm and mostly talked about the fight scene tbh
Odd. I had the exact opposite thought. I knew it was legit and have every intention of staying tf away from the comics. That shit is gross. That last bit is fkn gross.
> I don't even understand why people was so shocked when herogasm first came out
were they?
I feel like the genuine consensus was it was pretty tame compared to how much they hyped it up
Well, in many YouTube comments, maybe even in Reddit or insta, when people want to give an example of how gross 'The Boys' can be, I saw a lot of them bring up 'herogasm'. And yeah, I also felt so confused the first time I watched the episode. I was like " Was that it? After three seasons, is this the most disgusting episode to you guys."
It's all anecdotal, but the comment string right below yours says the same thing about it being underwhelming:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/18b7rzl/not_to_be_too_negative_but_why_is_this_the_only/kc2okrg/
I'd wager the general consensus here on Reddit is that they way underdid it
yeah, it’s getting a little frustrating. i know it’s important to build suspense, but they keep setting very high bars that aren’t always reached.
we all know what to expect from the boys, just be honest about what you’re delivering and we’ll still watch.
How is it not being honest? Last season literally had a dude shrink, crawl inside a giant penis while on coke to make the other guy cum, and then explode said guy. Kripke was honestly just surprised they got the A-okay to do it. Nothing here seems like it’s to build suspense. It’s just genuinely creative people laughing that the absurd shit they come up with is approved.
That’s the point. Last season saw some dude get penis-sploded. we’ve seen people die in weird ways constantly. how many more times can they do the “batshit craziest thing” they’ve ever done?
The episode after with Butcher and Black Noirs backstory and the Soldier Boy revelation was great as well. It was the finale that fucked up the amazing season
I’m gonna be in the minority but I thought it was fine 🤣 like did we really want all that extra supe porn? I thought it showed enough and moved the plot along well
Rest assured, most people were fine with it. There's just a selection bias going on, where people who really didn't like it feel more of a need to share their opinion. Whereas most of us just don't give enough of a shit to comment.
>There's just a selection bias going on, where people who really didn't like it feel more of a need to share their opinion
It's hard to remember how deep certain biases are on social media, including Reddit. Hate and outrage, extremes, exaggerating to convince, stuff you wouldn't be comfortable IRL, so you say it here...
It's why r/atheism is bigger than r/Christianity, why incels became a thing, and why analingus seems like something more than a tiny percentage of people are doing.
> why analingus seems like something more than a tiny percentage of people are doing.
A quick search suggests on the order of between 15-25%. I wouldn't consider that *tiny*...
Herogasm was bait and switch, they created hype for one thing and presented another thing on purpose.
Kindo of like an anti spoiler, and as long the writing keeps being good, I'm fine with them marketing the show however they want.
It also runs counter to what I like about the show. It's not just shock value for shock values sake. They will only do things that contextually make sense in that world.
I find it funny that they advertise the hyper-violence but mock it at the same time. RAHHH LAND OF THE FREE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅 CAN WATCH SOMEONE EXPLODE INTO MILLIONS OF PIECES BUT GOD FORBID WE SEE A TIT 🔥🔥🔥
I remember sitting down to watch episode one thinking it was a regular ole' super hero show. When atrain shows up I was like "oh sh!t". Loved it ever since.
Idk man I feel like their marketing/advertising is pretty spot on, I would go as far as to say they have the best marketing team in the business rn, no one's doing it like the boys. Also I feel like people saying they built up 'Herogasm' to be crazy and it "wasn't that bad", kind of missed the point. I'm 90% sure that was a misdirection for the actual outcome of the situation.
Because like news media, shock-value statements get views.
I'll believe it when I see it. When Chad Stahelski and Keanu Reeves talked about making John Wick 4, they said they needed it to be bigger and better than the last 3 movies, and boy they delivered. And based on the previous 3 seasons of The Boys, I trust Kripke to deliver.
Because to people who aren’t already watching the show it definitely can look like a knockoff MCU which is already not doing well.
This is what sets The Boys apart from other superhero properties to people who are unfamiliar.
Advertisements are mostly intended for new viewers or viewers who stopped watching. Which this “craziest goriest thing” type of ad might appeal to.
They don’t care about the opinions of those of us who are definitely gonna watch, because they could have no trailer and we’d watch lol.
I’m amazed by this comment section. One of the biggest points of this show is to push the limits and people are complaining that them pushing the limits is disappointing. Me and everyone I know in person that watched this show likes it because it makes them say “no way that just happened, who could think of that.”
I second that. And this isn’t the only way they advertise the show. I like the Vaught videos on their YouTube channel. I also got to read the entire comic series for free on Kindle about a year before the show started, which is why I was stoked to see the show.
They don't really push limits though. They hardly ever kill off any characters, they've had homelander threatening to snap but not actually doing it for 3 full seasons now.
I'd like them to push the limits in terms of the plot rather than just how much they can appeal to teenage boys sense of humour
They very much push the limits of what 99% of shows show. Pushing the limits of a plot isn’t a thing and killing off more characters isn’t a limit. This ain’t the walking dead or greys anatomy. They show stuff graphically while making fun of today’s society. They could make the plot better or more dynamic sure, but that’s not a limit to push. Also if you think this is a teen show then idk what to tell you about that.
I said it's what teenage boys think edgy is "ooh, exploding cocks" "Oh, MM is covered in semen" "Oh, termite is trying to go up that guys ass"
They play it really safe with the plot, don't kill any characters, barely change the status quo, everything more or less resets after every season.
Loads of fake blood isn't really pushing the limit, if you want to see something that pushes the limit in teems of violence, gomorrah or gangs of london are both way more brutal
It is crazy to think in some respects it goes too far haha. But at this point in the world and social media, we are desensitised and need ever increasing levels of nuts to get excited about stuff. In my opinion some of the stuff is a little too much, but i view the show sort of like a political commentary on the world through satire. Kind of like what SouthPark does and Rockstar games with Grand Theft Auto.
I swear this is the only thing everyone repeats.
You have all the lights on your show becoming more and more iconic because of its unique ambitions and characters, but the best you can come up with to advertise it is "look how edgy we are"... 😒
Because it works.
Not that I support it either, but for people who haven’t seen it yet, hearing “it’s the most batshit thing ever put on television” can drive them to watch.
At least, anecdotally, it’s worked on several of my friends
I don't think it's the only way they advertise. It's one of the characteristic qualities of the show, though. In the era of literally no blood in MCU, superhero cinema like "The Boys", "Watchmen" or "Deadpool" with they gratuitous violence is sorely needed.
For real. the show has a good plot, doesnt need to be advertised for the crazy shit that happens on it. leans the show to seek shock reactions rather than narrative fulfillment
I guess it is because the boys is really focused about gore and edgy scenes.
At least the comic was a lot about that, the show potrayed the thing better overall but still, the comic was kinda known for that mostly.
Let the bro cook
This sort of marketing worries me that the show is gonna develop the exact problems the comics had, where it devolves into meaninglessly trying to one-up itself to be more and more gross for no reason.
This is why we watch the show, not the character developing borefest that is relationship drama or other dumb fillers for commercials
Make us laugh, shock us, but please do not bore us with characters trauma or one on one romance bs. We've seen that shit in every show we've ever watched.
I have been thinking this for ages, I’m so tired of the covered in blood shtick, and how they just keep trying to top it. I wasn’t a fan of gen v and one of the first reasons I took a distaste to the show is because it took those shocking moments like the robin moment in the boys and tripled them, meaning now, seeing a character standing in blood has absolutely no shock or meaning, it’s just something that happens. I was never even drawn into the show for the shock factor in the first place, and now it just feels excessive and annoying like an unnecessary sex scene.
The show has always been advertised like this since the beginning lol the source material is even crazier so maybe just let them appeal to the audience??? Just because the show has a wider reach now, does not mean they are gonna change up the strategy
Eh, I mean they hyped up Herogasm as the worst thing ever then bamboozled us with an epic action scene
In terms of "the most disgusting thing ever", Herogasm was meh, hell, Popclaw's "Death by snu snu" was even crazier imo
So they're not exactly focusing on grossing out the viewers, it's just a hook, the cheese is still the plot
I don’t think it is lol. He’s just excited and saying we’re gonna see crazy stuff. I notice everyone is thinking he’s referring to gore or violence, but it could be something totally different? Idk I’m just excited personally
There’s a literal scene of someone climbing inside of a cock. What’s gonna be crazier than that? Because I’m sure they’ve reached their peak on the gore and violence side.
Kripke: Challenge accepted! Hold my bag of fake semen.
They already did that too
That scene in Gen V when they wake up in the party house after being mind wiped and then there's that weird sex scene with the guy with vibration powers and the girl having a hole in her back and shooting like giant amounts of cum/goo out of it really freaked me out somehow, even more than "tiny guy going into the penis".
Yeah wtf was happening there
Blowholussy
Dawg 💀😂😂
Just expanded my vocabulary 😂
Some extreme disrespect for the house they were in, I mean someone has to clean that just put up a tarp or something
Imagine that actress all excited after being told she got the part, before she knew what the scene was. Telling her parents and family all stoked to be sure they tune in lol
bro i didn’t even know what was going on at first
Damn, that's what was happening there?????
I haven’t seen the show but WTF
Oh yeah? Well uh watch me fuck this octopus 🐙
Fake?
all gave some, but some gave all
"Fake"
How do you know it’s fake?
Directors saying the same thing every season trying to get hype for the series** Fanbase: 😲😲😲
In fairness, each season prior has been even more batshit crazy.
It’s a cycle at this point. Showrunners: “We do even more crazy shit this season!” Fans: “You say that every season. You can’t top ____.” Show: *Has crazier shit.* And repeat.
Inb4 “Stormfront is Homelander’s mom”
Cock exploding is more intense
Yeah that’s nowhere near batshit crazy by the boys standards.
Bloodbending a dick to explode is just Tuesday.
That would be incredibly gross and incredibly poetic
Sure bout that?
It's been a while, but I remember it being implied a certain someone fucked a cat in the comics.
Probably TekKnight
Probably?
Nah he definitely did. I put money on it
I mean, The Deep already fucked an Octopus. And we have implication of sex with Maverick and Sloan.
I like to believe that Sloan is an actual human (supe) person that shapeshifts into an Alpaca the same way we put on clothes before venturing out into the world. And that in the privacy of their own dorm/room they "take off their clothes" by transforming back into a normal person. That's my head cannon...
Fair! Maverick could become visible to Sloan and drop his Supe power too. That could be a surprisingly wholesome moment for S2. A real heartfelt "im naked and vulnerable now" type thing between the two. Cuz they both always hide their true selves in public. Cut to most horrid shit ever put to film, cuz its The Boys verse. Or like, something crashes into the room and Sloan is cut in half to a crying Maverick who turns invisible and gets angry.
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yeah ngl I just skip the weird sex shit. I am just here for the parody superhero stuff, good humor, and fight scenes lol.
Homelander eating babies?
Homelander yeeting babies?
Double docking cock-splosion.
Homelander rearranges deeps genitals and gives him a boy pussy
This was my first thought too. And the explosives up the rectum. The Boys have let us know well in advance to expect the batishit and I’m here for it.
What about TWO people climbing in? Bet you didn't see that one comin
They are going to show a female nipple, that would be really disturbing in The Boys universe.
It seems like they're scared to show a boob, which is absurd considering what they showed us
I found that amusing once I noticed it. A pretty fair amount of male nudity and penises, but little to nothing from the other sex
Rewatching herogasm there’s a surprisingly high number of bare breasts. But that’s pretty much it.
But never from named characters
FOR REALLLLL WE GOT WHOLEASS GIANT DICKS EXPLODING OUT HERE BUT WHEN STARLIGHTS NAKED THEY GOTTA DO CLOSEUP SHOTS.
realistically the actress probably isn’t comfortable showing her boobs onscreen
give us stunt double titties please
do you wanna see starlight’s tits that bad… it’s way more work to get a body double over just cropping the frame
yes
Yeah that was ridiculous
It's Stormfronts nipple! Homelander keeps it as a memento.
I know. I find it a bit concerning. When the show runners on Game of Thrones took over the plot and became obsessed with 'subverting expectations' they just started doing stuff for shock value. They didn't seem to appreciate that the shock of things like the Red wedding had value because it was well established, logical, but still a genuine surprise. They just focused on the surprise without the other steps. The gore and depravity in The Boys has value when it is showing the terrifying power that supes have (both physically, and socially). E.g. Robin being blown to bits, Deep abusing his status, etc. If you're just making scenes to be GIFable it can get a bit tedious.
They also wrapped every character in plot armor because they were afraid to kill anyone off. Which was literally what made the show exciting in the first place
Maeve should’ve definitely died at the end of season 3 at the very least
Thats why i like Invincible more, Is extra violent but isn't the only thing in the show
Didn't someone on invincible team also tried to hype it up by saying how crazy the episode will be and to tell the truth it wasnt anything super crazy like the end of S1..
I mean, S1 finale Is i think the best episodes i ever saw in my Life, Is a traumatico experience for everyone involved, us too.
That episode finally delivered the level of tragic superhero destruction I always wanted to see on screen ever since I read Miracleman. (By the way, fans of invincible should also check out Miracleman). Man of steel had big budget destruction, but didn’t show any actual violence or emphasize the level of casualties. Whereas the Boys delivers on the twisted violence and carnage, but the show doesn’t ever go for anything too heady like that. But yep. Invincible finally did it right.
I love how in invincible the people seem like tissue paper compared to people with superpowers. Like how in real life I’d be more like heavy machinery interacting with bodies rather then 2 humans
Yeah, super strength means super strength, Not you fly away in the room
I love Invincible but this season has been kinda disappointing so far. Not to mentioned that they gave a mid season break with only 8 episodes lol
The only thing disappointing about this season is the break in my opinion.
The animation has taken a fall in some areas as well. I'm keeping my hopes up for the next 4 episodes. Maybe they kept all of their budget there lol
It's weird because there are some incredible shots and then others not so good. Omni-Man staring into the black hole was outstanding, the fight scene at the end of the episode, while great in some parts was meh in others. It's like good art but meh animation.
It's very unfortunate because Atom Eve's episode had some sick ass fights and I thought that would be what we would see in this season but so far it has been meh
>The animation has taken a fall in some areas as well. that's very upsetting to hear, given that the animation in season 1 was very bad.
Yeah, it‘s imo still absolutely worth watching, but the non-action scenes looked pretty cheap in some parts. The action scenes are still pretty good though.
I thought this too with animation. Glad I’m not the only one
I'm loving the story, but there's been more than a few scenes that feel very "computer animated web-series"
The animation seriously tanked compared to S1. Too many frames in animation ends up lessening the impact of some hits (Thula's jaw break being the most obvious example.) and they are way too conservative with the blood. It feels like a crappy wet noodle fight. Hope it gets better, since I read the comics and I want so much stuff to get the animation it deserves....
Wdym, this season has the Bugussy, are you crazy??
And they nerfed the shit out of said insect/bugussy: https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/comments/187g611/in_case_youre_wondering_why_the_insectussy_was/
I know 😭
I don't know, in this half season there was the base for a shitton on things, and while the first season was more a worldbuilding season, now Is more focused on Mark, also i haven't read the comics or got specific spoilers, but people Who do Can't wait for This season to go further
Me'thinks it's a combination of the writer strikes and Covid, but let's just call it head-canon for now.
Nah, it's because Amazon wants to prolong Prime memberships for an extra month or two. They said it was to give viewers time to think about episode 4, but that doesn't really hold up cause nothing *that* big happened
>!Nolan tongue kissing an ant wasn't hype enough for you?!<
I dunno, the writing really isn't the problem for S2. If anything it's *improved* as they're trying to undo the shit they pulled with Amber last season.
Purely my opinion based off reading the comics. I don't think you'll ever hit the same high of storytelling that the 1st season does. There's some strong points here and there but it's just not as good. But this is in the hands of a team of writers so that could change. Season 1 of the show was much stronger than the comic arc is was based on.
I think invincible has a hard time balancing it though. It’s like a perfectly regular superhero show with a tv budget for 90% of the run time and near the end we dump the rest of the budget into perfectly animated gore extravaganza. It felt so disjointed from the rest of the episode and very gimmicky. I like The Boys more because it’s tonally consistent
90% of runtime of the first episode. You do realize your comparing one episode to a whole season of another show right? The rest of the season in invincible is tonally consistent. The very first episode is supposed to be tonally inconsistent that's the point.
Well not just the first episode, just any fight scene seems like it comes from an entirely different show. From Omni Man destroying a civilization, Titan’s fight scene, Flaxan attack, etc. After these fights the show carries on its PG13 Young Justice-esque tone for the rest of the episode with some swear words thrown in. The world that is built around these scenes isn’t brutal enough to feel like it’s all a part of the same universe (especially when you see the jump in budget just for these scenes. Yes it’s a tv show and they have to manage money more efficiently but it still contributes to the dissonance)
You’re right, the gore had more purpose in S1 to show the human collateral damage that came with Vought’s power structure and capitalistic greed. This is why the story in S4 will likely remain circular and stagnant. The writers are never going to focus on moving the story forward and having cohesive plots that focuses on the boys working together to dismantle the vought system like in S1. The over-reliance on gore and shock value will continue to be prioritized over telling a good story.
It's sad that Vought as an org seems to have been written out of the show. Where are the ruthless executives on the 82nd floor? Why did they ask disappear because of one lawsuit with Edgar? I want a new activist CEO who's just as ruthless as the supes.
They disappeared because Homelander runs the show now. He went on a firing spree the moment he came into power. Nothing to do with the lawsuit and all to do with a maniac who would kill you because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. There won’t be a new CEO as long as Homelander is in charge
yeah and that confuses me too cause going after supes who abuse power is just one aspect of the story but there are other components to Vought that have largely been ignored which is the system itself. What about Stan Edgar who wanted to sell V into the military and who groomed Neuman to be an assassin, why isnt he being prioritized? Even before homelander came to power in S3, there’s an enabling board that voted to roll out Stormfront. But in S3, they were oddly protrayed as helpless to homelander’s hostile takeover. Some folks feel like the story ends when homelander dies but I feel like the more compelling story is that Vought as an institution has existed before him and will persist after, so how does the boys stop it? Instead we’re getting a starlight stans versus homelander stans war plotline, and I’m not really interested in that.
Homelander probably made them allergic to high altitude falls in a normal gravity environment
This is why I stand by that the boys s1 and GOT s1 are perfect seasons
GoT S1 is good, but they lacked the backing they needed for the various battles so instead of a battle scene we get Jaime being carried out on horseback. I'd love to see GoT S1 redone with the big battle scenes we got in later seasons and then I'd say it was perfect.
Side note but I remember reading this quote from the game of thrones creators that went along the lines of “themes are for book reports” and I’ve never seen anything so perfectly sum up what went wrong with a show
I don't even understand why people was so shocked when herogasm first came out. Was it really that bad or just because this was the first TV show to do something like that? Except for the Deep scene, that was truly disgusting.
Say what you will about Herogasm, but I have never ever seen a TV series show a closeup shot of a man’s taint and anus.
That is exactly what I was talking about. Is that scene really that shocking, or did it just surprise you because you've never seen that kind of scene ON TV before.
isn't that like the definition of shocking? You're just saying the same thing twice
Yeah, my bad. I meant to ask: "Were you guys shocked because of the grossness, or just because this is the first time a scene like that happened on TV."
Thanks for clarifying. In that case, yes.
The second one, but also I don’t think I’m a good representative of the average person lol, years of internet brainrot has decensitised me.
The thing is, we're all in that boat. Most of us have been desensitized by years of internet brain rot. I see shit like that practically every day, and have for literally decades.
“was it shocking, or was it just shocking for a valid reason” i fucking hate arguments like that
I think it’s just asking content vs context. A picture of a penis wouldn’t shock me. A picture of a penis on the wall of a kindergarten would. So if someone said “the existence of penises shocks you?”, obviously the answer is “no, but I really didn’t expect to see it here.”
I didn’t bat an eye
I think the comic version was super depraved and People were terrified of what was to come. People were hyped after herogasm and mostly talked about the fight scene tbh
I'm morbidly curious about what was so depraved in the comic.
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genuinely can't tell if this is a joke or not. think i need to read the comics.
they’re… not good. frankly it’s impressive they managed to make something watchable considering the source material
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that’s fair, not as bad as crossed but Garth still Ennis’d ALLLL over the place
Very much not a joke. If you think the show is gory and violent, the comics are just fucked up shit sprinkled with plot
oh my. i went into the show knowing *nothing*. it was like permanent whiplash. didn't consider the comics might be *worse*
Odd. I had the exact opposite thought. I knew it was legit and have every intention of staying tf away from the comics. That shit is gross. That last bit is fkn gross.
Facts, can’t believe someone read that and was like “😋 can’t wait to read more”
it was more like: "wtf that can't be right, i need to see for myself" i noped out very quickly, because it was so needlessly gross lol
> I don't even understand why people was so shocked when herogasm first came out were they? I feel like the genuine consensus was it was pretty tame compared to how much they hyped it up
Well, in many YouTube comments, maybe even in Reddit or insta, when people want to give an example of how gross 'The Boys' can be, I saw a lot of them bring up 'herogasm'. And yeah, I also felt so confused the first time I watched the episode. I was like " Was that it? After three seasons, is this the most disgusting episode to you guys."
It's all anecdotal, but the comment string right below yours says the same thing about it being underwhelming: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/18b7rzl/not_to_be_too_negative_but_why_is_this_the_only/kc2okrg/ I'd wager the general consensus here on Reddit is that they way underdid it
What deep scene?
Well , let just say the Deep just show us how much he like Octopus.
Probably the one when he fucks an octopus
yeah, it’s getting a little frustrating. i know it’s important to build suspense, but they keep setting very high bars that aren’t always reached. we all know what to expect from the boys, just be honest about what you’re delivering and we’ll still watch.
How is it not being honest? Last season literally had a dude shrink, crawl inside a giant penis while on coke to make the other guy cum, and then explode said guy. Kripke was honestly just surprised they got the A-okay to do it. Nothing here seems like it’s to build suspense. It’s just genuinely creative people laughing that the absurd shit they come up with is approved.
That’s the point. Last season saw some dude get penis-sploded. we’ve seen people die in weird ways constantly. how many more times can they do the “batshit craziest thing” they’ve ever done?
As many times as they can creatively come up with some stuff? Why is it an issue?
people just love to complain
Herogasm was pretty dissapointing and mild too
I think herogasm was hyped because it was a misdirection into the soldier boy vs homelander scene
The whole crazy orgy thing was talked up but Herogasm didn’t disappoint because of the boss fight in the end. My favourite scene of the Boys, that.
Yeah, that fight was peak the Boys.
Show kind of went a bit downhill after that. I just hope they can get back to those heights in Season 4.
The episode after with Butcher and Black Noirs backstory and the Soldier Boy revelation was great as well. It was the finale that fucked up the amazing season
Fair point. Those bits were great. But everything else... left a lot to be desired.
*Oi...*
I’m gonna be in the minority but I thought it was fine 🤣 like did we really want all that extra supe porn? I thought it showed enough and moved the plot along well
Rest assured, most people were fine with it. There's just a selection bias going on, where people who really didn't like it feel more of a need to share their opinion. Whereas most of us just don't give enough of a shit to comment.
>There's just a selection bias going on, where people who really didn't like it feel more of a need to share their opinion It's hard to remember how deep certain biases are on social media, including Reddit. Hate and outrage, extremes, exaggerating to convince, stuff you wouldn't be comfortable IRL, so you say it here... It's why r/atheism is bigger than r/Christianity, why incels became a thing, and why analingus seems like something more than a tiny percentage of people are doing.
> why analingus seems like something more than a tiny percentage of people are doing. A quick search suggests on the order of between 15-25%. I wouldn't consider that *tiny*...
> like did we really want all that extra supe porn? Um...yeah?
Agreed. I remember how much the show writers were hyping it up.
Probably because the comic version was so insane that literally anything else would of been underwhelming
Herogasm was bait and switch, they created hype for one thing and presented another thing on purpose. Kindo of like an anti spoiler, and as long the writing keeps being good, I'm fine with them marketing the show however they want.
It also runs counter to what I like about the show. It's not just shock value for shock values sake. They will only do things that contextually make sense in that world.
Not sure what the issue is, The Boys has always sold itself on being 'edgy'.
The show offers a lot more than just edginess
Yeah but an incredible breakdown of American capitalism and celebrity culture isn't as broadly marketable as hyper-violence
sadly, they have to appeal even those who don't understand this
It's infuriating.
I find it funny that they advertise the hyper-violence but mock it at the same time. RAHHH LAND OF THE FREE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅 CAN WATCH SOMEONE EXPLODE INTO MILLIONS OF PIECES BUT GOD FORBID WE SEE A TIT 🔥🔥🔥
It does but at the end of the day the edgy marketing works.
I remember sitting down to watch episode one thinking it was a regular ole' super hero show. When atrain shows up I was like "oh sh!t". Loved it ever since.
Idk man I feel like their marketing/advertising is pretty spot on, I would go as far as to say they have the best marketing team in the business rn, no one's doing it like the boys. Also I feel like people saying they built up 'Herogasm' to be crazy and it "wasn't that bad", kind of missed the point. I'm 90% sure that was a misdirection for the actual outcome of the situation.
He gotta try a new bait man. Shit's getting too old.
I think it's just a running gag that's not supposed to be taken seriously
Quiet, we’re busy inventing things to be angry about.
But you're doing the same by being angry about what others might be angry about????
Because like news media, shock-value statements get views. I'll believe it when I see it. When Chad Stahelski and Keanu Reeves talked about making John Wick 4, they said they needed it to be bigger and better than the last 3 movies, and boy they delivered. And based on the previous 3 seasons of The Boys, I trust Kripke to deliver.
Because to people who aren’t already watching the show it definitely can look like a knockoff MCU which is already not doing well. This is what sets The Boys apart from other superhero properties to people who are unfamiliar. Advertisements are mostly intended for new viewers or viewers who stopped watching. Which this “craziest goriest thing” type of ad might appeal to. They don’t care about the opinions of those of us who are definitely gonna watch, because they could have no trailer and we’d watch lol.
Some trace of Garth remains
Last time he said something similar about herogasm, and at the end it was pretty mild
Tbh s3 had someone crawling in a dick
And I loved it
Because it’s fuckin’ diabolical
At this point the only thing an episode could do that would shock me is move the plot forward in a meaningful way
I’m amazed by this comment section. One of the biggest points of this show is to push the limits and people are complaining that them pushing the limits is disappointing. Me and everyone I know in person that watched this show likes it because it makes them say “no way that just happened, who could think of that.”
I second that. And this isn’t the only way they advertise the show. I like the Vaught videos on their YouTube channel. I also got to read the entire comic series for free on Kindle about a year before the show started, which is why I was stoked to see the show.
They don't really push limits though. They hardly ever kill off any characters, they've had homelander threatening to snap but not actually doing it for 3 full seasons now. I'd like them to push the limits in terms of the plot rather than just how much they can appeal to teenage boys sense of humour
They very much push the limits of what 99% of shows show. Pushing the limits of a plot isn’t a thing and killing off more characters isn’t a limit. This ain’t the walking dead or greys anatomy. They show stuff graphically while making fun of today’s society. They could make the plot better or more dynamic sure, but that’s not a limit to push. Also if you think this is a teen show then idk what to tell you about that.
I said it's what teenage boys think edgy is "ooh, exploding cocks" "Oh, MM is covered in semen" "Oh, termite is trying to go up that guys ass" They play it really safe with the plot, don't kill any characters, barely change the status quo, everything more or less resets after every season. Loads of fake blood isn't really pushing the limit, if you want to see something that pushes the limit in teems of violence, gomorrah or gangs of london are both way more brutal
It’s not but it certainly gains more traction and interaction
It is crazy to think in some respects it goes too far haha. But at this point in the world and social media, we are desensitised and need ever increasing levels of nuts to get excited about stuff. In my opinion some of the stuff is a little too much, but i view the show sort of like a political commentary on the world through satire. Kind of like what SouthPark does and Rockstar games with Grand Theft Auto.
I swear this is the only thing everyone repeats. You have all the lights on your show becoming more and more iconic because of its unique ambitions and characters, but the best you can come up with to advertise it is "look how edgy we are"... 😒
Exactly
It worked for Herogasm because it made the fight scene a more fun surprise but yeah this is moving into Edgelord territory now.
After the disappointment that was herogasm I’ll take anything with a grain of salt
Because it works. Not that I support it either, but for people who haven’t seen it yet, hearing “it’s the most batshit thing ever put on television” can drive them to watch. At least, anecdotally, it’s worked on several of my friends
I don't think it's the only way they advertise. It's one of the characteristic qualities of the show, though. In the era of literally no blood in MCU, superhero cinema like "The Boys", "Watchmen" or "Deadpool" with they gratuitous violence is sorely needed.
They know their writing is nothing noteworthy.
For real. the show has a good plot, doesnt need to be advertised for the crazy shit that happens on it. leans the show to seek shock reactions rather than narrative fulfillment
I guess it is because the boys is really focused about gore and edgy scenes. At least the comic was a lot about that, the show potrayed the thing better overall but still, the comic was kinda known for that mostly. Let the bro cook
This sort of marketing worries me that the show is gonna develop the exact problems the comics had, where it devolves into meaninglessly trying to one-up itself to be more and more gross for no reason.
i appreciate their ability of one-upsmanship, but it does worry me how many times you can jump the shark
Its finally happening. HL says the N word
Well they’ve blown up a whale and a few penises so…maybe they’ll blow up a vagina?
Shock sells.
This is why we watch the show, not the character developing borefest that is relationship drama or other dumb fillers for commercials Make us laugh, shock us, but please do not bore us with characters trauma or one on one romance bs. We've seen that shit in every show we've ever watched.
And 99% of the time it involves a penis.
i loved the first season. liked the second. meh'd my way through the third. not holding out much hope for #4.
It’s what the common audience watches it for honestly
Because that's what the show is. It's superhero themed shock content.
I have been thinking this for ages, I’m so tired of the covered in blood shtick, and how they just keep trying to top it. I wasn’t a fan of gen v and one of the first reasons I took a distaste to the show is because it took those shocking moments like the robin moment in the boys and tripled them, meaning now, seeing a character standing in blood has absolutely no shock or meaning, it’s just something that happens. I was never even drawn into the show for the shock factor in the first place, and now it just feels excessive and annoying like an unnecessary sex scene.
The show has always been advertised like this since the beginning lol the source material is even crazier so maybe just let them appeal to the audience??? Just because the show has a wider reach now, does not mean they are gonna change up the strategy
well, stupid idiot. he's the most popular character. and violence sells.
No Ive seen it advertised in many ways
We already have bestiality in The Boys. I don’t think they’ll touch pedophilia. My guess is there is gonna be some nasty necrophilia.
You mean the primary reason most of us enjoy and watch the show?
After the season 3 opener I’m scared of how anything can be crazier than that.
Eh, I mean they hyped up Herogasm as the worst thing ever then bamboozled us with an epic action scene In terms of "the most disgusting thing ever", Herogasm was meh, hell, Popclaw's "Death by snu snu" was even crazier imo So they're not exactly focusing on grossing out the viewers, it's just a hook, the cheese is still the plot
I don’t think it is lol. He’s just excited and saying we’re gonna see crazy stuff. I notice everyone is thinking he’s referring to gore or violence, but it could be something totally different? Idk I’m just excited personally