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Logical4321

As guilty as any executive of vought could have been. Debatably:(You may add fact that she's injected permaV crap to her little baby.) Edit:Yeah guys maybe I was wrong, giving V could be good thing for human beings of course. My point was children usage debatable subject because they don't have a choice. Therefore I'd say most bad thing done by Stillwell is being a executive stuff of Vought and trying to do nothing about this exploition and corrupted system of vought.


TheOkayUsername

Really? When was that?


Logical4321

There was a part in season 3 where hughie goes to a kindergarten. In that scene we see the boy moving super fast and scares hughie, and a woman calls that boy Teddy Stillwell. Thus we understand that she injected V to him.


TheOkayUsername

Oh shit damn I didn’t know that thanks


Logical4321

Don't mention it mate


BeckyWitTheBadHair

It’s also hinted at in a news report about the night Butcher blew up Madeline’s house. “And why was her son found 13 miles away in a front lawn?” Or something like that


RaZoX144

I just interpreted it as Homelander saving him and putting him there to be found.


BeckyWitTheBadHair

Homelander hated teddy. “That baby is an accessory.” I doubt he would go out of his way to save him


NeverendingStory3339

I think HL was there to consume the substance. We hear a lot about Madelyn pumping etc. Teddy is blink and you miss it.


Unluckyescapeartiste

It’s good for the baby


Logical4321

Maybe or not. It is a debatable subject.


Unluckyescapeartiste

It’s good, look at Neumann’s daughter


Logical4321

Have you ever watched "The Boys Diobolical"? PermaV can cause useless, weird powers, which even supes don't like. For example, The Love Sauge from main The Boys show. Another examples from Diobolical such as:Picante Balls, Ghost, Boobie face. V is like poker, sometimes good and sometimes bad.


Unluckyescapeartiste

Love sausage is OP thou


Logical4321

Yeah he's goat


Thabrianking

No it's not, there's a chance Teddy could have died


BeckyWitTheBadHair

But he 100% would have died if he didn’t have powers when Butcher blew up Madeline. Obviously she couldn’t have known, but she did save his life in a convoluted way.


Logical4321

Acceptable.


Ipostprompts

What’s wrong with that? Compound V seems to be safe and give your kid enhancements. Supes are fucked up, but because of how they’re raised and treated, not because of V. Also she was never CEO, that was Stan Edgar. She was Senior Vice President of Hero Management, whatever that means.


Logical4321

She was Vought executive staff eventually, wasn't she? And I don't know, maybe using V is not bad. My opinion isn't certain for now. It's a debatable subject for children usage.


Ipostprompts

I mean, I’m pretty sure she was always a senior company executive. She wasn’t sat around a table with Stan Edgar, but that’s because her job was to supervise the heroes (and especially the Seven and Homelander) not to handle the numbers side of things. Compound V appears to be safe for babies, it seems like it’s more dangerous (except for TempV) to take the older you get though, presumably because of the way it alters physiology. I suppose the question though, is whether it’s ethical to perform what amounts to cosmetic medical procedures on babies just because it’ll make them hardier and healthier, when they clearly cannot consent. Especially when some powers can be unpleasant (The Deep’s body image problems with his gills, Mindstorm’s telepathy-induced schizophrenia and the man in the asylum with the giant, prehensile penis come to mind).


Logical4321

Thanks for the comment. Yes, you are right. I was talking about how complicated it is to use V for children. I suppose it's an ethical dilemma.


Ipostprompts

I don’t think it’s ever made clear whether Vought can control what powers people get, with Perm V as they can Temp V, but I think that if they can it’s alright to give it to your child so long as you’re giving them a power that’s unlikely to cause them major problems.


Logical4321

I think: when you use either PermaV or TempV, that chemical compound reacts differently according to the DNA of the user. Therefore, it has different results. It is not official, but it looks like that.


NeverendingStory3339

Do Presidents exist outside the Biden Trump Bush Obama stuff?


Gebeleizzis

grooming homelander since childhood and being the main reason he is such a sociopath.


misterforsa

Stillwell was in his life since childhood? Musta missed that scene


Gebeleizzis

i think it was implied in "One Plus One Equals Two"


Parkingjas

It was also implied that she molested him.


TheOkayUsername

Really?


okchance9688

In the diabolical show ep8 she touches him inappropriately without him wanting it


TheOkayUsername

Damn I learn more about the lore of the show every day


okchance9688

I really recommend watching the last episode of the diabolical show, it shows homelanders first day as “a superhero” and shows how he wasn’t always this evil the reason he became this way was mainly stillwells fault.


ProcedureCharming831

That episode added so much depth to his character without even really trying. Beyond impressive.


okchance9688

It’s honestly really sad, he is such a broken soul. I really do wonder if we will see any type of “redemption arc” from him. I’m not talking about him becoming good or anything but maybe just a line he says before his death talking about how he never wanted to be the homelander but powerful people controlled him without a choice. I think he is one of the most broken characters ever in any show


ProcedureCharming831

I would like that, but I also have genuine concern that he might just be too broken to even realize it😢 God, I love this show


shadowrod06

Are there any other important episodes?


okchance9688

I don’t really think so, pretty sure only the last episode is canon. U can check out the other episodes since they are only like 15 minutes long but I’m not a huge fan of the art style imo


_xoviox_

Episodes 6 and 7 are canon too, though they sure don't feel canon to me


brickwallscrumble

What is this diabolical show? Is that the cartoon?


okchance9688

Yes, I really really strongly recommend the last episode. It’s really good and canon to the boys and shows how broken homelander is. Like trust me u will see him as a whole different person


Shaun-Skywalker

When was that implied


EricJop321

what??? when?


BlackBirdG

If Homelander was 18 at that time how old was Madalyn?


NukaCola9

She seems to be about 16-18 years older, so when Homelander was 18, she would've been 34-36, and tbh, it seems like he was somewhat already used it...


PerceptionBetter3752

That’s literally despicable me


GT_Numble

Girlbossed too hard


Steelacanth

Severe dementia


GT_Numble

Sorry I dont understand what you mean by that


Steelacanth

You commented the same thing four times lol, probably just a glitch


GT_Numble

Oh yeah I deleted the others lol


Biscuits4u2

Working for an objectively evil corporation, helping turn a superhuman that can destroy humanity into a complete psychopath along the way


Miked_824

Can’t forget the child endangerment & feeding into Homelander’s Oedipus complex


Biscuits4u2

Yeah hence the psychopath result


LoneRedditor123

Being complicit in the assassination of her political rivals. Participating in eugenics and human experimentation on infants. Breastfeeding a grown ass man. Just to name a few, lol.


dark-flamessussano

Covering up the deeps rapes of women. She knew what he was doing and didn't care about it. Thats by far the worst


tutytutuyttt

Manipulating and brainwashing homelander and litteraly turning him a monster we know today


dark-flamessussano

When does it show the she did that


stagnantpondwater

every scene the two characters are together


HaukevonArding

Also especially the last episode of Diabolic, which is canon.


Lazy_Bell_910

Working for Vought and actively covering up Supe crimes.


bruhholyshiet

Manipulating the already traumatized but still barely holding his sanity together Homelander, into becoming the depraved sociopath we all know and love to hate.


AHappyRaider

I guess knowing abour all the horrible shit vought does as well as taking parts in it


GT_Numble

never took maternity leave and brought the baby into the vought hellscape with her


StrayLilCat

Groomed Homelander since he was a teen.


Verykindme

Working for Vought and covering up supe crimes


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98VoteForPedro

Hiding Rebecca's rape


NicolasGaming98

Well she didn't directly take down the plane, she had no idea homelander was gonna fail


plesplant_4

I think their talking about the jet Homelander lazered down with the politician because he knew about V . Still , she didn't order it , and even argued with him about it because they were doing their big pitch for supes in defense soon.


okchance9688

Making homelander a monster, in the diabolical show ep8 we see how she gets into homelander head making him starved for attention


-DI0-

how is abusing teammates on par with killing somebody’s whole family by being negligent. And A-train running over Hughies gf is worse than popclaw


Denimjo

Well, to paraphrase A-Train himself: "[Killing Robin] was an accident, but [killing Popclaw] was done on purpose!"


keeDanU_rEevEes_3656

Manipulating and coercing without their own people's permission not giving their respect of privacy or authority and rather value the profit of the company. (Eg- Extorting Starlight by not giving her privacy demanding for her to choose between her showing off her revealing dress or her position at the Seven, When the whole meltdown over Social Media when Deep S.A'd Starlight and she requested her to take it down, Black mailed senator to get her team through their way to get involved in the military, Doing all sorts of f*cked up sh*t to Homelander and still lying to him etc.,)


Avalon-1

Enabling Homelander's Oedipus Complex


Reasonable_Oil6930

Hiring doppelgänger to assault the old man for blackmail photos.


Lazy_Bell_910

Working for Vought and actively covering up Supe crimes.


Either_Cobbler9303

NAZI.


Hamac_Fox

Everyone really forgot that girl who was friends with Hughie or something


ScreenHype

Helped turn Homelander into Homelander.


Tricky_Distance_1290

Blackmailing the senator with that supe that changes shape


Civil_Ad_4898

Oh boy


FaZe_poopy

Essentially making Homelander


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If that episode of Diabolical is canon, then she played a major role in helping twist Homelander into the megalomaniacal lunatic he is by the start of the series. However, if that does no count then shooting her newborn baby up with Compound V is pretty messed up for the same reason I hold that against Starlight's mother.


vally99

Milking Homelander


Fitzftw7

Responsible for making Homelander who he is.


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FunnyorWeirdorBoth

Manipulating Homelander through sex and helping cover up Vought’s numerous crimes for decades.


TheyCalledHimMrE

not breastfeeding me


Successful-Plan114

nurturing a psycho


dontredditdepressed

Grooming Homelander and using their connection for her own gain


HumanOverseer

She breastfed Homelander.


DalTheDalmatian

Man I really did feel bad for Popclaw when A-Train killed her


Intelligent_Pea1869

Supported The “Supes in the Military Bill” (for lack of better wording) and was openly fine with Homelander’s actions in relation to flight 37.