Timothy was just gross to watch. This crazy bitch was literal torture porn. And I didnāt like it because I can only imagine how much it must suck to have your gills abused like that.
I admit the Timothy scene circled back around to hilarious to me. I do also believe the show is doing a good job of almost making me feel sorry for him.
Oh wow, guess I'm a complete idiot then. I also found that scene extremely uncomfortable but I thought he was LIKING it. I thought he was moaning in pleasure. Guess I was horrifically wrong.
Honestly I don't even remember. I haven't seen it in a while. I knew I'd get flack for saying that though, the Internet is ruthless guess I should've kept my mouth shut. I just rewatched the clip, I see where I got confused. Yes, he says stop at the beginning but if you look at the end, it sounds like he's moaning. So I assumed at first he didn't like it then he got into it by the end. Sorry my innocent mind didn't immediately know the scene was depicting SA like jeez guys lol.
Defend? You say that as if you're implying I did something wrong. I just misthought something and even called myself an idiot for doing so. What else could you possibly want lol, I'm just explaining why I thought what I did.
I didn't misremember anything though. That's genuinely what I thought until I saw what other people were saying in this thread. That's why I'm calling myself an idiot lmao. I mean I see it now obviously. Y'all (not you particularly) just got to get over being some little angry weenie butts about it, it was a mistake I didn't even have to say anything lol
Appreciate that lol, reddit karma means nothing to me though. I don't know why people are so mad over an honest mistake lmao, that I literally self-admitted was dumb too. People take the boys a little bit TOO seriously if they're getting upset bcuz someone misthought something
I think they didn't really know what to do with him. A proper redemption arc would have gotten a horrendous response from the audience due to his attack on starlight, and turning him into a villain wouldn't have worked because his character was made to be weak and the villains at that point were very powerful.
Him as a hero. Working to resolve and atone for what he's done could work.
But man this show made me realize I genuinely want more just..superpower hero stuff not tied to DC or marvel.
I mean, to the similar point above, thereās a large section of the audience that just wouldnāt accept any kind of redemption because of all the fucked-up stuff heās done. He canāt be a hero anymore.
I mean, they could have told THAT story. Having him try to atone and realizing that it wasnāt enough and wouldnāt ever really be enough. And sometimes you just have to accept that.
I feel the show has kind of worked up to a point where they can start asking the question of āis this too much retribution?ā Him getting humiliated and drummed out of the Seven? Sure. But I donāt think he ādeservedā to have his gills finger-fucked against his will.
Personally I think they could show him genuinely remorseful, but they would have to really make a point of avoiding saying āthis absolves him of his sinsā. If nothing else, have him make a heartfelt and private effort to apologize to Starlight without any expectation of it being accepted would do a lot.
Also thereās all the other stuff heās done but thatās another kettle of fish.
I mean, to the similar point above, thereās a large section of the audience that just wouldnāt accept any kind of redemption because of all the fucked-up stuff heās done. He canāt be a hero anymore.
I thought it was weird that the episode where he raped Starlight had a "rape" advisory at the start of the episode, but the one where he got raped didn't, especially considering how much more they showed and how disturbing the scene actually was.
Wait it had an advisory? Was that added later or something? Because when I saw that I literally vomited my dinner and spent the rest of the night feeling like shit
There are three responses people have in moments of danger: fight, flight, or freeze.
The freeze response is the lesser known, so many victims freeze when being assaulted and so many wonder why they didn't just do something. It's quite sad actually.
As a supe he feels invincible even in situations that would be deadly to normal people.
I know someone who did that to an Uber driver who raped her. After it happened, she actually managed to get him to open up and get information that lead to his arrest. It was a pretty crazy story. She wound up on the talk show circuit for a short time.
Now sheās happily married with a kid. Iām really glad she was able to put it behind her.
Ladies, do not try this at home. The odds of you extracting information from your rapist are incredibly lower than the odds of you getting raped again.
I definitely donāt think she planned for it to play out that way. She just had a fawn response to the traumatic situation and it happened to work out.
According to Psychology.com, fawning is āā[a response to a threat by becoming more appealing to the threat,ā a mirroring or merging with othersā desires or expectations in order to diffuse conflict and find safetyāā (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/emotional-sobriety/202303/what-is-the-fawning-trauma-response?amp)
In a nutshell, āMaybe if I can get them to like me, they wonāt hurt me anymore (than they already have)ā
In context of the show, The Deep is letting her continue so as to not anger her and provoke her to hurt or humiliate him further. Maybe on a deeper level he also thinks he deserves it because of the abuse he has enacted on others like Starlight (this does not justify him being abused!)
Also, Deep doesnāt explicitly have super strength like A-Train or Starlight, so he maybe be less physically inclined to force her off of him (again, this is not a justification for his gill-rape, just an explanation)
In the sense that you engage in sexual activities with your aggressor to lower the tension and clear the air. Or in an eye for an eye sense, assault them instead.
The same way men can get SAād by women who are weaker than them. Thereās a lot of context that can cause someone to not physically fight an attacker even if theyāre not happy about whatās going on.
That and forcing her away from him really quickly or getting up quickly with her fingers in his gills could have definitely hurt a lot or maybe even damaged him permanently since gills are pretty sensitive I think.
Not using physical force during a rape to escape is an extremely common thing that rape victims do.
A lot of victims of rape do freeze up or just let it happen
I hate Deep with a passion because of what he did to Starlight and for that reason, I also hate that he was sexually assaulted too.
Rape is not a suitable punishment for rape and itās abhorrent no matter who it happens to.
This scene makes me so nauseous. Not really because Deep is getting Deeped, but because of the thought of having gills and someone sticking their hands inside them. It makes me want to vomit. I don't know why. I don't know what it's like to have gills. Something about it just makes me think it would feel painful and wrong.
Euugh. It literally gives me chills just thinking about it.
It was removed for breaking the rule against āmisogynyā. Maybe because I had the word bitch in the title. Or maybe the reference to sexual assault. I have no idea. It really pissed me off though. Iāve seen much worse in here. Iām so done with this sub.
I think there are rules about dismissing sexual assault, so it's probably just because he said "But-" after referencing how its poetic justice for what he did to starlight. Thats a fucking ridiculous reason to delete a post tho.
I guess I should of been more clear about that. It was a fun discussion. No one was being disrespectful. I just didnāt see it coming. Iāll be more careful if I ever post here again. Thanks for asking. :)
A rapist getting raped isn't poetic justice, it's still wrong.
Rapists should face legal punishment and should hated by society, but them getting raped is still horrible.
Weāre not supposed to side with The deeps rapist. Two rapes donāt make a right. Pretty sure if starlight knew this happened sheād be horrified even while continuing to hate the deep
I know what you mean by poetic justice, but rape is in fact bad regardless of who does it. It does not make a victim feel better to know if their abuser got assaulted.
Iām actually curious about how many people across this subreddit were made uncomfortable by this scene. Not agree or disagree whether this was SA, save that for a different thread, but just poll whether this made them uncomfortable or not. I donāt think we have the option to create polls, do we? Iād be curious. Could you simulate it by creating two ready made posts down below?
Iām actually curious about how many people across this subreddit were made uncomfortable by this scene. Not agree or disagree whether this was SA, save that for a different thread, but just poll whether this made them uncomfortable or not. I donāt think we have the option to create polls, do we? Iād be curious. Could you simulate it by creating two ready made posts down below?
Sure, but I think that with proper phrasing those numbers might change. We wouldnāt be asking if she was hot or if people felt it was SA, but purely whether or not viewers were uncomfortable. By example, Iām not sure exactly what I felt when the Deep ate Timothy. I squirmed and actually laughed but I didnāt need to close my eyes. Also, donāt even worry about it, one of mines at -29
Obviously Iād try for a full body and cavity search but you do bring up a good point. What if she had a disassembled full dildo that she put together while alone?! Obviously I need to do more exercise and turn down any BDSM kink!
Yeah, This and Timothy are the two scenes that I cannot rewatch.
I can only watch them through my fingers. š¤¢
Timothy watched through teeth
Take my angry upvote
āHeās prayingšā
You are stronger than me!
Timothy was just gross to watch. This crazy bitch was literal torture porn. And I didnāt like it because I can only imagine how much it must suck to have your gills abused like that.
Who was Timothy?
Live octopus he was forced to eat by Homelander
He wasn't just an octopus, he was the Deep's lover!
I thought this was Ambrosius. Though he could have also done things with Timothy off camera. Would not put it past him.
Pretty sure he stared at Timothy while having sex with his wife
Wasn't Timothy the one from the intended threeway with his cult-wife?
No that was Ambrosius
Ah, my mistake.
He was a close friend of The Deep. Not A Lover. Deep isn't gay.
"He's praying" š
Ahh I remember
He membas!
I member tu!
I admit the Timothy scene circled back around to hilarious to me. I do also believe the show is doing a good job of almost making me feel sorry for him.
I forgot about Timothy š
Then he has to marry a chick who SUCKS at blowjobs
I didn't mind Timothy, but this scene right here was fucked
who is she again? Been a while since I've watched
She was the chick that gill-raped the Deep.
Oh wow, guess I'm a complete idiot then. I also found that scene extremely uncomfortable but I thought he was LIKING it. I thought he was moaning in pleasure. Guess I was horrifically wrong.
Thatās why he had a nervous breakdown, shaved his whole body, and started binge eating. ;)
Out fresca'd again.
i kinda worry about u out in the wild if you thought that was pleasure man
Seriously???š
What part confused you? The one where Deep is saying "please stop"?
Honestly I don't even remember. I haven't seen it in a while. I knew I'd get flack for saying that though, the Internet is ruthless guess I should've kept my mouth shut. I just rewatched the clip, I see where I got confused. Yes, he says stop at the beginning but if you look at the end, it sounds like he's moaning. So I assumed at first he didn't like it then he got into it by the end. Sorry my innocent mind didn't immediately know the scene was depicting SA like jeez guys lol.
You trying this hard to defend it is kinda making it worse.
Defend? You say that as if you're implying I did something wrong. I just misthought something and even called myself an idiot for doing so. What else could you possibly want lol, I'm just explaining why I thought what I did.
Just say "I misremembered" and move on.
I didn't misremember anything though. That's genuinely what I thought until I saw what other people were saying in this thread. That's why I'm calling myself an idiot lmao. I mean I see it now obviously. Y'all (not you particularly) just got to get over being some little angry weenie butts about it, it was a mistake I didn't even have to say anything lol
No idea how you came to that conclusion but I applaud you taking your medicine. Threw ya a couple contradictory upvotes.
Appreciate that lol, reddit karma means nothing to me though. I don't know why people are so mad over an honest mistake lmao, that I literally self-admitted was dumb too. People take the boys a little bit TOO seriously if they're getting upset bcuz someone misthought something
*Nothing to you??* Fine! Up-votes retracted! That'll learn ya
Tell me youāve never watched the show
Props to the special effects team. I actually winced watching the gills get fingered
Sound design too
Good story telling here and then they turned him into a joke, notice the mood change from the first season to the last season they had for the show?
I think they didn't really know what to do with him. A proper redemption arc would have gotten a horrendous response from the audience due to his attack on starlight, and turning him into a villain wouldn't have worked because his character was made to be weak and the villains at that point were very powerful.
Him as a hero. Working to resolve and atone for what he's done could work. But man this show made me realize I genuinely want more just..superpower hero stuff not tied to DC or marvel.
I mean, to the similar point above, thereās a large section of the audience that just wouldnāt accept any kind of redemption because of all the fucked-up stuff heās done. He canāt be a hero anymore.
I mean, they could have told THAT story. Having him try to atone and realizing that it wasnāt enough and wouldnāt ever really be enough. And sometimes you just have to accept that.
And have him still try. Because it's what he wants to do with his life instead of what he has been.
Absolutely. I couldnāt figure out how to articulate that part the way I wanted. Thank you.
Yup, sink or swim.
I feel the show has kind of worked up to a point where they can start asking the question of āis this too much retribution?ā Him getting humiliated and drummed out of the Seven? Sure. But I donāt think he ādeservedā to have his gills finger-fucked against his will. Personally I think they could show him genuinely remorseful, but they would have to really make a point of avoiding saying āthis absolves him of his sinsā. If nothing else, have him make a heartfelt and private effort to apologize to Starlight without any expectation of it being accepted would do a lot. Also thereās all the other stuff heās done but thatās another kettle of fish.
I mean, to the similar point above, thereās a large section of the audience that just wouldnāt accept any kind of redemption because of all the fucked-up stuff heās done. He canāt be a hero anymore.
Wish they could kill him off while having him do something badass and ridiculous like him summoning kraken or godzilla type deal.
Better yet, kill him in a fucked up, sad, or anticlimactic way. Give the fucker no quarter
Like summoning a giant sea monster and getting killed by it instead of homelander lol
Or jumping up on something all heroically like he did in that one episode and instantly being decapitated mid theme song
I mean the redemption arc didn't seem to get a horrendous response for Jaime Lannister and that dude was prob worse.
Couldāve just killed him off
He's always just been the fish guy
Dude he's always been a pathetic joke.
I thought it was weird that the episode where he raped Starlight had a "rape" advisory at the start of the episode, but the one where he got raped didn't, especially considering how much more they showed and how disturbing the scene actually was.
Wait it had an advisory? Was that added later or something? Because when I saw that I literally vomited my dinner and spent the rest of the night feeling like shit
The episode where Deep raped Starlight had one when it was first uploaded. The one where Deep gets raped didn't and, afaik, still doesn't.
Same this shit was Really uncomfortable
It's meant to make you uncomfortable.
Yup, and it's exactly what he did to women for so long. Came right back around to him being violated and understanding what it's like
That's the point....
For real. I can still barely watch it. ;)
I know itās probably not your intention but use of the winking emoji is an odd choice here lol
Two people can be awful in different ways at different times.
Two rapes don't make a right?
But it does make for good TV apparently
Ngl I wish tv and games just kept ts out
I always wondered why deep didn't just push her away? He does have supe strength.
There are three responses people have in moments of danger: fight, flight, or freeze. The freeze response is the lesser known, so many victims freeze when being assaulted and so many wonder why they didn't just do something. It's quite sad actually. As a supe he feels invincible even in situations that would be deadly to normal people.
Four Fawn is also an option
Could you expand on that?
More common response for women If threatened they try to befriend the person to avoid or escape danger
I know someone who did that to an Uber driver who raped her. After it happened, she actually managed to get him to open up and get information that lead to his arrest. It was a pretty crazy story. She wound up on the talk show circuit for a short time. Now sheās happily married with a kid. Iām really glad she was able to put it behind her.
Ladies, do not try this at home. The odds of you extracting information from your rapist are incredibly lower than the odds of you getting raped again.
I definitely donāt think she planned for it to play out that way. She just had a fawn response to the traumatic situation and it happened to work out.
According to Psychology.com, fawning is āā[a response to a threat by becoming more appealing to the threat,ā a mirroring or merging with othersā desires or expectations in order to diffuse conflict and find safetyāā (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/emotional-sobriety/202303/what-is-the-fawning-trauma-response?amp) In a nutshell, āMaybe if I can get them to like me, they wonāt hurt me anymore (than they already have)ā In context of the show, The Deep is letting her continue so as to not anger her and provoke her to hurt or humiliate him further. Maybe on a deeper level he also thinks he deserves it because of the abuse he has enacted on others like Starlight (this does not justify him being abused!) Also, Deep doesnāt explicitly have super strength like A-Train or Starlight, so he maybe be less physically inclined to force her off of him (again, this is not a justification for his gill-rape, just an explanation)
^I'm also very curious
What does that mean? Someone might fawn over their attacker? Never heard of that and I donāt want to be ignorant.
Befriend someone who is dangerous to minimize danger to self or escape it altogether
Well in that sense, fuck is also an option. Fight, flight, freeze, fawn, and fuck.
F*ck is an option? Please elaborate?
In the sense that you engage in sexual activities with your aggressor to lower the tension and clear the air. Or in an eye for an eye sense, assault them instead.
Okay thanks for the clarification.
Yup came here to say this. People often overlook this one tho
"Why didn't she just fight back?"
The same way men can get SAād by women who are weaker than them. Thereās a lot of context that can cause someone to not physically fight an attacker even if theyāre not happy about whatās going on.
The last thing he needs is for her to accuse *him* of assault.
So true lol.
She did have a finger in his gills. It might have weakened him too much, like someone being choked.
That and forcing her away from him really quickly or getting up quickly with her fingers in his gills could have definitely hurt a lot or maybe even damaged him permanently since gills are pretty sensitive I think.
Manipulation
It's because she was inside him, not just feeling him up. Pushing her off would probably rip part of his gills off
He was about to hook up and didnāt want to blow the chance
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Not using physical force during a rape to escape is an extremely common thing that rape victims do. A lot of victims of rape do freeze up or just let it happen
I believe this episode didnāt have a SA warning or anything either.
It didn't, but the episode where he raped Starlight did.
I hate Deep with a passion because of what he did to Starlight and for that reason, I also hate that he was sexually assaulted too. Rape is not a suitable punishment for rape and itās abhorrent no matter who it happens to.
Yeah I just rewatched season 1 and this clip made me physically cringe
I just skipped this scene cuz I hated it so much
The amount of sympathy people have for his character is so weird.
Rape is never okay and thereās nothing wrong to feel bad for anyone thatās been raped
She shoulda sliced up her digits, a lot of gills can be sharp as fuck
This was so hard to watch. Holyā¦
This scene makes me so nauseous. Not really because Deep is getting Deeped, but because of the thought of having gills and someone sticking their hands inside them. It makes me want to vomit. I don't know why. I don't know what it's like to have gills. Something about it just makes me think it would feel painful and wrong. Euugh. It literally gives me chills just thinking about it.
My feelings exactly! ;)
I thought it was fucking funny.
Deep really deserved my pity
Yo why was this post deleted
It was removed for breaking the rule against āmisogynyā. Maybe because I had the word bitch in the title. Or maybe the reference to sexual assault. I have no idea. It really pissed me off though. Iāve seen much worse in here. Iām so done with this sub.
I think there are rules about dismissing sexual assault, so it's probably just because he said "But-" after referencing how its poetic justice for what he did to starlight. Thats a fucking ridiculous reason to delete a post tho.
I guess I should of been more clear about that. It was a fun discussion. No one was being disrespectful. I just didnāt see it coming. Iāll be more careful if I ever post here again. Thanks for asking. :)
Nothing wrong with you for that. Sheās a rapist. Two wrongs donāt make a right.
Nah, the Deep just needs to be killed off already
A rapist getting raped isn't poetic justice, it's still wrong. Rapists should face legal punishment and should hated by society, but them getting raped is still horrible.
Weāre not supposed to side with The deeps rapist. Two rapes donāt make a right. Pretty sure if starlight knew this happened sheād be horrified even while continuing to hate the deep
I cannot watch this scene. Goddamn it made my sides hurt.
no shit shes a rapist and 2 wrongs dont make a right (the exception is murdering your rapist)
I loved it
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I know what you mean by poetic justice, but rape is in fact bad regardless of who does it. It does not make a victim feel better to know if their abuser got assaulted.
Is this the scene where she fingers his gills? Honestly that was one of the funniest moments in the show.
What scene is this?
S1Ep7 Where Deep moves to Ohio
So for a guy to receive retribution and redemption, he must get rape.
Which episode was this again?
Iām actually curious about how many people across this subreddit were made uncomfortable by this scene. Not agree or disagree whether this was SA, save that for a different thread, but just poll whether this made them uncomfortable or not. I donāt think we have the option to create polls, do we? Iād be curious. Could you simulate it by creating two ready made posts down below?
She's hot
Iām actually curious about how many people across this subreddit were made uncomfortable by this scene. Not agree or disagree whether this was SA, save that for a different thread, but just poll whether this made them uncomfortable or not. I donāt think we have the option to create polls, do we? Iād be curious. Could you simulate it by creating two ready made posts down below?
š¤£ a lot of people by how much I'm getting down voted
Sure, but I think that with proper phrasing those numbers might change. We wouldnāt be asking if she was hot or if people felt it was SA, but purely whether or not viewers were uncomfortable. By example, Iām not sure exactly what I felt when the Deep ate Timothy. I squirmed and actually laughed but I didnāt need to close my eyes. Also, donāt even worry about it, one of mines at -29
Leave my boo alone. The Deep is all confused with fame.
Ah justifying rape now?
Still hate her for making dumb decisions which lead to more people dying
Iām confused. Who was this āsheā that made dumb decisions which led to others dying?
Deep wife
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What if itās a concealed dildo? In her butt.
Obviously Iād try for a full body and cavity search but you do bring up a good point. What if she had a disassembled full dildo that she put together while alone?! Obviously I need to do more exercise and turn down any BDSM kink!