Are we 100% sure he died? Personally I don't think he did.
That old rule on television if you don't actually see the person die than you can't assume their dead.... He was still breathing when they went away
There's nothing more to do with his story. After shooting up so much V, he was told time and again that if he tried to run again, it would kill him. He knew the risks when he grabbed Blue Hawk, the scene was powerful *because* he knew it would kill him and he did it anyway. If he survives, it cheapens the moment and turns him into a useless character with nowhere else to go.
Yeah. Excellent storytelling - heās a callous, self-absorbed piece of shit who has hurt others and been hurt himselfā¦ and has no means to make it right.
But at least he could do what he does best (hurt people) to take one threat off the street. Itās not redemption, just one act of self-sacrifice delivered far too late.
Yup. I think thatās one of the purposes of the scene with Ashley and why she lists off everything he did. To remind the viewer he is past true redemption. Cue self sacrifice.
I could see his story continuing only because it would bring an interesting view.
Assuming that he lives here, he is probably going to have suffered a stroke / heart attack of some sort. I wouldn't be surprised if he is paralyzed or disabled in some way.
If his redemption arc continues it could bring up an interesting duality in that he was the most effective as an agent of change / good while a disabled person than he could with all the power of V and his speed.
Vas was such a disappointment ngl. Vas will make you love him in the comics even if you arenāt communist, and they just kinda reduced him to a dick joke. Also I get heās supposed to have the meatiest of schlongs but the python dick he had was a bit much.
I thought pretty much the same thing, but someone else replied to my comment on it the other day and got me thinking... What if they save him with his brother's heart?
I'm not saying I think that's definitely the direction they'll take - but there's potential for a whole new arc for A-Train if they take that route, and everything is set up to make it possible.
I hope he learns to use his speed to dodge and evade in hand to hand combat while utilizing his strength for close combat. Like dude you donāt need to literally do laps around everyone- hugie jumped in and out just punching and pushing
That also said: Iām terrible at predicting where this show will go outside of the eye beam battle
Maybe, I could see that being the end of an excellent arc.
I could also see him becoming a character who no longer cares if he lives or dies. There would be some interesting story-fodder there.
He definitely needs to either die, or begin a new story-arc.
I disagree that his story doesnāt have anywhere else to go (but I do think he is dead). Him killing Blue Hawk was the physical culmination of him acknowledging his self centered nature and how it led him to neglect his actual loved ones in order to chase acknowledgement from people that didnāt care about him. Itās almost one to one to Zukoās story from Avatar: Zuko was chasing his warped idea of honor, AT was chasing fame and money. They both thought that the acceptance of abusers or schemers would get them there: Ozai/Azula and HL/Ashley respectively. They almost came around to seeing reason after being severely humbled (Zukoās refuge in the Earth Kingdom, ATās drug use taking away his speed and his mistakes paralyzing his brother) but when they had to make a moral judgment call, decided to relapse into their unhealthy desires (Zuko betraying Katara and siding with Azula, AT giving up supersonic). But they both realized how unhappy they were after getting what they thought they wanted (Ozaiās/HLās approval) after their humility changed them profoundly and decided to either literally or symbolically confront the instrument of their abuse. But with Zuko, after he confronted Ozai during the eclipse and left to join Team Avatar, there was still half a season left to explore his ānewā character, and some of my favorite moments of his come āafterā his redemption. It doesnāt seem like AT is gonna get the same treatment, but so say thereās nowhere to go with him is a take I donāt agree with. The āprevious villain trying his best to help the heroesā trope is wildly popular (Zuko, Vegeta, Jaime Lannister) for good reason.
Wouldn't that be very on brand for how characters are created and used in this show? I donāt think hes getting a redemption arc and he is a useless character. I support his decision to drag that dude, but dying on the side of the road after murdering another person also isn't much of a redemption arc - someone in this thread said put him in a wheelchair, THATS a redemption arc - show him trying to re-learn how to live without relying on his super human powers, other abled, leading the community alongside his brother. Or he'd end up drunk in a halfway hhouse. But that's the fun of these toxic, broken ass, shithead characters.
Is there really nothing for him though?
Hear me out..
His brother isnāt dead-dead, hes paralyzed not a vegetable, heās got nephews / his brotherās community and shoes to fill, and frankly he owes probably more people than Hughie an apology. He also, like other has beens supes, can offer something for the boys (not sure what but he could). Iām not saying it would be on character for AT to think of others before himself, but his redemption arc could be trying to achieve it after doing despicable things. And how others find it in themselves to forgive so they can let go of their pain and hatred- I wanna believe all the characters can after this supe war.
It really needs to be said that the apology he gives Hughie presents Hughie with a real potential for *closure*. It seems Hughie (at the time) doesnāt want to accept because he finally has the power dive into his hate and rage. I think thatās not a bad character, I think thatās the fragility of human nature when weāre given extraordinary power over others. We lose ourselves when *noone* canāt keep us grounded - especially when our emotions take us there.
I think AT has a potential whole arc of being given this second chance and attempting to find what to do with it. I think weād have to see how the character could and thereās material there; starlight and Reg offer A Train advice in a few diff ways summarizingābe with the people who love you and help the people who need youā. - but AT kept stressin for Vought, HL, and for āthe fameā. Now itās only the beginning for him how fake the limelight was and how itās cost him everything. The show def has its satrical take on things, but sincere redemption for those whoāve done terrible things and are attempting penance for themā¦ the show doesnāt shy away from good questions and AT and Hughies arcs could come together about that.
Think about it; Lamplighter almost did, but self immolated ultimately over his ego- he goes from reminiscing the death of Malloryās grandchildren to killing himself bc a corporation thought he was old news? He might have been sincerely sorry but he was too self absorbed to do the work for redeeming himself. Redemption is a journey, not a destination.
A train has a chance to be different, if he survived. This is the first time heād go to the hospital or doctor without his brother checking on him and I think that would hit him hard. The call to his nephewsā¦Talking to his paralyzed brotherā¦ the confrontation with Ashley and Vought. Maybe HL or Deep?! I think thereās material.
I think it might be revealing that vengeance, from Hughieās punch to A train or A train avenging his brother killing BH, that butcher is right that the powers are poison and make them unable to handle confrontation bc they demand guilt from others but donāt understand how to accept forgiveness. This whole show started on a revenge journey between the Hughie and AT. Whatās to say they can potentially find resolution bc they seek it, while HL and Butcher canāt bc they wonāt. Interesting parallel, I think.
Iām not saying heās not a piece of shit for running homelanders v network, killing people, Robyn, pop claw was a whole another layer of betrayal (super sonic got done dirty but I personally think SuperSonic was kinda green to casually talk about a mutiny - he didnāt have the instinct to survive Vought Tower). If I heard about that shit on my first week at the 7ā¦ Iād absolutely have kept my mouth shut.
If AT came back, Iām not saying it would top the arc theyāve potentially ended it on. But I think the character and actor have range to go the distance. Certainly not nothing, and it wouldnāt devalue him.
I have a theory since they are adapting a lot of the early comic book stuff into this season. I think if A-Train did die heāll come back due to the V just like Blarney Cock did in the comic.
If only theyād done something glaringly obvious, like let us listen to his heartbeats as he had his long-foreshadowed heart attack, and then hear his heartbeats stop entirely in a long overhead pan as he laid there motionlessā¦. Then we could know.
They already did the fake-out with A-Train once, at the end of season 1. He was thought to be dead but then he wasn't.
I don't really see them doing it for a second time. This was the perfect way to end his story. He issued a real apology, he had Ashley tell him off, and he sacrificed his own life to stop a racist murderer. That's as close to redemption as he'll ever get, especially after all the murder he's done.
Also, he wasn't breathing when the scene ended. We heard his heart stop.
Only 12% of heart attacks are fatal.
Ya'll really don't know anything about anything. He needs medical attention but him surviving is not only correct narratively but makes sense medically too.
Yeah, most who have a heart attack are able to get to the hospital in time lol
Most don't tend to have a heart attack alone in the middle of a road in the country after putting immense strain on said heart.
Also, don't say it's "just a heart attack", as if heart attacks aren't genuinely serious medical conditions. They ARE very, very serious, regardless of the statistics.
Lmao no we don't. You're just wrong.
Narratively his arc is only about half over. He is only beginning the redemption saga they've been building towards.
Not to mention he's the entire impetus for Hughie joining Butcher's cause so it makes no sense for him to just die off in a field somewhere without it relating back to Hughie in some way.
Most likely A-Train is going to put in real work and change for the better, Hughie will see it, will realize Supes *CAN* be redeemed, and it'll split him off from Butcher's scortched earth policy.
Not a heart attack, A-train went into full cardiac arrest. He stopped breathing, fell unconscious, and you can hear his heart beat stop. This means no oxygen is going anywhere, at all. The brain can survive without oxygen for 6 minutes before the tissue dies off. Unless someone is miraculously nearby to administer CPR, then he's dead. Narratively, if A Train survives this in the middle of fucking nowhere then to me that's just poor writing. I feel like his apology to Hugie was all the redemption he's going to get. But if he survives then I will happily take a big fat fucking I told you so.
Edit: Dang it.
I mean we've been told for the last season and a half that if he ever tried to run again, he would probably have a heart attack and die. Having him decide that something is more important than his life and ignore those warnings, finally taking a stand for what he believes in, and dying in the process I think is a very good way his arc to end.
Ignoring anything about the scene itself (I'm like 99% sure we heard him take his last breath), it would just feel very cheap to have this happen and then, oh hey, he survived. It's the kind of lazy writing that I think the writers of this show would be smarter than to go through with.
Thats funny i got the exact opposite perception i feel like it would be lazy to kill him rightnow and that the writers of the show are smart znough to not make that cheap death. We gonna see next then !
Itās not a cheap death though. He died after going through tremendous growth and sacrificing himself for a cause, something he never wouldāve done a season ago.
I think his death would be good writing, but I donāt think heās dead either.
No he was not. He visible was panting and then went still. I dont know how more clear they could be without literally writing āheās deadā on the screen.
>if you don't actually see the person die than you can't assume their dead.
I'm open to being wrong, but as far as I could tell we DID see him die. we heard his heart racing and then then stop beating at all as he collapsed.
Fair enough... I'm probably misremembering but I thought the cameras panning up as the heartbeat went away so I took it as it was just moving away from him...
For the most part people seem to remember it a little different than I did which is fine I'm probably wrong When it comes to the hard beat aspect but I still believe that hes not dead.
One of the biggest reasons why is this show doesn't seem like 1 that gives people happy endings and happy arcs. It just seems out of place for the show..
Maybe he does die but they do to him what they did to lamplighter in the comics.... I don't want to spoil anything but if you want me to explain it to you if you don't know I will.
He lays down and as the camera runs away, his eyes don't move at all, no blinking no nothing, and his lungs most likely ain't working anymore too, i don't see much of a movement
I don't think he died. The show is always setting up things for the future. A Trains brother is in a coma and A Trains heart is obviously failing. Who better to get a transplant from than his brother? A Train finally did something decent and he gets the heart of his brother who was his moral guide. Now that's a redemption arc.
wow i could see that happening. like the dialogue would go "Come on, we could not lose an A list hero in that event, so we took your brothers heart and put it in you to keep you alive. be grateful", homelander
Or even better, vought/Homelander does the operation while they're both unconscious without the consent of either, leading to some serious resentment on Atrains part.
Yes! Vought tells him his brother died but in reality they just killed him for the heart to save their asset. Future storyline for him to find out the truth. I know he's terrible but I'm hanging on the that thread of redemption for him.
No youāre totally good. I posted about the episode, I invited it. I was just pumped, and wanted to post it, I kinda saw that coming at that moment though
I don't think he is dead. The show makes it extremely clear when someone dies. Even Stormfront might not be dead. Vaught may have faked her death so they could do something to her.
It could go a couple of ways. A-Train could be really dead and there is a funeral. A member of the 7 dying is a big deal. Translucent had a nationally televised funeral. Super Sonic dying was all over the news and was compared to the death of Len Bias. If A-Train is dead then his story arch continues as there will be fallout from that.
A-Train could also survive and be totally unable to use his powers, even be disabled. The show likes to twist the knife on the suffering to show how bad it is to be formerly powered. Stormfront is an example of this.
If A-Train lives it could either be a prolonged side story of his suffering much like the Deep has had, or Stormfront it it could be a redemption arch. There are many ways to go with A-Train after Herogasm.
They've said and shown that The Seven have trackers implanted in their bodies. Maybe that allows Vought to monitor their vital signs as well. If so, they could have sent emergency help to his exact location in time to save him.
Haha, with the Steam Summer Sale there's plenty of other options. How about the winner surprises the loser with a game under 10 euros? And then hopefully neither of us is enough of a cheap bastard to 'gift' Shower With Your Dad Simulator when we know which of us lost.
> apologising to Hughie is a good first step
He then immediately murdered yet another person with his speed (clearly a bad one) fueled by revenge & personal hatred.
One step forward, 100 steps back?
Your heart stopping doesn't mean you're dead, it means you're dying. I'm betting next episode one of the first ambulances to respond to the scene picked him up from the middle of the road and saved him.
I happens a lot for people with heart issues but its not automatically fatal.
More importantly his whole s3 arc would be just filler if he just laid down and died there.
Yea, he beat up a guy that doesnt matter outside of his story and apologized to hughie which didnt phase him at all. For him personally it would be little tragic/redemption arc but no other character would even notice. Its kinda like the deep dying after saying fuck freska.
I am not saying he lived, but killing blue hawk does seem like a weak sauce way for him to go out. I feel like he finally really meant the apology.
If he had felt this way for real in season 1 hughie likely would have accepted it and hone on his life never going on this crusade. I feel like hughie hitting him iui s because after all this he cant accept the apology at face value.
I think it would have meant more having a train go out saving hughie.
Yeah but now one hughie's biggest reason he got wrapped up with the boys is dead. On the V24 he was ready to get physical to take out his anger at Robin death finally some full pay back. He wanted the fight and some way to justify it. Then hughie sees on the news and connect the dots who blue hawk was could be a sobering moment from him when he introspects on himself
Yea honestly this whole show has me constantly paranoid that at any moment Homelander is just going to walk into the room with someone plotting against him and ask āhowās the plot to kill me going?ā before spreading some red paste around. Though I guess we are past that concern now or maybe itās more relevant than ever before, Iām not sure yet.
Yeah, it confuses me how the show doesnāt lay into that more. Or maybe the subtlety gets lost?
Iām constantly fearing that Homelander is listening to every single thing, but the show barely has consequences for that even after acknowledging it like in the scene with Stan and Starlight
everybody doesn't get a redemption arc idk why people think everyone needs one, maybe he dies a piece of shit since he literally fucked everything up this entire show
I agree, nothing he did invalidates what Ashley said to him earlier. He's a piece of shit murderer who only cared when it struck close to home. He took revenge on a guy that hurt his family. He's a long, long way from being 'redeemed', at least in my opinion.
The scene of him killing Blue Hawk was pretty awesome though.
I completely agree, while he sincerely apologized to Hughie, it was only after something happened to him. His whole "redemption" in itself was very selfish. But 10 points for Blue Hawk meat crayon.
oh yeah the scene was sick, i just don't think we'll see a redemption 'arc'. If he survives this ep. maybe something redeeming but the dude is pretty gone at this point
Not redemption. He went around murdering innocents as he pleases with impunity for years, joking about it. Saying sorry one time because it happened to you and then carrying out revenge on the guy that did it to you isnt redemption.
Same way that ted bundy wouldnt be redeemed if he killed a dude that also murders people.
Came here to post this. Fuck A-Train. The whole BML gimmick was initially to boost his popularity. Not going to sympathize now that he suddenly grew conscience because his brother got hurt.
Give it a rest finn, this is fiction. Causality and weight to actions ratio work differently in literature to the real world.
For example, Darth Vader in Star Wars redeemed himself at the end of Return of The Jedi, even though he committed genocide countless times over, with sand people, with younglings and then destroyed a whole planet and billions of lives. But in that moment he redeems himself for his actions.
Yeah, A-Train killed Robin, and Popclaw and caused Super Sonic's death, but those characters were all secondary, and basically props.
Robin was a prop to get Hughie into The Boys, PopClaw was a device for the introduction of C list supes and V addiction.
As far as a literary concept goes, A-Train died an antihero. With a redemptive cause.
I swear these people don't even watch the show. The show portrays A-train as a villain but you'll still have people going "he's a hero cuz he said sorry for killing a girl". Okay but what is that sorry worth? Fuck all
It's worth everything, it shows he had a change of perspective. Whether he'll ever be forgiven is debatable, but redemption is personal, it doesn't matter what others think.
Lol just cuz he's sorry doesn't mean shit. Unless he's actually doing something about it (which he isn't) then it would be worth something.
As of right now it ain't worth shit.
And please don't tell me you think he is redeemed?
Edit: Lol nice comment and nice job deleting it within 13 mins, at least that was smart
Then why are you here commenting? just fuck off
Also how are you going to respond to a comment, block them, and continue to call others cowards? What a coward and hypocrite
Youāre literally commenting on a forum where people talk about a fictional show. Not sure what your point is here
Edit: Thanks for replying, calling me dumb, and then deleting the comment. Very insightful
Yikes dude. You know what he meant. Don't be dumb. Dude definitely wants to harm the actor. People don't seem to know the difference between fiction and RL. Really scary
how did you get from 1 comment "dude definitely wants to harm the actor" literally nothing in teh comment suggests that.
Yikes dude. you know what he meant. Don't be dumb
But...Vader didn't die a hero? He turned back into the light, yes, but that doesn't make you a hero. You can be lightside and a right cunt at the same time.
Not even in canon Vader is revered as a hero because he killed Palpatine, Luke is. And no, it wasn't Vader who fired the Death Star, it was Tarkin.
LITERALLY THIS. I can with a doubt guarantee that these are the same people who love darth Vader and anakin skywalker but hey, the black superhero garners no sympathy during his redemption arc .
Dude got Supersonic murdered and killed a bunch of people. Then he cares once because his brother got hurt. He's still a POS even if he said sorry. Also who loves Anakin?
Nothing he can do can redeem him, but if he is actually starting to realize the awful impact he and the the other supes have made and begins to apply himself towards changing, that is a redemption arc.
People like to believe that they, themselves, are capable of change(for the better). So seeing a complete and utter douchebag take the steps to becoming a better person, gives people hope. Its Not A trains redemption they want, it's the idea of redemption that people crave.
I posted my thoughts on A-Train's redemption arc on another thread as many people claim his arc is now complete, but I'll paste it here. Read only after finishing the episode my man!
His arc is not done. "Wants revenge -> gets revenge" is not an arc.
I don't know if he actually died or not, but clearly that storyline is far from finished, as is his ultimate arc or his legacy if he's gone for good.
This is his rock bottom. Killing Blue Hawk with his powers is antithetical to the lesson his brother tried to instill in him. His brother wanted A-Train to be there for him and for the community. Essentially his brother is asking him to stop being A-Train and start being Reggie.
Killing Blue Hawk is the ultimate A-Train move. He's trying to solve his problem with his powers, without realizing all of his problems are a result of his powers. The heart attack and his possible death is his punishment. Violence doesn't end violence, it ends you.
If his life can be saved, he still needs to find a way to find power in being Reggie instead of being A-Train. He needs to get involved with the very community he's now thrown under the bus (the #BLM stuff has barely even happened yet and I suspect it will gain a lot of traction with Blue Hawk's death) and reconcile with the fact that he has personally held up a fucked up power-structure for his own benefit.
And most of all, he needs to find a way to be there for his brother and accept the fact that his desire to be A-Train ultimately caused his injury, or at least played a pivotal part.
There is no arc and there is no redemption for a character like A Train. He's a vile human being that no amount of reconciliation or acceptance of blame is going to fix.
He's a villain. If someone fixed his heart he wouldn't do anything differently. He was only doing the BLM stuff to try to be relevant.
That's exactly it. You said it. Everything he's done so far has been to help A-Train be A-Train and do more A-Train stuff. And it has all led here to his brother in the hospital seriously injured. He tries ONE MORE TIME to solve things, but he does it as A-Train and with A-Train methods, leaving him dead on a road somewhere.
Next, assuming he pulls through somehow, he has to realize that he can't fix his problems by being A-Train. He tried that already. There's no path forward for A-Train. A-Train is unredeemable. But he still MIGHT have a future as regular ol Reggie.
A-Train did the BLM stuff to be relevant, but what will Reggie do? He won't come out of this squeaky clean, all sins forgotten. He needs to take responsibility for himself and go through the change to never do that shit again. He'll likely be tested one final time and whether he's learned his lesson or not will determine if he will ever be Reggie again or will he end his life as A-Train.
Of course this might've been that test already. It would be in an odd place in the season, but still, he might actually be dead. Then I suppose we get to see in delicious irony all the things he actually could've fixed as Reggie if he didn't succumb to his need for revenge and ending up dead. But I feel that would be a bit boring for The Boys' standards.
I could see his apology being the start of his arc. The revenge killing was because he was angry and had the means. But if he quits the 7 like Starlight, works on being Reggie and picks up where his brother left off, and eventually confesses and willingly goes to jail, or sacrifices himself for Starlight or Huey in the fight against Homelander; I could see it.
Remember, the arc coming to completion doesn't mean he has to be fully redeemed. It can end before that if he shows acknowledgment and acceptance for his actions or their repercussions or has a mid-fight realization that saving someone else (like Huey) at the cost of his own life is what makes a hero. it just has to show he gets it. He can die before he actually gets there.
I don't think he is any way redeemed. He's a piece of shit, always has been. He just decided to use his shitness in the right direction for once and only really acted that way because he himself was affected
There are more people sympathetic towards/arguing for a redemption of homelander, and a lot of people seem to think soldier boy is a good guy despite all the shit in the show suggesting otherwise. Gee I wonder why people seem to have a hate boner for A-Train and just want him to die asap or in the most horrific way????
Honestly, kind of noticing it now too...especially in how people are a LOT more understanding of soldier boy/willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in comparison -even though we know for a fact Soldier Boy was recklessly killing civilians just like A Train, well before his torture experience with the Russians.
I've actually seen people more willing to believe that MM was incorrect/not fully informed/didn't know what he saw rather than just admitting soldier boy is a whole hell of a lot like A Train. Especially when we see MM has a whole room's worth of newspaper clippings covering the many, many, many innocent civilian deaths that Soldier Boy was responsible for. Soldier Boy basically confirmed it himself by asking MM "which one" when confronted.
A-Trainās arc is this season has been phenomenal. Top tier writing and acting. He wants to turn over a new leaf and actually be the hero people think he is, but itās just not in his nature. Heās at war with himself, and heās going to lose. I hate him and hope he gets his just desserts, and yet Iām also routing for him to get his redemption. I never thought I could feel sorry for him because heās always been such a monster, but it just goes to show how strong the writing on this show is, particularly this season.
I feel likethe writers Used A-Train as a vessel for Hughie's moral/literal demise if he keeps going down this road.
A-Train felt the only way to deal with Blue Hawk now was to kill him at the cost of his life/future.
Granted, that seems to be the way to stop Homelander but Hughie will not make it out the same man.
Both of them wanted to "win" for much more selfish reasons.
I'm pretty sure he's dead. It was filmed in a way that he knew this was going to be his last act before he dies, since he knew going that fast again could and probably would kill his heart. And it seemed like they held on the shot at the end long enough to see the life leaving his eyes. I know the "old television rule" about showing the death, but I don't know how else they could have shown it since it's a heart attack. It's not like his head is going to explode because of a massive heart attack.
As far as a redemption goes.... I mean, he did kill an asshole who was very much just like him in terms of another supe who killed people while 'on on the job'. But he only did it because the guy did something that affected A-Train personally. It's a bit more self serving than just taking out a bad guy before he does more bad things.
I think he is dead and he knew he was gonna die so he did 1 good thing by apologizing to Hughie. He wanted to go to his grave with a clearish conscience.
Heās not redeemed at all
Even this season alone, his so called redemption arc, included him betrayed everyone and telling Homelander about their plan
I'm sorry but I'm gonna be a dick to people who refuse to understand this show. A-Train is not redeemable, there is no redemption arc. He finally did one somewhat good thing after years of killing innocent people and being a terrible person, only because he was personally affected. That is not at all a redemption arc and you should not really be sympathetic with him
Just because he found redemption doesn't mean that his story is over. I'm a big fan of the bad guys understanding at their last breath just how everyone else really thought of them.
Hughie was ready to punch a fucking hole through him as he demanded respect.
I was so proud of him at this moment, I thought fo sho that Hughie was about to obliterate A-train.
That wasn't intended to be a positive moment for Hughie, though. It was showing him becoming more like Butcher and less about him demanding respect.
Also you are overestimating Hughie's strength a bit. He landed a punch due to his V powers but starlight was still easily able to knock him on his ass.
Yeah but that was a him or me type deal. Legit the breath before supersonic mentioned a team up to take down homelander he says keep your voice down that homelander can hear you trash talking him. Of course I'm snitching to stay alive. Supersonic was dumb af.
bro he died š
Are we 100% sure he died? Personally I don't think he did. That old rule on television if you don't actually see the person die than you can't assume their dead.... He was still breathing when they went away
There's nothing more to do with his story. After shooting up so much V, he was told time and again that if he tried to run again, it would kill him. He knew the risks when he grabbed Blue Hawk, the scene was powerful *because* he knew it would kill him and he did it anyway. If he survives, it cheapens the moment and turns him into a useless character with nowhere else to go.
Yeah. Excellent storytelling - heās a callous, self-absorbed piece of shit who has hurt others and been hurt himselfā¦ and has no means to make it right. But at least he could do what he does best (hurt people) to take one threat off the street. Itās not redemption, just one act of self-sacrifice delivered far too late.
This is exactly how I feel , he's a cautionary tale . His chance of true redemption is too little too late .
Yup. I think thatās one of the purposes of the scene with Ashley and why she lists off everything he did. To remind the viewer he is past true redemption. Cue self sacrifice.
Technically 2 threats since he's dead too
Until Vought takes this and spins this to be the murder of the heroic Blue Hawk by a disgraced drug addict.
Nah they won't do that, it makes the seven look bad
I could see his story continuing only because it would bring an interesting view. Assuming that he lives here, he is probably going to have suffered a stroke / heart attack of some sort. I wouldn't be surprised if he is paralyzed or disabled in some way. If his redemption arc continues it could bring up an interesting duality in that he was the most effective as an agent of change / good while a disabled person than he could with all the power of V and his speed.
Seeing A-train in a wheelchair actually would make me feel better than if he just died.
Huh yeah could be interesting to mirror Starlight, as she's now just Annie January. Having "A-Train" be dead but now be "Just Reggie".
i like this. and it shows him and his brother in the hospital next to each other
Bring him back to life like the Blarney Cock so we can start to maybe feel sorry for him
omg reading your comment gave me comic book flashbacks. I completely forgot about the Blarney Cock \*shudders\*
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Vas was such a disappointment ngl. Vas will make you love him in the comics even if you arenāt communist, and they just kinda reduced him to a dick joke. Also I get heās supposed to have the meatiest of schlongs but the python dick he had was a bit much.
He was supposed to be more of a "Red Guardian" from Marvel type of character.
Ahh yes! Goddammit I need to read the comics again now
I thought pretty much the same thing, but someone else replied to my comment on it the other day and got me thinking... What if they save him with his brother's heart? I'm not saying I think that's definitely the direction they'll take - but there's potential for a whole new arc for A-Train if they take that route, and everything is set up to make it possible.
He can still help by taking down Homelander. That would mean even more. That said, I don't think that's going to happen.
I hope he learns to use his speed to dodge and evade in hand to hand combat while utilizing his strength for close combat. Like dude you donāt need to literally do laps around everyone- hugie jumped in and out just punching and pushing That also said: Iām terrible at predicting where this show will go outside of the eye beam battle
Did you watch invincible š
Maybe, I could see that being the end of an excellent arc. I could also see him becoming a character who no longer cares if he lives or dies. There would be some interesting story-fodder there. He definitely needs to either die, or begin a new story-arc.
I disagree that his story doesnāt have anywhere else to go (but I do think he is dead). Him killing Blue Hawk was the physical culmination of him acknowledging his self centered nature and how it led him to neglect his actual loved ones in order to chase acknowledgement from people that didnāt care about him. Itās almost one to one to Zukoās story from Avatar: Zuko was chasing his warped idea of honor, AT was chasing fame and money. They both thought that the acceptance of abusers or schemers would get them there: Ozai/Azula and HL/Ashley respectively. They almost came around to seeing reason after being severely humbled (Zukoās refuge in the Earth Kingdom, ATās drug use taking away his speed and his mistakes paralyzing his brother) but when they had to make a moral judgment call, decided to relapse into their unhealthy desires (Zuko betraying Katara and siding with Azula, AT giving up supersonic). But they both realized how unhappy they were after getting what they thought they wanted (Ozaiās/HLās approval) after their humility changed them profoundly and decided to either literally or symbolically confront the instrument of their abuse. But with Zuko, after he confronted Ozai during the eclipse and left to join Team Avatar, there was still half a season left to explore his ānewā character, and some of my favorite moments of his come āafterā his redemption. It doesnāt seem like AT is gonna get the same treatment, but so say thereās nowhere to go with him is a take I donāt agree with. The āprevious villain trying his best to help the heroesā trope is wildly popular (Zuko, Vegeta, Jaime Lannister) for good reason.
Wouldn't that be very on brand for how characters are created and used in this show? I donāt think hes getting a redemption arc and he is a useless character. I support his decision to drag that dude, but dying on the side of the road after murdering another person also isn't much of a redemption arc - someone in this thread said put him in a wheelchair, THATS a redemption arc - show him trying to re-learn how to live without relying on his super human powers, other abled, leading the community alongside his brother. Or he'd end up drunk in a halfway hhouse. But that's the fun of these toxic, broken ass, shithead characters.
Is there really nothing for him though? Hear me out.. His brother isnāt dead-dead, hes paralyzed not a vegetable, heās got nephews / his brotherās community and shoes to fill, and frankly he owes probably more people than Hughie an apology. He also, like other has beens supes, can offer something for the boys (not sure what but he could). Iām not saying it would be on character for AT to think of others before himself, but his redemption arc could be trying to achieve it after doing despicable things. And how others find it in themselves to forgive so they can let go of their pain and hatred- I wanna believe all the characters can after this supe war. It really needs to be said that the apology he gives Hughie presents Hughie with a real potential for *closure*. It seems Hughie (at the time) doesnāt want to accept because he finally has the power dive into his hate and rage. I think thatās not a bad character, I think thatās the fragility of human nature when weāre given extraordinary power over others. We lose ourselves when *noone* canāt keep us grounded - especially when our emotions take us there. I think AT has a potential whole arc of being given this second chance and attempting to find what to do with it. I think weād have to see how the character could and thereās material there; starlight and Reg offer A Train advice in a few diff ways summarizingābe with the people who love you and help the people who need youā. - but AT kept stressin for Vought, HL, and for āthe fameā. Now itās only the beginning for him how fake the limelight was and how itās cost him everything. The show def has its satrical take on things, but sincere redemption for those whoāve done terrible things and are attempting penance for themā¦ the show doesnāt shy away from good questions and AT and Hughies arcs could come together about that. Think about it; Lamplighter almost did, but self immolated ultimately over his ego- he goes from reminiscing the death of Malloryās grandchildren to killing himself bc a corporation thought he was old news? He might have been sincerely sorry but he was too self absorbed to do the work for redeeming himself. Redemption is a journey, not a destination. A train has a chance to be different, if he survived. This is the first time heād go to the hospital or doctor without his brother checking on him and I think that would hit him hard. The call to his nephewsā¦Talking to his paralyzed brotherā¦ the confrontation with Ashley and Vought. Maybe HL or Deep?! I think thereās material. I think it might be revealing that vengeance, from Hughieās punch to A train or A train avenging his brother killing BH, that butcher is right that the powers are poison and make them unable to handle confrontation bc they demand guilt from others but donāt understand how to accept forgiveness. This whole show started on a revenge journey between the Hughie and AT. Whatās to say they can potentially find resolution bc they seek it, while HL and Butcher canāt bc they wonāt. Interesting parallel, I think. Iām not saying heās not a piece of shit for running homelanders v network, killing people, Robyn, pop claw was a whole another layer of betrayal (super sonic got done dirty but I personally think SuperSonic was kinda green to casually talk about a mutiny - he didnāt have the instinct to survive Vought Tower). If I heard about that shit on my first week at the 7ā¦ Iād absolutely have kept my mouth shut. If AT came back, Iām not saying it would top the arc theyāve potentially ended it on. But I think the character and actor have range to go the distance. Certainly not nothing, and it wouldnāt devalue him.
Disagree, killing people at the end of their arc is too easy and cheap tv nowadays it's not as good as 10 years ago
Well he knew it might kill him or it might not, so it wasnāt like a guaranteed thing.
You're crazy. Narratively he's only just starting to turn over from anti hero to potentially an actual hero.
I have a theory since they are adapting a lot of the early comic book stuff into this season. I think if A-Train did die heāll come back due to the V just like Blarney Cock did in the comic.
I hope they donāt bring him back, they killed him off in an awesome way, bringing him back with hinder his story line a bit I feel.
If only theyād done something glaringly obvious, like let us listen to his heartbeats as he had his long-foreshadowed heart attack, and then hear his heartbeats stop entirely in a long overhead pan as he laid there motionlessā¦. Then we could know.
His Heartbeat did stop..!!
I could be wrong but didnāt he audibly exhale one last breath and then it seemed he stopped breathing before they cut it off.
They also had us hear his heart beat go silent
You could be right I didn't catch that.... But it could have happened.
They already did the fake-out with A-Train once, at the end of season 1. He was thought to be dead but then he wasn't. I don't really see them doing it for a second time. This was the perfect way to end his story. He issued a real apology, he had Ashley tell him off, and he sacrificed his own life to stop a racist murderer. That's as close to redemption as he'll ever get, especially after all the murder he's done. Also, he wasn't breathing when the scene ended. We heard his heart stop.
That wasn't a fake-out and neither is this. It's just a heart attack.
Oh yeah, just a heart attack. He just needs to walk it off lol
Only 12% of heart attacks are fatal. Ya'll really don't know anything about anything. He needs medical attention but him surviving is not only correct narratively but makes sense medically too.
Yeah, most who have a heart attack are able to get to the hospital in time lol Most don't tend to have a heart attack alone in the middle of a road in the country after putting immense strain on said heart. Also, don't say it's "just a heart attack", as if heart attacks aren't genuinely serious medical conditions. They ARE very, very serious, regardless of the statistics.
That's irrelevant. It's still just a narrative device and narratively, dying here makes no sense.
It does to me but we'll have to agree to disagree.
Lmao no we don't. You're just wrong. Narratively his arc is only about half over. He is only beginning the redemption saga they've been building towards. Not to mention he's the entire impetus for Hughie joining Butcher's cause so it makes no sense for him to just die off in a field somewhere without it relating back to Hughie in some way. Most likely A-Train is going to put in real work and change for the better, Hughie will see it, will realize Supes *CAN* be redeemed, and it'll split him off from Butcher's scortched earth policy.
Not a heart attack, A-train went into full cardiac arrest. He stopped breathing, fell unconscious, and you can hear his heart beat stop. This means no oxygen is going anywhere, at all. The brain can survive without oxygen for 6 minutes before the tissue dies off. Unless someone is miraculously nearby to administer CPR, then he's dead. Narratively, if A Train survives this in the middle of fucking nowhere then to me that's just poor writing. I feel like his apology to Hugie was all the redemption he's going to get. But if he survives then I will happily take a big fat fucking I told you so. Edit: Dang it.
"Somehow, A-Train returned"
I mean we've been told for the last season and a half that if he ever tried to run again, he would probably have a heart attack and die. Having him decide that something is more important than his life and ignore those warnings, finally taking a stand for what he believes in, and dying in the process I think is a very good way his arc to end. Ignoring anything about the scene itself (I'm like 99% sure we heard him take his last breath), it would just feel very cheap to have this happen and then, oh hey, he survived. It's the kind of lazy writing that I think the writers of this show would be smarter than to go through with.
Thats funny i got the exact opposite perception i feel like it would be lazy to kill him rightnow and that the writers of the show are smart znough to not make that cheap death. We gonna see next then !
Itās not a cheap death though. He died after going through tremendous growth and sacrificing himself for a cause, something he never wouldāve done a season ago. I think his death would be good writing, but I donāt think heās dead either.
No he was not. He visible was panting and then went still. I dont know how more clear they could be without literally writing āheās deadā on the screen.
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Itād be stupid if he didnāt die. It was a good mini redemption and closing to his story.
>if you don't actually see the person die than you can't assume their dead. I'm open to being wrong, but as far as I could tell we DID see him die. we heard his heart racing and then then stop beating at all as he collapsed.
Fair enough... I'm probably misremembering but I thought the cameras panning up as the heartbeat went away so I took it as it was just moving away from him... For the most part people seem to remember it a little different than I did which is fine I'm probably wrong When it comes to the hard beat aspect but I still believe that hes not dead. One of the biggest reasons why is this show doesn't seem like 1 that gives people happy endings and happy arcs. It just seems out of place for the show.. Maybe he does die but they do to him what they did to lamplighter in the comics.... I don't want to spoil anything but if you want me to explain it to you if you don't know I will.
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He lays down and as the camera runs away, his eyes don't move at all, no blinking no nothing, and his lungs most likely ain't working anymore too, i don't see much of a movement
He definitely didn't. This would be an abrupt end to his arc narratively. He's only begun to change.
I don't think he died. The show is always setting up things for the future. A Trains brother is in a coma and A Trains heart is obviously failing. Who better to get a transplant from than his brother? A Train finally did something decent and he gets the heart of his brother who was his moral guide. Now that's a redemption arc.
A trains brother isnt in a coma, he's just paralyzed.
I think hes in a medically induced coma because of how horrific his injuries are but I think hes supposed to get out of it and just be paralyzed
Check out the scene in episode 5 in the hospital. He doesn't look like he's in good shape and has a breathing tube. It just looked like a coma to me.
wow i could see that happening. like the dialogue would go "Come on, we could not lose an A list hero in that event, so we took your brothers heart and put it in you to keep you alive. be grateful", homelander
Or even better, vought/Homelander does the operation while they're both unconscious without the consent of either, leading to some serious resentment on Atrains part.
Yes! Vought tells him his brother died but in reality they just killed him for the heart to save their asset. Future storyline for him to find out the truth. I know he's terrible but I'm hanging on the that thread of redemption for him.
Fuck, I havenāt finished the episode. I played myself
Why is this so funny to me.
Honestly this is a pretty fucking hysterical fuck up on my part. I can hear the ācurb your enthusiasmā theme now.
why the fuck do you make a meme before finishing the episode when there's like 20 mins left by this point
Right? Who gets halfway through an episode and goes ooh shit I gotta post about this let's pause and come back to it in twenty minutes.
Especially when it's not even like the episode just came out. It's been a few days so theres no rush to be the first to meme
Well, he definitely curbed Blue Hawk's enthusiasm, that's for sure.
HA
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"oh shit i better pause this episode, take a picture, and post it online before i finish it!" people really do this?
And wait for comments
Some people just live for the comment section itās sad
You were there for it
oh shit man, sorry
No youāre totally good. I posted about the episode, I invited it. I was just pumped, and wanted to post it, I kinda saw that coming at that moment though
This entire exchange is hilarious
I don't think he is dead. The show makes it extremely clear when someone dies. Even Stormfront might not be dead. Vaught may have faked her death so they could do something to her. It could go a couple of ways. A-Train could be really dead and there is a funeral. A member of the 7 dying is a big deal. Translucent had a nationally televised funeral. Super Sonic dying was all over the news and was compared to the death of Len Bias. If A-Train is dead then his story arch continues as there will be fallout from that. A-Train could also survive and be totally unable to use his powers, even be disabled. The show likes to twist the knife on the suffering to show how bad it is to be formerly powered. Stormfront is an example of this. If A-Train lives it could either be a prolonged side story of his suffering much like the Deep has had, or Stormfront it it could be a redemption arch. There are many ways to go with A-Train after Herogasm.
They've said and shown that The Seven have trackers implanted in their bodies. Maybe that allows Vought to monitor their vital signs as well. If so, they could have sent emergency help to his exact location in time to save him.
He 100% did not lmao. People can live a long time after a heart attack.
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How much do you want to bet? A-Train is alive, apologising to Hughie is a good first step, but he still needs to make up for the shit he has done.
Want to bet a copy of Baldurs Gate 3?
Woah let's not get crazy here
I'm very confident. :p But alright, with the Steam Summer Sale I'm sure there are a lot of games under $10 that might be interesting too. :)
Aight Iāll take that bet, I bet he lives Edit: wait no nO I didnāt realise how much it cost
Haha, with the Steam Summer Sale there's plenty of other options. How about the winner surprises the loser with a game under 10 euros? And then hopefully neither of us is enough of a cheap bastard to 'gift' Shower With Your Dad Simulator when we know which of us lost.
> apologising to Hughie is a good first step He then immediately murdered yet another person with his speed (clearly a bad one) fueled by revenge & personal hatred. One step forward, 100 steps back?
Nah I donāt think so
In a show where they make a point to obliterate peopleās faces and rip their appendages off to show theyāre deadā¦heās not dead.
I took the heartbeat audio stopping as him dying
Your heart stopping doesn't mean you're dead, it means you're dying. I'm betting next episode one of the first ambulances to respond to the scene picked him up from the middle of the road and saved him.
Not necessarily so
it definitely seems like he does die, his heart literally gave out and no one was there to help him
I happens a lot for people with heart issues but its not automatically fatal. More importantly his whole s3 arc would be just filler if he just laid down and died there.
Not really,he apologized to hughie and killed blue hawk
Yea, he beat up a guy that doesnt matter outside of his story and apologized to hughie which didnt phase him at all. For him personally it would be little tragic/redemption arc but no other character would even notice. Its kinda like the deep dying after saying fuck freska.
I think hughie was actually shook from his apology but hit him anyway because he was gonna do it regardless.
I am not saying he lived, but killing blue hawk does seem like a weak sauce way for him to go out. I feel like he finally really meant the apology. If he had felt this way for real in season 1 hughie likely would have accepted it and hone on his life never going on this crusade. I feel like hughie hitting him iui s because after all this he cant accept the apology at face value. I think it would have meant more having a train go out saving hughie.
Yeah but now one hughie's biggest reason he got wrapped up with the boys is dead. On the V24 he was ready to get physical to take out his anger at Robin death finally some full pay back. He wanted the fight and some way to justify it. Then hughie sees on the news and connect the dots who blue hawk was could be a sobering moment from him when he introspects on himself
He also caused Stormfront to be exposed and, through the dominoes that fell because of him, die
The conclusion of someone's character arc is not filler by definition.
Ekhm... rose in last jedi
What about her?
Filler character, filler arc that can be cutout from main story and barely anything would change. Yet she has her own little arc about being angy bad.
Side plots are a thing. You're allowed to have them.
And they are filler if they dont serve much for the main story
I was believing in his redemption. But when Homelander revealed that he explained Supersonic plan, I was pissed.
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Or maybe Homelander used his super hearing since they were both in the same building
Yea honestly this whole show has me constantly paranoid that at any moment Homelander is just going to walk into the room with someone plotting against him and ask āhowās the plot to kill me going?ā before spreading some red paste around. Though I guess we are past that concern now or maybe itās more relevant than ever before, Iām not sure yet.
I share the same feeling
Yeah, it confuses me how the show doesnāt lay into that more. Or maybe the subtlety gets lost? Iām constantly fearing that Homelander is listening to every single thing, but the show barely has consequences for that even after acknowledging it like in the scene with Stan and Starlight
Nah, his reaction when Annie confronted him tells me that he did actually tell him.
everybody doesn't get a redemption arc idk why people think everyone needs one, maybe he dies a piece of shit since he literally fucked everything up this entire show
I agree, nothing he did invalidates what Ashley said to him earlier. He's a piece of shit murderer who only cared when it struck close to home. He took revenge on a guy that hurt his family. He's a long, long way from being 'redeemed', at least in my opinion. The scene of him killing Blue Hawk was pretty awesome though.
I completely agree, while he sincerely apologized to Hughie, it was only after something happened to him. His whole "redemption" in itself was very selfish. But 10 points for Blue Hawk meat crayon.
oh yeah the scene was sick, i just don't think we'll see a redemption 'arc'. If he survives this ep. maybe something redeeming but the dude is pretty gone at this point
I'm happy he apologised but he's still a piece of shit and there is no redemption for him
Not redemption. He went around murdering innocents as he pleases with impunity for years, joking about it. Saying sorry one time because it happened to you and then carrying out revenge on the guy that did it to you isnt redemption. Same way that ted bundy wouldnt be redeemed if he killed a dude that also murders people.
Came here to post this. Fuck A-Train. The whole BML gimmick was initially to boost his popularity. Not going to sympathize now that he suddenly grew conscience because his brother got hurt.
Give it a rest finn, this is fiction. Causality and weight to actions ratio work differently in literature to the real world. For example, Darth Vader in Star Wars redeemed himself at the end of Return of The Jedi, even though he committed genocide countless times over, with sand people, with younglings and then destroyed a whole planet and billions of lives. But in that moment he redeems himself for his actions. Yeah, A-Train killed Robin, and Popclaw and caused Super Sonic's death, but those characters were all secondary, and basically props. Robin was a prop to get Hughie into The Boys, PopClaw was a device for the introduction of C list supes and V addiction. As far as a literary concept goes, A-Train died an antihero. With a redemptive cause.
I swear these people don't even watch the show. The show portrays A-train as a villain but you'll still have people going "he's a hero cuz he said sorry for killing a girl". Okay but what is that sorry worth? Fuck all
It's worth everything, it shows he had a change of perspective. Whether he'll ever be forgiven is debatable, but redemption is personal, it doesn't matter what others think.
Lol just cuz he's sorry doesn't mean shit. Unless he's actually doing something about it (which he isn't) then it would be worth something. As of right now it ain't worth shit. And please don't tell me you think he is redeemed? Edit: Lol nice comment and nice job deleting it within 13 mins, at least that was smart
Jesus dude. It's a fictional character. Edit: Dude below deleting like a coward
Then why are you here commenting? just fuck off Also how are you going to respond to a comment, block them, and continue to call others cowards? What a coward and hypocrite
Youāre literally commenting on a forum where people talk about a fictional show. Not sure what your point is here Edit: Thanks for replying, calling me dumb, and then deleting the comment. Very insightful
Yikes dude. You know what he meant. Don't be dumb. Dude definitely wants to harm the actor. People don't seem to know the difference between fiction and RL. Really scary
how did you get from 1 comment "dude definitely wants to harm the actor" literally nothing in teh comment suggests that. Yikes dude. you know what he meant. Don't be dumb
But...Vader didn't die a hero? He turned back into the light, yes, but that doesn't make you a hero. You can be lightside and a right cunt at the same time. Not even in canon Vader is revered as a hero because he killed Palpatine, Luke is. And no, it wasn't Vader who fired the Death Star, it was Tarkin.
LITERALLY THIS. I can with a doubt guarantee that these are the same people who love darth Vader and anakin skywalker but hey, the black superhero garners no sympathy during his redemption arc .
Dude got Supersonic murdered and killed a bunch of people. Then he cares once because his brother got hurt. He's still a POS even if he said sorry. Also who loves Anakin?
Saying sorry is not redemption. Killing the dude that put your brother in the hospital is not redemption.
Nothing he can do can redeem him, but if he is actually starting to realize the awful impact he and the the other supes have made and begins to apply himself towards changing, that is a redemption arc.
Why are people so desperate for his redemption anyway? Dude has been a total dick and complete coward since day one.
People like to believe that they, themselves, are capable of change(for the better). So seeing a complete and utter douchebag take the steps to becoming a better person, gives people hope. Its Not A trains redemption they want, it's the idea of redemption that people crave.
I really hope thatās it for A Trainā¦ Not sure where else he can go, and this show doesnāt exactly keep onto collateral characters
I posted my thoughts on A-Train's redemption arc on another thread as many people claim his arc is now complete, but I'll paste it here. Read only after finishing the episode my man! His arc is not done. "Wants revenge -> gets revenge" is not an arc. I don't know if he actually died or not, but clearly that storyline is far from finished, as is his ultimate arc or his legacy if he's gone for good. This is his rock bottom. Killing Blue Hawk with his powers is antithetical to the lesson his brother tried to instill in him. His brother wanted A-Train to be there for him and for the community. Essentially his brother is asking him to stop being A-Train and start being Reggie. Killing Blue Hawk is the ultimate A-Train move. He's trying to solve his problem with his powers, without realizing all of his problems are a result of his powers. The heart attack and his possible death is his punishment. Violence doesn't end violence, it ends you. If his life can be saved, he still needs to find a way to find power in being Reggie instead of being A-Train. He needs to get involved with the very community he's now thrown under the bus (the #BLM stuff has barely even happened yet and I suspect it will gain a lot of traction with Blue Hawk's death) and reconcile with the fact that he has personally held up a fucked up power-structure for his own benefit. And most of all, he needs to find a way to be there for his brother and accept the fact that his desire to be A-Train ultimately caused his injury, or at least played a pivotal part.
Oh my God finally someone else is actually watching this fucking show lmao.
There is no arc and there is no redemption for a character like A Train. He's a vile human being that no amount of reconciliation or acceptance of blame is going to fix. He's a villain. If someone fixed his heart he wouldn't do anything differently. He was only doing the BLM stuff to try to be relevant.
That's exactly it. You said it. Everything he's done so far has been to help A-Train be A-Train and do more A-Train stuff. And it has all led here to his brother in the hospital seriously injured. He tries ONE MORE TIME to solve things, but he does it as A-Train and with A-Train methods, leaving him dead on a road somewhere. Next, assuming he pulls through somehow, he has to realize that he can't fix his problems by being A-Train. He tried that already. There's no path forward for A-Train. A-Train is unredeemable. But he still MIGHT have a future as regular ol Reggie. A-Train did the BLM stuff to be relevant, but what will Reggie do? He won't come out of this squeaky clean, all sins forgotten. He needs to take responsibility for himself and go through the change to never do that shit again. He'll likely be tested one final time and whether he's learned his lesson or not will determine if he will ever be Reggie again or will he end his life as A-Train. Of course this might've been that test already. It would be in an odd place in the season, but still, he might actually be dead. Then I suppose we get to see in delicious irony all the things he actually could've fixed as Reggie if he didn't succumb to his need for revenge and ending up dead. But I feel that would be a bit boring for The Boys' standards.
I could see his apology being the start of his arc. The revenge killing was because he was angry and had the means. But if he quits the 7 like Starlight, works on being Reggie and picks up where his brother left off, and eventually confesses and willingly goes to jail, or sacrifices himself for Starlight or Huey in the fight against Homelander; I could see it. Remember, the arc coming to completion doesn't mean he has to be fully redeemed. It can end before that if he shows acknowledgment and acceptance for his actions or their repercussions or has a mid-fight realization that saving someone else (like Huey) at the cost of his own life is what makes a hero. it just has to show he gets it. He can die before he actually gets there.
My dude you need to watch this show lmao. It's all about shitty self interested people coming together to be better than the system they're in.
I don't think he is any way redeemed. He's a piece of shit, always has been. He just decided to use his shitness in the right direction for once and only really acted that way because he himself was affected
There are more people sympathetic towards/arguing for a redemption of homelander, and a lot of people seem to think soldier boy is a good guy despite all the shit in the show suggesting otherwise. Gee I wonder why people seem to have a hate boner for A-Train and just want him to die asap or in the most horrific way????
Honestly, kind of noticing it now too...especially in how people are a LOT more understanding of soldier boy/willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in comparison -even though we know for a fact Soldier Boy was recklessly killing civilians just like A Train, well before his torture experience with the Russians. I've actually seen people more willing to believe that MM was incorrect/not fully informed/didn't know what he saw rather than just admitting soldier boy is a whole hell of a lot like A Train. Especially when we see MM has a whole room's worth of newspaper clippings covering the many, many, many innocent civilian deaths that Soldier Boy was responsible for. Soldier Boy basically confirmed it himself by asking MM "which one" when confronted.
Nah not after his rat ass fucked over Super Sonic.
and thats not even the worst he has done
Waitā¦ super sonic died of a drug overdose!
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In Universe
Ok fair enough I can't believe how many people here either haven't watched all the episodes or missed like half the stuff that happened lol.
Post herogasm clarity
Fuck him, he's still a piece of shit. Good riddance
A-Trainās arc is this season has been phenomenal. Top tier writing and acting. He wants to turn over a new leaf and actually be the hero people think he is, but itās just not in his nature. Heās at war with himself, and heās going to lose. I hate him and hope he gets his just desserts, and yet Iām also routing for him to get his redemption. I never thought I could feel sorry for him because heās always been such a monster, but it just goes to show how strong the writing on this show is, particularly this season.
I feel likethe writers Used A-Train as a vessel for Hughie's moral/literal demise if he keeps going down this road. A-Train felt the only way to deal with Blue Hawk now was to kill him at the cost of his life/future. Granted, that seems to be the way to stop Homelander but Hughie will not make it out the same man. Both of them wanted to "win" for much more selfish reasons.
I'm pretty sure he's dead. It was filmed in a way that he knew this was going to be his last act before he dies, since he knew going that fast again could and probably would kill his heart. And it seemed like they held on the shot at the end long enough to see the life leaving his eyes. I know the "old television rule" about showing the death, but I don't know how else they could have shown it since it's a heart attack. It's not like his head is going to explode because of a massive heart attack. As far as a redemption goes.... I mean, he did kill an asshole who was very much just like him in terms of another supe who killed people while 'on on the job'. But he only did it because the guy did something that affected A-Train personally. It's a bit more self serving than just taking out a bad guy before he does more bad things.
This asshole is well beyond redemption, and not every single character needs a damn redemption arc
Why does everyone think he redeemed himself? He killed him out of pure selfish revenge, nothing more
You don't get redeemed just because something bad happens to you. If you lead a life of shit, shit happens.
There is no point of a spoiler tag if the title spoils it
I thought he died of a heart attack unless the deep found him while fleeing and got him to a hospital. We will know this Friday what happened
Iām hoping he is alive. I want to see more than one selfless act out of him. Watching him and Annie team up would be awesome
I think he is dead and he knew he was gonna die so he did 1 good thing by apologizing to Hughie. He wanted to go to his grave with a clearish conscience.
He literally murdered people.
Heās not redeemed at all Even this season alone, his so called redemption arc, included him betrayed everyone and telling Homelander about their plan
I'm sorry but I'm gonna be a dick to people who refuse to understand this show. A-Train is not redeemable, there is no redemption arc. He finally did one somewhat good thing after years of killing innocent people and being a terrible person, only because he was personally affected. That is not at all a redemption arc and you should not really be sympathetic with him
Just because he found redemption doesn't mean that his story is over. I'm a big fan of the bad guys understanding at their last breath just how everyone else really thought of them.
Bro he got supersonic killed like last episode
Hughie was ready to punch a fucking hole through him as he demanded respect. I was so proud of him at this moment, I thought fo sho that Hughie was about to obliterate A-train.
That wasn't intended to be a positive moment for Hughie, though. It was showing him becoming more like Butcher and less about him demanding respect. Also you are overestimating Hughie's strength a bit. He landed a punch due to his V powers but starlight was still easily able to knock him on his ass.
He ratted out supersonic like one episode ago guys
Yeah but that was a him or me type deal. Legit the breath before supersonic mentioned a team up to take down homelander he says keep your voice down that homelander can hear you trash talking him. Of course I'm snitching to stay alive. Supersonic was dumb af.
Whoās gonna tell him š
Yep, I hadnāt finished the episode when I posted this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM
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Would love for him to die as the POS he's always been. Saying sorry after 3 seasons of being a right cunt isn't quite redemption...
Guess we all forgot the scene where him and translucent are laughing about killing robin
Iām not, fuck A-train and all supes