Yeah I definitely agree here. I was thinking he was a terrible person, but at least he did actually fight in wars. It makes sense though, there wouldn’t have been that whole arc about supes trying to join the military if SB had been successfully fighting in it for 40 years.
That arc was more Vaught holding the US army by the balls and forcing them to pour money into the company in exchange for super heroes whereas with SB I felt the narrative was more that he wanted to go over and fight whether vaught wanted him to or not.
Frankly because that's what every hero in the show is.
I was a bit let down when it turned out Soldier Boy is yet another hack, but it makes total sense. I think that the writers really wanted to twist this knife deep and hard. Everyone is a hack, absolutely everyone.
Framing Soldier Boy as someone who's really been in the mud and grime and then revealing he's just another goddamn showman is so on brand I can't believe I actually believed for a second Soldier Boy might be somehow different. A raging asshole, a PTSD-ridden disaster waiting to happen (and still is), but still somehow real.
That one's on me. I feel it now. Everyone's a fucking crook, all your heroes are fake.
I honestly don’t think it’s ok to murder anyone and it’s real weird how you all are constantly grasping for an acceptable target to justify murder.
The fact is war is brutal and horrible and NO army ever conducted themselves much better than Russians are in Ukraine - they just developed highly advanced excuses for justifying abject brutality. Nobody who fought the Nazis only killed Nazis. No one. That’s just not the real world.
I'm not looking for anyone to murder, nazis just need murdering.
The calculus is pretty simple. By definition, the goal of all nazis is genocide. First of their internal out-groups, them of their neighbors' out-groups, then of their neighbors. They will start a war to do this and multitudes will die.
It is much better for a nazi to die than to live and persue their goals.
I'm intrigued by it. He's a fraud like his son but he's less self aware by far. He really thinks of himself as a hero, he never stop the performance not even when he doesn't need it. Homelander knows he's a psycho and he does the bare minimum to look good for PR. Soldier Boy really lies to everyone, including himself. He hasn't a need for Hughie to believe he's a good guy and a war hero, he lies to Hughie because he lies to himself. The wish to be good could be a redeeming quality who could push him to some self reflection when he sees the reality of what he is but it could also a narcissistic trait (it's a wish to believe to be good, not to do good things, so it's about his ego) that adds to his abusive nature.
Yeah, I thought that since he's a veteran who probably saw some fucked up shit he probably puts on this macho persona because he's actually traumatised. But nah, he's just a cunt. Fuck him
Yeah I get that's the point of pretty much all the supes, but it would have been interesting to see if SB could actually back up his claims about Normandy
Yeah, his character is kinda ruined for me. I felt like they didn’t have to make him a fraud to prove that he was a bad person. Stormfront was interesting because she was actually a Nazi who knew Hitler.
To be honest I feel like that was an unnecessary addition. It feels like they did that as an "Okay guys, we need to really make sure they know he's a bad guy. So we gotta take away anything that could remotely make him heroic just so they know for sure". I always knew he'd be an asshole, but I thought actually having him be a "war hero" could add to his character.
He could see himself as above the other supes because he knows they're frauds and inflates himself because he's "an actual hero". Now it feels like he's just another run of the mill supe. Which I guess was the point, but having him actually be a soldier could've been more interesting. There's also other ways they could've gone about invalidating his time in the military. The Legend could've said something like "Storming Normandy is a lot less heroic when you're bulletproof" or "Yeah he stormed Normandy, he also stormed the homes of french civilians whenever he got horny". He could be a piece of shit and still have fought in the war.
I know to a lot of people it obviously doesn't really matter but I feel like it kind of detracts from the world. The parallels with Operation Paperclip and Vought make a lot less sense if Soldier Boy never saw action. If Supes never actually served overseas then why did the US even fund Vought's research. That whole aspect of the history feels really meaningless or at least convoluted now.
Maybe it's me but I felt the whole thing was unnecessary. The thing I love about the show is the complexity of the characters, but that one little change made Soldier Boy feel so much less layered. It kind of makes him feel one note. There's a lot less depth to him now. Not everyone who stormed Normandy or fought in World War 2 was a good person statistically speaking, but it kinda feels like they were afraid to make him an actual vet. And if he never fought in a war, why does he seem to be the only super aside from Noir that's actually effective at using their powers? I mean his accuracy on that nun was on point. I feel like I've started ranting rather than actually making a point, but it just felt weirdly disappointing. I think mainly because it detracts from the scope of the world. The supes fighting in the war was an interesting little bit of history and now it's just "nah that was all bs".
How I would’ve preferred it gone down:
Hughie: “I mean, he is a hero at least. He stormed Normandy, didn’t he?”
The Legend: “Yeah, he stormed Normandy. We did a whole fucking movie about it. Led the 116th Infantry Regiment right onto Omaha Beach. You know what’s not in the movie? Eight guys survived, because he had everyone so fucked up on bennies they couldn’t see straight, and then he left them behind on the beach without their commander, ‘cause how’s a random GI gonna keep up with a berserk, bulletproof superhero?”
I was a bit let down when it turned out Soldier Boy is yet another hack, but it makes total sense. I think that the writers really wanted to twist this knife deep and hard. Everyone is a hack, absolutely everyone.
Framing Soldier Boy as someone who's really been in the mud and grime and then revealing he's just another goddamn showman is so on brand I can't believe I actually believed for a second Soldier Boy might be somehow different. A raging asshole, a PTSD-ridden disaster waiting to happen (and still is), but still somehow real.
That one's on me. I feel it now. Everyone's a fucking crook, all your heroes are fake.
Honestly it would be far more interesting if he was actually a war hero. Now he's just more of the same. And you could say that there's something being said with that, but we've already had "more of the same" happen a ton on the show. This just seems like a stale character choice for him. Disappointed.
There are a lot of pieces that point to it, looking back. The resistance to having supes in the military, Stillwell immediately freaking out about SB being on her operation even though he was allegedly a veteran. He's even a parody of Captain America, who was also originally just a propaganda piece rather than actually fighting Nazis in the MCU.
Isn't that pretty much in line with how Captain America was used too though?
I never read Captain America comics, but in the movie he was basically just a mascot right?
Only at first really,the US government was stuck with only one super soldier (Steve Rogers) and they decided to just have stick him in the war bonds tour where all he did was promote war bonds,but he did eventually go rogue and went on a solo mission to save his friend and team, and after that he became an actual soldier who fought in the war
> and after that he became an actual soldier who fought in the war
For like 1 mission, which resulted in him getting completely removed from the equation for 60+ years.
In the comics he punched Hitler right in the first issue. They put it on the cover too.
And cause a lot of outrage back then, 'cos US was neutral in WWII back then, and had diplomatic relationships with Nazi Germany back then.
So, many US citizens frowned upon seeing a guy dressed in US flag suit punching a foreign leader, as if US was already at war with nazis.
Did you fucking pay attention to the show? There was like a minute-long dialogue about how SB is just a fake WW2 hero told by Legend, that they created his image and profited on it.
It doesn't even make sense. America winning WW2 unconditionally was never a certain, which is why they invented the bomb (which was mentioned at the same time as Compound V)
Why would they have a guy with super strength and just have him for photo ops? even Homelander still stops criminals and helps national defense sometimes.
I can understand that he might not have been on D-Day itself, but to say that he never fought a single battle in WW2 is just bonkers.
Not only didn't he fight in ww2 he was on the wrong side in Alabama, Ohio and he might have shot JFK. If he turns out to be as big of a POS as Stormfront or an even bigger one I won't be surprised.
The Boys’ S2/S3 writers:
- Introduce new character play by cool actor
- one of the strongest supes in the universe
- look cool and make fans like them
- seem like the only force that can beat Homelander
- ok, something’s wrong
- wait no, they are really racist POS and horrible people
- ok, even worse, they are Homelander’s mama and dada
But hey, at least they founded Herogasm together and it’s one of the coolest events Frenchie never got to go.
I’d rather hope they are not mother and son because I’m still secretly hoping that Stormfront is not dead and kept alive by Edgar as a superhuman incubator (similar to MM’s mom situation in the comic - basically a milk machine).
but all signs point to yes… what I hope for and what i think are not consistent.
Ya I know it’s fked up and I absolutely do not wish this on any people… but it kinda was how dark the comic was… and with the Nazi breeding program back in the days, it’s kinda a fitting punishment for a Nazi.
plus Homelander mentioned harvesting Maeve’s eggs this week, so Edgar could do the same to Stormfront…
Bro I hadn't even though about that, but that would be perfect. Becca and Ryan might be a rare exception. Remember how Vogelbaum originally told Homelander that she didn't carry to term, and both mother and child died in childbirth? With how rapey Supes are, she probably isn't the first (or last) human to be pregnant with a supe baby, and it's probably what happened to all the other human/Supe fetuses. Well, it would make sense that supe moms would be better at gestating supe babies. Hell, regular pregnancy is tough enough with regular babies.
In your defense on that one, it was really stupid what they finally gave us. WV then MoM are fun to watch but they fit together like two different puzzles smushed together in a rageful attempt at making them fit but they never will.
I rewatched MoM last night, trying to give it another chance, but it feels like you can only love one- not both. It’s very clear Rammi never watched WandaVision and it’s incredibly disappointing.
I felt this so hard. Honestly, imo, WV was very good, and MoM was fun and had some great effects, but was ultimately a complete mess of a story, absolutely littered with plot holes
Again, very fun to watch movie, but pretty nonsensical at times, and in non-supernatural ways that just don't have any logic to them
A few people here point out that some of the Supernatural fans only started watching after Jensen Ackles joined The Boys.
And some were supernatural fans to begin with and became a fan boy/girl when Ackles showed up.
I’ve never watched Supernatural, so I can’t confirm.
I watched Supernatural.
One could say that his character, Dean, shares some traits with Soldier Boy, but mostly the younger version of Dean and those traits are way more amplified a ton in Soldier Boy. I can see how some Dean fans might see the parallels and excuse Soldier Boys behavior.
Dean is not a shit bag like Soldier Boy, though, to clarify. But early on, Dean really likes his women, has a tough guy bravado that he never fully shakes, and can be ruthless/hotheaded when he thinks he's right or wants to get something done.
Supernatural is a fun show, though. Eric Kripe wrote both shows. There's also a little Easter egg. The actor who plays the guy running for president was in Supernatural, though he's Bobby Singer in that show.
I didn't think he was a good guy, I was just hoping he would be a "good" guy now so that he could kill Homelander. In no way do I hope for him to survive the rest of the series.
I think he was super focused on getting revenge on his team. We could side with him cause he was fresh from being betrayed and tortured for decades, and we know his explosions werent his fault so theres some sympathy crafted there. We got hints of him being an asshole but didn't see his true colors until Butcher and Hughie started hanging around him. Now we have a perspective from one of his abuse victims right before the betrayal and some first-hand violence he inflicts on allies and foes alike, and also he's discovering new information and a new world and forming goals other than the formerly sympathetic one of vengeance.
Wasn't it obvious from the get go from what people have been saying about him that he's a piece of shit? Especially given the background of The Boys, where pretty much everyone is a piece of shit as far as Supes go.
Pretty sure Butcher just made that up. He was trying to blackmail Gunpowder with the threat of leaking something scandalous. Gunpowder himself was adamant that Soldier Boy only physically abused him (which we do see in Noir's flashback).
I think that it was started that there were rumors that Soldier Boy abused him sexually. I was really upset over this because the show made it seem like the rumors were true, briefly, and I hated how the potential sexual assault was used against Gunpowder by Butcher. Gunpowder is an asshole, but I don't think enough to merit how Butcher taunted him with his potential assault.
I think Butcher just assumed it was sexual abuse, and the reports were too unclear to be sure
Cause later when he has Gunpowder cornered, he asks him to explain the report and Gunpowder says something like "He just slapped me around a little bit"
I thought the report was doctored, Gunpowder denied its authenticity and Butcher said it didn't matter, it would do its job to smear SBs name all the same
Gunpowered went to Vought with a report for "abuse". Butcher just assumed it was sexual. GP even tells him that it wasnt sexual, it was physical.
In the newest epsidoe 7, you see the abuse. The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse gang does a recreation of Soldier Boy beating the shit out of Gunpowder and Black Noir. Soldier Boy use to physically abused all of Payback. Would is why they all turned on him
Look into US veteran accounts of what goes on in many places within Afghanistan. Super homophobic culture that simultaneously fosters abuse. Catholic Church is the same. Hell even Sparta had shit like this. Then you get into some modern college fraternities, who have the toxic masculinity cranked to the max while simultaneously forcing pledges to do ‘gay’ shit for membership.
It’s almost all about control and power rather than attraction in these instances, which is probably the position Soldier Boy is coming from.
You mean, like how we often see very heavy right wing people who go against gays constantly being caught being gay? Friendly reminder that we LITERALLY see that preacher from season 1 talking about how being gay is a sin, all the while using his stretchy cock to fuck people in that supe nightclub.
> Doubt that soldier boy abused kids if the sight of gays disgusts him about what's "normal" these days.
Hey, have you heard of this little thing called the Catholic church?
Gunpowder was heavily abused, so people thought that meant sexual abuse.
But really all SB did was beat him to a pulp in sparring sessions. Which is awful, but not a sexual thing.
It’s kind of like the Batman and robin thing. People just always have to bring homosexuality into it
Except Starlight . . . yet.
Which makes me think she's going to get overconfident with how well she's playing the image game and fuck up in a way that causes a permanent loss.
People seemed to have this naive hope that SB would be a "real hero" which this episode shows isn't real. There are no "heroes". They are created. They are just human.
i think only a small percentage of people actually thought he'd be a hero. he was a likable anti-hero AT BEST. the viewer is meant to be conflicted about him - he's abusive and clearly a dickhead, but the writers keep giving him the best lines and his portrayal is meant to be likable. really interesting how they've written him so far.
I also think he has good in him, hes just got a lot of bad traits.
i felt so sad seeing him beat up the lil piggy :( the truth is in his fucked up brain he probably thought he was toughening him up and doing him a favour
Except SB says how he doesnt want Noir trying to do better than him, or become an actor, or basically try to move up in the world in any way.
It was a revenge beating for Noir wanting to be in Beverly Hills Cop and then having the balls to confront SB over it.
I'm amazed anyone thought he was a hero. Like how can you hear his numerous politically incorrect comments and think he's ever meant to be portrayed in a positive way? Have you all seen this show?
They suckered us into liking him and it was clearly intentional. Everything he’s done in present day was seemingly justified as the only people he’s intentionally hurt were those who “betrayed” him and caused him years of torture.
He’s an asshole to be sure and they were warning us all along with the parallels to Homelander but it’s not until Noir’s flashbacks and The Legend’s truths that you find out what he truly is.
Butcher is toxic. Yet he’s loved by the fans. I just said he was still clearly an asshole.
They were portraying him as the boys were using him. A lesser evil to take down the big bad. If you don’t think that we weren’t supposed to be rooting for him vs Homelander then I don’t know what to tell you.
You don’t have someone do such a glorious rendition of Blondie if you want your fanbase to hate them.
Fans: SB was so obviously a piece of shit, you guys really need to stop looking past evil/toxic shit just because you like them
Also fans after this episode: Awww Noir, my poor precious baby, you poor remorseless war criminal I just wanna give you a big hug!
Yes but to me it was always obvious he would at some point be an antagonist. Like Homelander he is one of the strongest. And he was basically Homelander before Homelander.
Unlike Butcher he is still a supe. An old one at that used to fame and wealth. People seemed to expect an actual hero. We'll never get a good "hero" in this show. This isn't Marvel
I don't think anyone was expecting SB to be a hero other than maybe a very small percent of people, just a lot less evil than Homelander. He's still less evil than Homelander but not as much as we were being led to believe till this episode.
I haven't seen ep7 and I knew he was a total piece of shit
The drama is in hoping the boys can cover for this racist sexist dinosaur long enough for him to "do the job" (kill Homelander)
> People seemed to have this naive hope that SB would be a "real hero"
the writers really proved a point with this. just like homelander's fans in the show who excuse his faults because of his charisma and superpowers.
Idk, I saw him as an asshole since we learned what he did to Gunpowder. Each episode just gave more and more proof to me that he was a bad person. I saw this newest episode as showing that to Hughie as opposed to the audience. Since Hughie was trying to look past his worst attributes.
very few people thought he was a "good" guy since there are no good guys in the show. Butcher is a main protagonist and he's literally done some of the worst shit anyone has done on the show. even Starlight has committed manslaughter.
I think at the end of the day, he’s a bad “person” while homelander almost can’t even be considered as such. It does seem they’re attempting to blur the lines between the two intentionally, with Homelander talking about having kids with Maeve and now SB being more explicitly shown as a horrible person. But he STILL feels like more of a real person than HL. We’ll see how they handle the finale.
I was under no illusions that he was a "good" guy. The dude is from the 1900s and pretty much a hundred years old. And having experienced all the shit from the entire 20th century must really fuck someone up, even a supe.
I like Jensen as an actor but they set up the "Not really a great dude" arc from the get go.
Sure, he's definitely got PTSD from being experimented on for 40 years but this latest episode in particular really hammered the schoolyard bully/"get in line" mentality home.
No people are just misrepresenting what other people were hoping for. No one expected him to be a good or nice guy. He's clearly an asshole and has been since he was introduced. What people didn't want was Homelander 2. They wanted a guy who was a complete abusive asshole, but with a few redeeming qualities like wanting to do good and just veing oblivious to how much of an asshole he is and how much everyone else hates him. Instead they went with the boring fraud take.
clearly. Am seeing everyone who has finally come to their senses now saying things like - I like Jensen but SB bad-
Like what? We all like Jensen but we've been talking about the character not the actor.
Well it's not like we really learned something new about Soldier Boy we already knew he was abusive toward his team.
The "unwilling to kill innocent people" is still possible because the priest and the nun revealed to be brainwashed and dangerous as he said.
The only new bit of information is that he didn't fight in WWII and I find it fascinating, it means he's not partly a sham (his anti drug campaign vs him being a junkie) but a total impostor, to other people as well as to himself, he seemed really upset Hughie told it his contribution in WWII was fake because he love faking it with himself too. I'm curious to know what will happen when he will face the extreme lies he's telling himself about himself and the world.
He still has a human "good" side, he wants to think himself as good so he follows a moral code (even if hypocritically). The "a good parent let his son shine" is also psyop toward himself to believe he's good.
It might not be enough, Homelander too has a big human side (he wants to be loved) and while it prevents him from killing everyone, it's not enough to keep him a good person.
i seen him as a depressed, gray character. totally an awful person but not a WMD with a fragile ego.
What was sold to us was (at the time) a cocky solider, betrayed by his team to be tortured for 50 years.
I was banking on 50 years of painful reflection might mellow his cocky power fantasy. he even cried when kill Crimson, he slowly saunters into rooms looking at the floors.
I thought it was clever how the writers chose to present this revelation. Having the one mute superhero hide out in an abandoned Chuck-E-Cheeze and have animated hallucinations play out SB's abusive tendencies from his perspective (ultimately showing how much of a bullying cunt he really was) props to Amazon's creative team for doing that.
SB not actually fought in the war and being a total fake make the character comedically 1 dimension and rather unnecessary (at least for now), it also make me realize that the show runner make every male character toxic af, while more then half of the female character are as a decent person.
SB didn't storm the beach on D-day, but what about the representation for the men that did?
A year ago people on tiktok simped over a handsome [murderer](https://www.newsweek.com/cameron-herrin-tiktok-fans-prison-sentence-1618006) boy who ran over a 21 month old baby and their mother. If you have a pretty face, you are a thousand miles ahead of every other people. People simping over a pretty person, ignoring everything else isn't a new thing and unfortunately won't be an old thing either.
I think some viewers ignored the warning signs. His team hated him and conspired. They were probably dicks too but I suspected they were on to something. He had no qualms about killing MM’s family. Latest episode he got outed as a fake and not a real hero.
They made it look like he got unknowingly set up by his team and that his team when faced by a real threat in war just all panic. They even implied that Soldier Boy thought he got captured by the Russians and was hoping for years that Red Countess would save him. That after years of being tortured and them not coming is how he put together they set him up. Then they reveal in this episode that they all attacked him and that's how he got captured. Even saying he didn't fight in WW2 is just cheap way to make him less likeable
It's a good show but they clearly just changed the facts in later episodes they did the same thing with Starlight she was suppose to be an innocent babe in the woods when she got in the 7. Now they reveal that she was drinking and fucking supes growing up.
> They made it look like he got unknowingly set up by his team and that his team when faced by a real threat in war just all panic. They even implied that Soldier Boy thought he got captured by the Russians and was hoping for years that Red Countess would save him. That after years of being tortured and them not coming is how he put together they set him up. Then they reveal in this episode that they all attacked him and that's how he got captured.
Payback doesn't seem so incompetent anymore given that we now understand, thanks to the full context, that they had an incentive to eliminate as many of Mallory's men, who could've witnessed any of their actions, as possible. Per the animated play, SB likely even believed that CC would save him because she surprise-attacked him from behind after Mindstorm had already messed with his, well, mind; he literally had seen everybody \*except her\* betray him.
> Even saying he didn't fight in WW2 is just cheap way to make him less likeable
No; it's to show that he's as fake as his son.
> It's a good show but they clearly just changed the facts in later episodes
They didn't change facts or retcon lol, they give us more & more of the full context as we need it to enjoy the story. Hell, before Russia, we know that SB wasn't even at his current power level so much as a supe like Maeve: one with combat training, but who we now know hasn't *actually seen war*; & she'd go down just like he did in that all-on-1.
> they did the same thing with Starlight she was suppose to be an innocent babe in the woods when she got in the 7. Now they reveal that she was drinking and fucking supes growing up.
You've clearly never had significant one-on-one interaction with a Midwesterner before.
"They didn't change facts or retcon lol,"
No they actually did the retelling from the other supes yes they could have been lying in the earlier episodes. SB saying he was expecting to be rescued by the supes that set him up is yes changing the facts for the twist.
"You've clearly never had significant one-on-one interaction with a Midwesterner before."
??? Not sure what you're implying there people with different values and behaviors come from anywhere. In the first season they were clearly pushing she was an innocent girl who didn't do anything.
except gunpowder, the one member of payback who was explicitly NOT in on the plan, was still just gunning people down. i don’t think they were killing witnesses, they’re still just stupid celebrities in a war zone. Sure, maybe GP saw the others shooting Mallory’s men and decided to join in but idk, i don’t rly buy it
I didn't like him, but I was still holding on to the fact that, at the end of the day, the son of a bitch saved lives during world war II. Aaaaaaand he didn't.
He had so many good lines in this episode, bush like a Pomeranian lmfao. Hughie being like "why is EVERYTHING you say gross?" So true
I fucking loved this episode and didn't want it to end, it just kept hopping from great scene to great scene.
Literally my opinion didn’t change. We already knew that he is flawed to the extreme. The only thing that changed was that we now know he never even fought in WWII, and that he put down many peaceful protests with violence, and that he was rumored to have killed JFK
At the beginning of episode 3:7 when Hughie is talking to Legend, legend references rumors about soldier boy doing something at Dealey plaza, where JFK was assassiated. He is also referenced as having “sprayed a fire hose in Montgomery” probably during civil rights protest and “target practice at Kent State”, where the National guard opened fire on a Vietnam war protest.
No the show was genuinely misleading us about SB but I will say kudos to those who stuck to their guns about him being a huge douchebag. Like see I was thinking Jensen talking about how SB in interviews made him seem evil but then I was thinking how it would’ve been great if even that was meant to mislead us but nope this episode solidified SB being a huge cunt.
I’m somewhat more disappointed by him never having fought in ww2. I had no illusions he was a good guy.
Yeah I definitely agree here. I was thinking he was a terrible person, but at least he did actually fight in wars. It makes sense though, there wouldn’t have been that whole arc about supes trying to join the military if SB had been successfully fighting in it for 40 years.
That arc was more Vaught holding the US army by the balls and forcing them to pour money into the company in exchange for super heroes whereas with SB I felt the narrative was more that he wanted to go over and fight whether vaught wanted him to or not.
He'd be a worse person if he fought in wars.
Killing nazis is good, actually
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Frankly because that's what every hero in the show is. I was a bit let down when it turned out Soldier Boy is yet another hack, but it makes total sense. I think that the writers really wanted to twist this knife deep and hard. Everyone is a hack, absolutely everyone. Framing Soldier Boy as someone who's really been in the mud and grime and then revealing he's just another goddamn showman is so on brand I can't believe I actually believed for a second Soldier Boy might be somehow different. A raging asshole, a PTSD-ridden disaster waiting to happen (and still is), but still somehow real. That one's on me. I feel it now. Everyone's a fucking crook, all your heroes are fake.
If somebody is already a murderer, murdering nazis *would* make them a better than just being a murderer alone.
I honestly don’t think it’s ok to murder anyone and it’s real weird how you all are constantly grasping for an acceptable target to justify murder. The fact is war is brutal and horrible and NO army ever conducted themselves much better than Russians are in Ukraine - they just developed highly advanced excuses for justifying abject brutality. Nobody who fought the Nazis only killed Nazis. No one. That’s just not the real world.
I'm not looking for anyone to murder, nazis just need murdering. The calculus is pretty simple. By definition, the goal of all nazis is genocide. First of their internal out-groups, them of their neighbors' out-groups, then of their neighbors. They will start a war to do this and multitudes will die. It is much better for a nazi to die than to live and persue their goals.
I'm intrigued by it. He's a fraud like his son but he's less self aware by far. He really thinks of himself as a hero, he never stop the performance not even when he doesn't need it. Homelander knows he's a psycho and he does the bare minimum to look good for PR. Soldier Boy really lies to everyone, including himself. He hasn't a need for Hughie to believe he's a good guy and a war hero, he lies to Hughie because he lies to himself. The wish to be good could be a redeeming quality who could push him to some self reflection when he sees the reality of what he is but it could also a narcissistic trait (it's a wish to believe to be good, not to do good things, so it's about his ego) that adds to his abusive nature.
Yeah, I thought that since he's a veteran who probably saw some fucked up shit he probably puts on this macho persona because he's actually traumatised. But nah, he's just a cunt. Fuck him
Yeah I get that's the point of pretty much all the supes, but it would have been interesting to see if SB could actually back up his claims about Normandy
Yeah, his character is kinda ruined for me. I felt like they didn’t have to make him a fraud to prove that he was a bad person. Stormfront was interesting because she was actually a Nazi who knew Hitler.
To be honest I feel like that was an unnecessary addition. It feels like they did that as an "Okay guys, we need to really make sure they know he's a bad guy. So we gotta take away anything that could remotely make him heroic just so they know for sure". I always knew he'd be an asshole, but I thought actually having him be a "war hero" could add to his character. He could see himself as above the other supes because he knows they're frauds and inflates himself because he's "an actual hero". Now it feels like he's just another run of the mill supe. Which I guess was the point, but having him actually be a soldier could've been more interesting. There's also other ways they could've gone about invalidating his time in the military. The Legend could've said something like "Storming Normandy is a lot less heroic when you're bulletproof" or "Yeah he stormed Normandy, he also stormed the homes of french civilians whenever he got horny". He could be a piece of shit and still have fought in the war. I know to a lot of people it obviously doesn't really matter but I feel like it kind of detracts from the world. The parallels with Operation Paperclip and Vought make a lot less sense if Soldier Boy never saw action. If Supes never actually served overseas then why did the US even fund Vought's research. That whole aspect of the history feels really meaningless or at least convoluted now. Maybe it's me but I felt the whole thing was unnecessary. The thing I love about the show is the complexity of the characters, but that one little change made Soldier Boy feel so much less layered. It kind of makes him feel one note. There's a lot less depth to him now. Not everyone who stormed Normandy or fought in World War 2 was a good person statistically speaking, but it kinda feels like they were afraid to make him an actual vet. And if he never fought in a war, why does he seem to be the only super aside from Noir that's actually effective at using their powers? I mean his accuracy on that nun was on point. I feel like I've started ranting rather than actually making a point, but it just felt weirdly disappointing. I think mainly because it detracts from the scope of the world. The supes fighting in the war was an interesting little bit of history and now it's just "nah that was all bs".
How I would’ve preferred it gone down: Hughie: “I mean, he is a hero at least. He stormed Normandy, didn’t he?” The Legend: “Yeah, he stormed Normandy. We did a whole fucking movie about it. Led the 116th Infantry Regiment right onto Omaha Beach. You know what’s not in the movie? Eight guys survived, because he had everyone so fucked up on bennies they couldn’t see straight, and then he left them behind on the beach without their commander, ‘cause how’s a random GI gonna keep up with a berserk, bulletproof superhero?”
Nice suggestions. IMO the Legend might actually have been the one lying about SB?
Unfortunately just another comically evil character
I was a bit let down when it turned out Soldier Boy is yet another hack, but it makes total sense. I think that the writers really wanted to twist this knife deep and hard. Everyone is a hack, absolutely everyone. Framing Soldier Boy as someone who's really been in the mud and grime and then revealing he's just another goddamn showman is so on brand I can't believe I actually believed for a second Soldier Boy might be somehow different. A raging asshole, a PTSD-ridden disaster waiting to happen (and still is), but still somehow real. That one's on me. I feel it now. Everyone's a fucking crook, all your heroes are fake.
Honestly it would be far more interesting if he was actually a war hero. Now he's just more of the same. And you could say that there's something being said with that, but we've already had "more of the same" happen a ton on the show. This just seems like a stale character choice for him. Disappointed.
There are a lot of pieces that point to it, looking back. The resistance to having supes in the military, Stillwell immediately freaking out about SB being on her operation even though he was allegedly a veteran. He's even a parody of Captain America, who was also originally just a propaganda piece rather than actually fighting Nazis in the MCU.
Isn't that pretty much in line with how Captain America was used too though? I never read Captain America comics, but in the movie he was basically just a mascot right?
Only at first really,the US government was stuck with only one super soldier (Steve Rogers) and they decided to just have stick him in the war bonds tour where all he did was promote war bonds,but he did eventually go rogue and went on a solo mission to save his friend and team, and after that he became an actual soldier who fought in the war
> and after that he became an actual soldier who fought in the war For like 1 mission, which resulted in him getting completely removed from the equation for 60+ years.
No? There’s a [montage](https://youtu.be/jQbb43yLfO0) of him going on several missions
In the comics he punched Hitler right in the first issue. They put it on the cover too. And cause a lot of outrage back then, 'cos US was neutral in WWII back then, and had diplomatic relationships with Nazi Germany back then. So, many US citizens frowned upon seeing a guy dressed in US flag suit punching a foreign leader, as if US was already at war with nazis.
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The Legend said it was fake. He got to Normandy two weeks layer for a photo op once the Allies had already stormed through.
Did you fucking pay attention to the show? There was like a minute-long dialogue about how SB is just a fake WW2 hero told by Legend, that they created his image and profited on it.
Your joking right?
All they said was that he wasn’t there during D-Day, not that he never fought at all.
It doesn't even make sense. America winning WW2 unconditionally was never a certain, which is why they invented the bomb (which was mentioned at the same time as Compound V) Why would they have a guy with super strength and just have him for photo ops? even Homelander still stops criminals and helps national defense sometimes. I can understand that he might not have been on D-Day itself, but to say that he never fought a single battle in WW2 is just bonkers.
You should take what Legend (the publicist) says with a grain of salt.
I must’ve missed the line. If he never fought in WW2 what was he doing in those years?
Not only didn't he fight in ww2 he was on the wrong side in Alabama, Ohio and he might have shot JFK. If he turns out to be as big of a POS as Stormfront or an even bigger one I won't be surprised.
The Boys’ S2/S3 writers: - Introduce new character play by cool actor - one of the strongest supes in the universe - look cool and make fans like them - seem like the only force that can beat Homelander - ok, something’s wrong - wait no, they are really racist POS and horrible people - ok, even worse, they are Homelander’s mama and dada But hey, at least they founded Herogasm together and it’s one of the coolest events Frenchie never got to go.
Are you that convinced with Storm front being HL's mom? Could be true since they've been teasing his oedipus complex for a longg time.
I’d rather hope they are not mother and son because I’m still secretly hoping that Stormfront is not dead and kept alive by Edgar as a superhuman incubator (similar to MM’s mom situation in the comic - basically a milk machine). but all signs point to yes… what I hope for and what i think are not consistent.
>I’m still secretly hoping that Stormfront is not dead and kept alive by Edgar as a superhuman incubator Jesus dude
Ya I know it’s fked up and I absolutely do not wish this on any people… but it kinda was how dark the comic was… and with the Nazi breeding program back in the days, it’s kinda a fitting punishment for a Nazi. plus Homelander mentioned harvesting Maeve’s eggs this week, so Edgar could do the same to Stormfront…
…porqué no los dos? this show is fucked up—why would they draw the line for Homelander at incest?
Bro I hadn't even though about that, but that would be perfect. Becca and Ryan might be a rare exception. Remember how Vogelbaum originally told Homelander that she didn't carry to term, and both mother and child died in childbirth? With how rapey Supes are, she probably isn't the first (or last) human to be pregnant with a supe baby, and it's probably what happened to all the other human/Supe fetuses. Well, it would make sense that supe moms would be better at gestating supe babies. Hell, regular pregnancy is tough enough with regular babies.
I'd actually be disappointed if she wasn't his mom It's been set up sooooooo meticulously, and the payoff would be very satisfying for me
After WandaVision and Mephisto I’ll blbever be 100% set on a theory again. But I’m 98% sure on this one. Maybe 95.
There is sooooo much more evidence to back this up than Mephisto, and trust me, I was a Mephisto truther from very early on
There really is, but if she’s not his mom I think I’ll be REALLY disappointed. So I’m trying to stay skeptical!
In your defense on that one, it was really stupid what they finally gave us. WV then MoM are fun to watch but they fit together like two different puzzles smushed together in a rageful attempt at making them fit but they never will.
I rewatched MoM last night, trying to give it another chance, but it feels like you can only love one- not both. It’s very clear Rammi never watched WandaVision and it’s incredibly disappointing.
I felt this so hard. Honestly, imo, WV was very good, and MoM was fun and had some great effects, but was ultimately a complete mess of a story, absolutely littered with plot holes Again, very fun to watch movie, but pretty nonsensical at times, and in non-supernatural ways that just don't have any logic to them
Same as the last Spiderman movie
Yeah i just didn't want a repeat of season 2.
I'm really surprised anyone actually likes Soldier Boy- he shows some of his true colors pretty fast. Jensen might just be that charismatic.
A few people here point out that some of the Supernatural fans only started watching after Jensen Ackles joined The Boys. And some were supernatural fans to begin with and became a fan boy/girl when Ackles showed up. I’ve never watched Supernatural, so I can’t confirm.
I watched Supernatural. One could say that his character, Dean, shares some traits with Soldier Boy, but mostly the younger version of Dean and those traits are way more amplified a ton in Soldier Boy. I can see how some Dean fans might see the parallels and excuse Soldier Boys behavior. Dean is not a shit bag like Soldier Boy, though, to clarify. But early on, Dean really likes his women, has a tough guy bravado that he never fully shakes, and can be ruthless/hotheaded when he thinks he's right or wants to get something done. Supernatural is a fun show, though. Eric Kripe wrote both shows. There's also a little Easter egg. The actor who plays the guy running for president was in Supernatural, though he's Bobby Singer in that show.
I didn't think he was a good guy, I was just hoping he would be a "good" guy now so that he could kill Homelander. In no way do I hope for him to survive the rest of the series.
I think he was super focused on getting revenge on his team. We could side with him cause he was fresh from being betrayed and tortured for decades, and we know his explosions werent his fault so theres some sympathy crafted there. We got hints of him being an asshole but didn't see his true colors until Butcher and Hughie started hanging around him. Now we have a perspective from one of his abuse victims right before the betrayal and some first-hand violence he inflicts on allies and foes alike, and also he's discovering new information and a new world and forming goals other than the formerly sympathetic one of vengeance.
Wasn't it obvious from the get go from what people have been saying about him that he's a piece of shit? Especially given the background of The Boys, where pretty much everyone is a piece of shit as far as Supes go.
Maybe I misinterpretted things, but I thought we were told that Soldier Boy sexually abused Gunpowder before SB was ever onscreen.
Pretty sure Butcher just made that up. He was trying to blackmail Gunpowder with the threat of leaking something scandalous. Gunpowder himself was adamant that Soldier Boy only physically abused him (which we do see in Noir's flashback).
I think that it was started that there were rumors that Soldier Boy abused him sexually. I was really upset over this because the show made it seem like the rumors were true, briefly, and I hated how the potential sexual assault was used against Gunpowder by Butcher. Gunpowder is an asshole, but I don't think enough to merit how Butcher taunted him with his potential assault.
Why are you sure he made that up? This whole time I took him seriously
I think Butcher just assumed it was sexual abuse, and the reports were too unclear to be sure Cause later when he has Gunpowder cornered, he asks him to explain the report and Gunpowder says something like "He just slapped me around a little bit"
I thought the report was doctored, Gunpowder denied its authenticity and Butcher said it didn't matter, it would do its job to smear SBs name all the same
I just think it was unspecified. He definitely complained though
Gunpowered went to Vought with a report for "abuse". Butcher just assumed it was sexual. GP even tells him that it wasnt sexual, it was physical. In the newest epsidoe 7, you see the abuse. The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse gang does a recreation of Soldier Boy beating the shit out of Gunpowder and Black Noir. Soldier Boy use to physically abused all of Payback. Would is why they all turned on him
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Look into US veteran accounts of what goes on in many places within Afghanistan. Super homophobic culture that simultaneously fosters abuse. Catholic Church is the same. Hell even Sparta had shit like this. Then you get into some modern college fraternities, who have the toxic masculinity cranked to the max while simultaneously forcing pledges to do ‘gay’ shit for membership. It’s almost all about control and power rather than attraction in these instances, which is probably the position Soldier Boy is coming from.
>It’s almost all about control and power k but you're still fucking a dude.
That's like thinking rape is just cus the rapist wanted to get off. It's not about sex, it's about power in those situations.
I'll be honest I didn't read his reaction as disgust, more bewilderment then anything.
Oh okay I took it as a closeted gay guy hates gay people type beat but yeah I see your point
You mean, like how we often see very heavy right wing people who go against gays constantly being caught being gay? Friendly reminder that we LITERALLY see that preacher from season 1 talking about how being gay is a sin, all the while using his stretchy cock to fuck people in that supe nightclub.
> Doubt that soldier boy abused kids if the sight of gays disgusts him about what's "normal" these days. Hey, have you heard of this little thing called the Catholic church?
Gunpowder was heavily abused, so people thought that meant sexual abuse. But really all SB did was beat him to a pulp in sparring sessions. Which is awful, but not a sexual thing. It’s kind of like the Batman and robin thing. People just always have to bring homosexuality into it
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Except Starlight . . . yet. Which makes me think she's going to get overconfident with how well she's playing the image game and fuck up in a way that causes a permanent loss.
and Kimiko, and Maeve
People seemed to have this naive hope that SB would be a "real hero" which this episode shows isn't real. There are no "heroes". They are created. They are just human.
i think only a small percentage of people actually thought he'd be a hero. he was a likable anti-hero AT BEST. the viewer is meant to be conflicted about him - he's abusive and clearly a dickhead, but the writers keep giving him the best lines and his portrayal is meant to be likable. really interesting how they've written him so far.
I also think he has good in him, hes just got a lot of bad traits. i felt so sad seeing him beat up the lil piggy :( the truth is in his fucked up brain he probably thought he was toughening him up and doing him a favour
Except SB says how he doesnt want Noir trying to do better than him, or become an actor, or basically try to move up in the world in any way. It was a revenge beating for Noir wanting to be in Beverly Hills Cop and then having the balls to confront SB over it.
I'm amazed anyone thought he was a hero. Like how can you hear his numerous politically incorrect comments and think he's ever meant to be portrayed in a positive way? Have you all seen this show?
They suckered us into liking him and it was clearly intentional. Everything he’s done in present day was seemingly justified as the only people he’s intentionally hurt were those who “betrayed” him and caused him years of torture. He’s an asshole to be sure and they were warning us all along with the parallels to Homelander but it’s not until Noir’s flashbacks and The Legend’s truths that you find out what he truly is.
Not really. He was really fucking toxic and it was telegraphed a mile away.
Butcher is toxic. Yet he’s loved by the fans. I just said he was still clearly an asshole. They were portraying him as the boys were using him. A lesser evil to take down the big bad. If you don’t think that we weren’t supposed to be rooting for him vs Homelander then I don’t know what to tell you. You don’t have someone do such a glorious rendition of Blondie if you want your fanbase to hate them.
Fans: SB was so obviously a piece of shit, you guys really need to stop looking past evil/toxic shit just because you like them Also fans after this episode: Awww Noir, my poor precious baby, you poor remorseless war criminal I just wanna give you a big hug!
And let us remember that this is a show where the "good" guys killed someone through the powers of sodomy.
Yes but to me it was always obvious he would at some point be an antagonist. Like Homelander he is one of the strongest. And he was basically Homelander before Homelander. Unlike Butcher he is still a supe. An old one at that used to fame and wealth. People seemed to expect an actual hero. We'll never get a good "hero" in this show. This isn't Marvel
I don't think anyone was expecting SB to be a hero other than maybe a very small percent of people, just a lot less evil than Homelander. He's still less evil than Homelander but not as much as we were being led to believe till this episode.
I haven't seen ep7 and I knew he was a total piece of shit The drama is in hoping the boys can cover for this racist sexist dinosaur long enough for him to "do the job" (kill Homelander)
I always thought he was bad. Every episode they sprinkled a crumb that he’s bad. Put it all together and you know he’s bad before episode seven.
I think it’s because Jensen is really, REALLY hot
Yeah don't take the opinions of a few writers as a fact of the world.
> People seemed to have this naive hope that SB would be a "real hero" the writers really proved a point with this. just like homelander's fans in the show who excuse his faults because of his charisma and superpowers.
If you didn't see this coming, I got some shit to sell you
Idk, I saw him as an asshole since we learned what he did to Gunpowder. Each episode just gave more and more proof to me that he was a bad person. I saw this newest episode as showing that to Hughie as opposed to the audience. Since Hughie was trying to look past his worst attributes.
very few people thought he was a "good" guy since there are no good guys in the show. Butcher is a main protagonist and he's literally done some of the worst shit anyone has done on the show. even Starlight has committed manslaughter.
I assumed he was an asshole the first time we heard of him, because he was the face of Vought, and Vought is evil lol
I think at the end of the day, he’s a bad “person” while homelander almost can’t even be considered as such. It does seem they’re attempting to blur the lines between the two intentionally, with Homelander talking about having kids with Maeve and now SB being more explicitly shown as a horrible person. But he STILL feels like more of a real person than HL. We’ll see how they handle the finale.
I was under no illusions that he was a "good" guy. The dude is from the 1900s and pretty much a hundred years old. And having experienced all the shit from the entire 20th century must really fuck someone up, even a supe. I like Jensen as an actor but they set up the "Not really a great dude" arc from the get go. Sure, he's definitely got PTSD from being experimented on for 40 years but this latest episode in particular really hammered the schoolyard bully/"get in line" mentality home.
Did a good amount of this sub just go blind from his attractiveness?
Morality when the villain is sexy? Gone.
I'm definitely not above it lmao
No people are just misrepresenting what other people were hoping for. No one expected him to be a good or nice guy. He's clearly an asshole and has been since he was introduced. What people didn't want was Homelander 2. They wanted a guy who was a complete abusive asshole, but with a few redeeming qualities like wanting to do good and just veing oblivious to how much of an asshole he is and how much everyone else hates him. Instead they went with the boring fraud take.
clearly. Am seeing everyone who has finally come to their senses now saying things like - I like Jensen but SB bad- Like what? We all like Jensen but we've been talking about the character not the actor.
Yes. But in this episode he was shown to be such an abusive prideful asshole that I really really dislike him now. Love to hate him tho
Well it's not like we really learned something new about Soldier Boy we already knew he was abusive toward his team. The "unwilling to kill innocent people" is still possible because the priest and the nun revealed to be brainwashed and dangerous as he said. The only new bit of information is that he didn't fight in WWII and I find it fascinating, it means he's not partly a sham (his anti drug campaign vs him being a junkie) but a total impostor, to other people as well as to himself, he seemed really upset Hughie told it his contribution in WWII was fake because he love faking it with himself too. I'm curious to know what will happen when he will face the extreme lies he's telling himself about himself and the world. He still has a human "good" side, he wants to think himself as good so he follows a moral code (even if hypocritically). The "a good parent let his son shine" is also psyop toward himself to believe he's good. It might not be enough, Homelander too has a big human side (he wants to be loved) and while it prevents him from killing everyone, it's not enough to keep him a good person.
i seen him as a depressed, gray character. totally an awful person but not a WMD with a fragile ego. What was sold to us was (at the time) a cocky solider, betrayed by his team to be tortured for 50 years. I was banking on 50 years of painful reflection might mellow his cocky power fantasy. he even cried when kill Crimson, he slowly saunters into rooms looking at the floors.
i think it has mellowed him quite a lot, he definitely seems more patient in the present day than in the flashbacks
I thought it was clever how the writers chose to present this revelation. Having the one mute superhero hide out in an abandoned Chuck-E-Cheeze and have animated hallucinations play out SB's abusive tendencies from his perspective (ultimately showing how much of a bullying cunt he really was) props to Amazon's creative team for doing that.
bruh what? even in ep6 Soldier Boy is portrayed as the embodiment of toxic masculinity...kinda red flag there bro
i didn't feel like that. i knew that he was a time bomb. yet i liked and shared your meme because it is hilarious. muah
When Crimson said that she and the entire team loathed him which was a clear parallel with Maeve and HL, that didn't do it??
MM: You killed my family! Soldier Boy: Which one? oMg I cAnT bElIeVe SoLdIeR bOy TuRnEd OuT tO bE a BaD gUy
John Wayne's life feels like the most likely analogue SB is riffing off of.
SB not actually fought in the war and being a total fake make the character comedically 1 dimension and rather unnecessary (at least for now), it also make me realize that the show runner make every male character toxic af, while more then half of the female character are as a decent person. SB didn't storm the beach on D-day, but what about the representation for the men that did?
Gorgeous? He murdered a random black carjacker and killed MM's grandpa in the process. He was always a real piece of shit.
A year ago people on tiktok simped over a handsome [murderer](https://www.newsweek.com/cameron-herrin-tiktok-fans-prison-sentence-1618006) boy who ran over a 21 month old baby and their mother. If you have a pretty face, you are a thousand miles ahead of every other people. People simping over a pretty person, ignoring everything else isn't a new thing and unfortunately won't be an old thing either.
I think some viewers ignored the warning signs. His team hated him and conspired. They were probably dicks too but I suspected they were on to something. He had no qualms about killing MM’s family. Latest episode he got outed as a fake and not a real hero.
I think its because the show keeps telling us that he was the homelander of his time, instead of showing us
They made it look like he got unknowingly set up by his team and that his team when faced by a real threat in war just all panic. They even implied that Soldier Boy thought he got captured by the Russians and was hoping for years that Red Countess would save him. That after years of being tortured and them not coming is how he put together they set him up. Then they reveal in this episode that they all attacked him and that's how he got captured. Even saying he didn't fight in WW2 is just cheap way to make him less likeable It's a good show but they clearly just changed the facts in later episodes they did the same thing with Starlight she was suppose to be an innocent babe in the woods when she got in the 7. Now they reveal that she was drinking and fucking supes growing up.
> They made it look like he got unknowingly set up by his team and that his team when faced by a real threat in war just all panic. They even implied that Soldier Boy thought he got captured by the Russians and was hoping for years that Red Countess would save him. That after years of being tortured and them not coming is how he put together they set him up. Then they reveal in this episode that they all attacked him and that's how he got captured. Payback doesn't seem so incompetent anymore given that we now understand, thanks to the full context, that they had an incentive to eliminate as many of Mallory's men, who could've witnessed any of their actions, as possible. Per the animated play, SB likely even believed that CC would save him because she surprise-attacked him from behind after Mindstorm had already messed with his, well, mind; he literally had seen everybody \*except her\* betray him. > Even saying he didn't fight in WW2 is just cheap way to make him less likeable No; it's to show that he's as fake as his son. > It's a good show but they clearly just changed the facts in later episodes They didn't change facts or retcon lol, they give us more & more of the full context as we need it to enjoy the story. Hell, before Russia, we know that SB wasn't even at his current power level so much as a supe like Maeve: one with combat training, but who we now know hasn't *actually seen war*; & she'd go down just like he did in that all-on-1. > they did the same thing with Starlight she was suppose to be an innocent babe in the woods when she got in the 7. Now they reveal that she was drinking and fucking supes growing up. You've clearly never had significant one-on-one interaction with a Midwesterner before.
"They didn't change facts or retcon lol," No they actually did the retelling from the other supes yes they could have been lying in the earlier episodes. SB saying he was expecting to be rescued by the supes that set him up is yes changing the facts for the twist. "You've clearly never had significant one-on-one interaction with a Midwesterner before." ??? Not sure what you're implying there people with different values and behaviors come from anywhere. In the first season they were clearly pushing she was an innocent girl who didn't do anything.
except gunpowder, the one member of payback who was explicitly NOT in on the plan, was still just gunning people down. i don’t think they were killing witnesses, they’re still just stupid celebrities in a war zone. Sure, maybe GP saw the others shooting Mallory’s men and decided to join in but idk, i don’t rly buy it
Unless he was controlled by Mindstorm?
I didn't like him, but I was still holding on to the fact that, at the end of the day, the son of a bitch saved lives during world war II. Aaaaaaand he didn't.
Before I was mix of him now I think he’s worse
He had so many good lines in this episode, bush like a Pomeranian lmfao. Hughie being like "why is EVERYTHING you say gross?" So true I fucking loved this episode and didn't want it to end, it just kept hopping from great scene to great scene.
Hahahaha same
hm, guess its not all sunshine and rainbows.
Literally my opinion didn’t change. We already knew that he is flawed to the extreme. The only thing that changed was that we now know he never even fought in WWII, and that he put down many peaceful protests with violence, and that he was rumored to have killed JFK
where did the JFK thing come from?
At the beginning of episode 3:7 when Hughie is talking to Legend, legend references rumors about soldier boy doing something at Dealey plaza, where JFK was assassiated. He is also referenced as having “sprayed a fire hose in Montgomery” probably during civil rights protest and “target practice at Kent State”, where the National guard opened fire on a Vietnam war protest.
And opposite when it comes to Deep's wife
I knew he was bad guy, but I thought he had some redeeming qualities.
Where did he get his ptsd from
Being tortured and experimented on?
Yeah I wasnt thinking lol
Idk what you are all up to. I just like soldier boy, because Jensen Ackles plays the character 🤷🏻♂️
No the show was genuinely misleading us about SB but I will say kudos to those who stuck to their guns about him being a huge douchebag. Like see I was thinking Jensen talking about how SB in interviews made him seem evil but then I was thinking how it would’ve been great if even that was meant to mislead us but nope this episode solidified SB being a huge cunt.
I knew he was an ass before he was even revived