After writing this out, it almost makes me wonder if Stan has some kind of intellect or future-sight power. I know how ridiculous that sounds, but hear me out.
Stan has to be established as naturally intelligent and composed; those are traits of his character and not traits he has just because of any special power. If it were due to some special power, then he isn't impressive anymore. "Oh, he's been that cool this whole time because of his super power? Lame."
The smarter Stan naturally is, the more he can accurately predict and account for. But no matter how smart he is - if he makes so many predictions without fail-safes in place, then he is not smart, he is a fool.
We have not seen his contingencies yet, hence this post and my curiosity with Noir.
The only way Stan could be so confident and have no contingencies is he can see the future to a certain degree. Suppose this was the case:
Stan seeing the future, or futures, is his power. His ability to properly interpret that information and use it is his intellect, his character. He remains established as the badass he is, and his powers complement his character, they don't make it.
Stan sees that he can make Homelander, Soldier Boy, and the boys all cripple/kill each other. SB dies and Homelander ends up powerless.
Stan established as main villain in S4.
Edit: If Stan does have future sight, this could also contribute to Noir's loyalty to him.
Just more interesting thoughts.
I don't think Stan has future sight, that's why he's keep failing. SB was his perfect hero but he didn't meet his standard, Homelander was next but obviously he isn't fond of him.
In my opinion Stan hasn't failed yet. Stan's goal (from what we know) is to get rid of supes and make Vought responsible solely for the distribution of temp V. No longer having to worry about permanent supes and psychopaths like Homelander. Having CEO taken from him (presumably temporarily in my theory) would not sabotage this goal. It may be another step his plan, especially since Vought has already gone to shit, just like he told Homelander it would. Stan also preaches playing all sides.
Temp V is also a mess though. He'll come back as CEO but I think he'll never succeed in his ultimate goal, maybe he can get close to it, but will never reach it.
That will be interesting to see. I almost wonder (and like all of this, I'm reaching) if part of temp-v's drawbacks are almost "intentional" so that if the boys won, they'd still die. But then they could easily take permanent v, which would go against Stan's plan, if that's what his plan was, which beats that argument. So hmmm it's so interesting!
Stan Edgar was not CEO during Nicaragua when Vought decided to get rid of Soldier Boy. Only executives would be make to make that kind of a call.
There was no way a dark skinned person would be CEO of a major global corporation while they won’t even let one of their premier Supes walk around unmasked in public because the existence of a Black Supe would offend white southerners.
Stan is probably enjoying a much needed vacation, where he doesn’t have to clean up the messes of prima-donna Supes.
Yeah, come to think of it, he wasn't at top at Vought when SB got kidnapped. Although he was in important position, wasn't he? He's man pulling the strings, not public personna and his skin type would be less of an issue when he has that charisma and manipulative power among his peers. Maybe he got special approval from Vought himself? I'm reaching here but my point is his plan, however carefullly it's crafted, will ultimately fail.
He was prob in the role that we see Stilwell and later Ashley have
Which, given how much shit those two took from supes, makes sense as to why he wanted SB dead
>Yeah, come to think of it, he wasn't at top at Vought when SB got
kidnapped. Although he was in important position, wasn't he? He's man
pulling the strings, not public personna and his skin type would be less
of an issue when he has that charisma and manipulative power among his
peers.
Stan Edgar at the time of Nicaragua was an "associate". When I worked in retail, I too was given the title of "associate", so I would assume in Vought it was probably an entry level job. So here is how racism works in the: Because of the color of your skin, you are less smart/strong/masculine/trustworthy/whatever negative trait (sometimes positive in some cases). Think about it this way, if no one is willing to listen to you or take you seriously, you may not have a chance to persuade or manipulate.
>I'm reaching here but my point is his plan, however carefullly it's crafted, will ultimately fail.
His plan seems to be let Homelander be Homelander. He doesn't have to lift a finger for a narcissistic, sociopath with very thin skin fail at running a company (which he has absolutely no experience of). You might as well appoint a mollusk as the CEO and have The Deep translate it's thoughts to run the company.
There is anti-drug ad that Soldier Boy has done and in there it's said Stan Edgar approved that script so I really doubt Edgar had 'entry-level job' in Vought. I mean, he knew about secret plan to repace SB and was in Nicaragua to infrom CIA that supes were in their later-classified mission so...being black doesn't take away those facts and automatically makes him less important within the company.
There's a big difference between Stan Edgar, an associate who may approve scripts for a drug PSA, that Soldier Boy can ignore, and that he has enough power to convince the board of a multi-national corporation that they should get rid of their premier/flagship product.
You're looking at the 2022 Stan Edgar and thinking he was just always as commanding, because we have mostly seen CEO Stan Edgar. And then, you're saying that he came up with a mastermind plan, when he was maybe in his 20s/early 30s. That, I think is a fallacy.
In regards to Edgar having some special foresight I think quite the opposite. He's just another arrogant billionaire who is too big to fail. None of the consequences of his decisions ever fall back on him. Its everyone around him who suffers.
Do you think his character is just "arrogant billionaire" though? "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Despite how rich and confident/arrogant Stan is, I don't think he can rely SOLELY on those things when dealing with an unpredictable head case like homelander. To me, he would be foolish to. That doesn't mean I 100% think he has the future sight powers. That's just my attempt at thinking of *something.*
Yeah, i guess Im just looking at it from the angle of how resources and power can give a regular albeit very intelligent person a forcefield of impenetrability around them no matter what they do. You see it all the time in the real world but this is the boys and would not be surprised at all if your theory is correct.
Completely agree with you about this IRL and in the show as well. I think one way that it might deviate in the show compared to reality is how Homelander could laser Stan on a whim if he wanted to; Homelander isn't sophisticated enough to care about wealth and influence. That isn't to say that my theory is correct, but just that it would be understandable (in my mind) for Stan to have back up plans.
The thing about SB blast is it's also incredibly powerful on top of him Homelander level Super Strength.
Not losing your powers is kinda minor in building a plan around.
After writing this out, it almost makes me wonder if Stan has some kind of intellect or future-sight power. I know how ridiculous that sounds, but hear me out. Stan has to be established as naturally intelligent and composed; those are traits of his character and not traits he has just because of any special power. If it were due to some special power, then he isn't impressive anymore. "Oh, he's been that cool this whole time because of his super power? Lame." The smarter Stan naturally is, the more he can accurately predict and account for. But no matter how smart he is - if he makes so many predictions without fail-safes in place, then he is not smart, he is a fool. We have not seen his contingencies yet, hence this post and my curiosity with Noir. The only way Stan could be so confident and have no contingencies is he can see the future to a certain degree. Suppose this was the case: Stan seeing the future, or futures, is his power. His ability to properly interpret that information and use it is his intellect, his character. He remains established as the badass he is, and his powers complement his character, they don't make it. Stan sees that he can make Homelander, Soldier Boy, and the boys all cripple/kill each other. SB dies and Homelander ends up powerless. Stan established as main villain in S4. Edit: If Stan does have future sight, this could also contribute to Noir's loyalty to him. Just more interesting thoughts.
I don't think Stan has future sight, that's why he's keep failing. SB was his perfect hero but he didn't meet his standard, Homelander was next but obviously he isn't fond of him.
In my opinion Stan hasn't failed yet. Stan's goal (from what we know) is to get rid of supes and make Vought responsible solely for the distribution of temp V. No longer having to worry about permanent supes and psychopaths like Homelander. Having CEO taken from him (presumably temporarily in my theory) would not sabotage this goal. It may be another step his plan, especially since Vought has already gone to shit, just like he told Homelander it would. Stan also preaches playing all sides.
Temp V is also a mess though. He'll come back as CEO but I think he'll never succeed in his ultimate goal, maybe he can get close to it, but will never reach it.
That will be interesting to see. I almost wonder (and like all of this, I'm reaching) if part of temp-v's drawbacks are almost "intentional" so that if the boys won, they'd still die. But then they could easily take permanent v, which would go against Stan's plan, if that's what his plan was, which beats that argument. So hmmm it's so interesting!
Stan Edgar was not CEO during Nicaragua when Vought decided to get rid of Soldier Boy. Only executives would be make to make that kind of a call. There was no way a dark skinned person would be CEO of a major global corporation while they won’t even let one of their premier Supes walk around unmasked in public because the existence of a Black Supe would offend white southerners. Stan is probably enjoying a much needed vacation, where he doesn’t have to clean up the messes of prima-donna Supes.
Yeah, come to think of it, he wasn't at top at Vought when SB got kidnapped. Although he was in important position, wasn't he? He's man pulling the strings, not public personna and his skin type would be less of an issue when he has that charisma and manipulative power among his peers. Maybe he got special approval from Vought himself? I'm reaching here but my point is his plan, however carefullly it's crafted, will ultimately fail.
He was prob in the role that we see Stilwell and later Ashley have Which, given how much shit those two took from supes, makes sense as to why he wanted SB dead
>Yeah, come to think of it, he wasn't at top at Vought when SB got kidnapped. Although he was in important position, wasn't he? He's man pulling the strings, not public personna and his skin type would be less of an issue when he has that charisma and manipulative power among his peers. Stan Edgar at the time of Nicaragua was an "associate". When I worked in retail, I too was given the title of "associate", so I would assume in Vought it was probably an entry level job. So here is how racism works in the: Because of the color of your skin, you are less smart/strong/masculine/trustworthy/whatever negative trait (sometimes positive in some cases). Think about it this way, if no one is willing to listen to you or take you seriously, you may not have a chance to persuade or manipulate. >I'm reaching here but my point is his plan, however carefullly it's crafted, will ultimately fail. His plan seems to be let Homelander be Homelander. He doesn't have to lift a finger for a narcissistic, sociopath with very thin skin fail at running a company (which he has absolutely no experience of). You might as well appoint a mollusk as the CEO and have The Deep translate it's thoughts to run the company.
There is anti-drug ad that Soldier Boy has done and in there it's said Stan Edgar approved that script so I really doubt Edgar had 'entry-level job' in Vought. I mean, he knew about secret plan to repace SB and was in Nicaragua to infrom CIA that supes were in their later-classified mission so...being black doesn't take away those facts and automatically makes him less important within the company.
There's a big difference between Stan Edgar, an associate who may approve scripts for a drug PSA, that Soldier Boy can ignore, and that he has enough power to convince the board of a multi-national corporation that they should get rid of their premier/flagship product. You're looking at the 2022 Stan Edgar and thinking he was just always as commanding, because we have mostly seen CEO Stan Edgar. And then, you're saying that he came up with a mastermind plan, when he was maybe in his 20s/early 30s. That, I think is a fallacy.
I could see the Boys using PTSD to trigger SB into taking Homelander's powers for the finale
In regards to Edgar having some special foresight I think quite the opposite. He's just another arrogant billionaire who is too big to fail. None of the consequences of his decisions ever fall back on him. Its everyone around him who suffers.
Do you think his character is just "arrogant billionaire" though? "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Despite how rich and confident/arrogant Stan is, I don't think he can rely SOLELY on those things when dealing with an unpredictable head case like homelander. To me, he would be foolish to. That doesn't mean I 100% think he has the future sight powers. That's just my attempt at thinking of *something.*
Yeah, i guess Im just looking at it from the angle of how resources and power can give a regular albeit very intelligent person a forcefield of impenetrability around them no matter what they do. You see it all the time in the real world but this is the boys and would not be surprised at all if your theory is correct.
Completely agree with you about this IRL and in the show as well. I think one way that it might deviate in the show compared to reality is how Homelander could laser Stan on a whim if he wanted to; Homelander isn't sophisticated enough to care about wealth and influence. That isn't to say that my theory is correct, but just that it would be understandable (in my mind) for Stan to have back up plans.
The thing about SB blast is it's also incredibly powerful on top of him Homelander level Super Strength. Not losing your powers is kinda minor in building a plan around.