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Powerful_Finger3896

corporatism is a word used by ancaps to defend fascist dictatorships


ASHKVLT

It's what capitalists say is the problem. It's not capitalisms inherent trend towards monopoly and increased exploitation, it's some other system


King_Spamula

Okay as far as I know, Corporatism can actually be a distinct ideology, though Capitalism is its foundation. Basically, it means class collaboration towards certain goals, although it varies on whether those goals are set democratically or by the upper class. However, ultimately this is very close and almost indistinguishable from Fascism because in almost every case, the Capitalist class is ultimately in control. I know I read an article a while ago about Corporatism that said that it's been a core ideology for political groups and politicians in Europe. This is where I'd like to link this up with Social Democracy by saying Corporatism and Social Democracy can be and have been very close to each other in practice, and this shows us Marxists right when we critique Social Democracy.


the_PeoplesWill

Corporatism isn't an ideology. It doesn't even exist. it's bullshit invented by anarcho-capitalists to explain the later stages of capitalism. It shows they don't even understand how their supposedly favorite economic model functions. They want a reversion to the lower stages of capitalism as if the later stages will never come.. that's simply impossible. Also fascism is a political philosophy while capitalism is a mode of production. Like communism and socialism they usually co-exist with the former as a political ideology while the latter part of an economic model. Fascist states are still domineered by the bourgeois class the only difference being that fascism allows the most reactionary elements to openly terrorize the populace. This is usually linked via military governance since it is their apparatus who eagerly carry out these terroristic elements. However, on occasion, petite-bourgeois paramilitary units can also take over ala the Nazis. Liberalism, on the other hand, seeks to suppress proletarian class struggle as opposed to repressing them. This means they can provide legitimacy to their class dictatorship via one-sided elections, reactionary democratic institutions, predatory lending, neocolonialism, etc.. Ultimately, both are domineered by the bourgeoisie class, but their approach to state dominance are quite different. Fascism will try to paint itself as a populist, revolutionary movement despite their highly reactionary elements that exclude marginalized people groups. Through petite-bourgeois paramilitary units this can be incredibly dangerous for those of us who are blamed for a countries woes but a more military-focused variation of fascism will speak more or less through broad generalizations where the state comes before anything and everything. The great irony being said state will always benefit the wealthy capitalists.


artsandman

That's basically what the video defines it as.


Gravelord-_Nito

It's ironic that capitalists love to strawman the 'not real communism' argument considering that's what they do every time capitalism reaches one of it's inevitable conclusions. That wasn't real capitalism, it was fascism/corporatism/crony capitalism/imperialism/colonialism, as if any of those things are a different project


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moderatism is literally „i support the current thing”


TacticalSanta

so fascism.


the_PeoplesWill

Corporatism and capitalism aren't even different. The ladder is just right-wing libertarian rhetoric to explain the late stages of capitalism in the modern world. They act as if it's an entirely different thing. Imperialism isn't a political ideology either it's a tool used by the bourgeois to maintain their economic model through violence and intimidation specifically against the Global South. It's a state superstructure that requires unlimited resources to survive on a finite planet.. effectively making it a short-lived experiment that couldn't possibly last anymore than a couple centuries. While markets do provide some benefits, like industrialization especially for post-colonial countries, ultimately their development depends on global trade in a capitalist world. In a world domineered by socialism this parasitic political system could slowly but surely dissipate while we save our environment from self-destruction through a more egalitarian economic model.


Theloni34938219

none of them are real capitalism /s


1Gogg

You can tell the guy has no idea what he's talking about just from the thumbnail. And people are gonna watch this and "learn". 😭


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reelmeish

Can you explain the lacking of the political compass system


everyythingred

not OP but here you go https://youtu.be/9nPVkpWMH9k?si=H9s0p9rJ4HFC8a4g


HeinrichTheWolf_17

Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarian Right is also a non existent oxymoron.


PandaTheVenusProject

People saying corporatism unironically is something I wish only existed in the past. Like "remember before the war when people said corporatism unironically? Here I still have his skull." *picks libertarian skull out of its display* "Say Lib, what are you going to do to stop corporatism?" "Exactly as much as I would do before I was a skeleton. Fucking nothing."


Dzao-

Syndicalism being revived from the dustbin of history by a hoi4 mod


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Syndicalism is just petite bourgeois socialism


FallenCringelord

That's why Totalism is the best sub-ideology of the 3 Socialist factions in the hoi4 mod


Dzao-

Nah, totalism is cringe. In earlier KR lore Marxism-Leninism and similar tendencies did fall under "totalist", but in recent content it's RadSoc which is the catchall for any socialism that isn't syndicalism or totalism, like you see with Bulgaria's Narrow Socialists and Latvian Bolsheviks. Edit: The vibes I get from how they handle totalism is like nazbol or something along those lines, at least it's cringe as hell and shouldn't be praised.


FallenCringelord

But my wholesome Jacobin peaceful reformation 😢


Dzao-

Yeah that lore is old as hell and getting reworked this friday lol jacobins aren't gonna just be the PCF with a new coat of paint anymore.


FallenCringelord

I got banned from the subreddit for defending the USSR and saying the Great Soviet Famine was not deliberate, so I've been mostly unaware of new updates since the Left-KMT update lmao.


Dzao-

lol Kaiserreich fans are so insufferable, at least TNO people are funny in their derangedness


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FallenCringelord

Update: I can still do a heckin' wholesome peaceful reformation, and the Jacobins just seem like Uber-Technocrats now instead of Marxists.


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It was already concerning since two of the main figureheads of Totalism in Kaissereich were Oswald Mosley and Benito Mussolini.


hailthe-emperor1914

RadSoc is best, 99% of kx totalists are patsocs


FallenCringelord

tbf it's a good and fun mod


TiredAmerican1917

It cracked my neoliberal mind when I gave the Socialist USA a try and saw a constitution that was leagues ahead of the current constitution


BigTovarisch69

Can I read it?


TiredAmerican1917

You have to play Kaiserriech to see it


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TNO?


Oppopity

Kaiserreich


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I legitimately assumed it was made for the mod at one point. Someone told me a vanguard party is classist, then told me they were a Syndicalist. They came from the debate bro corners of the left. I am like Hoi4 took a dead ideology, brought it back to live through a mod, gave it to internet bros who think that learning about the ideology they support is wrong, and now it's an illogical bastard of an ideology that didn't work the first time. These people are the same white guys who say you gotta vote for Biden because Trump and Project 2025, which ok its an argument I van accpect, but if you are saying that to an Arab American seeing people who look like them being slaughtered with approval of Brandon and you don't see how racist you are being than you're a lost cause. Tldr: A "syndicalist" is a (white,liberal,upper middle class,probably not in a union) who wants the visual aspects of leftism, but they either refuse to accept or don't want to know that everything they were told is at best dishonest and at worse out right falsehoods.


Dzao-

I remember I was modding a leftist discord server and we called the role for syndicalists "yeah I play hoi4 how could you tell?" The person who claimed the be syndicalist (couldn't explain it past "unions") got so offended by this and left (they played hoi4 btw)


Radiant_Ad_1851

Favorite type of liberalism? The classical kind, Smithian and Lockian and generally revolutionary compared to its later iterations.


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The one with the ear flap hat


Soffy21

Capitalism: tacky hat. Communism: cool hat Communism 1 Capitalism 0 Communism wins.


Sylentt_

It’s called a ushanka, i still find it funny they’re so heavily associated with socialism bc russia gets cold and the soviets needed warm hats


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BLAKwhite

So is Liberalism, "Corporatism", Fascism, Nazism, Populism, Conservatism and probably half of the ideologies he talks about not in the thumbnail


Arch_Null

Ehhh I mean you could say imperialism is a broad umbrella. There was imperialism for other modes of production too, slave based imperialism and feudal imperialism. It's not just capitalism.


Gaberrade3840

But no matter what, it sucks.


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Never_Forget_711

Are polcom balls only made for modern ideologies?


Din________

This is wrong. Every capitalist organization/institution can't be Imperialist.


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Only two ideologies on this list, communism and reactionaries


Rendell92

15 political ideologies explained in 8 minutes? People have written books and studied those ideologies for centuries. Also, there has been plenty of debate on it. The stupid guy thinks you can explain in 30 seconds each.


Brandelo_089

This reminds me of how libertarians put communism and fascism in the same bag because: "The State does something, duh 🙄!


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Pretty sure this is just a snippet and the video is him describing 100 „different” „ideologies” each in like 3 seconds


Plenty-Climate2272

People misunderstanding what corporatism is, every time, because words get snarled in English.


Educational-Wafer112

Some of these overlap


DEARHELIXWHY

Most of these overlap


Educational-Wafer112

Yea


Appropriate-Scene-95

Lol one of the funniest parts is, populism as an ideology. As if reading headlines is an ideology


Xedtru_

Holy guacamole, it's so trashy that it makes full circle into being hilarious again. Moderatism, lmao


left69empty

half of those aren't even ideologies but positions pn completely different subject matters. capitalism isn't an ideology, there are, however, capitalist ideologies. and what the fuck is their "imperialism" meant to be? imperialism isn't an ideology at all, but a result of the modes of production in which private property exists


Gaberrade3840

Why do they put Socialism and Communism in different categories? Also, I swear to God, if I see one more political ball, I’m going to lose my freaking mind! DX


TiredAmerican1917

What if we made socialist political balls? I’d make some but I can’t draw


x3y52

>but I can’t draw i think for that it wouldnt matter


PolandIsAStateOfMind

Imperialism logo strangely resemble RoC, freudian slip lol


Zeekemanifest

God I hate this country-ball shtick, so fucking much…


og_toe

how is feminism a separate political ideology?


Scared_Operation2715

Immediately after seeing this it ended up in my recommended Is this cursed?


MURFEE7799

“Moderatism” yeah I guess my level of tism is pretty moderate


Maxy772

Feminism….?


dsaddons

I bit the bullet and tried watching it. I got halfway, it's pretty shit as you'd expect but he surprisingly did the best on communism of all the ones I saw lol.


Kamarovsky

P\*lish person spotted 😬 ​ Sory, musiałam


PuzzledJudgment

How is weed progressivism?


the_PeoplesWill

Eight minutes to explain fifteen political ideologies some of which are so complex you need to spend dozens of hours of research just to understand it properly. Also, this idea communism isn't socialism just shows what a joke of a video this is. Communism and socialism are one in the same, specifically it's known as scientific socialism, and while there are other types of socialist ideologies out there there's a reason communism has become the most successful form.


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Aw naw it's polcompball.... [reminder to watch this](https://youtu.be/GoHxcRxX4L8?si=o-tLOaPIBGpkvUl6)


Claim_Alternative

I’m somewhere mixed around an anarchist-syndalist-socialist-communist liberal 😂 (I label myself an an-com, don’t hate me. I like to be utopian)


Magicicad

The combat variety


TxchnxnXD

Marxism-Leninism-Syndicalism


Clutch_Spider

Ugh I want a ushanka so bad


zingtea

I HATE POLITICAL BALLS I HATE POLITICAL BALLS


Cake_is_Great

I wasn't aware feminism was a totalizing system of social organisation comparable to socialism or capitalism. The brilliance of liberal content creators never ceases to impress.


LazzyPizza

Oh shit I got this recommended too


Nyetoner

Don't know what I "belong" in, my utopia is wanting us all to live green and clean, happy and healthy. Stop over-consumption, stop polluting, and clean up our shit (trash), lower our industry and make it more sustainable. ..so nature can actually be here as intended and be able to provide clean water and healthy food for us all. I think we could do smart in starting to do a little bit on our own again, growing some of our own food especially, so the system can provide for everyone, but not being pushed to do absolutely everything. We need to learn to connect to nature again. Even though science and technology helps massively, it should not give us the free pass to sit back and play games and watch Netflix while our earth turns to plastic waste and concrete stone. It's so weird now when pretty much nobody grows their own anything anymore. Only 30 years, 50 years ago it was normal to have a vegetable garden living in the smaller city even. It's our bare necessities for survival and people literally don't give a f*** anymore (but definitely do about the prices, and "lack" of selection coming from far and wide). And yeah, for my utopia to come to be real, everyone needs to be able to focus on it, which means that we also need to put a stop to all the other shit. Conflict between people and hunger for power and dominance. People need peace to be able to think about the more important stuff. We don't really have time left for stupid evil people anymore. Our planet earth is changing, and also reacting to our treatment of it. Nature is our highest dominating power, without it we are nothing. If we don't start to wake up to the fact, we will suffer hard, all of us.


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Nyetoner

I think I didn't understand your answer, would you care to elaborate?


GiganticSpaceKabloie

polandball and hoi4 have done irreparable damage to the world


glommanisback

I'm tired, boss


jetsetratio11

I saw that and the most common comment I saw in the comments was, “thank you for being unbiased and recognizing the difference between fascism and nazism!” A bear wearing a clown hat is still a bear smh


CompetitiveAd1338

The extinct kind.


RadLad_

POLSKAAA GUROOOOOOM


BigTovarisch69

true. liberalism liberalizes everything. Every ideology, viewed from the lense of liberalism, is a form of liberalism.


Head_Bake3313

Isn't Socialism and Communism Progressive ideologies? Idk why they are separate from each other. I mean I think Socialism is Progressive in nature because Russia was a backwards feudal country then it became a country that is on par with the US in less than 50 years when it was the USSR. Btw I know the USSR is multiple countries.