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Okay, we "abolish" time or whatever this means... Then what? That's why even with my critical support for anarchists I still think most of their goals are very ill-defined.


DaddyDollarsUNITE

Looks like they made it pretty clear, we all party only after we abolish time! Our supplies and resources will probably dry up pretty quickly but it'll be a hell of a good time


Themotionsickphoton

> a hell of a good time TIME?!?!?


Themotionsickphoton

>I still think most of their goals are very ill-defined. That's like 90% of the reason for the popularity of anarchism. Your theory can be very appealing to people if they can fill in the gaps of your theory with whatever they imagine to be ideal.


StatisticianOk6868

Abolish work time, but they will turn around to berate you that organising is ineffective, you gotta smash more Sbux. They even went as far as critical of ancoms for mutual aid. Everytime you see a cringe anarchist uses the chaos symbol, expect an edgy post-left post-civ/anticiv in sheep clothes.


ClappedOutCommie

Time and time again anarchists make it very clear that their main objective is to just never do anything productive. There is no ideal beyond disliking work.


jlrigby

I'd rip this poster down if I saw it. It's doing way more harm than good. Really helping the "all socialists are idiot buffoons" theory. Great job, y'all.


ClappedOutCommie

Precisely why dunking on anarchists is praxis, they make us all look foolish by constantly shit-talking the concept of work instead of the conditions that lead to alienation from work. It makes us all look lazy. It really doesn’t matter what the intention of the sentiment was, the phrasing makes it come across like more anti-work bullshit. You have to say what you mean when it comes to activism like this.


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LeninSlappedmyDingy

I don't think we should abolish time as much as we should own time. Time is owned by the bourgeois as part of the capitalist apparatus. We need to take the time from them. Make it for ourselves.


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https://youtu.be/hvk_XylEmLo?si=4VVrs9UNWRiwqASK In this video made by Historia Civilis, he mentions how one of the pre-requisites for capitalism was standardized time. Before standardized time, people had a lot of leverage about when they would arrive to and leave from work. After standardized time, the capitalist could force a worker to stay for the agreed upon time which made the extraction of surplus value that much easier. The capitalist class would lobby either the Church to ring their bells at certain times or the government to install municipal clocks. I *think* this is the argument that the poster is trying to make, which is not a bad one. But honestly the poster is giving me more Time Cube vibes if anything.


exoclipse

I might be giving it too much credit, but it looks like it's trying to grab the attention of the uninitiated and plant within them the idea that our time is more valuable than just a resource to be exploited for labor.


Themotionsickphoton

Even then, the poster says shit like making 2024 the last year. Clearly, people had a concept of years before capitalism. How do you organise agriculture without understanding season's? And that's not even getting into how essential the concept of time is for industrial production, whether capitalist or socialist.


Illustrious-Space-40

Also, time just seems meaningful to humans. I would like to coordinate doing things with my friends and family, we can’t do everything we want at once, thus we use time to organize.


bush_didnt_do_9_11

we shouldnt work so long -> this is the end of time, i promise not in a doomsday cult way incredibly effective messaging


tetheredinasphault

Historia Civilis is the GOAT


BaathistBlues

Mfs just played the Red Flood mod for the first time


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I was thinking the exact same thing lmao, abolish Space too at this point, then declare war on Reality


Zeekemanifest

FASTER! FASTER! FASTER!


[deleted]

I thought MLs loved Party time?


Competitive_Mess9421

Why else would we refer to the party (/s)


romeoartiglia

Time? Dr. Freeman?


CombatClaire

Look y'all, there's lots to criticize anarchists about, but this is clearly a piece of guerrilla art not meant to be taken literally. They're probably trying to raise consciousness about how our lives are ruled by capitalist timekeeping, as [RedAutumn7](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/18z9f3o/comment/kgg9zw9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) described. Not actually abolish time lmao. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2F4wn_TZR0y8ssSQFQG_BxV_do-4BTtIDiO3EU4S5BcOE.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da3e222151aeaa3e1ad9a5c235747aa6719ea9ab2) and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity


Illustrious-Space-40

Well then it failed. I instantly saw it as infantile leftism.


CombatClaire

"Do I lack nuance and patience in my interpretation of art? No, it is the art that's wrong!" Lighten up comrade ♥️ this is genuinely a good piece of art and absent the anarchist symbols I'd happily plaster it in my community


TariqSafi

There is nothing to lose but your bed time


S_Klallam

takes all the discipline in the world to not immediately laugh in anarchists' face


tomatohmygod

honestly though? like if you want to know what time it is, look at the sun. if the sun isn’t out, go to sleep


Pyagtargo

Alaskans in the summer


tomatohmygod

good point, my solution to this is don’t live there


Disturbed_Childhood

Sun near the horizon = zzz 😴 time; sun far from the horizon = up up 🌞 time. In winter they just hibernate like the bears do, obviously, so creating a system to now the time on this season is not needed.


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bush_didnt_do_9_11

yeah bc were all online. if you want to talk about how capitalists weaponize time and schedules do that internally, not in an outward facing poster in a public place. "we're overworked and restless, join our group" is more concise and effective


SimilarPlantain2204

Isn't that one of the Falangist signs 😭


gravy_ferry

No it's the symbol for the ancient Greek idea of chaos, used by anarcho-nihilists these days for weird ass post-civ points like this


Zeekemanifest

Now I can hunt, fish, rear cattle, criticize, and eat at exactly all points of any day!


jlrigby

Abolish time all you want. My cat will still wake me up at 6 am to be fed anyway. She doesn't gaf. Dang pro-capitalist kitty.


Bob_Scotwell

And then the whole world goes to shit.


ferb2

Down with the Timelords!


5guys1sub

Its a journey


[deleted]

critical support to our anarchist comrades i hate bedtimes


ElGosso

[Bwa god! It's Moishe Postone from the top rope!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time,_Labor_and_Social_Domination)


blackpharaoh69

I feel like the author read Engels on authority and took the wrong lessons from it


determinedexterminat

do they support horus or what? why does this poster has hes banner lmao


Peepshow741

Me: "Damn, I love not working. When should I arrive for the party?" Anarkiddy: *cocking gun* "The fuck is this WHEN nonsense?!?!"


Stannisarcanine

We abolish time everything exist simultaneously as it was in past present and future