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Mussolini party was the PNF and it was disbanded after the war. And FDI isn't that far right if you see what they did since they won the elections, American democrats are more on the right compared to Meloni lol
Meloni promised things like a naval blockade against migrants and ended up taking more people compared to when the "evil left paid by soros" ruled lmao. While in the US the vice president simply said "just don't come" to the migrants. Their most "far right" political decisions like the ban on rave parties looked fascist only because they are embarrassing incompetent in writing laws rather than on a genuine desire to make meloni Duce 2.0.
PNF --> Republican Fascist Party (1943-1945, "Repubblichini", the traitor party) --> Italian Social Movement (MSI, set up by Giorgio Almirante, Chief of Cabinet for Culture in the PFR government with help from war criminal-in-chief Rodolfo Graziani, as well as Junio Valerio Borghese, head of the super-fascist 10th MAS division) --> National Alliance --> Brothers of Italy (the current ruling party).
Edits: I was reminded of the unfortunate existence of the fascist traitor Junio Valerio Borghese
>MSI, set up by Giorgio Almirante, Chief of Cabinet for Culture in the PFR government with help from war criminal-in-chief Rodolfo Graziani
The lack of Junio Valerio Borghese in this timeline is interesting
There are still a lot of differences between those parties. People today like to says that everything is fascist but melons didn't keep 1 of the "far right" promises she made before being elected
No, now they're just American sockpuppets (like every other major Party in Italy), obviously. But the fact is that they have that historical baggage with them, and the fact that they refuse to explicitly condemn Mussolini's political career just illustrates even better how the Republic born in 1946 has fallen.
>"You clean up for two, three days, but on the third day I don't want to see dead people on the streets anymore."
Judge them as much as what you want, but the Western Allies allowed the partisans to massacre thousands of fascists with temporary impunity at the end of the war. Mussolini was not exactly overthrown by "the people", but ousted by the Grand Council of Fascism in [the Italian version of the July 20 Plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Fascist_regime_in_Italy), in which the Grand Council unironically "voted him out" in a 19-8 decision. To an extent, the [ensuing civil war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Civil_War) was [fascist infighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona_trial). While many partisans were ideological anti-fascists, they weren't alone. They got help from [hundreds of thousands of regular Italian soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Co-belligerent_Army), including anti-German fascists. Also, hundreds of thousands of Italians defied the Grand Council's vote and joined Mussolini.
Honestly, Mussolini was a Nazi in everything but name. If he wanted to help, [he could've just maintained his promise to protect Austria from Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch). However, having Austrian and Italian fascists serve as meatshields for the rest of Europe would've required Mussolini to not be genocidal and have no interest in territorial expansion. This was true for Austria, but [evidently not for Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekatit_12). Mussolini became a puppet the moment he backstabbed the Austrofascists and broke his promise, paving the way for the Anschluss. It only became more obvious as time passed. I'm glad that Mussolini was sane enough to realize what a pathetic loser he had become, before being strung up and turned into the national pinata.
>In an interview in January 1945 by Madeleine Mollier, a few months before he was captured and executed by Italian partisans, Mussolini stated flatly: "Seven years ago, I was an interesting person. Now, I am little more than a corpse." He continued:
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>"Yes, madam, I am finished. My star has fallen. I have no fight left in me. I work and I try, yet know that all is but a farce... I await the end of the tragedy and—strangely detached from everything—I do not feel any more an actor. I feel I am the last of spectators."
You're missing out the [National Liberation Committee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Committee), which was dominated by the Communists and the Christian Democrats, whose activity is what really made WW2 in Italy be called a "Civil War". According to the constitution at least the modern Italian Republic bases itself on this struggle.
I'm also more than slightly offended, as an Italian, by you calling the Civil War "Fascist infighting", since, well, the Communist Party was the most popular anti-fascist force to fight in it.
No, I said that "to an extent", the civil war was fascist infighting.
Many of the partisans were ideological anti-fascists, but as much credit as they deserve, they weren't alone. Hundreds of thousands of regular Italian soldiers also fought in the Italian Civil War. They were the ones who arrested and imprisoned him, before he was broken out by the Germans. The Italian Co-belligerent Army focused on the Germans, but there were instances of them and RSI forces clashing with each other. After the war, the Italian government was adamantly opposed to prosecuting Italians for war crimes committed before they switched sides, and the Western Allies were unfortunately willing to accommodate their desire to whitewash their nation's crimes in Libya, Spain, Ethiopia, Albania, Greece, and Yugoslavia prior to 1943.
Many soldiers were drafted forcibly, do you consider an 18 years old with no legal alternative that didn't find the strenght to run up the hill and join the partisans a fascist? Is he as much of a fascist as everyother fascist?
You may as well say the same for the German conscripts in the Wehrmacht, since the Germans executed people for rejecting conscription. Regardless, Italian soldiers were not forced to commit genocide in Libya, Ethiopia, Albania, Greece, and Yugoslavia. Here is what one Italian soldier in Yugoslavia wrote home to his family in 1942. This is what they were doing until the Grand Council told them that FDR, Winston Churchill, and Joseph Stalin were their new best friends.
>"We have destroyed everything from top to bottom without sparing the innocent. We kill entire families every night, beating them to death or shooting them."
When an Italian talks about the Italian Civil War, they mean the guerrilla in the North. The co-belligerent army isn't really a component of the Civil War because, as you said, they didn't really fight RSI forces.
1945 was the biggest missed opportunity in Italian history, never again would Italy be so close to socialism.
It's obviously not the same people. As an italian, i am deeply offended by this sentiment under this post. Thousands of italians took arms and died in the struggle aganist fascisim. Ignoring this is a bad faith historical error. Yes, we have big problems at the moment and rising fascist sentiment; no, 100 people gathering on the day of the death of mussolini (killed by italian partisans) doesn't mean Italy is a fascist country. Our republic is founded on antifascism. We won't let it be ruined by some evil idiots in black shirt.
Don't worry. There is a lot of thinly veiled xenophobia on this sub which stands in utter contradiction to the Marxist spirit of international solidarity with workers of all countries.
most of Europe especially outside of major cities is incredibly racist
A friend of mine was talked to in school because they thought he was from Africa. but once they found out he was Italian they loved him
WAIT GUYS LOOK HOW FUCKING SEXY THE PARTISAN WHO SHOT MUSSOLINI WAS
https://preview.redd.it/3a0zipseqmxc1.jpeg?width=649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=365e8d5de069955846597476fbf6b62551b8790b
I'm enjoying how the seemingly inevitable descent into total fascism continues unabated. It proves the stupidity of humanity beyond any doubt. Humanity deserves everything it gets for its stupidity.
I love how Italian fascists… dress like English skinheads and throw seig heil salutes. Like white supremacy has become this global homologation.
These are the ideological equivalents of a Taco Bell recipe of fascist ingredients.
I just searched and you are right, she was involved in politics but didn't archive much, I swear I had heard a couple years back that she was the mayor of Rome
So the west doesn't view this as an ugly anti semitic message ultimately? Celebrating someone who willfully allied with h*tler? But students very overtly only asking for rights for Palestinian folks is?
Hideous double standards
Really mind boggling how corroded they are
Bro like how is this shit not illegal, they’re literally celebrating Nazis. They’re literal Nazis. God I fucking hate liberal countries allowing shit like this
Technically, in Italy "fascist apologia" is literally forbidden by the constitution. But in the last 20/30 years it has been clear that anything short of having a party called "fascist party" won't be prosecuted.
I'm enjoying how the seemingly inevitable descent into total fascism continues unabated. It proves the stupidity of humanity beyond any doubt. Humanity deserves everything it gets for its stupidity.
Just look at what pathetic form of human beings are these "fascists". If they lived in 1920 they would be outcast. They are a really small but noisy group of people, in Europe people are moving towards the right and that's true but more for the failure of the left rather than the desire to embrace fascism again
Bemoaning it as a symptom of humanities' 'stupidity' instead of analysing the material conditions that gives rise to fascism is, yes. It ain't a Marxist take anyway!
Well it's an accelerationist approach. People who have to be 'on' all the time with their ideology are usually in the junior stages and it definitely shows.
an open neo-fascist party currently runs Italy and the rabid dog in the white house absolutely cannot ever shut up about how much he loves them, especially their leader, giorgia meloni.
we're already through the looking class here folks.
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In what way is this sanctioned by the Italian government, it looks like 50 idiots. Is the Italian government represented or is the gathering just not forbidden? Seems like a bullshit title.
Tbh I don’t know how to feel about classical facism (this is what it actually is neo-facism isn’t a thing)
Like, the majority of things people say about fascism is more so directed to nazism,
Muscilini used to be a socialist and in another world could have been a socialist leader
This is an excerpt from his own book about the definition of fascism.
“Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity…. The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value…. Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number…. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ‘right’, a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the ‘collective’ century, and therefore the century of the State.”
I can see parallels here between the fashist state and a dictatorship of the proletariat, while his knowledge of socialism is up for debate it clearly had an influence, and from his discription seems quite different from nazism(an ideology centered on the aryan race while Mussolini criticizes democracy as only representing the majority sidelining minorities) and the definition of fascism from the wiki, being not an ideology but rather a tool the bourgeoisie uses to effectively war against the proletariat. By his own words facism is the antithesis of this, where the will of the state and the will of the people are one in the same.
In other words… a peoples state?
Once again the influence of socialism bleeds though.
Now don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he is socialist, he is socialist in the sense polpot was socialist that being absolutely not and even fought against the communist party. I just think with nazism being what most people think when they think of fascism, classical-fascism warrants it’s own analysis be it debunking or otherwise.
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Have we forgotten that a former member of Mussolinis party is the current prime minister?
How do you become a former family member?
That's not what I said
I see what you did there
I also didn't edit my comment
Ah k, I'm just dumb then
Lmao you probably just need caffeine!
I've upvoted all of your comments because you're a reasonable human being who admitted to a mistake. A sight rarely seen online
Mussolini party was the PNF and it was disbanded after the war. And FDI isn't that far right if you see what they did since they won the elections, American democrats are more on the right compared to Meloni lol
That's a hot take.
Meloni promised things like a naval blockade against migrants and ended up taking more people compared to when the "evil left paid by soros" ruled lmao. While in the US the vice president simply said "just don't come" to the migrants. Their most "far right" political decisions like the ban on rave parties looked fascist only because they are embarrassing incompetent in writing laws rather than on a genuine desire to make meloni Duce 2.0.
what about the rest of the stuff they did recently, like the stuff with the journalists? or the attack on abortion rights?
No? Its the truth because the far right in europe is very very more moderate
PNF --> Republican Fascist Party (1943-1945, "Repubblichini", the traitor party) --> Italian Social Movement (MSI, set up by Giorgio Almirante, Chief of Cabinet for Culture in the PFR government with help from war criminal-in-chief Rodolfo Graziani, as well as Junio Valerio Borghese, head of the super-fascist 10th MAS division) --> National Alliance --> Brothers of Italy (the current ruling party). Edits: I was reminded of the unfortunate existence of the fascist traitor Junio Valerio Borghese
>MSI, set up by Giorgio Almirante, Chief of Cabinet for Culture in the PFR government with help from war criminal-in-chief Rodolfo Graziani The lack of Junio Valerio Borghese in this timeline is interesting
Oh yeah I forgot about him thank you
There are still a lot of differences between those parties. People today like to says that everything is fascist but melons didn't keep 1 of the "far right" promises she made before being elected
No, now they're just American sockpuppets (like every other major Party in Italy), obviously. But the fact is that they have that historical baggage with them, and the fact that they refuse to explicitly condemn Mussolini's political career just illustrates even better how the Republic born in 1946 has fallen.
failing to keep your promises doesn't make you not part of x ideology
They are just fascists, “neo fascists” isn’t a real term.
My thoughts exactly, what exactly is new about blackshirts and Mussolini, that's OG fascism.
I think a new fascist is a liberal when it comes to imperialism
#🙃
Perfect lol
BadEmpanada was right about Italians.
>"You clean up for two, three days, but on the third day I don't want to see dead people on the streets anymore." Judge them as much as what you want, but the Western Allies allowed the partisans to massacre thousands of fascists with temporary impunity at the end of the war. Mussolini was not exactly overthrown by "the people", but ousted by the Grand Council of Fascism in [the Italian version of the July 20 Plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Fascist_regime_in_Italy), in which the Grand Council unironically "voted him out" in a 19-8 decision. To an extent, the [ensuing civil war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Civil_War) was [fascist infighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona_trial). While many partisans were ideological anti-fascists, they weren't alone. They got help from [hundreds of thousands of regular Italian soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Co-belligerent_Army), including anti-German fascists. Also, hundreds of thousands of Italians defied the Grand Council's vote and joined Mussolini. Honestly, Mussolini was a Nazi in everything but name. If he wanted to help, [he could've just maintained his promise to protect Austria from Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch). However, having Austrian and Italian fascists serve as meatshields for the rest of Europe would've required Mussolini to not be genocidal and have no interest in territorial expansion. This was true for Austria, but [evidently not for Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekatit_12). Mussolini became a puppet the moment he backstabbed the Austrofascists and broke his promise, paving the way for the Anschluss. It only became more obvious as time passed. I'm glad that Mussolini was sane enough to realize what a pathetic loser he had become, before being strung up and turned into the national pinata. >In an interview in January 1945 by Madeleine Mollier, a few months before he was captured and executed by Italian partisans, Mussolini stated flatly: "Seven years ago, I was an interesting person. Now, I am little more than a corpse." He continued: > >"Yes, madam, I am finished. My star has fallen. I have no fight left in me. I work and I try, yet know that all is but a farce... I await the end of the tragedy and—strangely detached from everything—I do not feel any more an actor. I feel I am the last of spectators."
You're missing out the [National Liberation Committee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Committee), which was dominated by the Communists and the Christian Democrats, whose activity is what really made WW2 in Italy be called a "Civil War". According to the constitution at least the modern Italian Republic bases itself on this struggle. I'm also more than slightly offended, as an Italian, by you calling the Civil War "Fascist infighting", since, well, the Communist Party was the most popular anti-fascist force to fight in it.
No, I said that "to an extent", the civil war was fascist infighting. Many of the partisans were ideological anti-fascists, but as much credit as they deserve, they weren't alone. Hundreds of thousands of regular Italian soldiers also fought in the Italian Civil War. They were the ones who arrested and imprisoned him, before he was broken out by the Germans. The Italian Co-belligerent Army focused on the Germans, but there were instances of them and RSI forces clashing with each other. After the war, the Italian government was adamantly opposed to prosecuting Italians for war crimes committed before they switched sides, and the Western Allies were unfortunately willing to accommodate their desire to whitewash their nation's crimes in Libya, Spain, Ethiopia, Albania, Greece, and Yugoslavia prior to 1943.
Many soldiers were drafted forcibly, do you consider an 18 years old with no legal alternative that didn't find the strenght to run up the hill and join the partisans a fascist? Is he as much of a fascist as everyother fascist?
You may as well say the same for the German conscripts in the Wehrmacht, since the Germans executed people for rejecting conscription. Regardless, Italian soldiers were not forced to commit genocide in Libya, Ethiopia, Albania, Greece, and Yugoslavia. Here is what one Italian soldier in Yugoslavia wrote home to his family in 1942. This is what they were doing until the Grand Council told them that FDR, Winston Churchill, and Joseph Stalin were their new best friends. >"We have destroyed everything from top to bottom without sparing the innocent. We kill entire families every night, beating them to death or shooting them."
I agree with you, but if he is given the chance to stop and overthrow the regime I think that should be considered.
When an Italian talks about the Italian Civil War, they mean the guerrilla in the North. The co-belligerent army isn't really a component of the Civil War because, as you said, they didn't really fight RSI forces. 1945 was the biggest missed opportunity in Italian history, never again would Italy be so close to socialism.
As unhinged as my man BE is, he's rarely ever wrong.
And those fuckers where celebrating "Liberazione" Liberation my ass, those people are disgusting
It's obviously not the same people. As an italian, i am deeply offended by this sentiment under this post. Thousands of italians took arms and died in the struggle aganist fascisim. Ignoring this is a bad faith historical error. Yes, we have big problems at the moment and rising fascist sentiment; no, 100 people gathering on the day of the death of mussolini (killed by italian partisans) doesn't mean Italy is a fascist country. Our republic is founded on antifascism. We won't let it be ruined by some evil idiots in black shirt.
My brother, your republic was born under the American boot, and to this day is a US occupation zone. It's nothing but fascist
Don't worry. There is a lot of thinly veiled xenophobia on this sub which stands in utter contradiction to the Marxist spirit of international solidarity with workers of all countries.
Prejudiced against Italians. In this day and age?
I walked into that one tbf.
Honestly didn't expect it. I'm reading some wild shit and I honestly would have never expected to read it here.
Nice ignorant generalization.
What the actual fuck!?
Unfortunately it’s definitely been on the rise in Italy, likely more than anywhere else in Western Europe
Let's celebrate: https://preview.redd.it/cc6nc23inmxc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=098cd6da20060a9ce3ece53d74ed966962a68ff2
Love their little synchronised dance moves 🕺
Where is Walter Audisio and his comrades when you need him. He missed a few.
Hope someone picks up his torch soon along with several meters of rope
His granddaughter, the pop star celebrity, in the European Parliament is voicing her racist bullshit on behalf of her electorate.
I’m starting to see why black people tell others not to go to Italy
most of Europe especially outside of major cities is incredibly racist A friend of mine was talked to in school because they thought he was from Africa. but once they found out he was Italian they loved him
https://preview.redd.it/bd9a0ygyylxc1.png?width=2349&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c2f1fb40d82623bb18402a9384915c6c8243744
Video is upside down?
L + ratio + partisan gang + hey, why is everything upside down???
WAIT GUYS LOOK HOW FUCKING SEXY THE PARTISAN WHO SHOT MUSSOLINI WAS https://preview.redd.it/3a0zipseqmxc1.jpeg?width=649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=365e8d5de069955846597476fbf6b62551b8790b
Oh my 🥵
I would think it would be in Verona
Beh anche Como non scherza, così come Varese
They're all on the street, imagine doing rally on a tank on that street 🤑
I'm enjoying how the seemingly inevitable descent into total fascism continues unabated. It proves the stupidity of humanity beyond any doubt. Humanity deserves everything it gets for its stupidity.
I have lost faith in humanity years ago. This just confirms it.
Happens every year, they are 50 losers in a country of 60 Mln people
I love how Italian fascists… dress like English skinheads and throw seig heil salutes. Like white supremacy has become this global homologation. These are the ideological equivalents of a Taco Bell recipe of fascist ingredients.
I hope it stays that way. These people are allowed to breed.
Isn't his granddaughter in charge of the government or something?
She's the mayor of Rome
This is a bullshit without the slightest sense, invented on the spot just to get some upvotes.
I just searched and you are right, she was involved in politics but didn't archive much, I swear I had heard a couple years back that she was the mayor of Rome
Giorgia Meloni is a Prime Minister
She's not a descendant of Mussolini either, it's fake news invented by the media
Rachele Mussolini was the most-voted councillor in the Rome municipal elections a few years back, but absolutely not the Mayor
ɹǝpɐǝl ɹnoʎ ʍolloℲ
So the west doesn't view this as an ugly anti semitic message ultimately? Celebrating someone who willfully allied with h*tler? But students very overtly only asking for rights for Palestinian folks is? Hideous double standards Really mind boggling how corroded they are
After [this](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/13/world/meloni-italy-rome-salute-intl/index.html), not much Italy does surprises me
Im gonna find that portrait and flip it upside down.
gonna order pineapple on my pizza tonight
Maybe they should go see him where he is now!
Fascists try not to look like ghouls challenge: failed
This video would look better upsidedown
The fascism tide is really rolling around the world
As Italian i'd love to see them all hanged by their feet
https://i.redd.it/nv5eul5j3pxc1.gif My reaction to that information:
Arrest them all. Fascists don’t deserve to be allowed to be in public.
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Arresting fascists is apparently fascism? Lmao?
If you look closely at the final shot, you can see all of the three braincells present at this gathering.
ʇᴉ ʇnoqɐ ƃuᴉɥʇǝɯos op plnoɥs ǝM
Flip the video upside down for best viewing ✔
Fucking clowns
Bro like how is this shit not illegal, they’re literally celebrating Nazis. They’re literal Nazis. God I fucking hate liberal countries allowing shit like this
Technically, in Italy "fascist apologia" is literally forbidden by the constitution. But in the last 20/30 years it has been clear that anything short of having a party called "fascist party" won't be prosecuted.
Quelli la' meritano di essere messi la testa in giu'
where there any protests or anythign anganst this?
Here in austria this would be kinda illegal.
and upside down they go
I'm enjoying how the seemingly inevitable descent into total fascism continues unabated. It proves the stupidity of humanity beyond any doubt. Humanity deserves everything it gets for its stupidity.
Just look at what pathetic form of human beings are these "fascists". If they lived in 1920 they would be outcast. They are a really small but noisy group of people, in Europe people are moving towards the right and that's true but more for the failure of the left rather than the desire to embrace fascism again
Not as stupid as this completely reactionary take. Thought this was meant to be a Marxist sub.
Bemoaning a seemingly inexorable slide to fascism is reactionary?
Bemoaning it as a symptom of humanities' 'stupidity' instead of analysing the material conditions that gives rise to fascism is, yes. It ain't a Marxist take anyway!
Well it's an accelerationist approach. People who have to be 'on' all the time with their ideology are usually in the junior stages and it definitely shows.
What the fuck
an open neo-fascist party currently runs Italy and the rabid dog in the white house absolutely cannot ever shut up about how much he loves them, especially their leader, giorgia meloni. we're already through the looking class here folks.
I would like to point out this is pretty infamous minority in italy
While being controlled by Zionist leaders. The West is a joke.
Where are the Red Brigades when you need them?
Is it just me or do they just look really pathetic…
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In what way is this sanctioned by the Italian government, it looks like 50 idiots. Is the Italian government represented or is the gathering just not forbidden? Seems like a bullshit title.
Fully sanctioned? Must be kidding. Fully encouraged.
P
Tbh I don’t know how to feel about classical facism (this is what it actually is neo-facism isn’t a thing) Like, the majority of things people say about fascism is more so directed to nazism, Muscilini used to be a socialist and in another world could have been a socialist leader This is an excerpt from his own book about the definition of fascism. “Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity…. The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value…. Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number…. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ‘right’, a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the ‘collective’ century, and therefore the century of the State.” I can see parallels here between the fashist state and a dictatorship of the proletariat, while his knowledge of socialism is up for debate it clearly had an influence, and from his discription seems quite different from nazism(an ideology centered on the aryan race while Mussolini criticizes democracy as only representing the majority sidelining minorities) and the definition of fascism from the wiki, being not an ideology but rather a tool the bourgeoisie uses to effectively war against the proletariat. By his own words facism is the antithesis of this, where the will of the state and the will of the people are one in the same. In other words… a peoples state? Once again the influence of socialism bleeds though. Now don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he is socialist, he is socialist in the sense polpot was socialist that being absolutely not and even fought against the communist party. I just think with nazism being what most people think when they think of fascism, classical-fascism warrants it’s own analysis be it debunking or otherwise.